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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon, and this is episode number seventy

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Speaker 1: six chain the show. Simply put, Dan and I are

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Speaker 1: going to be divulging everything we can think of about

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Speaker 1: killing October bucks. All right, welcome to the Wire to

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Speaker 1: Hunt podcast, brought to you by Sita Gear. Now today

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Speaker 1: it's just me and Dan and we're taking a little

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Speaker 1: time to date in October, to take a deep breath

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Speaker 1: and process a few you things. You know. Over the

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Speaker 1: past year and a half, probably we've interviewed dozens and

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Speaker 1: dozens of white tail experts while also between me and

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Speaker 1: Dan hunting literally hundreds of hours over that time too,

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Speaker 1: And the result is that we and hopefully you too,

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Speaker 1: have learned a lot about deer hunting. So that said,

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Speaker 1: today I wanted to spend some time reviewing what we

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Speaker 1: know about killing bucks October, what we've learned, what we've

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Speaker 1: seen work, and what we plan to do the rest

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Speaker 1: of this month to try and fill our tax So

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Speaker 1: in short, we're gonna be discussing everything we can think

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Speaker 1: of that will help you and us kill in October buck.

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Speaker 1: So so that sound like a pretty good planned in.

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Speaker 1: And when you say just me and you, we are

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Speaker 1: like the encyclopedia of white tail knowledge. So I was listening.

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Speaker 1: Feel privileged, says the guy who closed his eyes and

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Speaker 1: accidentally shot while talking to the guy who missed a

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Speaker 1: buck all in the last week. Hey, mine was mother nature. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I could not control what happened on my on my

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Speaker 1: miss buck. I don't know. I told my wife and

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Speaker 1: she thought it sounded pretty pretty sketchy. But your wife

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Speaker 1: also thought that would be a good idea to ship

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Speaker 1: ice cream through the mail. I'm not listening to what

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Speaker 1: she has to say. Fair enough, touche, oh man. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think we do at least have some things we've learned,

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Speaker 1: and we definitely have got some experiences we've it's been

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Speaker 1: kind of cool over the last two years. You know,

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Speaker 1: we've we've heard from so many different great people, We've

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Speaker 1: had a lot of our own experiences, and then we've

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Speaker 1: gone out the last two years and hunted and then

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Speaker 1: actually seen a lot of things we've talked about or

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Speaker 1: heard about. We put them into play and seen a

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Speaker 1: lot of these things come, you know, come to life. Um,

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Speaker 1: and I know a lot of our listeners have too,

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Speaker 1: as I've gotten I know you have two. We've heard

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Speaker 1: from a lot of our listeners and readers from Weird Hunt.

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Speaker 1: Two of you know, being able to take some of

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Speaker 1: the things they've learned from this podcast put him into

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Speaker 1: action in the field and have actually killed bucks because

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Speaker 1: of it. Lots and lots and lots of people have

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Speaker 1: been emailing us and letting us know about that stuff.

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Speaker 1: And dude, that's about as cool as it gets. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a pretty awesome. When someone sends

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Speaker 1: you a picture, it's pretty cool and they say, hey,

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Speaker 1: I listened to what you and Mark had to say.

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Speaker 1: I put that into play and I'm holding these antlers

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Speaker 1: because of it. So that that's that's that's awesome, you know,

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Speaker 1: absolutely love it. Big big shout out to one of

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Speaker 1: our listeners, Thomas are Not. I believe it's how you

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Speaker 1: say his name. He just killed a big old buck

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Speaker 1: last week. Um, and we saw that on Facebook. That's

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Speaker 1: pretty cool. And there's a number of other people I

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Speaker 1: can't remember their names right now, but I'll try to

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Speaker 1: shout outs. We'd love to hear about when you do

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Speaker 1: have success, So keep them coming for sure, so that

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Speaker 1: all you know. I don't think I'm ever not going

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Speaker 1: hold on real quick, Dan, just one second, because we

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Speaker 1: do need to pause real briefly for a word from

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Speaker 1: our partners at Sick of Gear, who believe in the

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Speaker 1: Wired Hunt podcast and you guys so much that they're

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Speaker 1: willing to help us keep this show afloat, so as

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Speaker 1: we do each week, we're hearing from Sick of product

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Speaker 1: category leader Dennis Zuck, And today I wanted to pick

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Speaker 1: Dennis's brain about basse layers specifically. I was curious, you know,

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Speaker 1: But the reality is is that's that's a very athletic view,

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Speaker 1: but you should think about that in your consideration. You know,

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Speaker 1: But they still need to be comfortable. They still need

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Speaker 1: some interesting insight to keep in mind next time you're

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Speaker 1: looking to purchase some hunting base layers, and if you're

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Speaker 1: com and now Dan for real this time, how'd your

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Speaker 1: weekend go? I'll tell you what, man, it's It has

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Speaker 1: I didn't get I didn't get winded. The night I

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Speaker 1: now they're back in the timber and like like I saw,

429
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to get on those deer unless you

430
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 1: want to push in there after him. So acorns it is,

431
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 1: that's for sure. So before we get to that October

432
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 1: lall topic, though, I want to take a real quick

433
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 1: step back for an opportunity here. We just finished kind

434
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 1: of the early season phase of our hunting season. Dan,

435
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 1: We've talked a lot about things leaving up to it

436
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 1: um anything that you really learned from this early October time,

437
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 1: from any early October lessons learned this year? For me,

438
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 1: you know, to be honest with you, I didn't get

439
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 1: a hunt. I haven't been hunting as much because I

440
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: have kids and responsibilities and my wife has a business,

441
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:59,120
Speaker 1: so I'm needed more at home. And that's okay for me,

442
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: because you know, I want to save the arguments for

443
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 1: for November. But with that said, I am one thing

444
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: I've kind of learned is now is probably not well.

445
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:16,679
Speaker 1: I hate I hate to say that because I can

446
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: contradict myself on so many levels. Now is the time

447
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 1: that if you have trail cameras, really start watching the

448
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 1: dear movement and if you're not getting if you're not

449
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 1: getting deer on trail cameras, don't be afraid to take

450
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: that trail camera down and move it someplace else to

451
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: try to, you know, triangulate the position of a deer.

452
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 1: Even though even though this time of year they're moving

453
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: around between different food sources and they're they're probably making

454
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,719
Speaker 1: bigger laps, so to speak. Don't be afraid to move

455
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 1: your trail cameras and try to find different locations that

456
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 1: they that some of your some of your deer are

457
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 1: moving to, and that will allow you to say, Okay,

458
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 1: they're here, they're here, they're also here. It might might

459
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: give you an opportunity to triangulate their position. And you're

460
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: saying that more so heading into the middle of the month,

461
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: are you're saying that that's something that you think is

462
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: really better for that early period. I'm saying I'm staying

463
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 1: for early period, earlier period going into going into the

464
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 1: lull because you know, yeah, they're hitting scrapes right now,

465
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: probably after dark, but they're still you know, they're not

466
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: hitting as scrapes as often. Because I watched three deer

467
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: this past weekend. Only the mature one hit one scrape

468
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,719
Speaker 1: and he was on it for maybe one second. Scrape,

469
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: scrape p done, and it really it took that long.

470
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: The other deer didn't hit the scrapes at all that

471
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: I that I saw. So it's they they're not I feel,

472
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: they're not using those scrapes. Yes, they they're using them,

473
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 1: but not as often as they will in the next

474
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 1: two weeks. Yeah, this is definitely the ramping up period

475
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 1: that they're just entering now, right. Yeah, Okay, interesting stuff. Yeah,

476
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: I think UM. For me, from an early season standpoint,

477
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 1: this season just reaffirmed things that I've been you know,

478
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: seeing become more and more true over the years, just

479
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: the the importance of in the early season taking advantage

480
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: of if you have the right conditions, strike hard, and strike.

481
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: You know, if you've got intel and the right conditions,

482
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: it's a great time to get a kill. UM. And

483
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: you know, I had I had that situation, and I'm

484
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: just glad, you know that. Probably the best the thing

485
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,479
Speaker 1: I did right that made the largest impact for me

486
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: with my October one kill was the fact that I

487
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: changed my travel plans because I was originally planning on

488
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 1: just going to Ohio for that weekend and that day.

489
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: But I had that sighting on Monday where I scouted

490
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: from a long distance and saw these deer out there,

491
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: and then I saw the conditions were gonna be really

492
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 1: good for that night. The wind, the barometer of the moon,

493
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,719
Speaker 1: the temperature, and I said, these things are lined up

494
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: for a really good hunt. So I said to my said, Okay,

495
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: I've got Ohio, which is a great place, or i

496
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: can hunt in Michigan where it's not usually as great.

497
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: But I've got these couple cards that are really looking

498
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: good for me. You know, in my favor, I said

499
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 1: to postpone that Ohio trip instead do that hunt, and

500
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: it paid off. So I think when you do get

501
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: those things lining up right, you can't pussyfoot around it.

502
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: You have to take advantage because those special times don't

503
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: come along that often. Um. And So if I learned

504
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 1: anything it was just simply when you've got everything lined

505
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: up like that, Do not delay, strike hard, strike fast,

506
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: but make sure you know it's informed. So my question

507
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: to you is are you going to be in Iowa

508
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 1: this weekend? My answer for you is hell, yes, okay,

509
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: good because we have a major cold front coming through.

510
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: I'm kind of stoked about it. Yeah, I was. I've

511
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: been staring at the same screen now just waiting for

512
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,719
Speaker 1: it to change. But it's not changing. And temperatures are

513
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 1: going to be dropping almost twenty degrees from the weekly

514
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: average to Saturday, the highest supposed to be like fifty

515
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: six fifty seven degrees. So I'm gonna unfortunately, I have

516
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: a wedding. Stupid your weddings. Yeah, tell me about it.

517
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: So Friday night I'll be in the stand. Saturday morning,

518
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: I'll be in the stand Friday or Saturday night I

519
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 1: have I have a wedding. But yeah, well it's gonna

520
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: be awesome regardless. I'll keep you posted on how the

521
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: woods look because I in the part of our where

522
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be hunting. It's gonna be like seventy three

523
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 1: degrees on Thursday high seventy three and Thursday high on

524
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: Friday is gonna be fifty three so it's gonna drop

525
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: twenty degrees in one day. So I'm driving Thursday night

526
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: to get to my camping spot that night. Friday morning,

527
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna check a couple of trail cameras on these properties,

528
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: or at least on one of these ones that I'm

529
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: not playing hunting, check the camera, put a camera out,

530
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: and then head to the property. I am planning and

531
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: hunting and get in there early because I have to

532
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: hang and hunt. You know, this is all all run

533
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: and gun because I have not had a chance to

534
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: set anything up on these properties and learning them for

535
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: the first time. So it's going to be basically trying

536
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: to observe and learn about these properties over the weekend. Um.

537
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: But with these great conditions, um, that big coal front

538
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: hitting and we've got a good moon position to um.

539
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: These things all, you know, indicate it could be good

540
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: for dear movements. So I'm hoping to you know, set

541
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: in some spots where I can observe and learn something,

542
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: but also maybe get lucky and be in a position

543
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: to you know, hopefully at least encounter mature buck. You

544
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: never know, Um, It's probably unlikely, but maybe I'll look

545
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: into something. So hey man, anything can happen. Anything can

546
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: happen anytime, especially when these cold fronts coming through. And

547
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: I believe when you when you say a good moon,

548
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: is I think that the moon is going to be

549
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: setting an hour before the sun sets? Is that true?

550
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: I think so? So any you know, it depends on

551
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: who you talk to. You some guys are you know,

552
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: they want that moon straight above them. Some guys want

553
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: the moon just coming up or just going down as

554
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: as prime time as far as the sun or the

555
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: Sun's position in the sky. So the moon is setting

556
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: somewhere around five on Friday night, I believe, and then

557
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: setting all the sun setting. The sun is setting at

558
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: about six thirty. But the moon is going to be

559
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: setting at you mean rising. No, the moon in the

560
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: evening is rising. Well what about what about black moon?

561
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: I mean no, I'm serious. I'm I can pull it

562
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: up right now if you want me to Weather Channel.

563
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: Because the moon rises in the evening when the sun

564
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: setting and the morning the sun is rising. The moon

565
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: is setting, not every time, not not every time because

566
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: anyway anyway we can we can talk about it later.

567
00:30:54,920 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: But as from from that standpoint, the the the sun

568
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: is going to be low in the sky and the

569
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: moon will be low in the sky and that's good

570
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: for dear movement. Okay, yeah, I mean I agree in

571
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: the fact that whenever the moon is rising during that

572
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: final two a couple of hours of daily that's a

573
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: good thing. And then also if we're looking at the

574
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: overhead times on Friday, the moon is going to be

575
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: directly overhead just a little bit before four pm, just

576
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: a little bit before five pm on Saturday, and just

577
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: around five thirty on Sunday. So those are all during

578
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: that you know, final couple hours of daylight too. So

579
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: overhead times are good, moon rising or setting times could

580
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: be good. So cold front lots of things looking good

581
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: for this weekend yea um middle of October. So that's

582
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: what we're planning on doing. I'm gonna be trying to

583
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: figure out these couple of properties, moving some cameras around,

584
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: observing from a couple of stand locations. Sunday, I'm gonna

585
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: try to hang a couple of stands for the rout

586
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: trip um so that I have something that will be

587
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: set um and then all the back two weeks after

588
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: that to actually start hunting the rut um. That's said

589
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: during the middle of October. The October lull is much

590
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: talked about, this time frame where things can go south

591
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: for some hunters. You posted a blog post a couple

592
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: of days ago or a week ago or so that's

593
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: said October low, you're drunk. I think something like that.

594
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: Go home, October below, you're drunk. There you go, explain

595
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: why do you say that? Okay, So the deer are

596
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: moving all right, the scrapes are appearing. Okay, So some

597
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: of this, some of this uh movement that we're seeing

598
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: is it could be pressure from hunters, it could be

599
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: change in food source. But the deer are still moving. Okay.

600
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: So I think the October lull, in my opinion is

601
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: people who are field edge hunters, they see the deer

602
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: several days in a they the dear stop moving to

603
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: that position, and then they're like, oh, it's that October

604
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: lull just because I mean, it's it's almost like it's

605
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: a term with no scientific evidence behind it makes sense.

606
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: It does. And I think to your point, which you

607
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: just made, the science like, there is actually studies that

608
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: clearly show that dear movement simply just movement, is on

609
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: a steady rise through October. So there's definitely there's definitely

610
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: no decline in dear movement, but they're most definitely is

611
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: a change in dear behavior. Would you agree, yes, I

612
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: believe there is a change in dear behavior. And when

613
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: I say, I think there's a difference between dear behavior

614
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: and dear movement. So der behavior to me is, Okay,

615
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: they stripped their velvet. Now they start scraping and rubbing.

616
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: Their kind of their behavior is kind of changing, getting

617
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: ramped up for the rut. There's a huge behavior shift

618
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,239
Speaker 1: when it's the rut. They they don't like to hang

619
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: out with other bucks. They're fighting each other. And then

620
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: after that they go back to another behavior change, which is,

621
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: you know, they start getting back to a social animal again. Okay,

622
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: now a deer, a deer movement change is it can

623
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 1: be influenced by several things. That can be influenced by

624
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: hunting pressure. It can be influenced by food source changes,

625
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: which I think is what a lot of people are thinking.

626
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: You know what a lot of people are seeing when

627
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: I when I cut that dose stomach open, it was

628
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 1: all acorns. Okay, Yeah, I was hunting a field edge

629
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of that has to do

630
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: with the cold Front that helped come through. But that's

631
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: just telling me that a lot of their time is

632
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: spent on acorns in the timber. The deer don't have

633
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: to come to a field edge to eat. There's so

634
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 1: much greens and there's so much mass in the timber

635
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: right now. They don't have to come out if they

636
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: don't want to. Yeah, very true. I think at that.

637
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: You know, we've talked about this before, but I think

638
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: that they're definitely like the phenomenon of the October lull

639
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: has truth to it in that it is if you

640
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: if you, It depends on how define the October lull.

641
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: If we're talking, does does deer movement decline? No, but

642
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: does observed dear activity from a hunter from the average

643
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: under standpoint decline? Maybe if you're not adjusting properly. So

644
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: the key is you need to make those adjustments if

645
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: you if you want to avoid the lull, you need

646
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: to change because, like you just said, food sources are changing.

647
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: Deer are adjusting to hunting pressure which is ramping up um.

648
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: Deer are adjusting to changing cover. You know, leaves are

649
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: starting to fall, that's going to change. Crops are coming

650
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: out exactly, So as these things changed If you stick

651
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: to the same things you were doing two weeks ago,

652
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a lull, no doubt about it. So

653
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: you have to change things up at this time, right,

654
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: And that is why this Friday night, when this cold

655
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: front is coming through, I will be in one of

656
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: my best stands. I have hung right, it's gonna be.

657
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: It's one of my stands I I typically set just

658
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: for the rut, but I have the perfect wind. It's

659
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 1: right next to a h it's right next to a

660
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: betting area. I don't have to run and gun to

661
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 1: set it up. I'm going in climbing up and it's

662
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: gonna it's one of my best stands. I'm not waiting.

663
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: I'm not waiting to hunt it. So that's I'm not

664
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: going to say that said man, it's a usual rut

665
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 1: hunt or it's the usual rut stand. But I'm assuming

666
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: what's what makes us a good stand? Why is this

667
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: your best stand? Because I know a lot of our

668
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: rut stands are just like generic funnel stands, maybe between

669
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: betting areas or something. But I'm thinking that might not

670
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: be what this is. If it's if you're trying to

671
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: hunt at this time, you're what makes the stand so

672
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 1: good at this time of you? Do you think it

673
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:55,240
Speaker 1: is close to a big betting area in between crop fields,

674
00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: and the wind will be skirting that um, skirting that

675
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: stand location where it will be coming through this natural

676
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: gap between the thick bedding cover and the um and

677
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: the field edge. So I'm gonna be in about fifty

678
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 1: or sixty yards off the field edge on where two

679
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: main trails crossed that each go to a different corn field,

680
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: and and there's oak trees and um, yeah, oak trees

681
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: all along that little that natural gap, and I'm gonna

682
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: be butt up next to this creek where they crossed

683
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 1: to get into that area. Tons of sign Every year

684
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: I go in tons of rubs, tons of scrapes. So

685
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: I just have a feeling that with this northwest wind

686
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: that I'm supposed to have um Friday night, that I'm

687
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: going to get something coming in with a gold front

688
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: and the other rising barometer. That sounds good man. I

689
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: think that sounds like a great place to be, UM.

690
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: And I totally agree with your logic that now is

691
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: a great time to hunt something like that, because this

692
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: middle of October time period, if you do know where

693
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: these deer are if you do know historically some of

694
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: these better spots to be, and if you get conditions

695
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: like this, the deer are going to be you know,

696
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: there's a very good chance they could be moving, especially

697
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: now like in your case, you've kept the pressure off

698
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: that spot. So you know, that's exactly what happened for

699
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: me middle of October last year when I had a

700
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: cold front, I had good conditions. I knew where I

701
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: thought the buck I was hunting, called Jawbreaker, was betted,

702
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: and I pushed in their close for those couple of

703
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 1: days during the cold front and I got shot him.

704
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: So I definitely think there's some truth to that. And

705
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: so my plan this year, while I don't evan Night,

706
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,240
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to talk here, I know very little

707
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: about this property that I'm gonna be going and trying

708
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: to figure out. But still I think I know where

709
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: probably one of the better areas to bed for a

710
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: buck would be, and I think I know one of

711
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 1: the more likely food sources that he'll be probably hitting

712
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: this time of year. So my plan, even though I've

713
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: never hunted before my first set, I'm going to go

714
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 1: in there and try to get somewhere in between that

715
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: best betting area that I can think of and that

716
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: best food source. And since I don't know it well enough,

717
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: I'm not going to push him too close. I'll stay

718
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 1: a little bit closer to the edge and observe. But

719
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: I think that general area is where I'll need to be.

720
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: So hopefully that first night i'll learn something, maybe see

721
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: him if there's a nice buck in there, um, and

722
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: maybe I can adjust for the next night. I don't know,

723
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: but I think, Um, it's the type of night, it's

724
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: the type of weekend where you can have that kind

725
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: of action. Ye and I and I will be hunting

726
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: that same stand the next morning too. Yeah. I just

727
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: I just feel that if you limit yourself, if you

728
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,479
Speaker 1: go in and you hunt a stand. And now, let's see,

729
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a believer of hunting, of hunting mornings

730
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: this time of year. If the if the information from

731
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: my trail camera says there's a big buck in the area,

732
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: I'm mature one of my hit list year in the area,

733
00:39:54,080 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: all right, But you also need to know what the

734
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: pattern is for morning movement. So I'm gonna be hunting

735
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: this stand. I haven't been in there, I don't have

736
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: a trail camera in there because I moved it since

737
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: they've been logging. Um logging is done now, that's good.

738
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: The crops are out now, so that's good. That's good

739
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: for me. But I need to also see what the

740
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: morning movement's like. And if there's no morning movement, then

741
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: it tells me it's not quite ready yet. If there

742
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: is some morning movement, I'm gonna credit that to this

743
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: cold front that's coming through. Yeah, that'll be interesting to

744
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 1: see what what you which is what comes up on

745
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: trail cameras and from your settings and stuff. That will

746
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 1: be always interesting to see. It's you know, we we've

747
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 1: gone around around circles on it. It's high risk. But

748
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: if you think you've got the right opportunity, and I

749
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: think you can be high risk if you're not hunting

750
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: a certain stand all the time. I think you can

751
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: get aggressive this time of year, pop into a place

752
00:40:55,280 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: that maybe conditions won't be you know, let's say it's

753
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: not the rut, so, but if you're not hunting it,

754
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 1: I mean I only hunt the weekends this time of year,

755
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: so and I'm not hunting that stand. You know, I

756
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: haven't hunted that stand at all this year. Well, I

757
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: hunt it the previous weekend. I don't know. I don't

758
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: know what the wind conditions are going to be. I

759
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: don't know what the temperature and all that stuff is

760
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: gonna be, because that will dictate where I'm gonna set.

761
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: But you know, you've got to use all that information,

762
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: and that may say I mean I need to I

763
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 1: need to jump in there. Yeah. I think a big

764
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: thing too comes down to, like you said, you don't

765
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: have to hunt that same stand a lot because you have,

766
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: you know, so many hundreds of acres of land and

767
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: multiple opportunities where you can move around and shift or

768
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 1: your hunting. And if you do burn out one stand,

769
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: you know, in a morning hunt and you get spook

770
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: a deer something, you've got other options. You've got total

771
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: other places parts of the property where you know those

772
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: won't be affected. The guy that's hunting twenty acres and

773
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: that's all he has, that might be another story. But

774
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: when you have options, when you have you know, three

775
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: four acres or a couple different properties, um, you can

776
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: have the luxury of getting a little bit more aggressive,

777
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: trying different things because if it doesn't work, move on

778
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: the next spot. That's right. UM. So big takeaways for

779
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: me from mid October. Is you know understanding that you

780
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: know there is not necessarily low and activity, it's just

781
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: having to adjust. So adjust to those patterns and then

782
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: take advantage when you get those conditions that are going

783
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: to get a moving like we have this weekend, the cold,

784
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: the cold weather fronts, rising barometer, the correct moon rising

785
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: or setting times. And I checked your right, I was

786
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: wrong about the moon stuff. Misspoke on that um or

787
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: the overhead underfoot, all that stuff, all those things can move,

788
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: can get dearer moving maybe a little bit earlier and

789
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: give you that little ledge. So mid October you can

790
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: definitely still pull it off. So if you have a

791
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: smaller piece of property, my suggestion would be, or if

792
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,479
Speaker 1: you're not so confident in the reason, I'm jumping into

793
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: my good spot right now because I've been hunting this

794
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,240
Speaker 1: property for several years. If you haven't been hunting a property,

795
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: or you you had a smaller piece of property, now

796
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: would be an excellent time for an observation. Stand yes, yeah,

797
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: if you don't have this intel, if you don't feel

798
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: confident you know everything you just said, Dan, I absolutely agree,

799
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: this is the time to play it safe, um and

800
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: wait for that time period a little later in the year,

801
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: late October into the first couple of weeks in November,

802
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: when you can, you know, things are a little bit

803
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: more loosey goosey, that's right, And I feel like I've

804
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: been I drink a whole pot of coffee. I'm like

805
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: just so pumped to get out in the woods. I

806
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: feel like I could push a car. Dude. Those when

807
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: these when these weather fronts come through, it just gets

808
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: me just like that. Jack. There's there's nothing in my

809
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: opinion that if I had to, if I had to

810
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 1: look at just only one single thing, it's these temperature drops.

811
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 1: I can just plan my my sits around that. Everything

812
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: else helps a little bit, gives me a little bit

813
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,399
Speaker 1: of an edge. But this, when you see these cold

814
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: fronts come through, that is just a huge, huge, huge

815
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: influencer on dear movements. So I'm just constantly checking the

816
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 1: ten day forecast, praying for that big cold front, and

817
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: we finally got one. So so late October, let's real

818
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 1: quick move to that that last you know, I kind

819
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 1: of I look at October in like kind of three phases.

820
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: I don't know how you break it up in your head,

821
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: but I kind of look at October one through like

822
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: the seventh is kind of that early season time period

823
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: for me where there's some of that early pattern still

824
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 1: going on. They haven't necessarily been impacted by the hunting

825
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: pressure as much. Really, it's just the in spots like Michigan,

826
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: it's like the first couple of days. But after that

827
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: kind of seventh of October, I feel it's kind of that,

828
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: you know, we'll call it the lull or mid October whatever,

829
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: where they have they start shifting, the October shift. Maybe

830
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: we should call it um I kind of for me,

831
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: I look at that being like October seventh through like

832
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: the twenty three or somewhere around there is kind of

833
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: this period where they're they're shifting there, readjusting to changes,

834
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: and that's that time period where i've you know, like

835
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: we just talked about, I'm only getting aggressive if I

836
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: feel like there's a really good reason to do so,

837
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: otherwise playing it safe. But then when you get to

838
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:03,439
Speaker 1: like that tw fourth October, that last six seven days

839
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: in the month, I feel like you kind of enter

840
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: that next phase, that pre rut period of October that

841
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: I think can really be dynamite um, especially if you

842
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: know there's a buck that's local to your area. Because

843
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 1: that time period, these bucks are starting to get a

844
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: little edgy, they're starting to move a little bit more,

845
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: starting to take a few more risks, but they're still

846
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 1: staying local in their area. They're not ranging as much

847
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: as some of these bucks might in November. So you

848
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: have this opportunity if you know where homebody Buck is

849
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: during those last few days of October, you can catch

850
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: him before you start straying off the office usual patterns.

851
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: So that is a time period I get exceptionally excited about, right,

852
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: That's right. I I I hunt pretty much the same

853
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: all year. It's just that I'm making more moves towards

854
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: the end of October because there's more information on my

855
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: show cameras. Um the you know, like and I but

856
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: I agree with you. The early season the quote unquote,

857
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say it. The shift, the shift

858
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: and the shift and then the pre rut, and then

859
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: the pre rut is when I'm I'm hunting scrapes. I'm

860
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: hunting a lot of scrapes in the in the pre rut. Yeah,

861
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 1: and that's for a good reason. Studies have shown that

862
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: that last like around the I can't remember the exact

863
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: date rings, but there's a specific date range where a

864
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: couple of these studies of some of these different universities

865
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: have got maybe a Penn state or Mississippi state, or

866
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,280
Speaker 1: there's a number of these universities have got some pretty

867
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: strong research um programs related to deer and they've shown

868
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: that is the peak of scraping is that you know,

869
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:43,439
Speaker 1: pre rut just before November, deer hitting those scrapes a lot.

870
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: And if you're ever gonna hunt scrapes, I think that's

871
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: your your one best opportunity where they there will be

872
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: that draw to come check them. Right. So, I've got

873
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: one scrape on one of my Michigan properties here where

874
00:46:56,040 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: every single year, especially when they're standing corn, the eiser

875
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: bucks are hitting this scrape during daylight. I get trout

876
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 1: counter pictures of mature bucks on the scrape in daylight.

877
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: Every single year between like the eighteenth of October and

878
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: the October there's always someone hitting them. Um, you know,

879
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: it's not every single day all the time, but they're

880
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: gonna be there at some point if you're if you're

881
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: out there enough, you can catch them. So this this

882
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: time of year towards that pre run area, I think

883
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 1: right now they're they're they're doing a lot of nocturnal

884
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: scraping and they are rubbing. Two they're doing a lot rubbing.

885
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: So every every time you had a back out in

886
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: the woods, keep your eyes open because you're gonna see

887
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 1: a lot more rubs popping up over the next couple

888
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 1: of weeks. Yeah, very true. Now are you doing it?

889
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: You know, we've talked a lot about sign over the

890
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: past couple of years. But as you're walking into hunt somewhere,

891
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: if you see some rubs or scrape, are you ever

892
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: the type that's gonna pop up your stand right there

893
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: and hunt that because it looks fresh and used or

894
00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: or no, yes, if it is a new property, So

895
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: I'm I setting up on sign is great because there

896
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: has been deer there in the past, so you would

897
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: think that deer would come through again at some point.

898
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:18,280
Speaker 1: That's awesome, But that doesn't mean they're coming there every

899
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 1: day at the same time, or especially during daylight hours.

900
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 1: So what I do is, if I'm new to a property,

901
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 1: I'll set up over signed initially and then use that

902
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: as an observation to adjust my stand locations based on

903
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 1: where I'm seeing movement. Yeah, yeah, I think that that's

904
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: I think, you know, like you mentioned a little bit ago,

905
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: most of that activity is happening at night, but it

906
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: still is indicative of the fact that they are word

907
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 1: dear using this area at some point. And so if

908
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 1: you're just starting to learn, that's a great place to start. Yep,

909
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: that's starting to learn a property. Um On. The the

910
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: other way to look at it is, you know, if

911
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: you have a property where terrain and topography might funnel

912
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: deer movement to some degree, Like let's say, you know,

913
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 1: when you're king down a new property and we're trying

914
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: to figure out the basics of that property, right, you're

915
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: trying to identify, Okay, here's where I think the betting

916
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: airs are, Here's where I think the food sources are.

917
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 1: And then it's okay, how are they traveling between the two?

918
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: And especially for this newer basically most of October, those

919
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 1: are the main things you really have to understand. How

920
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: are you're getting from betting to feeding, and then how

921
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: do they move between the two, and then where do

922
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: I need to set up in between? So if you're

923
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: looking at things like terrain funnels or topography funnels, ridges, saddles,

924
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: um whatever, it might be setting up somewhere like they're

925
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,919
Speaker 1: we're when you're heading into one of those places like that,

926
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: when you do see sign within an area like that

927
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: that helps you narrow down. Okay, I thought that this

928
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: ridgeline would be where they're better, and I thought they'd

929
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: come down this and they'd feed in these two crop fields.

930
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: When I'm trying to fare where from my standard between

931
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: those two though, if you see a line of rubs,

932
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 1: or if you see a cluster of scrapes, Okay, now

933
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: I know from this hundred yard area. Now I know, okay,

934
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: this forty yard is probably the best yard of that

935
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: hundred yard. So it's a good way to narrow is down,

936
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: I think, ye exactly. And then you can, of course

937
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: then continue to narrow things down by using troil cameras,

938
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,760
Speaker 1: which we talk about a lot um as you're trying

939
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: to really figure out how these deer are using a

940
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: certain spot, and then that in that late October time frame,

941
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: what you're gonna get I think you're not gonna see

942
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: necessarily a huge change once you once you figure out

943
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: how deer of shifted in the middle in the middle

944
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,280
Speaker 1: of October, they're not going to all of a sudden

945
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,240
Speaker 1: change things a whole bunch on October twenty six, seventh

946
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: or something like that. But what you might get is

947
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: you might get that buck that's feeding in this food source,

948
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: coming from that betting area. He might do it twenty

949
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: minutes earlier on than he did on because he's starting

950
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: to get a little more amped up. He's wanting to

951
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: check those doughs, maybe just start feeling them out. That's

952
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: when you can start getting a little bit earlier movement.

953
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: You might be able to get away with a few

954
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: more things, and uh, they might step up miss up

955
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: a little bit. So it's all about I think again

956
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: at that time frame, as it is all year really,

957
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: but again watching the weather too. For me, it's when

958
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: those cold fronts hitting laid October again, that's gonna be

959
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: a huge trigger. That's really gonna get them going, and

960
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: you might start seeing some early rut action even at

961
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: that point, if you get a really solid cold front

962
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 1: hitting well. And uh, the prediction is calling for an

963
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: earlier rut quote unquote earlier this year. So I think

964
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: they said, you know, there could be a huge increased

965
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: movement by October this year is when some some of

966
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: the stuff could start kicking off, which you know, take

967
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: that for what it's worth. Yeah, And that's that's the

968
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: moon theory, the rutting moon theory that that, like you said,

969
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: exactly that twenty four time period. I think Charles L.

970
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: Scheimer theory about the moon's effect on the time of

971
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: the run or the intensity of the rut is indicating

972
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: supposedly that that will be when it's starting to kick off.

973
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: So something to keep in mind. Um, I hope it's

974
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 1: the case, because I will be in Ohio that time frame,

975
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: so I wouldn't mind seeing some extraction, right. And one

976
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: thing that I I'm gonna say is now, all, okay,

977
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: so I saw this. I saw this buck this weekend.

978
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: He comes into the field, he searches dominance, he puts

979
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: his head back, he chases some bucks off of the

980
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: off the field, he makes a scrape. His body was

981
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 1: showing me that he was aggressive and he was looking

982
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: to you know, basically not take crap from anybody. If

983
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: you see that, now might be a good time to

984
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: throw a grunt his way. Now, this weekend is the

985
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: first time I'm gonna I'm gonna take calls into the

986
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: timber with me rattling antlers and um and a grunt call. Yeah,

987
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: thanks good. It's a good point to make. This is

988
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: the it's gonna start ramping up from here. You can.

989
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: You know, I think every week you've got an opportunity

990
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: to maybe be a little bit more aggressive every week

991
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: once you say, yeah, you know, I'm not. I'm not

992
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 1: blind calling. I'm waiting to see if I first of all,

993
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: if I see a buck. If I do see him,

994
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, okay, let me look at his what

995
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,919
Speaker 1: his body's telling me. Is his body telling me he's

996
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: you know, he's piste off and he's making scrapes and

997
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: raking trees. Then I'll call at him. But if he's

998
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: not doing that this time, this time of year, no,

999
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 1: I'm not calling it at him at all. Yeah, it's

1000
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: definitely for me. On the same thing, I'm not doing

1001
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 1: any blind calling all. I'll only grunt. And at this

1002
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: point I'm still relatively non aggressive with that grunt. If

1003
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: there's a deer that I see that I just needed

1004
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: to come in a little bit more, just try to

1005
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: get him little aggressive, I think. Um. But but yeah, interesting,

1006
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: interesting thing though to note the first three hunts of

1007
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: the season, well maybe it's the first two, and then

1008
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: two months later, my first night hunting, I saw two

1009
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:47,240
Speaker 1: different sets of bucks sparring. The second night of my season,

1010
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: I saw two bucks sparring, and then this weekend on

1011
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: the ninth, I had two bucks sparring. As I was

1012
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,839
Speaker 1: walking out, I could hear him. So I've never had

1013
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: that Four different times, having bucks barring in the first

1014
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 1: nine days of October. That was interesting to me and

1015
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,720
Speaker 1: just indicative of the fact that even in the early season,

1016
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: you know, they are nothing aggressive, you know, just kind

1017
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: of tickling the times and kind of just feeling around.

1018
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: But there is something to be said that these deer

1019
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: are starting to just kind of feel their oats and

1020
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 1: just kind of test their limits at this point. And

1021
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: then as the month goes on, that just gets more

1022
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 1: and more serious, until you get to November, when all

1023
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: of a sudden things get potentially nasty. I get real, Yeah, yeah,

1024
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: that's the truth. I'll tell you what. Down in Ohio,

1025
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: there's you know, so many nice mature bucks. I swear,

1026
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 1: one of these days, it hasn't happened for me yet,

1027
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: but one of these days down there, I'm gonna put

1028
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: the decoy out and I'm gonna rattle, and just a

1029
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: toad is gonna come, just piling in, and I just

1030
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: dream of it, and I can't wait. One of these

1031
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: days gonna happen. I can just see it now, this

1032
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: huge five year old puffed up and ears back and

1033
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,720
Speaker 1: drill coming out of his mouth, just like just stiff

1034
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: legging it up and then starts angling in and then

1035
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 1: I start shaking into my hands, won't stop, and man,

1036
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: it's gonna be cool, and he's gonna pile drive the

1037
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: decoy and run away before and get a shot or

1038
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: the window knock over the decoy. But but it's a

1039
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: good dream until then. That's right. I got a question

1040
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: for you, and maybe I know we're we're coming up

1041
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,879
Speaker 1: on time here pretty soon, but I want to know

1042
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 1: how you're going to approach your Iowa property. Okay, the

1043
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: only scouting you've really done is what a quick walk

1044
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: through and maybe some maps. That's exactly what I got.

1045
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: And one one thing you said that I was just

1046
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: kind of kind of made me tense was you said

1047
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 1: you're gonna go check trail cameras, but you know you're

1048
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: not gonna hunt it. How do you know you're not

1049
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: gonna hunt that property. So I have two different farms

1050
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 1: that I can hunt, and one of them, you know,

1051
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: it's acres acres, that's a lot of lands. So I'm

1052
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: seeing here like, you know, how can I how do

1053
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: I narrow this down? Um? And so my thought process

1054
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: that I've done a lot of scouting, just digital scouting,

1055
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 1: really paying attention to the maps, um, trying to figure

1056
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: out much that kind about the area. And so my

1057
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: thought process for this weekend was check cameras on both properties,

1058
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 1: set out more cameras on both properties. Um. And then

1059
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: I was looking at two different ideas. One try to

1060
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: put you know, I only have three I've two days,

1061
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,399
Speaker 1: maybe two and a half days to hunt. So it's

1062
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: do I do one day on one property, one day

1063
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: on the other property, or do I try to double

1064
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: down on one and just learn a lot more about

1065
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 1: that one and let the cameras just work on the

1066
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: other one and then when the rut comes, Okay, I've

1067
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: got cameras run on both, and I've got you know,

1068
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: a decent sample set of time on the one that

1069
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,879
Speaker 1: I think as the highest potential. That's kind of where

1070
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: my that's kind of where my head's at right now,

1071
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: because there's no way to learn twelve acres of property

1072
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 1: in two days. You know, I just I can't do that.

1073
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: So it's it's more so do I go really thin

1074
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: across everything or to try to go a little bit

1075
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: deeper on a smaller section. So my thought process at

1076
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 1: this point is has let the cameras work on the one. Now,

1077
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 1: if I go to that property Friday morning, I check

1078
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: that camera and that's loaded up with mature deer and

1079
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 1: the other one isn't, well, then that's going to change

1080
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: this completely. Um. But I'm working on assumptions right now,

1081
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: and my assumptions that this one might be worth a

1082
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: little bit more time. So again we'll see. I'm gonna

1083
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: check that camera, check those cameras. The first night I'm

1084
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: playing Hunting Property, the West Properties what I call it.

1085
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: And you know, we'll see what happens that night. Maybe

1086
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: I see something, maybe I don't, or maybe I find

1087
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: out there's a whole bunch of hunters out there. Um.

1088
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna be adjusting. It's gonna be a

1089
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 1: lot of trying things and adjusting. Um. So that's my

1090
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: approach to this weekend. Um. Then from then I'm gonna hopefully,

1091
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 1: you know, learned a handful of things. I'm trying to

1092
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: get a handful of trail cameras. I'm both properties, just

1093
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: so I can learn a little bit while I'm not there.

1094
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep on studying those maps, and then when

1095
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: I come back, I'm gonna be coming back and starting

1096
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,479
Speaker 1: to hunt on Halloween and hunting Halloween through like November seven.

1097
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: So at that time, it's just going to be taking

1098
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: everything I learned from that first weekend, checking on the

1099
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: cameras and I get there, and then just trying to, okay,

1100
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: based on what I learned about some deer movement or

1101
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: where other hunters are something, where do I think the

1102
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: absolute best funnels are for the rut? You know those

1103
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 1: generic rut type sets that you know, even though I

1104
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: don't know much about the property, just based on the terrain,

1105
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: this should be good movement or should be an air

1106
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: of good movement. And then I'm just gonna have to

1107
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: start trying them and seeing what happens. So I think

1108
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: that's gonna be the biggest challenge for me is just

1109
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: figuring out, you know, how do I how do I

1110
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: properly allocate my time between these two spots? Do I

1111
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: do I bounce around all the time, or do I

1112
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: double down on one and really focus on learning that.

1113
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: And I think there's a risk of like trying to

1114
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: try too many things, but then there's the risk of

1115
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: getting tunnel vision and what. I don't know. There's no

1116
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: perfect answer. I think I'm just gonna have to learn

1117
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: as I go. I think you gonna throw out some

1118
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 1: mock scrapes. Yeah, I'll be putting cameras on mock scrapes

1119
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: for sure. Um. That's one of my favorite things to

1120
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: do at this time of years, just to get the

1121
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: cameras on that, because at least I can learn, okay,

1122
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: what deer in the area, and then you know, I

1123
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: can get an idea of what time of day they're

1124
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: in that general area too, so that'll be helpful. Um.

1125
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: And you know sometime I'm starting to do now is

1126
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 1: just put mock scrapes in front of as many of

1127
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 1: my tree stands as I can, not because I think

1128
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: that they're gonna be like the reason why I'm gonna

1129
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: hunt that tree stand, but because I think it's like

1130
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 1: a tree stand. Um optimizer is what I've been saying. UM.

1131
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: I wrote a blog post about this earlier this week,

1132
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: just you know, if you have a scrape in front

1133
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: of stand, even though that's not necessarily why a deer

1134
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 1: is going to come through this area. If he's coming

1135
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 1: through this area for another reason, which is why I

1136
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: put the stand there, if he does happen to come

1137
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: through like I thought he would, you know, there's a

1138
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: chance that maybe that little mock scrape will bring him

1139
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: in the extra ten yards I need to get that shot,

1140
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: or it might get him to pause for three seconds

1141
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: so I can get that shot when if it wasn't there,

1142
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: maybe he would have walked right through that student lane.

1143
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: So for those couple of little reasons, I think it's

1144
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 1: worth putting something like that out there, just because in

1145
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 1: many cases, if there is a scrape, you know, if

1146
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 1: a deer is passing through when he happens to see it,

1147
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: there was a good chance he'll at least stop to

1148
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 1: briefly check it out. So that's how I'm using them

1149
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 1: this year. Well, I hope it all pays off for you,

1150
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 1: buddy man. I hope so too. It's either going to

1151
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 1: be an awesome story of figuring out these properties and

1152
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 1: finding a way to have success, or it's going to

1153
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: be a miserable, embarrassing failure. Well wait, wait a second,

1154
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you right now, all this all this talk,

1155
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 1: You've wroteen articles about it, I've wrote written articles about

1156
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 1: it about you know, not taking shortcuts and all this stuff.

1157
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now, on this pile property, you

1158
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: are going to be tearing down and setting up a lot,

1159
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: especially if this is a brand new This is a

1160
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: brand new property. So although you already know this, I'm

1161
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: going to tell you no short no shortcuts. Mark appreciate

1162
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: the reminder. There's definitely gonna be some days where I'm

1163
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 1: gonna be sitting there thinking, man, I do not want

1164
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: to move this, but I know I'm gonna have to.

1165
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: So I'm just I'm preparing myself for a lot of

1166
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to say miserable moments, but just moments

1167
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 1: of just saying, uh yeah, just pound to five hour

1168
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: energy and then just do it. Yeah exactly. Man, it's

1169
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 1: gonna be. It's gonna be a grind, it's gonna be

1170
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a challenge. I know it's gonna be.

1171
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 1: But I think there's, you know, definitely potential to to

1172
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 1: have some fun too. So I'm pumped sometimes even knowing

1173
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: our property really, really well can keep you from making

1174
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 1: the adjustments that you need to right you get too

1175
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 1: comfortable exactly. So I think you mean we'll definitely have

1176
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: plenty of talk about in the coming weeks because we're

1177
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 1: gonna be testing a bunch of our theories and our

1178
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: assumptions and seeing if some of these things can come

1179
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 1: together for us. So I'm excited to see what does happen.

1180
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 1: Good luck to you, and good luck to all of

1181
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 1: our listeners. Thank you, sir, and I agree, good luck

1182
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 1: to everyone out there. And on that note, I think

1183
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: we should wrap up the show. Um. As we ask

1184
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 1: every week, if you've been enjoying the show, it would

1185
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 1: be awesome if you could leave us a rating or

1186
01:01:55,760 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 1: review on iTunes. I think we have fifty reviews right now, UM,

1187
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 1: of which they're here in forty seven or five star reviews.

1188
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 1: So thank you so much to everyone out there who

1189
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: has been reviewing the podcast. That is the biggest influencer

1190
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 1: on us getting new listeners, So thanks so much for

1191
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 1: helping us achieve that goal. UM. Also make sure check

1192
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: out the White Tail Q and A podcast, which is

1193
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 1: uh my second podcast where I'm answering quick listeners submitted

1194
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 1: questions that definitely think will be of interest. Um. I

1195
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 1: think other than that, we just need to thank our

1196
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: partners who do make this podcast possible. And you know,

1197
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 1: we are very appreciative of that. These guys have stepped

1198
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: out on a limb and helped us keep the lights on.

1199
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 1: It takes time, energy, money, all those things to make

1200
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 1: a podcast like this, so big thank you to sick Gear, Trophy, Ridge,

1201
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 1: Bear Archery, Redneck Blinds, on Terror Maps, Ozonics, Carbon Express,

1202
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: Lacrosse Boots, and the White Tail Institute of North America.

1203
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: Thank you to all those companies. One more thing, Dan,

1204
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: you know what where you're saying the harness, that's that's

1205
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 1: a great piece of advice. After your safety harness, say

1206
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 1: it again? What was that? Dan? Where are your safety

1207
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 1: It's not hard? I mean, I'm already seeing guys slip

1208
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 1: out of the tree. I had I, um, not this weekend,

1209
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 1: but last weekend I slipped my boots. My boots had

1210
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 1: some mud on it. I slipped while I was climbing

1211
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 1: into my stand from the top step, and I you know,

1212
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 1: I had to catch myself on my safety harness. You know, luckily,

1213
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,439
Speaker 1: my safety harness was on and it was really tight,

1214
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 1: So I didn't fall hardly at all, But where are

1215
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 1: your safety harness? Yeah? That's scary. How fast something like

1216
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 1: that can happen? Yeah, So one other update, and probably

1217
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 1: everyone's already signed off by now, but if you're still listening,

1218
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: you get a little sneak peek. I am checking my

1219
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 1: Iowa trail cameras, like I just mentioned. And so what

1220
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: that means, Dan, is that we are going to have

1221
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 1: our final results in for the trail camera contest. That's right.

1222
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 1: So here's what I want to know. We have two

1223
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 1: bucks on right now that are really similar in size. Okay,

1224
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 1: so how are we going to do this? You know,

1225
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: I can't say my bucks bigger and you can't say

1226
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 1: your bucks bigger. Or is it going to be up

1227
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 1: to the viewers to have a vote to see whose

1228
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 1: buck is actually the biggest? Yeah? I think what we

1229
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 1: have to do is we have to you know, like

1230
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 1: I think we talked a month or two ago about

1231
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 1: this one idea where maybe we try to get a

1232
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 1: couple of like expert guesses on score. But then you know,

1233
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: if we can get that, great, we'll add that as

1234
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: like some context. But otherwise we get whatever pictures we

1235
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 1: have with that buck, of each buck, put them out

1236
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 1: there and then just let them vote which one do

1237
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 1: you think has the highest gross score? And I think

1238
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 1: and to even add it add to the to it,

1239
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 1: I think we need to because I think we have

1240
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 1: more than each have a buck. I have two bucks

1241
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 1: that are probably close to the same size, and I

1242
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 1: think you have two bucks that are close to the

1243
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 1: same size. Uh well, I do have one that I've

1244
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 1: got two that are pretty big, um, but I think

1245
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 1: one definitely scores better. But I can we can put

1246
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 1: them both out there. I say, I say we bring

1247
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 1: our top two the table and then and then let

1248
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 1: the listeners decide, because I think Mark Kenyon is just

1249
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 1: as big as Gordon Bombay. They're studs from an inches standpoint, Yeah,

1250
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 1: there's studs. And then when I win, see call up

1251
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: my buddy Rick Flair, and that'll be an interesting episode

1252
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 1: if it ever happens, but unfortunately probably won't. I'm sorry, man,

1253
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 1: because Junkyard is a stud. Yeah he's a slave. But

1254
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 1: they're they're all big deer. And I think we're actually

1255
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 1: really stupid lucky that we both have a couple of

1256
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 1: deer like that run around our farms. That's that's pretty crazy,

1257
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 1: very very blest. Well, hopefully maybe we'll maybe both of

1258
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 1: us wind up killing one of these deer and we'll

1259
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 1: have the best year ever. Ye and then uh yeah,

1260
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 1: if I kill Mark Kenyon or Tupac or Gordon Bombay

1261
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 1: or any of my other hitlisters, you'll hear me scream

1262
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 1: like a little school girl. From wherever you're at, You'll

1263
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 1: be like, did I just hear a girl scream? Dallas?

1264
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: Much of the shot about, well, I hope I could

1265
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 1: to hear that. Well, with all that said, take a drink.

1266
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 1: Thanks for Johnny, thanks for joining us, have a great week,

1267
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 1: good luck hunting, and stay wired to hunt. H