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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in everybody to the Friday edition

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Speaker 1: of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. This is

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Speaker 1: Bucking NYC. My main man, Clay Travis out in Nashville, Tennessee,

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Speaker 1: Blue state, red state, covering the whole country here with

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Speaker 1: all of you. Thanks for being with us. We definitely

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Speaker 1: want to get to your calls today. It's open line Friday.

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Speaker 1: The great tradition continues. Eight hundred two eight two eight

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Speaker 1: eight two. We're gonna be talking a lot about the

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Speaker 1: vac's mandate today and perhaps if you have some insight

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Speaker 1: from what it's like where you are or what you're facing,

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Speaker 1: and if you're a business owner, if you're an employee,

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Speaker 1: curious to hear from all of you on that. We've

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Speaker 1: also got the Biden job numbers in today about one

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Speaker 1: hundred ninety nine thousand, and they were expecting four hundred thousand,

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Speaker 1: so about of fifty percent swing in a minute. So

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Speaker 1: Biden went on TV to do the usual, you know,

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Speaker 1: America's confused Grandpa routine of oh there weren't empty shelves

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Speaker 1: and Christmas, so be quiet peasants. You haven't run out

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Speaker 1: of milk and bread yet. You know, this is this

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Speaker 1: is the Biden explanation for everything these days. It could

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Speaker 1: be worse. It could be worse. We will certainly be

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Speaker 1: discussing that. And then, of course the aftermath, Clay and

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Speaker 1: I were both just kind of flabbergasted but not surprised

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Speaker 1: at the same time, I suppose by the absurdity of

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Speaker 1: the Vice President the United States, Kamala Harris, comparing Jan

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Speaker 1: six too, and look, we're at jan seven, and does

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Speaker 1: anyone even care what was said yesterday didn't mean anything? No,

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Speaker 1: of course not. It was just for CNN anchors to

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Speaker 1: go in a self righteousness parade for a few hours

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Speaker 1: and the New York Times to you know, to cry

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Speaker 1: more about how every day is jan six. But the

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Speaker 1: biggest thing that's happened in the last twenty four hours

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Speaker 1: and it's just really and it just really went on

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Speaker 1: this morning, so right before Clay and I came on

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Speaker 1: air with you has to do with the federal OSHA

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Speaker 1: vaccine mandate for companies at the over hun employees. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of moving pieces here, a lot of moving parts,

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Speaker 1: just the basics. There's been a request for a stay

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Speaker 1: which would stop the enforcement. The Supreme Court heard today

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Speaker 1: oral arguments, has not, as we speak, you and Clay

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Speaker 1: has not made a determination about that. Will probably take

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Speaker 1: a couple of days, that sounded like, to make a

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Speaker 1: final merits in June. Clay, there's a lot of things

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Speaker 1: going on here, constitutional issues, what works as a matter

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Speaker 1: of public health, federalism, states rights, the federal government, oh

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Speaker 1: shamand it all this stuff. The most stunning thing today

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Speaker 1: just going to say it, the Libs who love the

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Speaker 1: mandate Brier Sodamayor Kagan, particularly Soda Mayor might as well

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Speaker 1: They don't know what the heck they're talking about when

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Speaker 1: I'm not exaggerating at all. It's stunning how wildly ignorant

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Speaker 1: so let me get a little background, Buck, because I

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Speaker 1: on whether OSHA's administrative abilities extend to mandating the COVID vaccine.

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Speaker 1: I disagree with that expansive of a reading of a

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Speaker 1: can argue about that as citizens. That is a valid perspective.

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Speaker 1: But every opinion is founded in facts. And Justice Sotomayor

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Speaker 1: Of all of the COVID fear porn, as I call it,

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Speaker 1: and they're just testing positive for COVID. We heard these

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Speaker 1: so I think it was Aldo Clay, and you can correct,

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Speaker 1: Where did Justice Sodomayor get that hundred thousand kids are

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Speaker 1: constitutional issues are so important. There's no doubt. And I

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Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us again. Here I read your

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Speaker 1: was like a pro former response, right yeah, I think,

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Speaker 1: well we it was somebody didn't hadn't gotten the memo

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Speaker 1: yet that there was no way they were going to

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Speaker 1: do it. And it was like somewhat not awful, and

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Speaker 1: then in like within like an hour, it was like,

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Speaker 1: oh no, no, we meant to say that there's no

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Speaker 1: chance of this happening. Basically, Doc, I'm curious. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for speaking out as you have for a

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Speaker 1: long time. What would you say for everybody out there

436
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Speaker 1: listening as we got into the weekend? Is the latest

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Speaker 1: data on omicron in particular as it relates to delta,

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Speaker 1: what we have learned about it and what people out there,

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Speaker 1: particularly parents, as many schools are now trying to shut

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Speaker 1: down again, including Chicago, the Nations I believe, third largest

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Speaker 1: school district out there. The kids are still not in

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Speaker 1: school because the teachers won't go. What is the latest

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Speaker 1: data that you would want them to know and for

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Speaker 1: people to know as they go into their weekend. Well,

445
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Speaker 1: we are in the midst of a bad cold season.

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Speaker 1: If you think about a common cold virus that's going around,

447
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Speaker 1: that will in fact about half of everybody you know

448
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Speaker 1: with some degree of symptoms, either very mild or you know,

449
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Speaker 1: maybe they all get a bad cold. But there is

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Speaker 1: a cold going around. I call it the AMI cold

451
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Speaker 1: because now we have laboratory data that it's not infecting

452
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Speaker 1: the deep respiratory system, it's staying in the upper respiratory system.

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Speaker 1: We have epidemiological data that it's not driving hospitalizations. We

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Speaker 1: see massive surges in parts of the world with no

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Speaker 1: real change in death rates. By the way, we normally

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Speaker 1: see a surge in respiratory pathogens in the winter. That's normal,

457
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Speaker 1: but we're just not seeing it translate into the sort

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Speaker 1: of severe illness. And it's the good news is it's

459
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Speaker 1: replacing delta. That's good now. I don't want anyone to

460
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Speaker 1: get sick, ever, but homocon is good news. It is

461
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Speaker 1: nature's vaccine for those who will never have access to

462
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Speaker 1: a vaccine. It's displacing a far more dangerous variant, and

463
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Speaker 1: it gives cross immunity to that more dangerous variant. Doctor

464
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Speaker 1: McCarry of Johns Hopton's Universities with us right now, Doc,

465
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Speaker 1: it seems like the reality of the Biden administration policy

466
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Speaker 1: is that they're not even going to acknowledge that the

467
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Speaker 1: vaccination mandates as meant to stop the spread separate from

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Speaker 1: protection from an individual serious illness from COVID right hospitization

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Speaker 1: and death. And we always stipulate that, but as a

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Speaker 1: means of stopping the spread. Isn't it a failure? I mean,

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Speaker 1: we have all time high cases with two hundred million

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Speaker 1: people vaccinated. Well, what's interesting is there's some data showing

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Speaker 1: those with natural immunity, including those unvaccinated with natural immunity,

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Speaker 1: spread it less. There's less transmission. There's some good evidence. Now. Now, look,

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Speaker 1: I don't want people to run out there and just

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Speaker 1: get the infection, but we've got a lot of good

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Speaker 1: information that tells us this is burning through the population.

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Speaker 1: It's everywhere. It's almost impossible to avoid it. Cloth masks

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Speaker 1: are going to do nothing except impair the developmental issues

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Speaker 1: in a child. And we don't have a pandemic of

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Speaker 1: the unvaccinated right now. We have a common cold of everybody.

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Speaker 1: And the delta that's left out there is shrinking quickly,

483
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Speaker 1: is displaces it. And if you don't have immunity and

484
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: you're older and you're at risk, sure you could get

485
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: delta now and show up at a hospital. But by

486
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Speaker 1: and large, what we have is a at large common

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Speaker 1: cold that people just need to be aware of. Doctor McCarry,

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Speaker 1: We appreciate all the work that you are doing. Will

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Speaker 1: share your Twitter handle and people can follow you there

490
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Speaker 1: for the latest info, and we look forward to talking

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Speaker 1: to you again sometime soon. Good to be with you, guys. Thanks.

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Speaker 1: flying by on Friday. Thanks for being here with us.

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Speaker 1: Always appreciate it. We are going to get into some

518
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Speaker 1: more of the COVID madness and also the Supreme Court

519
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Speaker 1: oral arguments this morning next hour with our friends and

520
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: and Bream, who is a great mind, a great person

521
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Speaker 1: over at Fox News, and she'll talk to us about

522
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Speaker 1: what it looks like is going to happen on this

523
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: And remember the outcome of this case. If you work

524
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Speaker 1: for a company with more than one hundred employees, this

525
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: case affects your life in very real ways. So this

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Speaker 1: affects everybody. Listen to this all across the country. We

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Speaker 1: get in a second, but we also occasionally like to

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Speaker 1: give you just something of a public service announcement. You've

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Speaker 1: heard me before refer to mask anxiety disorder on the show,

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Speaker 1: and we want you to to know mask anxiety disorders. It's

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Speaker 1: very real, folks. It's out there. You see it all

532
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Speaker 1: over the place. So here's a PSA we put together

533
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Speaker 1: for you on it. Do you suffer from mad? Mask

534
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: anxiety disorder that feeling of complete paranoia brought on by

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Speaker 1: the sight of an uncovered face. Symptoms include being easily

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Speaker 1: triggered by the unmasked and the uncontrollable urge to be

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Speaker 1: a Karen, only associating with the double masked bonus if

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Speaker 1: they have a face shield, and ending every social media

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Speaker 1: post with hashtag masks forever. Other signs of m AD

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Speaker 1: include tradictory behavior. Ask yourself, if you wear a mask,

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Speaker 1: went outside always, even when alone while eating at the table,

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Speaker 1: You're safe. Everyone knows that in the shower, duh, like

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Speaker 1: wear a waterproof one. If left untreated, m AD can

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00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: spiral into a loop of self righteous virtue signaling, and

545
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: before you know it, your mask is loaded up with

546
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Speaker 1: liberal slogans and you're a troll. But there's hope. Mask

547
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: anxiety disorder can be cured by logic and common sense.

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Speaker 1: If you are someone you know suffers from m AD,

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00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: just listen to Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Give it

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Speaker 1: a week, let rationality sink in and they'll eventually take

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Speaker 1: it off or at least pull it down. Clay Travis

552
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: and Buck Sexton, we're moving one mask at a time

553
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Speaker 1: until we're all free. Oh yeah, that's well done by

554
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: the staff. Well done by the crew there. That is fantastic.

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Speaker 1: We'll share that on social by the way, if some

556
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: of you enjoy it and want to be able to

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00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: spread the gospel, so to speak, widely and far. And

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Speaker 1: we're having fun with it. But I do think that

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Speaker 1: it is actually I think that this is a manifestation

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Speaker 1: of an anxiety disorder. Really, I mean, the behavior makes

561
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Speaker 1: no sense. What's really amazing me through the people that

562
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Speaker 1: will say, oh, my kid likes it. You see parents

563
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: saying this one he said that they don't mind. These

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Speaker 1: people are crazy. They're actually I don't know what other

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Speaker 1: word to describe them with. They are actually crazy. There's

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Speaker 1: something wrong with them. Someone wants me to mask up.

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Speaker 1: I want to shout at them with profanity. It's not okay.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, I think the analogy of a

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Speaker 1: security blanket because I've had kids who all wanted a

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Speaker 1: security blanket. They carried them around. It helped to make

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Speaker 1: them comfortable. That is the perfect analogy for what we're

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Speaker 1: seeing adults engage in. And by the way, if you

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Speaker 1: believe that your mask makes you safer, and you want

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Speaker 1: to carry around your mask aka your nana aka your

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Speaker 1: security blanket, that's your right to do it. You can

576
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Speaker 1: also carry around a little Teddy Bear two. That's you're right.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be like, oh my god, but you know,

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Speaker 1: it gets to tell me that I have to do it.

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Speaker 1: And that's what gets missed so much in all of

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Speaker 1: this discussion. If you want to be double vaxed, and

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Speaker 1: then you want to get triple boostered, and then you

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Speaker 1: want to get quadruple boostered bucked. The front page of

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Speaker 1: the New York Times the other day said that there

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Speaker 1: are hypochondriacts, people who are super nervous that have already

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Speaker 1: gotten five or six boosters, like they just keep going

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Speaker 1: back to get another booster. That's a form of psychosis,

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Speaker 1: also likely to be rendering your overall protection lower. But

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Speaker 1: that's where these are the people that we are enabling

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Speaker 1: and encouraging in their anxiety. And again, where is Rachelle

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Speaker 1: Lensky on this? Where is doctor Fauci? Why aren't they

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Speaker 1: out there telling people, Hey, there's these reports. You know,

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Speaker 1: they'll make fun of iver mecht In. They'll say it's

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Speaker 1: a horse drug or whatever, a horse d wor marina.

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Speaker 1: People in the establishment. We'll make all these cants, even

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Speaker 1: about Remember when a hydroxy chloroquine and the fish tank

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Speaker 1: food and there was this whole thing about people are

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Speaker 1: eating fish tank cleaner and it was all crap, but

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Speaker 1: that got national news coverage. People getting four shots, getting

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Speaker 1: five shots. This is crazy, right, I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: like at some point they just have to understand this

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Speaker 1: is not rational and it should be spoken about in

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Speaker 1: this way. But you see in Fauci they've created this

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Speaker 1: system of it's almost like a social credit system with

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Speaker 1: how extreme you are over your anti COVID measures, More

605
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: is always better, so that the best among us are

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Speaker 1: those who basically go full hazmat suit plus face shield,

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Speaker 1: double mask inside it. Don't touch anything about rubber gloves.

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Speaker 1: You know, have the hand sanitizer. Why are they still

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Speaker 1: giving out hand sanitizer on planes? It does nothing? Why

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Speaker 1: do they do a good question? I got a good

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Speaker 1: question at out kick. I do an anonymous mailbag try

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Speaker 1: to every Tuesday, And somebody said, hey, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: a wedding and they're requiring proof of vaccination in order

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Speaker 1: to go. Not the venue like you had to deal

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Speaker 1: with Buck when your brother got married, but the actual

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Speaker 1: bride and groom are requiring vaccinations. And I just said,

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Speaker 1: take a step back. Imagine if it were December, let's

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Speaker 1: say January of twenty twenty. If you were going to

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Speaker 1: a wedding and they were saying, hey, we want to

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Speaker 1: make sure you've gotten your measles, mumps and rebella vaccine.

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Speaker 1: You're going to have to show up at the wedding

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Speaker 1: with your vaccine card. From when you were a kid,

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Speaker 1: you would have thought they were crazy if you had

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Speaker 1: heard anybody was going to be requiring vaccines. We think

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Speaker 1: about how transformative things have gotten that this which is utterly,

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Speaker 1: utterly absurd relative to all of human history. Right, We've

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Speaker 1: never lived in an arabuck where in order to go

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Speaker 1: into a restaurant you've had to prove anything, right, I

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Speaker 1: can't other than wearing a shirt and shoes or no

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Speaker 1: service or whatever. I can't remember there being any rule

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Speaker 1: to go into a restaurant. Now, if you're trying to

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Speaker 1: go to McDonald's in San Francisco. You have to show

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Speaker 1: them your COVID vaccine car. We never required that for measles, mumps,

634
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Speaker 1: and rebellah, which are far more common among kids, for instance. Right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they are required. The state is forcing people the big

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Speaker 1: estate now, the federal government of the Biden regime is

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Speaker 1: forcing people to take a medical risk. By the way,

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Speaker 1: there's pain. I mean, I remember when I got that.

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Speaker 1: There's pain associated with it. I mean, there's physical discomfort.

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Speaker 1: That's for almost everybody. Right, your arm is kind of

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Speaker 1: tender and swollen for a few days. They're forcing people

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Speaker 1: to endure physical pain to go about normal everyday aspects

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Speaker 1: of their lives, or else you must take these risks

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Speaker 1: that you don't want to take, or else you get

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Speaker 1: fired from your job. This is not just a question

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Speaker 1: of oh, the vaccines and the state versus the federal government.

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Speaker 1: There's also the fundamental transformation of the relationship between citizen

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Speaker 1: and government that's going on here. They can force you

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Speaker 1: to do this, what can't they force you to do?

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Speaker 1: It's well said. It's why the Spring Court needs to

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Speaker 1: sack up. You're listening to Clay Travis and Buck Sex

652
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Speaker 1: to fund the EiV network. Welcome back into the Clay

653
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Speaker 1: travisend Buck Sexton Show. We have, as promised, Shannon Bream

654
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Speaker 1: with us now. She is the chief legal correspondent over

655
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Speaker 1: at Fox News, also a hosted Fox News. Shannon, thanks

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Speaker 1: so much, great to be with you. What was your

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Speaker 1: biggest either takeaway, how a moment or just the first

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Speaker 1: thing as you finished listening this morning to the arguments

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Speaker 1: over the Biden administration OSHA mandate over vaccines, what struck

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Speaker 1: you about all this? Honestly, it was that some of

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Speaker 1: the information straight out of the gate that was coming

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Speaker 1: from some of the left leaning justices didn't seem to

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Speaker 1: line up with the latest information that we've been given

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Speaker 1: about Omicron, about the numbers of cases. Listen, everybody in

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Speaker 1: that courtroom, and everyone acknowledges this is a serious situation.

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Speaker 1: We have lost hundreds of thousands of Americans. But some

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Speaker 1: of what they were saying from the bench that would

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Speaker 1: lend support for upholding these mandates was just a lot

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Speaker 1: of folks thinks actually incorrect. Thank you for taking the

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Speaker 1: time to join us, because I know how busy today

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Speaker 1: is Shannon, And also, by the way, I know you

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Speaker 1: and I both had an awesome time down at the

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Speaker 1: Florida beaches. You are a Florida native. How are you coping?

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Speaker 1: Before I get to the serious stuff with the massive

675
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Speaker 1: snowfall amounts that are currently falling in DC. Well, and

676
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Speaker 1: you guys are getting it too in Nashville. And so listen,

677
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Speaker 1: we got another round last night. We're making the best

678
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Speaker 1: of it. I'm going to look out. I'm looking out

679
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Speaker 1: my window. I'm pretending it's sand and that mental trick

680
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: is getting me through, all right. So Buck and I

681
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: were just talking. It's clear that the left wing version

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Speaker 1: of the Supreme Court, the side of my your h

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Speaker 1: the Kagan and also the Brier votes are going to

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Speaker 1: support the right of the Osha Biden administration of OSHA

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Speaker 1: to mandate these vaccines. Will there be six votes on

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Speaker 1: the other side to not allow this mandate to take place?

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Speaker 1: I know it's difficult, but based on your read of

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Speaker 1: what you have seen so far, how is this going

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Speaker 1: to shake out in terms of where the justices are

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Speaker 1: coming down on the quote unquote right side of the equation. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's always tough to figure out exactly where

692
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Speaker 1: they're going after oral arguments. But the two cases, and

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Speaker 1: we can talk about the two different ones. But I

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Speaker 1: think the OSHA mandate is in more trouble than the

695
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Speaker 1: healthcare worker mandate, if you're talking about upholding it or not.

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Speaker 1: There seemed to be a lot more skepticism about how

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Speaker 1: far OSHA has gone. You know, Justice course it's brought up,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think he was the only one. The

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Speaker 1: fact that there is a sense that the administration is

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Speaker 1: doing it and end around and run around so that

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Speaker 1: Congress is not acted in this, so they're using federal

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Speaker 1: agencies to try to get this done, and that's something

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Speaker 1: you know. Ron Klaine from the White House raised a

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Speaker 1: lot of eye rolls when he retweeted some saying that

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Speaker 1: basically to that effect. So I think there was a

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Speaker 1: lot more skepticism with the ocean mandate and whether it's

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Speaker 1: overly broad and whether the government has the power to

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Speaker 1: now affect the lives of eighty million plus Americans by

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Speaker 1: those workplace mandates. We're speaking of Shannon Bream, chief legal

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Speaker 1: correspondent for Fox News and Fox News host Shannon there

711
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: was some back and forth to day Clay and I

712
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: are sitting here and you know, I unfortunately am thinking

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Speaker 1: right now it's probably going to go six to three

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Speaker 1: if this is just my guess in favor of keeping

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Speaker 1: the mandate, but we won't know that for quite some time.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, there is the issue of the stay,

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Speaker 1: and there was some discussion as to whether they would

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Speaker 1: take a few days to review before even ruling on

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Speaker 1: the stay meeting, that they wouldn't enforce the mandate while

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Speaker 1: they figure out if the mandate's actually constitutional. Do we

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Speaker 1: know where that stands right now? Do we have some

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Speaker 1: sense of that timeline? Yeah, I mean that's highly possible,

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Speaker 1: because remember, part of this mandate's was to kick in

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Speaker 1: in a couple of days, and so Justice Leo and

725
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Speaker 1: some others were pressing about, listen, what do we do

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Speaker 1: administrative stay meeting. We're not making a pronouncement on the

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Speaker 1: merits or how we're going to decide this case, but

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Speaker 1: we're just going to kind of pause things so that

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Speaker 1: we can go through the thousands and thousands of pages

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Speaker 1: of briefs and of documents and things that have been submitted,

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of like they do those continuing resolutions

732
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Speaker 1: over on the Hill. They'll do funding for three days

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Speaker 1: or for five days or something till they can get

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Speaker 1: the bigger problem solved. I think it's highly possible they

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Speaker 1: may do a quick pause, but there were justices who

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Speaker 1: immediately pushed back, saying people are dying every day. We

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Speaker 1: have new cases every day, hostilizations every day, so we

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Speaker 1: really shouldn't waste any time pausing this at all. We

739
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Speaker 1: need to make a decision. So I think whether they

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Speaker 1: do that little quick administrative pause or they go straight

741
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Speaker 1: to the merits and give us that decision, I think

742
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Speaker 1: it's just going to be a matter of days, not

743
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Speaker 1: the usual months that we'd be waiting for a case. Shannon,

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Speaker 1: you got to listen to most all of the arguments

745
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: we were on the air as this thing continued. You

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Speaker 1: mentioned the legislative sort of empty ground, but I thought

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Speaker 1: it was fairly significant and strategically intelligent, and I said

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Speaker 1: it at the time that to Set went on the

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Speaker 1: record about their opinion of Joe Biden's vaccine mandate, and

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Speaker 1: they voted fifty two to forty eight against it. Now,

751
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Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi hasn't allowed the House to vote, but the

752
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Speaker 1: Senate two Democrats joined all of the Republicans to say, hey,

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Speaker 1: we disagree with Joe Biden's expansive use of the executive authority.

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Speaker 1: Here through Osha. Did that come up in any kind

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Speaker 1: of substantive way as a part of the discussion, as

756
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Speaker 1: a sort of valedictory in terms of people who would say, hey,

757
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Speaker 1: you could never get this done if you had to

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Speaker 1: use the legislative branch. I had to step away a

759
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Speaker 1: couple of times for TV reports that I missed, but

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Speaker 1: I never heard a discussion or specific mention of the

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Speaker 1: Senates or that vote. Does that seem significant to you, Like,

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Speaker 1: isn't that a decent argument that this is an executive

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Speaker 1: overreach because the legislative branch in some way demonstrate they disagreed. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean the opponents of the mandate definitely are honing

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Speaker 1: in on that, like, listen, this has got to go

766
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Speaker 1: through Congress. They repeatedly went back to that and said,

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Speaker 1: if that hasn't been done, what you're doing here is

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Speaker 1: the federal branch, because remember months ago, the administration told

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Speaker 1: us there will be no federal mandate. That's not something

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Speaker 1: the federal government can do. But again, you know, opponents

771
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Speaker 1: of this are arguing, that's what you're doing through federal agencies.

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Speaker 1: You're in essence doing the thing you told us you

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Speaker 1: could not do. But listen, the liberal justices again repeatedly

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Speaker 1: pointed to case numbers and deaths and said, listen, this

775
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: is so serious. The government clearly has an interest in

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Speaker 1: protecting the American people, and this covers the most amount

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Speaker 1: of people in a way that is very convincing to them.

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Speaker 1: If they have to choose between their job and vaccination,

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Speaker 1: it's effective. Shannon, Where does the rest of the caseload

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Speaker 1: right now stand? On the there are a handful of

781
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Speaker 1: mandates that are being challenged just we can you can

782
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Speaker 1: you bring us up a speed on you know where

783
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Speaker 1: else this is going to be playing out or where

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Speaker 1: we stand with regard to you know, there's was the

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Speaker 1: federal contractor mandate, right, there's a number of that. It

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Speaker 1: sounded today like the Justice has just said military takes orders.

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Speaker 1: Military mandate's going to stand. But are there any others

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Speaker 1: that we should be looking out for. I mean, we've

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Speaker 1: got so many and the Justice is a number of them.

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Speaker 1: Did bring up the federal contractor or the healthcare the

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Speaker 1: OSHA that affects you know, private employers too, saying why

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Speaker 1: did the government take these specific actions? Because you've got

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Speaker 1: federal agencies essentially that can tell people what to do

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Speaker 1: why didn't they take some other actions? Why these specific targets.

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Speaker 1: So it's clear they're viewing all of these vaccines in

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Speaker 1: some case under the same umbrella. I mean, they're going

797
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Speaker 1: to be decided as different cases. But you know, whatever

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Speaker 1: the court does in these cases, and I do think

799
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Speaker 1: they could they could do a split here. I think

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Speaker 1: the healthcare worker mandate has a much stronger chance of

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Speaker 1: surviving these arguments. But they know that whatever markers they

802
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,919
Speaker 1: laid down are going to speak to the longer term

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Speaker 1: issue of federal power, the federal branch, what it can do,

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Speaker 1: the executive branch in this situation, and any other. I

805
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,760
Speaker 1: mean Justice Barrett brought up a couple of times like listen,

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Speaker 1: how do we know that this isn't going to still

807
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Speaker 1: be going on in two years? Another variant, more tests,

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Speaker 1: more problems. He said, you know, when do we stop

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Speaker 1: being under the emergency power for putting these things together?

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Speaker 1: And when do we get back to normal order? So

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Speaker 1: I think they're thinking always the justices, you know, like

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Speaker 1: ten chess steps ahead of where we are, and they

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Speaker 1: know that the long term applications are going to be

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Speaker 1: very broad, potentially, all right, Shannon. That I think is

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Speaker 1: well said, especially for Chief Justice Roberts. So this case

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Speaker 1: is important, and as you just laid out, it could

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Speaker 1: be seismically important in the years ahead as it pertains

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Speaker 1: to the executive branches authority in regulatory agencies. But also

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Speaker 1: we've got major blockbuster cases dealing with abortion that's going

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Speaker 1: to come down the pike in June. How much horse

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Speaker 1: trading could we see? And some people may be surprised

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Speaker 1: by this as it pertains to COVID and also for

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Speaker 1: future cases, let's say, in abortion cases, in terms of

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Speaker 1: the political dynamics associated with the court, you know, I

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Speaker 1: mean that's always possible. People like to think that they're

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Speaker 1: like you said, that it's just very clean. I mean

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Speaker 1: they usually the Friday after they hear cases, they take

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Speaker 1: a private vote. Only they know what happens behind closed doors.

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Speaker 1: No clerks know anybody. But then it starts because bill

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Speaker 1: a sign who is going to write what opinion? Pretty quickly,

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Speaker 1: and then you do start trying to persuade the votes

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Speaker 1: you think maybe close, like okay, if I include this

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Speaker 1: paragraph from you in my opinion, will you come over

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Speaker 1: and vote with us. There's a lot of that that

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Speaker 1: goes on back and forth. It's just the way the

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Speaker 1: court works. I don't think they would bleed that between cases,

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Speaker 1: say like COVID and abortion, but I do think between

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Speaker 1: these two COVID cases there could definitely be some horse

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Speaker 1: trading in there. We know they've had that abortion case

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Speaker 1: for a little while. It's going to take a long time,

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Speaker 1: and you know, our assessment coming out of it seemed

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Speaker 1: that they would be willing to uphold the Mississippi fifteen

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Speaker 1: week and later ban on abortion. But the question remains,

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Speaker 1: will they go further after Row or Casey. So we

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Speaker 1: always it's fascinating to me to watch and wait, I'm

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a legal nerd. Not everybody probably

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Speaker 1: finds this as exciting, but there's definitely so much behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes drama that happens. Shannon brim A, Fox News

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Speaker 1: Shan and thanks so much. Great to talk to you,

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