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Speaker 1: I don't you never know stories of things we simply

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Speaker 1: don't know the answer too. Hey, guys, welcome to another

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Speaker 1: episode of Thinking Sideways the podcast. I am Devin, joined

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Speaker 1: as always by Joe and Steve. We're gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: a mystery today, I'm like most days. We're going to

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Speaker 1: talk about the story of Andrew Gosden, who's missing teenager.

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Speaker 1: Well he's not a teenager anymore. But um, and before

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Speaker 1: we get too or into it, because I'm really good

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Speaker 1: at forgetting uh, this was a suggestion from I think

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Speaker 1: Katrina or Katerina. I'm sorry, I don't know which one

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Speaker 1: it is, but thanks for suggesting it, both of them,

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Speaker 1: both both of them. Yeah, And I know we've gotten

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Speaker 1: suggestions for this in between the time that she suggested it,

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Speaker 1: but I didn't write any other names down. Apparently. I know.

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Speaker 1: Andrew Gosden was a normal fourteen year old guy. He

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Speaker 1: was a very bright young man, described as quite the

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Speaker 1: math genius or quiet math genius, whichever. Yeah, he had

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Speaker 1: a hundred percent attendance record for school except for this

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Speaker 1: And he was the kind of kid who would leave

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Speaker 1: a note um pretty much if he just like went

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Speaker 1: around the corner. I don't worry either of you guys.

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Speaker 1: Neither of you guys were kids like that, right, No.

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Speaker 1: I was a kid like that for my parents. If

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Speaker 1: I left for any reason, yeah, I had to, but

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Speaker 1: I usually had somebody at home so it was easy. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: He was also really into heavy metal. And that's the

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Speaker 1: description you'll hear about him. That's it. Yeah, That's one

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Speaker 1: of the frustrating things about this case is I don't

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Speaker 1: really feel like I know much about Andrew. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's there's a very patent or patent what's the word.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to say, very pat description of him that

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Speaker 1: And then you think that would have no idea, it

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Speaker 1: a coal So if I sound a bit stuffy or weird,

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Speaker 1: Back to Andrew. After his parents left for work, Andrew

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Speaker 1: I think he was just much better than the kids

428
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 1: around here. So so I again, that's another thing I

429
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 1: want to bring in because the descriptions have have evolved

430
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 1: over time I've watched. Yeah, I'll buy it. Uh. One

431
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,400
Speaker 1: of the other things you'll see a lot is that

432
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 1: he definitely wasn't being bullied. But that comes from his parents.

433
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 1: And I'm not a hundred percent sure that I that

434
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,880
Speaker 1: you can trust what parents say, not because I think

435
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 1: that they are maliciously saying no. He definitely wasn't being bullied,

436
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 1: but because I think that parents probably just might not know. Yeah,

437
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 1: he probably wouldn't go home and tell his parents and stuff.

438
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 1: He walked up to his locker and the bully walks

439
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,400
Speaker 1: by and shoves him in every class period there, he's

440
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 1: not going to tell him that it's embarrassing. I saw

441
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 1: that one one bulletin board out there, whe people were

442
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 1: discussing that there was a guy who claimed that he

443
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,199
Speaker 1: went to the same school and remember it was like

444
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 1: a year a year ahead or behind, he said, and

445
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: he said he was not aware of actually any any

446
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 1: any bullying. He said that he said that Andrew was

447
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 1: not one of the cool kids, so he did catch

448
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 1: a little bit of crap, but not but he said

449
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 1: it wasn't really bad. Well, but you never know how

450
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: kids are gonna react to stuff like that. You know,

451
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: it's really easy as a teenager too, as a preteen

452
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: or a teenager to build things like that really out

453
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: of proportion. All then, and you know, that's not to

454
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: say that that's what was happening. It's not to say

455
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: that he was absolutely being bullied. But also it's to

456
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,439
Speaker 1: say that take it with a grain of salt. When

457
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 1: his parents say absolutely, there's no chance that he was

458
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: even remotely being bullied, because I don't know. He probably

459
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: was a little bit every Yeah, Andrew had a very

460
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 1: very heavy prescription in his glasses as though, like like

461
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: he was almost blind without his glasses. Yeah, so he

462
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: needed his glasses or at least contacts, but he would

463
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 1: have had to have gotten contacts because he never had

464
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 1: contacts in his life. He also had a very unique ear,

465
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: did you guys, You guys looked to pick. It's very interesting.

466
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: They describe it as a double ridge on his right ear,

467
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: and I can't really describe it. I don't know how

468
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,719
Speaker 1: to describe it either. I just look it up. Literally,

469
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 1: if you google double ridge ear, pictures of his ear

470
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,239
Speaker 1: will come up first, the first one. How often does

471
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: that happen? It's incredibly rare. Yeah, it's really really really rare,

472
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: And a lot of people seem to leave that out

473
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 1: in the tellings and descriptions of him. So people think, well,

474
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: he was a fourteen year old boy, he could disappear

475
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 1: to anywhere, not mentioning that there's there's very distinct feature

476
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: on him. Ears are also really hard to identify by

477
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 1: so like you can see that on somebody twenty yards away.

478
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: Well he didn't he wear his hair kind of long. Yeah,

479
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: I just mean it'd be hard for him to be

480
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: carrying on a totally new life with nobody having noticed.

481
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 1: Oh hey, this guy has a weird ear. Oh I've

482
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: heard there was a boy that was missing that has

483
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: a weird ear too. It's worth mentioning. Yeah, it's definitely unique. Yeah.

484
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: So you know, if you have a spot a guy,

485
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: how old would he be? An idea about you would

486
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: be three. Yeah. If you spot a guy with a

487
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: funny air anywhere in the world, because you knows, you

488
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: could be anywhere if he's still alive, let us know,

489
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 1: don't tell the police, don't tell us, tell us not

490
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: the place. Yeah. Next up in the weirdness category, a

491
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 1: ticket from Doncaster to London isn't cheap right now. It's

492
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: anywhere from sixty to a hundred pounds from what I

493
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 1: could gather is likely about ten cheaper. I think that's

494
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 1: what the kind of inflation has been calculated at. But

495
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: still that's a lot of money. And uh, because of

496
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 1: the time that Andrew was on the train, it would

497
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 1: have been considered peak hours. So they actually they call

498
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: it super peak hours or super off peak hours. That's

499
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: the thing. I went to the train website and I

500
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: like really thought that there was a troll thing happening

501
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: because that's super off peak, and I was like, what

502
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: do you mean super off peak? Got it cool? But

503
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: so they it would have been the most expensive tickets basically, yeah,

504
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: which means that he would have not had a whole

505
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: lot of money laughed over or when he hit London.

506
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: If it was a ninety pound ticket, then pounds which

507
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: doesn't go far in London. And one last thing in

508
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: the weirdness category worth a quick mention is that I've

509
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: read vague things that suggest Andrew might have had family

510
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: living in London, maybe a grandmother, maybe someone else. The

511
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: family has made vague mention of some family. The actual

512
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: close family has made some vague mention of maybe some

513
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: family that lives in London, but never explicitly said anything.

514
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: Why haven't they said anything. It's a good question. Yeah, yeah,

515
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 1: one would assume that they have ruled out their involvement

516
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: at all, so they just don't think it's worth dragging

517
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: these people in to the whole mass. But I don't know.

518
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 1: It's a good question, and one that I don't really

519
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: have a good answer for so, Yeah, Andrews still gone, Andrew,

520
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: if you're listening, Yeah, yeah, what's that phone number again? Yeah? Yeah?

521
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: Sign us an email? Yeah. Uh. Want to get into theories,

522
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: I think let's do so. To start off with the theories,

523
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 1: along with the seamless timeline of Andrew getting to London,

524
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: everyone agrees that Andrew went willingly or semi willingly to

525
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: want London. No, yeah, there was. He didn't look like

526
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,479
Speaker 1: he was unaddressed, there's no Yeah, and there's no sense

527
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: of that being suspicious at all. The reasons why he

528
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 1: went to London maybe maybe suspicious, but that seems to

529
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: be a thing that everyone agrees on. I mentioned that

530
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: Andrew was into metal, right, is one of those things. Yeah,

531
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: his parents describe him as goth. I don't. I don't.

532
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: I wouldn't consider from what I've seen, I wouldn't consider

533
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: him goth. I would just consider him to be a

534
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: fan of heavy metal. But his parents were super Christians,

535
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: so they may be a little confused. I mean, he

536
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: seemed like a metal head to me. Not Yeah, I

537
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: would agree with that. So I've only seen like one

538
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: or two picks. A couple of pictures of him and

539
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: he yeah, it doesn't look like a yeah not to

540
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: me either, but hey, there you go. We can't discriminate

541
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: against goths. It's true, yeah, I as I understand it.

542
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: The metal slash goth community in London is pretty close knit.

543
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: So I've seen a lot of stuff online with people

544
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: saying that, um, you could probably ask pretty much anyone

545
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: in that community if they had ever heard of a

546
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: youngish boy trying to join that community. But again, I

547
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: don't think that's I don't think that's probably the case.

548
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: I think that's probably an overexaggeration of how close knit

549
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: any group of people are. And we actually, um looked

550
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: into a lot of the bands that we're playing. We

551
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: did our research. Surprise, um yeah, talk about boring clicking

552
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: through the show listings. I know for real, even on

553
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: the way back Machine, it was like, oh, these websites

554
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: didn't exist, okay, fine, got to go back all the

555
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: way fine. Actually, and some of this came from the

556
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: suggest of one of our listeners named Anthony, so um

557
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,479
Speaker 1: I want to thank him for his help in this matter.

558
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: There's this band that's called six six. It's not sixth

559
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: it's six Like how Yeah, it's um S I K

560
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: capital t H. I'm gonna call him six They are

561
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: a progressive metal rock band that's often called a math

562
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: core group, and math core is a particular kind of

563
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: hardcore metal that is also part of the math rock genre,

564
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: both math core, math core, and math rock. I'm having

565
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: a hard time with my th h S right now.

566
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Uh as math rock. Yeah, they make use

567
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: of unusual time signatures in their song composition. I have

568
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: a pretty cool quote here. One critic who I'm gonna

569
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: quote describes the style of music as quote dynamic, violent, discordant, technical, brutal,

570
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: off kilter, no rules, mixture of hardcore metal, prague, math rock, grind,

571
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: and jazz. Unquote. Well so take all music, throw it

572
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: in a blender and turn on with a fork. Yes,

573
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: that's it. Um. I Actually I listened to some of

574
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: sixth six music and I did not care for it,

575
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: maybe because I'm sick. It's it's definitely it's a very distinct,

576
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: silent music. I've never been a real metal I think

577
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: I probably would have liked it when I was a teenager.

578
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: I you know again, my part of it is maybe

579
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: because like my head hurts really bad, so I grindy

580
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: loud music is maybe not the best in my brain

581
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: right now, but I definitely can see the appeal of it,

582
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: particularly to somebody who was into metal. And then I

583
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not into math like at all, So

584
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a thing that factors into

585
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: people who like math core or math rock, if that

586
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: if if having an understanding of math gives you a

587
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: heightened appreciation for that music. I don't know. I've never

588
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: had a math or musical aptitude, so I can't say,

589
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: and I don't know I think that. I don't know

590
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: either way, but it's it's an interesting extra facet to this.

591
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: I'll listen to it. I've got pretty good math appitude actually,

592
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: so listen to it and see anyway. Uh. Sixth is

593
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: from Warford Thank you in Hertfordshire. They formed in May

594
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: of two thousand seven. They announced that two of the

595
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: vocalists would be leaving the group after the conclusion of

596
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: their summer two thousand seven tour, and conveniently, the final

597
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: show of this tour was at the Carling Academy in London,

598
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: which is a two club. Yeah, it's an O two club.

599
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: One of the like twenty in London, um and it

600
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: was on you guessed it September fourteen, two thousand and seven.

601
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: The Carling Academy is less than a mile from King's

602
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: Cross station, which means it would have been a twenty

603
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: minute or less walk. Uh so, pretty walkable. Really. The

604
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: tickets for this venue range, but it's it's pretty cheap actually,

605
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: uh even now, yeah, even now, tickets for a similar

606
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: sixth show, because they actually reunited in two thousand thirteen,

607
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: so they had a show there in two thousand fourteen,

608
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: and and the tickets for that were less than twenty pounds,

609
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: so even and then you know, I looked at a

610
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: lot of the other ones, and it seems like there

611
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,959
Speaker 1: wasn't a single ticket that went for more than twenty

612
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: pounds there, even with the service charging charge and all

613
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: that stuff. So I'm willing to say that it was

614
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: it was really cheap. So he would have certainly had

615
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: money for this ticket if if some were available, and

616
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: then a bunch of money left over for beer. Yeah,

617
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: as a twelve year old, the fourteen year old boy

618
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: who looks like he's twelve, Yeah, he's work out. Uh so,

619
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: And actually that's the thing that I run into the

620
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: most here is that concert venues like this typically have

621
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: age restrictions on them, so that you know, maybe it's

622
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: an eighteen and over, maybe it's twenty one and over,

623
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: or maybe it's an all ages, but they certainly don't

624
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 1: admit all ages just no matter what, it's all ages

625
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: with an adult. Eight is the youngest that can go

626
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 1: into that venue. But they have to have and it's

627
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: from I think it was eight to fourteen, has to

628
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: be has to have a an adult with interesting because

629
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: they looked up their policies on it. So he couldn't

630
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 1: have just gotten in by showing up with twenty pounds

631
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: at the door. Yeah. Well, and particularly because like so

632
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: the and then there are there are other extra age

633
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: restrictions on certain shows. So every show I've ever seen,

634
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: because I looked at a lot of different venues for

635
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: six concerts and it's all eighteen and over or fourteen

636
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: and over, fourteen to eighteen with an adult. Well, of

637
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 1: course you might have actually not a adult in London.

638
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: Well so yeah, well we have just befriended somebody in line.

639
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: So the other thing that I run into here is

640
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: that this show is actually a rescheduled show. I don't

641
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 1: know when it was originally scheduled for, but they had

642
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: not originally intended to play on that night at that venue.

643
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: How far in advance, I don't know. I never saw that.

644
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 1: I didn't either, Yeah, but I think that's an interesting

645
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: little thing to throw in there as well. But it

646
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 1: is reasonable to assume that anybody at that time would

647
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: have thought that this was sixth last show. Ever after

648
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: that you presume that's their last, even though musicians always

649
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: say that's it, I quit until next year. Yeah, I

650
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: can see the motivation there, if you really like these

651
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: guys a lot. Yeah. Well, and there were there were

652
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: a number of other concerts that have been suggested in

653
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: London on that night. I mean, it's not as though

654
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: the music scene is lacking in London. All of the

655
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: other I would say that this concert in particular is

656
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: the best if he was going to a concert. All

657
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: the other ones that I saw were like all rock

658
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: that we're also twenty minute car right away from King's

659
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: Cross station or But bear in mind he wasn't completely

660
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: and wholly dedicated to metal. I mean, his dad talks

661
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: about the fact that he took him to a Muse concert,

662
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: not to this pretty metal. You. I don't consider Muse

663
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: that metal at all. Really. Yeah, They're they're very tame

664
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: compared to like Slipknot and some of those guys. So

665
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: I wouldn't I wouldn't say that he was only into

666
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: the hardcore stuff. He was a boy who liked what

667
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: he liked. Yeah, But I also guess I wouldn't. I

668
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: would say that Muses solidly like a rock band. Yeah,

669
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: But there's also most of the other stuff that was

670
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: found was like alternative rock, which is like adult soft

671
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: you know, like cold Play is alternative rock, right, So

672
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: that's not that didn't seem like it was his scene

673
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: as much. Anywhere hearner to get to this I listened

674
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: to this music, it seemed like it was totally the

675
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: kind of music that he was into. He thought it

676
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: was their last show. It was really really convenient from

677
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: King's Cross. Because that's the other thing too, write is

678
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: that maybe, like there are train stations that are closer

679
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: to the other venues that he could have gotten tickets to,

680
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: he could have stayed on the train longer to get

681
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,439
Speaker 1: off more conveniently, whereas this one King's Cross was the

682
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 1: most convenient station to that particular venue. Yeah, although he

683
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: also had hours like half a day, yeah, because yeah,

684
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: it wasn't until seven or something like that, maybe even nine.

685
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: I don't have the actual time, but that's when those

686
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: shows usually start, which is what boggles me when it

687
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 1: comes to the he was going to a show theory,

688
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: because obviously he traveled at what was it, super high

689
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: peaked time. Okay, well, if you know the show is

690
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: not going to be until seven o'clock at night and

691
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: it's yeah, I go dink around in town for a

692
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: couple of hours, well you might have had something to

693
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: do in London before. That's true. He also I don't

694
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: know if I don't know what his parents jobs entailed,

695
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: or his sister for instance, or if he thought. You know,

696
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: if you're a kid who is literally never bumpd off school, right,

697
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: you don't know your first day skipping class, you're going

698
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: to think I Am going to get caught. You don't know.

699
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: You might run in your parents, you might run into

700
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: your parents friends, you might run into another kid who's

701
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: going to tell. So it would make sense to me

702
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: that he would be trying to get out of town

703
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: as fast as possible because it's way less likely that

704
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: somebody in London is going to say, oh, hey, aren't

705
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: you supposed to be in school? So I remember the

706
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: first time. I mean I remember the first time I

707
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: skipped school, and I was terrified. I really thought I

708
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: was going to get caught. And then you know, it

709
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: gets easier as you do it more, and then you

710
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: just keep doing it more and more and more. Not

711
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: that we're advocating so that that would make sense to me?

712
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: Is that maybe he because he don't seem like the

713
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: kind of kid who might have been a little nervous

714
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: about something like that. Um, so I guess that would

715
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: be a reason why he would try to leave as

716
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: early as possible. Yeah, I think that The thing I

717
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: like about this series that explains a lot. I think

718
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: what happened is he was befriended by the band. They

719
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: went back to their room later and party, and they

720
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 1: were doing huge lines of blow and then it's and

721
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: they'd never done that before. His heart gave out, and

722
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: so the band had the body. Probably wrote a song

723
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: about it. If you listen to this, there's probably one

724
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: song that's got some coded messages about how they disposed

725
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: of the body. Probably Okay, I'm just kid, that's Joe's

726
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: Scooby Doos theory. So it's possible that Andrew was on

727
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: a chat and met somebody online. It's possible that he

728
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: was a part of a forum that was a fan

729
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 1: club for six or some other band, or just you know,

730
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: metal enthusiasts in general, and you know, maybe he planned

731
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 1: a meeting from there. Maybe he met some guys online

732
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: or some people online and they said, yeah, man, this

733
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: show is happening. I had tickets for you. Want to

734
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: come meet me in London? And he was like, yeah, absolutely,

735
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: I'll come meet you guys in London, even though that's

736
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: like super nerve wracking and totally out of character. I'm

737
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: gonna come meet you guys. So he came early, he

738
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 1: met them, they all went to the concert venue together.

739
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: Maybe it turns out that the people he was supposed

740
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: to meet, or the person he was supposed to meet

741
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: were actually not who how they represented themselves, which is

742
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 1: in a different theory, but you know, it would also

743
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: explain why he didn't buy a return ticket, and that

744
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: they're the two questions for me on the return ticket

745
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: are the fifty pence ticket? Was it open ended or

746
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: did you have to pick a time? Right? Right? But

747
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: did you have to pick a time because they have

748
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 1: they have both of those as the turn. So if

749
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: you if you get the super peak, is that what

750
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 1: it is? Super peak is not and you get your

751
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 1: return ticket. The return ticket is fifty p if it's

752
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: not an open ended time, right, such more expensive when

753
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: you just say I'm going to get on a train

754
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: and they're they're that same day, right, And so that

755
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: to me makes me think that he didn't really know

756
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: when he was going to be coming home, which would

757
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: corroborate going to a concert. You don't know, last train

758
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: left London at eleven, yeah, so but you don't maybe

759
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: you don't really know when you're gonna want to go home,

760
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: or maybe since you're meeting some friends there, maybe they say,

761
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 1: oh yeah, and my my friend can. He's got a car,

762
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: so he can. He's going to be headed your way,

763
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 1: so he'll drive you back your way, And so you think,

764
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: why why waste crazy amount of money for the later ticket,

765
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: or you know, maybe the fifty pence one was yeah,

766
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: if you return at five o'clock, it's fifty pence, and

767
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 1: he was like, all the concert won't have even started

768
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: by then. So to me, that helps to corroborate that

769
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 1: story a little bit as an idea that specific that

770
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: really just addresses why he would have gone to London.

771
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: It doesn't really address why he never came back from London.

772
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: But I think it's a strong possibility of why he

773
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 1: wanted to London. I can see the I was going

774
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: to get a ride from somebody, but it's such a

775
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: long drive. It's just I mean, if if he left

776
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: late enough that he couldn't catch the last train, well,

777
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: but he it's possible that he could have. But I'm

778
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: just That's what I'm saying, is that so he would

779
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: have had to have buy an open ended ticket as

780
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 1: a return ticket, which would have been really really expensive,

781
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: probably more expensive than just going and buying the ticket

782
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: when you're trying to return, because then it's an at

783
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: time ticket. And then that the or that the fifty

784
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 1: pence return ticket was for a specific time That wasn't,

785
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: but it would, but it could have been that that

786
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: didn't apply to the eleven thirty train. It only applied

787
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 1: to the five o'clock train, so it would have been

788
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: way more expensive anyway to get that later train. No,

789
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: I can see how it could have been another he

790
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: could have taken the other half of his money, so

791
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: that helps to explain why he would have not gone

792
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: the return ticket as well, because it may have just

793
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: been cheaper and in the end to walk up to

794
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: the kiosk and say, okay, I'm ready to go instead

795
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: of buying it pre buying it. So I guess we

796
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: should talk about maybe why he didn't back. I have

797
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: some ideas. One of the theories is that he was

798
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: lurned to London by a stranger. Yeah, it's possible that

799
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 1: while Andrew seemed to have been a smart kid, at

800
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: least at math, he could have just been pretty naive,

801
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 1: like most fourteen year olds are, especially in two thousand seven,

802
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: you don't necessarily think I mean, it was still a

803
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,479
Speaker 1: thing like there were bad people online, but that wasn't

804
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: a thing that you really thought about as much. I didn't,

805
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: and I was much older. I'm I am much older

806
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: than Andrew, and you know, even in two thousands and seven,

807
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: I wasn't necessarily thinking, oh, they are bad people online

808
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: and I don't want to meet them, you know. So

809
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,760
Speaker 1: that's part of it. Although I never like met anybody

810
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: that I met online in real life because I'm not dumb,

811
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,280
Speaker 1: But even as an adult at that time, I didn't

812
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: believe anything that people said online because it was smart.

813
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: You knew it was bored, right, But when you're fourteen,

814
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem as bull Oh and it might you know,

815
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 1: it might be too that you know, Andre was smart

816
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: enough to like, you know, want to meet this guy

817
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: in a public place. Or maybe he didn't even know

818
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: it was a guy. Maybe he thought it was a

819
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: woman girl, gender bending, somebody torturing themselves as actually that's

820
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: super comment. Yeah, and then and then and he gets

821
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,439
Speaker 1: the appointed place and there's no girl. That's some guy.

822
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: He says, oh, yeah, you know, I'm a I'm a

823
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: older brother. I'm not supposed to take you to meet her,

824
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 1: you know. And then yeah, yeah, yeah, so I would

825
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: I would classify this as the predator theory that some

826
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: online predator of some kind misrepresented who they were and

827
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: learned him to London for any reason. It could have

828
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:42,919
Speaker 1: been to come to a concert, it could have been

829
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: just hey, come visit me in London, or you know,

830
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: people think, oh, he wanted a new life, so maybe

831
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: somebody said, okay, I can help you with a new life.

832
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 1: The one I don't think we'll talk about new life

833
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: in a minute. Yeah, I was going to say, is

834
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: this whole? So I I kept trying to figure out

835
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: how he could have been if somebody did indeed lure

836
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,439
Speaker 1: him away. Okay, well they looked at the computer and

837
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: there was nothing on there. I know that. You you know,

838
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: you you kind of believe that he may have been

839
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: able to private brows, but it would be possible, but

840
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 1: I also don't think it would have it's likely, but

841
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 1: you know what, But you know what I really wonder

842
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 1: about because I've never heard any mention of it being

843
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 1: looked into. You know, he had an Xbox at home, right.

844
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: They do talk about the Xbox Live chatting, and I

845
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: wonder if he was talking to somebody because Xbox Live

846
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: now has the actual text chat function, but that didn't

847
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: come into effect till two thousand and eight, so it

848
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: would have all been voice. But I just wonder if

849
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: anybody looked at what games was he playing? Hey, can

850
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 1: you tell us who was in the game at that time?

851
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,720
Speaker 1: Because he could have had an extend built an extended

852
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 1: relationship with somebody in that in that world and got

853
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,919
Speaker 1: talked to you that way and then got the same

854
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: is true for like if he I don't know if

855
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: he was like a Wow kid, like a World of

856
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: Warcraft kid. I don't know if he liked online games

857
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 1: like that, but those all existed too, and you chat

858
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: with people at that point as well, and that's not

859
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: necessarily logged. So I think that's a really good suggestion

860
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 1: as well, although I don't. I just think that it's

861
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: probably not possible to look up that it's too late now. Well,

862
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: I mean, i'd think even at the time, it probably

863
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been possible, just because of the huge volume

864
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: of people that you know what, big data loves data.

865
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: I bet you that Microsoft is logging the crap out

866
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 1: of that stuff and probably had the records for a while,

867
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 1: you know what. I would say, Let's just you know,

868
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,280
Speaker 1: they would have had it for months, if not years.

869
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: It could have been pulled. I bet you if somebody said,

870
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: I have went to gone to the judge and I

871
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: have this order that says Microsoft give me this data,

872
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 1: Microsoft would went here. It is similarly, Similarly, one would

873
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: assume that, you know, the CCTV would have been able

874
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: to be pulled. But hey, yeah, I know, I think

875
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: it might very well be that his parents and the police,

876
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: you know, didn't really, you know, we're involved in that

877
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: sort of stuff, and it's a game, it's a video game.

878
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: Was just playing the Nintendo thing exactly. But yeah, so

879
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 1: that's one way you could have, like, you know, like

880
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: it's been lured to London by a purv, you know.

881
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: And that's just a question of theories. Are is what

882
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: happened to him afterwards? You know? Of course everybody everybody

883
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: thinks that well, he was the PERV, did his pervy

884
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: stuff and then murdered him. Although my for alternative theories,

885
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: I would say that maybe he's just locked in a

886
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: basement somewhere and maybe well maybe will be discovered a

887
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 1: live someday, although I kind of doubt. I hate to

888
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: say that. That is like one of the most optimistic theory.

889
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: In a basement, it happens, and then these people sometimes

890
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: people escape and find out about it. Yeah, yeah, with

891
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: the women in l A. Is that the one last

892
00:47:56,239 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 1: year or the year before? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it happens.

893
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: Not so, but it does. Yeah, and he'll have one

894
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: he does escape. If he does, he'll have a very

895
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 1: really interesting story to tell, I'm sure. But in another

896
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: possibility that occurred to me again is this outlandish, that's possible.

897
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: As he met he meets this guy, Uh, they go

898
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,720
Speaker 1: for to go to Starbucks for a type of coffee.

899
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: The guy rufi's him and not to have sex with them,

900
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 1: but just to just to like smuggle them out of

901
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: the country and sell him into slavery. So that's another

902
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: very optimistic theory possible. And one of the questions I

903
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 1: have for this is, uh, and I asked you already

904
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 1: about this, and but I don't. I don't know if

905
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 1: the police, when they are looking at missing children and

906
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 1: looking for them, if they checked the child pornography sites

907
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I don't want that job. No,

908
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: I wouldn't need it. Well, know what I was thinking

909
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,439
Speaker 1: that you kind of hope somebody is checking him, right, Well,

910
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:52,720
Speaker 1: it would seem like the thing to do at least

911
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: send pictures of these missing kids to the sites and

912
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 1: just say, hey, you know, would you post these pictures

913
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: and tell your users if they see any any porn

914
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: with these children? And I don't I don't know if

915
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: there's that much oversight in the those kind of ye

916
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: kind of if the police know who runs it, to

917
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 1: send that information to them, they're busting down. Yeah, that's

918
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 1: that's that's that's kind of the the obvious thing there. Yeah,

919
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: but they could still crowdsource that. They can say, hey,

920
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: pervs so for this stuff and let us know. Yeah. Uh,

921
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: just as a point of interest, I guess they did

922
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: search the Thames Thames thank you. I can't say that

923
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: word because it's not spelled the right way. Everything they do.

924
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 1: They did search the reference. You're welcome, We're just kidding.

925
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: They did search the river and they didn't never find

926
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 1: any remains of Andrew. So he's probably in there, probably not,

927
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: but there's lots of other places to put a body.

928
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: Next theory is that um Andrew wanted to start any life. Now,

929
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: why would Andrew, fourteen year old, relatively seeming relatively happy,

930
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 1: want to start a new life. Well, you know, one

931
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: theory that I was thinking about, I have no idea.

932
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: I was and I was wondering if maybe he was gay.

933
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like his parents would understand. They are

934
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: strongly religious. Yeah, you know, my I think he probably

935
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: wouldn't have a reason to want to run away at

936
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: start new life. But as as we stated, his parents

937
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 1: were very heavily Christian, and you know, they described him

938
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 1: as goth. That doesn't mean that they were going to

939
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: be intolerant, certainly does I don't want to I don't

940
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: want to come across the yeah, exactly. I think that

941
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 1: it sounds to me like his parents were kind of tolerant.

942
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: Like the sound like they do seem to be genuine

943
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: They do seem to really genuinely love and miss him

944
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: on the website that they run. They run a website

945
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 1: and they have a letter to him, and it's, you know,

946
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: very moving. But you know, I don't know if I

947
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 1: really want to say this or not. But as cynical

948
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: as it sounds, it's easy to say things like that

949
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: to your kid after they're gone and I and that

950
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: isn't to make a presumption that they weren't loving and

951
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: open and caring, but it is to say that as

952
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 1: a teenager, it's very often easy to interpret what your

953
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: parents are saying and doing as intolerant, or even if

954
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: they aren't intolerant, just to assume, you know, if your

955
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: parents are constantly saying, oh, you know, I can't believe

956
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 1: that this person is gay, I don't know how I

957
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 1: would deal with that. You're gonna say, oh, my god,

958
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: I could never be gay, regardless of the fact of

959
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: if you came out to them and they would actually say,

960
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, we love you so much. Of course

961
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: you know we'll accept you. And again, this is not

962
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: too I've never seen anything that has said that his

963
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: parents were intolerant in any way. But I also know

964
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: that most of the information we have comes from his parents.

965
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: Um And again, you know, I just I hesitate to

966
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: say that it's easy because that sounds really horrible and

967
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 1: cynical and off And I understand that, and please don't

968
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 1: write me letters because I already know how horrible and

969
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: off colcle sounds. But I just want to point out

970
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: that very curated information, it is very curate information, and

971
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: it is it is that's when you say those things,

972
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: is oh my gosh, we never meant to hurt you.

973
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: Come back. But again, that's not to disperse the family,

974
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: because as far as I can tell, they are a wonderful,

975
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: loving the indication that what we're guessing about is even real, no, no, no,

976
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: very genuine and amazing and really just had something horrible

977
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 1: happen in their family, And I don't want to cause

978
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: them any extra pain. But I also do want to

979
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 1: mention that on the other hand, about the gay running

980
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: away because he's gay thing, But would argue against that

981
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: is he's only fourteen, he doesn't really uh and and

982
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: one place I heard he was actually thirteen. His birthday

983
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,800
Speaker 1: was coming up. Oh no, wait, hang on, I'm getting

984
00:52:53,800 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: my unsolved mysteries mixed up. That's the murdering in India. Yeah, okay,

985
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: that he was fourteen, he didn't really need to decide

986
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: the whole gay thing. I mean, he may have totally

987
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: know when he was gay, if he was gay, but

988
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: you know, he could wait till he was eighteen and

989
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 1: they go after college and I don't know it's self

990
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: to not I mean, that's that seems like a thing.

991
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: I mean, like a lot I know a lot of

992
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: gay people who say, like, I've known my whole life

993
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: and like, have you know, been actively gay for as

994
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: long as they've been alive basically, so you know, again,

995
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 1: that's kind of like asking somebody to repress part of

996
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 1: themselves just to stay in their house, which I guess

997
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: some people do, but some people don't want to do.

998
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,800
Speaker 1: But again, it's it's hard to tell with him. Another

999
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: fact you'll see, um that's turn around is I guess

1000
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: mildly interesting I don't know how valid is, but we're

1001
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: going to just throw it out there anyway. It's reported

1002
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,720
Speaker 1: that Andrew's favorite TV show was The Fall and Rise

1003
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 1: of Reginald Parent, which is a series. It's a TV

1004
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: series that follows the middle aged man who fakes his

1005
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,919
Speaker 1: own death to start a new life. Um, but I've

1006
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: read a lot of synopsis of this series and I

1007
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 1: actually don't think it pertains to this case, like at all.

1008
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: Do you know when when does this show will come out? Well,

1009
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 1: the show originally aired in like the seventies, six to

1010
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: seventy nine is when it ran, But then it was

1011
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 1: released on DVD actually like in two thousand and six.

1012
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: But that is so weird for his favorite TV show

1013
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: that he identifies with to be this random TV show

1014
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: from thirty years prior suddenly re released that happens to

1015
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: be about somebody who fixed their own death and goes

1016
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: to start new life. Yeah, it is weird. It's weird.

1017
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, maybe his dad liked it,

1018
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: you know, I think that I think that's where this

1019
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: comes from his He and his dad and he said

1020
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: this is great, son, And he said, yeah, Dad, I

1021
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 1: really like it. This is my favorite, whether he was

1022
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: honestly saying that or looking at his dad rolling his

1023
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: eyes going it's my favorite. Yeah. Here's the here's the

1024
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: thing about running away to start a new life. Is

1025
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: that pretty quick? You're fourteen? I don't I don't even

1026
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 1: know what the labor laws are like in Britain. What

1027
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 1: if he goes to London try to get a job

1028
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: and he can't be because yeah, and so you know,

1029
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: pretty soon you're going to run out of money and

1030
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: it's gonna be you're gonna be calling your folks and say, hey,

1031
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 1: can you come to London and get me? Yeah. Well

1032
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 1: that's that's why there's this vague mention of him. Somebody said,

1033
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: oh yeah, his grandma. I don't know where this information

1034
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 1: came from, so I don't know if I mean, I

1035
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 1: think it's probably totally made up. But somebody said, oh yeah,

1036
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 1: his grandma lived in London and he ran away to

1037
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: live with her, or he went to visit her and

1038
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:30,240
Speaker 1: she was ill. Or I don't know why that gets

1039
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,399
Speaker 1: brought up because it's just in forums, and I don't

1040
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 1: know where people are getting that information from, but people

1041
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 1: are going to get it from somewhere. It's also suggested that,

1042
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: you know, maybe his parents just didn't know he was

1043
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: being bullied, so he ran away to start in your

1044
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 1: life because he was being bullied, which is dumb. And

1045
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: then you know, some other people said, well, he was

1046
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: really bored at school, so he didn't want to go

1047
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 1: to school anymore, so he ran away to start a

1048
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 1: new life because he didn't want to go to school.

1049
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 1: But I think that's silly because if you're smart enough

1050
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: to not to be bored in school, you say to

1051
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: your parents, I'm bored in school. Bumped me up a grade.

1052
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: You don't say, oh, I'm bored in school, So I

1053
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 1: think I better go start a new life so I

1054
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: can prove to everyone that I'm smarter than them. And

1055
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: this is where this, this part of not knowing anything

1056
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 1: about him comes becomes very frustrating to me because I

1057
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: don't know anything about his demeanor. I don't know. I

1058
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: wish I knew, Like, did you have an ego with that?

1059
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 1: Well not even was he created enough to come up

1060
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 1: with that? Like did he just think he was smarter

1061
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 1: than everyone else? Did he think he could pull the

1062
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: wool over everyone's eyes? Or did was he just you know,

1063
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 1: a normal smart teenager who was kind of bored or

1064
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 1: was he just rebellious or you know, I don't know

1065
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: anything about him other than that boilerplate of information, and

1066
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:43,439
Speaker 1: I just that's so frustrating to me because I feel

1067
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 1: like I could more solidly throw my weight behind one

1068
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: of these theories if I understood more about him, but

1069
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: there's nothing. Yeah. Yeah, I think that if he was

1070
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: bored at school and then he won a way to

1071
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: start a new life, he probably would have very shortly

1072
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,919
Speaker 1: found himself really bored at his new job a star

1073
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: Bucks and gone home. Yeah, I think so too, or

1074
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: at least contacted his parents at some point, because there,

1075
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: you know, every every time they do anything, they say, oh,

1076
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: and Andrew, if you're hearing this, we love you. Just

1077
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: just let us know you're okay. You don't even have

1078
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,959
Speaker 1: to come home, And they do a ton a lot,

1079
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: they really do. They are they are still very actively

1080
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: like they're very committed to the year. Really. Yeah, well,

1081
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: I hope they get him back some day, So I

1082
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: I guess for me, my strongest theory would be that

1083
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 1: he went to London for a concert and an accident happened.

1084
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: Something happened, like he met some friends or met some

1085
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: people he had met online and something happened and he

1086
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 1: died and they tried to cover it up. And the

1087
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: only reason that I say that is because it's the

1088
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: added little bit. Then in two thousand eight, in November

1089
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: of two thousand eight, UM, a guy showed up at

1090
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 1: a police station and said he had information about Andrew

1091
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: and the person who was there said, oh, we're not

1092
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: open yet. Come back now. I heard that, and he

1093
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: never came. Bagine, what is it? What is the police

1094
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 1: station not open? Well, apparently this one wasn't everything. They

1095
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: roll up the sidewalks in Britain at eight o'clock at night,

1096
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: kid you not, It's amazing. We're so we're very spoiled

1097
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: in this country. I mean, I think set free things

1098
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: are probably open, like they're probably always police on duty,

1099
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean that every single office is open

1100
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: at all times. Maybe the people at the counter that

1101
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: are there to take your information. I heard. Another version

1102
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: of this was that he showed up saying he had

1103
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: information and then by the time they found some policemen

1104
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: to come down and talk to him that he would

1105
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: he had left. That's another version that's similar, very similar versions.

1106
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: But he could have been a crank. Yeah, he could

1107
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: have been a crank. But also he could have been

1108
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: somebody who knew something and felt guilty and was coming

1109
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: forward and then lost his nerve because he thought I'm

1110
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: gonna get blamed for this. But again, that's all. That's

1111
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: that's the likeliest thing I can come up with, because

1112
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: there's just no information about this thing. Do you guys

1113
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: have anything else you want to add? I would just

1114
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: say is that if you are the you know, I suspect.

1115
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 1: My strongest belief is that he did meet a perv

1116
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: online and you know, you know, did his thing and

1117
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: then murdered him. And so if you happen to be

1118
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: one of our listeners and you're that perv, stop listening now,

1119
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: please ye never actually actually you can, yeah, I don't

1120
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: listen anymore after this episode. But send us an email.

1121
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: I mean you can do it an honestly, get a

1122
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: trash mail account and send us an email and let

1123
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: us know what happened. And just so just so we

1124
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: could tell his parents and they could have a little closure, okay,

1125
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: or just tell his parents. Oh yes, send us, send

1126
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 1: the parents. Yeah, don't do that us. That's a good

1127
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: that's a good plan actually, now that think about it, Yeah,

1128
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 1: I personally think that he used his remaining money, he

1129
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: bought another ticket, he rode through the chunnel, he went

1130
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: to France, and he's now working at euro Disney. You know,

1131
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 1: they probably would have hired him. Act, they would have

1132
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: hired him. He could have been one of the munchkins

1133
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: a number of the ride as a fourteen year old boy.

1134
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: And that is the happiest ending that I could come

1135
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: up with for this freaking stant That's a good end.

1136
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: Although the Channel tickets are really expensive that they are,

1137
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 1: they are really really expensive. I don't care. He works

1138
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: at euro Disney and he's okay, filled it happy and

1139
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: he has lots of little mice around him, all right,

1140
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 1: So he's basically just Cinderella. But yeah, I am pro

1141
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: what's that? What do you think is that? You're thinking

1142
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 1: that too? Yes, now I'm thinking that too. I don't

1143
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:33,439
Speaker 1: I don't think that's it. I think that's the best

1144
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: case scenarios. He's he's chained up in a basement somewhere

1145
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: and he's going to escape next week or so. I

1146
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: don't think Disney is the best Well that's yeah, okay,

1147
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 1: the best theory Disney Disney. Oh maybe he just he

1148
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 1: just wants to live on a farm somewhere like Lassie.

1149
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 1: Ye apply. Well, if you have theories about this, about this,

1150
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: or any other story or suggestions, or you want to

1151
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1152
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:10,640
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1153
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,440
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1154
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,360
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1155
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 1: show or anything, because that's really hard to figure out

1156
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: what you're talking about if it's just there. Yeah, it's

1157
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 1: really hard to figure out where I have them? Yeah, yeah,

1158
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 1: uh see. There's also links to some of our research

1159
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:30,920
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1160
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: to us on iTunes. If you are, give us uh

1161
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1162
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,200
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1163
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1164
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:45,160
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1165
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1166
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1167
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1169
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1170
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1171
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1172
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:13,200
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1173
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1174
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:20,040
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1179
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:41,400
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1180
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:43,600
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1181
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1182
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 1: I read, I read tons of websites and I don't

1183
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Speaker 1: have I don't have to. Tip ure is literally the

1184
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: thing that Joe says every week. Yeah. Yeah, all of

1185
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 1: that having been said, I think we're going to get

1186
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 1: out of here. I guess. So another mystery solved soon.

1187
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Speaker 1: Guys trained a cat chow