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Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with

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Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Home Bunker, Folks,

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Speaker 1: I am excited to bring you part two of our

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Speaker 1: two part series on black farmers and ranchers, brought to

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Speaker 1: us by The Heist, an award winning podcast that is

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Speaker 1: now in season three where they are focusing on a

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Speaker 1: heist by the US government of land and wealth from

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Speaker 1: America's black farmers and ranchers. Yesterday you heard from April Simpson,

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Speaker 1: the reporter who covered this story for the series, and

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Speaker 1: today you are going to hear from black rancher Nate Bradford,

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Speaker 1: who went to the USDA for help in keeping his

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Speaker 1: in my interview with him, from a family of black

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Speaker 1: ranchers in Oklahoma. His grandfather and his father were both

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Speaker 1: ranchers and because of racism, because of discrimination, their businesses

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Speaker 1: barely hung on. For Nate to be able to try

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Speaker 1: And I got to tell you that listening to Nate's

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Speaker 1: story and the fact that he is trying to fulfill

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Speaker 1: his family's legacy and dream and for so long believed

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Speaker 1: that there was just something wrong with him and his

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Speaker 1: grandfather and his father in the way that they were

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Speaker 1: doing their business. You know, why were these white ranchers,

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Speaker 1: you know, so successful and they're losing money and you know,

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Speaker 1: and thinking that it is their fault. When as he

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Speaker 1: began to dig in to understand how money was being

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Speaker 1: and what he continues to experience is a product of

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Speaker 1: racism within the system. And as somebody who grew up

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Speaker 1: farms and ranching, and so I'm always really curious about,

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Speaker 1: particularly around and about black people who live in predominantly

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Speaker 1: white areas who not only fight to be a part

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Speaker 1: community that is a part of their lineage, right. And

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Speaker 1: so speaking to Nate to really understand what his family

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Speaker 1: now being forced to work multiple jobs so that he

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Speaker 1: necessary conversation to have because, as I said yesterday, this

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Speaker 1: entire season is tied around a recent study that found

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Speaker 1: that black farmers lost three hundred and twenty six billion

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Speaker 1: dollars in land in the twentieth century alone. And actually

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Speaker 1: it's not even lost. Three hundred and twenty six billion

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Speaker 1: dollars were stolen stolen from black farmers and ranchers in

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Speaker 1: the twentieth century. And I continue to wonder what would

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Speaker 1: America look like if white racists didn't consistently cut off

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Speaker 1: their nose to spite their face. What would it look

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Speaker 1: like to live in a country that allowed all people

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Speaker 1: to be a part of the abundance that this country offers,

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Speaker 1: and not just carve it up for a select few

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Speaker 1: white men. There is just this scarcity and racist mentality

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Speaker 1: that drives our racial wealth gap and poverty in certain communities,

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Speaker 1: in black and brown communities. But this story, in particular, friends,

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Speaker 1: is one that deserves the attention and deserves to be heard.

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Speaker 1: These are the stories that these racist white governors want

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Speaker 1: removed right because it goes along to perpetuate their lie

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Speaker 1: that Black people find themselves impoverished or with the racial

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Speaker 1: wolpe gap or behind in metrics because they're not worthy,

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Speaker 1: because they're not smart. Enough, not ambitious enough, when in

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Speaker 1: fact this was all done out of spite, out of

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Speaker 1: conversation coming up next with rancher Nate Bradford. Folks, I

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Speaker 1: am very happy to welcome to WOKF Daily for the

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Speaker 1: first time Nate Bradford, who is a rare and head

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Speaker 1: of G Line Ranchers. He is also featured on the

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Speaker 1: podcast the third season of The Heist, where they talk

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Speaker 1: about the theft by the US government the USDA, in

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Speaker 1: particular with regard to the wages the land loans of

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Speaker 1: black farmers that have reached I think one report said

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Speaker 1: in the twentieth century over three hundred and fifty billion dollars.

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Speaker 1: With a B. Nate, tell us a bit about your

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Speaker 1: story and where first, where you're located and how you

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm a fourth generation rancher here, you know, and

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Speaker 2: I'll say ranch in my family. My grandpa just came

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Speaker 3: Over two thousand acres. We've got we've got into business,

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Speaker 2: Started out, my grandfather he started out as well, but

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Speaker 3: That's what we did.

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Speaker 1: So when he I mean, this is obviously a family business,

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Speaker 1: generational business of being ranchers. Did you know at that time,

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Speaker 1: as you're watching your grandfather and your father what they

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Speaker 2: No, we we I had no idea, honestly, and it

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Speaker 2: that's what was happening. So no new infrastructures have been

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: The reason being is because there was no successful black

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Speaker 2: we thought, you know, we we dealt with racism, and

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Speaker 2: So know, growing up, it's like anything superheroes you see

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Speaker 2: and you know, we didn't have no Hucks go out

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So then how did you make the decision?

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Speaker 1: Right as you're you're kind of your growing up middle

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's that's what we thought.

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Speaker 2: So we'd see the white ranchers, you know, uh, going

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Speaker 2: And so as I, as we came into this business,

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Speaker 2: how we got into this deal. So I had first

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Speaker 2: trying to get in there and getting attained loan. We

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's really it's really complex.

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Speaker 2: You going there, they hand you, uh you know, a

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Speaker 2: So it's you know, so you kind of looked at

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Speaker 2: but anyway, you get denied because you don't get into assistance, right.

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Speaker 3: So if you don't know, you don't know.

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Speaker 2: And but you know, as you know, I was the

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Speaker 2: of course we were denied as long as you didn't know, but.

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Speaker 3: We we were dig in deeper.

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Speaker 2: We go back and eventually we obtained a loan, you know,

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Speaker 1: How long did that process of just going back and

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Speaker 1: forth and filling out this kind of you know, stacks

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Speaker 2: You know, it's hard to just kind of remember that.

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Speaker 2: It seems like it was probably six months.

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Speaker 2: In mind, my dad went through this process as well,

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Speaker 2: But you know the difficult things when you deal them

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Speaker 3: BRAC so called specially backs. Maybe you'll get funded before.

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Speaker 2: Anybody else, but that only you know when you come

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Speaker 2: I'll just kind of fast forward here. What kind of

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Speaker 1: So while you're waiting on this funding name for six months,

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Speaker 1: were you able to like continue to raise your your

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Speaker 1: your your cabs like where you like? How does how

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Speaker 1: does business work when you're waiting on these loans to

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Speaker 1: kind of you know, increase your infrastructure, but you don't

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Speaker 3: Well, you come out of pocket. So, you know, I

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Speaker 2: A unique opportunity where I worked. I went to work

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Speaker 1: Why did you think it was important to share your

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, how what does it look like for a

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. How you know you go

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Speaker 1: Like what kind of how can I be a resource?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know.

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Speaker 2: It's we have to find a way to support us

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Speaker 3: People need to try, if you know, reach out. We

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, Nate Bradford I I really appreciate you making

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Speaker 2: You're welcome. I'm glad I came on. Appreciate you giving

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Speaker 2: and keep everybody up on the Ranch. But it's been

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Speaker 1: Will thank you. That is it for me today, dear

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Speaker 1: friends on woke A app as always power to the

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