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Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory, presented by Fox One Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm Saudi Charma with my partner Patrick Moodey.

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Speaker 1: We are your Cubs beat writers. Over at the Athletic. Patrick,

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Speaker 1: we had our end of season press conference with Jed Hoyer.

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Speaker 1: It actually lasted pretty long. I was I looked out

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Speaker 1: quarter and saw like nearly an hour. We didn't get

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Speaker 1: to the hour mark. I think some of theo's he

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Speaker 1: was able to surpass the hour mark. And Jed is

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Speaker 1: not one who is short on words. He can the

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Speaker 1: best of them. But yeah, I guess, you know, I honestly,

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Speaker 1: I didn't feel that strongly coming away from it, like

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Speaker 1: there was some big theme or or some strong statement.

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Speaker 1: You know, there were some very obvious topics that we

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Speaker 1: were going to hit and nothing I didn't come away

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Speaker 1: with like, Okay, that was that's a headline, that's a

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Speaker 1: big that's some big news there. It just felt like

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Speaker 1: this is someone who was satisfied with the season they

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Speaker 1: had and is looking to get back to the ninety

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Speaker 1: plus win mark and and whatever it is they do

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Speaker 1: in the off season to do that, that's what it'll be.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I I'm not sure if that's the

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Speaker 1: type of that's something that gets people fired up for

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Speaker 1: the upcoming off season, But I'm not sure if that's

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Speaker 1: what this organization is. In fact, it's funny. My my

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Speaker 1: son was like, so, who are they going to spend on?

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Speaker 2: Who are they getting? Like? Who do they add?

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Speaker 1: And I'm just like, I don't know if they go

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Speaker 1: after big free agents anymore. I'm not sure if that's

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Speaker 1: what this organization does. Like this just doesn't seem like

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Speaker 1: what if they do anymore?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's what I mean.

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Speaker 4: Kids grow up up dreaming about valuation systems and things

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Speaker 4: like that. Of that's how you fall in love with baseball,

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Speaker 4: right running your predictive models against industry standards and expectations

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Speaker 4: and accounting for potential injuries and lockouts and.

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Speaker 3: Things of that nature. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I liked how in your league you described it as

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Speaker 4: the epically long theo Epstein season post mortems are a

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Speaker 4: thing of the past, because THEO would just do those

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Speaker 4: one man shows, just kind of spilling, you know, spilling

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Speaker 4: his heart out there, just you know, epically frustrated after

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Speaker 4: ninety five wins seasons, and that was the standard then

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Speaker 4: that's how the team operate. That's what seemed possible, and

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Speaker 4: things now are more like like you say, the Cups

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Speaker 4: are trying to build a team that wins around ninety

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Speaker 4: wins every game and some every year, and sometimes they'll

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Speaker 4: exceed projection, sometimes they'll hit projections, sometimes they'll fall pullout

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Speaker 4: projections like not you know, defending it as much as

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Speaker 4: try and explain it to people who may have cockpits

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Speaker 4: and pieces of that press conference and that look, the

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Speaker 4: Cubs turned a corner this year. So some of the

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Speaker 4: pointedness of previous sessions with Jed, some of the frustrations

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Speaker 4: and disappointments just weren't there. The lame duck hot seat

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Speaker 4: questions were not there because he received one before they

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Speaker 4: made the playoffs for an undetermined length, at least publicly.

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Speaker 4: They won't announce that or have not announced that, So

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Speaker 4: you take those things off the table. They're not going

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Speaker 4: to sacrifice a hitting coach or blame it on, you know,

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Speaker 4: an assist and coach somewhere in that clubhouse. And I

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Speaker 4: think we've we'll get into some of the more specific

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Speaker 4: player stuff, but we kind of have a general outline

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Speaker 4: of of what we're thinking so yeah, just a different

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Speaker 4: a different sort of session than than what we're used to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're you're right, there's often the THEO years. Uh

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Speaker 1: it was always so quotable, right, we still bring up

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Speaker 1: somewhere along the way the offense broke. That's you know,

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Speaker 1: that's a classic line. And and I mean, uh, Chad

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Speaker 1: next great Cubs team and uh uh what what's intelligence spending? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so that none of that was there, and and I

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Speaker 1: think you're right, you know, part of it is, you know,

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Speaker 1: he's not laying duck. There's nothing to push him on. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't a like this. It wasn't a disaster exit

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Speaker 1: from the playoffs. You know, maybe if they'd gotten swept

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Speaker 1: by the Brewers, they'd be more pressing about like, you're

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Speaker 1: not close to that team at least that would be

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Speaker 1: the narrative, right, and they would be easy to push

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Speaker 1: and that team won ninety seven, the Cubs one ninety two.

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Speaker 1: It's like, I mean, they should be better. They should

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Speaker 2: In theory, they.

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Speaker 1: Brewers really are a well oiled machine, and that's what

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Speaker 1: the Cubs are aiming to get to. And I think

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Speaker 1: that's why sometimes it leads to some of these not

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Speaker 1: too interesting things like everything that you said right there

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Speaker 1: about like it's about like valuation, it's about like, you know,

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Speaker 1: Maybe it leads to these more boring press conferences because

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Speaker 1: the Cubs are just going to go buy the books

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Speaker 1: or sort of say, like buy what they're what their

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Speaker 1: models say, and it's like it's as simple as that.

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Speaker 2: We don't need to overthink this.

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Speaker 1: One of the big decisions that they have coming up,

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Speaker 1: it's going to be a SHOWO in Minaga and his

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Speaker 1: his three year option. Let's put show to in Monaga

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Speaker 1: under the DraftKings spots DraftKings player spotlight.

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Speaker 2: Patrick. This is this isn't the simplest of contracts.

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Speaker 1: To figure out the exact numbers, I believe they have

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Speaker 1: an option for a three year deal. Is it fifty

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Speaker 1: point seven or is it fifty four? What's the number?

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Speaker 4: Fifty seven point seven five million total for the twenty six,

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Speaker 4: twenty seven and twenty eight seasons.

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Speaker 3: That is a club.

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Speaker 1: Option club option, and then he has an option for

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Speaker 1: about fifteen for twenty six if they turn.

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Speaker 3: It down, they turn it down, and that.

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Speaker 1: Or he can opt out out and become a free agent.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and I would say that there's almost no chance

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Speaker 4: that Shoto would pick up an option for fifteen point

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Speaker 4: twenty five million for next season. In that scenario, he

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Speaker 4: would turn it down. The Cubs could then attach a

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Speaker 4: qualifying offer to his free agency. I believe this off

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Speaker 4: season's number is slightly more than twenty two million, and

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Speaker 4: their Shodo would have a decision to make. Do you

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Speaker 4: kind of take that qualifying offer and hope you can

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Speaker 4: approximate a cy Young caliber ORed caliber season the way

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Speaker 4: he did as a rookie. It's not unreasonable or Another

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Speaker 4: layer to this, he had two club options essentially, was

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Speaker 4: what he would be turning down this scenario. That is

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Speaker 4: worth thirty point five million over two years. So his

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Speaker 4: camp would have to say, like, can we beat two

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Speaker 4: whether it's going longer for some security into the future.

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Speaker 4: There's another snare there if he picks one up and

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Speaker 4: the Cubs will have a two year option. That one

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Speaker 4: is so remote. I'm not even going to get into it,

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Speaker 4: because really, what it comes down to the Cubs are

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Speaker 4: and then from there it will almost certainly be the

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Speaker 4: qualifying offer decision. And now, if you were a special

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Speaker 4: assistant in that front office, the lot of how would

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Speaker 4: you be looking at it right now?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's interesting like that this was a

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Speaker 1: slam dunk three months ago. We weren't This wasn't something

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Speaker 1: we'd have to debate. You you pick up that deal.

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Speaker 1: I've been going back and forth on this. That ending

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Speaker 1: he's had an extended run of like this guy's struggling.

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Speaker 1: I think that these are the questions I think they

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Speaker 1: have to answer. The stuff was down like a mile

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Speaker 1: what I saw, it was post injury. How much of

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Speaker 1: was He just needs an off season and it'll all

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Speaker 1: be back. And I don't think he's someone with a

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Speaker 1: long history of injuries in Japan's That's the one thing

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Speaker 1: I'd be wondering. Another thing you'd have to consider he

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Speaker 1: is you know, it was his age thirty one season.

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Speaker 1: He just turned thirty two in September, So you'd be

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Speaker 2: You know that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So is that Velo drop a trend? Is that

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Speaker 1: Velo drop a blip at age thirty two, thirty three,

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Speaker 1: thirty four. That's a legitimate question, and you have to

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Speaker 1: that's it's really hard to answer that.

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Speaker 2: I do think he's.

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Speaker 1: Someone that in theory ages well because he should. He

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Speaker 1: doesn't walk guys, he has command, he's a veteran, he

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Speaker 1: knows how to pitch all that stuff that you talk

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Speaker 1: about with guys like him. I just don't think it's

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Speaker 1: thinking like the Cubs, it certainly isn't an easy decision

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Speaker 1: because every dollar counts now.

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Speaker 2: They they the way they look at their.

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Speaker 1: Payroll is you know, essentially, I guess it's as simple

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Speaker 1: he outproduce that value? Can he is he like, let's

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Speaker 1: just call it twenty million a year. Can he produce

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Speaker 1: War that equals out to? And my guess is it'd

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Speaker 1: be very close. And you know, I've talked myself into

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Speaker 1: just the idea of like losing pitching depth and if

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Speaker 1: you trust that, Okay, he's probably somewhere in between what

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Speaker 1: he was in twenty four and twenty five. I mean

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Speaker 1: He's getting eighteen a year.

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Speaker 4: I think it's that, right, was it four and sixty

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Speaker 1: Okay, So yeah, that's I mean, so you know prices

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Speaker 3: Four and sixty eight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're paying a little bit more for Shadow of

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Speaker 1: Managa per year. I think it's a it's a worthwhile debate,

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Speaker 1: and I'm curious to see how it plays out. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's a slam dunk anymore. And I am

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Speaker 1: really surprised that we got to this point.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I I personally think you bet on.

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Speaker 4: I think the cost of pitching just keeps going up

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Speaker 4: and up and up. You know what you're going to

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Speaker 4: get with Shoda in terms of his competitiveness, his work ethic,

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Speaker 4: his ability to pitch.

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Speaker 3: At Wrigley Field, and.

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Speaker 4: I think sometimes you fall into these traps of like

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Speaker 4: the stuff darlings of like, oh my god, what if

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Speaker 4: we get him in here and you wind up with

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Speaker 4: Tyler Chatwood, Like you always need more pitching. H This

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Speaker 4: is kind of Jed Hoyer's fundamental belief of you can

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Speaker 4: never have enough of it. I mean, unless like do

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Speaker 4: the copsting showed him in AGA's just like done, Like

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Speaker 4: looked pretty good against against the Padres, Like you shouldn't

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Speaker 4: like Labor Day weekend, Choto still had a really strong season.

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Speaker 4: Having said all that, we know how the Cubs operate, Like,

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Speaker 4: Assuming they'll be baseball played at Wrigley Field at some

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Speaker 4: I also think it's hard for me to like listen

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Northside Territory presented by Fox one. I

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Speaker 1: It's it gets boring to have to defer to that,

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Speaker 1: And you know, I do agree that I think depth

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Speaker 1: That just means, then do you need to so in

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Speaker 1: Boyd Yes, So that those three to start the season

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Speaker 1: So that leaves you with two spots to fill. You know,

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Speaker 1: You're you're aiming for ninety plus wins every year, that's

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Speaker 2: So it's always there's never there's no such thing as

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Speaker 1: I guess starting pitch so so maybe maybe in the

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Speaker 2: Uh, I don't know. All right, all of.

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Speaker 1: Fine, Patrick, the the ALCS is going on right now.

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Speaker 1: They that was, you know, an offensive juggernaut last night.

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Speaker 2: If you if anyone caught that game.

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Speaker 1: Uh, it's been a lot of good pitching and Seattle

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Speaker 1: I thought was going to kind of carry their way

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Speaker 2: Get irritated by.

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Speaker 1: Shane Bieber pitched six innings, gave up He bounced back

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Speaker 1: just talking about strikeouts. He pitched really well. Playoff you

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Speaker 1: so playoff experience, you know, you would have loved to

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Speaker 1: We know that the Cubs were attached to him. There

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Speaker 1: Shane Bieber the daily schedule, like make sure to catch

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Speaker 1: Kyle Tucker decision, that's a you had and what we

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Speaker 1: had the we had the daily Kyle Tucker injury update

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Speaker 1: during the season. I'm not sure if we're going to

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Speaker 1: have a daily off season free agency update.

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Speaker 2: For Kyle Tucker.

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Speaker 1: You talked about this earlier, but Jed Jed's answer there

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Speaker 1: was a lot of like valuation and things like that,

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Speaker 1: words that I don't think fans like are going to

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Speaker 1: fire up fans for the possibility of him getting a

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Speaker 1: long term deal. I don't know if it'd be the

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Speaker 1: right move anyways, but certainly, you know, did the Cubs

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Speaker 1: even know what he wants? What type of deal would

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Speaker 1: he be looking at? Are they going to be aggressive?

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Speaker 1: Like I didn't come away feeling like any of that

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Speaker 1: Certainly didn't get a feeling like this is their number

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Speaker 1: one priority and that they're going to be super great it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I know some people may watch those press conferences from

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Speaker 4: home and be like, oh, he didn't say anything, or

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Speaker 4: you know, what's the point of this, Like it's if

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Speaker 4: you ask the right question, it almost doesn't matter what

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Speaker 4: they say.

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Speaker 3: Like it's revealing when.

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Speaker 4: Jed says they're gonna play their cards pretty close to

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Speaker 4: the vest after having an entire year theoretically where the

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Speaker 4: Cubs had an exclusive negotiating window where they would gain

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Speaker 4: all this inside information on what makes Kyle Tucker tick

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Speaker 4: and what he could bring to the team on a

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Speaker 4: daily basis. And I don't think the Cubs are out

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Speaker 4: on Kyle Tucker. In fact, I think they're going to

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Speaker 4: just kind of, you know, to use one of Jed's

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Speaker 4: like other sports analogies, kind of hang around the basket

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Speaker 4: and maybe see what happens and maybe they get a

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Speaker 4: put back. Like that seems to be their strategy in

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Speaker 4: general with free agents, and I don't think they're making

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Speaker 4: Kyle Tucker an exception. So when we can't judge everything

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Speaker 4: on a SoundBite while the cameras are rolling, but we

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Speaker 4: can take everything we've observed from the moment they traded

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Speaker 4: for him. We can take the years of data on

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Speaker 4: this franchise and how they operate and how they go

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Speaker 4: about pursuing free agents, and you can already see some

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Speaker 4: of these other scenarios starting to present themselves. And maybe

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Speaker 4: they're not all realistic, like they don't always materialize, but

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Speaker 4: just looking at the athletic like Kyle Tucker name just

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Speaker 4: keeps popping up whether it's the Rays with new ownership

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Speaker 4: in Tucker's hometown of Tampa, maybe they want to make

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Speaker 4: a splash. The Phillies ye an owner who's just like,

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Speaker 4: you know, the opposite of Tom Ricketts in terms of

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Speaker 4: just like he's involved, he wants to make big changes.

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Speaker 4: He spends huge money without seemingly.

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Speaker 3: A care in the world.

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Speaker 4: And he has a president of baseball operations, Dave Dombrowski,

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Speaker 4: who loves doing those big time mega deals. So probably

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Speaker 4: can't dismiss Philadelphia. I don't know if Kyle Tucker is

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Speaker 4: a New York guy or not, but they train in Tampa,

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Speaker 4: and his swing is would probably be perfect for Yankee Stadium.

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Speaker 3: And so just.

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Speaker 4: Look, Kyle Tucker shrugs and says, we'll see what happens,

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Speaker 4: wishes his teammates the best of luck.

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Speaker 3: Like I don't think.

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Speaker 4: That's like the entire story, but it's not nothing either.

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Speaker 3: And then when Jed.

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Speaker 4: Talks about Kyle Tucker in this way of like he's

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Speaker 4: learned the right to be a coveted free agent, and

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Speaker 4: you see how the second half unfolded. I think there

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Speaker 4: are questions about you would you invest in him over

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Speaker 4: the next decade for the entire decade and it comes

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Speaker 4: are already predisposed to say no to those types of

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Speaker 4: deals anyways.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, and I think you know it ended, it

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Speaker 3: did not end well.

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Speaker 4: So people may start to sort of, you know, downplay

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Speaker 4: what Kyle Tucker's don in his career. He's an awesome hitter, period,

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Speaker 4: Like his numbers are excellent over the course of his career.

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Speaker 4: A first round pick, a top prospect, a guy who's

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Speaker 4: played in the playoffs. Is it every year of his

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Speaker 4: major league career? I think, like you add all that up,

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Speaker 4: left handed hitter. You know, his defense didn't blow us

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Speaker 4: away in right field, but he's won a Gold Glove

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Speaker 4: and you know he's more than capable out there, plus

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Speaker 4: base runner, Like some team is going to make a

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Speaker 4: massive investment in that. I just don't see it, like, oh,

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Speaker 4: you know, a one year deal or a three year

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Speaker 4: deal with opt outs, Like I just don't see that

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Speaker 4: happening period. And that seems like kind of the way

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Speaker 4: if it falls back to the Cubs, maybe, but I

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Speaker 4: just have a hard time envisioning him not having enough interest,

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Speaker 4: widespread interest, to spark the bidding war that gets to

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Speaker 4: it to a place where maybe it is around the

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Speaker 4: Winter meetings, and the Cubs are not a team that

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Speaker 4: do winter meetings, mega deals to have the entire you know,

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Speaker 4: hotel ballroom watching.

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Speaker 3: H Maybe if this.

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Speaker 4: Drag towards Cubs Convention and we start getting those questions,

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Speaker 4: or if spring training opens and he's lingering out there,

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Speaker 4: that is probably more of the scenario where I think

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Speaker 4: the Cubs get back in the mix more firmly, but

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Speaker 4: until proven otherwise say, they seem like they're gonna position

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Speaker 4: themselves on the outskirts of this.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, I understand it didn't end how fans

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Speaker 1: wanted it to, and there's some there's a bad taste

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Speaker 1: left in some mouths. Four point five war according to

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Speaker 1: fan refs, that's right up there with every other season

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Speaker 1: pretty much.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he was at.

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Speaker 1: Four point nine, four point nine, four point nine, four

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Speaker 1: point two, four point five pretty much the same season.

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Speaker 2: Those are negligible differences.

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Speaker 1: One thirty six way to run strade a plus pretty

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Speaker 1: much right around where he always is.

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Speaker 2: Last season was.

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Speaker 1: Just like seventy eight insane games and he had a

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Speaker 1: one seventy nine way to run scraat a plus. That's

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Speaker 1: kind of what he did for like half the season

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Speaker 1: this year and then you know, the second half wasn't

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Speaker 1: as good. I just don't see a situation where he

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Speaker 1: is like fighting for like this one like three year

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Speaker 1: deal with opt outs.

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Speaker 2: I think he's going to get paid. I don't think

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Speaker 2: the Cubs do that. I think.

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Speaker 1: What we've learned, what I've learned over the last few

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Speaker 1: off seasons is like, I guess the Cubs were interested

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Speaker 1: in Shoheo Tani, but outside of the greatest player to

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Speaker 1: ever play, Like, are they even going to be interested

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Speaker 1: in these huge long term deals? Like what are the

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Speaker 1: types of players that are available that will interest them?

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Speaker 1: And and you know, especially the way is front office

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Speaker 1: thinks now, the way they behave, I just like.

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Speaker 2: We almost have to assume they're not in.

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Speaker 1: On these guys that are going to get six plus

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Speaker 1: years at thirty plus a year until proven otherwise. Yes,

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Speaker 1: they signed Dansby Swanson, but that was three years ago.

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Speaker 1: Now that was three years ago. They don't sign those

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Speaker 1: types of anymore. It's the middle of the market and

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Speaker 1: below that's I think that's kind of what we have

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Speaker 1: to look forward, like where we have to set our

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Speaker 1: expectations until they prove us wrong. I don't think they're

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Speaker 1: going to look to keep doing trades like they did

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Speaker 1: for Kyle Tucker. I just don't think that that's the

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Speaker 1: mindset either. I think there are some in the front

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Speaker 1: office that look at that and say, like, look at

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Speaker 1: what we gave up. You know that's not you know,

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Speaker 1: the model hates that deal. That was an automatic turn

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Speaker 1: down if you look at the model. So I don't

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Speaker 1: know what direction this like. I know they want to win.

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Speaker 1: I know they believe that they have created some a

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Speaker 1: team that can win regularly. I think not having I

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Speaker 1: really do wonder what not having Kyle Tucker how easy

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Speaker 1: it is to replace that production. Now, the argument would

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Speaker 1: be like, you don't replace it exactly. You you know,

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Speaker 1: you spread it around, You get the you know, wins

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Speaker 1: in different areas. Maybe you upgrade the pitching, maybe you

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Speaker 1: get a couple guys on offense that can help out

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Speaker 1: position player wise. You know, is Alex Bregman a possibility?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I like right now, I go into this thinking no,

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Speaker 1: I just like, you know, they'll they'll show interest and

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Speaker 1: things like that and different players, but like, unless they

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Speaker 1: fall to them, it just doesn't seem like they're going

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Speaker 1: to set the market on these free agents again or

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Speaker 1: I shouldn't say ever.

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Speaker 2: Again.

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Speaker 1: From what we understand and the way I observe what

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Speaker 1: they do, I don't see them doing that. There are

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Speaker 1: people they will identify, like Matthew Boyd, and maybe we

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Speaker 1: should go through the free agent list and kind of

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Speaker 1: think of who's undervalued or who can they get on

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Speaker 1: a two year deal, who can they get on a

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Speaker 1: three year deal? But these six plus year deals just

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Speaker 1: doesn't seem like that their business much anymore. It's the rarity.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I totally agree with what you're saying. The only

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Speaker 4: thing I would say to our listeners is that Jed

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Speaker 4: says he has not been given a budget number for

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Speaker 4: next year. He hasn't spoken with ownership and business operations

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Speaker 4: yet and dug in on that we'll see too, like

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Speaker 4: what emerges out of this new CBA whenever that's enacted.

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Speaker 4: Like I I do get what they're saying to an

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Speaker 4: extent of like you want to know the rules for

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Speaker 4: how you're gonna have to build the roster Like that

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Speaker 4: makes sense, And a lot of these deals don't are

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Speaker 4: going to look bad, like I think, Like did anyone

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Speaker 4: think Xander Bogart's deal is good at you know, like

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Speaker 4: paying guys to like they're forty. Like I think people

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Speaker 4: can reasonably understand where they're coming from.

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Speaker 2: That.

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Speaker 4: It's just frustrating from a fans perspective though, of like, Okay,

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Speaker 4: well then your payroll every year should be super high

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Speaker 4: and allowing you to like be in the market for

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Speaker 4: all of all of this stuff, And it just seems

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Speaker 4: like they have closed off.

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Speaker 3: Certain avenues.

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Speaker 4: And I think you're right in that they'll probably want

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Speaker 4: to see what they have in Casey and Bias steros

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Speaker 4: and like you let Tucker walk and you reinvest elsewhere.

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Speaker 4: That could be a way to get you back to

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Speaker 4: around ninety wins. That's not impossible, but I do think

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Speaker 4: there's going to be stretches next year if that happens,

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Speaker 4: where you're like, where's the star power, where's the guy?

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Speaker 4: You know, like if Pete isn't playing out of his

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Speaker 4: mind for like two months, and if Saya goes into

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Speaker 4: one of his sort of like two months slumbers, uh,

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Speaker 4: and maybe Carson Kelly doesn't produce the.

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Speaker 3: Way he did.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you would hope that Michael Bush keeps ascending,

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Speaker 4: but he had a fantastic year. What if someone gets

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Speaker 4: injured like Tucker, gave them a lot of security and

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Speaker 4: created kind of a floor or a foundation that you

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Speaker 4: might not miss until it's gone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm not even saying they should spend on

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Speaker 1: Kyle Tucker. It's more I'm very curious to see how

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Speaker 1: that production is replaced, and I hope it's in a way.

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Speaker 1: I hope for the fans sake, gets in a way

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Speaker 1: where there's a little bit of certainty, you know it

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Speaker 1: going all young or going all the Matthew Boyd route,

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Speaker 1: who is great, but just banking on that you better

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Speaker 1: be right.

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Speaker 2: You need to be right.

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Speaker 4: And this is Bregman, ain't Bregman was perfect for this team,

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Speaker 4: That's what. Yeah, the models, the numbers, years, all.

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Speaker 3: Of that, and they didn't guess.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know what Bregman's going to look like,

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Speaker 1: what his contract is going to look like now, And

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Speaker 1: maybe maybe it isn't going to be something crazy. Maybe

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Speaker 1: if it's something that's not a ton of years, maybe

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Speaker 1: that's something they can revisit.

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Speaker 2: And and I.

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Speaker 1: Don't know how you fit that in. I do think

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Speaker 1: they like Shaw, but maybe I don't you know. Right

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Speaker 1: now would be a lot of speculation but I'm curious

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Speaker 1: to see how they move forward. Is it just going

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Speaker 1: to be like do they build like Milwaukee and Cleveland

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Speaker 1: and Tampa. That's going to drive fans nuts, and and

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Speaker 1: you know, I think they're should yeah, but I don't.

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Speaker 1: I'm not one hundred percent sure that they'll do that right,

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Speaker 1: But I'm not also ruling it out.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's frustrating to fans. So we'll see.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot of time to discuss this stuff, Patrick,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to be talking to a lot of

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Speaker 1: people over the coming weeks to get a better idea

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Speaker 1: of how they like look at this. Because you're right

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Speaker 1: everything he said at that press conference, that's not the

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Speaker 1: bottom line.

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Speaker 2: We have to keep digging. We have to keep figuring

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Speaker 2: out what direction they're going to go. There'll be more.

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Speaker 1: The GM meetings are in about two weeks, twish weeks.

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Speaker 1: We should be there to three weeks.

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Speaker 2: I guess.

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Speaker 1: You know, we've still gotta We'll see what happens there.

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Speaker 1: And you know, this is every off season is critical

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Speaker 1: and this is going to be a fascinating one.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for listening to everyone.

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