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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey guys, we welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. Today

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Speaker 2: we welcome Ben back from his paternity leave. Wasn't long enough, right, Ben, I.

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Speaker 3: Mean, it fell not long enough for me.

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Speaker 4: But then when I look back on all the great

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Speaker 4: content that you put out here and that you had

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Speaker 4: your guest host help this is a mad then it

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Speaker 4: does feel like a long time. A lot happened. I

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Speaker 4: mean I watched The Bachelor this week and realized the

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Speaker 4: last time I did a Bachelor breakdown with you on

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Speaker 4: the Almost Famous Podcast, I think was like week two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was like twenty girls left, and now we're

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Speaker 2: at hometowns. You missed like the whole boring chunk of

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Speaker 2: the middle that you and I always try to get through,

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Speaker 2: and you joined us in the episode that I always

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Speaker 2: feel like it rams up, which is the one in

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Speaker 2: which we eliminate the girls down to the hometown girls.

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Speaker 4: You're right, You're right. I stuck in at the right moment.

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Speaker 4: You know that's we did this on purpose nine months ago,

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Speaker 4: that we'd say let's have baby at the perfect time.

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Speaker 3: You know what.

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Speaker 2: This is a little side comment about birthing times. I

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Speaker 2: have now had a baby in the summer and a

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Speaker 2: baby in the winter July and January. And if I

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Speaker 2: had to choose, I do like the baby being born

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Speaker 2: in the winter better because it's so much harder to

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Speaker 2: with like well, especially with two, have the bundling, the

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Speaker 2: transferring from the house to the car and the car

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Speaker 2: to like the store and all that when you can't

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Speaker 2: have them bundled up in the car seat. I know,

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Speaker 2: it's so ridiculous. I think you will soon understand what

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about. All I'm saying is that with the

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Speaker 2: newborn phase, it's a cocoon phase, right, So like all

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Speaker 2: you're doing with that baby is sitting in the house

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Speaker 2: and being cozy, and that's a winter thing.

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Speaker 4: We have started family walks, so three days ago we

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Speaker 4: started to do walks around the neighborhood.

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Speaker 3: It will be.

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Speaker 4: It's something that we were doing fairly consistently now. It's

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Speaker 4: fun for Jess, it's fun for our dog, it's fun

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Speaker 4: for Winny. But yes, I agree, we've talked about it.

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Speaker 4: It was nice the week that when he was born,

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Speaker 4: it was like five degrees in Colorados. We just stayed

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Speaker 4: inside and had nothing else to do. It was wonderful.

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Speaker 4: It's weird after like, what are we about? Two weeks

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Speaker 4: into parenthood? Now we kind of feel like we're in

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Speaker 4: the groove, right, let's get her outside. Just just went

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Speaker 4: to the grocery store for the first time today, very

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Speaker 4: nerve wracking experience.

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Speaker 2: Oh she did, but the first time buy her with

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Speaker 2: the baby? No, okay, just by yourself.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're ripping the band aids off of the like

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Speaker 4: new parent freak out mode, and we're trying to figure

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Speaker 4: out slowly but surely not too fast, how to get

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Speaker 4: into life, uh, and how to keep things going. It's

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Speaker 4: been a blast. I'm loving every second of it. And

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Speaker 4: then you know what I found out, and I don't

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Speaker 4: know how you do it.

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Speaker 3: Ashley.

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Speaker 4: Obviously, this week was me catching up with The Bachelor,

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Speaker 4: going back through some episodes, going back through some notes,

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Speaker 4: making sure I was up to speed on everything.

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Speaker 3: Even with a newborn.

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Speaker 5: Finding some time to sit down and watch The Bachelor

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Speaker 5: is not as easy as you would think.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because when you have like your little time,

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Speaker 2: you're like, oh, what am I going to watch? It's like,

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Speaker 2: oh yeah, that's what I have. The Bachelor episode and

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Speaker 2: I have to like study it. Yeah, so, and you

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Speaker 2: need to full attention for the hour and a half.

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Speaker 2: Bravo to also Jess for taking walks at this point,

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Speaker 2: because like, yeah, she's a she got torn apart a

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Speaker 2: little bit and she's back at it. She's she's an

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Speaker 2: athletic girl.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she's got drive.

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Speaker 4: Actually, we are here to talk about The Bachelor today,

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Speaker 4: though this is obviously the week leading into hometowns. When

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Speaker 4: I caught up some episodes, you did have some of

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Speaker 4: these disagreements. You told me just a second ago that

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Speaker 4: this season you thought was kind of the boring parts

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Speaker 4: in the middle. I know that when you and I talked,

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Speaker 4: this wasn't a season that you were ecstatic about, kind

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Speaker 4: of maybe two weeks ago, but you did have Zachary

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Speaker 4: Reality as a co host and a guest. They disagreed

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Speaker 4: with you that this season actually has been really good

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Speaker 4: and has been something.

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Speaker 3: To engage within.

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Speaker 4: Has your opinion changed at all after this last episode?

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Speaker 2: Well, not as a whole, because like I thought that

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Speaker 2: that like that like doesn't compare to any prior season.

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Speaker 2: I've never felt such a drag before, and now that

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Speaker 2: we're on this episode. I'm like, Okay, now we're like

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Speaker 2: You know, it's not like the most exhilarating thing. It's

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Speaker 2: not like other seasons past are, but like, you know,

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Speaker 2: cannot wait till next week. I have to get my screener,

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Speaker 2: you know, like is it Friday yet? Is in my

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Speaker 2: back in bucks? I'm not gonna feel like that, but

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Speaker 2: I'm like at least like engaged while watching the episode.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and.

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Speaker 2: This was Yeah, so this was my favorite episode thus far.

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Speaker 2: And this has nothing to do with Grant. Like Grant

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Speaker 2: like every week proves that he's like so incredibly sweet

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Speaker 2: and he seems like he's gonna be the greatest husband.

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Speaker 2: There's just something about this season that just like hasn't

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Speaker 2: collicked with me, and I think a lot of people

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Speaker 2: out there, but I don't think it was it's Grant.

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Speaker 2: It might have to do a storytelling, It just might

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Speaker 2: be a combination of things. But like I just if

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Speaker 2: he's out there listening, like I think he is such

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm.

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Speaker 2: Sure that you kind of took that away with some

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Speaker 2: of his conversations this week too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think my read on Grant I've

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Speaker 4: been able to share it in a while is I

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Speaker 4: think you said everything.

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Speaker 3: He's kind, he has a sweetheart.

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Speaker 4: I do think conflict is maybe an uncomfortable position for him. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and sometimes as the lead of the show Bachelor or

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Speaker 4: a bachelor, most of like a lot of the role

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Speaker 4: is navigating conflict and kind of being the mediator amongst

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Speaker 4: like he kind of wants to take the nice route

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Speaker 4: that's helping. I also don't know if it's helping build

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Speaker 4: deeper relationships. However, there has been some conversations, especially this episode,

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Speaker 4: that I think we did get the rawness of Grant,

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Speaker 4: and I think that shines. I want to start, though,

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Speaker 4: breaking down this episode with asking our producer to pull

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Speaker 4: up because now we're down to the final four, to

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Speaker 4: pull up Ashley myself, our final four. When we broke

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Speaker 4: down the women at the very beginning, We're going to

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Speaker 4: talk about that at the end, kind of revisit who

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Speaker 4: we thought would be here.

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Speaker 2: He's not.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we didn't do good.

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Speaker 4: I'll start out Ashley my first out of this episode,

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Speaker 4: and it's hilarious. We see a scene with Jesse and

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Speaker 4: Grant golfing in Scotland, a dream for many golfers. Grant

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Speaker 4: swing is not terrible, but goodness gracious, you know what

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Speaker 4: it reminds me of. It reminds me of those Disney

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Speaker 4: movies when they used to like play basketball, and you

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Speaker 4: would watch it because you're a basketball player yourself, you'd

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Speaker 4: these people have never shot a basketball in their life. No,

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Speaker 4: Grant isn't to that level.

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Speaker 3: He does.

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Speaker 4: He is able to make contact, but you can tell

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Speaker 4: this dude has not golf many times and they're trying

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Speaker 4: he's raw dog in it. He has no gloves on,

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Speaker 4: so he's like he has no golfing glove on. He

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Speaker 4: has a very nice, wide, unbalanced swing. He swings out

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Speaker 4: of his shoes. You can see it. His short game

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Speaker 4: is is questionable, and I love that that's what they

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Speaker 4: chose for him to do because I bet they gave him.

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Speaker 4: They're like, tomorrow you're gonna go golf with Jesse and

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Speaker 4: he's like, I've got five times in my life, and.

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Speaker 3: I goold, it's gonna look awesome.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that they like really did much then

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Speaker 2: just hit one ball?

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Speaker 3: They played one hole.

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Speaker 4: It rained the whole time, and they weren't that well

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Speaker 2: And I guess I just don't like when they do

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Speaker 2: a scene like that with Jesse from your Bachelor experience,

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Speaker 2: do you actually play a whole game?

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Speaker 3: No, goodness, no, there's no way.

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Speaker 5: The show's like, hey, you know what, Jesse and Grant

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Speaker 5: take three and a half hours and go play.

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Speaker 3: I know, okay, go enjoy yourself. We're just gonna feel it.

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Speaker 3: It's a scene, Cetter. It was. It's wild. It was hilarious.

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Speaker 4: I enjoyed watching it because I was like, poor Grant

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Speaker 4: obviously doesn't play this game and Jesse does. Jesse's a

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Speaker 4: good golfer, he has a good swing, he's a lefty,

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Speaker 2: A well I was gonna say he's just an athlete,

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Speaker 2: but actually so it was grand so professionally both of them.

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Speaker 2: Did you guys go to Scotland on your season with

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Speaker 2: Kid Ireland? Ireland? Okay, it's just Ireland. I wasn't stributed

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Speaker 2: to Ireland in Scotland.

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Speaker 3: No, just Ireland.

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Speaker 4: Well, that was my big takeaway at the beginning of

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Speaker 4: this episode because as a golfer, I just thought it's funny.

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Speaker 4: We can move on from that conversation because not anybody listening.

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Speaker 4: There's not one person that was like interested in what

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Speaker 4: I just talked about. So let's start breaking down the episode.

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Speaker 4: And obviously the date cards this week are very meaningful

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Speaker 4: because we still have some people who have not had

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Speaker 4: a one on one date, which means if they don't

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Speaker 4: get a one on one date this week, they really

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Speaker 4: won't have a one on one date for the whole season.

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Speaker 4: Because yes, the final three all get one on one dates,

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Speaker 4: but those are not they're meaningful, maybe more meaningful than

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Speaker 4: but they're not actual one on ones. They're kind of

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Speaker 4: just the format of the show. You know you're going

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Speaker 4: to get a date if you're down to the final three.

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Speaker 4: This is the last time Grant can show Zoe, specifically

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Speaker 4: that he cares to have some time with her by

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Speaker 4: giving her a one on one and what happens Ashley,

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Speaker 4: she does not get one. But Juliana also didn't have

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Speaker 4: a one on one yet either.

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Speaker 2: And technically Letia had a one on one of sorts

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Speaker 2: because you miss this week, but she had a three

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Speaker 2: on one date and then he took her on the

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Speaker 2: dinner portion, so I think they had on one on

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Speaker 2: one date. They had that intimacy, but this was her

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Speaker 2: like first full day date. Juliana getting the date was

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Speaker 2: not shocking to me.

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Speaker 4: That why this season has there been so many people

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Speaker 4: not have one on ones? Is the season cuts shorter?

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Speaker 3: This is a good question because this is weird. There's

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Speaker 3: always one.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so it's just obvious to me that it's between

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's bad to the group date.

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Speaker 4: I will say this again, a great date, the most

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Speaker 2: And like the best conversation we've seen on The Bachelor,

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Speaker 4: It's a It's one that feels like it transcends the show.

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Speaker 4: It opens up.

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Speaker 4: They both dug deep within this conversation to pull out

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Speaker 4: surface level. This was a good conversation. The date itself

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Speaker 3: A thing, Okay, it has to. I mean, if your family, well.

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Speaker 2: It may not from his point of view, become like

439
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 2: the point of view, it might not from her point

440
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,400
Speaker 2: of view, but it will become a thing with the family.

441
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 3: If she's giving us these hints of how her family

442
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,959
Speaker 3: dynamic is, I'm not saying right or wrong. And in

443
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:03,119
Speaker 3: the past, if she's traditionally dated people within her faith

444
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 3: tradition consistently and now she's stepping outside of that and

445
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 3: now she's coming to hometowns, the family is not I'm

446
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,199
Speaker 3: not going to say it's they're even gonna have a

447
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 3: problem with it. They're just gonna have a lot of

448
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 3: questions that will that will not help this relationship have

449
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 3: a sturdy foundation. Things will be questionable from that point on. Okay,

450
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:36,200
Speaker 3: So I have.

451
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Speaker 2: Some questions for you, But before that, I want to

452
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,400
Speaker 2: make just a few little things I noticed. So one

453
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 2: of the things that we get asked about a lot, like,

454
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Speaker 2: I don't know about you, Ben, but if I ask,

455
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,680
Speaker 2: are my Instagram following for behind the scenes questions from

456
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 2: the from the show? A lot of them want to know,

457
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 2: do you guys talk politics or religion before you know,

458
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 2: getting down on one knee, And I said that I

459
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Speaker 2: think usually it's probably a fantasy, sweet type of thing.

460
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Speaker 2: But from your point of view, especially since you do

461
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 2: have a great faith, is that something that you brought

462
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,120
Speaker 2: up on dates during the show or is that something

463
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 2: that kind of steered you away from.

464
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Speaker 4: First off, I love that politics and your faith get

465
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 4: thrown into the same bucket.

466
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 2: They're both private conversations that you don't want to air

467
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 2: out to.

468
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 3: Sometimes.

469
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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, faith was a huge conversation within the season

470
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 4: that I was a part of. We always talked about

471
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:42,439
Speaker 4: it because nothing makes sense within my life without my faith.

472
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 4: So if you take my faith away, there's just a

473
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 4: lot of like open questions and open holes on like why.

474
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Speaker 3: Do you do what you do? And yeah, why do

475
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 3: you say what you say?

476
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Speaker 4: And the I mean so like it had to be

477
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 4: I don't want to say it's a part of my personality.

478
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 4: But it's one hundred percent a part of like my

479
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 4: every breath moment, like my value system, like my morals,

480
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,479
Speaker 4: how I view others people even in breakups, like I

481
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 4: wanted them. I wanted the woman to know, like I

482
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 4: still believe they are a child of God.

483
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 3: And so that.

484
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 5: Doesn't mean I'm just dismissing them or that I think

485
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 5: they're unattractive. I just am not feeling it romantically. Faith

486
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 5: was a huge part. It just was never shown, and

487
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 5: I don't really know why. Maybe to the producers it

488
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 5: wasn't a story they wanted, or it wasn't as interesting

489
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 5: as other conversations that we're having politics because of my

490
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 5: I think political like fire was, I was less interesting.

491
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 5: I mean I would talk about it. If somebody asked me,

492
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 5: like what do you believe about X y Z? I

493
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 5: would tell them because they asked. But it's not like

494
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 5: my driving force, Like my faith oftentimes is the catalyst

495
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 5: to why I believe politically what I believe, And so

496
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 5: if you understand my faith, yeah, you're probably gonna understand me,

497
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 5: which probably helps you understand that like how I'm you know,

498
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 5: what I believe politically, Yeah, so I don't remember having like, hey,

499
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 5: what do you think about this guy or this girl,

500
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 5: or you know, what do you think about that wall.

501
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 5: I don't remember those conversations, but I do remember talking

502
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 5: about like my belief in humans often.

503
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 2: Okay, So when she tells him that she's Mormon, I

504
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 2: had two things. Actually, I knew that this conversation was

505
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 2: going to come up, but I didn't remember that until

506
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,400
Speaker 2: like she was like I was like, oh my god,

507
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,719
Speaker 2: that's right, she's Mormon, and this conversation was coming. I

508
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 2: have two questions for you. How much do you know

509
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 2: about Mormon's dating outside of their faith?

510
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,360
Speaker 3: I mean, I know quite a bit about the Mormon Church.

511
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 2: So do they typically date outside not typic Definitely not typically?

512
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 3: But is it does it?

513
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 2: Is it usually an issue with the family if they do?

514
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 4: Okay, it would be a it would be issue would

515
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 4: probably be the best word to use. Yes, it would

516
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 4: be a conversation.

517
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 3: Okay.

518
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 2: And then are you surprised that someone of the Mormon

519
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 2: faith would go on the show?

520
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Speaker 4: You know you have this kind of like, I mean,

521
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 4: obviously I know enough about the Mormon church to uh

522
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 4: speak to it. Incredibly generous people, an insanely close community,

523
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 4: like the very tight knit community, and the Church of

524
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 4: Latter day Saints is the one of the biggest givers

525
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 4: of funds too in g o's around the world, like

526
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 4: just insanely generous. And so, you know, I think I'll

527
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 4: say this, I'm going to make an assumption. This would

528
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 4: this would be like a really big topic that like

529
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 4: like religious studies would have to like go into.

530
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 3: I would say, with this.

531
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Speaker 4: Kind of new era of this new generation coming up

532
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 4: within the Mormon Church, I think we've seen them be

533
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 4: more accepting of being in the social scene, right. We

534
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 4: just we're seeing more and more people put their faith

535
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 4: out there, talk about it and go on shows or

536
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 4: have shows.

537
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 3: You know. So I don't know, I am.

538
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 4: I would say the one thing here that is interesting

539
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 4: to me that I would have probably asked if I

540
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 4: was grant just because of my lack of knowledge, would

541
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 4: have been that question, well.

542
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 3: Would I have to convert to Well, no, it would

543
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 3: be the question.

544
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 4: Of you would have been you obviously know that I'm

545
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 4: not a you know, a practicing Mormon, and so for

546
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 4: you to come on this show, like what was your

547
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 4: expectations of me and our relationship when you came on

548
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 4: the show, knowing that I didn't practice this same faith.

549
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 2: So obviously she has to be okay with the thought.

550
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be my assumption.

551
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 4: That's what I'm getting to is like, I'm assuming that

552
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 4: she thought about this, that she walked through this. Maybe

553
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,959
Speaker 4: she never knew how far she would go, and so

554
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 4: she's like, I'll just confront it when I need to

555
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 4: confront it. And this seemed like a good time. But

556
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 4: I would have asked that conversation if I was Grant,

557
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 4: like what were you thinking?

558
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 3: Then? I mean, this is a big deal, right, Also.

559
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 2: We get from this conversation that, I mean, the standout

560
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 2: moment to me was that he has a faith in

561
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 2: God for sure, and just so emotional. He gets so emotional.

562
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 2: I feel so emotional when he says that, you know,

563
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 2: he really wants to have dinner at the table with

564
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 2: his family and that he didn't really have this when

565
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 2: he grew up. He would take his dinner to his

566
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: bedroom and eat alone and then talk to God in

567
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 2: those moments, and I was like, I'm destroyed.

568
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 3: How beautiful is he?

569
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 2: Well, it's beautiful that he has a relationship with God

570
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 2: and that that's what and you know that in those

571
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 2: moments he wasn't like I'm going to go and like

572
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 2: play a video game and seclude myself further into like

573
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 2: all this whole life, but that he reached out and

574
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 2: it was so faithful still like and I mean faithful

575
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 2: about like his future and his belief in God and

576
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 2: all that, and that he craved connection.

577
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,959
Speaker 4: I mean some would say that God speaks the loudest

578
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 4: in the quietest of moments, and it sounds like Grant

579
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 4: spent a lot of time in quiet, And I think

580
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 4: when you slow down and spend some time in quiet,

581
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 4: I think God shows up, or at least you can

582
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 4: hear it. And so there's probably even though Grant didn't

583
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 4: really speak of his strong like I wake up every day,

584
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 4: like he kind of like spoke to this checklist that

585
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 4: he would have to do to say that he had

586
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 4: a strong faith.

587
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, I don't have my nine PM prayers.

588
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, from my perspective, his you know what, Like from

589
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 4: what I've heard from there, his faith is so strong, yeah,

590
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 4: And that the checklist isn't at all, at least within

591
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 4: the Christian tradition, something that is a marker of how

592
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 4: strong or how weak your faith is. It's those quiet

593
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 4: moments that you've spend with God. And so I'm listening

594
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 4: to Grant there and I'm like, dude, like you've had

595
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 4: you have had this, Like there's a reason that you're kind,

596
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 4: that you're considerate, that your introspective, that you seem to

597
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 4: be caring so deeply for the women that are involved

598
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 4: in this process, even though this process is so goofy.

599
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 4: You you recognize the humanity that exists with than these

600
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 4: women and as a result, like we're seeing that as

601
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,959
Speaker 4: as a lead, and like that's what's making you a

602
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 4: good lead because I can tell you care, which I will.

603
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 5: Also say is probably why the ending is so bad.

604
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 5: Hard for him, like a man o man. He doesn't

605
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 5: realize how much he's going to care, and that could.

606
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 3: Be a problem.

607
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 2: Ben Ben Ben. It was like in that moment, I

608
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 2: was like, I'm so glad this guy's the bachelor, and

609
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: then in the back of my mind, I was like,

610
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: how could he?

611
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 3: How could he?

612
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 2: How does he go from this conversation too? I don't

613
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,239
Speaker 2: know if I'm going to pick her and it's not

614
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 2: like just her, Like how do you go from like

615
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: this is this beautiful moment? This is beautiful moment. I

616
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: can't say it any other way to being like I'm

617
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 2: going to make a decision so frivolously, like just so.

618
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 3: I think we see a lot.

619
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 4: I'll tease this for the rest of this season and

620
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 4: and hopefully the Bachelor's producers are listening to this and

621
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 4: can like give us a little high five. And I

622
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 4: mean it when I say this. I think the last

623
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 4: few episodes of this season are going to be memorable, captivating,

624
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,959
Speaker 4: incredible storytelling and really like where you're on the edge

625
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 4: of your seat hoping for that episode to drop next

626
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 4: week because you want to know what happens. I think

627
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 4: we're about to get a really raw version of Grant

628
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 4: that I am excited to see.

629
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 3: He's going to be so uncomfortable. He hasn't really been

630
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 3: uncomfortable yet.

631
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's about to get out of this like kind

632
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 4: of like smooth from good looking guy like he's he's

633
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 4: had that the whole season and it's been great. I

634
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 4: think we're about to see Grant break and that's I mean,

635
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 4: I've been there. That's when the season gets real, and

636
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 4: I think we're about to see it.

637
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 3: Ashlely, for the.

638
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 4: Sake of time, we got to jump to this group

639
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 4: day Now, there's obviously some drama that comes up at

640
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 4: this group date, circling around a topic that's been the.

641
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 3: Topic for the last few weeks here.

642
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 5: Zoe doesn't have a one on one this week, so

643
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 5: we come into this group day kind of expecting her

644
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 5: to be the main focus of this group day. However,

645
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 5: to everybody's disappointment, at least the cast, she wasn't because

646
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 5: there's one other person that's feeling pushed aside. Actually, after

647
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 5: weeks of engaging in this show, and after weeks of

648
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 5: talking through this with co hosts and fans of the show,

649
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 5: at any point during this group.

650
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 4: Day, did you feel like Carolina was doing one anything wrong?

651
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 4: That's the best way I know how to describe it.

652
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 4: And two are you annoyed by her?

653
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 3: Or do you get it? Well?

654
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 2: I've defended her a lot, thinking that like the girls

655
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 2: were to a certain extent like ganging up on her,

656
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 2: especially when like a lot of the issues started with

657
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 2: her relationship with Rose and Rose telling her something weird

658
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 2: and them saying that she was monopolizing time when I

659
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 2: actually thought that she needed to use the time to

660
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 2: get some answers. This is probably the episode in which

661
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 2: I'm like Okay, Carolyn, I you probably do need to

662
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 2: chill the hell out. I still think that there might

663
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 2: be a little of reaction. The only overreaction I really

664
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 2: felt was Dina was like, do you not have free will?

665
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 2: And like because she wanted her to admit that she

666
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 2: had the free will to tell Grant, Hey, I'm just

667
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 2: having a sad moment, but please don't don't give your

668
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 2: time to me, because I want you to give your

669
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 2: time to the other girls. We should all be having time.

670
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, well, like Carolina says, not in

671
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 2: the history of the Bachelor, has anybody said, oh, please

672
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 2: don't give me your time. I would much prefer all

673
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 2: our time to be equally divided. Please go back to

674
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 2: the other girls while I'm having this sad moment. Like,

675
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: that's the kind of thing where I was like, you know,

676
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 2: I still can see I understand Carolina's point. If he's

677
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 2: coming to her, he's going she's going to take advantage

678
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 2: of the time. Now. I didn't care for Carolina in

679
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 2: this episode because I think this was like the first

680
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 2: time where she wasn't a She really wasn't a team player.

681
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 2: There's a difference between getting more time with the lead

682
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 2: because of like this and that, but like for you

683
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 2: to be like, oh, you know, I'm just down and out,

684
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna sit out on the activities. That

685
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 2: is kind of begging for that's just begging for special treatment.

686
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 2: And Grant is kind of too nice not to give

687
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 2: into it.

688
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I think he has to give into it.

689
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 4: I mean one of the fears is the lead, and

690
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 4: it's been this way. I've talked almost every lead is

691
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 4: these group dates at the end get really awkward because

692
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 4: there's only five people on them, and all five of

693
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,439
Speaker 4: these women you've probably other than this.

694
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 2: Is four and was there four but four or five,

695
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 2: I don't know.

696
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 3: You have a one on one with all of them.

697
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 4: So you have these close relationships and now you're like

698
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 4: at the end and you're like, let's still have a

699
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 4: group date. It's very awkward. It's a very weird environment.

700
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 4: Uh and it and it just feels tough. And so

701
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 4: one of the hopes I remember, at this exact date

702
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 4: during my season, all of us were standing together and

703
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 4: I said, here's a deal. This is awkward and this

704
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 4: is weird for all of us. Yeah, this is going

705
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 4: to be so much easier if we just slap on

706
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 4: our good attitudes and try to have the best time possible,

707
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 4: because if not, this could be like rough. We all

708
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 4: know that, we all we all know we're walking on

709
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 4: this like fine line between all of us getting mad

710
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 4: at each other and falling into the deep end. And

711
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 4: so can we just put on our good attitudes for

712
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 4: this thing and have the best time possible. Yeah, And

713
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,439
Speaker 4: that's kind of what your hope is as the lead

714
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,720
Speaker 4: for this date specifically, is can we just get through

715
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 4: this because none of us really want to be here

716
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 4: doing what we're doing today. Well, so for Carolina to

717
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 4: pull this kind of sit aside, I get it from

718
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 4: her perspective. She's just down, like she doesn't want to

719
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 4: be there. She's making it very well known. She's kind

720
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 4: of like this is pointless.

721
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 3: I'm watching it, no, you.

722
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: Know what I mean. She does the opposite of Juliana,

723
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:24,959
Speaker 2: like she can't put on the happy face.

724
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 3: She can't put on the happy face.

725
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 4: And she says this thing to Grant where she says,

726
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 4: I just see all these other relationships far past ours,

727
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 4: and so I'm wondering what I'm doing here. And I

728
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 4: think that's what she's really feeling, is she's sitting there going,

729
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 4: am I just sticking around for a Row ceremony because

730
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 4: maybe it's just better for me to leave now in

731
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 4: this moment because he obviously cares more about some other

732
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 4: people that are on this show right now.

733
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. The issue with her is that she's always needing validation.

734
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 2: Every week, she needs a new solo moment with him

735
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 2: to get validation, and she's just constantly feeling like, are

736
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:02,919
Speaker 2: we not up to par? Are we not up to part?

737
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 2: I was like, I just like, maybe you're you Just

738
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 2: if that's how you're feeling, you're just not connecting.

739
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, maybe you're not at the par and you

740
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 4: should go home, which from me watching it this week,

741
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 4: I felt like she wanted to go home. I think she,

742
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 4: in a sense wanted Grant to tell her, Hey, you're right,

743
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 4: let's just call it here. You're good, Like pack the bags,

744
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 4: get out.

745
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 3: Of here, okay.

746
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 2: But I don't think her ego can handle wanted to

747
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 2: handle getting eliminated at a Rose ceremony, which is maybe

748
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 2: why she wanted to continuously have one on one time

749
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 2: with him. Be Like, if it's gonna end, it's gonna

750
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 2: end with us too. Right here, I am not getting

751
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 2: eliminated at a rose.

752
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 3: That's fair too.

753
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 5: Then yeah, then show off and say no, I'm out, Like, hey,

754
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 5: this is this is it for me?

755
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 3: Peace out, everybody. I'm sending myself home.

756
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,919
Speaker 4: The rest of the conversation around this drama, it did

757
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 4: feel like the girls are over. They're exhausting themselves on

758
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 4: a topic that is not worth focusing on too much. Yes,

759
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 4: she's taking up some time. However, it feels it did

760
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 4: feel like, at least from what we saw on the show,

761
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 4: they are isolating her. They're not really letting her say

762
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 4: anything without it being the wrong thing to say. I

763
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 4: think they're frustrated with her. And then the argument of

764
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 4: that somebody will give up their time for somebody else

765
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 4: out of fairness is absolutely ridiculous. That's never happened, it

766
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,439
Speaker 4: never will happen, and you don't think of stuff that way.

767
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 2: Now I understand the crux of what Dina was trying

768
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 2: to say, which is like I stood up for you.

769
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 2: I didn't understand while the other girls had an issue.

770
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 2: I was trying to be understanding of you, and now

771
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 2: like you've crossed my line, like you have been absolutely ridiculous.

772
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: And then it's nice to see them makeup in the

773
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 2: final you know scenes of the show in which we

774
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 2: can we can quickly go through who gets eliminated. We

775
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 2: would have said that we were shocked to see Alex

776
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 2: leave a couple weeks ago. She's the classic had the

777
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 2: first one on one situation where we get like very

778
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 2: tied up with the person who goes first, and we're like,

779
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 2: that's the one that sets the precedent right, and it

780
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 2: feels so strong because we haven't seen him really have

781
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 2: a one on one with anyone else, any like sort

782
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 2: of long term, in depth conversation with anyone else, so

783
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 2: we immediately think that that person is gonna they've got

784
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 2: it right, but she has fallen down the steps, so

785
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 2: to speak, over the past few weeks. And then Sarah

786
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 2: Fina I always kind of knew last week. It was like, oh,

787
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 2: this is a date, they're gonna have fun, but she's

788
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 2: not getting to hometowns. And then Carolina, you know, she

789
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 2: that's it. It was it was time, and I think

790
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 2: that he did take some of the warnings from the

791
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 2: other girls to heart when it came to.

792
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 3: Her final thoughts.

793
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 5: As we close out this episode, Ashley's top four was

794
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 5: Zoe Alex, Carolina, and Nissi, so she had one of four.

795
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 5: My final four was Zoe, Alex, Alisha, Rebecca, so Zoe

796
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 5: is the one that got us into the final four

797
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 5: for both of us. Finally, this season has been rushed.

798
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 5: There was only twenty five women, seven of them sent

799
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 5: home on the first night, four in the second. This

800
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 5: is an unusual situation because historically the Bachelor is nine

801
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 5: to thirteen episodes. Joey had eleven, Grant will only have nine.

802
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 5: Thirty women are usually standard.

803
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 4: So, yes, we were right, there is a unique The

804
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 4: math is mathing because it's a unique season.

805
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 3: For the Bachelor. Shorter, less women, less women being eliminated.

806
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 2: You know what, you guys, you should have had an

807
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 2: extra episode and not given us a women tell all.

808
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's a woman tell all coming our way

809
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 2: and we're gonna be annoyed by it. Also, last thought, Zoe,

810
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 2: she's got to be one of the very few people

811
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 2: in Bachelor history you get to hometowns without having a

812
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 2: one on one date. Should be the first. Yeah, I

813
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,919
Speaker 2: don't think she's the first, but she's one of few.

814
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 2: All Right, well, guys, we are going to go to

815
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 2: an episode with Alicia. If you remember her, she was

816
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,720
Speaker 2: a shock elimination week two, so stay tuned for that

817
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 2: episode and we'll be back with more this week.

818
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 3: Until then, I've been Ben and I've been Ashley. Bye.

819
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820
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,360
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