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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving week. Buck. If you you got all your food,

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Speaker 1: are a couple of things that trouble me about the

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Speaker 1: l A Rams. So much of the credit we gave

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Speaker 1: to Sean McVeigh for elevating Jared Goff where right now

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Speaker 1: this is when coaching really matters, and coaches have to

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Speaker 1: always stay one step ahead of the posse, meaning when

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Speaker 1: uh you an offensive coach in the National Football League,

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Speaker 1: the things that we've learned quickly. Defensive coaches A, they're

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Speaker 1: just in a hurry, and so you always have to

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Speaker 1: have a CounterPunch that enables you to continue to kind

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Speaker 1: of stay ahead of them. What I'm disappointed in when

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Speaker 1: I look at the Rams, I mean, this has been

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Speaker 1: a consistent theme since the Bears game of season ago.

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Speaker 1: We saw the Bears slow them down. We then saw

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Speaker 1: the Patriots throttle them in the super Bowl, and we

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Speaker 1: knew that every defensive coordinator in the league was going

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Speaker 1: to look at that Super Bowl tape and see what

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Speaker 1: the Patriots did to slow them down, and the Rams

446
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Speaker 1: would need to have an answer to combat that. To

447
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Speaker 1: this point, they have not had a consistent answer to

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Speaker 1: the way teams are playing where there's that six one

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Speaker 1: front where they're loading up and containing the edges and

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Speaker 1: making them run inside. Teams have found out that the

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Speaker 1: Rams are really weak up the middle. Uh center guard

452
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Speaker 1: play has not been their strength, and so because they

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Speaker 1: can't move people off the ball and they can't get

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Speaker 1: to the edges, they're running game is null and void.

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Speaker 1: Without the threat of a solid running game, they're now

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Speaker 1: having to throw when everyone in the stadium knows they

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Speaker 1: have to throw. The threat of the play action isn't

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Speaker 1: um credible enough for people to kind of slow down.

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Speaker 1: And so Jerry Golf is now being forced to make

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Speaker 1: more tight window throws, more throws against loaded coverage, and

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Speaker 1: he's having a tough time like any quarterback would have.

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Speaker 1: And so Sean McVeigh has to figure out what are

463
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Speaker 1: the next steps? What can I do to diversify this offense?

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Speaker 1: What are the things that we can do to put

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Speaker 1: the defense back on their heels. That is a challenge

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Speaker 1: that he has to has to That's a question that

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Speaker 1: he has to answer. And right now he has come

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Speaker 1: up with zeros and I'm beginning to wonder what else

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Speaker 1: does he have in the bag because he hasn't been

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Speaker 1: able to really overcome this challenge. This is what would

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Speaker 1: concern me as well with the Rams Buck When you

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Speaker 1: look at this team, the money tied up in a

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Speaker 1: handful of players, right, and they're gonna have to pay

474
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Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey whatever he wants after partner with the pick um,

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Speaker 1: so he's gonna get up a huge chunk of that.

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Speaker 1: Then you look at the offensive line. That's not that's

477
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Speaker 1: not a good offensive line. Andrew Wittworth We're probably coming

478
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Speaker 1: to the end of that one right there, so you're

479
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Speaker 1: gonna need to replace him. Um, so you've got and

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Speaker 1: I think receiver wise you've got You've got really good players.

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Speaker 1: But I wouldn't say that you have a true alpha

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Speaker 1: dog number one. A bunch of bees, A bunch of bees,

483
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Speaker 1: bunch of bunch of bees and b pluses Todd Gurley

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Speaker 1: with his health situation going forward. That scares me. No

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Speaker 1: first round pick next year. A lot of your money

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Speaker 1: is tied up. You look inside the division, buck, look

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Speaker 1: at San Francisco where they are with the youth on

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Speaker 1: their team on defense as well as you know kind

489
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Speaker 1: of their continue to grow offensively. They're an elite team

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Speaker 1: right now. The Seattle Seahawks completely rebuilt their team on

491
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Speaker 1: the fly. They're one of the best teams in football.

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Speaker 1: And the Arizona Cardinals have probably the most exciting young quarterback.

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Speaker 1: You know, talking about this first second year guys, I

494
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Speaker 1: don't know if you would take anybody over Kyler Murray

495
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Speaker 1: the way he's playing. They're only going to get better.

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Speaker 1: So man that when you look at the landscape of

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Speaker 1: their roster, their division and going forward, the money that's

498
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Speaker 1: hied up the lot of having a first round pick.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not a great look, man, when you

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Speaker 1: really step back and look at it here, No, it's

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Speaker 1: not a great look. And I think also DJ we

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Speaker 1: we will go kind of for a circle. We talked

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Speaker 1: about Baltimore and the way that Baltimore plays beat him

504
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Speaker 1: up style of football. That's kind of like Rockham sock

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Speaker 1: Hm Robots, where two teams in their division, San Francisco

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Speaker 1: and Seattle, they played the same way. So are the

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Speaker 1: Rams equipped to deal with these teams that kind of

508
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Speaker 1: want to play in a phone booth? And so we

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Speaker 1: always talked about it, and this is something that I

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Speaker 1: think both of us learned in our previous stop. I

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Speaker 1: learned this as a player in Buffalo, where Marv Levy

512
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Speaker 1: said the easiest way to get to the playoffs is

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Speaker 1: to own your division, and when you build your team,

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Speaker 1: you got to build it with your division in mind.

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Speaker 1: Right now, when I look at the Rams, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if they're built to win their division because the

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Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine is in the Seattle Seahawks run heavy,

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Speaker 1: dynamic quarterbacks that are athletic, physical defenses. And I will

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Speaker 1: say Seattle's defense is a couple of notches below San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: But they run hard, they play with effort, they are physical,

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Speaker 1: they try and dictate the terms. When I look at

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Speaker 1: the L A. Rams, I don't know if they're still

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Speaker 1: equipped to deal with those teams. And so without first

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Speaker 1: round picks, without the money to go and kind of

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Speaker 1: flip the roster. It is on Sean McVeigh and his

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Speaker 1: offensive staff and his coaching staff to be creative with

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Speaker 1: what they have and are they creative enough to come

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Speaker 1: up with answers to deal with these beat him up

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Speaker 1: teams that are in the division. Oh, it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: interesting to see and remember the Rams and Chargers going

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Speaker 1: into that new stadium, uh next year. Neither team really

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Speaker 1: where they want to be at this point in time.

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Speaker 1: Trying to get some of that momentum going into the

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Speaker 1: new building will be anxious. I'll be anxious to see

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Speaker 1: how the roster changes for both those teams as we

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Speaker 1: we go into next season. Buck, I want to talk

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Speaker 1: about some of these college players who might be watching.

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Speaker 1: But before we get to the college players, I kind

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Speaker 1: of talked to you about this before we started the

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Speaker 1: episode and wanted to get your thoughts on the air

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Speaker 1: on this one because I was thinking about as a

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Speaker 1: college season winds down and we're starting to see some

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Speaker 1: college coaching changes take place. We know the NFL, we've

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Speaker 1: already seen one change there with the Washington Redskins, will

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Speaker 1: see more. There's gonna be jobs that open up, and

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Speaker 1: inevitably we're gonna hear stories and rumors about college coaches

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Speaker 1: jumping up a level. A couple names that I would

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Speaker 1: say keep an eye on a Matt Rule we've talked about,

549
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Speaker 1: We've had him on the show. Hopefully you guys enjoyed

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Speaker 1: that interview. Matt Rule would be a candidate. Matt Campbell,

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Speaker 1: who has a phenomenal reputation at Iowa State's young bright

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Speaker 1: coach is another one. But this third one, I don't

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Speaker 1: know that we've really heard talked about much in terms

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Speaker 1: of making the leap up to the next level. And

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Speaker 1: I think, um, I've got an interesting location for where

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Speaker 1: he could end up, and that's Dan Mullen. Dan Mullen

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Speaker 1: is at Florida. Dan Mullen, for everybody knows who's under

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Speaker 1: Urban Myers offensive coordinator, the names of Mississippi State as

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Speaker 1: head coach there, got that program up to number I

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Speaker 1: think there were number one or number two in the

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Speaker 1: country at one point in time there Mississippi State. Now

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Speaker 1: he's at Florida trying to get that thing rolling. But

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Speaker 1: this is somebody that has, you know, creative, offensive mind um,

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Speaker 1: somebody who um is up on kind of some of

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Speaker 1: the quarterback run game that we're seeing now more and

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Speaker 1: more in the NFL. So you can add some of that.

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Speaker 1: He's still youthful, still energetic, still passionate, and having coach

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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott at Mississippi State book man, he checks a

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Speaker 1: lot of boxes. If the Dallas Cowboys did decide to

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Speaker 1: move on from Jason Garrett after the year was up,

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Speaker 1: I would not sleep on Dan Mullin as a potential

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Speaker 1: candidate there. So, so how about this DJ, because when

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Speaker 1: you mentioned it prior to the show, it makes a

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Speaker 1: lot of sense. It makes a lot of sense in

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Speaker 1: this regard. The connection that he already has with Dak

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Speaker 1: Prescott is significant because I am sure Dak Prescott and

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Speaker 1: Dan Mullin have continued to maintain a relationship. So Dan

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Speaker 1: Mullin has not only seen Dad Pressott, Dak Prescott's growth

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Speaker 1: from his time as a high schooler to being a

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Speaker 1: college player who was a legitimate candidate to win the

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Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy to now watching him from Afar grow and

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Speaker 1: develop as an NFL quarterback, You would like to think

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Speaker 1: that because they have a relationship, he would be able

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Speaker 1: to continue to add pieces to the offensive puzzle that

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Speaker 1: would enable Dak Prescott to continue to take his game

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Speaker 1: up a level. Because he also knows Dak Prescott, he

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Speaker 1: knows the leadership ability, he knows where he's at. He

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Speaker 1: can build an offense that is really suited to where

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Speaker 1: he is and where he can go. His creativity now

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Speaker 1: comes at the great time because more than ever, NFL

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Speaker 1: offenses are beginning to look like the college offenses that

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Speaker 1: we see on Saturdays. Also, the success that Cliff Kingsbury

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Speaker 1: has had quickly transitioning from uh of college football coach

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Speaker 1: to an NFL coach and have an offensive success now

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Speaker 1: leads me to believe that Dan Mullin will be able

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Speaker 1: to do that. I would suggest that if Dan Mullen

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Speaker 1: makes the leap to the pros, he then needs to

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Speaker 1: find an old school NFL defensive coordinator that could also

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Speaker 1: kind of serve as the assistant head coach to allow

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Speaker 1: him to really focus on the offense and building that up.

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Speaker 1: I think what is interesting when I look at Dan

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Speaker 1: mullins offenses at Mississippi State and at Florida, they're not

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Speaker 1: quite what Baltimore runs, but they are Baltimore like meaning

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Speaker 1: gap scheme, downhill, power scheme. It's not the traditional zone

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Speaker 1: read because when I look at Baltimore, Baltimore is beating

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Speaker 1: people up, running power, running downhill, coming down hill. Dan

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Speaker 1: Mullins has familiarity in creating that and with Dallas's offensive

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Speaker 1: line that would be a better fit not only with

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Speaker 1: the offensive line moving people off the ball, but with

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Speaker 1: the big fel Ezekiel Elliott behind them. And so you

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Speaker 1: bring that up. I think it makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 1: It is one of those names that um you certainly

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Speaker 1: had associated because all of the names that we heard

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Speaker 1: was Lincoln, Riley, Urban Meyer. Dan Mullins makes a lot

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Speaker 1: of sense, and they probably could lure him away from

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Speaker 1: Florida with a pretty substantra check. It's at Dallas Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: I mean absolutely, so forty seven years old buck and

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Speaker 1: I'm just looking up his his resume here, So two

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Speaker 1: thousand seventeen, the year before he got the Florida Florida

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Speaker 1: was four and seven. Okay, in two thousand eighteen, Dan Mullen,

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Speaker 1: they go ten and three. Right now they're nine and two.

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Speaker 1: They're nine and two and there their two losses are

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Speaker 1: to l s U who was you know whether number

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Speaker 1: one in the country and Georgia, two top five teams.

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Speaker 1: Those are their two losses. Um, so a guy can coach.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's a good, good football coach to win

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Speaker 1: Mississippi State the way that he did. Um, I didn't

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Speaker 1: realize he's only forty seven years old. I know it

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Speaker 1: says on here, this is Wikipedia. Take it for what

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Speaker 1: it's worth. Uh, he's making six million a year there

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Speaker 1: at Florida, so he's not he's not hurting for money.

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Speaker 1: But the Dallas Cowboys aren't either. So UM, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about different names. And I'm a big

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Speaker 1: Matt Campbell fan. I think he's a he's a star.

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Speaker 1: And what he's able to accomplish there at Iowa State.

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Speaker 1: I look at guys, Buck you win, you went at

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Speaker 1: the Mississippi States in the Iowa States. Go back to

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Speaker 1: Urban Meyer, winning at the Bowling Greens, you know, winning

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Speaker 1: at the Utah's at at a level they're not used

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Speaker 1: to her accustomed to that tells me you're darned good

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Speaker 1: football coach, UM, And I think your point. We we

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Speaker 1: talked about this when we talked about it when we

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Speaker 1: were solictening names for those team building UH podcasts, that

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Speaker 1: we wanted to see guys who had orchestrated a couple

645
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: of different turnarounds, because then you know they have a

646
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: proven track record of success when you go to mad

647
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: rule Man rule that turned around in two places. Temple,

648
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: which was main struggling when he took over, he quickly

649
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: got them up. They had back to back ten win

650
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,719
Speaker 1: seasons before he left Baylor. He inherited a mess at

651
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: Baylor coming off the Art Brows situation, in the scandal

652
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: that surrounded their program, got them up and running after

653
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: one eleven season, got him a winning season. They're gonna

654
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: finish UH maybe as a um A conference champion because

655
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: they've earned the right to go to the Big twelve

656
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: title game. So we know that he has a formula

657
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: that works. In Dan Mullins, we've seen it, Missy b

658
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: State took over, made them a winner. Then we see

659
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: him what he's been able to do at Florida, So

660
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,239
Speaker 1: we understand that they certainly understand how to build it

661
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: from the ground up. Matt Campbell is interesting because he

662
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: has also done that. The only thing that I don't

663
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: I don't know of an NFL tie And so um,

664
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Speaker 1: how does that? Yeah, how does that? How does that work?

665
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: Except that I read something. I read something about him

666
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: that said after one of his first years I don't

667
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: know if it was at Mount Union or where he

668
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: was early on in his coaching career, that the Patriots

669
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: tried to hire him, which I thought Scott Pioli. They

670
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: said Scott Pioli had been around him and tried to

671
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: hire him when he was really young. I mean, so

672
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: ver NFL people, I have an affinity for this guy

673
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: and know this. Look, he's look, he's smart. You can't

674
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: deny what he's been able to do at Iowa State because, um,

675
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: we've talked about it all these coaches. Can you do

676
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: more with less? Because if you can do more with less,

677
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: you would like to think that, man, it give you more. Yeah,

678
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: we give you more. Imagine what you can pull off?

679
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: And so um, he has done that. I do believe

680
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: in that. And I also think, um, this last coaching

681
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: cycle and looking at what it kind of turned out,

682
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: I think owners are going to look for something a

683
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: little different. Um, the hey coach has to be more

684
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: than just an offensive play called it. The hey coach

685
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 1: has to be a guy that is a visionary that

686
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: can create a program. I would be more concerned and

687
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: interesting and and and trying to hire someone that's a

688
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: program builder, someone that understands how to really build it

689
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: from the ground up more so than someone who has

690
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: a sexy playbook, because we're seeing the best leaders are

691
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: the ones that are winning games at each and every level.

692
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: One other interesting note here we're talking about college coaches

693
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: making a leap up to the NFL. Somebody told me

694
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: this yesterday that since I guess this is UH, is

695
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 1: this the second year for the UH for the December

696
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: signing period, But they said, you know, last year, we

697
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 1: did not see any NFL coaches hired for college jobs.

698
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: Like a lot of times you'll see a you know,

699
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 1: a quarterback coach or you know, defensive coordinator, offensive coordinator

700
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,720
Speaker 1: the NFL level will will take a college job because

701
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: sometimes they can wait to fill those jobs until the

702
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 1: NFL season concludes. But now that they have the signing period,

703
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: he said, that's just not gonna happen anymore. It's never

704
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: gonna be more difficult for a NFL coordinator to get

705
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: a college head coaching job because of this whole change

706
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: in the early signing data. I thought that was pretty interesting.

707
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: I mean, that's it's true because it has changed everything.

708
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,959
Speaker 1: Um the signing period being in early December has made

709
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: it where UM NFL coaches don't have the opportunity to

710
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: kind of get a feet on the ground, Like, yeah,

711
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: you can't. You lose an entire recruiting class if you

712
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: wait on an NFL coach. UM. And the funny thing

713
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: for me when I look at UM NFL coaches going

714
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 1: down to college, if they have a quick understanding of

715
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,720
Speaker 1: how to recruit, how to build an NFL like front

716
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: office at the collegiate level, I think we have seen

717
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: some success. When you just look at um Meil Tucker

718
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: going down in Colorado and they are coming off a

719
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: big win against you dub having the experience and being

720
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: able to go down and and make those things. I

721
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: do believe that you can have success herm Edwards having

722
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: success at Arizona State where they just coming off a

723
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: big when at Oregon. Yes, it's different when you have

724
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: the recruiting element, and you do need to hire what

725
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: I call some young aggressive recruiters. But the game is

726
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: one where I think NFL coaches can go down to

727
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: the collegiate game and have success. So you are having

728
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: that and also with the money being the same, and

729
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: I mean I think the stability at both levels are

730
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: now about the same. Um. I would I like to

731
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 1: see more NFL coaches kind of dip down and see

732
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: what kind of success they can have building programs, because

733
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Speaker 1: he could give me an opportunity to come back up.

734
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: Just look at Matt Ruling what we're talking about, because

735
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: he had been an NFL assistant for like a year

736
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: or so, comes down to collegiate level, shows people that

737
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: he can build a program, And now his name is

738
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: being mentioned not only at top college jobs, but also

739
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: for some of these NFL jobs that are sure to

740
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: open up. Matt Rule, UM, Matt Campbell, Dan Mullen, one

741
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: of these guys, if not multiple, these guys are gonna

742
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: get opportunities for NFL gigs here coming up in this

743
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: next thing. Yeah, because DJ see what happens. It is

744
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: easily when the NFL hiring cycle comes, we've exhausted the

745
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: offensive pipeline, Like, there aren't many offensive coaches that are

746
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: left or or ready to kind of make that next jump.

747
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 1: So owners are gonna have to look elsewhere. And the

748
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: easiest place to look is in the collegiate rates to

749
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: see if you can find a new hot, attractive name,

750
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: someone that can build a program, something to keep an

751
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: eye on there. Uh, And do you want to hit

752
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 1: on any players before we get out of here, Buck,

753
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: I was looking through my notes the guys I want

754
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,720
Speaker 1: to hit on, but I feel like we've talked about

755
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: the guys I had written down numerous times. So yeah,

756
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: but I have nobody there to add to the mix. No,

757
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 1: but I do believe like coming off those big games

758
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: that we saw, So we saw Arizona State and Oregon

759
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: and in Ohio State and Penn State. Um, sometimes we

760
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: gotta play the hits. I am having the toughest time

761
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: with the Justin Herbert evaluation. Um, Justin Justin Herbert is

762
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: everybody else. I mean, he's prototypical, he has size, he

763
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: has arm, talent, he's rung up. I mean he's put

764
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: up some impressive stats, but I kind of feel like

765
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 1: they're they're almost like potato chips. A lot of empty calories. Right,

766
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: so when when I watch him play and I'm watching

767
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: play against Arizona State and I'm looking for like a

768
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: signature win, I'm looking for a drive when he comes back.

769
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: We've talked about franchise quarterbacks need to have kind of

770
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: this over my dead body will that you feel, and

771
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 1: and I just haven't seen those and so I don't

772
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: know how if you never see those moments at Oregon

773
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: that you're confident that those moments will come in the pros.

774
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 1: And we've talked about some of these quarterbacks, and early

775
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: in the podcasts we talked about Lamar Jackson and even

776
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, at least at their respective schools. I felt

777
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: like I have a handful of games that both of

778
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 1: those guys look like the best player on the field.

779
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson not only in his Heisman season, but in

780
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 1: the second season coming after that, you felt like, okay, man,

781
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 1: this dude is awesome, Like he is absolutely taking this

782
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: game over. Pat Mahomes. We we felt that with Justin Herbert.

783
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if I have a game that I

784
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 1: can go um in the library gonna say, hey, this

785
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: is the game where he absolutely took it over and

786
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: that's troubling to me if I'm kind of viewing him

787
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: and ranking him as a franchise quarterback, particularly if I'm

788
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: considering him as the number one guy in the class.

789
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 1: I just don't know if I can hang my hat

790
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: on that. I was thinking about the difference between him

791
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: and Josh Allen, right, because two huge athletic, strong arm passers. Right.

792
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: To me, Herbert is robotic and Josh Allen is creative.

793
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: And you know, you live with some of the downside

794
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: stuff there with Josh Allen, but he's there. There's there's

795
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: a playmaking quality that he possesses. When things aren't going well,

796
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: he can make something happen. And with Justin Herbert, I

797
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: just get it. It's just a little too robotic for me.

798
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: Like I want to see him play outside the scheme

799
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: a little bit more run around. You're a great athlete, man,

800
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: go make a play. Um. And I just feel like

801
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: it's a lot of one read throws. Um. He misses

802
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: some gimmes, he makes some wild throws from the pocket.

803
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got a huge arm, and then you

804
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: could cut up ten throws and be like whoa, um.

805
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: But then it's just I want to see him just

806
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: be a little more fluid, a little more loose, a

807
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: little more creative. I just don't haven't seen that side

808
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: of his game. No, I haven't seen this side of

809
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: his game, and I wonder about that. You are right

810
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 1: about Josh Allen being creative, and Josh Allen has really

811
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 1: improved this year. It's not always reflective in as completion percentage.

812
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: He still can be prone to make some mistakes. But

813
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: there's one thing that you can deny. He's added energy

814
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: to the Buffalo Bills. He's also added playmaking and at

815
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: the end of the day, we've heard several coaches that

816
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 1: have come on when talking about the quarterback position. I

817
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: remember Urban Meyer and even Lou Hole saying this, the

818
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: guy needs to be a playmaker. At the end of

819
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: the day. I need him to make plays like everything

820
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 1: can be from my mouth to designing the perfect play

821
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: for him to do it. Sometimes he has to bail

822
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: you out. I haven't seen Justin Herbert bail out the

823
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: Oregon offense enough to feel good about him as my

824
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. Maybe that will come later in the season.

825
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: Maybe we're still a flash or a snippet of that

826
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: uh in a old game but the time is running

827
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: out because he has played some significant games and for

828
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: us to continue to talk about like we haven't seen that,

829
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: to me is troubling, especially when you are basically going

830
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: to have him go against Joe Burrow and even to U,

831
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: we have seen those guys have those moments where they

832
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: made these plays that have not been scripted, that have

833
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: not been creative designs by the coach. They just Hey,

834
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: I gotta go make a play because my team needs it.

835
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: You need that element if you're gonna be a franchise

836
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL. Yeah, it's gonna be a tricky evaluation,

837
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: no doubt. Last One State guys Chase Young lived up

838
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: to it. And j K Dobbins, by the way, if

839
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: I if I'm if I'm giving my what if we

840
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: have November, if I'm giving my November Red Star, which

841
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: you know I'll hand out red Stars once we get

842
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 1: to uh you know, usually do that in April, once

843
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: you've had a chance to really get to know all

844
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: these kids who your favorite players are. But off all

845
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: the guys I've seen, j K. Dobbins might be my

846
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: red Star right now. Buck. I love the way that

847
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: dude runs. Look DJ is is something about having a

848
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: running back that you can give it to and just

849
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: trust him that he's gonna find a way to make

850
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: it happen. I think the thing that a significant independent

851
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 1: state game thirty six carries, thirty six carries, to me,

852
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: signifies that you not only have the stamina endurance to

853
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: be a workhorse back, but that you wanted the ball

854
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: at a time when we're seeing backs by committee more

855
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: than ever. To me, as an old school scout, there's

856
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: still something to seeing a guy towed it and told

857
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: it repeatedly because I need to see your stamina, I

858
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Speaker 1: need to see your want to. I need to see

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Speaker 1: how you perform when you're tired but the game is

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Speaker 1: still on the line. Can I trust you with the

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Speaker 1: ball in your hands when we have to have those

862
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Speaker 1: guy to have it plays? J. K. Dobbins has certainly

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Speaker 1: displayed that. But the first kid that you talked about,

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Speaker 1: Chase Young, I saw you. I saw your tweet after

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Speaker 1: that where you said, hey, my top fifty be released

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Speaker 1: and I have number one and Chase Young and twenty

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Speaker 1: two through five d r tv D to think about Chase,

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Speaker 1: To think about Chase Young best remarkable sixteen and a

869
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Speaker 1: half sacks. That's one thing. Sixteen and a half sacks

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Speaker 1: while missing two games is another. But the way that

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Speaker 1: he goes about getting his sacks DJ it's hard to

872
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Speaker 1: find something that you don't like. He's long, he's athletic,

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Speaker 1: he has a complete toolbox. He plays hard, he finishes,

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Speaker 1: He's a natural leader. There's a presence about him when

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Speaker 1: he's on the defense. And we have seen him play

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Speaker 1: in the last two years when he played alongside Bosa,

877
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Speaker 1: and I mean, you're like, whoa man, who's this guy? Like,

878
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Speaker 1: I know he's a young fellow, but he pops. And

879
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Speaker 1: we've said scouting is really simple when I turn on

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Speaker 1: the tape, especially when I'm looking at good guys, I

881
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Speaker 1: want to be able to be like, okay, cool, real quick,

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Speaker 1: five minutes, I've seen my guy. He shows up. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to have to run through the tape and

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00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: look for these plays where's like, hey, wait to the

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Speaker 1: fifth minute mark in the fourth quarter. I want to

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Speaker 1: see him stand out and in these big games against

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Speaker 1: a big time team in Penn Sate, he jumped off

888
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Speaker 1: the tape and it's something that he has consistently done

889
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Speaker 1: throughout his career. Yeah, Chase young to me, is the

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Speaker 1: best player in college football, and if he comes out,

891
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Speaker 1: he is certainly the best player in this class. And

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Speaker 1: then the teams at the top, they're gonna have to

893
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Speaker 1: make a tough decision because we talked about it last week.

894
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Speaker 1: Those core positions that you have to have to build

895
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Speaker 1: a team. Quarterback, pass rusher, left tackle, cornerback. He's a

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Speaker 1: pass rusher that everyone wants. Where do you stack him

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Speaker 1: against some of the quarterbacks in the class. I'll tell

898
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Speaker 1: you what. We've had this discussion in years past, and

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Speaker 1: we'll have it this spring. And I've got more work

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Speaker 1: to do on on Burrow. But man, I usually say,

901
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: if it's close, you know you never take I will

902
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: take a I will take a really good quarterback over

903
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Speaker 1: a great anything else, because the quarterback position is is

904
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Speaker 1: what it is, the most important position in sports. If

905
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: you don't have one, you gotta get one. However, Hall

906
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: of Fame type pass rusher, once a generation type pass

907
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Speaker 1: rusher is the second most important thing to the quarterback position.

908
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Speaker 1: And I don't think I'd have the courage to pass

909
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Speaker 1: on somebody like that for what I think is a

910
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: really good quarterback. I think I crossed my fingers and toes.

911
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna find that quarterback in another avenue or another year. Um,

912
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Speaker 1: but I don't know if I want to have that

913
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Speaker 1: on my resume that I'll let that dude slip through

914
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Speaker 1: my fingers. No, DJ, I agree with you. Um. I

915
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Speaker 1: think sometimes you get a grade the talent for the talent,

916
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Speaker 1: and I think it's hard to poke holes at Chase Young.

917
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Speaker 1: I think he is uh. His football character is solid.

918
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Speaker 1: I think he loves the game. I think as a

919
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 1: parent in the way that he plays. Uh, you check

920
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: off the boxes from the physical prototypes. He's long, he's athletic, Um,

921
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Speaker 1: he gets after it. He has a variety of moves.

922
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: He's not just one of those one trick ponies that

923
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,760
Speaker 1: uses his speed. Um. There's a lot to love about

924
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Speaker 1: him as a prospect. And when you talk about being

925
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Speaker 1: a franchise because you're picking number one, you're looking for

926
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Speaker 1: franchise type guys. He's a franchise player. He is someone

927
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Speaker 1: that you build around, and whoever sitting at the top

928
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: of the board, it is going to be difficult to

929
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Speaker 1: bypass him if he's there, regardless of which quarterback is available. Yeah,

930
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be fun. We have plenty of time to

931
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: dig into all these guys as we get further on

932
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Speaker 1: into the spring. Um, anything else you want to add,

933
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Speaker 1: Buck before we roll out of here, No, man, I

934
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: think that was that was a great podcast. That's that's

935
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Speaker 1: That's kind of one of the things that when we

936
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: talked about working together and doing podcasts, these conversations are

937
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Speaker 1: the one because these are the conversations that you have

938
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Speaker 1: in meeting rooms. From the way that we talked about

939
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens and Lamar Jackson and the way they

940
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: built their team and really elevated him and how he

941
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: elevated himself to the demise of the Rams, to talk

942
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: about these college coaches and then these players. Um, this

943
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: is why I want to be a part of stuff,

944
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: because these are the conversations that we want to have

945
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: and hopefully the least the listeners can appreciate, uh, the

946
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: realness that we're bringing when we have these discussions, because

947
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 1: this is what I really was fascinated about when you

948
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: take notes watching games and watching games over the course

949
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: of the weekend. Yeah, I know this is for those

950
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Speaker 1: who don't know, Like when me and Bucky talk on

951
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: the phone, like this is basically what this conversation between

952
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 1: me and it's kind of talking about what's going on

953
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Speaker 1: in the world, about oh yeah, what coaches could go

954
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: here there? Who would be the first pick? You know

955
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: what about the top teams? What's wrong with this team?

956
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: What's right with that team? That's what it was. This

957
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: an extended phone conversation. Now, I've read an article the

958
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: other day book that said last year there were five

959
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:22,280
Speaker 1: hundred thousand podcasts. This year there are seven hundred thousand.

960
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: So there are a lot of options out there. Everybody

961
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: in their uncle has a podcast. So I do want

962
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: to say on Thanksgiving week that we are thankful that

963
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: you guys make us a part of your routine here.

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Speaker 1: We do appreciate you guys listening to us. That's a

965
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: lot of that's a lot of company we have in

966
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Speaker 1: the podcast space. It is. It is a lot of company.

967
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Speaker 1: And like DJ we've talked about it, like both of

968
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: both of us are very very competitive, and we want

969
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: to make this the best podcast it's out there. So

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00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: to that point, um, if you're a listener and a

971
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: steady subscriber, please feel free to ask some comments. If

972
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Speaker 1: there are things that you like, things that you would

973
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: like to see as touch on and talk about. We're

974
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: definitely not afraid to venture into those topics. So just

975
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: let us know you talked about leaving comments and all

976
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: that other stuff. Do that and make sure you kind

977
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: of push up our rating on those uh those ranking lists.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, there you go. Apple Podcasts. We appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: All right, Happy Thanksgiving everybody. We appreciate you guys listening

980
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: to us, and we'll catch you next time. Right here on,

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Speaker 1: move the sticks.