Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,
Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of
Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Bernie Sanders held his largest rally
Speaker 1: yet in Los.
Speaker 2: Angeles to over thirty six thousand people. We have such
Speaker 2: a great show for you today. The Lincoln Project's own
Speaker 2: Rick Wilson joins us to talk about Trump's inability to
Speaker 2: make America great again again. Then we'll talk to Senate
Speaker 2: Minority Leader Chuck Schumer about his plans to fight and
Speaker 2: kill the Save Act.
Speaker 3: But first the news, Samali Uh, The big news over
Speaker 3: the weekend is Trump had these tariffs that were going
Speaker 3: to be real hardcore, and then it turned out there's
Speaker 3: a whole lot of carve outs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well there are carve outs. And then so on
Speaker 2: Friday night, Donald Trump he had said he was going
Speaker 2: to do a trade war. Then he started a trade war.
Speaker 2: Then perhaps he got a phone call. Perhaps he got
Speaker 2: a phone call from one Tim Apple. You may remember
Speaker 2: Tim Apple. He's a man who makes a lot of
Speaker 2: cell phones and computers and laptops. Because late Friday night,
Speaker 2: Trump announced that cell phones, chips, and laptops will get
Speaker 2: a reprieve from tariffs oh, interesting. So the only thing
Speaker 2: that's going to really get tariffs are toys, goods, and clothing. Now,
Speaker 2: let me add that. On Sunday, on the Sunday Shows,
Speaker 2: Trump's Commerce Secretary, or as we like to think of him,
Speaker 2: a nice guy who got where things went a little
Speaker 2: too far, a man named Howard Lutnick.
Speaker 4: Said, So, you're saying that the the tariffs on things
Speaker 4: like smartphones and laptops, iPhones, all those iPhones built in China,
Speaker 4: that those tariffs are temporarily off, but they're going to
Speaker 4: be coming break back on in another form in a.
Speaker 5: Month or so or what are you saying?
Speaker 6: Correct? That's right, that's right.
Speaker 7: Semi conductors and pharmaceuticals will have a tariff model in
Speaker 7: order to encourage them to rea sure to be built
Speaker 7: in America. We need our medicines, and we need semiconductors
Speaker 7: and our electronics to be built in America. We can't
Speaker 7: be the holding and rely upon foreign countries for fundamental
Speaker 7: things that we need. We can't be relying on China
Speaker 7: for fundamental things.
Speaker 2: I can't hear any more of that because it makes
Speaker 2: me really upset. But let me just say two things here.
Speaker 2: The whole point was that markets started freaking out because
Speaker 2: Trump World was back and forth, first of all, because
Speaker 2: Trump World was fourth with the tariffs. But then the
Speaker 2: back and forth created more uncertainty, which is what sent
Speaker 2: the price of our bonds down and made it more
Speaker 2: expensive to borrow money in this country because all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, foreign investors don't think of US as a
Speaker 2: safe haven they used to think of us as. Now
Speaker 2: we have the Commerce Secretary on the Sunday shows music
Speaker 2: about putting back the tariffs, and by the way, there's
Speaker 2: still tariffs. Sunshine is still just not with the cutout,
Speaker 2: and also teariffs on Canada and Mexico. And here's the
Speaker 2: Commerce Secretary being like, well, maybe we'll do it anyway.
Speaker 2: This is all bad and will be bad. And I
Speaker 2: am not a psychic, but my guess is that both
Speaker 2: the bond markets and the public markets will not like
Speaker 2: this tomfoolery.
Speaker 8: Now, there's this very viral TikTok this week, and one
Speaker 8: of the most popular ones that showed person in China
Speaker 8: showing how many things in their house are made in
Speaker 8: America and the inswun and the conswers none, and then
Speaker 8: they're like, how many products are made in China in
Speaker 8: your house. And I think that put a fine point
Speaker 8: on it.
Speaker 2: Well, I want the people of Latoussu in Africa buy
Speaker 2: more Chevy suburbans.
Speaker 6: Somali.
Speaker 8: There's been a very big dispute with the governor of Maine,
Speaker 8: Janet Mills and mister Trump, and the courts are now
Speaker 8: getting involved.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and let me tell you here's what's going to happen.
Speaker 2: Trump is going to lose. Trump administration order to unfreeze
Speaker 2: fund in dispute with Maine over transgender students. This is
Speaker 2: what Janet Mills. By the way, there are people who
Speaker 2: stand up to Trump and they are heroes. There are
Speaker 2: people who acquiesce to Trump and they are cowards. That
Speaker 2: is it. There is no equating here. You are either
Speaker 2: brave or you are a coward. You are either a
Speaker 2: law firm that makes a deal with the Trump administration
Speaker 2: or you are a law firm that is brave. And
Speaker 2: if you are a person who works in one of
Speaker 2: these cowardly law firms, you know, I pity you because
Speaker 2: you don't have to do that. Trump administration is going
Speaker 2: to lose in court. Janet Mills is going to win.
Speaker 2: You can't punish an entire or state by not letting
Speaker 2: them have the money that is theirs. And by the way,
Speaker 2: this is just eroding federalism. I mean, he is just
Speaker 2: picking on states. And by the way, there are governors
Speaker 2: who run who have done a really good job of
Speaker 2: standing up to Trump. They are Janet Mills, they are
Speaker 2: Tim Walls, they are Pritzker, Governor Pritzker. And then there
Speaker 2: are governors who have gone in there and kissed the
Speaker 2: ring and ended up having to hide behind a folder.
Speaker 2: You know who you are.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was sad.
Speaker 8: So speaking of other governors, Oh, this really breaks my
Speaker 8: heart that he had to go through this. Governor Shapiro
Speaker 8: and his family were evacuated after someone apparently tried to
Speaker 8: set fire to the governor's residence in Harrisburg.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't know the circumstances yet, but it's not
Speaker 2: good and it is really not how any of us
Speaker 2: want to live, and it's not how any of us
Speaker 2: need to live. Right. What we need is we need
Speaker 2: our electeds and including the President of the United States
Speaker 2: Donald J. Trump, saying to people that they should not
Speaker 2: do anything violent, that everything should be peaceful, that we
Speaker 2: should all be very focused on resolving our differences with
Speaker 2: words and not with anything else. It's really disappointing to
Speaker 2: see stuff like this. Again, we don't know what it was,
Speaker 2: so perhaps it was some kind of mechanical saying, and
Speaker 2: let's all hope it was.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 8: So, in really really despicable, despicable news, the new FEMA
Speaker 8: head has denied North Carolina's REQUESTICS at one hundred percent
Speaker 8: reimburson for Hurricane Helene's damage.
Speaker 2: I think it's important to remember that Hurricane Helene was
Speaker 2: used by Trump world right. They said that Biden wasn't
Speaker 2: giving people the stuff they needed. They said that Biden
Speaker 2: was slow rolling FEMA because it was a red district. Okay, Well,
Speaker 2: now Trump is president and he is saying the Federal
Speaker 2: Emergency Management Agency will end its one hundred percent match
Speaker 2: for Helena's disaster recovery in North Carolina. The need in
Speaker 2: western North Carolina remains immense. People need to be removed,
Speaker 2: homes rebuilt, and roads restored, said Governor Josh Stein in
Speaker 2: a news release. I'm extremely disappointed and urged the President
Speaker 2: to reconsider FEMA's bad decision, even for ninety day. Six
Speaker 2: months later, the people of western North Carolina are working
Speaker 2: hard to get back on their feet. They need FEMA
Speaker 2: to get the job done. Well, guess what Donald Trump
Speaker 2: is amusing about getting rid of FEMA. So that'll mean
Speaker 2: the next one of these that happens, there'll be no
Speaker 2: one to help, and that would be really, really dark.
Speaker 2: And I think it's probably worth remembering that Donald Trump
Speaker 2: lied about Biden and this hurricane, and now he is
Speaker 2: president and we're seeing just the kind of stuff he
Speaker 2: was doing for FEMA, and it was honestly nothing good.
Speaker 2: Rick Wilson is the founder of the Lincoln Project in
Speaker 2: the host of the Enemy's List Welcome Back, Too Fast Politics.
Speaker 6: Rick Wilson, Hey, Emily, how are you today?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 6: Just great job, great spiffing, Thank you, lovely, darling.
Speaker 2: Things are going really great. I don't even know where
Speaker 2: to start the disappearing the grad students, or the Trump
Speaker 2: versus this room board, or the tear of chaos.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a lot of a lot of a lot
Speaker 6: right now.
Speaker 2: Where where do we even start?
Speaker 6: Honestly, I think we start where the thing that will
Speaker 6: be the controlling factor on everything else is the economic chaos.
Speaker 6: And if it continues, we are going to be in
Speaker 6: a point where Trump won't have to worry about trying
Speaker 6: to disappear more grad students or fire more Social Security
Speaker 6: workers because it will be outright, you know, people living
Speaker 6: in the radioactive ruins, eating roasted rats over a fire.
Speaker 6: We're not out of the economic woods yet, even though
Speaker 6: he has continued to back out of his tough talk
Speaker 6: bullshit in the last few days.
Speaker 2: Yeah, President GI clearly wants to make a phone call.
Speaker 2: He just doesn't know how.
Speaker 6: He doesn't have a phone.
Speaker 2: You know, he clearly wants to work this out, poor man.
Speaker 2: He just doesn't now.
Speaker 6: Those unsophisticated chinaman or whatever Trump would call them in
Speaker 6: his racist way.
Speaker 2: And then last night he went to a fight in Miami.
Speaker 6: Because yeah, as one does, he's.
Speaker 2: Laser focused on the damage he is causing. And Bernie
Speaker 2: Sanders was giving a big speech in California and at Cochella.
Speaker 2: And why you know it's working is because the New
Speaker 2: York Post was furious at Bernie.
Speaker 5: Uh huh.
Speaker 6: Yeah. You can always count on the rupert barometers of Fox,
Speaker 6: the New York Post, the Wall Street Journal to play
Speaker 6: the middle brow, lowbrow and highbrow maga action.
Speaker 2: Okay, highbrow is the Wall Street Journal. Middlebrow is the
Speaker 2: New York Post because it's still being read and lowbrow
Speaker 2: is Fox?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 6: Correct? I say that saying there's not a lot of
Speaker 6: gap between the low and the middle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, but it is a good point.
Speaker 2: And like this week, what we saw was that highbrow
Speaker 2: Fox aka the Wall Street Journal ed page was toying
Speaker 2: with the possibility that maybe he should be impeached on
Speaker 2: the tariffs. That was a headline for the Ages. Baby.
Speaker 6: The idea that causing enormous economic damage to the country
Speaker 6: is an impeachable offense is one that honestly is closer
Speaker 6: to legitimacy than you know. We don't like Donald Trump,
Speaker 6: and I do think that there's a degree to which Trump's,
Speaker 6: you know, standing on the deck of the Titanic right now,
Speaker 6: as he keeps trying to look he understands how badly
Speaker 6: he screwed this up. He's trying to back and fill,
Speaker 6: he's trying to get out of it, he's trying to whatever.
Speaker 6: But this problem isn't over. China and other countries are
Speaker 6: dumping US treasuries right now, folks y, Yeah, right now.
Speaker 2: So let's just backpedal for a minute and talk about
Speaker 2: what happened here. Trump decided that the economy was good,
Speaker 2: and that Joe Biden had left him a really good
Speaker 2: opportunity to look good. So he decided, instead of doing
Speaker 2: all he needed to do was good, continued disappearing grad students.
Speaker 2: He could continue flouting the rule of law. All he
Speaker 2: needed to do, he could continue installing in autocracy. All
Speaker 2: he needed to do was not crash the public markets.
Speaker 2: And you damn you if you try to tell my
Speaker 2: man Donald Trump not to do something.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, you know what I'm going to tell Donald he
Speaker 6: should definitely not take up base jumping, because at this point, no,
Speaker 6: you're molly, But that's exactly the point. There's a literary term.
Speaker 6: He has the imp of the perverse on his shoulder.
Speaker 6: He's always going to do the thing everyone goes, hey,
Speaker 6: that's a really terrible idea, sir. He will always go
Speaker 6: and do that thing. He will always go and say, well,
Speaker 6: if they say I can't shoot elon into the sun
Speaker 6: on a rocket, I'm definitely going to do is try.
Speaker 2: He says, we're going to bring back manufacturing, or we're
Speaker 2: going to raise a ton of money with tariffs or whatever.
Speaker 2: We're going to bring it back to smooth holly. Because
Speaker 2: I've heard that the Great depression was great for wealthy
Speaker 2: white guys. So he decides he's going to do this.
Speaker 2: No one in his North Korean style cabinet it has
Speaker 2: any courage because they've all gotten their jobs because they're cowards.
Speaker 2: So they all say, yes, Master, can I please have another?
Speaker 2: He crashes the public market day after day after day,
Speaker 2: and finally when it becomes clear that the dollar is
Speaker 2: possibly not going to be the reserve currency anymore because Americans,
Speaker 2: instead of selling stocks and going into bonds, are selling
Speaker 2: stocks and going into their mattresses or other countries or
Speaker 2: who even knows what Donald Trump is like watching Maria
Speaker 2: barda Roma interview Jamie Diamond and Jamie Diamond. Now again,
Speaker 2: we don't know if it was just as Jamie Diamond
Speaker 2: interview or it was a whole slew of different who knows.
Speaker 2: But the point is, whatever it was, was the moment
Speaker 2: that Donald Trump was like, ooh, maybe I have overplayed
Speaker 2: my hand here.
Speaker 6: This is what I call the Tiajuana weekend moment.
Speaker 2: I love that you have the ti i Wana weekend moment,
Speaker 2: because oh I didn't I have.
Speaker 6: A Tijuana weekend story including so much bad stuff. But
Speaker 6: but but the Tijuana weekend story is this. On Thursday,
Speaker 6: you're like, we're going to Tija Wan. It's going to
Speaker 6: be awesome. And then by Friday afternoon you're like, this
Speaker 6: is going to be the best thing ever, and you
Speaker 6: start drinking. And sometimes Saturday, at mid afternoon you wake
Speaker 6: up in a car covered in vomit and there might
Speaker 6: or might not be a dead hooker in the trunk,
Speaker 6: and you start having regrets, and then you start we.
Speaker 2: Say, sex worker, sex worker, a dead sex worker. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's if I have nothing else. Okay, go on.
Speaker 6: But the problem at that point is then you have
Speaker 6: to flee the country. Then you have to figure out
Speaker 6: how to bury a dead sex worker in the desert. Yes,
Speaker 6: all these things add up quickly, and you're like, oh God,
Speaker 6: is there something I don't know? But all of that
Speaker 6: starts to accumulate quickly, and it's just like a car crash.
Speaker 6: A car crash only takes one second, but after the crash,
Speaker 6: we're covering in the hospital, fixing the car, dealing with
Speaker 6: the legal consequences. All of it takes forever. He has
Speaker 6: already caused the damage to go on and on and
Speaker 6: on it will continue. At this point, China is choking
Speaker 6: off American exports around the globe.
Speaker 2: Yes, they are.
Speaker 6: They are doing everything they can.
Speaker 2: Those guys fuck. In case you're wondering, chief focks, what
Speaker 2: are the pooh fucks? Yeah, there, We're in a lot
Speaker 2: of trouble with the chick. This is not going well.
Speaker 6: Look, they're going to start selling energy across the Pacific
Speaker 6: more than they do right now. They're going to cut
Speaker 6: off the American beef industry. And again there's a rumor
Speaker 6: last week floating around among the Senate Republicans that they
Speaker 6: were going to have to do, at least for the
Speaker 6: first month of the tariffs, one hundred and fifty billion
Speaker 6: dollar relief package for farmers, the airlines, American ag and timber.
Speaker 6: And at that point you're like, oh, wait, have we
Speaker 6: made a mistake, because if we're playing one hundred and
Speaker 6: twelve billion dollars a month, it's going to come out
Speaker 6: to like one point five trillion dollars a year to
Speaker 6: support the trade war, which was supp going to make
Speaker 6: us so much money. You don't you would even know
Speaker 6: how much money you have. There'll be so much money.
Speaker 2: Well, luckily we have doge, which is cutting everything except anything.
Speaker 6: You know, from two trillion, Molly down to one hundred
Speaker 6: and fifty billion. That seems like promising your mom and
Speaker 6: dad you're gonna get straight a's and you get four
Speaker 6: fsent a d.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know. My favorite part of this is there's a
Speaker 2: really good piece in the New York Times today by
Speaker 2: David Fahrenhold where he looks at the numbers and then
Speaker 2: he has people from the Woke Cato Institute.
Speaker 6: Yes, those liptards are Cato.
Speaker 2: Liptards, a Cato saying the emperor has no clothes. And
Speaker 2: mister Mott's group has provided an online ledger of budget cuts,
Speaker 2: which he calls the Wall of Receipts. The ledger is
Speaker 2: riddled with omissions and flaws.
Speaker 6: The idea of one or two trillion dollars I'm sure
Speaker 6: on paper it was really super appealing and some mentally
Speaker 6: sort of appeal, but real talk, we are not winning
Speaker 6: on budget cuts. The way to really have done this
Speaker 6: was if you were to assemble, as by the way
Speaker 6: both Bill Clinton and George W. Bush did at different
Speaker 6: points in their administrations. If you were to assemble teams
Speaker 6: of what we call auditors and management consultant experts and
Speaker 6: program experts to go through the budget. You could find
Speaker 6: this thing called savings. Now, it doesn't mean you put
Speaker 6: a twenty two year old kid named big Dick or
Speaker 6: whatever his name is.
Speaker 2: Big balls are all about accuracy here. Yes, I'm sorry
Speaker 2: politics big balls.
Speaker 6: A previous assertion made on this program calling Elon Musk's
Speaker 6: in cell catamite big Dick, was in fact incorrect. His
Speaker 6: nom de douche is big balls.
Speaker 2: Thank you, sir. Accuracy matters here.
Speaker 6: Accuracy matters. But you would do this in a serious
Speaker 6: grownaway Bill Clinton did it. Every serious approach to this
Speaker 6: would have involved people who were doing audits and people
Speaker 6: who were studying the programs, and it wouldn't be slash
Speaker 6: and burn horseshit by a bunch of people who know
Speaker 6: nothing about nothing and who go into government with the
Speaker 6: attitude of my main job is to suck down all
Speaker 6: this data and give it to Elon for his AI
Speaker 6: to train on. Because that's what's happened they're taking I
Speaker 6: promise you we're going to find this out, either now
Speaker 6: or later, that Elon's monkeys have been taking all this
Speaker 6: government data and sucking it over to Grock dot Ai,
Speaker 6: his AI company, so it can train on our personal information.
Speaker 6: I promise you that's what's going on. I can't prove
Speaker 6: it yet, but I know who these people are.
Speaker 2: Listen, man, all I can say is that Kevin Hasset
Speaker 2: on the Sunday Shows today. I love this man. I mean,
Speaker 2: there are a lot of sad people in this administration.
Speaker 2: You are sadder than Kevin Hassett.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Kevin Hassett is a sad person. I saw Ray
Speaker 6: Navarro or Ron Vara, as you may.
Speaker 2: Know, everyone's favorite Harvard.
Speaker 6: PhD based economist Ron Vara.
Speaker 2: Is Harvard going to take back that PhD for fake
Speaker 2: citing himself.
Speaker 6: I want to know if Elon has found Ron Vari's
Speaker 6: phony social Security number yet. Yes, but I saw him,
Speaker 6: I mean literally he was. He was still trying to
Speaker 6: hold up this bullshit of all these countries have come to.
Speaker 2: Us, they want to make us, except China.
Speaker 6: Except China. And actually, when Welker asked him what countries,
Speaker 6: it was like hammanahamanahamanahamana, because it's a lie. We know
Speaker 6: it's a lie. It's a surch story only with the
Speaker 6: international trade Listen.
Speaker 2: I'm sure Japan came. It's a tiny economy riddled with stagslation,
Speaker 2: which could be us in five years, five years, five days,
Speaker 2: so hasse. I'm going to read you a Hassid quote,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to let you muse on it. The
Speaker 2: whole point of the trade policy is to address the
Speaker 2: national emergency, which is you ready go, We are two
Speaker 2: dependent on foreign products in the United States, especially in
Speaker 2: a time of conflict. That's the national emergency.
Speaker 6: I can think of a number of other national emergencies
Speaker 6: that we are currently involved with, including a trade where
Speaker 6: we started and shouldn't have started, and that is blowing
Speaker 6: back on us wild I mean, let's put it this way, folks.
Speaker 6: I was told that the price of eggs and groceries,
Speaker 6: which you may have heard of, Molly. I don't know
Speaker 6: if you've heard of this word groceries.
Speaker 2: It's a very old fashion word.
Speaker 6: It's an old fashion word.
Speaker 2: It's an old fashioned word used mostly by my chef
Speaker 2: and my driver.
Speaker 6: But the idea that prices are suddenly soaring across the board.
Speaker 6: I was told in twenty twenty four that that was
Speaker 6: the big issue. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 2: That's why I was told that Joe Biden could not
Speaker 2: get reelected.
Speaker 6: Right, And I was told that the smart black lady
Speaker 6: was unacceptable because she didn't understand the crisis in working
Speaker 6: class America.
Speaker 2: That's right, and Trump is good for the economy and
Speaker 2: going to bring down prices. I'm still waiting. It's working
Speaker 2: so well, working great.
Speaker 6: We have some other crises right now that I think
Speaker 6: are bigger. And maybe I'm just an old fashioned traditional
Speaker 6: libertarian when I think you shouldn't snatch grad students off
Speaker 6: the street. When I think that searching people's phones who
Speaker 6: are here legally on a visa to see if they've
Speaker 6: ever said a harsh word against Donald Trump and then
Speaker 6: deporting them if they have, or if they said anything
Speaker 6: critical of Israel and deporting them if they have. They're
Speaker 6: missing that First Amendment, which call me crazy. They're missing
Speaker 6: the Fifth Amendment. They're missing all these This entire mess
Speaker 6: that we find ourselves in right now has to do
Speaker 6: with a contempt for the Constitution, a contempt for the
Speaker 6: rule of law, a contempt for institutions, a contempt for Congress.
Speaker 6: And the Republicans in Congress fuck them because they're letting
Speaker 6: him get away with it every day. As much as
Speaker 6: John Thune and these guys are talking a big game,
Speaker 6: and as much as they're saying, oh well, we're going
Speaker 6: to hold it on on it. They're not. They could
Speaker 6: be doing things right now. I've heard from sources that
Speaker 6: Thune has quietly gone to Susie and other people in
Speaker 6: the White House and that Steven Miller told them to
Speaker 6: basically fuck off. The Senate Majority leader was basically told
Speaker 6: to fuck off by Steven fucking Miller. And they've done nothing.
Speaker 6: They will do nothing. They are afraid of him and
Speaker 6: afraid of Trump, and so they're going to sit on
Speaker 6: their hands and they're going to say, oh, we can't
Speaker 6: really do much right now because all the good guys
Speaker 6: would be taken out by muggs in a primary. At
Speaker 6: this point, there are no good guys. That's the secret.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Trump has lost the Wall Street Journal editorial page.
Speaker 2: Dave Portnoy, right, Dave Portnoy from Barstool Sports.
Speaker 6: By the way, Molly, can I say just bring up
Speaker 6: one thing. So last night Trump went to this UFC
Speaker 6: match and one of the fighters in the arena for
Speaker 6: all their elected concerned about anti Semitism was a Hitler
Speaker 6: quoting alt right kind of dipshit. And Dave Portnoy was
Speaker 6: there waving an Israeli flag. But I can remember a
Speaker 6: time when a president wouldn't go to an event where
Speaker 6: an alt right nazi dipshit was performing in some capacity.
Speaker 6: Then that time, by the way, would have been all
Speaker 6: former presidents.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about what we're seeing now. We have
Speaker 2: this trade war that we'll keep going. There will be
Speaker 2: again intended consequences and unintellded consequences, which is like the
Speaker 2: first Trump presidency really as a study in unintended consequences.
Speaker 2: Right to impeachments. I think we're going to see a
Speaker 2: lot of that coming down the pike. There is still
Speaker 2: this case that the Supreme Court is going to look
Speaker 2: at which could strip Trump's tear off powers away. I
Speaker 2: think that is a real thing.
Speaker 6: They've been talking about it behind closed doors. They're whispering
Speaker 6: about it. They've sort of semi threatened it to the
Speaker 6: White House, and they're not at the end going to
Speaker 6: do it.
Speaker 2: No, Congress won't do it, but the Supreme Court may
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 6: The Supreme Court may do it. I also think that
Speaker 6: we saw with the unanimous ruling, because as we talked
Speaker 6: about on Friday, when this Supreme Court rules and something unanimously,
Speaker 6: it's very noteworthy. Yeah, man, the White House's response essentially,
Speaker 6: since that has been fuck you. I want to see
Speaker 6: what happens next, because if the answer is fuck you,
Speaker 6: if the only answers fuck you, then the Supreme Court
Speaker 6: it faces a existential test of its legitimacy. And if
Speaker 6: it does not take immediate actions to sanction this administration
Speaker 6: and hold the people at DHS in contempt and cause
Speaker 6: them pain, then the Supreme Court will lose its entire
Speaker 6: basis for its role in our system of government.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just have two more seconds on this, because
Speaker 2: what can the Supreme Court do at this moment and
Speaker 2: what can they not do? Like they could strip him
Speaker 2: of the tariff power, and I think there's a real
Speaker 2: chance that happens if it gets there. You know, they
Speaker 2: said that even people who are in this country illegally
Speaker 2: have the rights to do process, which by the way,
Speaker 2: MAGA was saying they didn't. So this is actually a
Speaker 2: real thing.
Speaker 6: And MAGA is very angry about this because they have
Speaker 6: this very twisted view of the Constitution, and the Constitution
Speaker 6: for them means white Protestant Christians from the south of
Speaker 6: the Midwest have a full panoply of rights and no
Speaker 6: one else does. Whether they're Americans, or not. And let's
Speaker 6: not forget I'm not being facetious at the moment when
Speaker 6: Carolyn Levitt sat there on the podium and said, Oh,
Speaker 6: we're looking for ways where we could deport you citizens
Speaker 6: who say the wrong thing too.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yes, that's not a joke anymore, y'all. No, No, that's
Speaker 6: not the Trump administration, you know, owning the libs or trolling.
Speaker 6: That's the Trump administration warning people that they wish to
Speaker 6: violate the Constitution and they wish to deport American citizens
Speaker 6: and seek retribution on American citizens who Trump does not like.
Speaker 6: We've joked over the years about Yasse and Gemo, but
Speaker 6: there are people in his world who would like that,
Speaker 6: and they will pursue it until they are stopped from
Speaker 6: pursuing it.
Speaker 2: Correct, Rick Wilson, will you come back?
Speaker 6: You know I will.
Speaker 2: Chuck Schumer is the Senate Minority Leader and the senior
Speaker 2: Senator from the great state of New York. Welcome to
Speaker 2: Fast Politics, Senator Chuck Schumer.
Speaker 5: Great to be back with you, Molly.
Speaker 2: We're in the middle of tearor this insane TERRORFF situation,
Speaker 2: and I want you to talk us through where we
Speaker 2: are with that. There are bills. There's a bill that passed.
Speaker 2: It hasn't passed the House, but there certainly sounds like
Speaker 2: there's numbers to pass a bill in the Senate. Where
Speaker 2: are we with trying to wrangle some teriff authority back
Speaker 2: from the president?
Speaker 9: Well, first, MOLLI, these tariffs are just terrible and it's
Speaker 9: a tax, a huge tax. We call it the Trump tariff.
Speaker 9: Tax on American families. Even with the little bits of
Speaker 9: step back that they did, Yale estimated it would cost
Speaker 9: the average American family forty four hundred dollars a year,
Speaker 9: more money for food and for prescription drugs, more money
Speaker 9: for clothing, and for gas, you name it. It goes up.
Speaker 9: And why are they doing this? This is the most
Speaker 9: despicable part of this at all.
Speaker 5: All.
Speaker 9: First, they give six different reasons, but the number one
Speaker 9: reason is they want to use this to give more
Speaker 9: tax breaks to billionaires. So these billionaires who are doing
Speaker 9: damn well already would get more money and the average
Speaker 9: consumer would pay a cost of forty four hundred dollars
Speaker 9: a year.
Speaker 5: It's outrageous.
Speaker 9: The stock market for people who have four oh one K,
Speaker 9: and that's more than half the people in the country.
Speaker 9: The average person with a four oh one k lost
Speaker 9: one hundred thousand dollars. What are they going to do
Speaker 9: if you're about to retire. So it's awful, awful with.
Speaker 2: The tariffs part of the problem and the reason why
Speaker 2: Trump paused them, though there are still a lot of
Speaker 2: tariffs in place, especially in Canada Mexico. The reason he
Speaker 2: paused it was because the bond market freaked out and
Speaker 2: it looked like people were not going to buy our
Speaker 2: debt and the dollars down from the you know, the
Speaker 2: lowest since I don't know, you know, five years or whatever.
Speaker 2: So it seems as if because of the irrationality of
Speaker 2: the Trump administration, people don't want to invest in America.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Molly, people need certainty. Businesses need certainty. People need certainty.
Speaker 9: So consumer confidence is at the lowest leveling years because
Speaker 9: you're not going to buy that car if the tariff
Speaker 9: is going to slap you with two three thousand dollars
Speaker 9: of extra costs.
Speaker 2: Right, But that's consumer confidence which is also at record
Speaker 2: lows and is starting to really be something that may
Speaker 2: drive it to a recession if we're not there yet.
Speaker 2: But the world is also may not use the dollar
Speaker 2: as the default currency anymore. You guys in Senate and
Speaker 2: the House may be able to put some guardrails up.
Speaker 2: Where are you with this?
Speaker 5: Okay?
Speaker 9: So we have one bill that passed the Senate because
Speaker 9: we got every Democrat voting to get rid of the
Speaker 9: We did the Canadian taris first because that was last
Speaker 9: week and we got four Republicans to vote for it.
Speaker 9: Maria Cantwell put together a bipartisan bill with Grassley. We
Speaker 9: haven't had that on the floor yet. We'll try to
Speaker 9: have to force them to put it on the floor
Speaker 9: best we can. But that's seven more Republicans joined in.
Speaker 9: Public sentiment is everything. The public realizes how crazy this is.
Speaker 9: You know, they look at it and they say the
Speaker 9: administration has a different explanation. Even at the same time,
Speaker 9: Musk not my cup of tea. He called this guy
Speaker 9: Navarro a moron. Who's the guy in charge of it.
Speaker 9: So the public is telling Republican congressmen and senators. They're saying, wtf,
Speaker 9: get rid of these damn things. They're killing us, and
Speaker 9: they're beginning to feel the heat. I had an amendment
Speaker 9: in the reconciliation bill of two weeks ago, the first
Speaker 9: budget bill to say no tariffs, all the tariffs go
Speaker 9: away if the price of groceries goes up. They didn't
Speaker 9: vote for it two weeks ago, but they're going to
Speaker 9: have to vote on it again, and there's going to
Speaker 9: be much more pressure on them to vote for it
Speaker 9: now that the prices are going up and that people
Speaker 9: see how crazy they are.
Speaker 2: When you say, public sentiment is not with them, do
Speaker 2: you think and it seems to me like this is
Speaker 2: a real thing. Like last weekend we saw millions of
Speaker 2: people march to protect Social Security and medicare. Do you
Speaker 2: think that that actually works, that that actually helps you?
Speaker 2: And tell us why why?
Speaker 9: Because if they're constituents in Republican districts, go to them
Speaker 9: and say stop doing what Trump wants. They're afraid of Trump.
Speaker 9: He threatens them. But what's against that is the threat
Speaker 9: of losing your election of people your own Republican allies
Speaker 9: not voting for you. And we're seeing that, and that's
Speaker 9: why we're seeing for the first time real cracks in
Speaker 9: the Republican wall on this issue of tariffs. And I
Speaker 9: think we'll find them on Medicaid. Right now, they're in
Speaker 9: a total mess on the budget because some of them,
Speaker 9: at least some of them don't want.
Speaker 5: To cut Medicaid that much.
Speaker 9: I went into three Republican districts in nursing homes that
Speaker 9: said they'd closed if they cut Medicaid, and Republicans were
Speaker 9: there saying, we can't vote for these guys anymore.
Speaker 2: There's also a teariff case going up to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 2: It is by the group that is funded by Leonard
Speaker 2: Leo and the surviving Koch brother Yep. Do you think
Speaker 2: there's a world because we saw this week that the
Speaker 2: Supreme Court they were nine zero on due process? I mean,
Speaker 2: do you think that there's a world where the Supreme
Speaker 2: Court takes his power away from him?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 9: The law is very clear that if Congress wants to
Speaker 9: take the power of tariffs away from the executive branch,
Speaker 9: they can.
Speaker 5: It's crystal clear.
Speaker 9: And so even the Supreme Court hardly I voted against
Speaker 9: all these right wingers who were put on the court
Speaker 9: and argue against them. But even the Supreme Court, I think,
Speaker 9: is seeing how nuts this administration is, how crazy they are,
Speaker 9: and some of them may pull back. As you saw,
Speaker 9: even on due process we got a little bit of daylight,
Speaker 9: not enough, but a little.
Speaker 2: Do you feel that there were things that Biden could
Speaker 2: have done differently to protect norms and institutions, or do
Speaker 2: you think he did as much as he could have.
Speaker 9: Well, obviously on certain issues we could have done more,
Speaker 9: and Biden could.
Speaker 5: Have done some more on certain things.
Speaker 9: But overall, the Trump administration has gone No administration has
Speaker 9: ever gone as crazy to undo norms in every way
Speaker 9: in terms of social security. Look, this has been sacred
Speaker 9: in America. The bottom line is that they're trying to
Speaker 9: now eliminate, strangle it. You know what they did last week.
Speaker 9: Not only did they cut off the phone lines to
Speaker 9: Social Security offices, not only closing social Security offices. They
Speaker 9: closed one in Westchester, they closed one in Elmira. Now
Speaker 9: they're saying no email to Social Security offices. But they're
Speaker 9: doing this across the board. I mean, one of the
Speaker 9: worst things we were going to talk about this is
Speaker 9: the Save Act.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about the Save Act because it passed
Speaker 2: the House and it's coming to you.
Speaker 9: It's despicable. First, I want to tell your listeners it
Speaker 9: will not pass. I'm the minority leader. They need sixty
Speaker 9: votes for it. They will not get the sixty votes.
Speaker 9: Democrats will not vote for it. Here's what it does.
Speaker 9: About half the people in America couldn't vote anymore, particularly
Speaker 9: poor people, people of color, women. If you have to
Speaker 9: have either a passport or a certified license, if you
Speaker 9: were married in a different name, you'd have to get
Speaker 9: a new document with your married name on it to vote.
Speaker 5: Half Americans don't have passports.
Speaker 9: So many women don't you know, their birth certificate which
Speaker 9: they use is their name they were born with, not
Speaker 9: the name they changed to. This is like the Old South.
Speaker 9: This is the Jim South in the whole Republican Party.
Speaker 9: And they put so many barriers in the way of
Speaker 9: voting that basically, if this asked, our democracy would be
Speaker 9: totally diminished, even gone. More than half the people I
Speaker 9: estimate who vote now couldn't vote. But we will not
Speaker 9: let it pass period, Over my dead body. It is despicable.
Speaker 2: Trump has made a number of executive orders or at
Speaker 2: least one, where he has tried to exert power over
Speaker 2: our elections, which are supposed to be controlled by the states.
Speaker 10: Can you talk about how dangerous that is. It's totally dangerous.
Speaker 10: This is the whole wellspring of America. Is voting is democracy,
Speaker 10: and even when we've had severe disagreements.
Speaker 9: We've kept democracy. No administration has come close, has come
Speaker 9: close to abandoning destroying the democracy. It is totally at risk,
Speaker 9: as this SAYAC shows with them doing it.
Speaker 5: But I do think we can beat it.
Speaker 9: And there's no question about it that it is our
Speaker 9: right to that. They cannot do this over Congress because
Speaker 9: you know it would go so far that it would
Speaker 9: be crazy. And they are crazy, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 9: but it's generally even the Republicans, except that they got
Speaker 9: to pass this stupid thing.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't say stupid, I'd say this fucking thing. I
Speaker 5: hate it.
Speaker 2: So AOC and Bernie are on this stop the Oligarchy tour,
Speaker 2: They've got Maxwell Frost, they've got different people. Do you
Speaker 2: think Democrats need to do more of this to go everywhere? Yes, Look,
Speaker 2: there's lots of things we have to do.
Speaker 9: We have to fight them every way, every day, and
Speaker 9: we have to show how bad Trump is, as we
Speaker 9: did on the tariffs, and as you saw the polling
Speaker 9: by CBS this morning, people are understanding how bad these
Speaker 9: tarts are for their well being.
Speaker 5: But it's on everything.
Speaker 9: It's on Medicaid, it's on Social Security, it's on tax breaks,
Speaker 9: for the wealthy, and the rallies are we go to
Speaker 9: court and we've won three quarters of our court cases.
Speaker 9: We have a lot of good progressive groups and we're
Speaker 9: working with them closely, the ags, you know, the Attorney's
Speaker 9: General like Tis James. So we go to court, but
Speaker 9: organizing is key, and these rallies are really important.
Speaker 5: I'm so glad to see so many people at them.
Speaker 9: And then what we're also doing is telling people go
Speaker 9: into these Republican districts, let them know that, for instance,
Speaker 9: all the healthcare would go down the drain go to
Speaker 9: rural areas if they cut Medicaid by what they want
Speaker 9: to cut it by, Molly, rural hospitals would just close.
Speaker 9: They're often the biggest employer and the only source of
Speaker 9: health care. Go after education. There's cutting education dollars in
Speaker 9: so many areas. Public education is everything. There's no choice.
Speaker 9: We have to go after them in every way. And
Speaker 9: the rallies inspire people to do it, and then they
Speaker 9: get them that, we get the names and we can
Speaker 9: organize them going into the letting particularly the more rural
Speaker 9: Trump voting districts, know that this guy is betraying them.
Speaker 9: He's not doing what he promised. He is just for
Speaker 9: the wealthy. There's a billionaire little bubble up there. The
Speaker 9: billionaires all talk to each other. They don't understand what
Speaker 9: working people go through.
Speaker 2: Talk to me about the violence. We have this Josh
Speaker 2: Shapiro story today. What can we do?
Speaker 9: This is yeah, we don't know the cause yet, so
Speaker 9: it's a little premature to say it happened. But it's
Speaker 9: despicable and the kind of right wing rhetoric is just
Speaker 9: awful and that should be curved. Whether it had anything
Speaker 9: to do with this violence or not, it's just awful.
Speaker 9: And my heart goes out to the Shapiro family that
Speaker 9: was celebrating evidently their passover stator when the governor's mansion
Speaker 9: was set on fire, and the damage, from what I understand,
Speaker 9: is quite extensive.
Speaker 2: We have this situation, I mean, it's Passover. We're Jews.
Speaker 2: It's been I think, a very tough time for Jews.
Speaker 2: We have NATANYAHUO has really tried to use anti Semitism
Speaker 2: as a cudgel. We see this administration trying to use
Speaker 2: anti Semitism as an excuse to depoor people. For me,
Speaker 2: my passover sator last night, my cousin is a son
Speaker 2: of survivors. You know him, Herald Confluence.
Speaker 5: I do.
Speaker 2: And he was weeping about his dad and the Warsaw
Speaker 2: Ghetto and the Warsaw uprising. And we're watching an administration
Speaker 2: use our names in order so to be anti democratic.
Speaker 9: So we have to stand up strongly against anti semitism
Speaker 9: when it's anti semitism, but never let it be used
Speaker 9: as an excuse to go after something else. Plain and simple,
Speaker 9: thank you, thank you, thank you, it's great to talk
Speaker 9: to you. Happy passover, it's the second day.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, thank you. Thanks. No, No moment Brick Wilson,
Speaker 2: Moly Jong fast, let's go, moment of fuckery.
Speaker 6: Moment of fuckery. I think Trump is losing allies and
Speaker 6: surprising places.
Speaker 2: Yes, Trump Commerce secretary sends Americans into a spin with
Speaker 2: an astonishing admission and yet another tear. If you turn
Speaker 2: guess where that comes from.
Speaker 6: Would it be from a progressive libtard far left outlet.
Speaker 2: It might in fact be from my nemesis, The Daily
Speaker 2: They Love You that has gone whoa, they're woke now.
Speaker 6: The Daily Mail is one more of this sort of
Speaker 6: constellation of things. You would have expected to stick with
Speaker 6: Trump to the very end, and yet they really haven't
Speaker 6: they really are lately. I mean, especially on the economic front.
Speaker 6: Right now, they were blasting Lutnick, They've been blasting the tariffs.
Speaker 6: I think that there's a sense of them calling some bullshit.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I have to say the Daily Mail, like the
Speaker 2: New York Post, is one of the most disgusting pro
Speaker 2: Trump outlets, and they have really gone along with some
Speaker 2: of the just the most craven lies about Harris. Turns out,
Speaker 2: you'll be shocked to know that, in fact, even they
Speaker 2: have a red line, and it's when Trump loses money
Speaker 2: for very wealthy people.
Speaker 6: Yes, it is. By the way, I'd also like to
Speaker 6: point out a minifuckery item. Yeah, if Donald Trump weighs
Speaker 6: two hundred and twenty four pounds and has a blood
Speaker 6: pressure of one twenty eight over seventy four, then I'm
Speaker 6: a fucking ballerina. That is all nano fuckery.
Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 6: All right, see you, sud. Thanks.
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