WEBVTT - Hotline Confessions

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<v Speaker 1>Amy and TJ presents Aubrey Oday covering the Diddy Trial.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey guys, this is Aubrey from Amy and TJ presents

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<v Speaker 2>Aubrey O Day V covering the trial. I really am

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<v Speaker 2>so happy that you guys have been calling in and

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<v Speaker 2>utilizing that hotline that we gave you. We got tons

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<v Speaker 2>of voice messages text messages into our hotline and I

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<v Speaker 2>definitely want to go through a few of them today

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<v Speaker 2>for you. I'd love to continue to answer any questions

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<v Speaker 2>you have regarding the trial, So why don't we take

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<v Speaker 2>one of the messages.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi, Aubrey, my name is Nicole. I'm from Indiana. We've

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<v Speaker 3>actually met a couple times in Chicago. I do have

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<v Speaker 3>a question. I would just like to know what you

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<v Speaker 3>went through in making the band because I have followed

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<v Speaker 3>Danity Kine for years, and what are your emotional scars

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<v Speaker 3>and trauma from this and how do you heal from this?

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<v Speaker 3>And I just want to thank you for cover this

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<v Speaker 3>because the world needs to hear it.

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<v Speaker 2>Nicole from Indiana, that was such a thoughtful message, and

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<v Speaker 2>thank you so much for having supported me since that

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<v Speaker 2>long ago two decades and some change.

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<v Speaker 4>What did I go through on making the band.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I experienced a pattern of emotional manipulation through grooming,

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<v Speaker 2>rituals of control, physical mistreatment that I can't necessarily get

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<v Speaker 2>into the extent of, and I'm still trying to understand

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<v Speaker 2>the extent of to this day.

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<v Speaker 4>So far.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a deeply transformative period in which my sense

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<v Speaker 2>of self as a woman was shaped through the gaze

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<v Speaker 2>and influence of someone whose behavior we now understand was

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<v Speaker 2>deeply rooted in darkness. I'm trying to think, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm forty one now, and I was a child when

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<v Speaker 2>I started, and I was systematic positioned as the scapegoat

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<v Speaker 2>for the disillusion of Danity Kane and the decline of

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<v Speaker 2>making the band and basically the whole franchise, and a

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<v Speaker 2>narrative was crafted, both allegedly internally and definitely absolutely publicly,

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<v Speaker 2>and it painted me as difficult, not group oriented, and

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<v Speaker 2>ultimately that I was a harmful person to business and

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<v Speaker 2>when you're in his position like that and branded like

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<v Speaker 2>that on national TV, especially on MTV, which was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like the network to go to at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>The humiliation of having me go through all of that

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<v Speaker 2>and then sit through three part finales where Diddy's in

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<v Speaker 2>a robe in Miami, smoking a cigar and I'm on

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<v Speaker 2>stage alone with no support, like trying to be as

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<v Speaker 2>brave as I possibly could. But truly, you know, they

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<v Speaker 2>ensured through runs that the whole world got the picture

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<v Speaker 2>that they intended to give me. And over time, that

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<v Speaker 2>narrative not only distorted how the world saw me, but

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<v Speaker 2>how I saw myself. And if I didn't play into

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<v Speaker 2>that narrative, I was left without work. And over time

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<v Speaker 2>I also felt because of that narrative that the most

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<v Speaker 2>important thing that I had to offer any relationship was

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<v Speaker 2>my sexuality, personal and work. It's kind of it boxed

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<v Speaker 2>me into a place where I almost believed the messaging myself.

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<v Speaker 2>For a very long period of time, I had a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of dark days. I was left without work, and

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<v Speaker 2>over time that narrative was kind of like stripping me

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<v Speaker 2>of the complexity, talent, intellect and the value that I

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<v Speaker 2>truly bring to the table. And it really forced me

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<v Speaker 2>to fight for an identity during my entire career that

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<v Speaker 2>I never consented too. And only now am I finding

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<v Speaker 2>myself being able to set the appropriate boundaries and make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that I'm only doing work that I can sent

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<v Speaker 2>to and that.

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<v Speaker 4>Aligns with the purpose that I feel.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish my life could have started at back when

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<v Speaker 2>I was just a kid.

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<v Speaker 5>Hi, Yes, I'm calling in. My name is CALLI, and

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<v Speaker 5>I just wanted to really comment about, for me, as

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<v Speaker 5>a survivor of domestic abuse, how triggering Cassie's testimony was

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<v Speaker 5>to hear and how discussing I think it is for

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<v Speaker 5>people to comment on how a DV survivor should act,

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<v Speaker 5>or when she should leave, or what she should do

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<v Speaker 5>when you've never been in that situation. I was with

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<v Speaker 5>a man twenty years. He didn't have nearly as much

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<v Speaker 5>money or thatcher or pull as Ditty, and it took

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<v Speaker 5>me twenty years to away from that man.

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<v Speaker 2>Kelly, I'm so sorry to hear what you have been through,

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<v Speaker 2>especially for twenty years. I can't imagine the damage and

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<v Speaker 2>the toll that that took on your soul. And I

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<v Speaker 2>am just sending so much positivity and healing and.

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<v Speaker 4>Self love your way.

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<v Speaker 2>I pray that you're surrounded in a bubble by it

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<v Speaker 2>for the rest of your life on this earth.

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<v Speaker 4>You deserve so much.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>To answer your question in regards to DV through my

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<v Speaker 2>own experience, abuse happens in cycles. It doesn't happen all

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<v Speaker 2>at once. I think that's something that people aren't truly getting.

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<v Speaker 2>In my personal experience, I would experience love, this incredible,

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful love that made me feel like especially from somebody

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<v Speaker 2>that had a you know, much more established presence, more money,

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<v Speaker 2>more power, more of a reputation and a fan base

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<v Speaker 2>than me. I remember nights where I would go into

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<v Speaker 2>the bathroom and lift my shirt up and like lay

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<v Speaker 2>on the marble tile just so I could feel something

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<v Speaker 2>real because everything around me was so foreign and didn't

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know me.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't even know what I was seeing me do

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<v Speaker 4>and be.

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<v Speaker 2>And then that's followed up by an apology of course,

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<v Speaker 2>and sometimes gifts depending on you know, if the guy

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<v Speaker 2>has money or not, and so then you kind of

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<v Speaker 2>lose sight of all the trauma.

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<v Speaker 4>It never goes away.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think you ever talk it outside of your body,

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<v Speaker 2>even in therapy or any types of alternative healing. I

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<v Speaker 2>think you just learn to create boundaries that you know

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<v Speaker 2>will established that you're never going to be in a

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<v Speaker 2>situation like that again, and that's where your power really

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<v Speaker 2>comes from. But a lot of people don't underst stand

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<v Speaker 2>trauma bonding and intermittent reinforcement. It's basically like love followed

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<v Speaker 2>by cruelty. It conditions the brain to crave approval from

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<v Speaker 2>the very person that's harming you, and that is the

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<v Speaker 2>part that keeps us there for like in your case,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty years, it's just this constant cycle of trauma bonding.

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<v Speaker 2>And then also there's shame, there's judgment and coming forward

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<v Speaker 2>and telling people and that this was key for me,

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<v Speaker 2>there's identity erosion. I didn't feel talented, smart, successful, beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I was being made fun of constantly. So

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<v Speaker 2>the identity erosion for me was so big, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's so big for so many women when I

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<v Speaker 2>hear how long they stay, and when they're very long lengths,

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<v Speaker 2>it usually has to do with a low self worth

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<v Speaker 2>And it doesn't necessarily mean that you went into the

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<v Speaker 2>relationship with that, but the ident the erosion is a

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<v Speaker 2>big part. It just breaks you down, isolates you, and

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<v Speaker 2>it convinces you that what's hurting you is the only

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<v Speaker 2>thing that's holding you together as well. So at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the day, I really want to make it

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<v Speaker 2>clear victims do not stay because they're weak. They stay

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<v Speaker 2>because abuse rewires their reality.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Aubrey, this is Jean Pierre bon Jovi. No one

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<v Speaker 1>has been discussing the alleged remarks of how everyone within

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<v Speaker 1>the you know, the bad boy circle who was really

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<v Speaker 1>close to him, and we will have to tell all

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<v Speaker 1>books mysteriously all I died from these same issues, which

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<v Speaker 1>was demonia at very young, at a very young age,

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<v Speaker 1>with no prior history.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Jean Paul, this is a little bit more and

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<v Speaker 2>I'll listen. If we if this was like Aubrey not

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<v Speaker 2>in her professional blazer, I would just serve you the tea.

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<v Speaker 4>But because we are, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>We're taking this very seriously and we're reporting on this

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<v Speaker 2>trial accurately.

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<v Speaker 4>I can just discuss your question.

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<v Speaker 2>By using things that are occurring and that have been

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<v Speaker 2>in the new news and media without giving you my

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<v Speaker 2>personal thoughts on the situation. But you're right, there have

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<v Speaker 2>been several figures who have been a part of Diddy's

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<v Speaker 2>professional and personal circle, artist, producers, bodyguards, assistants that I've

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<v Speaker 2>died young, often with causes listed as pneumonia, cardiac arrest,

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<v Speaker 2>undisclosed causes or accidents with limited follow up in public records,

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<v Speaker 2>and even allegedly murder. You know, KVD came forward in

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<v Speaker 2>the courtroom and shouted out, Puffy offered me this amount

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<v Speaker 2>of money to kill Pok. I mean that's in transcripts,

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<v Speaker 2>on record, on legal record. Now that's allegedly according to him.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm assuming that if at some point the FEDS want

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<v Speaker 2>to look deeper into any of this is more of

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<v Speaker 2>like the rack tearing side of charges, that there could

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<v Speaker 2>these things could be followed up on, and that the

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<v Speaker 2>appropriate amount of time and investigation could be given into

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<v Speaker 2>any of these situations.

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<v Speaker 4>Most recently, the example that I can think of.

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<v Speaker 2>Is I'll be sure he has come forward and been

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<v Speaker 2>very vocal about the suspicion the suspicious deaths, especially in

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<v Speaker 2>regards to the twoenty twenty two coma that he fell into,

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<v Speaker 2>claiming that he was almost murdered and that foul play

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<v Speaker 2>was involved that he believes Ditty was involved with allegedly,

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<v Speaker 2>and he also allegedly pointed to Kim Porter's twenty eighteen death,

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<v Speaker 2>officially from pneumonia as very suspicious and potentially something that

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<v Speaker 2>Ditty was allegedly involved in. I know that he's written

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<v Speaker 2>a book, and he also said that he was subpoena

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<v Speaker 2>for this trial. I don't know that we'll hear from him,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't know what details the book has it,

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<v Speaker 2>but there are people that are coming forward and making

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<v Speaker 2>very very strong, serious allegations in regards to what you're discussing.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do want to make clear that there's no

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<v Speaker 2>verified evidence yet that Diddy is connected to anyone's death.

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<v Speaker 2>And just because you go down rabbit holes on YouTube

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<v Speaker 2>or see a bunch of TikTokers put something together, take

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<v Speaker 2>all of that with a grain of salt. These are

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<v Speaker 2>very serious charges and they do need to be proved.

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<v Speaker 2>But the volume of allegations emerging, whistleblowers, suspicious timings of

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<v Speaker 2>some of the deaths, I don't think it's unreasonable for people,

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<v Speaker 2>even like I'll be sure to publicly question the official stories.

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<v Speaker 2>It's circumstantial, but it's troubling, very troubling.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, my name is Ryan, So let me just say

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<v Speaker 1>that this podcast is the only coverage that I have

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<v Speaker 1>been obsessed with, the only one that I have been

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<v Speaker 1>sending people. So my question is, while he's away, do

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<v Speaker 1>you think that he has people keeping their eyes and

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<v Speaker 1>ears to the streets in terms of like what movest

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<v Speaker 1>publication is spreading X Y z about him? Who's saying

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<v Speaker 1>this about him?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>What now? So he can have people carry out dirty

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<v Speaker 1>work for him?

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<v Speaker 2>I love these questions because normally I'm covering trial stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>which you know is all the legal technical stuff. But

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<v Speaker 2>this is what the streets really want to know. So

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for your question. Does he have people carrying

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<v Speaker 2>out potential dirty work while he is in jail during

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<v Speaker 2>this trial? In my opinion, yes, it's entirely possible in theory.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also historically not uncommon in cases involving powerful, wealthy

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<v Speaker 2>individuals facing serious federal charges.

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<v Speaker 4>So I do want to.

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<v Speaker 2>Though, break down some things that can be related back

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<v Speaker 2>to trial that could suggest that this is absolutely likely occurring.

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<v Speaker 2>There are multiple lawsuits and testimonies Cassie kid cut Ema

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<v Speaker 2>that have claimed that phones were monitored, associates were being

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<v Speaker 2>stalked or followed, victims feared retaliation, a whole lot of

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<v Speaker 2>that going on, a whole lot of that going on

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<v Speaker 2>that for years prior to anyone even understanding that all

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<v Speaker 2>of this was going to come out.

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<v Speaker 4>That scared a lot of us.

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<v Speaker 2>And then a lot of testimony that people were paid

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<v Speaker 2>or pressured to stay quiet. All of that is alleged

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<v Speaker 2>during testimony, and those would all those would all lean

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<v Speaker 2>toward yes being the answer to your question. Also, I

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<v Speaker 2>do want to say during the bail hearings, federal prosecutors

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<v Speaker 2>presented compelling evidence suggesting that he engaged in witness tampering

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<v Speaker 2>while incarcerated. There were unauthorized communications from jail, There were

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<v Speaker 2>seized handwritten notes, there were social media campaigns. I remember

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<v Speaker 2>at one point hearing a call between him and his

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<v Speaker 2>children somewhere near his birthday or on his birthday, and

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<v Speaker 2>him kind of like yelling at them to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>to get that video out with his baby on the

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<v Speaker 2>table and them all singing Happy birthday, and they were

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<v Speaker 2>Someone was like, hey, Dad, like the lawyers are saying

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<v Speaker 2>we shouldn't do that. That's not a good look. They

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<v Speaker 2>said to like, absolutely not post that. And he was

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<v Speaker 2>basically like, I don't give a fuck. It's my birthday.

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<v Speaker 2>Post it up. I don't care what they say. And

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of showed me. I mean, that's all like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, paraphrasing the overall idea that I got from it,

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<v Speaker 2>But basically that's saying to me that.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't even really about the genuine connection that he

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<v Speaker 2>was having with his kids on his birthday. It was

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<v Speaker 2>him wanting to prove to the world that he's still

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<v Speaker 2>on his birthday and maybe show all the support his

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<v Speaker 2>kids are giving him, to show some type of humanity

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<v Speaker 2>in favor of him prior.

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<v Speaker 4>To going into trial.

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<v Speaker 2>But as far as the unauthorized communications from jail, he

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<v Speaker 2>was using other inmates' phone access codes to make calls.

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<v Speaker 2>Allegedly there were three way calls where a party would

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<v Speaker 2>call somebody and he'd be having conversations with them. He

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<v Speaker 2>was using a service called contact Me ASAP to reach

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<v Speaker 2>unauthorized individuals. There was also in his third attempt, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>the man attempted three times to bail out and did not,

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<v Speaker 2>and the third one was contested a bit, but that's rare.

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<v Speaker 2>Normally you are able to bail out if the judge

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<v Speaker 2>does not see you as a risk or threat. And

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<v Speaker 2>there was one point in which they were able to

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<v Speaker 2>show a potential line of payment to somebody who had

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<v Speaker 2>come forward in the media and made accusations about certain

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<v Speaker 2>people that were involved with the trial being you know,

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<v Speaker 2>wanting the parties, wanting the lifestyle, and being inconsistent to

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<v Speaker 2>you know, what she experienced during her time with him.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know they were able to trace the money

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<v Speaker 2>on that and it didn't end up working. And the

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<v Speaker 2>judicial findings at the end of the day, I can

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<v Speaker 2>read them to you. The US District Judge sub Romanian

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<v Speaker 2>denied bail, stating that there was compelling evidence of Combe's

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<v Speaker 2>propensity for violence and a serious risk of witness tampering.

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<v Speaker 2>The judge expressed doubt that any combination of conditions could

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<v Speaker 2>reasonably assure the safety of the community or prevent further

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<v Speaker 2>obstruction of justice. So with that being said, those are

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<v Speaker 2>the judges words. There's been a concern for it prior

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<v Speaker 2>to this trial, and I don't think that concerns like

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<v Speaker 2>that and behavior like that wrapped themselves up within a

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<v Speaker 2>tight little period of time that it's been since bailing,

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<v Speaker 2>since his bail requests and his trial began. So yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I would suggest it's a real possibility and let's see

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<v Speaker 2>what happens. You know, that's in the jury's hands at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the day. So call in ask us

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<v Speaker 2>anything you want to know about the ditty trial, any

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<v Speaker 4>We'd love to hear your thoughts. Once again.

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<v Speaker 2>The number is one eight four four four ask us Q.

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<v Speaker 2>And for those of you who just want the numbers

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<v Speaker 2>like I always do, it's one eight four four four

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<v Speaker 2>two seven five eight seven seven