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Speaker 1: Amy and TJ presents Aubrey Oday covering the Diddy Trial.

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Speaker 2: Hey guys, this is Aubrey from Amy and TJ presents

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Speaker 2: Aubrey O Day V covering the trial. I really am

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Speaker 2: so happy that you guys have been calling in and

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Speaker 2: utilizing that hotline that we gave you. We got tons

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Speaker 2: of voice messages text messages into our hotline and I

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Speaker 2: definitely want to go through a few of them today

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Speaker 2: for you. I'd love to continue to answer any questions

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Speaker 2: you have regarding the trial, So why don't we take

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Speaker 2: one of the messages.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Aubrey, my name is Nicole. I'm from Indiana. We've

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Speaker 3: actually met a couple times in Chicago. I do have

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Speaker 3: a question. I would just like to know what you

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Speaker 3: went through in making the band because I have followed

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Speaker 3: Danity Kine for years, and what are your emotional scars

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Speaker 3: and trauma from this and how do you heal from this?

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Speaker 3: And I just want to thank you for cover this

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Speaker 3: because the world needs to hear it.

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Speaker 2: Nicole from Indiana, that was such a thoughtful message, and

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for having supported me since that

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Speaker 2: long ago two decades and some change.

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Speaker 4: What did I go through on making the band.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I experienced a pattern of emotional manipulation through grooming,

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Speaker 2: rituals of control, physical mistreatment that I can't necessarily get

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Speaker 2: into the extent of, and I'm still trying to understand

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Speaker 2: the extent of to this day.

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Speaker 4: So far.

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Speaker 2: It was a deeply transformative period in which my sense

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Speaker 2: of self as a woman was shaped through the gaze

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Speaker 2: and influence of someone whose behavior we now understand was

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Speaker 2: deeply rooted in darkness. I'm trying to think, you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm forty one now, and I was a child when

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Speaker 2: I started, and I was systematic positioned as the scapegoat

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Speaker 2: for the disillusion of Danity Kane and the decline of

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Speaker 2: making the band and basically the whole franchise, and a

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Speaker 2: narrative was crafted, both allegedly internally and definitely absolutely publicly,

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Speaker 2: and it painted me as difficult, not group oriented, and

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Speaker 2: ultimately that I was a harmful person to business and

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Speaker 2: when you're in his position like that and branded like

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Speaker 2: that on national TV, especially on MTV, which was kind

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Speaker 2: The humiliation of having me go through all of that

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Speaker 2: and then sit through three part finales where Diddy's in

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Speaker 2: a robe in Miami, smoking a cigar and I'm on

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Speaker 2: stage alone with no support, like trying to be as

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Speaker 2: brave as I possibly could. But truly, you know, they

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Speaker 2: ensured through runs that the whole world got the picture

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Speaker 2: that they intended to give me. And over time, that

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Speaker 2: narrative not only distorted how the world saw me, but

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Speaker 2: how I saw myself. And if I didn't play into

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Speaker 2: that narrative, I was left without work. And over time

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Speaker 2: I also felt because of that narrative that the most

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Speaker 2: important thing that I had to offer any relationship was

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Speaker 2: my sexuality, personal and work. It's kind of it boxed

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Speaker 2: me into a place where I almost believed the messaging myself.

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Speaker 2: For a very long period of time, I had a

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Speaker 2: lot of dark days. I was left without work, and

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Speaker 2: over time that narrative was kind of like stripping me

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Speaker 2: of the complexity, talent, intellect and the value that I

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Speaker 2: to fight for an identity during my entire career that

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Speaker 2: I never consented too. And only now am I finding

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Speaker 2: myself being able to set the appropriate boundaries and make

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Speaker 2: sure that I'm only doing work that I can sent

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Speaker 2: to and that.

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Speaker 4: Aligns with the purpose that I feel.

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Speaker 2: I wish my life could have started at back when

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Speaker 2: I was just a kid.

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Speaker 5: Hi, Yes, I'm calling in. My name is CALLI, and

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Speaker 5: I just wanted to really comment about, for me, as

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Speaker 5: a survivor of domestic abuse, how triggering Cassie's testimony was

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Speaker 5: to hear and how discussing I think it is for

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Speaker 5: people to comment on how a DV survivor should act,

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Speaker 5: or when she should leave, or what she should do

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Speaker 5: when you've never been in that situation. I was with

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Speaker 5: a man twenty years. He didn't have nearly as much

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Speaker 5: money or thatcher or pull as Ditty, and it took

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Speaker 2: Kelly, I'm so sorry to hear what you have been through,

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Speaker 2: especially for twenty years. I can't imagine the damage and

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Speaker 2: am just sending so much positivity and healing and.

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Speaker 4: Self love your way.

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Speaker 2: I pray that you're surrounded in a bubble by it

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Speaker 4: You deserve so much.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: To answer your question in regards to DV through my

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Speaker 2: own experience, abuse happens in cycles. It doesn't happen all

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Speaker 2: at once. I think that's something that people aren't truly getting.

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Speaker 2: In my personal experience, I would experience love, this incredible,

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Speaker 2: beautiful love that made me feel like especially from somebody

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Speaker 2: than me. I remember nights where I would go into

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Speaker 4: I didn't even know what I was seeing me do

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Speaker 2: And then that's followed up by an apology of course,

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Speaker 2: and sometimes gifts depending on you know, if the guy

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Speaker 4: It never goes away.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you ever talk it outside of your body,

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Speaker 2: even in therapy or any types of alternative healing. I

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Speaker 2: think you just learn to create boundaries that you know

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Speaker 2: trauma bonding and intermittent reinforcement. It's basically like love followed

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Speaker 2: by cruelty. It conditions the brain to crave approval from

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Speaker 2: the very person that's harming you, and that is the

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Speaker 2: part that keeps us there for like in your case,

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Speaker 2: twenty years, it's just this constant cycle of trauma bonding.

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Speaker 2: And then also there's shame, there's judgment and coming forward

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Speaker 2: the identity erosion for me was so big, and I

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Speaker 2: hear how long they stay, and when they're very long lengths,

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Speaker 2: it usually has to do with a low self worth

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Speaker 2: And it doesn't necessarily mean that you went into the

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Speaker 2: it convinces you that what's hurting you is the only

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Speaker 2: clear victims do not stay because they're weak. They stay

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Speaker 1: Hey, Aubrey, this is Jean Pierre bon Jovi. No one

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Speaker 1: has been discussing the alleged remarks of how everyone within

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Speaker 1: the you know, the bad boy circle who was really

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Speaker 1: close to him, and we will have to tell all

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Speaker 1: books mysteriously all I died from these same issues, which

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Speaker 1: was demonia at very young, at a very young age,

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Speaker 1: with no prior history.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Jean Paul, this is a little bit more and

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Speaker 2: I'll listen. If we if this was like Aubrey not

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Speaker 2: in her professional blazer, I would just serve you the tea.

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Speaker 4: But because we are, you know.

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Speaker 2: We're taking this very seriously and we're reporting on this

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Speaker 4: I can just discuss your question.

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Speaker 2: By using things that are occurring and that have been

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Speaker 2: personal thoughts on the situation. But you're right, there have

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Speaker 2: been several figures who have been a part of Diddy's

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Speaker 2: and even allegedly murder. You know, KVD came forward in

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Speaker 2: on record, on legal record. Now that's allegedly according to him.

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Speaker 2: I'm assuming that if at some point the FEDS want

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Speaker 2: like the rack tearing side of charges, that there could

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Speaker 2: these things could be followed up on, and that the

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Speaker 4: Most recently, the example that I can think of.

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Speaker 2: Is I'll be sure he has come forward and been

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Speaker 2: very vocal about the suspicion the suspicious deaths, especially in

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Speaker 2: regards to the twoenty twenty two coma that he fell into,

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Speaker 2: and he also allegedly pointed to Kim Porter's twenty eighteen death,

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Speaker 2: officially from pneumonia as very suspicious and potentially something that

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Speaker 2: Ditty was allegedly involved in. I know that he's written

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Speaker 2: and I don't know what details the book has it,

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Speaker 2: But I do want to make clear that there's no

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Speaker 2: And just because you go down rabbit holes on YouTube

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Speaker 2: But the volume of allegations emerging, whistleblowers, suspicious timings of

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Speaker 2: some of the deaths, I don't think it's unreasonable for people,

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Speaker 2: even like I'll be sure to publicly question the official stories.

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Speaker 2: It's circumstantial, but it's troubling, very troubling.

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Speaker 1: Hi, my name is Ryan, So let me just say

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Speaker 1: that this podcast is the only coverage that I have

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Speaker 1: been obsessed with, the only one that I have been

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Speaker 1: sending people. So my question is, while he's away, do

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Speaker 1: you think that he has people keeping their eyes and

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Speaker 1: ears to the streets in terms of like what movest

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Speaker 1: publication is spreading X Y z about him? Who's saying

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 1: What now? So he can have people carry out dirty

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Speaker 2: I love these questions because normally I'm covering trial stuff,

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Speaker 2: which you know is all the legal technical stuff. But

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Speaker 2: this is what the streets really want to know. So

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Speaker 2: thank you for your question. Does he have people carrying

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Speaker 2: out potential dirty work while he is in jail during

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Speaker 2: this trial? In my opinion, yes, it's entirely possible in theory.

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Speaker 2: It's also historically not uncommon in cases involving powerful, wealthy

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Speaker 4: So I do want to.

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Speaker 2: Though, break down some things that can be related back

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Speaker 2: to trial that could suggest that this is absolutely likely occurring.

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Speaker 2: There are multiple lawsuits and testimonies Cassie kid cut Ema

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Speaker 2: that going on, a whole lot of that going on

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Speaker 2: that for years prior to anyone even understanding that all

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Speaker 4: That scared a lot of us.

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Speaker 2: And then a lot of testimony that people were paid

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Speaker 2: during testimony, and those would all those would all lean

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Speaker 2: toward yes being the answer to your question. Also, I

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Speaker 2: presented compelling evidence suggesting that he engaged in witness tampering

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Speaker 2: while incarcerated. There were unauthorized communications from jail, There were

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Speaker 2: seized handwritten notes, there were social media campaigns. I remember

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Speaker 2: at one point hearing a call between him and his

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Speaker 2: him kind of like yelling at them to make sure

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Speaker 2: Someone was like, hey, Dad, like the lawyers are saying

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Speaker 2: we shouldn't do that. That's not a good look. They

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Speaker 2: Post it up. I don't care what they say. And

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Speaker 2: that kind of showed me. I mean, that's all like,

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Speaker 2: you know, paraphrasing the overall idea that I got from it,

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Speaker 2: But basically that's saying to me that.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't even really about the genuine connection that he

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Speaker 2: him wanting to prove to the world that he's still

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Speaker 2: in favor of him prior.

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Speaker 4: To going into trial.

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Speaker 2: But as far as the unauthorized communications from jail, he

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Speaker 2: Allegedly there were three way calls where a party would

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Speaker 2: call somebody and he'd be having conversations with them. He

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Speaker 2: was using a service called contact Me ASAP to reach

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Speaker 2: unauthorized individuals. There was also in his third attempt, I mean,

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Speaker 2: the man attempted three times to bail out and did not,

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Speaker 2: and the third one was contested a bit, but that's rare.

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Speaker 2: Normally you are able to bail out if the judge

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Speaker 2: there was one point in which they were able to

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Speaker 2: show a potential line of payment to somebody who had

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Speaker 2: come forward in the media and made accusations about certain

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Speaker 2: people that were involved with the trial being you know,

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Speaker 2: wanting the parties, wanting the lifestyle, and being inconsistent to

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Speaker 2: you know, what she experienced during her time with him.

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Speaker 2: But you know they were able to trace the money

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Speaker 2: on that and it didn't end up working. And the

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Speaker 2: judicial findings at the end of the day, I can

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Speaker 2: read them to you. The US District Judge sub Romanian

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Speaker 2: denied bail, stating that there was compelling evidence of Combe's

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Speaker 2: The judge expressed doubt that any combination of conditions could

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Speaker 2: obstruction of justice. So with that being said, those are

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Speaker 2: the judges words. There's been a concern for it prior

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Speaker 2: to this trial, and I don't think that concerns like

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Speaker 2: since his bail requests and his trial began. So yes,

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Speaker 2: I would suggest it's a real possibility and let's see

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Speaker 2: what happens. You know, that's in the jury's hands at

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Speaker 2: the end of the day. So call in ask us

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Speaker 2: anything you want to know about the ditty trial, any

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Speaker 2: pressing questions that you have, any concerns that you may have,

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Speaker 2: Please leave us a voicemail, leave us a text message.

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Speaker 4: We'd love to hear your thoughts. Once again.

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Speaker 2: The number is one eight four four four ask us Q.

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Speaker 2: And for those of you who just want the numbers

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Speaker 2: like I always do, it's one eight four four four

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