WEBVTT - Big Red Rage - It's Time For Zaven Collins 0:00:02.080 --> 0:00:05.520 Strap on the boots and scrape up the knuckles ahead. 0:00:05.600 --> 0:00:10.480 He got Jack. This is the Big Red Rain presented 0:00:10.520 --> 0:00:14.800 by Santanford in Gilbert. Mary's gonna score touchdown. Slim to 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:17.800 the ground by Buddha Baker Like a torpedo. He came 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:23.119 flying into the backfield. The rage is brought to you 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:29.040 by satan Ford in Gilbert. Are you Santanford State Farm? 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:32.199 Talk to an agent today at eight hundred State Farm, 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:37.840 And by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit Hacy Cardinals dot Com, 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:46.040 Slash podcasts, The Rods Rising ard, temperature rising vision, flurring, 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:50.680 rage taking over. Here's Paul CALVC. Get the popcorn ready, 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:53.639 It's gonna be a show and Ron will flip. It 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:59.920 doesn't get any better than that. Unleash the far n 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:07.600 wollefully are you ready ready for a metaphor? Oh? No, actually, 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:09.840 I mean are you ready to broadcast period? Isn't this 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:11.440 normally a time of year you take your two week 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:14.720 vacation spring break vacation in Hawaii? So it's a matter 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:20.720 of fact, Paul, I was born ready yesterday at Casa KALBC. 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:28.240 You know what arrived? Don't answer that I knew I 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:31.560 shouldn't give any time to answer that a Christmas card 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:36.039 from my parents, a holiday card arrived yesterday, that was 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:40.559 mailed on December twenty first. I mean, I could show 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:43.520 you the postmark right here. It's right on the envelope. 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:46.000 It's stamped official alike from the United States Postal Service, 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:48.840 officially mailed from San Jose, California, on December twenty first, 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:54.520 and it arrives in our mailbox on March nine. So 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:58.680 what is going on with bad ball? I'm just saying, 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:01.840 maybe it's a reminder tis this season right now, the 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:05.360 offseason free agency is about to get you know, sometimes 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:09.280 things might take a little longer, maybe maybe a lot 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:12.680 longer than you might expect. You know, maybe this applies 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:14.760 to free agency and are reminder to everyone, all the 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:17.200 players out there, just hole tight, hang on. You know what, 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:21.320 your bag is gonna arrive eventually, you know, just like 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:23.040 the holiday card that had the checks in it for 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:25.960 the kids. So the young punks their bag finally arrived 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:28.720 three months late. Okay, Polly, there you go. Where are 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:31.040 you going with all of this? Paul? All right? I 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:34.760 know I interrupted you a couple of times, but where 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:37.800 exactly are you going with that we got plenty of news, 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:40.320 do we not. We're waiting. We're waiting for the official 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:43.000 start of everything to arrive, and you know, and it's 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:45.680 gonna take a little bit longer perhaps, and everyone anticipates, 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:47.880 and there's some players maybe a little more anxious than 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:51.040 others and impatient than others. But we're starting to get 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:53.200 the news, are we not. We're starting to get some 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:55.560 of these maneuvers. And here on the Big Red Rage 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:58.400 in a moment, it will be starring Rob Frederickson, right, 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:01.600 longtime NFL linebacker, Cardinal's analyst. He's going to join us 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:04.040 here for a couple of segments on the Big Red Rage, 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:06.560 presented by Santan Ford and Gilbert. We'll get into all this, 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:08.760 But how about some headlines right off the top? Roun willfully, 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:12.359 how about some news to get this week started? When 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:16.520 we got the news that Jordan Hicks was released your role? Yeah, 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:18.919 you know what, Honestly, Polly, I think you could see 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:21.680 this coming a mile away. You know, I know you 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:24.920 feel this way as well about Jordan Hicks. There's not 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:28.200 a guy in that locker room that I respect more 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:32.200 than Jordan Hicks in what he actually went through last year. 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:35.520 It's been well documented. We all understand it. At the 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:38.200 same time, you could see it coming a mile away. 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:40.400 For the most part, not only because you're gonna save 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:43.400 six and a half million dollars off the cap, of course, 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:47.240 but also because it is time for Zaven Collins. It's 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:52.240 his time having a whole off season actually getting in 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:55.120 some field work out there, Polly and then in the 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:59.480 classroom as well. This offseason is a major grosberg for 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:02.400 Zaven Collins. You can see this coming a mile away. 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:05.920 It's zavn or bust. And what we talk about last month, 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:09.200 the reality this situation is, at least in my opinion, 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:11.720 if you would have brought Jordan Hicks back, guess what happens. 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:16.080 Exactly what happened last training camp. He beats out Saving Collins. 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:19.240 So you can't have that. You just can't have him 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:22.560 on the roster because just based on his football IQ 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:26.280 alone and his ability to call that defense and the 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:29.159 trust factor that I'm sure exists with the coaches, and 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:31.080 the fact they can send him out there and based 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:33.640 on an offense is doing, Jordan Hicks can immediately check 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:36.719 into a subcall two or three different audibles that comes 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:40.080 off the original based defensive call. You know what, you 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:42.279 got a sink or swim if you're saving Collins and 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:44.239 you're not going to learn how to play that position 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:47.680 unless you're actually playing the position. Yeah, and you know 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:49.880 what too, Poli, I think they wanted to send that 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:53.640 message right now to Zavan Collins. Send that message it's 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:57.960 time for you to take charge as the mic linebacker 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:01.200 of this team. It's time for you we evolve into 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:05.280 being a mic linebacker in the National Football League. I 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:09.600 think again this postseason they wanted to set that precedent early. 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:12.120 It's not only again the fact that it's six and 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:14.560 a half million dollars off the cap. That's a big 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:18.200 deal right there, but also jes Zavian Collins has got 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:22.839 to take the reins and understand that the responsibility is 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:26.880 on him to get himself ready to play in twenty 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:29.400 twenty two. In Paulli, I think he's going to be 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:33.000 able to do it. I do again, with another off season, 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:37.200 with all of the classroom time he's gonna get, with 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:39.760 all of the tape that he's gonna watch, Paully, we 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:42.200 know he's a smart kid. We know that he's a 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:46.920 smart kid. So because of that, let all that athletic 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:50.920 goodness take over and start it right from the very beginning. 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:53.119 And I think that's the message that the the Cardinals wanted 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:55.240 a son. Yeah, he has every skill set. You're right, 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:58.400 he has these measurables. He has the athleticism, he has 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:00.640 the IQ. There's no doubt about it. He's about to 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:03.600 fill some really big shoes. You're talking about a middle 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:06.599 linebacker with one hundred sixteen tackles, number two on the 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:10.000 team to Jayalen Thompson. He played ninety seven percent of 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:12.839 the defensive snaps, most of anybody on the defense, So 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:14.960 you know it's a big deal. He was voted to 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:18.760 captain by his peers. Yeah, obviously called the defense. So okay, 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:20.760 all eyes, to your point, are gonna be on Zavin 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:24.000 Collins when the offseason practices begin. There's no doubt about it. 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:27.520 Devon Knard, he was scheduled have a cap hit of 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:32.159 nine million plus. He has risk structured reportedly and according 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:35.200 to his own social media, so boom, Devon Knard is 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:37.440 back on board. But there's some more cap savings and 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:41.400 you see how they're maneuvering and trying to create room. Right, Yeah, no, 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:44.120 you're you're right. About that, PAULI that's exactly what they're 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:46.080 trying to do. It does help that the cap is 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:48.520 going up, what twenty six million dollars, Paul, is a 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:51.400 twenty seven or yeah, it's it's gonna end up right 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:53.640 about two oh eight and change. Okay, there you go, 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:56.880 two oh eight and change twenty six twenty seven million 0:06:56.920 --> 0:07:00.960 dollars increase. That's gonna be huge for the Arizona Cardinals. 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:04.280 I'm sure that Steve Kim is going to appreciate that. 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:07.000 But you know, this is what happens every year. You 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:10.040 go ahead and you've got to restructure these contracts. At 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:12.120 some point in time, we're gonna have to pay the piper. 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:16.800 But Steve Kim was actually talking about that very thing. 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:19.400 But I think right now you've got to go ahead, 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:22.400 look at your roster. What can you possibly do to 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:25.400 free up some cap space? It's that time of year, Paul. 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:30.000 And then we got the big news, big big news 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:33.800 out of the NFC West as Russell Wilson is heading 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:37.679 to the AFC West, as Denver pulls off the deal, 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:41.200 and it was a big deal to me. I'm shocked 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:43.640 that Seattle actually agreed to the deal. I don't care 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:46.280 how many picks if you're going to rebuild that thing, 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:48.280 I would have kept the quarterback and gotten rid of 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:51.560 everyone else, And they went the exact opposite direction. Your 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:57.720 reaction to Russell Wilson leaving the division, Yeah, baby, I mean, honestly, Paula, 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:00.960 you know the law. I love the NFC West because 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:04.480 it's the beating heart of the football universe. It was 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:08.800 the beating heart it was of the football universe. I 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:12.000 thought it was the best football you could possibly play 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:16.120 in the universe as human beings. The highest level our 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:19.680 species can generate was found in the NFC West. Now, 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:22.320 all of a sudden, that no longer is going to 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:26.240 be the case going forward, And look no further than 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:30.120 the quarterback room. Yes, you've got Matthew Stafford still there 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:34.079 in LA, but Trey Lance is taking over the reins 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:38.320 in San Francisco. Hold onto your butts right there. Russell 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:42.040 Wilson is no longer playing for the Seattle Seahawks. That 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:46.520 is huge. You're gonna tell me right now that Kyler Murray, 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:50.760 if in fact everything is copasetic and everything happens the 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:53.760 way we think it's probably going to happen, where he 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:57.000 is going to be extended this offseason. Kyler Murray is 0:08:57.000 --> 0:08:59.920 going to be the longest tendered quarterback in the nf 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:03.000 C West. We could do a whole show, I think 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:07.200 on our mutual respect for Russell Wilson, right just watching 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:10.080 him over the entirety of his career twice a year. 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:15.080 Everything he didn an offensive line minus playmakers at times, 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:17.400 at times with an average defense. There was one reason, 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:19.880 and one reason only many years the Seahawks weren't a 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:23.080 six win team, and that was because of Russell Wilson. 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:25.400 So you have that he's out of the NFC's into 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:27.280 the AFC West. We'll get into that more a little 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:30.440 bit later in the show. Aaron Rodgers staying in Green Bay. 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:33.560 And then the big headline today, just when he thought 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:35.680 baseball was going to steal all the headlines, guess what. 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:40.720 Khalil Mack delta the Chargers from the Bears. Just hey, 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:42.560 if the other teams are gonna load up at quarterback 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:44.839 in the FC West, the Chargers say, we're gonna get 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:47.280 after the quarterback. We're pairing up Khalil Mack with Joey 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:50.240 bo Yeah, and the ding ding ding ding dang man. 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:54.920 That is it. Thunder and lightning out in La. Once again. 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:58.200 Hey joined the Airs on a Cardinal season ticket priority 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:01.120 lists with a twenty twenty two season. I mean check 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:04.000 out the schedule. Not only the nfcust you got the Buccaneers, 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:07.600 you got the Saints, the Chiefs, Chargers, Patriots, and Eagles. 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:11.840 At Zacy Cardinals dot com slash priority list for more information. 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:15.440 Rob Frederickson on deck, we'll talk about all this. We'll 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:18.800 talk about that linebacker position for the Cardinals. Was someone 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:21.480 who played that position. Next on the big Red Rage 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:31.480 presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert hands it off, no 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:34.000 running room off the right side and back of loss 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:37.840 up two on the play, Zaban Collins the first guy there, 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:41.240 and that is a big man coming down from the 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:46.480 week's side, shooting the gap. Saban Collins again throws over 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:48.320 the middle, tipped into the air and then complained he 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:50.960 was going for his tight end. Path was off the mark. 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:54.800 Xaban Collins at coverage that time and it's fourth down. 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:59.040 Saban Collins bats that fall into the air with all 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:02.760 of that use check in motion. It is a quarterback 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:06.120 drop the middle. Lance's head drives the legs forward, gonna 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:10.000 be close. The forty nine ers are short Saban Collins 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:14.320 with the tackle. Saban Collins, the rookie at two sixty 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:19.280 playing downhill, came in and laid some lumber, baby, And 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:22.800 you're not kidding, Wolf, I mean I remember vividly rookie 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:25.240 Mini Camp a year ago standing next to him in 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:28.720 the sideline of life. This dude's a middle linebacker six five, 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:32.480 two sixty and our Jim al mondro into his archives. 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:34.880 So a little highlight montage there. We'll see if that's 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:37.440 the launching path, right, We'll see if that's just the 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:41.040 start of a long, productive career in the NFL. Heck, 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:44.400 we remember his very first snap as an Arizona Cardinal 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:47.080 in August in the preseason where he shot the gap 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:49.760 on the first snap from scrimmage and it was a TfL, 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:52.599 a tackle for loss against Dallas. Remember that in the preseason. 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:55.400 Is his very first play as a pro. Yeah, no 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:57.959 doubt about it, Bully, I do remember that, and that's 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:00.440 something he's got to do a little bit more, no 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:03.080 doubt about it. So let's see what's in store for 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:05.839 Zamon Collins. And then we'll let's zoom out around beyond 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:08.480 the linebacker room and the entire Cardinals defense. How about 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:11.880 longtime NFL linebacker, former Cardinal, former Raiders first round pick 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:15.080 Rob Frederickson on the Big Red Rate presented by Santan 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:18.360 Ford and Gilbert Freddie. How are we doing tonight, Hey, 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:20.640 Paul Wolf, how are you guys doing. I'm doing great, 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:23.920 We're doing great, Buddy doing great. Man, Just thinking about 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:27.760 that inside linebacker room right now? What are your thoughts 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:31.040 right now as it stands with the news of Jordan Hicks, 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:35.480 of course, what are your thoughts on that room right now? Well, obviously, 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:38.240 Jordan Hicks was kind of the glue that kept that 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:42.600 defense together last year, and just I mean, aside from 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:46.320 his play on the field, he's such a great leader 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:49.200 in the locker room. He's going to be missed. But 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:53.600 when you use your two first round picks the last 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:58.079 two years on inside linebackers, those guys got to play 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:00.559 and they have to step up and and now is 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:04.679 the time? Are they inside linebackers? Isaiah Simmons we saw 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:07.880 him again this year, you know, used in a really 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:10.480 versatile way. He was in the slot quite a bit, 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:12.080 he was on the edge quite a bit, and then 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:14.400 Zavian coms to get him on the field and the 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:16.480 latter half of the season, he was on the edge. 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:18.520 Now at the combine, Steve Kimes said, no, no no, no, 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:22.080 we're keeping him inside linebacker, middle linebacker spot. But I mean, 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:24.720 what did you see out of them and where do 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:28.960 you think their ideal positions are? Well? I think Isaiah 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:32.920 Simmons really as big as asset is his versatility and 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:36.320 his ability to play multiple positions. But at the end 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:39.400 of the day, I think he's going to spend the 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:44.079 majority of his time in that inside linebacker position. He 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:46.320 does have the ability to rush off the edge, he 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:50.720 has ability to play a deep safety, play a slot corner. 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:55.160 He's that versatile, he's that good, he's that talented, But 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:57.080 you know they are going to need him in that 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:03.640 inside mynebacker position. Versely, Zaven Collins, he is an inside linebacker. 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:07.360 He is a prototypical middle linebacker, bigger than probably anyone 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:11.280 in the NFL. But you know, and he struggled at 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:13.960 times last year a lot. He struggled a lot. So 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:17.199 did Isaiah Simmons in his first year. But the biggest 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:20.600 growth really comes in that transition from the first year 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:22.840 to the second year. And now is the time for 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:26.920 these guys to learn from their mistakes last year, absorb 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:29.960 the defense. They have another year under their belts. It's 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:34.080 time for them to make that natural next level step. Freddie, 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:37.400 did you think that Isaiah Simmons hit a wall last year? 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:40.280 At some point? Do you think he hit that rookie wall, 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:42.680 because I thought he trailed off the last maybe four 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:48.320 or five games Isaiah Simmons. Yes, yeah, you know, I do. 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:52.600 I think he did. I think teams, you know, figured 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:55.160 out that, you know, this guy is so athletic, let's 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:57.880 let's run the ball right at him. And he struggled 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:03.440 quite honestly at times, just with the physicality, the physicalness 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:07.280 of that rushing attack. When you know, if you run 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:10.280 the ball to the outside as an offense, that's playing 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:12.680 right into Isaiah Simmons game, he will run you down 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:16.520 and he will be effective. But coming right off at him, 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:20.400 I think is difficult for him. He's an undersized guy. 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:23.840 He's he's a little light. He will come up and 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:26.760 hit you. But coming up and hitting a running back 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.240 or a wide receiver is different than coming up and 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:32.520 hitting a three hundred and twenty pound offensive lineman that's 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:35.040 coming Scott Free off at you. Yeah, And Freddie, I 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:38.360 said the rookie wall I did not mean that, obviously 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:41.120 because his second year right there, but he seemed to 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:44.280 hit a wall. That's what I meant. He seemed to understood, 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:48.560 and I think he did. You know, he's again he's 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:53.080 playing a position that is still somewhat foreign to him. 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:56.080 He didn't spend the majority of his time in college 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:59.640 at Clemson playing an inside linebacker position. They moved him 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:01.760 all over. I think he probably spent the majority of 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:05.160 his snaps in college playing a safety position or a 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:08.640 smart corner. So this is still fairly new to him, 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:10.760 and things happen a lot quicker when you're in the 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:14.600 inside linebacker position. You know, when you say about teams 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.640 going straight at Isaiah Simmons, that reminds me. Guys, So 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:21.200 the first couple of years of Daryl Washington when he 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:23.280 was a two hundred and twenty pound linebacker and they 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:25.160 just go right after him because he was still good 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:28.120 sideline to sideline. Now, he obviously evolved and he adapted 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:31.240 and he became really effective until his career flamed out. 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:33.600 But you know, I wonder if he can make that 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:36.120 same sort of evolution. And we're on board with Rob 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:38.720 Fredericks and former Cardinals linebacker. Let me go back to 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:41.240 Zaman Collins when you said he had his rookie struggles 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:43.360 and Isaiah Simmons had some as well, and then obviously 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:46.240 he blossom last year in a lot of ways. Specifically, 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:49.840 where do you think Zaman Collins needs to improve the most. 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:56.160 The NFL game is so much more complex versus college, right, 0:16:56.240 --> 0:17:00.200 And when offenses in the NFL are so much more complex, 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:05.680 when they start shifting motioning guys, oftentimes the coverage will 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:08.600 change with that motion or with that shift, the blitz 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:12.440 will change, the front will change. You have to reprogram 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:15.320 and reset within a split second your mind as to 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:19.159 what are now my responsibilities within this new defense that 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:23.360 just was created because of a motion or a shift, 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:26.959 and you know, and then the ball snapped and you 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:31.040 have to react and you have to identify is it 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:33.359 a run, is it a pass? What are my responsibilities? 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:35.760 What are my run gap responsibilities? What are my pass 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:42.080 drop responsibilities? And the defense changed within the motion. Things 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:45.800 happen so fast that it can be overwhelming. And that's 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:48.199 when you see mental errors or you see indecision. And 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:51.800 when there's indecision, especially in the run game or pass game, 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:57.399 quite quite Honestly, that's when you see mistakes and teams 0:17:57.400 --> 0:18:02.159 offenses quarterbacks are so good at pinpointing that and exploiting 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:05.520 those weaknesses or those missteps. Guys, I'm telling you right now, 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:09.200 I am really, really jacked. I'm excited about the inside 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:13.640 linebacker room because of Zaven Collins and because of Isaiah Simmons, 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:16.760 because I do believe the off season they're going to 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:20.160 get exactly what it is they need. Think of Isaiah Simmons, Guys, 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:24.480 right now, in his two off seasons, the pandemic off seasons, 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:29.360 stop and think of Isaiah Simmons. Yeah, this kid man, 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:31.960 I'll tell you what. I think this offseason is going 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:34.680 to do him a world of good. And I say 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:38.640 the exact same thing for Zaven Collins. Isaiah Simmons took 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:41.560 a huge step forward in year or two from his 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:45.200 rookie year, and again the off seasons that he's had 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:48.080 right here where you learn so much and you grow 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:53.399 Freddie so much. I expect Zaven Collins is going to 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:58.000 benefit greatly from this offseason and Isaiah Simmons as well 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:01.480 to actually have a normal off season a year three. 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:06.240 I think they will wolf one thing that I think 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:09.800 could also benefit them and could also help them is 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:14.760 focusing and from everything that I've heard and read and seen, 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:17.760 it's not really a major focus. But if you if 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:21.320 you as a Cardinals focused on the interior defensive line. 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:24.840 I know we talk about the need for the outside 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:29.640 pass rushers and cornerbacks, but that interior defensive line because 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:32.200 the Cardinals were getting gashed last year. Let's be honest 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:38.440 in the run game, that would benefit these two guys immensely. 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:42.680 To get just a run plug and stuff and defensive 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:46.760 interior defensive linemen in there that is consistent, that can 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:51.679 stay healthy. That would free up the athletic ability of 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:55.320 a Zavan Collins Isaiah Simmons and allow them to run 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:57.920 and to fill those gaps and to not have these 0:19:57.960 --> 0:20:01.520 big offensive linemen in their face time. I think something 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:04.720 like that to me would be ideal. And free agency 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:07.000 or the draft, I mean, I mean think back to 0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:08.600 the forty nine ers and a couple of years ago 0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:10.679 when Fred Warner, a third round pick, came out and 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:12.679 was an All Pro, right, I mean, but think of 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:15.639 the defensive lineman who were in front of him. He 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:18.440 had three or four first round picks along that forty 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:20.800 nine Ers defensive front, and he was just able to 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:24.000 go almost untouched sideline to sidelines. So you're right, if 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:26.760 Jordan Phillips, for example, had been every bit the player 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:29.360 they thought they had signed two years ago in free agency, 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:32.320 how far that would have gone because Rob, you know, 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:34.520 and this goes into Chandler Jones as well. I mean, 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:38.439 it wasn't often where the Cardinals interior defensive line was 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:41.240 collapsing that pocket from the inside out, was it. I mean, 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:44.439 he Chandler Jones and the edge rushers didn't benefit very 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:47.879 much from that either. Now exactly right, Paul. You have 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:50.399 to you have to apply pressure from the outside and 0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:54.119 you have to get pressure and get movement from the 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:57.560 interior to force that quarterback to make a decision. You know, 0:20:57.920 --> 0:21:00.480 is that quarterback going to spin out and try scramble 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:02.080 or is he going to step up in the pocket. Well, 0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:04.720 if he can't step up in the pocket, that helps 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:07.240 out the defense, that helps out the edge rush immensally. 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:11.080 So you know, the Cardinals interior defensive line for me 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:13.679 last year was just inconsistent. And some of that A 0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:16.000 lot of that was due to injuries. Guys you know, 0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:20.200 just couldn't stay healthy and so there was a kind 0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:25.280 of a short rotation of healthy guys in that interior 0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:27.879 defensive line, and I think that should be a focus 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:30.560 for the Cardinals going forward. So real quick to both 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:32.639 of you, if number twenty three comes around in the 0:21:32.680 --> 0:21:35.520 April draft and we're all talking guys like me talking 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:39.240 about edge, Russia and maybe receivering cornerback, I mean, both 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:41.399 of you guys, starting with you, Rob, if a stud 0:21:41.480 --> 0:21:43.960 defensive tackle is there at number twenty three, do you 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:48.240 go that direction? I mean a lot of factors will 0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:53.399 we'll play into this ball and it depends. But I 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:57.520 like the luxury of just drafting the best available player. 0:21:58.000 --> 0:22:01.159 And everybody always says that, But there are if you 0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:03.879 look at this roster, there are certain needs. There are areas. 0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:07.879 There's cornerback, there's there's a number two wide receiver. You 0:22:07.960 --> 0:22:12.600 need to solidify that position, the interior offensive line, interior 0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:16.080 defensive line. So there's a variety of positions where there 0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:20.439 is a need. But you know, if it makes sense, 0:22:20.840 --> 0:22:23.120 I would love to see a stud into your defensive 0:22:23.160 --> 0:22:26.520 line depicted at twenty three. Yeah, that's once again, I 0:22:26.600 --> 0:22:32.200 think offensive guard. For me, cornerback is huge, A wide receiver, 0:22:33.480 --> 0:22:35.919 edge player, I think they've got a lot of needs. 0:22:36.000 --> 0:22:39.639 Just take the best avaluable player, the highest rated player 0:22:39.720 --> 0:22:42.640