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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

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Speaker 2: As you well know, every Wednesday, we recap our old

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Speaker 2: podcast episodes with all new commentary, updates, and insight.

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Speaker 1: And today we're recapping episode sixty, which we named jazz

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Speaker 1: It Perfect Name find Out Why so Good.

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Speaker 2: This episode came out on March sixteenth, twenty seventeen, so

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Speaker 2: let's get into it.

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Speaker 1: The intro of episode sixty jazz It, Hi, Hi, Hi.

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Speaker 2: How's it going good? How are you all real? Good? Yourself? Good?

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Speaker 2: Thank you? Good? Good good? This is my favorite murder.

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Speaker 2: We're a podcast that talks about true crime stories and

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Speaker 2: and really breaks them down. Yep, and that's all we

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Speaker 2: talk about. That's not true. There is a lot of

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Speaker 2: lying on this podcast, and we don't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is pretty This is pretty exactly how it goes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you don't like it, go away, don't. Harry

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Speaker 2: gets real mad at you guys.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I feel like people kind of like at live shows,

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Speaker 1: they like when you yell at them, they'll purposely like

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Speaker 1: scream something.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean some of those live shows, it's like

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Speaker 2: those people have never been in a theater or been

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Speaker 2: to a live show before. It's just like drunk girls

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Speaker 2: who were repeat yelling the same thing over and over.

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Speaker 2: That's not how you act. Then you hear other people

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Speaker 2: shushing those people. Oh god, it's just intense. It's just

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Speaker 2: like it feels like there's a fight. It's going to

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Speaker 2: break out, and it might be with you. Oh that's

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Speaker 2: fine with me. I'm thoroughly trained. We love a bar fight. God,

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I do have some corrections. When you were

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Speaker 2: talking about Sam Shepherd and you told that story, I

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Speaker 2: began to confuse Sam Shepherd with doctor Jeffrey MacDonald who

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Speaker 2: also killed his whole family or is suspected of He's.

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Speaker 1: The one with the there was saying there's three crazy people.

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Speaker 2: They like to say these things. Yes, your guy, Sam

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Speaker 2: Shepherd was in the early sixties. My guy that I

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Speaker 2: was thinking you were talking about was in sixty nine

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Speaker 2: and so the whole time. That's why at one point

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Speaker 2: in that episode, I was like what year was it?

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Speaker 2: Because I was like, there could I in my mind,

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Speaker 2: there's no way there could be two doctors who killed

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Speaker 2: their whole families and were like like guilty or like

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Speaker 2: suspected it and also equally not and got away. Well,

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Speaker 2: this is sham sham Shepherd's the one sham sham. He's

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Speaker 2: a sham.

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Speaker 1: Sam Shepherd's one who got kind of famous afterwards. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and like, was it kind of a douche? Right? They

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Speaker 1: children who were sleeping in the bedroom next to where

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Speaker 1: they killed their wives.

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Speaker 2: I fit, well, I don't want to agree because I

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Speaker 2: killed their wives, all right, But doctor Jeffrey McDonald is

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Speaker 2: the one who Fatal Vision is about, and who is

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Speaker 2: also the one who the Errol Morris new novel that's

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Speaker 2: basically a refuting Fatal Vision is about. Wait, so we're

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Speaker 2: refuting saying that he did or didn't do it. Fatal

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Speaker 2: Vision was basically Joe McGuinness making friends with Jeffery McDonald

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Speaker 2: how it was just super mishandled and like it was

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Speaker 2: just they were trying to make money, helter skelter style,

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Speaker 2: and it was you know, the whole thing was kind

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Speaker 2: of unfairly presented. I guess, okay, but I have to

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Speaker 2: listen to the whole thing before. I sure do love

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Speaker 2: to talk about things I don't know which I feel

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Speaker 2: like you shouldn't listen. Let's hear it now. It's just theories.

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Speaker 2: Much like when I talked about Scooba diving and I

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Speaker 2: said that you have to have a partner because there's

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Speaker 2: no way you can check your things. Yeah, well, of course,

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Speaker 2: then everyone on Twitter's like, yes, you can check your things.

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Speaker 1: It's not like someone's going to be like under the

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Speaker 1: water what I did, though, Karen said that you didn't

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Speaker 1: need to correct that, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: I mean, here's the thing though, it's those little lies. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's the same one as I said that my dad

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Speaker 2: but just as I talk, it's just all like blah

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Speaker 2: like I wouldn't. No, Uh, did you hear about the

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure you did, because every single person in

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Speaker 1: she fucking fought him and said not today, a motherfucker.

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Speaker 1: And here's the gray area, is like you don't want

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Speaker 1: sending the message that you should always fight once you

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Speaker 1: know that's it's just such a situational thing and like

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Speaker 1: that could be the absolute wrong thing.

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Speaker 2: To do in that situation. I say, in all of

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Speaker 2: And just because we're saying it out loud doesn't mean

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Speaker 2: it's a rule of any kind. No, nobody needs to

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Speaker 2: hear that in particular. But uh yeah, also if you,

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Speaker 2: if you I think in a situation like that, those bathrooms,

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Speaker 2: and then even more so in that bathroom, it's a

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Speaker 2: that can be turned around. So go for it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's true. Go for it. You know, you know, as

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Speaker 2: a human being, when you are in real danger, right,

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Speaker 2: that's then just allow those instincts to take over.

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Speaker 1: I think I would say, yeah, I think it's all instinctual.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's any thinking at that point, right,

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Speaker 2: And I like the idea that, like, I think, didn't

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Speaker 2: so that's where that came from. Is just like, because

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Speaker 2: that's the thing they teach you is you just start

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Speaker 1: Well, the thing I really did like about it, and

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Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't like wrestling. It was then she said,

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Speaker 1: I started clawing at his face. Yes, And I think

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Speaker 2: Yes, if there is someone in the bathroom that came

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Speaker 2: any way that you don't want to happen. You go

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Speaker 2: the knegos to the nuts, the fingers go to the eyes,

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Speaker 2: and you fucking go for it animal style, like they

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Speaker 2: serve it in and out. You fucking go for it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: put some fucking thousand Island on that. You can have anotherfucker.

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Speaker 2: Put that thousand Island beat down. You melt that cheese

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Speaker 2: on top of that beat down.

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Speaker 1: Girl, and you fucking put some saute onions and some

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Speaker 2: It's the it's called the Not Today motherfucker Special, and

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Speaker 1: You serve it up for free, animal style. Yeah, one

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Speaker 2: We have to take a class so we can talk

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Speaker 2: about actual I want to do it really bad. Let's

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Speaker 2: ones that the dog attacks, like to have the dog

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm just simply talking about the ones where

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Speaker 2: Of his space. And everything else's pads. I'm scared of that,

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Speaker 1: Stop me in my track. Maybe it would make you

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Speaker 1: fight him morey, Maybe your.

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Speaker 2: Hastings will kick in and you'll be like, well, I

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Speaker 2: can do this. Maybe I'm afraid that my animal animal

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Speaker 2: of the face and then in with the fingers in

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Speaker 2: the eyes. Yeah, then I get to maybe you should.

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Speaker 1: Hey, you know what, why is this creepy guys teaching

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Speaker 2: Anyways? Like, what's really his motive? Now he has your

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Speaker 1: Now he's my credit card number and your address, and

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Speaker 1: he's going to taco.

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Speaker 2: They'll taco every night on my dime. You know that's bullshit,

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Speaker 2: A literal dime. Who is this Tuesday nights? You can

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Speaker 1: Oh oh man, I fucking hit that place so hard.

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Speaker 1: And Whence is out of town, I went to Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, you drive there? Yeah, I mean because it's

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Speaker 2: It's not super close. I say it's super close.

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Speaker 1: I drove home and went there, but I did go

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Speaker 1: out of my way to go to Carls Junior, like.

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Speaker 2: The day before. Nice.

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Speaker 1: It's that fucking when the dog's away, the you know,

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Speaker 2: Yep, I bet your fart and all over this apartment.

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Speaker 2: I was. That's the fun of it. And you clean

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Speaker 2: all up, you put on one of your nicer house dresses. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Way to go totally normal, white being like weird beings

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Speaker 1: The corner of your mouth, thous an Island anything else.

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Speaker 1: Those were all my mistakes.

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Speaker 2: That's it. Bless me, Father Fries. How long has it

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Speaker 2: been since your last episode of my favorite Murner? It's

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Speaker 2: been I mean it's probably ten a good ten years since,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I always I've always been creeped out by confession.

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Speaker 1: It is as a Jewish person, I'm like, fuck.

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Speaker 2: It, no, it's super weird. And the fact that they

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Speaker 2: uh introduce it to when you're in third grade is

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Speaker 2: the creepiest part. Because they explain it to you, and

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Speaker 2: for me the type of person I was, which is

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Speaker 2: hating to do anything I've never done before. I couldn't

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Plus you have to memorize. You have to have the

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Speaker 2: our Father, the Hail Mary, and the Act of Contrition

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Speaker 2: all memorized perfectly. So if you're in there and it's

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Speaker 2: I just learned my A B c's Yes, I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, you have to recite an incantation to like

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Speaker 2: just the shadow of a man's face behind it is

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Speaker 2: that's our life. It's photos. It's fucking close. It's Stephen going.

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Speaker 2: turn of the century. So a lot of people have

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00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,720
Speaker 2: axes laying around the outside of their house, and a

437
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 2: lot of the places where he attacked well in here

438
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,360
Speaker 2: he sometimes did it with a straight razor, but mostly

439
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:43,960
Speaker 2: with an axe, which one is worse straight razors fast. Yeah,

440
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:45,480
Speaker 2: I don't think you'd even feel it. I think you'd

441
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,440
Speaker 2: be like, why is my neck cold? In this one time?

442
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,240
Speaker 1: I don't want I want to know. I want to

443
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 1: be clunked over the head and fucking out. Okay, then

444
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 1: you want an axe? Oh I guess Yeah, which you

445
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,159
Speaker 1: went an axe? Yeah, Jesus Christ, I think that's what

446
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 1: it is, because straight rain or you would, but you'd

447
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 1: bleed out so fast because it's just across the neck.

448
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 2: I don't know if you would. I mean, you definitely

449
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,199
Speaker 2: have time to look around panic. Don't want that. So

450
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 2: what's worse to me is straight Okay, what's worse? You

451
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,120
Speaker 2: would just you want to be out? Yeah makes sense? Yeah, okay.

452
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:20,719
Speaker 2: So here's what happened. This guy uh would use the

453
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 2: tools that he found in the home. He would kill

454
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,919
Speaker 2: the whole family, and he would hang out either before

455
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 2: or after they can't. They couldn't figure out before or

456
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 2: after oftentimes eating so they could have could have. Usually

457
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,360
Speaker 2: the helme is found locked when the police get there,

458
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 2: and it's never robbed, even though most of the time

459
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 2: that people have valuables out very very openly whatever, never

460
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 2: ever any sign of robbery, and oftentimes mirrors and faces

461
00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 2: are covered with fabric. Creepy, Yes, okay, So it starts

462
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 2: on May twenty second, nineteen eighteen. So a grocer named

463
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 2: Joseph Maggio was sleeping alongside his wife Catherine at their

464
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 2: home on the corner of Upper Line and Magnolia Streets

465
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 2: for people that live in New Orleans. So a guy

466
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 2: breaks into their house. He cuts their throats with a

467
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 2: straight razor, and upon leaving, he bashes their heads under

468
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 2: then axe.

469
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 1: Oh so he found both in So you don't even

470
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: need to choose.

471
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 2: That's right, here's where you take that off your plate.

472
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,400
Speaker 2: I don't even need to ask that. Don't worry about

473
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 2: it anymore. Cut that out because you are going to

474
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 2: feel both quickly and then but it's over anyway. Yeah,

475
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 2: Catherine's throat was cut so deep that her head was

476
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:49,120
Speaker 2: nearly So that's bad. And I see That's the thing.

477
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 2: Is like in those mafia movies and stuff, when the

478
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 2: guys get lean back and get at the barber to

479
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 2: get shaved, and the barber house the straight razor, and

480
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,360
Speaker 2: oft times in it if it's a movie, they'll cut

481
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 2: their throat for reason. But that like bond of trust

482
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 2: that you would have to have with that man because

483
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 2: they're doing that to you.

484
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 1: But I feel like a lot of times in movies

485
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 1: I've seen the the you know, the guy would lean

486
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,199
Speaker 1: back to get shaved, close his eyes and then and

487
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,919
Speaker 1: then the mafia guy would trade the places with the barber.

488
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 1: So the barber didn't do it. He was just a

489
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 1: neighborhood dude and he stepped out of his place. He

490
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: didn't he didn't retain his duty as the barber. Didn't

491
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: defend your life.

492
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,679
Speaker 2: He has a family to worry about. He took the

493
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 2: oath okay. So for a moment, I was like, what

494
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 2: the fuck? That's right? The barber's oh barbarza. I mean

495
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:43,719
Speaker 2: there's probably uh okay. In the apartment, the police found bloody,

496
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 2: the bloody clothes of the murderer, so he changed into

497
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 2: a clean set of clothes before he left, which is

498
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 2: the like also reflects back to him just chilling out

499
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 2: like this, committing these terrible murders and was hanging out,

500
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 2: so the they didn't investigators didn't do a complete search

501
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 2: of the premises after the bodies were removed, so later on,

502
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 2: that bloody razor was found on a neighbor's lawn, and

503
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 2: that razor that was used to kill the couple belonged

504
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 2: to Andrew Maggio, who's the brother of the of Joseph,

505
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,719
Speaker 2: the grocer who was murdered in his bed. And Andrew

506
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 2: owned a barber shop. There were brothers, weird, they were brothers, okay,

507
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 2: and those brothers are the people that found Joseph and

508
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 2: his wife Catherine because they were like staying at home

509
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 2: and not answering the phone or whatever, not doing what

510
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 2: they were supposed to be doing. And the three brothers

511
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 2: went over there and found their bodies. Fuck so do

512
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 2: his employee. Andrew's employee as Stebon Torres, told the police

513
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 2: that Maggio had removed the razor from his shop two

514
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 2: days prior to the murder, explaining that he wanted to

515
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 2: have a nick honed from the blade. So the razor

516
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 2: was out of the barber shop and had got like

517
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 2: gotten to get fixed somewhere. So an it's just out

518
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 2: of the it's in the mix now, I guess that

519
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 2: is what there is the point of that. Maggio, who

520
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 2: lived in the adjoining apartment to his brother's residence, discovered

521
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 2: the gruesome scene two hours after the attacks occurred, and

522
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 2: he blamed his failure to hear any noise related to

523
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:18,120
Speaker 2: the attacks in the early morning hours on his being

524
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 2: drunk because he had returned home the night before from

525
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 2: a celebration due to his departure to join the navy. Police, however,

526
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 2: were surprised that he failed to hear the intruder, as

527
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 2: he did make a forced entry into the home. So

528
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 2: then Andrew Maggio, the brother of Joseph, became the police

529
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 2: chief's prime suspect, but then he was released when investigators

530
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 2: were convinced that his alibi held up. He also told

531
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 2: police that there was an unknown man seen lurking near

532
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 2: the residents prior to the murders. So then so that

533
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 2: was May twenty second. About a month later, on June

534
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 2: twenty seventh, in the early morning hours, Louise Besumer and

535
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 2: his Louis sorry Louis Besume let's say that because they're

536
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 2: all French. Back there in New Orleans, Louis Bessimee and

537
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,239
Speaker 2: his mistress Harriet Lowe were attacked in the quarters at

538
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 2: the back of his grocery store. This is grocery number two.

539
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 2: Uh huh. Besume was struck in the with a hatchet

540
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 2: above his right temple, which resulted in a possible skull fracture,

541
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 2: and Harriet was hacked over the left ear and found

542
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 2: unconscious when the police arrived. They were discovered shortly after

543
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 2: seven am in the morning by John Zanka, who was

544
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 2: the bakery truck driver and he came to the grocery

545
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 2: to make a delivery, and then he found both Louis

546
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 2: Besimet and his mistress Harriet Lowe in a puddle of

547
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 2: their own blood, and the axe which had belonged to

548
00:27:55,240 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 2: Bessimey was found in the bathroom of the environment. So

549
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 2: bess may so they lived, and they he explained to

550
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 2: the police that he'd been sleeping. He was bashed with

551
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 2: a hatchet and then police arrest Lewis Obacon, who was

552
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 2: a forty one year old African American man who had

553
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,959
Speaker 2: been employed in Bestmet's store weeks before the attacks, but

554
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 2: there was no evidence that proved it the man was

555
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: guilty or even related to this, but the police arrested

556
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 2: him nonetheless stating that he had that he had offered

557
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 2: conflicting accounts of where he was the night of the

558
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 2: murder for the morning of the murder. So then shortly

559
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,239
Speaker 2: after that, Harriet Lowe stated that she remembered having been

560
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 2: attacked by a light skinned black man, but her statement

561
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 2: was discounted by the police because of her head injury

562
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 2: and because she was the mistress. She was an an

563
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 2: upstanding white oh Man, and robbery was said to be

564
00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 2: the explanation and what Obikon's motive was, except for nothing

565
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 2: was removed from from the best who may best May's

566
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: home right? Uh So essentially what ends up happening is

567
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 2: who knows? Uh? Can that be heard? Did you hear it?

568
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: But I think it'll be like the ghost train, just

569
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:23,479
Speaker 2: kind of faintly there is a child screeching that was

570
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 2: like a bone chilling scream. Though, should I throw something

571
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 2: at the off the balcony at them? On these little fuckers? Missus.

572
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 2: Harriet low then then starts to become like sensationalized in

573
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 2: the newspaper. She can't stop talking to the press. She's

574
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 2: criticizing the police. And then at once and this is

575
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: the mistress, this is the mistress. They and they keep

576
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 2: making a story about it because he basically got caught

577
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 2: with his mistress and was still married and this is

578
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 2: the story, and this is the story, not the.

579
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: Well.

580
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: It was all just in constantly in the paper, The Times,

581
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 2: piling sensationalized low in her outspoken nature. Upon discover that

582
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: she was not the wife of Besime but a mistress.

583
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 2: A charity hospital source discovered the scandal when Besseme asked

584
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 2: to be directed to the room of missus Harriet Lowe

585
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 2: and was inevitably denied access as no woman by that

586
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 2: name was a patient, So it's like he's not in

587
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 2: a relative he can't visit her. Wow. Then his legal

588
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 2: wife arrived from Cincinnati Cincinnati in a couple days after

589
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 2: the discovery and then which further inflamed the ongoing drama,

590
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 2: and she was pissed as fuck. Besme was released and

591
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 2: the two lead investigators get demoted for unacceptable police force. Yes,

592
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 2: but then Bessi May is arrested in August nineteen eighteen

593
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 2: as Harriet Lowe, who was dying in a charity hospital

594
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 2: after a failed heart surgery, states that it was Louis

595
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 2: who attacked her with the hatchet. Louis being the brother. No, no, no,

596
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 2: Louis Bessime is the grocer. Is the guy that also

597
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 2: got attacked, is like, hey, did it whatever? That he

598
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 2: was acquitted after ten minutes. There was no proof and

599
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 2: it was they knew she was just kind of this lunatic. Yeah, whatever,

600
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: at least that's the story that I got. Okay. So

601
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 2: then August fifth, nineteen eighteen, a twenty eight year old

602
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 2: woman named missus Schnyder who was eight months pregnant that

603
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 2: was attacked in the early evening of her hours on

604
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 2: her house in Elmira Street. She awoke to find a

605
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 2: dark figure standing over here her and was bashed in

606
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 2: the face repeatedly. Her scalp was cut open, her face

607
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 2: was completely covered in blood. She was discovered after midnight

608
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: by her husband, who had been returning from work, and

609
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 2: she was still alive, and she claimed that she remembered

610
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: nothing of the attack. She gave birth to a healthy

611
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: baby girl two days after the incident. It was crazy.

612
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: Nothing had been stolen from the home, even though there

613
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 2: was cash left out, the windows and doors were not

614
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 2: forced open, and they put together that she was attacked

615
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 2: with a lamp on like a bedside table.

616
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: I don't fucking attack pregnant people. I mean, he don't

617
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: attack anyone, but.

618
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 2: Like this guy, this guy really wants to attack everyone. Yeah,

619
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 2: as you will come to find out. Okay, So all right.

620
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 2: So then five days later, on August tenth, Joseph Fermano,

621
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 2: who's an elderly man living with his two nieces. The

622
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 2: two nieces hear him make a noise in his room

623
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 2: in their house that they live in together, and they

624
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 2: go in and discover that their uncle had taken a

625
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 2: serious blow to the head. He is so two huge

626
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 2: cuts in his head, and they see the guy fleeing

627
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 2: the scene as they walk in, but they can't tell

628
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 2: if he is thin or fat. They can't really say

629
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 2: anything for sure. They both have conflicting views. And even

630
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 2: though this old man was seriously injured, he could walk

631
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 2: to the ambulance, but he still died two days because

632
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 2: of the severe head trauma. Nothing was stolen. They found

633
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: a bloody axe in the backyard, and they discovered that

634
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 2: a panel had been chiseled out of the back door,

635
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 2: and that's how he was getting into these houses.

636
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: He was like just like going up to the back

637
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: door and like basically just making a little like like

638
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: prying it open, essentially like chizzling a spot open.

639
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 2: And then going in and unlocking it. I think someone

640
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 2: would hear that, Yeah, but it's they're all asleep, tip

641
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 2: tip tap tip tap. I still think you would have

642
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: heard that. I mean you would hope, you would hope

643
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:41,479
Speaker 2: that these guys didn't. So then at this point, a

644
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 2: man named John D'Antonio, who was a retired Italian detective,

645
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 2: started making public statements in which he hypothesized about this

646
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 2: man who had committed these axe man murders. And he

647
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 2: described the potential killer as an individual of dual personalities

648
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 2: who killed without motive, and he said that it could

649
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 2: very likely be a normal while buying sisen who would

650
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 2: be who was often overcome by an overwhelming desire to kill.

651
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 2: And he later went on to describe the killer as

652
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: a real doctor Jacqueline mister, I just can't even yeah, okay.

653
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 2: So then on March tenth, nineteen nineteen, so about six

654
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 2: months later, eight months later, Charles court Miglia, an immigrant

655
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: who lived with his wife and baby on the corner

656
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 2: of Jefferson and Second Street in Gretna, Louisiana, which is

657
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 2: a suburb of New Orleans. There's screams coming from their house,

658
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 2: and so grocer Orlando Giordano rushes across the street to investigate,

659
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 2: and he sees that Charles Courdimiglia, his wife, Rosie, and

660
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 2: their infant daughter had all been attacked by the unknown intruder.

661
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 2: Rosie stood in the doorway with a head wound clutching

662
00:34:54,800 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 2: her deceased don So, this axe wielding motherfucker us goes

663
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 2: in and kills everybody, no matter their age. I guess

664
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 2: it sounds like you have to be a grosser of

665
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 2: some kind that qualifies you or Italian, but just kills

666
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 2: everybody in the like in the apartment or in the wood.

667
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: The fuck. It's super crazy, Okay. And again nothing, No,

668
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 2: they weren't robbed. It ain't about that. Yeah, nothing stolen.

669
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: The back door was chiseled, the bloody axe was found

670
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: on the back porch.

671
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 2: He like, does it and then just would leave it

672
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 2: and walk away. And I can't wait to find out

673
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 2: who this motherfucker is. Okay, So then the police are

674
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 2: sent a letter or a letter gets published in the newspaper.

675
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 2: I don't know the order of how it got sent,

676
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: but this is what it said. It said it was

677
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:49,240
Speaker 2: postmarked from Hell, March thirteenth, nineteen nineteen. It reads esteemed mortal.

678
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 2: They have never caught me, and they never will. They

679
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 2: have never seen me, for I am invisible, even as

680
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 2: the ether that surrounds your earth. I'm not a human being,

681
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 2: but a spirit and a demon from the hottest Tell

682
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 2: I am what you or Lenians and your foolish policemen

683
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 2: call the axe man. When I see fit, I shall

684
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 2: come and claim other victims. I alone know whom they

685
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 2: shall be. I shall leave no clue except my bloody

686
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 2: axe be smeared with blood and brains of he whom

687
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 2: I have sent below to keep me company.

688
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: If you wish, you may tell the police to be

689
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: careful not to rile me. Of course, I am a

690
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: reasonable spirit. I take no offense at the way they

691
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: have conducted their investigations in the past. In fact, they

692
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: have been so utterly stupid as to not only amuse

693
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: me but his satanic Majesty Francis Joseph.

694
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 2: But tell them to beware. Let them not try to

695
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 2: discover what I am, for it were better that they

696
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 2: were never born than to occur the wrath of the

697
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 2: axe man. I don't think there's any need of such warning,

698
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 2: for I feel the police will always always dodge me,

699
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 2: as they have in the past. They are wise and

700
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 2: know how to keep all away from harm. Undoubtedly, you

701
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 2: or Linians think of me as the most horrible murderer,

702
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 2: which I am. But I could be much worse if

703
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: I wanted to. If I wished, I could pay a

704
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 2: visit to your city every night at will, I could

705
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 2: slay thousands of your best citizens. For I am in

706
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 2: close relationship with the angel of Death. Now to be exact,

707
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 2: at twelve to fifteen earthly time on next Tuesday night,

708
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 2: I'm going to pass over New Orleans in my infinite mercy.

709
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 2: I'm going to make a little proposition to you people here.

710
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 2: It is I am very fond of jazz music, and

711
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 2: I swear by all the devils in the nether regions

712
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 2: that every person shall be spared in whom a jazz

713
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 2: band is in full swing at the time I have

714
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 2: just mentioned. If everyone has a jazz band going well,

715
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 2: then so much the better for you people. One thing

716
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 2: is certain, and that is that some of your people

717
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 2: who do not jazz it on Tuesday night, if there

718
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 2: be any, will get the acts well. As I am

719
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 2: cold and crave the warmth of my native Tartaris, and

720
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 2: it is about time I leave your earthly home. I

721
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: will cease my discourse, hoping though will publish this that

722
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 2: it may go well with the I have been am

723
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 2: and will be the worst spirit that ever existed, either

724
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 2: in fact or realm of fancy. The axe man Jesus,

725
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 2: he's chatty, Oh god. So it reminds me of Richard

726
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 2: Ramirez's big speech in court where he's just like I

727
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 2: am the where it's that thing of like, you know,

728
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 2: he's not just a man anymore. He's like become a

729
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 2: god and all that kind of psychotic stuff.

730
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: Yes, very psychotic, but also very biblical. Oh yeah, but

731
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: also the yeah, and the whole thing. The whole time,

732
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 1: I was like, well, the more you talk, the more

733
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: the more you write, and the more information you give,

734
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: you're just giving away and your more clues, So shut

735
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 1: the fuck up.

736
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, But doesn't it seem like he has a

737
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 2: bit of a like because this is not essentially the

738
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 2: story of Passover.

739
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you'll pass over, you'll pass over the house

740
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: if they have jazz music.

741
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 2: Please, That's exactly it. It's not why you guys have

742
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 2: so much fun on passover, you have the best time.

743
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: No. I was like, this is where and buy a

744
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: fucking a record label. Exac, Who's like, wants it's jazz

745
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: music to be playing playing?

746
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 2: Who do not jazz it? On Tuesday night?

747
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: That's our new like Tuesday night club at whatever bar.

748
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,760
Speaker 1: We got a jazz at jazz and nobody likes jazz.

749
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,240
Speaker 1: So everyone's like a little unhappy.

750
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's like, well we'll kill you if well,

751
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 2: we just got to do it. Let's get through these

752
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 2: next fifteen minutes. Well apparently, so everyone jazzed it on

753
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 2: that Tuesday night and no one was shut up. Yeah,

754
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 2: it actually worked, excuse me. But then, of course, as

755
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 2: it always, as it always does it always, but thens

756
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,280
Speaker 2: there's so many but thens August tenth, Steve Boca, a grocer,

757
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 2: is attacked in his bedroom as he sleeps. Wait, is

758
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 2: he really purposely getting grocers? Well yes, because they all

759
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:50,240
Speaker 2: are they what a bomber? I mean, sell your business

760
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 2: so specific but it's they say grocer here. But I

761
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 2: also think it means people who keep stores. So it's

762
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 2: like sometimes it's a guy that has like a grocery

763
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: store and a bar type of place or some kind

764
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 2: of thing. Yeah, it doesn't necessarily mean like the big

765
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 2: thing of lettuce that's on the sidewalk, per se the

766
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 2: green grocer. They used to call them, right, the green grocer.

767
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 2: But there it is people that own stores. Weird, super

768
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 2: fucking weird. Okay. So then he wakes in the night,

769
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 2: finds a dark figure looming over him. When he regains consciousness,

770
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 2: he runs into the street finds that his head has

771
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 2: been cracked open. You found that found I found my

772
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 2: head to be cracked over, you know what. I need

773
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 2: help here. So he goes to his neighbor's house, collapses.

774
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: Then the neighbor calls the police. Nothing's taken from the home.

775
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 2: A panel on the back door had been chiseled away.

776
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 2: Boker recovered from his injuries, but he had again no memory.

777
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 2: And that's every single person that survives knows nothing about

778
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,959
Speaker 2: what happened. Head injuries. September thirteenth. That happens again. Sarah

779
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: Lawman was attacked on the night of September thirteenth. Her

780
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 2: neighbors came to check on her because she lived alone

781
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 2: and they hadn't seen her in a while. They broke

782
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 2: into her house when she didn't answer, and discovered the

783
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 2: nineteen year old lying unconscious on her bed, suffering from

784
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 2: a severe head injury, missing several teeth. Oh, this guy

785
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 2: goes straight for the fucking right to the face and

786
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:20,959
Speaker 2: nod him.

787
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: Yeah.

788
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 2: They say that all of the injuries were neck head,

789
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 2: and only a couple had on their defensive wombs on

790
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 2: their arms. Most of them. He would just get in

791
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 2: there and chop very precisely weird, and sometimes he would

792
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 2: obliterate the face of the man, and sometimes he would

793
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 2: rape the Bible. All right, Oh, but here's so bloody

794
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 2: axe is discovered on the front lawn. She recovered from

795
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 2: her injuries. Could any now? October twenty seventh, Mike Pepatone

796
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 2: is attacked. Did you ask Eddie Pepatone? I get put

797
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 2: in a call. He won't talk to me. That would

798
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 2: be amazing. I've never heard that last name before, I

799
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: know anyway. I so she sees his wife is awakened

800
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 2: by a noise and walks into the bedroom. Walks to

801
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,919
Speaker 2: the bedroom door just as a large axe wielding man

802
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 2: is fleeing the scene. Mike had been struck in the

803
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 2: head was covered in his own blood. Blood spreader covered

804
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 2: the majority of the room, but Missus Pepotone is unable

805
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 2: to explain any of the killers described the killer in

806
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 2: any way. I did read something that said Missus Pepton,

807
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 2: missus Pepotone went on to shoot the man she believed

808
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 2: was standing there. So this is a different story than

809
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 2: the end of this one, which is basically, she didn't

810
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 2: know and she had nothing to explain to say to

811
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 2: the cops. There's another story that said missus Pepotone knew

812
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 2: who it was and after her husband, like a couple

813
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: weeks after the murder, she shot the man in the

814
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: street and then the murder stopped happening. That's right now,

815
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 2: who knows? Yeah, and then she herself was convicted of

816
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 2: murder and was in jail for ten years. What the shit?

817
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 2: Who knows about any of that?

818
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 3: So?

819
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 2: Okay, So that's the those are that's the full realm

820
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 2: of the of the Axe Man of New Orleans murders. Okay,

821
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 2: But then I watched a documentary on the YouTube that

822
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 2: was actually very good, although it seemed very like kind

823
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 2: of homemade, self produced. The guy that was narrating it,

824
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 2: I don't think his British accent was his original accent

825
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 2: of life. It had a little bit of this feel

826
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 2: to it. It was what's the word when you try

827
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 2: too hard? You're an actor? Yep. It was had a

828
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 2: real actor feel effect. Affected. Affected, Yeah, okay, but it's

829
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 2: really good, good information. I could be totally wrong about

830
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 2: the accent. Also doesn't mean it's not real good, that's right.

831
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 2: But here's the thing. Every once in a whileness, it's

832
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 2: like a fifty minute documentary and everyone's while when he's

833
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 2: talking about a different fact, they'll just be like a

834
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 2: sound effect of screaming. So it's just like almost like

835
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:14,720
Speaker 2: Haunted House style like carmond Is with the children screaming outside.

836
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 2: I guess it is effective. So it's not, you know,

837
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 2: affected and effective. It's affecting. It's affected, Okay. This documentary

838
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 2: basically theorizes that the axe Man of New Orleans actually

839
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 2: was killing for long before the New Orleans attacks and

840
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 2: after and he so they just start saying because from

841
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 2: eighteen seventy nine to nineteen twenty two in America, there

842
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 2: were lots and lots of axe murderers, or a guy

843
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 2: broke into the house by chiseling the back door, chiseling

844
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 2: in the middle of the night, killing an entire family,

845
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 2: not robbing them, using their own acts to do it,

846
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 2: with eating before or after hanging out in the house,

847
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 2: usually a farmer. Usually it's like a whole family, and

848
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 2: it's kind of out in the middle of nowhere where

849
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 2: it takes a couple of days.

850
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: Rural brutal as fun nor rural rural, rural, brutal, rural,

851
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: the brutal rural.

852
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so and this is just so the guys

853
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 2: just basically saying these aren't this is so long ago,

854
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 2: and this is like pre any of the like percy,

855
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 2: you know, police procedural knowledge that we have now there

856
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 2: there also could be more and people just haven't connected

857
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 2: the fact. But okay, So in eighteen seventy nine, an

858
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 2: elderly couple, this is somewhere in Georgia. It's a rainy night.

859
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 2: They're attacked, almost decapitated, and when the police investigate the

860
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: crime scene, they find that someone had been hiding an

861
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 2: upstairs room for minimum of two days because there were smoke,

862
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 2: cigarettes and human feces in there. So someone had snuck

863
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: into their house, hung out, and then waited fuck for

864
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 2: the night time.

865
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: I always want to live in a small house. I

866
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 1: don't want there to be rooms that just don't get

867
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:03,959
Speaker 1: looked into.

868
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, addicts, No, you could also you could also

869
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 2: like release, you know, I don't know, some kind of

870
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 2: super dangerous animal every night, just to take a run

871
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,439
Speaker 2: around the house. Yeah.

872
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,720
Speaker 1: I was gonna say cobra, but that'd be too scary.

873
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: How about a siam acrosside Siamese. Yeah, he's very intimidating.

874
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: So this is it was their axe. The axe was

875
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: left in the fireplace.

876
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 2: There was no robbery, even though there was a stash

877
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 2: of silver on like the kitchen counter. Five years later,

878
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 2: in eighteen eighty four in Austin, Texas, a woman named

879
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 2: Molly Smith is attacked in her bed with an axe,

880
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 2: and then the attacker pulls her outside into the backyard,

881
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 2: rapes her, and murders her outside weird. Several months later,

882
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 2: Eliza Shelley is also murdered with an axe. Her head

883
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 2: is split open, and on that one the police know

884
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,959
Speaker 2: that none of the dogs in the neighborhood barked, and

885
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 2: there were dogs that were tied up right next door,

886
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 2: and they didn't bark or have a reaction of any

887
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,439
Speaker 2: kind the entire night. So it was a silent night

888
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:13,720
Speaker 2: on both of those nights.

889
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,879
Speaker 1: Weird, and that freaked the police out really bad because

890
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: it's like, usually you just get a little something people,

891
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: but always that note always freaks me out because it's

892
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: clearly someone that the dogs know.

893
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 2: Yes, and that's been doing kind of doing their groundwork, yeah,

894
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 2: to like make sure the dogs are like, he's gonna

895
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 2: throw them food or something. Yeah, he's he's So four

896
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 2: more people are killed in this same way, slaughtered in

897
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 2: their beds, with their own acts, no robbery, the weapons

898
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,720
Speaker 2: left in the house. Until Christmas Eve of eighteen eighty five,

899
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 2: a couple is attacked and the bloodhound could couldn't get

900
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 2: a scent like they they gave the bloodhouted thing to

901
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 2: smell that was from the axe left behind, and they

902
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 2: couldn't get a scent and they were like the best

903
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 2: bloodhounds around or whatever. So again it was that thing

904
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,240
Speaker 2: where the cops were like, maybe this is a demon

905
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 2: like whatever. Yeah. Uh, this was before so they would

906
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 2: be like, huh, maybe some demon's going to write us

907
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 2: a letter in fifteen years right. Oh. Also here, in

908
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 2: like a couple other places, they found bare footprints in

909
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 2: the blood. Ooh, weird in eighteen ninety seven. This is

910
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 2: twelve years later now up in Paradise Ridge, Tennessee, the

911
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 2: Aid family. A neighbor sees the Aid family farmhouse on fire,

912
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: and so he uh goes over to see what's happening.

913
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 2: And not only is their house on fire, but their

914
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 2: barn and a couple of other buildings on their ranch.

915
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 2: And when they put the fire out, they find the

916
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 2: entire family has been murdered with an axe. The parents,

917
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 2: their daughter who was in her twenties, the son who

918
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 2: was thirteen, and a neighbor girl who was ten. I

919
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 2: think that's him. What's that? I don't think it's him.

920
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 2: That one. The killer ate either before or after the killing.

921
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 2: He hung out in the house. And the neighbor girl,

922
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 2: they think the way they traced it, she got away

923
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: and he caught her, killed her and threw her back

924
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 2: into the burning Oh my god. Fourteen years after that

925
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 2: in I cannot see what that says? Something or again

926
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 2: near Portland. It's near Portland. The Hill family is murdered

927
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 2: in their house. The children are murdered in their beds.

928
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 2: It's everything is exactly the same, so it's it's just

929
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 2: basically they've pulled all these crimes where like an entire family,

930
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 2: no robbery, axe head wounds, all of it. A month

931
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 2: after that, in Rainer, Washington, Archie Cobble and his wife

932
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 2: are murdered in their bed with an axe. In nineteen eleven,

933
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 2: in Colorado Springs, a man walks into the home of

934
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 2: Alice Buncheon, I think it says, and murdered her and

935
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 2: her six year old daughter and her three year old son.

936
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 2: And when her sister went to visit she found the bodies.

937
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 2: She ran outside and screamed for help, and everybody in

938
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,919
Speaker 2: the neighborhood came running, except the family that nit lived

939
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 2: next door, the Wayne family, and so they went to

940
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 2: check on them, and the wife, husband, and one year

941
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 2: old baby had all been slaughtered in their beds, and

942
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 2: then the beds were made up after them like the kill.

943
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 2: Her killer had killed them and then tucked them back

944
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 2: in horrifine, so it looked like they were sleeping. Both

945
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 2: of those cases no robbery. Both houses were locked from

946
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 2: the inside. Thirteen days after that, in Monmouth, Illinois, the

947
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 2: first Presbyterian church is not open for the service on Sunday,

948
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 2: so everybody calls the caretaker, who doesn't answer. They go

949
00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 2: to the caretaker's house and he sorry. Mister Danson is

950
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 2: the caretaker. He, his wife, and their teen daughter are

951
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 2: murdered in their beds. There's no robbery. Two weeks later,

952
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 2: in Ellsworth, Kansas. Ellsworth, Kansas, the Sherman family hasn't been

953
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 2: seen for a while. A neighbor that's worried about them

954
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 2: because they weren't answering their phone goes to visit. All

955
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 2: five of the Shermans have been murdered with an axe

956
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 2: in their house. The police found the axe and the

957
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 2: phone was wrapped with a piece of someone's clothing was

958
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 2: wrapped around the phone, and the police later realized that

959
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 2: it was probably because the neighbor was calling over and

960
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 2: over and so he wrapped that so he wouldn't have

961
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 2: to hear the phone silence. Creepy yes. Two weeks later,

962
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:57,439
Speaker 2: in Mount Pleasant, Iowa, mister J. B. Jordan leaves for work.

963
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 2: He doesn't lock the kitchen door. Their eldest son is upstairs.

964
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 2: He hears his mother screamed. He runs downstairs and finds

965
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 2: that she's been attacked in her bed with an axe.

966
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 2: She has an injury to her head, but she survives,

967
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 2: but it remembers nothing. Nothing is They're not robbed, and

968
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 2: nobody sees anything. Eight months later, in Paola, Kansas, a

969
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 2: young couple in their early twenties, the Hudson's, hadn't been seen.

970
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 2: Neighbors check. They're murdered in their bed. And that night

971
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 2: a family in the same town wakes to the sound

972
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 2: of a lamp crashing to the floor and the father

973
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 2: goes downstairs to see what it is and he sees

974
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 2: a man leaving their house. Oh less than a week later,

975
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 2: and I think I'm pronouncing this right. In Veleska, Iowa,

976
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 2: it's the Velleska axe murderers. Remember there was somebody that

977
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 2: brought us a bag of stuff from the Vellska. I

978
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 2: don't know if I'm pronouncing it right. Do you know

979
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 2: stevea Velaska?

980
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 1: Okay, So this is the most this is one of

981
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: the most famous axe murder cases. But I didn't realize

982
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: that the theory is basically this is one guy because

983
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: this the Velaska axe murder house.

984
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 2: So it's the more family.

985
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:22,879
Speaker 1: Was it like the murders from the Tremen pope similar, Okay, yeah,

986
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: where where they just killed that family for no reason?

987
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 2: But this is it's their whole family. They'd gotten back

988
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 2: from church, and then nobody saw them for days. But

989
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 2: they did see smoke coming out of the chimney, but

990
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 2: they just didn't see them out on their farm doing

991
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 2: their chores. So the neighbors were just like, what's that's weird.

992
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,240
Speaker 2: So after three days they go check. The entire family

993
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,399
Speaker 2: has been murdered with axes in their beds, plus two

994
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 2: little girls who were there for a sleepover that were

995
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 2: neighbor girls. So eight people were murdered in this house

996
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 2: with axes and he They found that the man had

997
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 2: been hiding at every mirror in the house was covered

998
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 2: with a piece of clothing. Nothing had been stolen. The

999
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 2: killer definitely spent at least two days there, lots of like,

1000
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 2: had made food, left a bunch of stuff out, and

1001
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 2: they found proof again that he had waited in the

1002
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 2: attic for two days until nighttime so he could come

1003
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 2: out and surprise them and murder them. And then in

1004
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 2: nineteen fourteen in Blue Island, Illinois, a family is found

1005
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 2: This is two years later a family's found murdered in

1006
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 2: their bed, and then that brings us up to the

1007
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 2: nineteen eighteen in New Orleans and then four years later

1008
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 2: in Germany. So then in the nineteen nineteen murder Christmas

1009
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 2: Eve was the last one the Peppa town where the

1010
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 2: chicks shot at him, right suppose shot and killed somebody,

1011
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 2: and then the murders ended. But in Germany, there was

1012
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 2: a farmer who saw a set of footprints this story

1013
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 2: in the snow leading to his house, but not away.

1014
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 2: This is the craziest story. He searches his whole house

1015
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 2: top to bottom, doesn't find anything, goes to bed that night,

1016
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 2: either that night or the next night, and then he's murdered.

1017
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 2: He and his family are murdered, and it's the exact

1018
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 2: same thing.

1019
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: And that guy hides in their house. I think, right, yes,

1020
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: he's hidden in their house. But they couldn't find where.

1021
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: All of the bodies in this were covered with sheets

1022
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 1: or some of them are out in the barn, so

1023
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: they were covered in piles of hay. He stayed through

1024
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: the weekend and there was no robbery, So it was

1025
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 1: exactly the same moo as all of these other ones.

1026
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: So basically, so it's just saying it could be this

1027
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 1: German immigrant because and the Volesca axe murder house, there

1028
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: was a note written in German under the table that

1029
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: was left behind, and there was another one of the

1030
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 1: women that survived in the earlier ones heard him speaking

1031
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: in German, So there was a theory that he was

1032
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: a German immigrant who kind of did this for you

1033
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: know what. It seems like over twenty maybe thirty years,

1034
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: then takes a book back to Germany. He's going to

1035
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,399
Speaker 1: chill out, and then four years later he can't wait

1036
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: anymore and he does it again or has been doing it,

1037
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: and they just never got Yes, I just wonder up

1038
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,439
Speaker 1: in town there was anyone who had like been away

1039
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: if they had.

1040
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 2: Known to ask that you mean in Germany? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1041
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 2: It's it's super crazy. It's so extreme. So then this

1042
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 2: is the best part. But I don't I don't get

1043
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,479
Speaker 2: how it connects. It connects in this documentary perfectly because

1044
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 2: the guy is going like meats and he's like in

1045
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four. But it's super awesome anyway, even if

1046
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 2: it's not real. But so basically a guy there there

1047
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 2: they have an old a navy ship that they're basically

1048
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 2: parting out because it's like done for it's retired or

1049
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 2: whatever they call that. And so this guy was his

1050
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 2: job to go through this navy ship before they take

1051
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 2: it all apart and take pictures and record and basically

1052
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 2: do a report on what the status of the ship

1053
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 2: was and give inventory so they know what should be saved.

1054
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 2: Creepy to begin with. Can you imagine being alone in

1055
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 2: a fucking navy ship? Why alone?

1056
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: And also there was some extra things where I was like,

1057
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: we're guilding the lily here where it was like because he,

1058
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: you know, the whole ship was off, so he had

1059
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: a flashlight.

1060
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 2: Then he were trying a flashlight off and it was

1061
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 2: said that he haunted I mean yeah, his camera.

1062
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1063
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 2: But even still when he turned all the pictures in

1064
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 2: and it was hundreds and hundreds of pictures, he got

1065
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 2: a frantic call back from like headquarters or whatever, and

1066
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 2: they're like, who's the old man with the axe in

1067
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 2: that picture? Oh my god. So then they send him

1068
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 2: the picture. Oh my god, you're gonna show me. Yeah, right,

1069
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 2: shot the fuck up. It's real. Oh my god, I'm

1070
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 2: gonna cry.

1071
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cry.

1072
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 2: I'm gonna cry. Let me see here, Steven I dropped

1073
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 2: the phone that is no, yeah, yeah, don't.

1074
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: Want Like, that's the creepiest, scariest thing I've ever seen

1075
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: in my life.

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00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 2: Chills, chill people, what do people like? Look up axe

1077
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 2: man navy ship. That's exactly what I put on my

1078
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 2: old man axe. Oh and look, I don't want here's

1079
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 2: a close up. I don't want it for everybody else.

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00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: We'll post this, but uh, it's basically you know when

1081
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 1: you do you see like a ghost a ghost investigator show,

1082
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: and they do a thing where they'll circle something in

1083
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: a picture and you're like, I have no idea what

1084
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: you're talking about. This is clearly a man on this

1085
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: ship with an axe in his hand, but the close

1086
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: up is less convincing to me. We're honestly like, it

1087
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: looks like the guys wearing like a mask of like

1088
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: that commercial with the like an old man mask but

1089
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: the six flags guy dances guy but.

1090
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 2: Far away and that's definitely an axe.

1091
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: It's far away, and like, yeah, that's it looks like

1092
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: something you wouldn't notice until you saw the photo.

1093
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 2: Kind of a thing. Well, also, I love the idea

1094
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 2: it's too close. I love the idea of this old

1095
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 2: guy is so good at like evading the police and

1096
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 2: getting away with stuff that he knows to like, Oh,

1097
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 2: I'm just going to go live on this old ship

1098
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 2: that they haven't parted out yet totally Like that idea

1099
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 2: does link together well for me. And then they at

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00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 2: the end of this documentary I highly recommend and again

1101
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 2: you just go put in the axe Man of Noorleans

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00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 2: and it'll come up. It's the only one that's like

1103
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 2: fifty minutes long. But they they start listing all of

1104
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 2: the other unrelated, unsolved but full family axe murders where

1105
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 2: there was no robbery and like basically all of those

1106
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 2: qualifiers that I kept repeating. Yeah, and there were probably

1107
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 2: like eight of them additionally that were just in random

1108
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 2: cities and what I would love to do. And I'm

1109
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 2: sure somebody has because they said somewhere it said they

1110
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 2: were all near railroad tracks. So this guy could have

1111
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 2: just been hopping on a train and just going because

1112
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:19,919
Speaker 2: he really does clearly is just a drifter. Yeah, that's

1113
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 2: going from place to place. And what a perfect way

1114
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 2: to be a murderer. Ye, you do it, jump on

1115
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 2: a train, you were never there.

1116
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if there's some like, you know, uh, German

1117
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: fairy tale that has to do with like all the

1118
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 1: weird shit that was.

1119
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 2: In that letter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like he mentioned specific places that I'd

1121
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 1: never heard of, like in regards to Hell. So I

1122
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: wonder if like there's some connection there.

1123
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder if they've done any kind of like

1124
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 2: studying Jack the River styles about it. Yeah. Yeah, I

1125
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 2: had no idea it was this. Like I found that

1126
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 2: to be so fascinating because because it is one of

1127
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 2: those things like the Velesca axe murder house and that

1128
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 2: whole it's so crazy that it is a standalone murder story. Yeah,

1129
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 2: but it could possibly be connected to this other like

1130
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 2: just a crazy serial killer. That if if it is

1131
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 2: this guy he killed.

1132
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: Sixty one people of the cases they know as a

1133
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: scandalone murder, it's like, well, it's someone they knew or

1134
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: that had a beef with someone or that you know,

1135
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: they were partners with in business and so they wanted

1136
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: it to himself. But if it's not, then that's even

1137
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 1: then that makes almost more sense.

1138
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just the house by the railroad tracks where

1139
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,439
Speaker 2: he felt like jumping off in the first place, needed

1140
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 2: to close What kind of interesting I'm sure there's plenty

1141
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 2: more other people know that photo is fucking horrifying. Get

1142
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 2: ready to enjoy it, all right, people of no orally listening, people.

1143
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 1: Of Okay, we're back, Karen. Do you have any updates?

1144
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 2: No updates, But there's some interesting theories about this case

1145
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 2: and the identity of the axe Man. A New Orleans

1146
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 2: historian named Bond Ruggles thinks that the axe Man was

1147
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 2: not a man, but believes it was a woman who

1148
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 2: outsmarted everyone, and her theory points to the survivors who

1149
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 2: were struck repeatedly but left alive, and Ruggles says if

1150
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 2: a man had done it, they'd be dead. And then

1151
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 2: she also cites the small entry points that were cut

1152
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 2: into the doors that the killer came through, and in

1153
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 2: another twist, she suggests that Mike Peppatone's widow, one of

1154
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 2: the victim's widows, and the man she shot were in

1155
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 2: on these murders together and that they were lovers and

1156
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 2: that she framed him basically to inherit everything.

1157
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 1: Wow.

1158
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 2: I also have a theory which I bring up any

1159
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 2: time I have the opportunity to, which is based on

1160
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 2: the book The Man on the Train, my favorite true

1161
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 2: crime book. And what's crazy is there's all ready theories,

1162
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 2: and I mention it in the episode that one of

1163
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 2: the theories is it might have been a drifter or

1164
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 2: an immigrant, which is a weird racist thing from the

1165
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 2: pass where it's like it was a drifter, Yeah, a

1166
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 2: fully American drifter traveling by train between towns and the

1167
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 2: Man on the train. Please read the book if you haven't,

1168
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 2: but like it fits perfectly into the timeline, the m

1169
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 2: O all the different things of the Man on the Train.

1170
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 2: I know you love that one, and it's so fascinating. Yeah,

1171
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 2: just like that idea that there's one guy doing all

1172
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 2: these horrible things and that it can be traced together.

1173
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it's so crazy, the idea. Also

1174
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 2: just an axe murderer going unfound, the case going unsolved,

1175
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 2: like you would think, I mean, I don't know.

1176
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 1: I mean how many, yeah, how many serial murderers and

1177
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 1: how many people like it's just so easy to disappear

1178
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 1: back then up until like pretty recently. Yeah, just yeah,

1179
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 1: you know, it's a scary thought.

1180
01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:00,040
Speaker 2: Jump on a train dragging your bloody axe behind you.

1181
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 2: You'll be fine. It's insane, all right. So let's now

1182
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 2: get into Georgia's story from this episode, it's about William

1183
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 2: Bradford Bishop. We're talking about the lights being depressing randomly.

1184
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 2: We had a pause. Yeah, we have to have a

1185
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:20,479
Speaker 2: human brain.

1186
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:22,439
Speaker 1: And I made Steven turn the kitchen lights on because

1187
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 1: it's dusk, which depresses the shit out of me. Yeah,

1188
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 1: I was saying that it's you know what gets me

1189
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 1: is I have a friend who has that same thing

1190
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 1: where he has a whole system if he has to

1191
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 1: go around the house and turn off everything on, like

1192
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 1: when the sun is beginning to go down too.

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01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 2: It's not even like when it's down. I have the

1194
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 2: opposite thing of when I get up in the morning,

1195
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 2: if there's a lamp on it, it's that thing. Why

1196
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 2: are we even doing this feeling where it's like no

1197
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:50,480
Speaker 2: one turned the lights off last night, like no one's

1198
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 2: minding the shop. Feeling that makes me like it never

1199
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:56,479
Speaker 2: got shut down.

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01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 1: Yes, I feel the same way about when I wake

1201
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 1: up and come out in the house is messy.

1202
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 2: Yep.

1203
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 1: What's funny about that I was talking about that is

1204
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 1: when therapy the other day we kind of paste it

1205
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 1: like piece it together. That that might be why between

1206
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 1: like three o'clock and seven o'clock, I always want to

1207
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 1: go have a drink and like have happy hour, like.

1208
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 2: Pick fence up from work and we go have a drink.

1209
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 1: And it's like I want to make this part a

1210
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 1: celebration because but then after that, I'm fine.

1211
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 2: Can I just put out a suggestion that you've probably

1212
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 2: already talked about, which is three o'clock and a seven

1213
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 2: o'clock is the latch key time where you're home by

1214
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 2: yourself after school before anybody gets home from work.

1215
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 1: That's exactly it. Yeah, yeah, it's a rough time. Yeah,

1216
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 1: it's total latch key watch key shit.

1217
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 2: Yeah that to me, that time is like three to

1218
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 2: seven is all about watching TV. I'm not interested in watching,

1219
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 2: but we won't not watch TV, like if there's nothing on.

1220
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 2: Back in the time where there was times where there

1221
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 2: was nothing on, but we'd still just sit there and

1222
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 2: force ourselves to watch, like Mother's Star Trek. Yes, it

1223
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 2: was always reruns a Star Trek, which my sister and

1224
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 2: I didn't like, so we were like, well there's nothing

1225
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 2: else on, what's on?

1226
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 1: Watch?

1227
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 2: And now I'm like an expert because of that. I've

1228
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 2: seen all of them fifteen Tons.

1229
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen a fucking shit ton Next Generation. Oh,

1230
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 1: every episode I've seen.

1231
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 2: It seems like everything in adult life is just ways

1232
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 2: of kind of trying to give the child at that

1233
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 2: time a little bit of a bottle.

1234
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 1: And like shut the fuck up. I mean, well, that's

1235
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 1: why I like drinking booze or anything.

1236
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 2: It's like everybody has a thing, but you're just kind

1237
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 2: of it's almost like you're trying to go back and

1238
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 2: be like, somebody should have been here and given you this. Oh,

1239
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 2: somebody should have like you know what I mean, somebody

1240
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 2: should have come and rubbed your back a little bit,

1241
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 2: made you actual food.

1242
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 1: And that's my that's a lot of my therapy is Yeah,

1243
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 1: is that same sers Yeah, it's the shit that, like

1244
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 1: your fucking patterns that you keep repeating until adulthood in

1245
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:52,919
Speaker 1: some weird way that I'm now trying to like, you're

1246
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 1: now doing your best to fucking break. Yeah, but it

1247
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 1: feels fraudulent, it doesn't. It feels like everything is going

1248
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 1: to fall apart, apart all the time, hanging by a

1249
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 1: straight time. That's why we like podcasts fucking Murder because

1250
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 1: that's truth, that is true.

1251
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 2: That's fucking preaching it truth.

1252
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 1: Okay, speaking of Hey Karen, are you ready for a

1253
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 1: family annihilator. Yes, ready for William Bradford Bishop. Ooh okay, Oh,

1254
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 1: Bill Bishop from down the street, Billy.

1255
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 3: Bish, Bill Bish real bad bish.

1256
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 2: Did I say that right? No, Bill Bradbish Okay.

1257
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:40,919
Speaker 1: Anyways, on the morning of March first, nineteen seventy six,

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01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 1: in good old Bethesda, Maryland, William Bradford Bishop, who's a

1259
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 1: thirty nine year old Yale graduate, and.

1260
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 2: My god, say that with more disdaining? Did I say it?

1261
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 2: Yale graduate? I didn't even do that on purpose? College?

1262
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 2: You think you're better than me? Fucking college? Fucking Oh,

1263
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:00,160
Speaker 2: you're know better than me because you fucking I went

1264
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 2: to school with divy on it. Oh you're a alely graduate.

1265
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 1: In the United States, foreign service officer learns that he

1266
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 1: is not getting the promotion that he expected. He tells

1267
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 1: his secretary he might be getting the flu and leaves work.

1268
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 1: He withdraws four hundred dollars from his bank, drives to

1269
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:27,639
Speaker 1: Sears and buys a gas can and a sledgehammer. Uh oh,

1270
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 1: a sledgehammer or a ball peen hammer, which you've mentioned before,

1271
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 1: and I had no idea what it was.

1272
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 2: The sled sledgehammers are big and baalpen hammers are normal hammers,

1273
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:37,480
Speaker 2: I believe.

1274
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 1: So, I think you're right. So I don't know how

1275
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 1: those could have been Anyways. He also buys a shovel

1276
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 1: and a pitchfork. Then he heads home to his wife, mother,

1277
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 1: and three children.

1278
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 2: Now, if you're working at that, seers, you're like, I

1279
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 2: think this guy might be starting his own hardware store

1280
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 2: using our stuff. Yeah. Going home in the garden about

1281
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:56,599
Speaker 2: he wants to mark his name down, Yeah, something, make

1282
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 2: a list. Yeah, just just follow him home and make

1283
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:04,719
Speaker 2: sure that he doesn't someone do something annihilate the next day.

1284
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 2: So the next he does all that shit the next day.

1285
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 1: About a six hour drive from Bethesda and about five

1286
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 1: miles from Columbia, North Carolina, and a wooded, swampy forest area,

1287
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 1: a forest ranger's dispatch to an area where smoke is

1288
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 1: rising from the trees.

1289
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 2: There he finds five burned bodies.

1290
01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 1: Oh, the burned bodies aren't identified for a week until

1291
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 1: a neighbor of the Bishops calls the police worried that

1292
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 1: he hadn't seen the family in a week. When the

1293
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:38,719
Speaker 1: police enter the Bradford home, they find a blood bath,

1294
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 1: with spattered blood on the floors and walls, and the

1295
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 1: children's room is covered ceiling to floor in blood. Ooh,

1296
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:50,680
Speaker 1: and it's then that the shovel from the scene of

1297
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 1: the burning bodies is traced back to a hard work

1298
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:55,759
Speaker 1: store in Bethesda, and the police make the connection.

1299
01:09:56,000 --> 01:10:01,679
Speaker 2: You mean us Ears, sorry, yours robuting company at the time,

1300
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 2: We're going to be specific. It is actually Tugley's Sears

1301
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 2: roback in nineteen seventy seven. You know name thing? I mean? Yeah,

1302
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:12,839
Speaker 2: all right. So police think that Bradford killed his wife,

1303
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 2: who was his high school sweetheart, Annette, first, followed by

1304
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:19,880
Speaker 2: his mother, Lobella, who was returning home from walking the

1305
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:24,599
Speaker 2: family's golden retriever Leo's spoiler alert, Leo's okay, oh good, okay,

1306
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:27,800
Speaker 2: Mom and wife so far dead, it's very much dead.

1307
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:31,799
Speaker 1: Bludgend bad, bad, bad, bludgeoned as fuck. Then he kills

1308
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 1: his three boys. Fifteen year old Brad, ten year old Brunton,

1309
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 1: and five year old Jeffrey were killed while they slept

1310
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:41,879
Speaker 1: in their beds in an upstairs bedroom, all of them bludgeoned.

1311
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 2: Here's a fucking horrifying part.

1312
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 1: The detective says that in his twelve years as an officer,

1313
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 1: it was one of the worst. It was the worst

1314
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 1: crime scene he had ever observed, and he notes that

1315
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 1: there were hammer marks on the ceiling above the top

1316
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 1: bunk bed in one of the boy's bedrooms, which told

1317
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 1: how many times and howiously Bishop had struck his son

1318
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 1: so in the like back and then blow he hits

1319
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 1: the ceiling.

1320
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 2: Dude.

1321
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, so a massive manhunt ensues for Bishop is. The

1322
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:18,799
Speaker 1: family station wagon that was used to transport the bodies

1323
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:23,639
Speaker 1: to be burned was found abandoned a parking lot hundreds

1324
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,639
Speaker 1: of miles west from where the bodies were found, and

1325
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:30,599
Speaker 1: Bishop's also identified by the clerk of sporting goods store

1326
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:33,599
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville, North Carolina, using his credit card to purchase

1327
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:36,679
Speaker 1: Congress shoes the same day that the bodies were found.

1328
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 2: Was he coming to Silver Lake? I know? I added

1329
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:43,599
Speaker 2: that because I just thought it was so oh that detailed. Thought, yeah,

1330
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 2: like we were making the same joke. Oh, I got that. Yeah,

1331
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 2: that's what it's.

1332
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:50,599
Speaker 1: Some some articles said ten of shoes, and I'm like, no, converse,

1333
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 1: that's like a specific thing because we've all owned them.

1334
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:56,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. And also it sounds like because he

1335
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 2: was did you say he was in the navy or something?

1336
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:02,679
Speaker 2: He he's some kind of military guy, so he's trying

1337
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:06,639
Speaker 2: to play different character. Sure, he's blending in hippie shit,

1338
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 2: he's trying to bring his hippy ship to the West coast. Yeah,

1339
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:12,759
Speaker 2: or be a skater, and that man turned.

1340
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 1: Out to me. Yeah, I can't think of anyone because

1341
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 1: I don't know Tony. I say Peralta, oh say Pta shit,

1342
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 1: and there we go.

1343
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 2: Stephen, I'm a poser. I'm a poser. Supposer. You're not

1344
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 2: posing to be a fucking skating I'm trying to make

1345
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 2: people think I skate. Hey, bro okay, Colmer shoes.

1346
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 1: Same day the bodies are found, and it's also said

1347
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 1: that he had the dog on a leash with him,

1348
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 1: so he didn't And when I first read this whole article,

1349
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 1: it was that the dog was killed too, and I'm like,

1350
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:45,479
Speaker 1: people are not going to fucking like that. But the

1351
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:47,759
Speaker 1: dog is on a leash and he seems to be okay.

1352
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 1: After that sighting, the trail goes cold. And since Bishop

1353
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:55,679
Speaker 1: spoke six languages fluently, knew how to fly a plane,

1354
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 1: and had lived throughout the world, and possibly had fake

1355
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:01,759
Speaker 1: id's because of his work at the State Department, finding

1356
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 1: him didn't look good. Law enforcement tried to get his

1357
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 1: psychotherapy records from his shrink, who Bishop had been seeing

1358
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 1: once or twice a week for five years, but the

1359
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:15,559
Speaker 1: shrink refused, saying, you know, doctor patient privilege. But it's

1360
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 1: been said that the doctor was so shaken by Bishop's

1361
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 1: crime that he quit his practice, which is can you

1362
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 1: imagine not spatting that for years, or having spotted it

1363
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 1: and not doubt anything about it?

1364
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 2: Like, that's horrible? What's worse? I think? Yeah? Uh yeah,

1365
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 2: not having done anything about it, like thinking that you

1366
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 2: were wrong or doubting yourself yeah or something.

1367
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:42,720
Speaker 1: Or just being like am I But after five years,

1368
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 1: I feel like five years of you just have to

1369
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:51,720
Speaker 1: be If you can manipulate a psychotherapist for five years,

1370
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 1: you're some fucking craziness.

1371
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, if he was a military man, I bet

1372
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 2: you he wasn't all that forthcoming. Isn't that kind of

1373
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 2: a personality trait of you're not really supposed to be

1374
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 2: that way in the military.

1375
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 1: Well that's funny that you say that, because I read

1376
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 1: something that said that if if you were in whatever

1377
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:09,640
Speaker 1: rank he was in and you were going to psychotherapy,

1378
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:12,679
Speaker 1: that was grounds for dismissal. Oh shit, So on top

1379
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 1: of that, he probably wasn't didn't also want to be like, yeah,

1380
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 1: and I want to runder my family, so like it

1381
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 1: couldn't even get out that he was in there.

1382
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 2: Whoa, So that's so fucked up. It's so fucked up.

1383
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:26,880
Speaker 2: Oh so getting help for being in like a conflict

1384
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 2: based business right where like you could have PTSD for

1385
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 2: whatever reason, you're not you cannot be in there.

1386
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 1: Or you're traveling the fucking world and your family's home

1387
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:40,160
Speaker 1: and there's it's rough at home, or you have money issues.

1388
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:42,599
Speaker 2: It can't be like that anymore. Or you got left

1389
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 2: at home between three and seven every goddamn day of

1390
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 2: the week, like you were just some sort.

1391
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:48,680
Speaker 1: Of and you had no idea what time your parents

1392
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 1: were coming home, and you were sick of peanut butter sandwiches.

1393
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:54,760
Speaker 1: You were needing so much toast that you felt so toast. God,

1394
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:56,679
Speaker 1: we ate a lot of toast. We ate so much toast,

1395
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 1: so much cheese toasted. This is one of my favorite things.

1396
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:01,160
Speaker 1: But if, of course, my brother would eat all the

1397
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 1: fucking cheese in the house, so it would be peanut.

1398
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 2: Butter toes we would do. Uh. My sister got really

1399
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 2: into making case das. But she wouldn't make me one

1400
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 2: that was you know, anything she could pull away, anything

1401
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 2: she could hold over me.

1402
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 1: Casey d at that point was a tortilla with a

1403
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 1: slice of American cheese in the microwave for a minute, Yes,

1404
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 1: and then you crunched it clothes. Yeah, she would get

1405
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:24,800
Speaker 1: get fancy and put it in a pan. Oh she

1406
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:27,760
Speaker 1: thinks she's fucking yeah, chucking Julia Child.

1407
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 2: She thought she was going for it, and I was like,

1408
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 2: clear the area. I'm trying to butter some crackers, like

1409
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 2: basically crackers. I love it stacking up buttered crackers and

1410
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 2: then drinking seven up and it's just based on a

1411
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 2: whole one in your take.

1412
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I have so many feelings. Yeah, right now,

1413
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 1: all right. So on March nineteenth, nineteen seventy six, a

1414
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:51,200
Speaker 1: grand jury indicts Bishop on five counts of first degree murder.

1415
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 1: But to this day, Karen Bishop has never been found.

1416
01:15:56,960 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 2: Whoa yep. So there's this photo.

1417
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 1: Of him from when he was young, but they all

1418
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 1: show and he looks a little bit like Lee Harvey

1419
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:04,200
Speaker 1: Oswald meets.

1420
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:05,640
Speaker 2: Joan Belushi if you can picture that.

1421
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 1: Oh, it's weird, Like you're kind of like he's kind

1422
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 1: of hot, but then he has this weird like smug,

1423
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:14,800
Speaker 1: like tight close smile that looks creepy since you know

1424
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 1: what he did. And then they made one of those

1425
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:19,280
Speaker 1: busts of him of like what he would look like

1426
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:21,880
Speaker 1: if he were older, and it's super creepy as well.

1427
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 1: And he I'm sure that he's Hugh Heffner, like it's Hugh.

1428
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:30,559
Speaker 1: It's so, it's Hugh bucking Heffner. He's the bust. You

1429
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:35,559
Speaker 1: can you pull that up. It's a William Bradford Bishop bust.

1430
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:37,599
Speaker 1: It's just a cover of Playboy magazine.

1431
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 2: Stephen, No one now h Hefner's picture. He just pulls

1432
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 2: that up. Uh, all right.

1433
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 1: So there have been three credible sightings of Bishop. One

1434
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:50,240
Speaker 1: was in July nineteen seventy eight. A Swedish woman who

1435
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 1: had worked with Bishop before the murders said she spotted him.

1436
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:58,320
Speaker 1: Steven's got it right, am I right? I mean, oh no, Luisa,

1437
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 1: it's so it looks like is it Franklin Angela. No,

1438
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 1: he's the guy that always plays like.

1439
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 2: A He's just like hey kid, hilarry right. Yes, he's

1440
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 2: missing exactly, like he's missing like the bathrobe. Yeah. And

1441
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 2: that's it. Yeah, he's like if Hugh Hevner had a

1442
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:19,559
Speaker 2: Trucker brother. Yeah, that's what that guy looks like.

1443
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 1: Cravy okayly ninety's any Swedish woman who had worked with

1444
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 1: him prior to the murders. She said she spotted him

1445
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:31,360
Speaker 1: twice in a public park in Stockholm, Sweden, when in

1446
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 1: a span of a week, and she stated that she

1447
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:37,680
Speaker 1: was absolutely certain that it was Bishop then. And this

1448
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 1: is interesting because it's all people who knew him, you know.

1449
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 1: So in July nineteen seventy nine, he was reported to

1450
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 1: have been seen by a former US State Department colleague

1451
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 1: in a restroom in Sorrento, Italy. The colleague greeted him

1452
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:54,879
Speaker 1: who had who said? And he said he was bearded.

1453
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 1: He had personally believed to be Bishop eyed eye, and

1454
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 1: he asked the man impulsively, Hey, you're rad Bishop, aren't you.

1455
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 1: The man panicked, suddenly responding in a distinctly American accent, saying,

1456
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 1: oh God no, and then he ran swiftly out of

1457
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:12,400
Speaker 1: the restroom and fled. But he started shaking and panicking

1458
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:16,639
Speaker 1: when he asked, this is all like kind of confirmed

1459
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:18,640
Speaker 1: that these could actually be sightings. It wasn't just like

1460
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 1: random sta like hokey bullshit on September nineteenth.

1461
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 2: It was a little it was kind of ian.

1462
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't on Solved Mysteries, but it was, you know,

1463
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:30,720
Speaker 1: all right on September nineteenth. I'm sure this was on

1464
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:34,680
Speaker 1: Solved Mysteries too. On September nineteenth, nineteen ninety four, in Basel, Switzerland,

1465
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:37,679
Speaker 1: a neighbor who had known a bishop and his family

1466
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 1: in Bethesda reports that she had seen Bishop from a

1467
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:44,639
Speaker 1: few feet away while on vacation.

1468
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 2: The neighbor described Bishop as.

1469
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:48,840
Speaker 1: Well groomed, so all people who knew him well enough

1470
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:51,800
Speaker 1: to like recognize him then, And I thought this was

1471
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:52,599
Speaker 1: so exciting.

1472
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 2: A John Doe, who was struck by a car while walking.

1473
01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 1: Down a highway in nineteen eighty one, who was a

1474
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 1: person who appeared to be homeless, ended up getting exhumed

1475
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:05,160
Speaker 1: after a local resident thought that the bust of Bishop

1476
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 1: looked like this dough and I fucking lost my line.

1477
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:11,120
Speaker 1: It looks so much like him that you are sure

1478
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 1: it's him, and it's fucking not. But I think they

1479
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:16,400
Speaker 1: fucked up the DNA test because it's fucking him.

1480
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 2: Wow. There's also, of course, been talk of Bishop being

1481
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:23,479
Speaker 2: a victim of the MK ultra mind control experienced by

1482
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 2: the CIA that went awry, causing him to kill his family,

1483
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 2: which is like, Okay, is that the right time frame?

1484
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:35,679
Speaker 2: The sixties seventies? Yeah, I guess so. Yah. I feel

1485
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 2: like they dosed a lot of people on acid back then, right,

1486
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 2: I think so. But that's so close to the eighties.

1487
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 2: I feel like it was shut down by then. But

1488
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:46,679
Speaker 2: I mean, look, if people theorize that it's because it's

1489
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:49,240
Speaker 2: it wasn't and also is a secret. I mean, Karen

1490
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 2: government only still going on. It's suis day. Yeah, Stephen

1491
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 2: is an MK ultra something. That's what it is.

1492
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 1: Totally what it is, you're like, And his mustache is

1493
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:04,599
Speaker 1: a fucking recording device. It's like, no, because no matter

1494
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:06,360
Speaker 1: how much we make fun of it, he won't shave it.

1495
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 1: So up in there he fucking sets the two hugest

1496
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 1: microphones up every time.

1497
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 2: But mustache is the recording device because they're all fake.

1498
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 1: You call, you should hear the ship, we say when

1499
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:19,439
Speaker 1: it's not recording, and the ship we actually make him

1500
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 1: edit out.

1501
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 2: That's like we are Russian operative spies. It's true. H Well,

1502
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:29,719
Speaker 2: I do love them. Kald Is, if you know, somebody

1503
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 2: was asking if something could get solved. Somebody was asking

1504
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:35,960
Speaker 2: us that the other day, like conversationally, and it's always

1505
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 2: like we always say like John Benet or blah blah

1506
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 2: blah whatever. But then just thinking about that, like I

1507
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 2: would love the real deal report on m kill, the

1508
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:46,639
Speaker 2: list of things that have happened because of it. Yeah,

1509
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:49,519
Speaker 2: that's good one like the real you know, there was

1510
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:51,559
Speaker 2: like the one guy that they the family's like, there's

1511
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:53,519
Speaker 2: no way he would have committed suicide, and it was

1512
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 2: like he jumped out of a window.

1513
01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:57,559
Speaker 1: Right, and there was I mean there's a million of those. Yeah,

1514
01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 1: and they're always like that would be good.

1515
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:02,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so fascinating.

1516
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:05,760
Speaker 1: It's also like it's easy though, you know what I mean,

1517
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:07,720
Speaker 1: Like it's one of those things where it's like, oh,

1518
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:08,679
Speaker 1: she was a runaway.

1519
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:10,080
Speaker 2: It's like, no, it's much more.

1520
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 1: It's much more simple than that or something yeah, or

1521
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:16,240
Speaker 1: that's simple okay, and it was blah blah blah. I

1522
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:18,680
Speaker 1: think it's more likely that he was depressed, he was

1523
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 1: also having financial trouble, and that he was a fucking dick.

1524
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 1: If he were still alive today, he would be eighty

1525
01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:26,800
Speaker 1: years old. Oh so he could still be alive. Yeah,

1526
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:31,120
Speaker 1: so everyone go go find Hugh Hoffner's creepy brother.

1527
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 2: So, god, that's interesting to be guilty of a crime

1528
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:37,679
Speaker 2: and run to Stockholm, Sweden and still run into someone

1529
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:39,720
Speaker 2: that you know, because like how annoying is that?

1530
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:40,360
Speaker 1: Right?

1531
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:43,720
Speaker 2: And because he was in the military, he probably went

1532
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:48,360
Speaker 2: to military ish places, right, Like when he places he

1533
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:50,960
Speaker 2: knew from having gone there before from for his job.

1534
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 1: You think he wouldn't though, because because then people would

1535
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:55,800
Speaker 1: recognize him there.

1536
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, of all the places you would up the list. Okay,

1537
01:21:58,240 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 2: this guy ran, where'd you go? He'd went to al

1538
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:03,839
Speaker 2: He went to Califulia. People go always go west instead

1539
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:05,599
Speaker 2: he went east, and then he went to a place

1540
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:09,800
Speaker 2: where like Stockholm, Sweden is just like nobody really you

1541
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:10,519
Speaker 2: would just blend.

1542
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:12,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of places you could like and

1543
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:14,679
Speaker 1: you know, it was the time when like you could

1544
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:17,760
Speaker 1: you didn't need a passport or you know, your name

1545
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:20,040
Speaker 1: didn't even have to be on the ticket. And yeah,

1546
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 1: and he had a week's start because they didn't a

1547
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:26,439
Speaker 1: week had headn't start, Yeah, because you know, they didn't

1548
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 1: identify the bodies until them. Yeah, he was all free

1549
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 1: and clear what a creep. He fucking he didn't just

1550
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 1: murder them and leave their bodies. He murdered them, drove

1551
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:39,800
Speaker 1: six hours away, dug a fucking shallow hole, and put

1552
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 1: the gasoline that he had bought that day on the

1553
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 1: bodies and lit them.

1554
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:47,960
Speaker 2: His mom, his high school sweetheart, and his three children.

1555
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 2: That's almost the same as John List. It's so much

1556
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:54,320
Speaker 2: like John List, except and not to say my guy

1557
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:57,120
Speaker 2: was better than your guy, but John List shot everybody

1558
01:22:57,160 --> 01:22:59,759
Speaker 2: in the back of that Nobody knew anything was happening.

1559
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 2: He just took him out from behind.

1560
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 1: I think he might have as well, if you're gonna

1561
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 1: back in, well, No, I think like yours has a

1562
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:10,599
Speaker 1: good I guess they both had good closures where it's

1563
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 1: like the.

1564
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 2: Money was in the ceiling the whole time. I know

1565
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 2: John Lyss No, but this one I'm saying it's the

1566
01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:19,200
Speaker 2: murder is so much more personal and awful and like,

1567
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:22,120
Speaker 2: you know, hammermarks ceiling type of shit. You're not like

1568
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:24,479
Speaker 2: trying to end it quick. Yeah, what the fuck?

1569
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:26,840
Speaker 1: But he waited till they were sleeping. He didn't come

1570
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:30,080
Speaker 1: home until they were sleep and the mom was his

1571
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:32,680
Speaker 1: mom was on a walk with the dog that he

1572
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:36,599
Speaker 1: that she do every night. It's just not You can't

1573
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:39,240
Speaker 1: find a lot of details about how it happened either,

1574
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 1: which is like, there's no like in this room, this

1575
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:43,559
Speaker 1: happened while his wife was cooking or whatever the fuck.

1576
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 2: Also, what was he like, just like if you were

1577
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:50,800
Speaker 2: in the cafeteria at the same time, was do you

1578
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:54,600
Speaker 2: think he was like clearly one of those like a

1579
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:57,160
Speaker 2: closed fist of a person. Do you think it was

1580
01:23:57,320 --> 01:23:59,840
Speaker 2: all like deep still rutters run deep and he was

1581
01:23:59,880 --> 01:24:01,960
Speaker 2: just like chill and nothing was going on.

1582
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:04,360
Speaker 1: There was not a single thing that I saw that

1583
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:07,400
Speaker 1: was like and you always see this. Everyone said he

1584
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:09,480
Speaker 1: was such a great guy, and everyone's.

1585
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 2: Like, so I don't think he was. He could have

1586
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:12,880
Speaker 2: been tightly wound.

1587
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think people weren't. Like we were so surprised, right,

1588
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:19,360
Speaker 1: No one said that, Yeah, as far as I could tell. Yeah,

1589
01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:23,479
Speaker 1: so that is family Annihilator William Bradford Bishop.

1590
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 2: Wow, Bill Bishop. Yeah, that's like I've never heard of

1591
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:31,880
Speaker 2: that guy, and it's truly awful. Yeah. Also, once you

1592
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:34,760
Speaker 2: kill them, you're gonna run anyway. Why do you have

1593
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:38,320
Speaker 2: to burn the bodies? You got that head start, But

1594
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:40,720
Speaker 2: like that's just one chore you don't have to do.

1595
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:44,240
Speaker 2: Like you you've killed your whole family. They're probably not

1596
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:46,680
Speaker 2: gonna get fine found for a week. But I mean,

1597
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 2: like either way, it's it's not like you killed one

1598
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:51,479
Speaker 2: member of your family and everyone else doesn't know what's

1599
01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:53,960
Speaker 2: happening or something. It's like you've taken out an entire

1600
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 2: family unit. People are gonna catch on no matter what

1601
01:24:57,200 --> 01:25:01,040
Speaker 2: the state of their corpses is. Yeah, it's so fucked up.

1602
01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:02,000
Speaker 2: I mean, it's too much.

1603
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 1: It's pretty amazing that they were able to actually identify

1604
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:11,000
Speaker 1: the bodies, because if he hadn't left that shovel behind,

1605
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:13,599
Speaker 1: they would have never gone. They would have never talked

1606
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 1: to Bethesda, Maryland, because they identified it as one of

1607
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:21,000
Speaker 1: two hardware stores in Bethesda, and it was hundreds of

1608
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:24,280
Speaker 1: miles away, right he said, six hours away or something.

1609
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 1: So if he hadn't kind of fucked up and left

1610
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 1: a shovel behind, they would have never been traced to

1611
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 1: each other, which is probably his eye. Yeah, maybe he

1612
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 1: was probably his I don't think he wanted to get caught. No,

1613
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 1: you know, burn bodies. You specifically don't want to get

1614
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:42,360
Speaker 1: caught if you burned bodies. It's just he did everything

1615
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 1: the worst way possible.

1616
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:45,640
Speaker 2: He really did, and he was never fucking found and

1617
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:49,400
Speaker 2: which is so disappointing. Yeah, but he got that military edge.

1618
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:55,800
Speaker 2: He's he's like a Born esque. He's a Jason Bourne type.

1619
01:25:56,120 --> 01:26:02,840
Speaker 2: Bad born. Yeah, bad born. And we're back. Are there

1620
01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 2: any updates for this case? I do have some updates.

1621
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:09,160
Speaker 1: The authorities are still looking for William Bradford Bishop, which

1622
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:09,799
Speaker 1: is wild.

1623
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:10,599
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1624
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty one, a North Carolina woman named Kathy

1625
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:17,080
Speaker 1: Gilcrest made headlines when her twenty three and meters test

1626
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:20,719
Speaker 1: led her to believe that Bishop was her biological father.

1627
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 1: Can you even imagine?

1628
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:24,000
Speaker 2: Wow?

1629
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 1: Kathy was born before Bishop's murdered children were born. She

1630
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:31,479
Speaker 1: was adopted as a baby and never knew her biological parents.

1631
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:36,280
Speaker 1: The FBI later confirmed that their DNA matched. I mean,

1632
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:40,479
Speaker 1: like so FBI agents have wondered if Bishop's hidden pass

1633
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:43,840
Speaker 1: could play into his motive for the murders, which remains elusive,

1634
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:47,360
Speaker 1: and expressed hope that Kathy's discovery would renew interest in

1635
01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:49,120
Speaker 1: this case and drum up leads.

1636
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:54,200
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the wildest kind of like futuristic twist

1637
01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:56,680
Speaker 2: for this where totally you're just trying to find out

1638
01:26:56,680 --> 01:26:58,880
Speaker 2: if you have cousins in the next town over right,

1639
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:03,679
Speaker 2: and it's like us, what, your father is a family annihilator? Yeah,

1640
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:05,400
Speaker 2: that's a oh.

1641
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:07,719
Speaker 1: Maybe I didn't want to know everything kind of moment,

1642
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 1: I would think, But.

1643
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:12,840
Speaker 2: That kind of weird coincidence or whatever they're calling it

1644
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:15,360
Speaker 2: in the press. If that's what it takes to renew

1645
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:17,559
Speaker 2: interest and try to figure it out. If they can

1646
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:20,320
Speaker 2: find this guy, then great, definitely. Now we're going to

1647
01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:22,439
Speaker 2: let you guys listen to the recurring theme that we

1648
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:24,920
Speaker 2: were doing back in twenty seventeen of good things of

1649
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:25,360
Speaker 2: the week.

1650
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:35,760
Speaker 1: Hey, one positive thing would happens, I'll get out of there.

1651
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:37,880
Speaker 2: What about.

1652
01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:42,679
Speaker 1: So we try to end this with something positive because

1653
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:44,720
Speaker 1: we don't want to end on a family annihilator.

1654
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:47,840
Speaker 2: A thing that makes us happy, A thing that we like, Yeah,

1655
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 2: a thing that we've noticed lately that's fun.

1656
01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:55,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just shook your head terrifyingly at me. Mine

1657
01:27:56,040 --> 01:27:58,840
Speaker 1: is that because three o'clock to seven o'clock is so

1658
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:00,759
Speaker 1: hard for what the fuck?

1659
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:06,680
Speaker 2: I hate neighbors? Well, that was creepy. They just moved in,

1660
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:11,519
Speaker 2: so they're like putting putting ships up and shit podcasting. Also,

1661
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:14,679
Speaker 2: it just was so light. It was really creepy. Yeah,

1662
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 2: they're trying to be quiet. Okay, so oh yeah, okay,

1663
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:20,840
Speaker 2: so from three to seven. So it's hard for me.

1664
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:22,400
Speaker 2: So the thing I've been doing this past week to

1665
01:28:22,479 --> 01:28:24,840
Speaker 2: try to like make it positive to me. Scare the

1666
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:27,000
Speaker 2: ship up hi a little girl.

1667
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:31,000
Speaker 1: The thing I've been laying out at the pool oh,

1668
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 1: in the sun, and it's been fucking phenomenal. Oh that's good,

1669
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:39,599
Speaker 1: making me so happy and so like, like I feel

1670
01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:40,439
Speaker 1: like I'm in paradise.

1671
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:43,640
Speaker 2: That's really good. I wonder if you had maybe a

1672
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:46,280
Speaker 2: little vitamin D deficiency and you need a little sunlight,

1673
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:51,400
Speaker 2: you little what do they call it weather depression or yeah, definitely,

1674
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:54,360
Speaker 2: And it's just this thing of like, Okay, here's celebrating

1675
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:57,560
Speaker 2: life in a different way than alcohol and charcotery.

1676
01:28:57,880 --> 01:29:00,759
Speaker 1: Yes, which man still sounds so much better, but whatever.

1677
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:04,680
Speaker 1: Uh well, it's definitely faster, but it's so relaxing when

1678
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:08,000
Speaker 1: you're outside. I've been actually sitting outside at my house too, Hice.

1679
01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:11,760
Speaker 1: It's just so relaxing and it's been mine Okay, I

1680
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:15,320
Speaker 1: guess mine will be. I walked my dogs in my

1681
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:17,880
Speaker 1: neighbor the neighborhood kind of near me, which is nice.

1682
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:22,519
Speaker 1: Last night and it was as if all the jasmine

1683
01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:24,920
Speaker 1: in the whole neighborhood bloomed at one time. I know.

1684
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:28,560
Speaker 2: It was crazy. It's walking around a neighborhood and it

1685
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:31,640
Speaker 2: smelled like the inside of a Flora's shop. Was one

1686
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:32,840
Speaker 2: of the weirdest things of all times.

1687
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:35,599
Speaker 1: There's this moment in la and it's such a quick

1688
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:38,880
Speaker 1: moment where all the jasmine blooms, and it only happens

1689
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:41,200
Speaker 1: for like a very short time during the year, and

1690
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:42,640
Speaker 1: it's fucking fabulous.

1691
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:46,639
Speaker 2: It's crazy. And when you walk like I was coming

1692
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:51,200
Speaker 2: home from something and from my from like the lift

1693
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:53,680
Speaker 2: to the front door, I was the smell was so

1694
01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:55,679
Speaker 2: beautiful and strong. I was like, I have to walk

1695
01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:57,599
Speaker 2: my dogs right now, like I need to be out

1696
01:29:57,680 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 2: in this air. I love that. It's very cool. Good one.

1697
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:03,799
Speaker 2: And also because I've been in my house doing nothing

1698
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:06,400
Speaker 2: but like binge watching TV and cleaning the walls and

1699
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:10,280
Speaker 2: wiping down walls. The difference it makes when your walls

1700
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:10,639
Speaker 2: are clean.

1701
01:30:10,720 --> 01:30:12,679
Speaker 1: I just highly recommend I don't think about it until

1702
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:14,439
Speaker 1: someone else does it, that you pay them to do

1703
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:15,320
Speaker 1: it and they're like, oh.

1704
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:17,679
Speaker 2: But also when you get one of those magic erasers.

1705
01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:20,120
Speaker 2: They really do work. I know, I love it. What's it?

1706
01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:22,439
Speaker 2: A mister Clean thing? Yeah? Or you can get a

1707
01:30:22,479 --> 01:30:25,360
Speaker 2: target brand. It's like a little bleach sponge. It's a

1708
01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:28,200
Speaker 2: white sponge that when you touch it to things, it

1709
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:31,519
Speaker 2: just makes marks and nicks and shitty looking things go away.

1710
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:34,400
Speaker 2: I bet it's made of asbestos. It I hold it

1711
01:30:34,439 --> 01:30:36,559
Speaker 2: in my hand for like hours at a time. Let

1712
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:39,479
Speaker 2: all of this is leeching into my system. You know what,

1713
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:41,320
Speaker 2: maybe I'll clean it out a little bit.

1714
01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:43,040
Speaker 1: I mean the days are going to come before you

1715
01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:45,760
Speaker 1: can die of asbestos poisoning, probably, right.

1716
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:48,479
Speaker 2: What if the magic eraser is the new green juice

1717
01:30:48,920 --> 01:30:52,360
Speaker 2: and that's the way to detox is just a magic erase?

1718
01:30:52,439 --> 01:31:00,639
Speaker 2: Both hands? Yeah, every morning, I'm just picturing that. Okay,

1719
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:01,280
Speaker 2: we're back.

1720
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:04,240
Speaker 1: I would love to go back to what are my

1721
01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 1: thirty seven year old Georgia and tell her to get

1722
01:31:06,200 --> 01:31:07,120
Speaker 1: the fuck out of the sun.

1723
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:11,639
Speaker 2: What is she doing why, Georgia. No, I'm just gonna

1724
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:13,679
Speaker 2: lay out for four hours and see if it helps

1725
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:14,400
Speaker 2: me at anyway.

1726
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:16,360
Speaker 1: I don't put any emotion on because you want to

1727
01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:17,320
Speaker 1: get the rays and the Bible.

1728
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:17,759
Speaker 2: Georgia.

1729
01:31:18,439 --> 01:31:22,160
Speaker 1: Stop it, you guys listen to your future self. Do

1730
01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:26,040
Speaker 1: not lay out in the sun for long periods of time,

1731
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:26,679
Speaker 1: at least.

1732
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:29,639
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean not every day. You gotta really,

1733
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:33,160
Speaker 2: you gotta watch that for sure, honey. Also, it's too

1734
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:35,240
Speaker 2: bad we couldn't have done some sort of integration with

1735
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:38,320
Speaker 2: the Magic Eraser people, because I really I think I

1736
01:31:38,439 --> 01:31:40,760
Speaker 2: sold a couple with that the way I endorse that thing.

1737
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:42,160
Speaker 2: Hey man, it's not too late.

1738
01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:46,360
Speaker 1: I fucking love a Magic Erase afternoon of just slowly

1739
01:31:46,439 --> 01:31:49,800
Speaker 1: walking around the house with a book on my headphones.

1740
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:53,519
Speaker 1: You just you notice so many things you never notice.

1741
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:59,080
Speaker 2: It's so relaxing. Check your door jam, your door jams

1742
01:31:59,160 --> 01:32:03,120
Speaker 2: and near knob of doors. It's wild how gross those areas.

1743
01:32:03,160 --> 01:32:08,400
Speaker 2: Get Check your light switches. It's oh the baseboards. I mean,

1744
01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:12,960
Speaker 2: I mean, you're discussed. You are disgusting, and so are we.

1745
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:18,080
Speaker 2: Magic Eraser. That's our that's our promo. Yeah, that's right. Okay,

1746
01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:20,280
Speaker 2: So now that we're here at the end, we're going

1747
01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:22,920
Speaker 2: to rename this episode. Although I'm going to make an

1748
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:25,000
Speaker 2: argument this is one of the rare ones where I'm like,

1749
01:32:25,240 --> 01:32:27,160
Speaker 2: this is the best name we could possibly come up with.

1750
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:29,840
Speaker 2: I don't know if we get better than jazz. It jazz,

1751
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:34,639
Speaker 2: it's pretty good. Thousand Island would work like animal style. Yeah,

1752
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:38,640
Speaker 2: some clothes and island on it, okay. Also saying you

1753
01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:41,320
Speaker 2: can't drop a line in confession. You have to know

1754
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:43,760
Speaker 2: all your pairs. You can't. You can't screw up your

1755
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:47,599
Speaker 2: lines in confession. You have to know every single Hail Mary,

1756
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:50,880
Speaker 2: every single our father. That seems too hard. It's really hard.

1757
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:53,280
Speaker 2: It was very stressful in like third grade, knowing you

1758
01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:55,880
Speaker 2: had to memorize that word for word, at least in

1759
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:56,920
Speaker 2: like Hebrew prayers.

1760
01:32:56,920 --> 01:32:59,120
Speaker 1: You can fake it because you can just you can

1761
01:32:59,200 --> 01:32:59,840
Speaker 1: fake heep.

1762
01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:03,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, you like make turn the accent on a little stronger.

1763
01:33:03,240 --> 01:33:05,680
Speaker 1: Well, if you're all singing it together, you can kind

1764
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:09,160
Speaker 1: of just say gibberish and no one knows that you

1765
01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:10,720
Speaker 1: don't know how to say the cottish.

1766
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:13,360
Speaker 2: So you're just reale barbing your way through the cottish.

1767
01:33:13,720 --> 01:33:16,560
Speaker 2: That's wrong. I'm telling I don't go to hell, so

1768
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:17,000
Speaker 2: it's fine.

1769
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 1: That's right.

1770
01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:21,640
Speaker 2: We can also call it he took an oath. You know,

1771
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:27,200
Speaker 2: that's a good one. Barber oath. That's right, the barber oath. Yeah, well,

1772
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:29,040
Speaker 2: that's it. We've given you all the options that you're

1773
01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:30,720
Speaker 2: ever going to get and you're going to pick jazz

1774
01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:32,559
Speaker 2: it anyway because it's the best title.

1775
01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:36,000
Speaker 1: And we're going to let Karen and Georgia from twenty

1776
01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:40,479
Speaker 1: seventeen and Elvis and me me say me say our goodbyes.

1777
01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:45,920
Speaker 2: I think I can get me me to me out

1778
01:33:45,960 --> 01:33:50,639
Speaker 2: as wait. Thanks for listening, Thank you so much for listening.

1779
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:54,120
Speaker 2: You guys are the best. We appreciate you your support

1780
01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:57,080
Speaker 2: and having fun with us, and we want you to

1781
01:33:57,120 --> 01:33:59,280
Speaker 2: stay sexy and don't get murdered.

1782
01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:01,080
Speaker 3: Me what the keep.

1783
01:34:02,479 --> 01:34:10,519
Speaker 2: Made me say it? Maybe one cookie? Look at me me?

1784
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:17,200
Speaker 3: She come on, Yes, I talked over You could kind

1785
01:34:17,200 --> 01:34:24,120
Speaker 3: of publish it. Elis know Elis you want to cookie?

1786
01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:27,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how it's done.

1787
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:28,080
Speaker 1: Bye.