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Speaker 2: And welcome back to the combine.

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Speaker 3: Our continuing coverage here on this to There's Audio Network

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Speaker 3: alongside Matt Williamson and Mike Pursuit.

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Speaker 2: I'm Rob King. I think guy got a little bit

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Speaker 2: of a man crush on Greg Cosell.

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Speaker 4: After that, man, I can make find up by these

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Speaker 4: guys year after year that I do, but for different reasons.

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Speaker 4: I think talking books and history.

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Speaker 2: Oh what to get an awesome guest.

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Speaker 4: But I get it now, Yeah, I guess you get

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Speaker 4: it now right. We didn't even get too far in

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Speaker 4: the weeds with he played it five hours with him

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Speaker 4: away I mean he didn't have his notes, and I mean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, on so many things is astounding.

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Speaker 5: What I really appreciated most is obviously he has a

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Speaker 5: great depth of knowledge and perspective and understanding, and also

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Speaker 5: the context that on a lot of this stuff we

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Speaker 5: really don't know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he doesn't pretend to know. Yeah right, all right,

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Speaker 4: well Willis that's yeah, great point, right, Or how many

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Speaker 4: carries can warrn handles fall sample size? But it's a

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Speaker 4: it's a roll of the dice if you play eighteen

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Speaker 4: games and have to throw at thirty. Like you said,

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Speaker 4: they threw twenty three passes in one game in his

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Speaker 4: career and it didn't go well. In It's Tennessee early

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Speaker 4: when he was a mess. There's gonna be times when

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Speaker 4: he's gonna have to throw at forty for you to win.

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Speaker 4: I've still ever done it.

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Speaker 3: You have to be able to throw out of the

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Speaker 3: pocket to win him to win it all in the NFL,

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Speaker 3: you still have to be able.

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Speaker 4: To do that. One of his favorite sayings that I

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Speaker 4: I stole from him long ago is eventually it's third

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Speaker 4: and eight, right, Yeah, it just is.

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Speaker 5: I get enamored with trends, Like a lot of people.

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Speaker 5: And I can remember when Ben Roethlisberger was retiring and

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Speaker 5: we were asking Art Rooney what you're looking for in

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Speaker 5: the next guy, And we had talked with Mike Tomlin

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Speaker 5: about that. He was pretty public about valuing mobility at

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Speaker 5: the quarterback position. And I remember asking Art Runy the

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Speaker 5: second about that and he said, well, the ability to

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Speaker 5: runs nice, but you still got to be able to

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Speaker 5: read a defense and throw the ball down the field, right,

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Speaker 5: And it's that pocket passing that matters more.

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Speaker 4: It's never gonna go and it's always.

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Speaker 6: Gonna matter more. It's great.

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Speaker 5: Yeah you were talking. Yes, I don't think it was

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Speaker 5: during a program. I think it was during our prep

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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, Yeah, that was good stuff to him.

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Speaker 5: When you said the defensive lines are always going to

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Speaker 6: Now, it's just the way the game is.

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Speaker 4: There's too much talent.

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Speaker 5: So boy, it's fantastic when you have that guy that

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Speaker 5: into first and ten. But you got to be able

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Speaker 5: to throw first and you've the more important characteristic two things.

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Speaker 4: I would mention with that. You've seen a handful of

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Speaker 4: the third Kaepernick Allen where they can get away with

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Speaker 4: extreme athleticism for a year, for two improv hard to tackle,

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Speaker 4: but eventually you need to transform your game. Ben for

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Speaker 4: athletically he is. Right, his mobility wasn't run, it was extend.

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Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers was a designed run for a long time.

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Speaker 6: Not that guy anymore, but he can still be effective.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. And the older you get, the less mobile you're

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Speaker 4: going to be, of course, and you know, eventually you

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Speaker 5: Like where I was going with that was the small

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Speaker 6: That game he played against the Ravens December.

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Speaker 3: But if he's that guy, if he's that guy we

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Speaker 3: saw against the Ravens, he's a top five quarterback in

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Speaker 3: don't even want him as your third string cornerback, you

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Speaker 2: So, and then the other a pretty wide range of out.

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Speaker 4: That's a risk I'm willing to take at the cost

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Speaker 4: because it doesn't cost you a draft pick.

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Speaker 6: Because it's not your money and you won't get fired.

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Speaker 4: No, but if he's horrendous, then you're probably picking eighth

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Speaker 6: But you'd rather risk that guy than Will Howard.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, because he might be the answer.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if he plays like that against the Ravens,

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Speaker 4: if you can get that out of him fourteen weeks

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Speaker 6: You know, then how much do you value all right.

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Speaker 4: The Ravens weren't very good defensively, right right, Houston was like,

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Speaker 5: How much do you factor in? Like, are the good

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Speaker 2: Extremely small, extremely small Sampa size. Right, but he looked great.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna watch that game thinking, Wow, this guy's come

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Speaker 3: a long way, well has he and a good great coach,

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Speaker 4: And we got another guest right to join us, who's

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Speaker 4: actually very good friends with Greg Kosel does similar stuff,

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Speaker 4: kind of a younger version. They have a big Eagles connection,

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Speaker 4: Fran Duffy. Should we go to break now and come

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Speaker 4: back with Fran because I have a feeling I might

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Speaker 4: keep him kind of a long too, Yeah, because because.

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Speaker 3: We went super long there, who's back there? Okay, justin

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Speaker 3: I just got that. That's fine. So you know, when

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Speaker 3: you have the pie chart and pie chart, you know

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Speaker 3: we're gonna do this segment day that's out the window

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Speaker 3: right which we take it on. We're not ye, this

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Speaker 3: is like a slapstick film. We're throwing pies all over

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Speaker 3: the place. Okay, so we're gonna take a break. Special

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Speaker 3: guest Fran Duffy's gonna be joining us along with Mike Preduda,

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Speaker 3: Matt Wims, and I'm Rob King. We're coming to you

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Speaker 3: from the Combine in Indianapolis. Here on this too, there's

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Speaker 1: This is live Coble reach up that twenty twenty six

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Speaker 1: NFL Combine on Steelers Nation Radio, a part of the

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Speaker 2: That's exactly what it is.

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Speaker 3: Then we're here in Indianapolis, Mike Berzuda, Matt Williams, and

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Speaker 3: myself Rob King, and we are joined now by another guru.

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Speaker 3: Love it, Fran Duffy from All City, the Draft analyst.

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Speaker 2: H Fran.

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Speaker 3: First of all, thanks very much for being with us. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: absolutely much appreciated. Before we get deep into it, I

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Speaker 3: ask you a similar question that I'm gonna ask anybody

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Speaker 3: we talked to you about the draft. What is your

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Speaker 3: take on the quality of the draft, the depth of

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Speaker 3: the draft. Is it a good year to be drafting six?

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Speaker 3: So you're happy to be drafting twenty first? Is there

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Speaker 3: lots of talent? No talent, different positions?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I would say you're definitely happier at twenty one

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Speaker 7: end of the day, like you'd rather have a higher

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Speaker 7: value at six this year, at three, this year, at

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Speaker 7: five this year that we've gotten in previous years, Probably not.

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Speaker 7: You know, I don't think that you can look at

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Speaker 7: of these yeah, right, these guys are good players. I

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Speaker 7: like a lot of players, but it's hard to like

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Speaker 2: How about the depth?

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Speaker 3: Is the depth a similar depth is normal years? Is

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Speaker 7: There are certain positions where like when I get to

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Speaker 7: you know what I would normally where you were saying,

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Speaker 7: like round five, where it falls off hard, you know,

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Speaker 7: like running back depth in this year in this year's

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Speaker 7: the running back group is not great. There's only I

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Speaker 7: think there's there's twenty one running backs here in Indy,

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Speaker 7: which is the lowest number in two decades.

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Speaker 2: At least a ton of tight ends, a ton of

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Speaker 7: But even then, so there's twenty one running backs.

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Speaker 2: Two of those one of them is a tight end.

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Speaker 7: One of those a fullback in Max Predestone from Michigan,

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Speaker 7: I've got him as a slot receiver to high school

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Speaker 7: that's ready, is Pittsburgh kid. Yeah, but so it's not

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Speaker 7: a great running back group. The cornerback depth I think

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Speaker 7: I'm like, I'm looking around, I'm like, I don't really

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Speaker 2: It's a weird year.

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Speaker 4: So while we're in that neighborhood, the Steelers have four

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Speaker 4: Day two picks, three thirds, and you think there's I

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Speaker 4: forget who which draftnick we were talking to yesterday, but

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Speaker 4: corner they thought was really strong on day two. What

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Speaker 7: Right wide receiver, And I feel like that's just always

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Speaker 4: They're both sons of coaches, yep.

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Speaker 7: He's big, He's got a big arm. He can make

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Speaker 7: Lean into being that that a plus physical talent. To me,

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Speaker 6: Into a road game. How much of that do you value?

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Speaker 6: Just watch is full.

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Speaker 5: But how much do you let your your feel for

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Speaker 7: I tried.

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Speaker 6: And how much do you think these guys do it,

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Speaker 6: And I know what a running back looks like, and

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Speaker 7: And you've seen what it looks like to have that

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Speaker 2: Awesome, Like you know, this guy, this guy could come.

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Speaker 7: I do think there's an element of that. I try

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Speaker 3: So what did you think of Will Howard coming out

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Speaker 2: Matt said he thought sixth round or you had a

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Speaker 4: Of Matt wouldn't have been shocked at all if he

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Speaker 7: I was somewhere in that range in terms of day

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Speaker 2: I want to see him throw live for the.

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Speaker 7: Same that like the intangile stuff like I want to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So I'd be shocked if the Steelers don't take

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Speaker 7: Yeah, for in perpetuity, there are a bunch of guys,

440
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Speaker 7: and I think that if I try and think about

441
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Speaker 7: comparing it with the skill set with DK metcalf uh

442
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Speaker 7: in this offense with Mike McCarthy. All right, Like, who

443
00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,639
Speaker 7: are some guys that would make some sense there? I

444
00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:13,520
Speaker 7: will say, like, uh, mackay Lemon is a player that

445
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Speaker 7: we'd be talking about most likely first round there. Uh,

446
00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:21,280
Speaker 7: he's undersized, and how is he gonna test at that size?

447
00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:22,160
Speaker 2: He's not running here?

448
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Speaker 4: And I could be and slow.

449
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Speaker 7: You could be small in the NFL, right, and you

450
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Speaker 7: can and you can win.

451
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Speaker 2: You could be slow in the NFL and you can win.

452
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

453
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Speaker 2: It's tough to be small and slow.

454
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Speaker 6: Yeah.

455
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Speaker 7: Yeah, And that's in every position. I feel that way

456
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Speaker 7: about everything. So and it's not to say that's impossible,

457
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Speaker 7: it's just really hard. And so if we were talking

458
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Speaker 7: about I'm big in like range of outcomes with all

459
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Speaker 7: these players, Like there's a chance that all these guys

460
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Speaker 7: could develop into being great, really great ones. But with

461
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Speaker 7: the range of outcomes, if we're talking small and slow

462
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Speaker 7: for a lot of these guys, it's tough.

463
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Speaker 2: I will say.

464
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Speaker 7: His physicality, you really like he catches everything. He's immediately

465
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Speaker 7: transitions into a runner after the catch. I think that

466
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Speaker 7: there's a skill set there that apply, you know, that

467
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Speaker 7: can why and transition well to the league.

468
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Speaker 2: But what's the upside?

469
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Speaker 7: Are we taking that guy and then in the top

470
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Speaker 7: twenty right now, he's in every top twenty in every mock.

471
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Speaker 4: Trapped If any of those like top ten or twelve

472
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Speaker 4: on your list, is there someone you're higher on than

473
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Speaker 4: most you think then consensus, I.

474
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Speaker 7: Would say, if I'm looking at my receiver stack right now,

475
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Speaker 7: I mean, the one guy that would be really intriguing.

476
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Speaker 7: And we've seen the Steelers go down this route with

477
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Speaker 7: Marktavis Bryant, with George picking fields. No, in terms of

478
00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:30,960
Speaker 7: the fields would be one guy, absolutely honestly. But Chris Brazzle, Okay,

479
00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,080
Speaker 7: see I mean he's six foot five, he's two hundred.

480
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Speaker 2: And ten pounds.

481
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Speaker 7: He runs yeah, yeah, Like, uh, you know, watching that

482
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Speaker 7: Georgia game, you know early in the season in Tennessee,

483
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Speaker 7: you know they they give it to Georgia offensively.

484
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Speaker 2: You know, they gave it to that defense, and he

485
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Speaker 2: was a big reason why. Uh.

486
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Speaker 7: When you see the highweight speed there, there's a lot

487
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Speaker 7: to get excited about. I think he's gonna be a

488
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Speaker 7: guy that's gonna be there's gonna be a lot more

489
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Speaker 7: buzz about.

490
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Speaker 2: Him leaving Indianapolis. Okay, is there do you group guys

491
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Speaker 2: like it felt last year.

492
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Speaker 3: When the Steelers were, you know, looking for that defensive

493
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Speaker 3: line help, and I think wide receiver is this year's

494
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Speaker 3: defensive line for this Teelers. They'll address it probably in

495
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Speaker 3: free agency and the draft, right, but it felt like

496
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Speaker 3: there was a group. And Matt and I were kind

497
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Speaker 3: of talking like if if the Bengals had nabbed Derek Harmon,

498
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Speaker 3: does that group now dry up? And now you're looking

499
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Speaker 3: at second round town, and what do you do? Is

500
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Speaker 3: there a dry up point in the first round? Would

501
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Speaker 3: you even evaluate this and say, look, we can get

502
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Speaker 3: a guy in the second round.

503
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Speaker 2: We feel just about as good as in the first round. Yeah.

504
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Speaker 7: And I think that you're always having It's those conversations

505
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Speaker 7: usually usually happen late March early April with teams where

506
00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,920
Speaker 7: it's all right, let's let's let's workshop this. Would you

507
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Speaker 7: rather have this pass rusher in round one with this

508
00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,320
Speaker 7: with this wide receiver in round two? Or let's flip

509
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Speaker 7: it and we're gonna have this receiver in round one

510
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:49,479
Speaker 7: with this pass rusher in round two.

511
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Speaker 2: What's the most ideal outcome?

512
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Speaker 7: I think most teams now kind of operate in terms

513
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Speaker 7: of in terms of buckets, in terms of tears. The

514
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Speaker 7: way that you the way that you described it, where

515
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Speaker 7: all right, like we've got four more receivers that we

516
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,399
Speaker 7: feel good about in this range, and we've got two

517
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,440
Speaker 7: pass rushers, and then it starts to dry up. I'm

518
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Speaker 7: just making numbers up that might try and dictate what

519
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,639
Speaker 7: your ideal path is in terms of trying to acquire

520
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Speaker 7: those guys.

521
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Speaker 2: And then free yeah, and free agency.

522
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 3: So if you go out and get Jail and nailor

523
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:16,959
Speaker 3: for example, and then you're probably looking more maybe more

524
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Speaker 3: high end.

525
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:18,480
Speaker 2: If you get Romeo.

526
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Speaker 3: Dobbs, maybe you're like, okay, we can wait till the

527
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Speaker 3: second or maybe third round. Did it dry up for

528
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Speaker 3: you in the second or third round or transition into

529
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Speaker 3: another phase of more like throwing a dart at a

530
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Speaker 3: dartboard kind of thing.

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Speaker 7: I think receiver. Honestly, I'm not looking at my stack

532
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,479
Speaker 7: right now. It's pretty meaty. When you get into like

533
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Speaker 7: round three, round four type of range. There's there's plenty

534
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:40,680
Speaker 7: names and it just comes down to like what you're

535
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Speaker 7: looking for. There's the undersized speed guys, but then there's

536
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,399
Speaker 7: like the big possession type guys. I think this this

537
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 7: draft is plentiful. I've watched thirty seven receivers so far.

538
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 7: This is this draft cycle, and it's it's it's a

539
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Speaker 7: good group.

540
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Speaker 5: So who's the best small speedy guy and who's the

541
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Speaker 5: best big guy of the category?

542
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Speaker 2: Just small speed guy.

543
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Speaker 7: I mean, I really like Casey concept she owned Yeah,

544
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 7: and he's right on the butt like to me, the

545
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 7: Steelers would be.

546
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Speaker 2: Like the ceiling in terms of draft ceiling.

547
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 7: How high he could go from Texas A and M

548
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 7: third year player, was a great punt return of this

549
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 7: past year.

550
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Speaker 2: Began his career at NC State.

551
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 7: Was was really productive right off the bus as a

552
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Speaker 7: as a high school recruit. Transferred A and M this

553
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:20,679
Speaker 7: past year and he was awesome and he was one

554
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,679
Speaker 7: of the leading receivers in college football. Dynamic inside outside

555
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 7: yards after catch. Yeah, he's had issues with drops, but

556
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Speaker 7: he's a good separator. I really like conception own in

557
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Speaker 7: terms of like pure speed.

558
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Speaker 2: Probably a goot.

559
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Speaker 7: Dean Burks. You know some people like Zacharai Branch as well.

560
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 7: Dion Burks began his career Perdue transferred to Oklahoma. Zacharai

561
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Speaker 7: Branch was at USC transfer to Georgia. Both guys I

562
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Speaker 7: mean small, we're talking like sub five ten, but they're

563
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,719
Speaker 7: gonna they're gonna be four three four two types. And

564
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 7: so you know, with with Branch, everything was screens, greens, green.

565
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 7: It was like fifty over half of his targets were screens.

566
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Speaker 4: His average up of target was insanely low.

567
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Speaker 7: Yeah, everything it was, everything was underneath. So this workout

568
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 7: will be big, not necessarily like I'm expecting to run well,

569
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 7: but what does he look like in the field work

570
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 7: when he's you know, thrown these deep balls.

571
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 2: I want to see him track it because we haven't.

572
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 2: We haven't seen him do it in college. So I'm

573
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 2: excited to see that.

574
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Speaker 6: So he's a second round guy.

575
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Speaker 7: I think, like, yeah, like the second third round, you know.

576
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 7: So again, like he's in I know mel Kiper had

577
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 7: him in first round mock draft, so it's possible, you know.

578
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 7: I personally feel like it's probably more likely he's in

579
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Speaker 7: the in the day to early day three. As far

580
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Speaker 7: as the other archetype, like the bigger body guys, I mean,

581
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 7: Denzel Boston is probably the U is probably the big

582
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 7: the big name in terms of the big body contested

583
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 7: catch type from Washington Junior questions about separation, you know

584
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 7: which you're gonna get. Malchi Fields would be another one

585
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 7: from Notre Dame. Was one of the best receivers down

586
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Speaker 7: at the Senior Bowl.

587
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Speaker 2: I've been here.

588
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 7: One of the things that Matt knows this when I

589
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 7: when I go out on the floor and talk to

590
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Speaker 7: these players for these interviews, I'm asking them about teammates,

591
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 7: guys going back to school. Because these guys are all

592
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 7: it's all scripted answers at this point, like talking about themselves,

593
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 7: so I want to hear them talk about others. I've

594
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,400
Speaker 7: been here about Malchai Field since his freshman year in Virginia.

595
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 7: Guy's just rave about like all the intangibles. He was

596
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 7: a high school quarterback who came in to move to

597
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 7: receiver and made an impact right away.

598
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 2: Play special teams.

599
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 7: He's gonna block, he's gonna do all the dirty work.

600
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 7: He's a great kid. But also like six foot four

601
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 7: and was a legit deep threat for Notre Dame this

602
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Speaker 7: past year.

603
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Speaker 4: So I love receivers with a special team background. Down tackle.

604
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you just described Chase Claypool.

605
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's the thing is like when you take the

606
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Speaker 8: when you take the the intangibles with the with Fields,

607
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 8: and you take the intangibles with with Claypool probably at

608
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Speaker 8: a little different.

609
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Speaker 6: Who was phenomenal as a rookie.

610
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Speaker 5: Yes, right, well, and I remember us raving about after

611
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 5: the draft, Oh look he covers, punch and tackles people,

612
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 5: and then he gets to Pittsburgh hit a four touchdown

613
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 5: game against the Eagles, I believe, yes, yeah, and then

614
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 5: it just went away.

615
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 2: You never know, you know, it's funny.

616
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Speaker 3: I was filling in for Bill Hillgrim before I became

617
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 3: the play by play guy. I had to fill in

618
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 3: for Bill and I called his first touchdown and I thought,

619
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Speaker 3: I wonder if this is gonna live like, you know,

620
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Speaker 3: it's gonna be camping one day and then that's gonna

621
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Speaker 3: be like.

622
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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, yeah.

623
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Speaker 3: So I have I have a question about receivers in general,

624
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 3: because this it feels like this is two years in

625
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 3: a row now in which there doesn't seem to be

626
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 3: that consensus, even though Ted McMillan I think went high

627
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 3: last year.

628
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 2: That consensus. Wow, this guy's, no doubt, Jackson Smith.

629
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Speaker 3: And Jigba who else was it was a Dunes in

630
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 3: that class or others? But anyway, more guys that you

631
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 3: felt like were Jamar Chase Stratus here. Why is it

632
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 3: there's there's great depth, but teams are throwing the ball

633
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 3: all over the place.

634
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 2: Why aren't there more legit?

635
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 3: Everybody you know, ballyheing this guy as a as a

636
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 3: future number one.

637
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that, you know JSN. I mean it

638
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 7: was obviously I'll stand in this the offense play of

639
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 7: the year. There were questions about him when he was

640
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 7: coming out because it was the the size. Is he

641
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 7: a slot receiver?

642
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 6: Only?

643
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 2: You know, like how sure?

644
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 7: So he he ended up falling outside the top ten

645
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 7: for that reason. The class that I think of was

646
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 7: the one two years ago where you had Marvin Harrison.

647
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Speaker 2: Junior, right, you had all three.

648
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, Harrison was viewed as like slam dunk. Yeah, he

649
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 7: was that guy and is underwhelmed so far. Obviously the

650
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 7: offensive quarterback, there's a it's layered there, so we'll see

651
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 7: what he looks like. This yere in a new ecosystem.

652
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 7: But neighbors like that. And that's the thing is when

653
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 7: I look at Cardinal Tate from Ohio State, He's going

654
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 7: five four, six eight in mock drafts, and I'm like,

655
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 7: I really like Cardinal Tate. I think there's a lot

656
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 7: to like about the player. He's not elite neighbors like

657
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 7: as a prospect, He's not Jamar Chase who went fin

658
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Speaker 7: fifth overall. So in terms of like what I think,

659
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 7: it's just a weird year. Next year, Ohio State's got Jeremiah.

660
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Speaker 4: Smith this conversation.

661
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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, he's a slam dunk he you know, all

662
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Speaker 7: intense purposes. He's going to be a top three pick,

663
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Speaker 7: you know. So it's just one of those things where

664
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Speaker 7: a couple of years in between.

665
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Speaker 2: Where we don't have that elite guy at the top.

666
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Speaker 4: Fran. Last thing I go for you is is there

667
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 4: a defensive tackle that could distinguish himself as the clear

668
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Speaker 4: number one and can convince me to use number twenty

669
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Speaker 4: one on I mean, I'm sure this week could go

670
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Speaker 4: a long way.

671
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Speaker 7: I mean the one would be Peter's Okay from Clemson.

672
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 7: So he was a top five player for me coming

673
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 7: into the year, and the top five player for a

674
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 7: lot of people coming in. Uh Underwell, clem Clemson a

675
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 7: overall underwhelmed this year and Clemson as a you know

676
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 7: a lot of those individual guys like did not meet expectation.

677
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 7: I would say with a lot of them, you watch them,

678
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 7: like the level of play didn't fall off, right, Like

679
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 7: it's the same kind of guy, but we know Sacks

680
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 7: can be fickle. Yeah, he got a bunch of hurries,

681
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 7: he didn't get home.

682
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 2: Whatever. Uh, the coverage wasn't great in the back end.

683
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 7: When I watched Peter Woods, he wasn't as strong as

684
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 7: an with an anchor at the point of attack. There's

685
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 7: been a lot made in the last couple of weeks

686
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 7: about it. You know, he did he cut weight, you know, purposely,

687
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 7: and so he was.

688
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 4: A little more of enough field guy though.

689
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 2: Right.

690
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Speaker 7: Yeah, But last year when I watched him as a sophomore,

691
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 7: I mean he was he was like two way, like

692
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Speaker 7: a dominant player. I comped him to Tommy Harris. Wow,

693
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Speaker 7: Like I loved Tommy Harris when he was with the Bears, Like, uh, yeah,

694
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Speaker 7: this is a guy that I think that had that

695
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Speaker 7: ability to be a dominant interior presence. When I watched

696
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 7: him this year, the anchor got worse. But then even

697
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 7: like the effort and urgency like waned late late in

698
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 7: the year. So come here, if you're gonna be light,

699
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 7: you're gonna be that upfield disruptor. If he blows the

700
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 7: doors off the testing, then we're probably talking about him,

701
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 7: like you know, now we're back in I think with

702
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 7: Banks's and I really liked Kayleb Banks. He was the

703
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 7: top fifteen guy coming from the end of the year.

704
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 7: He so he had a basically with with Kayleb Banks.

705
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 7: Began his career at Louisville, transfers to Florida, became a

706
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 7: starter run defender first. And it's actually funny, I wrote

707
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 7: last summer, I was like, I wonder if he could

708
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 7: be this year's Derek Harmon where you know he comes

709
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 7: in and it was like the stars the line he

710
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 7: takes off as a rusher because watching him last year,

711
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 7: great run defender and the pass rush got a little

712
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 7: bit better as the season went on, but it was

713
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 7: he it wasn't quite there. I'm excited upward trend. Well,

714
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 7: he got hurt at the end of the season, last

715
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Speaker 7: game of the regular season, missed the bowl game, missed

716
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 7: all of spring ball, had surgery. Gets into the summer,

717
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 7: it was kind of lingering. They weren't sure he's gonna

718
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 7: be able to go miss the first two games. Came

719
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 7: back for LSU, suffered another foot injury, so I had

720
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Speaker 7: to get another surgery. So I'm talking about an older player,

721
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 7: twenty four years old, late breakout. Athleticism was good, but

722
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 7: not like special lack of production three hundred and twenty

723
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 7: plus pounds.

724
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: With foot stuff.

725
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 4: Yeah right, bowl wasn't bad, that's the thing.

726
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 6: Yeah.

727
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, So he fights back, comes back to play for

728
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 7: Florida even though they fired the coach. The team wasn't great,

729
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 7: So you love that goes to the senior ball. I

730
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 7: thought he had a solid week down there on Mobile.

731
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 7: If he comes out here and he has a great week,

732
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 7: that could help him. But I don't know that he'll

733
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 7: get up to like top fifteen, where maybe I was

734
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 7: hoping before all this injury stuff really came to the front.

735
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 3: You know, I think that with this year, they're sitting

736
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 3: at twenty one and we're talking about this and we're

737
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 3: looking at their roster overall. To me, it doesn't look

738
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,719
Speaker 3: like a roster with outside of the wide receiver position,

739
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 3: absolutely glaring needs. It would be wonderful if you could

740
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 3: put yourself in a position where you would have a luxury.

741
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 3: Maybe you re signed the Sante Seamuel and Pierre and

742
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 3: that obviates the need to have to get a corner.

743
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 3: Maybe you sign a Romeo Dives. You don't have to

744
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 3: get a receiver if you're twenty one. Is there a

745
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 3: position you think that a player that might be Okay,

746
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 3: we don't have to take him, but he could be

747
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 3: the kind of difference maker we'd like to take because

748
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 3: other teams in front of you are going to be

749
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 3: drafting for need.

750
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 4: I think about the WHO safeties. Yeah, that's maybe the kid.

751
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 2: And Emmanuel McNeil Warren.

752
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 7: We know, like Matt, you know, and I've had this

753
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 7: conversation in the past, like the Steelers have historically been

754
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 7: a big school program, but when they go into the

755
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 7: lower levels, it's typically people with guys within their footprint,

756
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 7: within lego connection, and I think of Emmanuel McNeil Warren

757
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 7: as a guy like honestly, when you que Mitchell is

758
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 7: coming out, I was like, I watched Pittsburgh Qui Mitchell

759
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 7: for that same reason.

760
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 2: I was saying, I'm looking.

761
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 3: At the even as a safety and then you just

762
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 3: be really good, there's another guy.

763
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 2: There's another guy.

764
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 7: Thea mientdal test Well. I'm excited to see what he

765
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 7: looks like here this week. You know, Patrick Queen's entering

766
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 7: a entering a Uh, it's a good line.

767
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 2: You're not gonna get sunny styles. Probably not getting suny styles.

768
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 7: I can't imagine you can following past like Tampa, you know, really,

769
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 7: I mean, he's gonna go to Dallas would be my

770
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 7: would be my best guess. But look looking at looking

771
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 7: at the rest of the depth chart.

772
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 3: Here, because I'd like to see this, dude, you get

773
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 3: and even if it's off position like like safety, although

774
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 3: debt's becoming more in vogue. I mean, the judents have

775
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 3: done a great job of getting guys like to Castro

776
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 3: and and Fanica, you know, great players at positions that

777
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 3: aren't necessarily valued, like say offensive tackle or or corner

778
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 3: or receiver ar.

779
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

780
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 7: And that's the thing is that, uh you can and

781
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 7: I know that there are people, you know, people in

782
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 7: that building. I believe this like building inside out, investing

783
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 7: in the trenches.

784
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 2: Oh, d line like that that is the way to go.

785
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 7: And in terms of building a sustainable winner, And so

786
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 7: I would never rule that out.

787
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 2: I think is there an offensive tackle maybe, Oh.

788
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 7: There's there's I think to me, like in right where

789
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 7: they are, that's like that's a fruitful area.

790
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 2: For offensive tackle.

791
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 4: Interesting, you know, the state guard could be their guard.

792
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: I think ya would make a lot of sense.

793
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 7: I think that he's a guard only, so that's that

794
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 7: might have impacted the value for some He's not a

795
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 7: guy that I think you're kicking out to tackle.

796
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 2: He's not. He's not really snapped in the.

797
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 4: Past, so he'd left guard the next ten years exactly.

798
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 2: Right, which is fine with me. Right, Like if you

799
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 2: make a couple of Pro Bowls. You mentioned to Castro

800
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:14,479
Speaker 2: like that that's kind of the artide.

801
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that when you're looking at that tackle though,

802
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 7: Monroe Freeling from Georgia, I think you look at Caleb

803
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 7: Lomu from Utah. You look at Maxi Hanachore from Arizona State.

804
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,719
Speaker 4: He infatuates men put him at guard for a year

805
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 4: or whatever. Just learn.

806
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 7: Honestly, when I watched him in the summer, I envisioned

807
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 7: like this exact path where it was like, hey, you

808
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 7: know what, like it's the because all right, so he

809
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 7: didn't play football high school, didn't play it, didn't play

810
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 7: until he got to junior college. So he plays it

811
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 7: in junior college, then it gets recruited by Arizona State.

812
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 7: I wasn't like soccer, allowed to soccer basketball.

813
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 6: Yeah.

814
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 2: He came over from I want to say from Nigeria.

815
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, as a kid and so didn't play football, learned

816
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 7: how to the first season junior college, he learns how

817
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 7: to put his pads on in, tie his cleaves there.

818
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 7: They throw him in, They throw them on the field.

819
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 7: They're like, uh, block that guy. Uh gets recruited immediate

820
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 7: four or five star jew CO recruit and special unbelievable athlete.

821
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 7: Yeah at six five, three hundred twenty pounds. I'm like,

822
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 7: all right, Like the film is gonna be up and

823
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 7: down again because it was his third year starting this year.

824
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 7: But man, he's gonna go to the Senior Bowl. He's

825
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 7: gonna flash there. He's gonna go to the combine and

826
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 7: blow the doors off the combine and then he's gonna

827
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 7: be he's gonna be a first round pick.

828
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 4: Right envisioned him like the Steelers left guard and then

829
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 4: the left tackle next year.

830
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 2: You know, right, he's and I'll tell you what, man.

831
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 7: Like the question that people are gonna have was like, oh,

832
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 7: you could basketball soccer?

833
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 2: Like is he tough enough?

834
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:26,239
Speaker 6: Uh?

835
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 7: He scrapped with every guy that he.

836
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 2: Went up against. Him bobile and yeah.

837
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 7: If you had, if you had questions about that, I

838
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 7: think that that would well some of those concerns.

839
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 4: We should probably let him go. We could talk to

840
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 4: him for hours, an hour.

841
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 3: We could, and we're we're grateful the time you spent

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Speaker 3: and Matt Williamson rolling the guests through the experts in

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Speaker 3: the draft field.

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Speaker 2: Alongside Matt Williamson is an expert in the draft.

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Speaker 4: I saved a few good ones for the drive later

882
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Speaker 4: with Wes too. So tuned, stay tuned in.

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Speaker 6: It's really fascinating stuff and got a good plugger.

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Speaker 2: But just being a little selfish.

885
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Speaker 4: Well, they're a little sad that I grabbed COSL. COSL

886
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 4: is usually a drive over.

887
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Speaker 2: So they're both so good.

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Speaker 5: Funny thought just talking to Tyler and West off air

889
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Speaker 5: here while we were breaking. We're getting these expert analysts

890
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Speaker 5: and they obviously have their bona fides and their credentials,

891
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Speaker 5: and they're very good at what they do, and they

892
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Speaker 5: have differences of opinion on these Yeah, this is so

893
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Speaker 5: all over the place.

894
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Speaker 3: And by the way, you know how fortunate we are

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Speaker 3: to have the guy sitting in between us. He's one

896
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Speaker 3: of those guys too. I know, he's one of those

897
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Speaker 3: guys that other people want on their shows to talk

898
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Speaker 3: about what we're asking these guys about.

899
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Speaker 4: But you open the show like Williams and doesn't bring

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Speaker 4: any notes, like, well, we get a guest for thirty

901
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Speaker 4: five minutes, we don't need who needs notes? Tune them up?

902
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Speaker 6: Yeah, but they're you know, friends.

903
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Speaker 5: Opening his laptop and going through it out, he's great notes.

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Speaker 2: Greg wasn't. Greg was just like I got I gotta go.

905
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So one of the things that we're talking about, and

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Speaker 3: i'd like to conclude, uh, this portion of our coverage

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Speaker 3: with this Mike and Matt and I have talked a

909
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Speaker 3: little bit about this is what kind of that calls

910
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Speaker 3: it the nest? What kind of nest is built for

911
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 3: a for a quarterback of the future we're talking about.

912
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Speaker 3: The reason I'm talking and bringing up yone and offensive

913
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Speaker 3: lineman is because I look at the team and I'm thinking, Okay,

914
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Speaker 3: two good tight ends. We know Jalen Warren for sure,

915
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Speaker 3: maybe Gainwell comes back, but you have a guy who's

916
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Speaker 3: been a third round pick on If you can shore

917
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Speaker 3: up the offensive line and Nabb or receiver, it seems

918
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Speaker 3: to me a growing good young offensive line.

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Speaker 2: This is a This is.

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Speaker 3: A I think a way better, way better position for

921
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Speaker 3: a young quarterback to be dropped into this year or next,

922
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 3: or whenever that may be. Then I think a lot

923
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Speaker 3: of people nationally and some locally give credit for.

924
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Speaker 5: I would agree with the asterisk of they got a

925
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Speaker 5: fixed receiver right for sure. And I don't care how

926
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Speaker 5: they do it if it's drafting two, if it's signing

927
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Speaker 5: two and drafting one. But this has been a two

928
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Speaker 5: year discussion here, yeah, and it has been addressed both

929
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Speaker 5: of those years. It just has not been adequately addressed well.

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Speaker 2: When they traded George Pickens.

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Speaker 3: I almost felt like, Okay, they're gonna They're definitely gonna

932
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Speaker 3: add somebody now because there's been a lot of smoke

933
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Speaker 3: and no fire. Iyuk and other guys that they've been

934
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Speaker 3: talking about, top quality guys, and I don't think it

935
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Speaker 3: was for lack of trying. They just couldn't find a

936
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Speaker 3: way to haul that guy in.

937
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Speaker 5: Well, they also brought a guy in last year wo

938
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Speaker 5: didn't make it out of training camp, a veteran guy.

939
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Speaker 2: I don't remember who that was.

940
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Speaker 4: Robert Woods, right or Robert Woods true?

941
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Speaker 2: I mean he was the last year or two years ago?

942
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Speaker 2: Was that last year?

943
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 4: That seems so long ago?

944
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 2: But right, right, maybe not long ago?

945
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Speaker 4: Maybe probably No, you're probably wide receiver.

946
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 5: Whatever year it happened, it happened like right, yeah, gotta

947
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 5: be better evaluating these guys, right, well, gotta be I think,

948
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 5: got to be better at pulling that trade off.

949
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 6: If that's what you're trying.

950
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Speaker 2: They have to they have to invest in it. So

951
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Speaker 2: so I thought it was.

952
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Speaker 5: Telling uh Omar a couple of times yesterday was that

953
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Speaker 5: specifically about wide receiver, and he said, well, hey, we

954
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Speaker 5: got to be better everywhere weren't good enough, like he

955
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Speaker 5: just deflected out of that like he did not want

956
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Speaker 5: to go there.

957
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Speaker 3: I think he knows I would be so last year,

958
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 3: I think you know, and I've said this a couple

959
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 3: of times on these airways, I think wide receiver is

960
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 3: this year's defensive line. So last year defensive line, they

961
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 3: signed a quality. They drafted two guys that even brought

962
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 3: in in Atomy Wall, who wound up playing meaningful snaps

963
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 3: for him as a seventh eighth defensive lineman.

964
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Speaker 2: Don't forget Dean Lowry was there and got hurt.

965
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Speaker 6: Would have made the team.

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Speaker 3: I think would have made the team. So they dress

967
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Speaker 3: that issue. I think it's gonna be I think, as

968
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Speaker 3: they do the evaluations right now, you have skronic as

969
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,439
Speaker 3: you're probably your sixth guy in an ideal world who

970
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Speaker 3: can play special teams. I don't know where Roman Wilson

971
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 3: fits into that, but but if if he's in that

972
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Speaker 3: top five and DKs in that top five, that means

973
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Speaker 3: by definition.

974
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Speaker 2: You need three guys.

975
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Speaker 3: Yes, so and I would be shocked and they didn't

976
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Speaker 3: talk to somebody in free agency.

977
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Speaker 5: I'm not talking about let's take Antonio Brown in the

978
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 5: sixth round and let them developed for a couple of years.

979
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm talking about a guy that's gonna play

980
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 5: three guys that are going to play snaps well.

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Speaker 3: And I also think that much like in all positions.

982
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 3: So we're talking about guard, that yone. Right, Well, if

983
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 3: you go out and sign a young guard and who's

984
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 3: the who's the guy for the Chargers, Quintin Johnson, Uh right,

985
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 3: Johnson Johnson, you sign him, then that's you're project. You're

986
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 3: not looking at You're not looking at guard in the

987
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 3: draft anymore. You're looking at the guard. Now what it does.

988
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Speaker 3: You might still be looking at the guard, but you're

989
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 3: looking at that guard in the third or fourth round.

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00:39:59,680 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 6: Gosh.

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Speaker 2: Uh you know.

992
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 3: So, I think it's the same thing with receiver. If

993
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Speaker 3: you go out and sign Romeo Dobbs, for example, then

994
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 3: you probably don't need to take a receiver in the

995
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Speaker 3: first round. That you could if you love him. But

996
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,720
Speaker 3: if you go out and sign say Jalen Naylor, who's

997
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,479
Speaker 3: been attached to this year, he would think.

998
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 6: More certainly solve all of their problems at wide receiver.

999
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 2: Jalen Naylor. Yes, you think so. I was I was

1000
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Speaker 2: looking at I was looking.

1001
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 3: At somebody's tears and somebody had him as a kind

1002
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 3: of a borderline starter, you know, good, good depth, rotational piece.

1003
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 3: So I'm using that name based on that event, right,

1004
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 3: based on that evaluation. Maybe there's more there, but if

1005
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 3: you get a guy you think of as a three

1006
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 3: slash four, then you better get a receiver in the

1007
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Speaker 3: first or second round.

1008
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Speaker 6: And continue on your point.

1009
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 5: If we get some good news health wise on broaderick Jones, right,

1010
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 5: that makes tackle less of them exactly right.

1011
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 4: Priority right, exactly right. Listening to fran Oh, there's a

1012
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 4: lot of that that'll be appealing. I never would turn

1013
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 4: my nose up at that's a sweet spot, right right,

1014
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 4: And Ackles could be your left guard for a year

1015
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 4: and then replaced.

1016
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,720
Speaker 5: If the first you don't succeed, Like right, you replaced

1017
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 5: your first round tackle, the first round tackle.

1018
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 6: I'm that jill that builds the quarterback mess for well,

1019
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 6: whatever is the.

1020
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 2: Quarterback that's exactly right?

1021
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 3: When is when is the deadline for having the tender

1022
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 3: guy for that for that fifty.

1023
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 6: I'm not even thinking about the tender.

1024
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 4: There's no chance Roder he's not getting.

1025
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 6: But he's under contract for this year, I mean this year.

1026
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:27,959
Speaker 6: He's gonna play this year if he can play.

1027
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 3: But again, if you go out so and and Matt

1028
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 3: and I were talking about this yesterday while you were writing.

1029
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 3: But if you go out and let's say you let's

1030
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 3: just say you resigned Isaac Ciamalo. Okay, you bring back

1031
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 3: both of your corners. Just talking about your own guys.

1032
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 3: You just make those moves. You don't make any cuts

1033
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 3: of people. You know, you don't cut Jalen Rams, you

1034
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 3: don't cut Patrick Queen. Right, you know, where are your needs? Well,

1035
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 3: your needs why you know you signed Romeo adopts where

1036
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 3: your needs? You might be able to take in the

1037
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 3: first round a guy at multiple positions who you think

1038
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 3: can be a star player because you've sort of scrubbed

1039
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 3: out some of those absolute top things that you had

1040
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 3: to have.

1041
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 4: So in terms of offensive nests, how we opened the conversation,

1042
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 4: I can't envision the world even if they traded for

1043
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 4: a J. Brown, where I would not use one of

1044
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 4: my first two picks on a wide receiver. And these

1045
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 4: last couple of draft analysts we've talked to, there's gonna

1046
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 4: be somebody you like, yeah, yeah, you know, like definite

1047
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 4: first fishing in that water.

1048
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 3: So if it's a second, but if you go out

1049
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 3: and get a guy where you feel like, okay, we

1050
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 3: can now go second round pick.

1051
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 2: We've we've lessened to need a little bit absolutely power.

1052
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 3: That first round you could you could say, hey, listen,

1053
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:38,240
Speaker 3: we think this guy is another the Castro or another star.

1054
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 4: Player, guy that fall in love with the safeties or whatever.

1055
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 3: Safety like that where you say, you know, right, we're

1056
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 3: talking about offensive line, because we're talking about offense, but

1057
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 3: one of these safeties. We're like, hey, man, we don't

1058
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 3: this guy doesn't have to be a star. Writer Troy

1059
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 3: Paula Malla was not a star right away. No, right

1060
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 3: his second year he was a star, but his first

1061
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 3: year he wasn't.

1062
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 6: He was part of the problem as a rookie.

1063
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 5: So so he once told me he should have been

1064
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 5: voted an MVP for the other team as a rookie,

1065
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 5: as every game as a rookie.

1066
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 3: Well, so that's that's what I'm saying. You could position

1067
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 3: yourself for something like that, which I think.

1068
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 4: Is truly best available.

1069
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 2: Right.

1070
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 3: One of the fascinating parts of what could happen between

1071
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 3: now and then, and one of the fascinating parts when

1072
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 3: we and we'll dive into this more in the next

1073
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 3: couple of days. When you talk about the nest that's there,

1074
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 3: I just don't see massive gaping holes accepted wide receiver.

1075
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, the other be addressed with three bodies.

1076
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,439
Speaker 4: The other three real guys seared.

1077
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 5: In my brain since talking to Fran when he compared

1078
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 5: Brasel to uh Bryant m P. I think forget how

1079
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 5: good he was. He could have been phenomenalcause of the

1080
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 5: way it ended.

1081
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean six or five guy that can fly, that.

1082
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 4: Can fly in his body control and yeah, more police,

1083
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 4: yes right now? Cool, that works for me. Last note

1084
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 4: on the nest, I'm probably drafting two non center offensive linemen.

1085
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 4: One of them might be a fifth round pack, right,

1086
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 4: but it's a third round tackle that is from a

1087
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 4: small school that needs to get stronger, and the guard.

1088
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 2: Right.

1089
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 4: You know, I just want one extra of those guys

1090
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 4: all the time.

1091
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 3: I totally agree with you, and I do think that

1092
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 3: there's every possibility that they will draft a defensive lineman

1093
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 3: and uh A an offensive lineman by the time day

1094
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,760
Speaker 3: two is finished, to have each one of those guys.

1095
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 2: I'm just saying. I'm just pointing out that because it goes.

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Speaker 3: We're at the combine and we're talking about the draft,

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Speaker 3: but don't forget free agency comes first. Signing your own

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Speaker 3: players comes first. Tons of caps, right, you have tons

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Speaker 3: of cap space. You could create more that that. It's

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Speaker 3: it's they.

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Speaker 2: They could put themselves in a very fascinating position.

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Speaker 4: And I suspect this conversation would be a lot different

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Speaker 4: on draft DAYA.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that what I'm outlining is all that

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Speaker 3: outrageous to suggest as might happen and now and now

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Speaker 3: that opens up a world of pod.

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Speaker 2: Hey, you know we love this wide receiver.

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Speaker 3: Okay, great, Now we have three receivers we feel really

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Speaker 3: good about in Roman Wilson and and somebody else.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna pop in the fifth round.

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Speaker 3: No one is ever thrown their hands up in the

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Speaker 3: air and said we got no chance.

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Speaker 2: We got too many good players. Yeah, nobody.

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Speaker 3: All right, he is Mike Persuda, Matt Williamson, I'm rob

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Speaker 3: King stepping aside briefly for a little while. We're gonna

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Speaker 3: have Jerry Dulac And what, Matt, are you still here? No?

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Speaker 4: I come back at two and close up till five.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so West, I think it's gonna be running off

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Speaker 3: to do a quick interview then I will be back

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Speaker 3: to rejoin the festivities here at Indianapolis the Indiana Convention Center,

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Speaker 3: and our coverage will continue on the Steelers Radio Network,

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Speaker 3: a part of the Steelers Audio Network,