1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: The Big Bets on Campus Podcast podcast Poda. All Right, 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: here we go fifteen cuny twenty five, thirty thirty five, forty, 3 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: forty five, fifty and the kicks block Look College Football 4 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: World Stunt good bye, Oh my goodness, please stumble and 5 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: bob the lateral turn the counter on the. 6 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 2: Inside, don't you The lad came them up the field 7 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:35,919 Speaker 2: to night. 8 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: It's not the side on the game, it's the side 9 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: of the fight in the roll. Welcome to the Big 10 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: Bets on Campus Podcast. This is our G five Deep 11 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: Dive edition looking at NFL drafts sleepers, which means we're 12 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: one step closer to getting into the post spring, into 13 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: media days, into fall camps, and nextino college football is back, 14 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: so this is the natural next step. As I mentioned 15 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: in our episode last week, it's kind of like graduation 16 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: day for a lot of the G five studs that 17 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: we'd love to pump out throughout the fall. Identifying them 18 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,119 Speaker 1: becoming their biggest fans as one of the best parts 19 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: of this podcast for me personally, also speak for Ianello, 20 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: you know, really targeting some of these mac kids Sunbelt, 21 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: Mountain West being the first on the bandwagon feels great 22 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,559 Speaker 1: and certainly our smugness is over the one hundred percent 23 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: threshold when it comes to the NFL draft, because when 24 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: you hear a name called and your buddies are like, 25 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: who's that, and you're like, excuse me, you were referring 26 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: to Khalil Pimpleton the third and he is fantastic. And 27 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you why you should be so excited. 28 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: Let's talk about some of our favorite players, and particularly 29 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: the sleepers in this draft, where only psychos like you 30 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: and me have watched multiple games of these kids play. 31 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 2: Well. 32 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: We'll start with a guy who's on the national radar 33 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:59,559 Speaker 1: in a huge way, and that's Bailey Zappy. Bailey Zappy, 34 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: just one more accolade, one more feather in his cap. 35 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: It was recently released. His Wonderlick score off the charts 36 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 1: the highest for this draft class. Matt Carrall got a 37 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: little bit higher than a pet Rock, but Bailey ZAPPI 38 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: really high up there. It matters for some positions. Quarterback 39 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: certainly is up there. Frank Gore I think got a 40 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: six back in the day he ended up playing for 41 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 1: two and a half decades. Doesn't necessarily matter for the 42 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: skill positions, but quarterback, you gotta feel just a little 43 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 1: bit better if that's even possible. About Bailey ZAPPI, where 44 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:30,679 Speaker 1: are you with the Zapp God here heading against the 45 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: NFL draft? 46 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 2: Oh, the Zapp God. I could talk about him forever. 47 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 2: You mentioned graduation. I feel like we are the two 48 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 2: proud dads of young Bailey Zappy watching him graduate, and 49 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,959 Speaker 2: we could not be prouder. Like you said, smart kid, 50 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 2: We raised the smart one, did we? And that's huge, 51 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 2: especially for a quarterback, especially one of these like, yes, 52 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 2: we love Zappy obviously we all if you listen to 53 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 2: this podcast before record setting season sixty two touchdowns, fifty 54 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 2: nine hundred yards. Does he project as an NFL starter? 55 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe maybe a couple of injuries happened, 56 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:06,399 Speaker 2: he'll come in. But I think the one the score 57 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 2: is huge for him because he does kind of project 58 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 2: as you know, a backup, and I think a smart, 59 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 2: you know backup who can study film. He does, He 60 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 2: can go in, he can play in any offense, you know, 61 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 2: clean or not the strongest arm, but he can make 62 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 2: most of the throws. I know a name you throughout 63 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 2: when we were texting earlier this week was Chase Daniel, 64 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 2: you know which I love, you know, can he have 65 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 2: that career path? 66 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: To me? 67 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 2: Absolutely? To me, another one I look at it and 68 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 2: this is kind of more I feel like the upside 69 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 2: Chase Daniels got paid a lot without doing as much. 70 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 2: But another guy I kind of look at and compared 71 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: zapply to is Case Keenum. You know, Case Keenum is 72 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 2: the guy who wasn't even drafted, so he was not 73 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 2: even like you know, Bailey Zappi's projected, you know, round three, 74 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 2: round four, round five, like he's definitely going to be drafted. 75 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 2: Keenum was not even drafted. He put up five six 76 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 2: hundred yards and forty eight touchdowns his last year at Houston, 77 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 2: threw the ball all over the yard. Is he still 78 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 2: the career passing record holder? I believe he is because 79 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 2: he played like nine years in Houston, but he's already 80 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 2: played ten years in the NFL. He has started sixty 81 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 2: four games, and he has carved out a very nice 82 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 2: career for himself. So to me, Bailey Zappy could easily 83 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: have the same career path as Case Keenum. So that's 84 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: kind of how how I'm hoping his career turns out. 85 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 2: And I think the winnerlicks scorer was huge. I think 86 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 2: he's a guy that you know, having that something with 87 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 2: someone who's that smart, knows the offense, has has been 88 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 2: able to do it at a high level. Obviously made 89 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 2: the jump from from Houston Baptist to Western Kentucky. Cannot 90 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: say enough things about the zapp God zapp God punt God. 91 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 2: You want those two guys on your team. 92 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 1: I'm going to go a little bit deeper in the 93 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: cut for my comparison on him. I'm going to go 94 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: Billy Volok, the old San Diego Chargers backup. I don't 95 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: care about his win loss record, I don't care about 96 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 1: the touchdowns. Guy made close to fifteen million dollars in 97 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: his career and certainly doesn't have CT I think that's 98 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: a huge benefit of being an NFL backup quarterback. I'd 99 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: love to see, you know, Zappie get picked up by 100 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: one of the you know, top offensive team. We were 101 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: texting about it. You were saying, wouldn't be bad insurance 102 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: policy behind Aaron Rodgers. You know, someone who gets rid 103 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: of the ball quickly, you know, can make all most 104 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: of the throws. He's not someone who's going to be 105 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: confused for Josh Allen or anything like that. But the 106 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: fact of the matter is he was so prolific last 107 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 1: year because he could handle not only throwing the ball 108 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 1: fifty sixty times a game, but in so many cases 109 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 1: he was dealing with an empty backfield, no tight end 110 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: to chip, no running back to help, so he knew 111 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: he had to get rid of the ball really fast. 112 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: And some of the complaints I have for the top 113 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: prospects in this draft, it's a lot of guys who 114 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: hold onto the ball trying to make the big time plays. 115 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: He's somebody who I think understands how to play within 116 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: a system, and he's smart enough to adapt to a system, 117 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 1: you know, should he get drafted, let's say in the 118 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: fourth or fifth round, and put him in a position 119 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: to be, you know, coming into a camp as an understudy, 120 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: as a backup. I think this is all trending in 121 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: the positive direction for him, and I'm really excited. A 122 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: player I mentioned on the last podcast I just want 123 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: to run through quickly was the guy who threw all 124 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: the passes to last year, and that was Jarff. Certain's 125 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: guy reigned in one hundred and fifty receptions. He ran 126 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: pretty well and tested pretty well at the combine. Obviously, 127 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 1: he's small. He's certainly on the smaller side, but I 128 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: think he is someone who could you know, catch on 129 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: with the team as a third or fourth option. So 130 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: it's a question in a very deep draft class at 131 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: wide receiver. Is he someone as a fifth, six or 132 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: seventh round pick. Is he a you know, undrafted free agent. 133 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: Is he someone that a team really has earmarked as yet? 134 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: We didn't take him the seventh round, but we anticipate 135 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: him making the team. I think so. And he reminds 136 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 1: me of James Proche from the Ravens, you know, having 137 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 1: a perfect career at SMU. So another G five hero 138 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 1: making good in the NFL. I think that's where he's headed. 139 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 1: And also when you look at his performance against some 140 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: of the better pass defenses they played, it didn't really 141 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 1: matter throughout the year whether they're playing app State or 142 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: Indiana or Marshall. Like he was there and he was 143 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: making plays. So I like the kid a lot. Is 144 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: there any other wide receivers at the G five level 145 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: that you're interested in in the sleeper category? Worry for 146 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 1: this draft because as I mentioned, there's probably five to 147 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: six players at the wide receiver position that are going 148 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: to go off the board. In the first let's call 149 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: it forty picks that probably have a Pro Bowl ceiling. 150 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: So a really deep draft class. But who are some 151 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: of the guys that you have circled that you'll elbow 152 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: your buddy and say, man, I can't believe you got 153 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: this guy in the fifth rounds. He's going to be 154 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: an impactful player. 155 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, as you mentioned, very deep draft for G five receivers. 156 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 2: You know, we already talked about Sky Moore, Jalen Tobert 157 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 2: on the first one. You know, Calvin Austin probably goes 158 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 2: in that third round, five 't seven. You know, he's small, 159 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 2: but he's going to be a fun little gadget for 160 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 2: creative offenses. You know, he's the guy that I could see, 161 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 2: you know, if Deebo Samuel you know, would bang his 162 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 2: situation like. He's the guy that would be fun in 163 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 2: that Kyle Shanahan offense where you could kind of use 164 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 2: a little out of the backfield, a little little Swiss 165 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 2: army knife you got there. You know, you mentioned obviously Stern, 166 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: who I do think I'm hoping sneaks into those late 167 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 2: couple of rounds. But you know, Alec Pierce is the 168 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 2: guy that we probably he come off the fourth round. 169 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 2: Khalil Shakiir is another good one out of Boise State. 170 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 2: I love Shakiir. He he was kind of a one 171 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 2: where I'm I feel like I'm hiring him the most, 172 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 2: just because I never really believed in Hank Bachmeyer. And 173 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 2: if you watch Boise State, he was their whole offense. 174 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 2: Their entire game plan was just throw it up to Shakir. 175 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 2: So I am very high on Khalil Seker. He's he's 176 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 2: not interested in. You know, one I definitely want to 177 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 2: talk to you about a little bit more is is 178 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 2: Romeo Dubbs because I want to get your take on 179 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 2: Carson Strong and how much was Dubbs a product of 180 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 2: Carson Strong. You know, He's another one that's probably that 181 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 2: fourth fifth round. Uh. You had two SMU guys, Danny 182 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 2: Gray and Reggie Roberson who probably both hear their names called. 183 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 2: Jaymon Highley. Uh out of Coastal Carolina is another one 184 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 2: will probably here called. And as far as the guy 185 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 2: that's gonna be a late round pick, you mentioned him, 186 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 2: Khalil Pimpleton is just one of the most fun players 187 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 2: to watch in this draft. I don't know that he 188 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 2: has you know he does not. I don't think he 189 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 2: has Pro Bowl ceiling. I don't. I don't know that 190 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 2: he's gonna be this superstar game changer on offense. But 191 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 2: he's a guy that you know your team's gonna draft him, 192 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 2: you've probably never heard of him, and then he's gonna 193 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 2: catch a ball in the preseason and you're gonna go, 194 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 2: who the hell was that guy flying down the field. 195 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 2: So so Pimpleton's one where he's one of those guys 196 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 2: we're like, you know, the sixth, seventh round, you've never 197 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 2: heard of any of these. He's a fun one that 198 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 2: he will be fun to watch. So those are just 199 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 2: some of the receivers I like, Like I said, I think 200 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 2: in these fourth, fifth, sixth rounds, Khalil Shakir is the 201 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 2: one I would target because I don't think we know 202 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 2: his upside yet because I, like I said, I was 203 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 2: not I'm not high on Hank Bachmeier. So I think 204 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 2: Shakir has yet to reach his full potential. 205 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: Just to unpack some of the questions throughout there, Carson Strong, 206 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: what's interesting to me that the knee injuries aside obviously 207 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: that I wouldn't say it's a red flag, but a 208 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: yellow flag. I don't know what the what the things 209 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: on the beach are when it's like two flags is 210 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: the hurricane in the area, It's it's not great. I 211 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 1: just know that it's problematic. But he's also a guy 212 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: who is None of his upside is tied to his 213 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: athleticism or continuing plays out of the pocket, or you know, 214 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: it's all based on his rocket arm. My only concern is, 215 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: and I'll put this to you as someone who watched 216 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: as much G five football as anybody, was there a 217 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: better supporting cast at the skill positions for pass catchers, 218 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: wide receivers and tight ends than what Carson Strong worked 219 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: with last year in the Mentonwest Like, his assortment of 220 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 1: weapons was incredible. I understand that they had some injuries 221 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: throughout the year, and you know, it was it was 222 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: pretty rare that they had a full deck every single game. 223 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: But when you look at what they had at tight end, 224 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: but they had it, you know, on the perimeter. Do 225 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: you think that should impact some of his stats are 226 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: how he's perceived it all as someone who had at 227 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: least by G five standards and embarrassment of riches to 228 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: throw to, what do you think? 229 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely think that plays into it, you know, 230 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 2: like you said, he you know, he did torch a 231 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 2: lot of bad Mountain West competition, and he did have 232 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 2: you know, Romeo Dubbs and Cole Turner. But his arm 233 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 2: is just such a difference maker. I'm not saying this 234 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 2: he's gonna be this guy, but to me, he more 235 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 2: fits the Josh Allen type of maybe he could do 236 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 2: it because he's got that cannon arm and and sure 237 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 2: he definitely needs to be in a position to have 238 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 2: weapons around. I will give you that, you know, the 239 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs and stuff like that, But it wasn't just 240 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 2: oh he's got a rocket arm and launched it all 241 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 2: over the field like that is what Josh Allen did. 242 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 2: Hardlan Strong was six in the country with a seventy 243 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 2: percent completion rate. He had thirty six touchdowns and just 244 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 2: eight interceptions. He can make all the throws, and to me, 245 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 2: he had a ninety one point five passer grade on 246 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 2: throws outside the numbers that was the best among all 247 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 2: quarterbacks in this class. So he can make those deep throws. 248 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 2: And yet he definitely took some chances in college and 249 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 2: got away with them because of his arm. He definitely 250 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 2: those eight interceptions. If he played in the SEC, it's 251 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 2: probably more than that because he would just you know, 252 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 2: fit ridiculous passes in the scenes because of his cannon. 253 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 2: He probably won't get away with that in the NFL. 254 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 2: But for me, the knee is then with him. Had 255 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 2: he missed the senior of high school. He's had procedures 256 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 2: at the start of last season, the end of the 257 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 2: last season he had to clean it up. He's not 258 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,599 Speaker 2: mobile at all. But I am still really high in 259 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 2: Carson Strong. I would take a chance on him in 260 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 2: the third round because you just can't you can't teach 261 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 2: that arm talent and the throws that he makes. And yes, 262 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,359 Speaker 2: he needs to be in a system where he has talented, 263 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 2: you know, fast wide receivers who can get open, because 264 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 2: if they get open even for a second, he'll hit them. 265 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 2: So I'm still high on Strong. 266 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, the arm strength I think is interesting. It's almost 267 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 1: like in the NBA when the defense knows that there's 268 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: one guy in the court that can't shoot threes, it 269 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: allows them to play a different kind of defense. Everywhere 270 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: else where they're like, yeah, you can be wide open 271 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: for thirty foot or go ahead and take it. Analytics say 272 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: that we can allow that. In the same way, it's 273 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: so clear in NFL games with how prepared defensive coordinators are. 274 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: If you're someone who can't push the ball down the field, 275 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: it puts so much pressure on the rest of the 276 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: passing game because you have people, you know, the safety 277 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: is walking down, cutting off, you know, those slant routes 278 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: and those quick hitters, and it just has this snowball 279 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: effect on how difficult it can be to move the 280 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: football if you're not someone who can consistently threaten the 281 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: defense deep. So I'm with you. There. One other point 282 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: I wanted to bring up in terms of betting the 283 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: NFL Draft. Obviously, we are a betting organization, so we 284 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: want to put out, you know, some tools and thoughts 285 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: to help people make some money on Thursday, Friday and 286 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: Saturday Pro Football Focus. You know, love them, hate them, 287 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: however you feel about their organization. One thing that they 288 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: do that's really cool is they go ahead and they 289 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: do they plot where mock drafts have had certain players 290 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: throughout the process, and it starts to give you a 291 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: feel not looking at a single draft you know, from 292 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: an expert or from a member of the media, but 293 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: looking holistically at how the entire market views a player, 294 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: you can start to get a feel for who's heating 295 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: up and who isn't. And when you look at Taevon Austin, 296 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: excuse me, Calvin Austin, the third who a lot of 297 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: ways reminds me of Tamon Austin. At the end of 298 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: the season, he was borderline third or fourth round pick 299 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: according to almost every mock draft out there in the market, 300 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: and now he's moved up close to an entire round, 301 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: closing in on the end of the second top of 302 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: the third round. So I think that should just inform people, 303 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: and if you have an opportunity to look at their 304 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: data for multiple players, incredibly useful because that is in 305 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: a lot of ways, how the sports books go ahead 306 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: and they grate out these odds they're putting out there. 307 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: It's not just based on their own power rankings, which 308 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: they could get away with if they were handicapping a game. 309 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: But the market and how people view this so much 310 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: is driven by the rumor mill, and some of the 311 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: group think that's surrounding it. So I think it would 312 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: be a stretch to see him go in the second round. 313 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: But I think if you can see a number for 314 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: him to go off as the next wide receiver at 315 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: the top of the third rounds. I think that's just 316 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: about the right price. So then it becomes a value proposition. 317 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: If he starts to slide, I think every single pick 318 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: starts to give you a little added value on him. 319 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: I'm going to go ahead and throw out my thoughts 320 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: on another G five player, and when you brought up 321 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: Carson Strong and his injury issues, it reminded me different injury, 322 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: but a similar situation. Grant Calcata from SMU. It's a 323 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: guy who started his career at Oklahoma, actually played with 324 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: I believe Baker Mayfield back in the day. He was 325 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: all Honorable Mention Big twelve. So he's proven that he 326 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: had a talent to succeed at the highest level of 327 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: college football and then goes down to SMU after a 328 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: host of concussions, looked like he was going to retire, 329 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: his career was going to be over. He ends up 330 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: getting the green light from the medical community and puts 331 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: up a great season. You know down there in Dallas, 332 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: tested really well four point sixty two forty yard dash, 333 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: great frame, long arms, ability to high point the ball. 334 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: In the current NFL. You know the fact that you're 335 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: not going to need him to block to be valuable. 336 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: You know, probably in nineteen ninety this guy doesn't get 337 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: drafted given the head injuries and the lack of experience 338 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: as an inline blocker. Those are mitigated by the current NFL. 339 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: So it's a shame that he has this red flag 340 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: on his resume. But I think whoever gets him, if 341 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: he stays healthy, even for two or three years, I 342 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: think it's going to be a really great steal for 343 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: a team in the middle rounds, let's say, fourth or 344 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: fifth round to get someone like him because the kind 345 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: of athleticism he brings to the table and having played 346 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: in a pass happy offense, I think he's ready to 347 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: come in run the complete route tree. He's one of 348 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: the most reliable hands in the tight end draft class. 349 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: What do you think about cal Katara and also just 350 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: some thoughts on smu as another one of those G 351 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: five teams. Is that the system. Could anyone have gone 352 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: in there and put up numbers or do you really 353 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: like the players coming out of it? 354 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 2: I really like Calcucara. I love that nugget. I agree 355 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 2: with you. I think you know, easy guy that's probably 356 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 2: gonna be hard to bet on because you don't know 357 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 2: which team will take a shot on him. But I 358 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 2: agree with you, if your team takes a shot on 359 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 2: him late, you have to love the upside. And yeah, 360 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 2: you can say it's a little bit of you know, 361 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 2: obviously had Tanner Mordecai come in and throwing the ball around. 362 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 2: But I mentioned two of them, Danny Gray and Reggie 363 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 2: Roberson both you know, two wide receivers in this draft 364 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 2: as well. They just they did a good job with 365 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 2: transfers with a lot of weapons. I I agree with you. 366 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 2: I just think when you watch it in the NFL nowadays, 367 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 2: you see these you know, tight end unicorns that come 368 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 2: in and are so valuable to teams. And this is 369 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 2: an excellent draft for G five tight ends. You know, 370 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 2: we talked about Trade McBride in the last episode. Who's 371 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 2: the best tight end in this uh G five draft class? 372 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 2: Probably goes second round, but then you know other guys 373 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 2: Isaiah likely at a Coastal Carolina see. To me, he's 374 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 2: the more one I might worry about system because he's 375 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 2: super athletic. Called twelve touchdowns last year, the second most 376 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 2: among all tight ends in the country, but he's the 377 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 2: He had just one drop all year. He is the 378 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 2: one I worry about because this Coastal Carolina offense is 379 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 2: so efficient. Everything they do work because they just they 380 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 2: never have a bad play. He had five career touchdowns 381 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 2: over fifty yards. He is a freak athlete. But you 382 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 2: have to wonder as okay our teams. There's such a 383 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 2: run based offense that teams are committing to the run 384 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 2: and likely sneaks behind them. So he is the one 385 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 2: I worry about more of the system, more than Tara. 386 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 2: We already mentioned. You know Cole Turners no when he 387 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 2: was third among tight ends and touchdowns. He started as 388 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 2: a wide receiver. He reminds me a lot of Mike Yasicki, 389 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:26,959 Speaker 2: where he's not going to really give you anything as 390 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 2: a blocker, but he's fast, he's big, runs like a gazelle, 391 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 2: great pass catcher. So this is I think a really 392 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 2: really strong tight end class. Daniel Bellinger from San Diego 393 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 2: State's the other one that probably gets drafted. I think 394 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 2: like four of the top five tight end touchdown leaders 395 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 2: in the country, we're g five guys this year. So 396 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 2: this is a fun This will be a fun draft. 397 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 2: Class for like late round tight ends. 398 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: To quote our producer Matt Mitchell, watching San Diego State 399 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 1: throw the ball last year, it looked like their quarterbacks 400 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: were throwing a medicine ball and completely any pass over 401 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 1: five air yards seemed like a small miracle. So he 402 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: could be somebody who flies under the radar just because 403 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: his quarterback play and play calling and offensive tendencies were 404 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: just so out of whack throughout the year. I have 405 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: a few more thoughts first. I also want to point 406 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 1: out we gave a lot of love to Bailey Zappi 407 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 1: at the top. But I'm just going to put this 408 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: out there. Is Western Kentucky like an NFL draft you know, 409 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: making machine. At this point, seven players from WKU drafted 410 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: since twenty sixteen. It's likely that Zappi's off the board. 411 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 1: Stearns could go off the board. And let's not forget 412 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 1: about D'Angelo Malone, who was a really good edge rusher 413 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: and could be somebody who could have, you know, greater 414 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: success in the NFL were more teams playing that hybrid 415 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: three man front and just setting him up, you know, 416 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 1: standing upright to go after the passer. He's someone who 417 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 1: in his career with the tops. He ended up I 418 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 1: think just in the last two years alone thirty two 419 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 1: and a half sacks or that could be his college 420 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 1: career of just looking at my notes, but someone who's 421 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 1: very prolific, and honestly, he was one of the only 422 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: difference makers on that Western Kentucky defense. Having bet a 423 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: lot of Hilltopper games and watched, you know how teams 424 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: attack them when their defense was on the field. He 425 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 1: got doubled, he got chipped, He was clearly the guy 426 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: that they wanted to neutralize, and he still put up 427 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: really good numbers. So just another Hilltopper to consider and 428 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: not be surprised when he comes off the board. I 429 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: think he's more of like a fifth or sixth round pick, 430 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 1: but I think he has all the tools to be 431 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: someone who is at least a rotational pass rusher at 432 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: the NFL level. Right away, speaking of defenders, I want 433 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 1: to give a little bit of love to the MAC 434 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: Conference and one guy who ended up just dominating the 435 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: pre draft pre combine weigh ins and tests and everything else, 436 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: and that's Sterling Weatherford for Miami of Ohio. Just check 437 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: out some of these numbers, six four two, twenty five, 438 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,360 Speaker 1: four point five to seven forty yard dash, thirty six 439 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: inch vertical jump, and a four point two eight short shuttle, 440 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 1: which those are all incredibly explosive time and all of them, 441 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: by the way, beat out Cam Chancellor's numbers, not saying 442 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 1: he's going to come in and be Camp Chancellor. The 443 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,479 Speaker 1: guy not only had all the physical tools but played 444 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: arguably the most physical brand of football in the last 445 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 1: twenty five years at the position. But I think whoever 446 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 1: gets him, he's like mister subpackage. He can play that 447 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: hybrid role of safety, walk up to the line of 448 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: scrimmage and be a linebacker and help and run support. 449 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: I think whoever gets him as someone who this is 450 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 1: a position and needs. As a pro football fan, it's 451 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: so obvious to me when teams don't have quality safeties 452 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 1: because they need them to be that jack of all 453 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: trades and really come up. As you know. This is 454 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: going back to when I was first introduced to football. 455 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: I remember my fourth grade football coach would say the 456 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: safeties are like the firefighters of the entire defense, where 457 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: it's like they have to mitigate the damage, they have 458 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: to make quick decisions, and they're put in really difficult positions. 459 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 1: And these high leverage positions where you make one mistake 460 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: that's a touchdown for the other team. Having been placed 461 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 1: in that position and put up really good status tackle 462 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: numbers were phenomenal for the RedHawks. I think this is 463 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 1: someone who's going to make a team instantly better and 464 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 1: I could see him being a fourth or fifth round 465 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: pick and then instantly being a starter depending on the situation. 466 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 1: So that's how I am. I am on Weatherford, who's 467 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: another deep sleeper that maybe you're the only one being 468 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: the flag bearer for. 469 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 2: So I have three guys I want to shout out 470 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 2: that are to me good value picks that I think 471 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 2: if your team calls them if I never heard of him, 472 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 2: and to me, I'd be excited about what they're upside 473 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 2: could be. I think you always have these g five 474 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 2: guys where you're like, I don't even remember him in college? 475 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:34,439 Speaker 2: Why did he end up at this small school and 476 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,199 Speaker 2: they end up being a better pro than they were 477 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 2: in college. I definitely think there's at least two guys 478 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 2: so I could put in that Calgary and the one 479 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 2: that's just a fun one, the first one that I love. 480 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 2: I know everyone there's nothing more boring than watching than 481 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 2: having an offensive lineman drafted by your team. You're like, yeah, 482 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 2: I don't know. I would be very excited if my 483 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 2: team drafted Bernard Raymond out of Central Michigan because he 484 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 2: is such an interesting story. He grew up in Austria, 485 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 2: He came to America as a foreign exchange shoodent and 486 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 2: got a scholarship to Central Michigan after one year of 487 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 2: high school football. He actually started at Central Michigan as 488 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 2: a tight end, but was switched to tackle in twenty twenty. 489 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 2: So this guy, he is a very good athlete for 490 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 2: a offensive lineman. He is six foot seven, three hundred 491 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 2: and five pounds. Imagine that guy is a tight end. 492 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 2: He is still incredibly raw, but his improvement and his 493 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 2: size are Again, you can't teach the size and his 494 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 2: improvement was what really stood out to me when I 495 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 2: was going through his numbers. He allowed zero pressures at 496 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 2: all over the last six games of the season. He 497 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 2: was the fourth best graded of any offensive tackle in 498 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,719 Speaker 2: the country. So is a guy at Central Michigan if 499 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 2: you knew who Central Michigan's I watched a lot of 500 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 2: Central Michigan. I didn't know who this guy was, and 501 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 2: so I started doing draft rep and then I started 502 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 2: watching his clips and you know, again the size jumps 503 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 2: out immediately. He's a freak athlete for a guy that big. 504 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 2: So given his you know, he's only been playing football 505 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 2: for what three years, So he's the guy I'd be 506 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 2: very excited about that. We have not yet seen his 507 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 2: potential because if they can channel his speed and size 508 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 2: and continue to help him grow, Like I said, no 509 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 2: pressures allowed in the last six weeks. So that's the 510 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 2: guy I'd be big on. And then other one I 511 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 2: think that'd be very fun on a defense is Logan 512 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 2: Hall out of Houston. He had a very good year. 513 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 2: But what I love about him is his versatility. He 514 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 2: can play both inside and outside. Houston used him more 515 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 2: as a d tackle just because Houston's d lion was 516 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 2: nasty with you know, a NI and they had all 517 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,360 Speaker 2: these sick the ends. I think he probably projects more 518 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 2: as a d end in the NFL, one of those 519 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 2: kind of gadget edge rushers, but he can go inside. 520 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 2: He's six foot six, so he's very tall, but he 521 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 2: only weighs two hundred and eighty three pounds, which gives 522 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 2: which gives him you know, he is big, but he 523 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 2: is super fast, freaky athletic. He needs to get a little 524 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 2: better with his hands, like at the point of contact, 525 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 2: but he's got great moves for pass rusher. So I 526 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 2: really like Logan Hall. I think he's kind of a 527 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 2: fun late round project because you can kind of play 528 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 2: him wherever you want and then the last guy, or 529 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 2: not last guy, but another guy. I want to give 530 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 2: some credit to that at the last rounds. I'm like, please, 531 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 2: you know, packers, please take him, Please take him, Please 532 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 2: take him. Is Marcus Jones out of Houston. One of 533 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 2: the most electric players in the country. He sees his cornerback. 534 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 2: He probably projects more as a slot corner in the 535 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 2: NFL because he is very small. This dude is crazy 536 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 2: fast and his first step is like shocking how he 537 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 2: goes zero to sixty in a step and a half. 538 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 2: He is at full speed. He is probably the best 539 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 2: kick returner we've seen, you know, in a while. I'm 540 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 2: not going to throw out the devon has three Dangel 541 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 2: Hall names, but I just did. He had nine kick 542 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 2: return touchdowns in college. That's tied for nine, a record. 543 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 2: Like I said, he catches the ball he's at full speed. 544 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 2: So Marcus Jones is super, super fun to watch. So 545 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 2: he's the guy I definitely want my team taking late 546 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 2: in the rounds just because every time he catches a 547 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,439 Speaker 2: punt or a kickoff, he could take it to the 548 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 2: house and he could do it very quickly. So Marcus 549 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 2: Jones is definitely a name I'm excited to see who 550 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 2: takes him. 551 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad that you brought him up. I believe 552 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: he sat out the bowl game for Houston that had 553 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: an impact on their bowl game. And I think also 554 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: what you're seeing with a lot of these players opting 555 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: out of the bowl games, was it the right business decision? 556 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 2: Yes? 557 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,239 Speaker 1: Did it hurt him in terms of overall visibility? I 558 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: also think that came into play because I agree he's 559 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: someone who is tailor made to have a huge impact 560 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: at you know, arguably two or three positions right away 561 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: in the NFL. It'll be interesting to see if they 562 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 1: try to just focus him in at one and try to, 563 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: you know, refine his craft a little bit as opposed 564 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: to playing him all over the field. But he's certainly 565 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: somebody that I'm excited to see at the NFL level. 566 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: And the points for I told you so, or I 567 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: knew this guy before he was cool, you know a 568 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: little bit of college football hipster inside info. I'm excited 569 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,120 Speaker 1: to talk about him in the years to come. I'm 570 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,479 Speaker 1: going to end this with just a quick conversation about 571 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: the college season coming out. I try to hold off 572 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: from doing this as much as I can throughout the 573 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: entire offseason, because once you start going down this rabbit hole, 574 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,439 Speaker 1: it can get difficult to get your mind right and 575 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: to back out of it. But I'm already looking at 576 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,719 Speaker 1: week zero. I'm already looking at week one. You know, 577 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: last year we did a really nice job kind of 578 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 1: setting the stage for some of the upsets that came 579 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,439 Speaker 1: in September in college football. Are there any games that 580 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 1: you're looking forward to early in the season, And if not, 581 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 1: I have a couple that I'd like to throw your 582 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: way to just gauge your interest. I'll start it with 583 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 1: and maybe this one was already targeted for you, But 584 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: NC State who it would far be it from the 585 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: Wolfpack to buckle under preseason expectations, a team that's I 586 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: think they've taken the mantle from old school Clemson, where 587 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,719 Speaker 1: there was a clemsoning situation. Anti State now is just 588 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: being overhyped to a crazy level. I've seen multiple too 589 00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: early top twenty fives with them in the top ten. 590 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily see that. But they're opening at East Carolina, 591 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: a team that has been you know, absolutely just prickly 592 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,120 Speaker 1: to deal with. Can you imagine how electric their home 593 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: crowd is gonna be in Greenville with an opportunity to 594 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: take down potentially a top ten program. How do you 595 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: feel about the Pirates? And is that a game that 596 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: really gets your chili running hot to start the college 597 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: football season. 598 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,199 Speaker 2: It's so funny you mentioned that because I have not 599 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 2: looked at the schedule at all, So even as you 600 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 2: started talking about NC State, I had no idea who 601 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 2: you were gonna say they were playing, and I was 602 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 2: trying to think of my follow up, and what I 603 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 2: was gonna say was it's not a true come out 604 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 2: of nowhere like like he was. But Olan Aylors might 605 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 2: have to be our Bailey is happy this year because 606 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 2: whoa big talk. He just he's one of those guys 607 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 2: where like he has so much, he always looks like 608 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 2: he's like one step away from being like nasty, and 609 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 2: he just doesn't really get there. And he's back for 610 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 2: what his seventh year so I'm hoping. Yeah, I'm hoping 611 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 2: he does get there. I love it. Just like I said, 612 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 2: I've not looked at the schedule, so just at the top, 613 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 2: I didn't know you're asking me this. At the top 614 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 2: of my head. I'm excited to bet whoever Northern Illinois 615 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 2: plays to beat the wheels off them early in the year, 616 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 2: assuming Rocky Lombardi's back, because they were the you know, 617 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 2: they pulled a lucky rab oi their hat every game 618 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 2: to the MAC Championship. I'm going to continue to lose 619 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 2: all my money betting against them, So I'm excited to 620 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 2: watch whoever they play in the early non con beat 621 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 2: the brakes off of them. Yeah, I like, I mean, 622 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 2: Fresno State, they'll probably be a popular one. I think 623 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 2: they kind of jumped that bandwagon, but I'm still riding them. 624 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 2: We were on them a lot last year, so Fresno 625 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 2: States definitely what I'm excited about. Yeah, I will be 626 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 2: on We will be on ECU quite a bit this year. 627 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: Northern Illinois opening up with Eastern Illinois, but they do 628 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: get an opportunity near the end of the month at Kentucky, 629 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: so an opportunity to show out. Yeah, you know, bringing 630 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: up Northern Illinois. It allows me to bookend what has 631 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: been a really positive podcast and a lot of good 632 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: vibes being thrown towards G five players. I would like 633 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: to do the opposite because for those of you that 634 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: bet on them in their bowl game and it was 635 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: one of my longer legged parlays and needing Northern Illinois 636 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: to win that game, it's really hard to run a 637 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: red zone offense inside the ten for three plays and 638 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: not throw the ball in the end zone once. So 639 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: the Huskies were able to accomplish that. They are on 640 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: my They're not quite on my do not bet list, 641 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: but they are certainly a team that as soon as 642 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: I see that a little Husky logo just starts to 643 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: fire me up. And that's what college football and college 644 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: betting is all about. You know, you have teams that 645 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: have this soft spot for you. You have teams that you'll 646 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: slam on the table as soon as you think of them. 647 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: But Northern Illinois in the Doghouster made no pun intended. Mike, 648 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: this has been great. Do you have any other final 649 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 1: questions before we wrap Part two of our Draft G 650 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: five podcast? Here? 651 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually do have one more question. And maybe 652 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 2: this is gonna be way out of order because I 653 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 2: thought of it as you were talking about something else. 654 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 2: I was looking at my notes to kind of go 655 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 2: back to the draft. I was looking at, you know, 656 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 2: one position. We really haven't talked about it all, and 657 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 2: I want to get your thoughts on overall. I think 658 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 2: everyone agrees this is a very weak running back draft 659 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 2: class across the board. We really haven't talked running backs 660 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 2: at all in either of these episodes. You know, I 661 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 2: think I mentioned last week, I think Tyler Algier is 662 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,959 Speaker 2: the top G five guys. But I'm gonna run down 663 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 2: some of the G five names I expect to be drafted. 664 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 2: These are guys that we did like in college. Do 665 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 2: you see any of them having realistic NFL starter, you know, upside, 666 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 2: even reliable backup, you know, two headed monster. We got 667 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 2: Tyler Algeer out of BYU who I do think he 668 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 2: has obviously the most upside. Jerome Ford at Cincinnati's interesting 669 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 2: because Alabama transfer obviously break he does have that you 670 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 2: know speed that in the games, he has speed, but 671 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 2: he tested really poorly at the combine. He ran a 672 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 2: four to four six and for a guy who's known 673 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 2: for being that breakaway speed that was a pretty weak 674 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 2: forty time, and then some of that, you know down 675 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 2: the list. Some of the other names. Obviously our boy, 676 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 2: Sincere McCormick, who we love, how does he project the NFL? 677 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 2: DeVante Price from Florida International, Ronnie Rivers from President State, 678 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 2: kind of disappointing you, to be honest with you. Brian 679 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 2: Kobak from Toledo. I believe he ended up. Did he 680 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 2: lead he finished leading the country in rushing right or 681 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 2: did what's his face for Michigan State? Shamari Jones another 682 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 2: one coast to Carolina. Do you see any of them 683 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 2: having you know, what's kind of the ceiling on any 684 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 2: of those guys in your opinion? 685 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: You know, when you're running through the names. Sincere McCormick 686 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: is is a player who I think certainly can handle 687 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: an NFL workload. But the one that I mean to 688 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: jump for me, Jerome Ford. I don't care about any 689 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: hit his measurables and you know, quote unquote playing football 690 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: in shorts. When I watched him, he was the only 691 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: thing that was explosive outside of Alec Pierce in the 692 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: Cincinnati offense. He can be a home run hitter. He 693 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: has good size at you know, over two hundred and 694 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: ten pounds at his frame, so I like him a lot. 695 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: I think he could end up being the best G 696 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: five running back from this class. But I'm glad you 697 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: brought up DeVante Price, because if you're going to take 698 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,479 Speaker 1: a swing and you know, hope for an Alfred Morris 699 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: type player late in the draft who ends up coming 700 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: in as a rookie and running for over a thousand yards, 701 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 1: I want a home run hitter. I want someone who 702 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: in a current NFL landscape where in most cases you 703 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: have three and four wide receivers on the field, you're 704 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: spreading things out. He is a legit sub four to 705 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: four guy, and he had some huge runs for the 706 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: Panthers this year an FIU offense that was a mess otherwise, 707 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 1: So he's my pick to if he ends up going 708 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: the sixth and seventh round, I would feel really good 709 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: if I needed a rotational running back from an NFL 710 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: perspective to add into the mix. I think he's somebody 711 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: who could pop going from a bad offensive situation FIU. 712 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: If he gets in the right situation in the NFL, 713 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: I think that could be really advantageous for him. So 714 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: I'm glad to see that he's on people's radar. 715 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 2: At least he's a crazy one. When I was looking 716 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 2: through like different mock drafts from you know, the ten 717 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 2: thousand websites that do mock drafts, like, I saw his 718 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 2: name popping in like the fourth round, and I think 719 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 2: one of them had him like third round, and then 720 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 2: there were drafts Adam seventh round, and there were drafts 721 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 2: Adam undrafted. He definitely seems to be the one where 722 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 2: people cannot get a read on him where you know, 723 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,359 Speaker 2: like I said, he's he's maybe the most widely, the 724 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 2: widest range of draft projections I've seen of any player 725 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 2: in the G five. So I'm glad you kind of 726 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 2: went into a little more detailed price because he is 727 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 2: kind of my one. I'm the most interested to see 728 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 2: where he ends up. 729 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the hard things to kind of quantify 730 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 1: or you know, put a grade to or really understand 731 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 1: is and I'll put myself outside of the draft circles. 732 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,320 Speaker 1: That's not something that I do for the Action Network 733 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: or spend a lot of time kind of dissecting. But 734 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: one of the hardest parts is understanding the importance of 735 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,240 Speaker 1: pass protection from the running back position, and every single 736 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 1: thing that I read about him, it was in the 737 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: weakness category. And that makes it difficult for teams like 738 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: you have to be such a plus pass catcher to 739 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: offset that because in a lot of cases, yes, you 740 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 1: know they're going to bring him in to be a 741 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: change of pace, but if it's a pass play, even 742 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: if he's running a route, the quarterback needs to have 743 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,839 Speaker 1: the faith in him if he calls an audible because 744 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 1: the numbers aren't right, you know at the line of scrimmage, 745 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: that can he actually add any value or protect your 746 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: number one asset for your NFL franchise. And I think 747 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: that's what keeps a lot of these home run hitter 748 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: running backs whore kind of just you know, a single 749 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 1: type player, and he is that speed player keeps them 750 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: on the sideline because they can't be trustworthy in pass protection. 751 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 2: You draft Demante Price the Eagles because they have like 752 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 2: seventeen players that are just like him, and they just 753 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 2: continue to sign and draft running backs that are the 754 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 2: exact same player. He has Eagles written all over him. 755 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: All right, you heard it here first, Mike Anell call 756 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,439 Speaker 1: him a shot to the Eagles. I'm sure an exacta bet. 757 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 1: If you can find a book that'll take it, I'll 758 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 1: give you, you know, fifty to one odds on something 759 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: like that. So I like ending it on that note. 760 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 1: For Mike Ainello, I'm Mike Calabaris. This has been the 761 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 1: Group of five Deep Dive under the Big Bets on 762 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 1: Campus podcast Banner Excited to bring you college football contents. 763 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: We'll be back over the summer, getting into season previews, futures, 764 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 1: all that good stuff to get you fired up for 765 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: the return of college football at the end of August, 766 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: get into week zero, we'll be here with all the 767 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 1: G five action and also hopefully to break down some 768 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,360 Speaker 1: of the musical chairs, you know, the Big twelve essentially 769 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,320 Speaker 1: going in and raiding the AAC. How does the AAC respond? 770 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,400 Speaker 1: The Sun Belt now potentially positioned to be the strongest 771 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: G five conference moving forward, lots of interesting intrigued to 772 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 1: dig into there, and as we said in the podcast 773 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 1: last week, maybe they'll send us to Sun Belt Media Days. 774 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 1: It's going to keep throwing that out there, speaking it 775 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: into reality, a little bit of magical thinking, and be 776 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,359 Speaker 1: sure to check out our college baseball content starting soon 777 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 1: here with Colin Wilson we'll be looking of everything on 778 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 1: the collegiate diamond, leading all the way to Omaha, where 779 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,479 Speaker 1: all roads end for college baseball programs. Should be really 780 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: exciting content. Make sure to keep an eye on your 781 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 1: podcast feed for that coming down the pike. All right, 782 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 1: that's it for us, Thanks so much for listening, and 783 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: enjoy the NFL Draft