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Speaker 1: training live from the Dallas Cowboys World head hours at
Speaker 1: the Star in Friscola. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brothers,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones, and welcome into Talking Cowboys
Speaker 1: final practice of the week before the cowboys third preseason
Speaker 1: game against the Houston Texans at AT and T Stadium
Speaker 1: on Saturday night. Rob Phillips, Mickey Spagnola, Brian brought us
Speaker 1: right down yonder. Bill Jones might be joining us again today,
Speaker 1: He's got some TV duties to attend to. U. Cowboys
Speaker 1: starting to trickle onto the practice field here for like
Speaker 1: I said, it's the third open practice of the week
Speaker 1: and their last prep if you want to call it
Speaker 1: prep for for the preseason game against Houston first though,
Speaker 1: a somber feeling among the Cowboys organizations the Cowboys family
Speaker 1: this morning, as former Cowboys quarterback and current play by
Speaker 1: play man Babe Laffenberg's son Luke passed away after a
Speaker 1: courageous fight with cancer. Um just awful news, uh, that
Speaker 1: that Babe announced today and that you know, word has
Speaker 1: gotten through the Cowboys family. Just a tough moment right now.
Speaker 1: You know, guys, it's never easy, even if you that
Speaker 1: was sort of the expected outcome. Unfortunately, when Luke's cancer
Speaker 1: came back, and and then when it happens, it just
Speaker 1: it just hits you, and it hit the head coach,
Speaker 1: which in turn hit the rest of us. I think
Speaker 1: when he talked for about I don't know, what do
Speaker 1: you think two minutes trying to explain what he thought
Speaker 1: of Luke and just go to Dallas Cowboys dot com
Speaker 1: you'll be able to listen to it. And that's all
Speaker 1: he talked about today. It was very brief, and I
Speaker 1: don't think anybody would have even tried to ask a
Speaker 1: football question. So yeah, it was pretty sad to see
Speaker 1: Jason in that situation. He's out at practice right now,
Speaker 1: standing on the fifty yard line and I think practice
Speaker 1: probably gonna it might start a little late. I'm sure
Speaker 1: it took him a while to compose himself. He was
Speaker 1: very close to Babe and to Luke, Babe's family, and
Speaker 1: so this one I think it hit really hard. And
Speaker 1: if if I noticed right, it looked like he and
Speaker 1: Darryl Johnston had an embraced there just before we came
Speaker 1: on the air. So, yeah, tough day. And as Jason said,
Speaker 1: he was an amazing young man. How hard he tried
Speaker 1: to fight to defeat this, and he had some choices
Speaker 1: and his last choice was I'll do everything I can
Speaker 1: to try to live. Coaches do a great job of
Speaker 1: putting things in perspective. They understand they deal with a
Speaker 1: lot of emotions as they go along. It was very
Speaker 1: difficult to watch Jason Garrett stand up there because he
Speaker 1: was clearly grieving. We've always seen him as being a
Speaker 1: rock up there. If you want to say, I you know,
Speaker 1: we've all had our difference. I mean I've had differences,
Speaker 1: but you saw the human side of him today in
Speaker 1: this press conference. So he obviously has lost a close friend.
Speaker 1: It means a lot to him. You know, he tried.
Speaker 1: He'll try and celebrate Luke's life the best he can
Speaker 1: as as a coach. He'll go out here and as
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett say, who will have the best day he
Speaker 1: can have practicing And that's all you can do. You
Speaker 1: celebrate the young man's life. You move on. Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: is doing his best right now to be out there
Speaker 1: and to coach his team, and you know he knows
Speaker 1: he has a job. But again, you saw the human
Speaker 1: side of Jason Garrett today. It's a very difficult situation
Speaker 1: to deal with. But coaches tend to have this mechanism
Speaker 1: in them. It's in bread that they're able to take
Speaker 1: things that happened to them, put them aside for a
Speaker 1: little bit, focus on their job, and then come back
Speaker 1: to him when need be. Here's a go ahead, and
Speaker 1: I was going to say, if we can get a
Speaker 1: shot at the field, they normally get going right, and
Speaker 1: he's called the team up and probably trying to explain
Speaker 1: to everybody what went on. What's going on? Babe just
Speaker 1: tweeted it out at about ten twenty this morning. The
Speaker 1: press confidence was supposed to start at ten thirty five,
Speaker 1: and it probably didn't start till ten forty five or
Speaker 1: fifty for that matter, and for good reason, as Jason
Speaker 1: tried his best to compose himself. But Brian's right, a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't see that side of Jason all
Speaker 1: the time. We see it, yeah, but other folks don't. Right,
Speaker 1: he's not as automated as everybody thinks he is. And again,
Speaker 1: he's very close to Babe and Babe's family. This is
Speaker 1: a partial quote from what Jason said this morning. Again,
Speaker 1: the only question that he took in the press conference
Speaker 1: today said quote, Luke was an amazing young man. You
Speaker 1: guys have heard me talk about fight a lot. I
Speaker 1: don't know that I've ever seen a better example of
Speaker 1: that in my life. What he's gone through in the
Speaker 1: last couple of years, The spirit that he had every
Speaker 1: day to battle through it to always be thoughtful of
Speaker 1: the people in his life. So again, a tragic, you
Speaker 1: know situation, young man that really that really fought through
Speaker 1: something awful. Yeah, that has you know, affected so many people.
Speaker 1: Cancer is difficult to deal with. Any illness is difficult
Speaker 1: to deal with, but especially with kids especially you know,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about two dads right, yeah, and soon to
Speaker 1: be a dad down there at the end. And the
Speaker 1: the thing about it is, you know, you we go
Speaker 1: through this life and we you know, we do the
Speaker 1: best we can, and it's just unfortunate that sometimes there's
Speaker 1: there's illnesses and things that happen to us and you
Speaker 1: wonder why they happen to us. But again, you you
Speaker 1: find ways to to be stronger forward and to live
Speaker 1: on and Babe laughlinburg again former, you know, former professional player. Former.
Speaker 1: You know, he understands, he's his life has been a
Speaker 1: lot of ups and downs, and you know it's difficult.
Speaker 1: Yes it's his son, but he will choose to find
Speaker 1: a way to live in a way to honor his
Speaker 1: son's life, you know, And that's what you got to do.
Speaker 1: Keep going forward, honor the ones we lost, move on
Speaker 1: and because that, you know, Luke would want him to
Speaker 1: do that. Luke would want Jason Garrett to go have
Speaker 1: a great practice today and have the Stallas Cowboys team
Speaker 1: be a team that is the best that they can be.
Speaker 1: Well said, Well said both guys. Um Okay, practice getting
Speaker 1: set here to get going in a moment terrely the
Speaker 1: team's out on the field, they're in they're in shells.
Speaker 1: Today looks like not a padded practice. So trying to
Speaker 1: kind of ease back a little bit with the game
Speaker 1: here in a couple of days. Well, it's a typical
Speaker 1: Friday practice is what's going on here for a Sunday game.
Speaker 1: So you just move up the schedule to Thursday. Uh,
Speaker 1: And he's got to do his best to get him
Speaker 1: off their feet a little bit. I'm sure it'll be
Speaker 1: a shorter practice, uh, and then just get ready to
Speaker 1: play a game on Saturday, six o'clock against the Houston Texans.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure there'll be a few vets here. I
Speaker 1: can see Whitton doesn't have a helmet on. UH, so
Speaker 1: they'll get some of these guys to get a day
Speaker 1: or Tyrn Smith's you know, no helmet U. Zach Martin
Speaker 1: obviously hasn't been practicing and I don't expect to see
Speaker 1: him until the first week of the regular seasons. UH.
Speaker 1: There's a couple other guys without helmets on. I think
Speaker 1: it's UH to coup and Mike Jackson. I believe that
Speaker 1: Mike Jackson's been one. And that's unfortunate for Mike Jackson
Speaker 1: because we've talked about this before. These cornerbacks, even the
Speaker 1: starting cornerbacks through with what we've seen with Donovan Olumba,
Speaker 1: have come out here and played. There's been there's gonna
Speaker 1: be some difficult decisions about what they're going to do
Speaker 1: at this cornerback spot. And Mike Jackson is in that
Speaker 1: mode right now where not practicing, probably not going to
Speaker 1: be able to play at least this week. UH. That
Speaker 1: that sets him back because these coaches. Now it's you
Speaker 1: know that we've had several weeks of practices, we've had
Speaker 1: a couple of games. It's now about trying to find
Speaker 1: these fifty three players. And if you're we've said before,
Speaker 1: if you're not practicing, you're not on the train, and
Speaker 1: if you're not on the train, you're not going to
Speaker 1: the next stop. You're stuck in where you're at. And
Speaker 1: so I feel bad for a guy like Mike Jackson,
Speaker 1: who you know, had had moments in training camp where
Speaker 1: he actually looked pretty good and and now he's going
Speaker 1: to be behind the apall a little bit trying to
Speaker 1: catch up. Yeah, I see, uh Dalton shows still no helmet. Um.
Speaker 1: I was looking for Blake Jarwin. I can't tell if
Speaker 1: he's getting back into practice because they were getting really
Speaker 1: low on tight ends and Cody Mcroys, yeah wearing a
Speaker 1: ball cap as well. He is too, And if Witton's
Speaker 1: not practicing, they might have to go, wow, you're tight
Speaker 1: end off Lucas though. Yeah, yeah, you know what they
Speaker 1: did yesterday did was kind of neat, was they They
Speaker 1: took uh Jay's Jama's old wally and put him as
Speaker 1: a tight end guy. So you might see more fullback
Speaker 1: today in the practice, you might even see more wide receiver.
Speaker 1: We need to figure out some of these wide receivers,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's good. And if if the game
Speaker 1: planned today, that if the practice, if the attitude of
Speaker 1: the practices, Okay, we don't have this position group, well,
Speaker 1: let's lean on this position group today, and so keep
Speaker 1: an eye on fullbacks and keep an eye on wide
Speaker 1: receivers today having to make some play. That's a good
Speaker 1: point because it gives you a little bit more of
Speaker 1: a broader evaluation of these guys. Absolutely, wide receiver. We've
Speaker 1: talked about it quite a bit, but we still don't
Speaker 1: know exactly how the bottom end of that receiver depth
Speaker 1: chart's gonna shake out here after a couple more preseason games.
Speaker 1: You know. I think it was good listening to san
Speaker 1: Jay Lyle talk about it the other day, and he
Speaker 1: didn't he made no bones about it. He was, you know,
Speaker 1: disappointed in his young receivers that he was very high on, right,
Speaker 1: But as you can see, coaches, you know, they can't
Speaker 1: be biased. Now. He before, you know, we were in
Speaker 1: OTAs in mini camps. He was singing the praises of
Speaker 1: the speed of these young receivers, Reggie Davis, Johnson, Jalen
Speaker 1: gud and all of us were, and then their play
Speaker 1: kind of fell off once they got into the preseason games,
Speaker 1: once they got to the Blue white scrimmage, and he said, yeah,
Speaker 1: he goes if you know they're gonna need to pick
Speaker 1: it up. You know that's not acceptable, dropping passes and
Speaker 1: missed assignments and bad alignments. And then suddenly, with all
Speaker 1: that happening, the guy that really nobody was talking about,
Speaker 1: Devin Smith, all of a sudden he arose. And now
Speaker 1: if you're looking listen to and Cedric Wilson, if you're
Speaker 1: looking at the two guys, if we're gonna count Tavon
Speaker 1: Austin in the top four, uh, those are the two guys.
Speaker 1: If they go six to me right now, that's who
Speaker 1: would make this team. Yeah, Mickey, and so, uh, it
Speaker 1: just goes to show you this whole thing is a
Speaker 1: long process. But you have to be very objective when
Speaker 1: you cut down your roster. You can't have pet cats
Speaker 1: and say, well he did well before, he's just having
Speaker 1: a little dry spell. No, you can't have dry spells
Speaker 1: when you're an undrafted free agent. Yeah, no, bad days, right,
Speaker 1: no bad days here. I think Mickey made a great
Speaker 1: point yesterday and I was listening to our show. I
Speaker 1: always go back and list our shows out walking the
Speaker 1: store because I don't remember what I said, but she
Speaker 1: made it. Made a really good point about the pup
Speaker 1: situation with Noah Brown and if and I don't think
Speaker 1: if there was a push that there would we would
Speaker 1: see we would If there wasn't a push from these
Speaker 1: young kids, I don't think we would. I think we'd
Speaker 1: have to see Noah Brown start to practice. They have
Speaker 1: to get him ready. But the fact that you know
Speaker 1: they have some options there, absolutely they could kind of
Speaker 1: take their time with Noah Brown and they don't have
Speaker 1: to push him. I think that where what I really
Speaker 1: appreciated about what Sanjay Lyles said yesterday. And this goes
Speaker 1: back to the old personnel man guy and me. When
Speaker 1: I used to sit in those meetings with coaches, I
Speaker 1: always felt like the coaches, you know, they would they
Speaker 1: would like they would cheerlead for guys and then and
Speaker 1: I was like, but this guy's not playing well. Why
Speaker 1: are we keeping this guy in their officer? But to me, Rob,
Speaker 1: excuse me, the evaluation The biggest issue with teams in
Speaker 1: the National Football League is misevaluating their own team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it sounds like to me these coaches aren't misevaluating their
Speaker 1: own team, like Mickey said, Sanjay Lyles said, Hey, I
Speaker 1: was very high on two young kids. Want to see
Speaker 1: him go up, but they really haven't shown me that.
Speaker 1: So I've got to get these other guys ready. That's
Speaker 1: the sign of a staff that's not gonna misevaluate their team.
Speaker 1: And I think you guys did a better shot than
Speaker 1: I did in Oxen are evaluating or at least talking
Speaker 1: to you mentioned pet cats like john By Johnson's talent level.
Speaker 1: To me, I think he's got a lot of potential.
Speaker 1: And I kept saying that in Oxnard, and you guys
Speaker 1: kept pointing out to me, well, number sixteen is playing better,
Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson has been more consistent. We've seen Devin Smithy
Speaker 1: more consistent. And that's Brian. That's kind of the challenge
Speaker 1: for the staff, for the scouts when you're cutting down
Speaker 1: this fifty three man roster, how much do you look
Speaker 1: at potential like this guy's not playing well right now, yeah,
Speaker 1: versus maybe a guy And I'm not saying those guys
Speaker 1: have less potential, right, but they're playing better. So how
Speaker 1: much I mean, do you have to head your bets
Speaker 1: at some point and say, well, we're boping this guy
Speaker 1: eventually corrects things. Yeah, well, or is it too late
Speaker 1: because we just haven't seen it. Devin Smith will remind
Speaker 1: everybody that one time he was a second round pick.
Speaker 1: You know, john By, Johnson and Guidon weren't drafted this
Speaker 1: in this draft. Good point. So all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: now you're you start to say, oh, I see what
Speaker 1: the Jets saw in Devin Smith. The knee injuries was
Speaker 1: robbed him of any chance early in his career sacl twice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, now you're saying, ah, I
Speaker 1: get it. It's like he caught a break, Like the Jets.
Speaker 1: I go back and Mickey covered this guy a long time.
Speaker 1: Jimmy Smith, Jimmy Smith had so much talent here and
Speaker 1: then Jimmy Smith got injured, got caught up in some things.
Speaker 1: Front office is saying no, and end up Jimmy Smith
Speaker 1: went up being a wide receiver with the Jacksonville Jaguars
Speaker 1: and had a hell of a career with the Jaguars.
Speaker 1: But all of a sudden, it's like you had to
Speaker 1: you had to deliver the baby, but you didn't get
Speaker 1: to see the baby grow up. You know that That's
Speaker 1: the thing about it there, And you know, if that's
Speaker 1: I'm sorry if it's a bad analogy, but that's really
Speaker 1: what it is. The Cowboys did the leg work on
Speaker 1: Jimmy said, The Jets did the leg work on Devin Smith.
Speaker 1: He he just now healthy, no where the Cowboys maybe
Speaker 1: could benefit. It was a it was a hell of
Speaker 1: a second round picked by the Cowboys out of Jackson State,
Speaker 1: by the way, right, And he got here and and
Speaker 1: he broke his leg, missed his rookie year appendicite. Then
Speaker 1: the next year, near the end of training camp, he
Speaker 1: ended up with appendicitis. They thought he had something else,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden it wasn't just a pendicitis,
Speaker 1: but as appendix ruptured UH and he was in the
Speaker 1: hospital for seven weeks trying to drain UH. The basically
Speaker 1: the the infection caused by the pendix rupturing. And so
Speaker 1: he missed that season, as I remember, And then they
Speaker 1: tried to reduce his base salary. And this was at
Speaker 1: a point where Jerry wasn't making five billion dollars franchise
Speaker 1: and so from from they were getting close to the
Speaker 1: start of the salary cap and it was like, okay,
Speaker 1: we got to cut somewhere, and it's like we want,
Speaker 1: we're gonna release you, but we're gonna resign you. Well,
Speaker 1: old John Wooton, who was working for the Cowboys when
Speaker 1: they drafted Jimmy Smith, was in Philadelphia and he ended
Speaker 1: up in their pro personnel department and he was like,
Speaker 1: you know, if nothing else, this guy can return kickoffs
Speaker 1: for us. And so Philadelphia signed him and then they'd
Speaker 1: let him become a free agent and that's when Jackson
Speaker 1: got grabbed him. And after that, you know, here it goes.
Speaker 1: So with Devin Smith. You know, it was funny when
Speaker 1: I talked to him yesterday. I said, you sort of
Speaker 1: reminded everybody who you are and kind of got your
Speaker 1: hand up in the air. He goes, well, you know
Speaker 1: what I had to do that because I haven't played
Speaker 1: in a while, and I you know, my job here
Speaker 1: was not only to play well, but to remind him
Speaker 1: of what the player I once was. And he said,
Speaker 1: I'm finally feeling I've got confidence in my body and
Speaker 1: in my legs to be able to go and go
Speaker 1: back out and play at that level. And I think
Speaker 1: one thing we've seen will McClay do so well with
Speaker 1: this front office pro personnel is fine guys that have
Speaker 1: had been high draft somewhere else and for whatever reason
Speaker 1: didn't work out, and then you bring them in and
Speaker 1: you see and it's and it's worked out in Camphor
Speaker 1: Devin Smith. We'll see if it continues. Let's take our
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Speaker 1: to the Ford Center Ford Center at the Star in Frisco.
Speaker 1: Cowboys with another open training camp practice here at the Star.
Speaker 1: Things just getting going down here on the practice field,
Speaker 1: and I've got my buddy's Mickey Spagnola. Brian brought us here.
Speaker 1: Bill Jones might be joining us here a little bit.
Speaker 1: He's gotten some TV stuff to take care of there
Speaker 1: he is at a boy Bill. Okay, Brian, you've got
Speaker 1: a scout's eye coming up here shortly, might be up
Speaker 1: already on I haven't checked yesterday. What stood out to
Speaker 1: you from yesterday's practice? A lot of two minute work?
Speaker 1: What do you like about that? What I didn't like about?
Speaker 1: What a nice drive to get the ball down there
Speaker 1: to the six yard line, and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: they're gonna try and fit it into Jason Witnight. It
Speaker 1: gives a good plack. Yeah, dak Is gonna try and
Speaker 1: fit it in there Joe Thomas. Yeah, we've seen Joe
Speaker 1: Thomas make plays. How about these linebackers, Mickey, these guys
Speaker 1: it's interceptions that get their hands on the ball. That's
Speaker 1: a that's a good sign for this linebacker group. But
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott once again kind of smartly moving the team
Speaker 1: down the field all of a sudden, he's gonna try
Speaker 1: and fit into Witting on that end cut there and
Speaker 1: witness having to fight Joe Thomas, and I thought that
Speaker 1: was really cool in itself. Joe did a nice shot,
Speaker 1: but man, he had he had Randalled Cobb running underneath,
Speaker 1: and he just he let it fly. He made the
Speaker 1: decision to go to Witton before he saw a Cobb
Speaker 1: on the break. You know, somebody gooks back on the film,
Speaker 1: he's gonna go. Ah, Man, I had a sure six
Speaker 1: right there. But I like what I'd like what I've
Speaker 1: seen with Dak Prescott moving this team, whether it's been
Speaker 1: drives to start these preseason games or what we saw
Speaker 1: on that too many and Mick it was the situation
Speaker 1: was a minute two left offense down by three at
Speaker 1: a Fario golden pocket. Yeah maybe so my question maybe, Yeah,
Speaker 1: does Dak make that throw at the game in a
Speaker 1: game situation, you would hope not. Uh, because it's second
Speaker 1: in five. What'd you tell him after practice? It was
Speaker 1: second and five at the seven yea and he had
Speaker 1: ten seconds, so one more play and then you can
Speaker 1: kicked the field goal. Bye it because it should be
Speaker 1: in your back pocket. So we were chatting with him.
Speaker 1: He didn't do his interview, but he was chatting about
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of stuff at his locker with all
Speaker 1: of us, and Uh, I don't know how it came up,
Speaker 1: but he said, yeah, I probably should have thrown that
Speaker 1: and hit the crossbar, and I looked at him. I said, no,
Speaker 1: you should have thrown it into the second row seats. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And then I said, oh, I hope I know him
Speaker 1: well enough to joke. Yeah, if you earned the right,
Speaker 1: then I earned the right to joke with that Prescott.
Speaker 1: You've been on you've you've been around him enough to
Speaker 1: And I think I got away with it because he
Speaker 1: smiled and he kind of nodded his head and he knew.
Speaker 1: But you know, when you see it like that and
Speaker 1: you react, you know, you said, Okay, let me try
Speaker 1: and see if I I mean why not. That's what
Speaker 1: this is. I've all along. I'm like going the ball
Speaker 1: to Jason Witten in the red zone or for a
Speaker 1: first down on third to try and get a first
Speaker 1: down on third down, to me, is never a bad option.
Speaker 1: He's I think's won games doing that. Hey, let me
Speaker 1: tell you what these defensive guys have made. There's times
Speaker 1: of people, well, how's Dak looked? Oh well, Dak's done this,
Speaker 1: done that. There's been times where Dak has looked bad,
Speaker 1: not because of Dak Prescott, because of how good the
Speaker 1: defense is playing. I think that, to me is what's encouraging.
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett talked about that early in camp. Good days
Speaker 1: for offense, good days for defense, back and forth, back
Speaker 1: and forth. That's what you want. You don't want one
Speaker 1: team just coolly just dominating one side the ball dominating
Speaker 1: the other because you don't feel good about your team.
Speaker 1: I think Joe Thomas has had a really, really nice camp.
Speaker 1: He was one of our top fifteen guys when it
Speaker 1: was all said and done at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: Another guy who stood out on defense for me yesterday
Speaker 1: and I wrote about him, was Brian You mentioned Donovan
Speaker 1: a Lumba two pass breakups and one on one drills
Speaker 1: and those are not easy, especially when it's down inside
Speaker 1: the ten yard line, right one against Michael Gallop. And
Speaker 1: he ended practice in second team work in that situational
Speaker 1: deal with a pass breakup on fourth down against Cooper Rush.
Speaker 1: He has been he was all over the field. Did
Speaker 1: he get it? Oh? No, he got a pod. But
Speaker 1: Mickey Mickey from his press box seat would have challenged it.
Speaker 1: Mickey would have said, if Mickey it was one of
Speaker 1: those things where Mickey's team needed to complete the fourth downpad,
Speaker 1: Mickey would have challenged that. I thought it was a
Speaker 1: good Alumba he did. He kind of jammed with the right,
Speaker 1: but he grabbed Donald Lumba has got these white gloves
Speaker 1: and he's figured out that the offense is wearing white jerseys.
Speaker 1: So he's got these big white gloves that he wears
Speaker 1: and he's able to kind of grab him, pull and
Speaker 1: kind of go around guys. And that's what he did. Yes,
Speaker 1: even But see, Donovan Alumba is smart, and Mickey talked
Speaker 1: about this. Donovan Olumba knows he's not fast, he knows
Speaker 1: he's deficient in a lot of areas. But what Donovan
Speaker 1: Olumba does is he puts himself in position to make
Speaker 1: plays and that the officials are not gonna throw flags
Speaker 1: on him. They got him the other day. But if
Speaker 1: they're not gonna throw flags on him out here on
Speaker 1: fourth down, why not grab whole pull, get around, playoff handball.
Speaker 1: I would have challenged several more calls in the game
Speaker 1: on Saturday too, By the way, I was in the
Speaker 1: box and I'm supposed to be the stat guy right
Speaker 1: and spotter, and Night was going like this, I'm throwing
Speaker 1: my red flag and they only threw it once. I
Speaker 1: would have thrown it about three times. Micky can ask
Speaker 1: you a question of periscope here. They want fans want
Speaker 1: to rob too. They want to know if the if
Speaker 1: the uh, the Jalen Smith's signing will have any impact
Speaker 1: on the other ones maybe signing. I was going to
Speaker 1: throw that out to you Saturday. No, we just didn't
Speaker 1: get to it. Um. Yeah, that's a good question. Could
Speaker 1: that spur allspie now if they trying to get in
Speaker 1: the door sooner. If there's less pie, it's very very
Speaker 1: less pie. The piece I would eat like a little
Speaker 1: sliver that Brian would take on his diet, just very well,
Speaker 1: just to have a taste. So look here, here's the
Speaker 1: effect on the cap this year. Uh, what they did
Speaker 1: with that entire contract is basically he's under contract for
Speaker 1: this year. Next year he would have been under on
Speaker 1: track as a first round tender as a restricted free agent.
Speaker 1: So they basically gave him what the projected amount of
Speaker 1: that for his base salary, so it's right around five
Speaker 1: million dollars. His base salary for this year is lowered,
Speaker 1: but they put five million dollars signing Botus into it,
Speaker 1: so he's gonna make over six million dollars with big Kick,
Speaker 1: so it'll go up some next year, and then when
Speaker 1: the extension hit, that's when his base salary goes up.
Speaker 1: So essentially, to make this very simple for you guys,
Speaker 1: it comes down to a seven year, sixty nine million
Speaker 1: dollar contract. So if I divide seven in the sixty nine,
Speaker 1: I'm right at ten million a year, just a little
Speaker 1: bit less. A very good club friendly contract. But Jalen
Speaker 1: gets his money before he was gonna have to get it,
Speaker 1: So he's got five million dollars in his pocket right now,
Speaker 1: two years before they would have given it to him.
Speaker 1: The other thing is because of how they structured his
Speaker 1: first year. Actually, his cap value for this year only
Speaker 1: goes up five hundred thousand dollars, so that doesn't affect
Speaker 1: anything that they do with the other guys for this
Speaker 1: year and really for next year two. Then it's the
Speaker 1: following year that the base salary goes up, probably doubles,
Speaker 1: and then it starts getting high. But then again, the
Speaker 1: cap should go up, right, It's never gone down, it's
Speaker 1: always gone up, so it really shouldn't affect it all
Speaker 1: that much. And I'm looking up Jalen's age right now.
Speaker 1: I think it's twenty twenty four years. I was gonna
Speaker 1: say twenty four years, so you know he signed I
Speaker 1: think through twenty twenty five. Yes, that correct, right, so
Speaker 1: he'll still be a young guy. He'll be about thirty
Speaker 1: years old with an opportunity to cash in one more
Speaker 1: time in his career. So I'm sure that's a factor too.
Speaker 1: You know, you hit free agency a little earlier than
Speaker 1: you might have been if you'd waited it out, so
Speaker 1: and try to bet on yourself for another year. And
Speaker 1: the other thing they did in the contract they put
Speaker 1: a couple of years of guaranteed roster bonus in there,
Speaker 1: and then there's roster bonuses over the next couple of years.
Speaker 1: So actually, if they wanted to get out of the
Speaker 1: contract after three years, it would be a three year,
Speaker 1: thirty five million dollars deal and they would have six
Speaker 1: point eight million in dead money. So the way they
Speaker 1: structured it, as Jerry was trying to point out through
Speaker 1: that whole deal, was this was very team friendly. Team
Speaker 1: was the precedence. Yea, all right, let's let's that's Michael Gallup, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup, Cooper Rush showing the ball ruin, and there's
Speaker 1: Devin Smith for you right there. And you know the
Speaker 1: other guy that's out here catching passes as Taran Taran
Speaker 1: Christian too, So they've had him lined up all over
Speaker 1: the place fullback, uh, little tight end. You know what,
Speaker 1: I think this kid's gonna make this team on the
Speaker 1: practice squad because not only can he play quarterback for you,
Speaker 1: he can also fill in at other positions. He's pretty good.
Speaker 1: He's Jamal shot ye get ready. During camp, he's gonna
Speaker 1: learn how to play safety too. For practice squad. Stuff's
Speaker 1: gonna he's gonna do everything that showers to who ran
Speaker 1: out of practice squad eligible a run for that kid,
Speaker 1: he's done that for three four years, where just whatever
Speaker 1: you need to give the team a look during right, Um,
Speaker 1: he got Christian got some quarterback reps yesterday, but it
Speaker 1: was two days the first time a long time. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but yesterday it was kind of back to Jack Jack
Speaker 1: of all true before he was getting like one snap
Speaker 1: and that was it. Right. Yeah, but they like him,
Speaker 1: They like him as an athlete, yep, they sure do.
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Speaker 1: inside Sports Center at the Star in Frisco Cowboys just
Speaker 1: getting warmed up here at practice today, a lighter practice.
Speaker 1: They're in shells, no pads, and Brian it looks like
Speaker 1: they're doing some minimal prep as they always do for
Speaker 1: these preseason games. Yeah, they are. Rob They're down in
Speaker 1: the red zone area. As we could see camera angle
Speaker 1: down there with them, and as you can see either
Speaker 1: had the coach holding the cards that's say actually defensive
Speaker 1: front or the second it's to seven on seven. So
Speaker 1: they're showing the Texans secondary and how they would play
Speaker 1: down here. So the twos are getting a little look
Speaker 1: about that and kind of going through their pay getting
Speaker 1: some look just Jason Garrett always talks about this, give
Speaker 1: these kids a chance to go play, but trying to
Speaker 1: equip them with a little knowledge along the way. And
Speaker 1: then they're also keeping the big guys off their feet.
Speaker 1: They're the defensive linemen are over to our right, the
Speaker 1: offensive lineman to our left, across the field doing just
Speaker 1: little individual drills. But he's probably trying to keep those
Speaker 1: guys off their feet as long as he can. Got
Speaker 1: a Twitter question from Jake A couple questions. Number one,
Speaker 1: who do you all believe has the edge currently? On
Speaker 1: the defensive end depth chart between Joe Jackson and Jalen Jelks. Also,
Speaker 1: Connor McGovern finally got into pads this week. Is that
Speaker 1: correct or No, Well, he got into pads. He's always
Speaker 1: worn pads. He just doesn't get to play in the pads.
Speaker 1: He goes out on one hundred degree field and runs
Speaker 1: and sweats and does all that. He's got to get stronger.
Speaker 1: But no, he didn't. He wears pads, he just doesn't
Speaker 1: get to play it ready to practice. He's not ready
Speaker 1: to practice yet. So I'll take care of that. I
Speaker 1: think that if they had to pick one, I think
Speaker 1: they would take Jackson over jokes. I just feel like
Speaker 1: that that jokes to me, Carrie Hiders the one that's
Speaker 1: put himself into this mix, right, So if it's if
Speaker 1: it's jokes or a Hider, to me, that they would
Speaker 1: take Hider, you know. I feel like that they with
Speaker 1: some of the things that they've had happened at defensive end,
Speaker 1: they have to protect themselves. Hiders a veteran guy. He
Speaker 1: knows how to play, he knows how to get to
Speaker 1: the quarterback. He could also play as the undertackle if
Speaker 1: you need him in some stuff and they're starting to
Speaker 1: do that too, with a little with Joe Jackson. I
Speaker 1: don't think you could do that with jokes. I think
Speaker 1: they're gonna try and get jokes to the practice squad myself.
Speaker 1: And they've kind of flipped it now. They're running big offense,
Speaker 1: the defense. Calvalero, the Coachsons looks there. You go, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're gonna see. This is what the Texans gonna do.
Speaker 1: Texans play with multiple tight ends. I watched them a
Speaker 1: little bit last week. They played multiple tight ends. But
Speaker 1: they've got these really, They've got some good receivers. Nice.
Speaker 1: They run through a lot of backs too, is another
Speaker 1: thing that they like to do. So. By the way, Uh,
Speaker 1: Jeff Heath back out on the field. He had had
Speaker 1: a stinger. Uh worked minimally yesterday second team. He's back
Speaker 1: out there with the first team defense. You got a
Speaker 1: little more clarity speaking of injuries on Amari Cooper's Yes,
Speaker 1: I've got I've got a name for what he's suffering
Speaker 1: in that what did they call it initially to heal
Speaker 1: irritation or something like that. Did you have to hyphenate it?
Speaker 1: It's called an intrinsic muscle strain. There you go, and
Speaker 1: what the muscle is. It's a muscle on the outside
Speaker 1: of your foot, very small, thin muscle, and it controls
Speaker 1: the inflection of your little toe. Wow, So who would
Speaker 1: think that the season is hanging on a little bit
Speaker 1: a little toe? Yeah, and what do you do? You
Speaker 1: don't need to inflex it or whatever. The I know
Speaker 1: if you try, if you ever tried not using the
Speaker 1: outside of your foot to do anything, it's it's pretty difficult. Uh.
Speaker 1: So they're pretty confident. He's pretty confident that he will
Speaker 1: be ready to go for the season opening. Speaking of
Speaker 1: ready to go, I noticed that Chris Covington is back
Speaker 1: out there too, working with good eye. Uh March uh,
Speaker 1: justin March. Shan Lee, Yeah, and Sean Lee out there. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's good to see Sean Lee, Jalen Smith and Day.
Speaker 1: It looks like they gave the man, the money man,
Speaker 1: get the day off here. Maybe he's out there earlier though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's out there at the thirty yard line. He's just
Speaker 1: taking him out of the team stuff. Yeah, give him
Speaker 1: an easy day. Sean Lee, by the way, has jumped
Speaker 1: right back in. I think we mentioned that yesterday Hanna
Speaker 1: would be sack on Dak yesterday and I think that
Speaker 1: was daring Blitz period Um. He looks good, No, no issue.
Speaker 1: This linebacker crew is a good looking crew. When you
Speaker 1: stand there next to him, like it practiced when we
Speaker 1: were an ox start, I'm going, my gosh. You know
Speaker 1: vander ash Smith, Thomas Covington, you know those guys, they
Speaker 1: all look like they got off the bus together, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean it is a good looking group physically at
Speaker 1: that position. Now you forget how big Vanderish is down
Speaker 1: next to him. Yeah, that's a big man. It's a
Speaker 1: really big man playing linebacker. Well, remember how physical Sean
Speaker 1: Lee looked. Used to look at it. Sean Lee's bulked up.
Speaker 1: He's small compared to those other two linebackers he plays
Speaker 1: next to. He really has. Yeah, I'm supposed to visit
Speaker 1: with Justin Phillips Vanderish right there, My gosh, Sean Lee
Speaker 1: getting a good man. You're you're like a safety. You're
Speaker 1: seeing what Cavon Frasier's looking at right now? Oh, here
Speaker 1: we go. There's there's a lumba again, number thirty two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to visit with Justin Phillips. Ever, Franks, I
Speaker 1: want to ask him what it's like being in that
Speaker 1: room because it's got to be maybe a little intimidating
Speaker 1: giving the amount of talent experience a kid make. He
Speaker 1: makes play. He's not a step right in and played well.
Speaker 1: They have to appreciate how well he's come out here
Speaker 1: and played. You know, you see, you know, it was
Speaker 1: ninety something degrees on that field in Hawaii there day
Speaker 1: and he's running around like it's you know, week thirteen
Speaker 1: in the National Football League. I mean he's running around
Speaker 1: making plays. That's a bottom of mine. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny. See Mike White, he held the
Speaker 1: ball again, and it's scout team. There's Phillips right there.
Speaker 1: It's Scout team. You can't come on, Mike, throw the
Speaker 1: ball to move the ball on and I don't know
Speaker 1: that Jalen guy needs to be celebrating. So that's team
Speaker 1: Scotch mode today and we are hopscotching the coach. Were
Speaker 1: sorry about that, but we're going what's on the video,
Speaker 1: coach exact, paying attention, paying attention the videos. One more question.
Speaker 1: Stan checks in on Twitter asking about Donovan Wilson. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what you've seen from him the last week or so,
Speaker 1: maybe at safety you got anything on that room. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I think you know obviously he stepped up.
Speaker 1: You saw him with the interception in the one preseason
Speaker 1: game and uh suffered a little hand brewis yesterday. I
Speaker 1: think it was his thumb. Yeah, but trainers said, okay,
Speaker 1: right right, yeah, you got that report, So okay, So
Speaker 1: he's uh, he's back out here today. He's got a
Speaker 1: little black glove on. But you're watching Crawford, uh and
Speaker 1: Lawrence that's too drill. That's tools right there. I which
Speaker 1: we can we go back to that. I don't know
Speaker 1: if we could produce on the flyer. I guess we're
Speaker 1: gonna get some inside action here more from Mike White
Speaker 1: and then throwing the football. But if you saw what
Speaker 1: he was doing right there, that's what every young player
Speaker 1: needs to watch. That's what That's what Tristan Hill. Nice
Speaker 1: job right there by Wilson again, Cedric Wilson. He's a
Speaker 1: good looking kid. We're finally gonna get a little team.
Speaker 1: Actually look at that man. Yea. Even even Jalen Smith
Speaker 1: went over and said, hey, nice job there, man. That
Speaker 1: kid he's he's feeling it. He's feeling it. That's what
Speaker 1: you gotta have he's playing with a lot of confidence
Speaker 1: right now. That kid made a lot of plays at Boise.
Speaker 1: You think it helped him to just be around the
Speaker 1: team last year, even though he was hurt. I mean,
Speaker 1: just to kind of be around the system a little bit.
Speaker 1: But he didn't show up until like the like the
Speaker 1: second week of practice or the you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe it took him. Mickey always likes to say, hey,
Speaker 1: these guys haven't played in a while, maybe it takes
Speaker 1: him time to get going. I need to buy into
Speaker 1: that theory a little bit. I think that's what happened
Speaker 1: with Devin Smith. Yeah, you know, he hadn't played in
Speaker 1: over a year and a half. Yeah, and you know
Speaker 1: he's out here and it's like okay, and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden he's feeling it. But we're still on
Speaker 1: card practices. So yeah, the scout team defense is out
Speaker 1: there against the first team offense. Here we go. So again,
Speaker 1: it's one of you don't read too much into that
Speaker 1: when they're running cards, hey and prepping. Can I ask
Speaker 1: a question all along, I've kind of thought if they
Speaker 1: had to play the Giants tomorrow, that Alfred Morris would
Speaker 1: be the sign, would be the starter should I go
Speaker 1: away from that? Right now? This was a mail back
Speaker 1: question like what what does Zeke? How does Zeke impact?
Speaker 1: If I'm sorry, yeah, if Zeke's not playing, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: about Well. If he's not playing, is he that's your question?
Speaker 1: Is is no? If he's not playing, no, I'm saying, Oh,
Speaker 1: he doesn't count against the fifty three? But is Pollard
Speaker 1: gonna be the starter against the Giants? I thought it
Speaker 1: was gonna be Alfred Morris? Am I wrong about that?
Speaker 1: They haven't seen any sight of that what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of I'm kind of feel like I'm being wrong.
Speaker 1: Not only do I think it's Pollard because he started
Speaker 1: the first two preseason games. If Zeke's not he played nine,
Speaker 1: the first nine taken him out, just like they have
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, right and the guys that you know, we're
Speaker 1: going to be a big part of this thing. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I would think so too. Um, of course we don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know you're hoping Zeke can get done
Speaker 1: before I think Morris, or he just shows up without
Speaker 1: a new deal. What Morris gets a series here or
Speaker 1: a series there? Uh? As long as Pollard uh is
Speaker 1: sharp on picking up his blitz pickups. There you go.
Speaker 1: You think Morris is the third running back on this
Speaker 1: team with Zeke Nicky said all along, Chun, I think
Speaker 1: Mickey's onto something. That was another male back question. I think,
Speaker 1: I said, I said, you know, I think a better
Speaker 1: Rod Smith. He plays well on special teams. He's a
Speaker 1: physical guy, he could catch, He's got toughness to him.
Speaker 1: I Mickey said it all along. He said, hey, well
Speaker 1: that wash Morris got here. Yeah. But but I so
Speaker 1: basically they only gave Morris a ninety thousand dollars sign.
Speaker 1: If it's if it's Elliott, I would feel good about
Speaker 1: this Elliott Pollard Chun. I wouldn't feel poorly about out
Speaker 1: that group because we saw yesterday and to check out scouts,
Speaker 1: I I wrote about OLDI Wally catching the ball down
Speaker 1: the sidelines. I mean, that's something he can do. If
Speaker 1: they have to play with a single back, Old Wally
Speaker 1: might get into that have to be special teams too
Speaker 1: as a factor with I mean because it is because
Speaker 1: you got you got two linebackers that don't play special teams.
Speaker 1: I mean, does Slate Vanderis really play special teams? Really? Three? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Sean leadon play special teams even though he's a starter.
Speaker 1: I don't want to send Jalen Smith Smith. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean you win. That's a good point. Yeah. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: and in the game against the Rams, Chun had two
Speaker 1: special teams tackles and he had another play and I
Speaker 1: don't remember which one it was. He went down there
Speaker 1: and he blew something up. He caused another guy to
Speaker 1: make a tackle. So he was active in coverage on
Speaker 1: special teams. And if you're gonna have three running backs active,
Speaker 1: at least one of them has to play special teams.
Speaker 1: And actually you would have two because Pollard can return
Speaker 1: for you if you want Number eighty Marcus Lucas running
Speaker 1: with the ones today he's the only tight end of
Speaker 1: the early tight end. What have you guys seen from him?
Speaker 1: That was another question on opportunities. I talked to him yesterday.
Speaker 1: I said you weren't out yet. He goes, oh, man,
Speaker 1: this was great. And I said, well, you can only
Speaker 1: ask for opportunities. He goes, that's what it's all about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And he was happy Camper, even if they looked at
Speaker 1: him as maybe the fifth tight end out there. Uh,
Speaker 1: he just feels like he's getting an opportunity to show
Speaker 1: people not only here, but maybe somewhere elsebody needs to
Speaker 1: be at the tight end up. You're absolutely right. The
Speaker 1: kid has been in a lot of places. You know,
Speaker 1: he's just trying to find a home right now. And
Speaker 1: you know, we we all believe that the tight end
Speaker 1: injury situation will take care of itself. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: think any of these injuries are considering. But I don't think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think the kid has done
Speaker 1: bad for himself. There's a lot of times you're very
Speaker 1: apprehensive about bringing somebody in off the street. I remember
Speaker 1: George Selby come in here, you know, off the street
Speaker 1: basically on a July thirtieth practice, and Allsen showing up
Speaker 1: and playing, having a nice career for the Cowboys. And
Speaker 1: now he's still here. Yeah, but as a volunteer coach
Speaker 1: or whatever they call him, as a personnel guy, you'd
Speaker 1: never want to bring a player that doesn't show well
Speaker 1: in camp. But you just remember, well, Marcus Lucas was
Speaker 1: the University of Missouri's second leading receiver on the team
Speaker 1: that went to the SEC Championship in in in Atlanta
Speaker 1: and lost to Auburn. Talked about the tight with a
Speaker 1: tight game into the fourth quarter before they didn't score
Speaker 1: enough points because I think a uh oh, gosh, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna forget Auburn's running back. Uh I think he's still
Speaker 1: running for yards. No, no, it was it was before that.
Speaker 1: It was a twenty thirteen season. Okay, the guys still
Speaker 1: gaining yards. I'm sorry, Mick. And a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: I prought it up to him and he goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: he goes, for some reason, we changed our defensive for May,
Speaker 1: and I go I know, I was yelling from the
Speaker 1: stands that that's not the formulation to be Mickey. On
Speaker 1: a game day on an airplane wherever we are traveling,
Speaker 1: we get and I was I was almost close enough
Speaker 1: time I'll catch I was gonna ask any thought about
Speaker 1: just carrying five wide receivers. I said that the other day.
Speaker 1: The possibility. I said that the other day, And you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to go along at one of these other
Speaker 1: positions that you know, if you don't feel great about
Speaker 1: the six wide receiver here, why not go long at
Speaker 1: another place. To your point, if Noah Brown starts the
Speaker 1: season on pup, you don't know if that necessarily means
Speaker 1: you gotta keep sig weather receivers. In addition, if you know,
Speaker 1: if you have said, you're right, I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean you could go. Defensive line is
Speaker 1: changed a lot in terms of depth from those George
Speaker 1: Selvy days and right, I want to keep an extra
Speaker 1: defensive lineman. We'll see what happens there. Practice is continuing on.
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