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Speaker 1: All right, let's get to Zoron, shall we.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, it ties together because obviously, you know, his

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Speaker 2: campaign built on affordability and finding this you know, sort

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Speaker 2: of rockstar status in New York City coming out I

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Speaker 2: know where to win the primary overwhelmingly. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if you guys remember we did the live stream that night.

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Speaker 2: They were in New York and I, Emily and I

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Speaker 2: were you know here, Griffin and Ryan were in New

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Speaker 2: York and Emily and I were here remotely covering it.

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Speaker 2: And when we went into we're like there's no way

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Speaker 2: we find out because it's ranked choice voting. There's no

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Speaker 2: way we actually know tonight who won. Like make we

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Speaker 2: might know that Guomo won, but we're not going to

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Speaker 2: know whether or not. No wrong, wrong. So On beat

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Speaker 2: the polls by like twenty points and totally remade the electorate,

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Speaker 2: really energize young people who you know, were inspired by

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Speaker 2: what he had going on there. Okay, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: get out there and vote in a way that I

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Speaker 2: never have. So typically in New York City, when you

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Speaker 2: win the Democratic primary, that's it. It's a wrap, it's over,

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Speaker 2: because it's a very heavily blue Democratic city. Not so

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Speaker 2: much this time around. You had Cuomo, who allegedly is

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Speaker 2: a Democrat, who decided, now I'm not going to actually

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Speaker 2: just like be a gracious loser here and say well done,

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Speaker 2: and I'll support you for the general. Now he's going

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Speaker 2: to run again. And Eric Adams, the corrupt and disgraced

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Speaker 2: current mayor, who also is allegedly a Democrat, He's still

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Speaker 2: in the race. And then you have the Republican who,

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Speaker 2: in my opinion, is the most like, dignified and respectable

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Speaker 2: of the lot, Curtis Leewah I agree who is you know,

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Speaker 2: who is running because he's a Republican. Who's like, I'm

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Speaker 2: going to run as a Republican. That's what I've always

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Speaker 2: planned to do. So, you know, the billionaire class got

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Speaker 2: to get and thought, oh, we can't have this guy

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Speaker 2: like putting in public grocery stores or letting people, you know,

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Speaker 2: absolute disaster. And now the billionaire in chief, Donald Trump,

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Speaker 2: is getting directly involved in the race, trying to clear

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Speaker 2: the field for Andrew Cuomo so that it would be

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Speaker 2: a head to head Cuomo versus Zora. Now, by the way,

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Speaker 2: the Poles say Zorn still probably wins in that circumstance,

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Speaker 2: but Cuomo would have more of a shot than he does.

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Speaker 2: Right now, so we can put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: This is reporting for the New York Times, which has

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Speaker 2: really they've done the best reporting about some of these

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Speaker 2: inner workings. And basically the scoop they get here is

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Speaker 2: that Trump advisors have directly discussed a job for Eric

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Speaker 2: Adams if he quits the mayoral race. Adams has been

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Speaker 2: kind of squarely when he's been asked about this. He

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Speaker 2: refuses to say outright whether he's committed to staying in

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Speaker 2: the race the whole time. And let's be clear, he's

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Speaker 2: pulling very poorly. He's in like sing you know, single

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Speaker 2: him in the city. They think he's been terrible. You know,

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Speaker 2: he was indicted he did this corrupt deal with the

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Speaker 2: Trump administration in a pears. He denies that, but whatever

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Speaker 2: in order to get out of those charges. But New

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Speaker 2: Yorkers are not happy with him as mayor of the city,

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Speaker 2: as the lowest approval rating of any New York City

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Speaker 2: and then the article says they also were looking at

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Speaker 2: a job for Curtis Sliwa, then you just have Andrew

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Speaker 2: Cuomo versus Zoron Momtani. Now Sleiwa I saw just this morning.

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Speaker 2: This doesn't surprise me because he said something similar in

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Speaker 2: I'm here for New York. I don't want a job

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Speaker 2: in the Trump administration. This is what I'm doing, period,

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Speaker 2: pretty wild Sogert to see Trump trying to get directly

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Speaker 2: And meanwhile Cuomo behind the scenes, first of all, is

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Speaker 2: and it is telling business members and the communit oh,

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Speaker 2: just shows you how much of his posturing is some

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Speaker 3: Well, it doesn't make a lot of sense because if

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Speaker 3: Zorn winning and being a disaster would be good for

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Speaker 3: wouldn't be good for Trump, so you would actually want

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Speaker 3: him to win. It's like an accelerationist philosophy. You're like, no,

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Speaker 3: actually you want somebody to do. If you think somebody's

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Speaker 3: gonna be bad, then you should let them, you know,

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Speaker 3: win the election. So in one sense it doesn't really

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Speaker 3: make sense. But I think, on the other hand, with

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Speaker 3: the Trump obsession, how much of this is that he's

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Speaker 3: from New York and lived in New York forever and

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Speaker 3: just doesn't like Zoron and wants to personally get involved.

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Speaker 3: That partially could be part of it, But politically it

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Speaker 3: makes no sense because if you come in and ham

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Speaker 3: fistedly help Cuomo, New York Democrats hate Trump, even if

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Speaker 3: they might be open to Cuomo, why would you, as Coomo,

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Speaker 1: Right, That's exactly the tascit or that's exactly.

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Speaker 3: The line that Zoron is picking up correctly, by the way,

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Speaker 3: is you're like, hey, Trump is helping this guy. I'm

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Speaker 3: You don't want nothing to do with Donald Trump. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's the part I just don't understand.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Trump is I think in a sense

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Speaker 2: he's like he's kind of jealous of Zoron because he

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Speaker 2: has this deep hole, this deep hole in himself that

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Speaker 2: he was never like embraced and loved in New York

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Speaker 2: high society and as an Alner Burrow guy. And I

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Speaker 2: think there's still this sort of like deep well of

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Speaker 2: guy's being treated like a rocks. Are people momming him

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Speaker 2: I think there is a level of just like personal

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Speaker 2: him in the same way. But you're right, Zoran. Obviously

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Speaker 2: the Cooma people did not want this story to get out, right.

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Speaker 2: They don't want the Trump association to be out there

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Speaker 2: in the public. But now it is. And to your point,

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Speaker 2: Zoron is quite obviously because it's the most obvious thing

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Speaker 2: to do in political history, seizing on that to strengthen

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Speaker 2: his own hand. Let's go ahead and play D two.

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Speaker 4: I think there are many ethical issues with this news.

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Speaker 4: We are talking about a mayor who was facing an

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Speaker 4: indictment that was then dropped by this administration to ensure

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Speaker 4: greater collaboration with the immigration directives of this administration, now

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Speaker 4: being considered for a job offer such that he would

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Speaker 4: drop out of a race to represent this city because

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Speaker 4: of the fact that they believe that would increase the

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Speaker 4: odds of anyone being able to defeat me.

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Speaker 5: Those are incredible ethical issues, and none of this has

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Speaker 5: to do with New Yorkers. None of it has to

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Speaker 5: do with the welfare of this city. It all has

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Speaker 5: to do with power. It all has to do with

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Speaker 5: the audacity that we have here to believe that we

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Speaker 5: could pick our own mayor that we have to believe

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Speaker 5: that the most pressing issues are not how to ensure

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Speaker 5: that Donald Trump continues to have an ambassador in City Hall,

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Speaker 5: but that New Yorkers can actually afford the place that

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Speaker 5: they call home.

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Speaker 2: He's got a great line about Quoma. He says, Quota

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Speaker 2: stay in the race because he doesn't understand that no

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Speaker 2: means no. It's his line on that. But yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think Zoron is very well. Even let's say Eric

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Speaker 2: Adams drops out and takes this position. Even let's imagine

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Speaker 2: this LEEWA goes back on its word, which I genuinely

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Speaker 2: don't think you will, and it's like, Okay, I'm going

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Speaker 2: to drop onto the race. Number One. You've got a

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Speaker 2: mechanical issue because the ballots are like being printed right now,

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Speaker 2: and so even to get them off the ballot, I

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Speaker 2: don't even know if it's possible at this point. I

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Speaker 2: still think based on the pulling that I've seen, Zoron

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Speaker 2: wins even if it's a head to head against Andrew Cuomo.

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Speaker 2: It's not just Republicans though, that are very upset about

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Speaker 2: Zoron and his success in New York City. You still

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Speaker 2: have Democrats who are like, like, it's very perplexing to

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Speaker 2: who are still upset with him, who still I want

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Speaker 2: to endorse him, including Hakeem Jeffries, including Chuck Schumer. Where

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Speaker 2: the writing is so clearly on the wall. And by

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Speaker 2: the way, this is who your voters chose, right, Hikaeme Jeffries.

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Speaker 2: Zoron won your district by twelve points. Okay, so maybe

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Speaker 2: you should be talking to him about getting some advice

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Speaker 2: about how to fight and how your position yourself, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: This is a New York Democratic Congressman Tom Swazi saying

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Speaker 2: he doesn't even want Zoron in the same party as him.

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Speaker 2: This is D four. Let's take a listen, Zo Ran

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Speaker 2: Mamdani and other Democratic Socialist should create their own party

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Speaker 2: because I don't want that in my party. It's unbelievable

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Speaker 2: that this guy, I don't know if you are very

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Speaker 2: familiar with him, Sager, so he represents this I think

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Speaker 2: Long Island District in New York. He ran against Kathy

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Speaker 2: Hogel in the Democratic primary for governor and got walloped

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Speaker 2: by her. So it's not like he's some political phenom.

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Speaker 2: You know, if you look at who's winning young men

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Speaker 2: who has the highest level of popularity in New York,

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Speaker 2: Tom Swazi is not on that list. Zoron certainly is.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't know though, at the same time I kind

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Speaker 3: of agree with him, only in the sense of I

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Speaker 3: would like to see more political parties because yeah, and

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Speaker 3: that's kind of where you know, he is the one

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Speaker 3: he's in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he would really get destroyed.

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Speaker 1: I totally agree.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's more though that you know, in the big

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Speaker 3: tent parties. Part of the reason nothing gets done in

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Speaker 3: Washington is because a lot of the big tents don't

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Speaker 3: actually agree with each.

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Speaker 1: Other at all.

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Speaker 3: Primaries are very useful for this purpose because you can

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Speaker 3: eventually take over a party.

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Speaker 1: This is on a functional basis.

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Speaker 3: But he's not wrong, like you know, that guy is

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Speaker 3: basically a Republican right in a lot of senses, or at.

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Speaker 2: Least in the Labels Party right gottheim should be the Republicans.

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Speaker 1: There really should be parties like that.

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Speaker 3: We should be in there right and then it can

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Speaker 3: be for we can have like the French system or

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Speaker 1: So we've got one David Rojas standing by. Let's get

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Speaker 2: Very happy to be joined this morning by one David Rojas,

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Speaker 2: a journalist with a great substack. You guys should all

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Speaker 2: check out. You're going to love the name too. It's

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Speaker 2: called social democracy with populist characteristics. Great to see you one.

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Speaker 7: Thanks for having me on, guys.

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Speaker 2: So there are many things we could discuss with you,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I like to, you know, give people

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Speaker 7: They're not the bloods in the crypts. They're not MS thirteen.

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Speaker 7: Like there are gangs that use tattoos as like markers

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Speaker 6: Similarly, they have been known to deal with drugs at

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Speaker 7: It's a similar thing the War on Terror.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, in lace less something has changed.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and you know, like Rubio has changed his story.

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Speaker 6: He said first that the boat was going to Trinidad,

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Speaker 7: Too, So yeah, you know, there's a lot of holes

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Speaker 6: There's also a question about, you know, the number of

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Speaker 3: so we're dealing already with a not even tertiary it's

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Speaker 6: I mean you never know, but thankfully you know, the

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Speaker 6: And actually I think that the timing of because Rubio

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Speaker 7: We might do this, you know, in or near Mexico.

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Speaker 8: I watched it live. We knew exactly who was in

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Speaker 9: We knew exactly what they were doing, and we knew

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Speaker 1: We're stealing the border.

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Speaker 9: But President Trump is willing to go on offense in

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Speaker 9: and they are gathering in the region, and so you want.

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Speaker 9: And so those eleven drug traffickers are no longer with US,

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, uh, it's just like the War on Terror.

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Speaker 6: And you know, the genius, the despicable genius of this

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Speaker 7: And I mean the eleven.

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Speaker 7: I think, you know, Emily said this yesterday.

435
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Speaker 6: Like their theory now is that, you know, Maduro is

436
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Speaker 6: head of the so called Cartel of the Suns, which

437
00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,439
Speaker 6: is kind of an informal supposed to cartel with a

438
00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:03,840
Speaker 6: development military actually pre dates cho Vismo and it's kind

439
00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,080
Speaker 6: of just like a you know, an informal term. And

440
00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:11,040
Speaker 6: so that through the carteld of the Suns, the Venezuelan

441
00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:15,080
Speaker 6: military slash Maduro are really the head of the Nandaragua,

442
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,480
Speaker 6: which is insane. I mean, don't get me wrong, Maduro

443
00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,800
Speaker 6: is horrific. He's a horrific dictator, and Venezuela is a

444
00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,959
Speaker 6: mafia state. But I mean, you know, we're just like

445
00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,080
Speaker 6: words of lost meaning in the way, like we're trying

446
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:27,680
Speaker 6: to go about this.

447
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well and talk a little bit more about Venezuela

448
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,600
Speaker 2: and how they are. So you got the bounty on

449
00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,679
Speaker 2: Meduro's head, you have, you know, best case scenario, a

450
00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,439
Speaker 2: lot of military saber rattling and now this you know,

451
00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,639
Speaker 2: bragging about blowing up this this boat that we're claiming

452
00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,879
Speaker 2: had Venezuelan's on it. You know, how are they like

453
00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,320
Speaker 2: it all just feels like an intentional provocation. And that's

454
00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,120
Speaker 2: what's deeply concerning about it is it feels like they're

455
00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,800
Speaker 2: looking for an excuse to do even more and you know,

456
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,879
Speaker 2: potential deep stabilization, regime change, whatever that looks like. So

457
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Speaker 2: how is Madua responding? How do you expect him to respond?

458
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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, it's funny because after they did this

459
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 6: prisoner swap with al Salvador releasing like some Americans in

460
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 6: Venezuelan dissidents in exchange for the you know, two hundred

461
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,480
Speaker 6: Venezuelans and all Salvador and like days after that, they

462
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 6: actually restored Chevron's oil license in Venezuela and so a

463
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 6: lot of the Miami neocons were furious about that. So

464
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 6: this is kind of their way of appeasing them. And

465
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,239
Speaker 6: as far as how Maduro has reacted to this, he

466
00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,919
Speaker 6: loves this. I mean, you know, like solidarity people, it's

467
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,879
Speaker 6: kind of contradictory, like all these regimes like yeah, they

468
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 6: want to remove sanctions, but they also secretly kind of

469
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,680
Speaker 6: don't because it gives them an excuse to crack down

470
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,159
Speaker 6: and descend, you know, diffuse like blame for all of

471
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:50,919
Speaker 6: their own like fuck ups. So Maduro has said, oh, hey, Trump,

472
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 6: don't fall for this. Ruby was trying to drag you

473
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Speaker 6: into the new a war. And you know he might

474
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,679
Speaker 6: be right, but you know, he gets to mobilize all

475
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Speaker 6: of his militias. You know, he's sent like fifteen thousand militiamen,

476
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 6: chose border with Columbia where you know, he thinks like

477
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Speaker 6: an invasion could occur.

478
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Speaker 7: Uh, And it's it's great saber rattling for him. He

479
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:09,679
Speaker 7: loves this.

480
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

481
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Speaker 3: See, that's that's always the part that they just It's

482
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 3: like other countries also have politics. You can be a

483
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 3: dictator and have politics. That's just how it works.

484
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Speaker 2: Funny they played the Rubio card.

485
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm curious on Mexico because, like we said, look,

486
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,479
Speaker 3: i mean I see these guys they're like, oh, this

487
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 3: is revenge for fentanyl.

488
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Speaker 8: Again.

489
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Speaker 3: I'm like, guys, like ninety nine point nine percent of

490
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,160
Speaker 3: the fentanyl enters the United States, it comes from Mexico.

491
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Speaker 3: The cartels with any power, they're in Mexico. You know

492
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 3: what the tricky problem is, while Mexico and its government

493
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,439
Speaker 3: has a lot of links in corruption, with all this

494
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 3: the cartels. Mexico's also a number one trading partner of

495
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Speaker 3: the United States, So what are we gonna do here?

496
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Speaker 6: Uh?

497
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Speaker 3: And so broadly, you know, I'm curious, like you're talking

498
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 3: about saber rattling and all of this. There's been so

499
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Speaker 3: much talk, Oh America is going to go after the

500
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Speaker 3: cartels in Mexico. The one reason I've never thought that

501
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 3: would actually happen is because of the NAFTA and trading.

502
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Speaker 3: I was like, there's just you would genuinely nuke the

503
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 3: US economy if they shut down the border. I mean,

504
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 3: I'm curious how you know is you're an expert on

505
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,919
Speaker 3: shine bomb as well. How she is navigating all of

506
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 3: this right now, especially with Rubio down in Mexico.

507
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 6: Uh, She's done really well and has deeply increased cooperation

508
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 6: UH with the US. Has also taken a very aggressive

509
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 6: and smart security strategy. Actually, you know, fentanyl seizures south

510
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,919
Speaker 6: of the border at record highs and north of the

511
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 6: border at record lows. So you know, both of them

512
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 6: were saying that, like the cooperation is yielded fruit, and

513
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 6: that's absolutely true. On the other hand, the question is

514
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 6: whether it'll be enough for the White House, and you

515
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 6: know the problem with this government is you guys have

516
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,120
Speaker 6: pointed out, you know, like with the Orang strikes, it's

517
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:47,439
Speaker 6: a lot of it is vibes, a lot of it

518
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,199
Speaker 6: is symbolism, a lot a lot of it is just

519
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 6: showing we're doing something. So like with Iran, you know

520
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 6: we bombed her on is that gonna actually prevent them

521
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 6: from getting nuclear weapons? Know?

522
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 7: If anything, they're more likely to get them.

523
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 6: So with Mexico, so I can see them just like

524
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 6: doing some kind of strike just because it makes the

525
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 6: base feel good.

526
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, totally.

527
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 6: Yeah.

528
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 3: Because people it's like, people don't use Google. I'm like, okay,

529
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 3: so listen, I've got no love for the drug cartels.

530
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 1: All right, I got zero.

531
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 3: I'm like simple Google search how much ventanol comes from Venezuela.

532
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 1: Zero? How much cocaine comes to Venezuela. Not much? With

533
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,479
Speaker 1: fifty million dollars bounty on Venezuela's.

534
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 3: Leader's head, and we literally recognize a different government, and

535
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 3: we have a government full of people who've been wanting

536
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 3: to overthrow Venezuela now and you just a critical part

537
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,120
Speaker 3: of the Miami Coalition are literally expatriate Venezuelan's who are

538
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 3: trying to get the Secretary of State who used to

539
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 3: represent them to overthrow their government, who once posted a

540
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 3: video side by side of Maduro next to Goadafi.

541
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Speaker 1: So what are we doing here?

542
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 11: You know?

543
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 3: It's like that is where I just see zero skepticism again,

544
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 3: not even on the drug claims. It doesn't take a

545
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 3: genius to draw this stuff together, not to mention the

546
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 3: history of US police on Latin America. Say, maybe there's

547
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 3: something else going on here, you know, And I don't know.

548
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 3: I'm scared one. I'm scared about sleeper, regime change, destabilization

549
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 3: or any of this. I don't think anything any of

550
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 3: this has to do with drugs as of right now,

551
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 3: or maybe it does. You can correct me if I'm wrong.

552
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, in fairness, like a lot of the

553
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 6: cocaine that comes out of Columbia does go through Venezuela,

554
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 6: especially like the coca fields near the Columbia Venezuela border.

555
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 6: But yeah, and you know, in the grand scheme of things,

556
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 6: it's not that much as far as regime change is concerned.

557
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,239
Speaker 6: I mean, look, Maduro is horrific. And you know I

558
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 6: live in South Florida. I'm in for Lauderdale and I

559
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 6: hate his guts too, but like, you know, we have

560
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 6: to think about this. What are the consequences of like

561
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 6: removing this guy. Venezuela is a failed state, is controlled

562
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 6: by a bunch of different armed actors, gorillas, you know,

563
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 6: a bunch of other criminal actors like you remove this guy,

564
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 6: like and you know, we're in some sort of prolonged

565
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 6: Vietnam at rock s war in our hemisphere, like, my god,

566
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 6: and what are the migratory consequences?

567
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 10: Right?

568
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 6: Even more people would leave, like Venezuela is not going

569
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 6: to get fixed overnight, and most sober Venezuelans know this.

570
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're exactly right, absolutely right.

571
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, man. We always appreciate your analysis.

572
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 7: Thanks us.

573
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Speaker 1: Crystal, what are you taking a look at?

574
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 2: Well? In just a few short weeks, a who's who

575
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 2: of comedy will board international flights bound for Riod for

576
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,719
Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia's massive comedy festival, build as the largest comedy

577
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 2: festival in the world. The star studed lineup includes likes

578
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 2: of Dave Chappelle, Tim Dillon, Bill Burr, Zi's I'm Sorry,

579
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 2: Whitney Cummings, Pete Davidson, Kevin Hart, and a whole lot

580
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,479
Speaker 2: more where those came from. You got your right wingers,

581
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 2: you got your left wingers, you got your relatively apolitical,

582
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 2: all coming together in a shared appreciation for the shower

583
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 2: of Saudi cash that lured them to this event in

584
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 2: the first place. What about Saudi's imposed starvation of yenen.

585
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 2: What about their authoritarian speech, depression, and vicious approach to descent.

586
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 2: What about the brutal murder and dismembering of Jamalka Shogi,

587
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 2: their rampant abuse of migrant workers, including allegations of human trafficking. Well,

588
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 2: as Tim Dillon makes plain, the payouts were enough to

589
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 2: get everyone to look the other way.

590
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 11: They're paying me three hundred and seventy five thousand dollars

591
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 11: for one show.

592
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 8: Now, a lot of other people are getting one point

593
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 8: six million. That's not me.

594
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 11: I'm not in that bracket. But they're giving me three

595
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 11: seventy five. Others have gotten one fifty. Why are they

596
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 11: doing it? Here's the point. Here's the point. Okay, I

597
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 11: am doing this because they're paying me a large sum

598
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 11: of money. They're paying me enough money to look the

599
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 11: other way? Do you understand look the other way? That's

600
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 11: a foreword sentence, and people don't do anymore. Look the

601
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 11: other way. If something bad is happening to your left,

602
00:27:58,560 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 11: look to your right.

603
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 8: If, for example, I'm at a.

604
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 11: Breakfast and I see someone get grabbed and they start

605
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 11: hitting them with that's you know, that that big stick.

606
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 11: I don't know if it's bamboo or whatever it is.

607
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 11: It's kind of a wood, but it kind of snaps back.

608
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 11: It's perfect for a cane. If I see someone getting it,

609
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 11: I will look the other way. Okay, if I look

610
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 11: the other way and I see someone being behanded, meaning

611
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 11: they're chopping a hand off, that might be interesting to

612
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 11: just kind of see actually how they do it, because

613
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 11: I think they do it kind of a sanitary way,

614
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 11: but from what I've heard, you know, if.

615
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 8: They're chopping in I might look down.

616
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 11: And if I'm looking at the floor and I see

617
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 11: some eyeless beggar grabbing at me trying to get my money,

618
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 11: I will look up to the heavens, and if in

619
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 11: the heavens I see a drone flying over, I will

620
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 11: look the other way because I'm being paid enough money

621
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 11: to look the other way. What don't you understand? What

622
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 11: is so complicated? I'm the only honest person just gonna do.

623
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 11: Everyone else is gonna have a million.

624
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 8: They're gonna go.

625
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 11: Well, actually, the Middle East is more progressive now, and

626
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 11: h he's trying to make some change.

627
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 8: No no, no, no no no no no no no.

628
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 11: I'm being paid a lot of money to not care

629
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 11: about what they do in their country.

630
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 3: There you go.

631
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 2: The Saudi Comedy Festival, of course, just the Kingdom's latest effort,

632
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 2: and a long list of sports and cultural events where

633
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 2: they have doled out tens or hundreds of millions of

634
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 2: dollars so that people will do exactly what Tim suggests

635
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 2: and look the other way. Probably their most discussed gambit

636
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 2: from a US perspective is the Live Golf Tour, which

637
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 2: came in as a direct competitor to the PGA Tour,

638
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 2: bought off a bunch of the world's top players, partnered

639
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 2: with Donald Trump to host events at his properties. We

640
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 2: still don't know how much exactly the President is netting

641
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 2: from his Live Golf deal, but yes, ladies and gentlemen,

642
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 2: the President too is being paid to look the other

643
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 2: way on any Saudi doings that may conflict with American

644
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 2: values or American interest. But there is, of course, so

645
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 2: much more. The Saudis have made massive investments in soccer.

646
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 2: They purchased an eighty percent stake in Premier League's Newcastle United.

647
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 2: They spent lavishly to lure global soccer superstars like Cristiano

648
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 2: Ronaldo and Neymar to Saudi clubs. They've hosted heavyweight boxing matches,

649
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 2: regular WWE events. They back Formula one and Formula E,

650
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 2: which is apparently electric car racing, E sports, women's tennis,

651
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 2: music festivals, including stars like Mariah Carey, Justin Bieber, and

652
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 2: they've also lured artists for massive biennial art exhibitions. Now,

653
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 2: some of these efforts by the Saudis to buy affection,

654
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 2: they have been met with some protest, but none particularly

655
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 2: significant or sustained enough to stop the stars involved from

656
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 2: making the exact same calculus that Tim Dillon explained. Take

657
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 2: the money, look the other way, assume the blowback will

658
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 2: be minimal, and keep it moving. That bet has paid

659
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 2: off for them every time, as best as I can tell.

660
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: So this is where we are now, in whatever end

661
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 2: state of capitalism were in. Money's are God the only

662
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 2: end goal apparently that really matters, the only judge of

663
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 2: merit or character. And with this false idol we are

664
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 2: witnessing a total and complete moral collapse. The comedians lining

665
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 2: up to line their pockets are really just one very

666
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 2: small example of it. I mean, it's barely worth mentioning

667
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: in comparison to the decision to commit a full on

668
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 2: genocide and ethnic cleansing in order to secure beachfront property

669
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 2: development rights. Increasingly, we're falling into an ideology of utter

670
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: and complete nihilism. The sense of our nation as any

671
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 2: sort of collective enterprise has been broken by decades of

672
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 2: a neoliberal ideology that was so individualistic that many apparently

673
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 2: forgot other human beings were even actual human beings at all,

674
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 2: and not just NPCs or non playable characters. How else

675
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: can you explain the muted reaction when a boat of

676
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,959
Speaker 2: human beings is blown out the water by the world's

677
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 2: most powerful military, or when Florida decides end all childhood

678
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 2: vaccine mandates, putting your right to be an anti vax

679
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: crank over the healths of the community, especially children, especially

680
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: the elderly and the vulnerable. When we all watch every

681
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: single day as a genocide is live streamed in our feeds,

682
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,959
Speaker 2: it may be that the only ones really worthy of

683
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 2: being called human at this point are the doctors, and

684
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 2: the aid workers who rush into Gaza, and the Palestinians themselves,

685
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: who have somehow still maintained their humanity in the face

686
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 2: of the greatest barbarism imaginable. By the way, Tim Dillon

687
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 2: actually had something to say about this as well.

688
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 11: The niceties are gone, the pleasantries are gone. Israel's not

689
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 11: disguising what they want to do. The motives are not

690
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 11: They don't matter the narrative does it make sense. The

691
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 11: stories don't add up. They do not care. They're not

692
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 11: trying to make it make sense. They don't have the time.

693
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 11: It's the last bit of control that they can exert

694
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 11: over the system before it blows up.

695
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,959
Speaker 8: It's my guess. It's what it feels like.

696
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 11: Nobody's putting the time into lie to you anymore. You

697
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 11: should worry about that. You should worry about the fact

698
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 11: that nobody's even trying to make the lie. They know

699
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 11: it doesn't matter if you believe them. They're going to

700
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 11: try to dispose of you. I'll be in Rehod. I'll

701
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 11: be in Rehod where my bread is buttered. Go find

702
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 11: where your bread is buttered. Go get your bread buttered,

703
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 11: Go get your toast buttered. Go get your y, go

704
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 11: jelly your jam because the world is ending. But it's

705
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 11: true and it sounds rough.

706
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 2: Go get your bread buttered because the world is ending?

707
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 2: Doesn't that actually feel like it captures a lot of

708
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 2: the sentiment bubbling under the surface of our culture when

709
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 2: people talk endlessly about a vibe shift. Is that the

710
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 2: vibe the world's ending, and I don't believe anything, So

711
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna go get mine, or at least I'm

712
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 2: gonna try. I'm gonna chase some crypto scam. I'm gonna

713
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 2: lionize the scummiest people on the internet. I'm gonna embrace

714
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 2: the basest of human pleasures, which is a sense of

715
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 2: satisfaction that comes from watching someone in the out group suffer.

716
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 2: Is that the vibe we're talking about after we were

717
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: lied into the Iraq War and the economy collapsed and

718
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 2: the banksters were rewarded, and the effort at a collective

719
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 2: renewal as represented by the burning campaign was snuffed down,

720
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 2: is that what we're left with moral collapse, cash grabs, scammers,

721
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 2: race to the bottom, and torture as a form of entertainment.

722
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 2: And so a bunch of comedians with all sorts of

723
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 2: supposed political ideologies. They're all going to go and they're

724
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 2: going to get their bread buttered from a totalitarian monarchy

725
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: that hacked a dissident journalist apart because the Royal family

726
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 2: did not like his Washington Post columns. There is another way.

727
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 2: I don't land too much at Zoron's feed here, but

728
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 2: there is something that I genuinely find so special and

729
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 2: hopeful about his campaign. It's the tiniest glimmer the possibility

730
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 2: of a renewed sense of a collective spirit, a glimmer

731
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 2: of an expanded political vision that believes it is possible

732
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 2: to make America's largest city workable for working people. Four thousand.

733
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 2: Just think about this. Extremely earnest people came out for

734
00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 2: a Sunday scavenger hunt for this campaign. Young people app

735
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 2: down of their TikTok on we to completely remake the

736
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: electorate and shock the world. Or for a more profound example,

737
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 2: I would ask you to listen to doctor Muhammed Mustafa,

738
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 2: Palestinian refugee turned uk and Ossi citizen turned er doctor

739
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 2: who has gone twice to serve in Gaza.

740
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 10: It's like this bizarre thing because you know net Nyahu

741
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 10: at the start said you know, we are the children

742
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 10: of light fighting the children of darkness. And I'm just like,

743
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 10: the irony of it is this the other way around?

744
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 10: You know, the irony it's the other way around. It's

745
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 10: those kids in Gaza that are the light. When you

746
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,240
Speaker 10: see those children, and I've seen them when there's little

747
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,919
Speaker 10: food and you know, a child might have a plate

748
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 10: of food and the other child is waiting in line

749
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:45,919
Speaker 10: and there's no more food left, and then that child

750
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 10: who's hungry and emanciated, starts scooping out food from his

751
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 10: plate to put on the child's plate. You know, when

752
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 10: we had COVID over here, you know, we had police

753
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 10: officers guarding toilet paper because we had society had broken down.

754
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 10: We were fighting over toilet papy. And then you have

755
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 10: starving children who are traumatized, who are sharing their food

756
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 10: with each other.

757
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: Just think about that. In Gaza, their world may literally

758
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 2: be ending right now. The most powerful country on the

759
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 2: planet is trying to wipe out the evidence that they

760
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 2: ever even existed, and still they stubbornly refuse to become

761
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 2: the animals that we have been told that they are.

762
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 2: They are doing so much more for one another than

763
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 2: just trying to get their own bread buttered. In other words,

764
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 2: maybe Tim Dillon, it's too soon to give up on

765
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 2: the world and sober curious for your your thoughts on

766
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 2: a wide ranging one there.

767
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: I hate to say it.

768
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 3: I just think it's very Uh, you're too optimistic.

769
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 2: I mean, so you're in full blown nihilism. Get your

770
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 2: bread buttered.

771
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 3: I mean if you just I mean, look, if you

772
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 3: look at you know, we need to talk about this

773
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 3: on Monday. Yeah, but anti tax sentiment is at the

774
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,720
Speaker 3: highest that it's ever been in the United States.

775
00:36:58,800 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 8: Oh I love that.

776
00:36:59,800 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

777
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 2: Why for me it's gaza.

778
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: Well it's not just.

779
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 3: But that's when it's multifaceted, because it's not about federal

780
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 3: it's nothing works.

781
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: Shit's too expensive for me. I've got bums all over

782
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: where I live.

783
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 3: Crime is high, the prices are too high, property taxes

784
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 3: sky high. I don't feel like I get shit for

785
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 3: what I pay, not to mention for what we're paying

786
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 3: into the federal government system. All of it together, I'm like,

787
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 3: fuck you. That's how most people feel. I talked about

788
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 3: the property tax thing. So the point is is that

789
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 3: all institutions are failing us at every level.

790
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: So I think it's nice to believe. I understand.

791
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 2: I understand the sentiment. Yeah right, But I actually don't

792
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 2: think you behave like that in your normal life because

793
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 2: we're not doing a cash like we talked this week

794
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 2: about the way that other creators are doing the total

795
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 2: like cash grab, sell out. I'll take the Saudi cash,

796
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 2: I'll take the dark money, I'll sell blue chee whatever.

797
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 2: And that's not the path that you have chosen.

798
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: You're totally right.

799
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 3: I mean, I have personal integerity, but I'm more like,

800
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 3: I don't agree. I don't conduct myself that way. Would

801
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 3: put that way, yeah, but I don't I understand it.

802
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 3: I see exactly the way that it goes.

803
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: I individually. I am not naive enough to believe that

804
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: I individually and this.

805
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 3: You know, whatever example or whatever we do is going

806
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 3: to influence the vast majority of people to change the

807
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 3: short here.

808
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: If I look at the average behavior of the American.

809
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 3: Citizen, the truth is is that degeneracy individualism is on

810
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 3: the path forward, and you're kind of are a fool

811
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 3: if you try to invest in anything really broadly, at

812
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 3: like a major societal level to make people not behave

813
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 3: hyper individualistically. That is the country that we live in.

814
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 3: You could blame the system, you could blame the people.

815
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 3: I think it's kind of both. Basically, at this point,

816
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 3: we live in Vegas. Our president is literally a casino magnate.

817
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 3: That's the country who we are. I told you earlier

818
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 3: FanDuel is now sponsoring public infrastructure. We have no collective culture,

819
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 3: no collective value, no collective society. So in that society,

820
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 3: like you kind of should ensure that you're protected and

821
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 3: you're okay because nobody's.

822
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: Looking out for you. The government's not looking out for you.

823
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean just broadly, that's like the way

824
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 3: that I feel is I have no civic faith that

825
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 3: if something were to happen to me that the city

826
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 3: that I would live in would do shit for this

827
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 3: is zero. And then for the government, oh my god,

828
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 3: it's like you better have the resources.

829
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: So I think I probably feel even more dark about

830
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 2: the world in the country with the Trump administration than

831
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 2: you do. So I understand, I understand the impulse, right,

832
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 2: but I am not ready to hand society off to

833
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 2: the Peter Teels of the world and the Donald Trump's

834
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 2: of the world, who would sell it off for parts.

835
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 2: I'm not ready to succumb to a world that's just

836
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,919
Speaker 2: might makes right law. The jungle barbarism rules the day.

837
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 2: And that's that's my point. Is I think that way,

838
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: And that's.

839
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: No, it's I mean, I really do.

840
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 2: No, I don't think as much as we're as much

841
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 2: as we're as much as we are in this moment

842
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 2: of decline, and as much as yes, the Carnival Barker

843
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 2: and the trump the Trumpian thug and con artists is

844
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 2: a deep part of American culture and history, like it

845
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 2: is American as apple pie. There's no doubt about that.

846
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 2: We are also the country that you know, that ended slavery,

847
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 2: that ended segregation. We are also the country that, during

848
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 2: the New Deal, built out you know, incredible infrastructure, incredible

849
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 2: manufacturing based like we are also that country that has

850
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 2: had that sense of collective and civic pride in the past.

851
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,240
Speaker 2: So that is also a part of the American tradition.

852
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 2: And so you know, the two examples that I cite

853
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: here are very intentionally chosen because it would be very

854
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 2: easy for you know, New Yorkers to also engage in

855
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 2: like a very cynical calculation forget it, nothing's going to work.

856
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 2: No one could change this city. It's a playground for

857
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 2: the rich. And yet still they had enough faith in

858
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 2: a collective project to like earnestly engage come out to

859
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 2: vote totally remake. They had electorate put their trust in

860
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: someone who is untested and young and unproven, and so

861
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 2: it's this little glimmer of possibility there and then I

862
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 2: really genuinely believe what and this is what I've seen

863
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 2: with you know, covering Palestine, covering Gaza so so carefully.

864
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 2: Doctor Mustapha talks about how Palestine will free the world,

865
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Speaker 2: and what he and others mean by that is just

866
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 2: think about how extraordinary it is that while we're all

867
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 2: you know, nihilism and everything nothing matters. I'm going to

868
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 2: get mine, et cetera. Like that example he gives of

869
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 2: a child who you know, has experienced loss that we

870
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,720
Speaker 2: can't even imagine, who is trying to be murdered every

871
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 2: day by the world superpower and their little baby terror state.

872
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 2: And still still they find it in themselves to have

873
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 2: a sense of a collective and have a sense of

874
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 2: I'm going to share this little bit that I have

875
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 2: and I find that profoundly inspiring. There's nothing that has

876
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 2: inspired me more in this moment than people too, like

877
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 2: doctor Mustava. He is an er doc. He was actually

878
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 2: a professional player. He was very high level jiu jitsu

879
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 2: champion and is this extraordinary person, and yet he decided

880
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 2: to put himself in harms way twice in a war

881
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: zone to go in and sort of like that is

882
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: a level of a human spirit that I can't even

883
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: wrap my mind around, which is why I'm not prepared

884
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: to just give it and say nothing matters. It's all shit,

885
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 2: It can never get better, like it is what it is,

886
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 2: and we're just going to continue on this steady decline

887
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 2: as like a human race.

888
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 3: Actually, I would say that I don't have faith that

889
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 3: the political system will deliver the change that you're looking for.

890
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 3: I don't believe any politician would be able to do it,

891
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 3: un least currently. There's only two ways you and I

892
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 3: are going to get the.

893
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: Country that we want.

894
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 3: Number one is a massive global financial crisis we were

895
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 3: talking about earlier. We actually had a shot in eight.

896
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 3: But see that's where my skepticism comes in the language

897
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 3: you're using about Zoron. I heard it all in two

898
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 3: thousand and eight. Obama, the young people, the Internet, they

899
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 3: came out there, well, meaning. And it's like remember that

900
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 3: commercial of taking the hope poster down. That's reality. It

901
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 3: didn't work. It straight up was a failure. He took

902
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 3: we know, the hopes and dreams of literally millions, and

903
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 3: they crashed and that's how you got Donald Trump. So

904
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 3: reality tells us that probably won't happen. So probably a

905
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 3: global financial system or it's going to be a massive war.

906
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 3: That's another reason I was talking earlier about China. And

907
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 3: the most likely scenario is that we are going it's

908
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 3: going to be just like the nineteen thirties.

909
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: We're going to have.

910
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 3: Our thumb up our ass for years and everyone will

911
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 3: be inter so we'll be squabbling and then one day

912
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 3: nineteen fourteen or nineteen thirty nine, the entire world will

913
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 3: change in a single day. And from that point forward

914
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 3: that's when shit gets real. So that's where the gosins

915
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 3: of course have to come together and collect a solidarity

916
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 3: because they are literally fighting a war of extinction. But

917
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 3: in the absence of that, we are not. We are

918
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 3: not fighting an existential but the only existential battle we're

919
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 3: fighting is against ourselves, like internally, and you know, basically

920
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:54,439
Speaker 3: like warding off all of the capitalistic endeavors to suck

921
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 3: your drive of your entire souls.

922
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: That's the war that we fight here.

923
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,919
Speaker 3: So without that external factor, I don't see it happen,

924
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 3: and it pretty much never happened without that major external

925
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 3: factor or precipitating crisis.

926
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: So you talked about you talk about ending slavery.

927
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it took a prolonged, multi year civil

928
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 3: war of a massive crisis, six hundred thousand deaths, two

929
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 3: percent of the US population. And even then at the time,

930
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 3: it took the political genies of Lincoln to actually make

931
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 3: it happen, because if we're all being honest, ending slavery,

932
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,919
Speaker 3: it was not all that popular at the time, even

933
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 3: within the Union, that's the truth.

934
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: Segregation.

935
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 3: Yes, it was great, you know, nineteen sixty four and

936
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 3: all that, but it took about twenty five years, you know, broadly,

937
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 3: and what Reagan just happened to announce his campaign in

938
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty exactly in the spot where I'm gonna say,

939
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 3: I'm just like, okay, so you know.

940
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 2: I mean, but yeah, I think that you may be

941
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 2: correct that it does take that kind of a massive crisis,

942
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, that's basically the acceleration.

943
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: I don't see any evidence that it can come about.

944
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 2: I'm not convinced of that, but I acknowledge that that

945
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 2: is entirely possible. I guess for us recording any number

946
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 2: of crises on Universe runs.

947
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: We'll probably get there.

948
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 2: Here we go.

949
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 3: I sometimes feel like I'm broadcasting in the year like

950
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 3: nineteen ten, because there were a lot of British intelects.

951
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 3: I'm not calling myself an electual, but I'm saying there

952
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 3: were a lot of like British intellectuals and others who

953
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 3: were like, the storm is coming, the rise is coming,

954
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 3: there's you know, storm on the horizon.

955
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and everyone's like, oh, it's fine. You know.

956
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 3: The number one story in July nineteen fourteen in Paris

957
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 3: was about a lady who I think she shot her

958
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 3: husband's mistress or something. That was the number one story

959
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 3: in the city of Paris in France. Like, that's the

960
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 3: level of bullshit that they were all doing.

961
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: They lived in one of the richest, most prosperous, incredible places.

962
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 3: I feel very similarly like that's the tabloid level nonsense

963
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 3: that we're all obsessed with, and it's like you can

964
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 3: just see the storm on the.

965
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 2: Horizon you know, you have that, you have that, and

966
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 2: then it's in a split screen with like and the

967
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: militaries occupying you and I.

968
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: You and I see that, right, But most people are not.

969
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 3: They're just going about their day wondering about McDonald's putting

970
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,240
Speaker 3: the NFL on betting on college football.

971
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: Taylor swift endorsement is the number one story in the country.

972
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 3: Like, be honest, you know, have you seen a level

973
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 3: of you know, how many videos are there of people

974
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 3: finding out about Taylor's and like collapsing in tears.

975
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: You know, that's the country that we live in.

976
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 3: And I mean, I take stylis and the fact that

977
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:18,439
Speaker 3: it has kind of always been that way.

978
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: I don't think it's particularly unique at this point.

979
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 3: But yeah, to see the collective is in the ditching

980
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 3: of individualism.

981
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 1: And all that it's going to be.

982
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 3: It's going to take a lot, I think a lot

983
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 3: that I will agree with you. All right, Okay, thanks

984
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 3: you guys for watching. We appreciate you. We'll see you later.