1
00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:01,080
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?

2
00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:03,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I do know what you mean.

3
00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:18,759
Speaker 3: So here we are, Caitlin, Good morning, Welcome to the

4
00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:20,160
Speaker 3: Renee Stubbs Tennis Podcast.

5
00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:21,920
Speaker 1: We've got a lot to talk about this week.

6
00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:23,840
Speaker 2: Should we just jump right into it?

7
00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,120
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, let's jump right into it.

8
00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,080
Speaker 2: It's the first of all the end of the year.

9
00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,920
Speaker 2: I feel like everything happens just all in a hurry

10
00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,120
Speaker 2: and gets scrambling around this time of year.

11
00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,199
Speaker 3: Listen, let me just stop, because you know our listeners

12
00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:39,159
Speaker 3: expect this from me.

13
00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:40,560
Speaker 1: How are you handling the cold?

14
00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:48,600
Speaker 2: Thank you? I am touched that you and I can't

15
00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,240
Speaker 2: believe any listener actually cares how I'm dealing with the weather.

16
00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,680
Speaker 2: But it's sunny. I was outside playing tennis all weekend,

17
00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,280
Speaker 2: and I'm about to go to San Francisco actually for

18
00:00:56,360 --> 00:01:01,440
Speaker 2: a women in Tech, Media and Finance summit held by

19
00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,080
Speaker 2: our friend Jessica Leston, who is the founder of the

20
00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:05,600
Speaker 2: Information I'm going to be hanging out with our friend

21
00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,080
Speaker 2: Sophie Goldchmidt. We're speaking out a panel on Wednesday. I'm

22
00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,880
Speaker 2: going to see some Bay Area friends I don't get

23
00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:12,560
Speaker 2: to see usually, and I'm going to be playing some

24
00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:18,000
Speaker 2: tennis as I understand it with Meta, and we're going

25
00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,200
Speaker 2: to be at the Silverado Resort, so I'm going to

26
00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:21,760
Speaker 2: see my friend Katie Delich. So it's going to be

27
00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:23,400
Speaker 2: a bit of a whirlwind tour. I'll be in San

28
00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,160
Speaker 2: Francisco a couple of days. Yeah, I'm not getting those

29
00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:28,559
Speaker 2: Meta dollars though, So.

30
00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:33,800
Speaker 3: That's nobody is except market sucker bug. Yeah, Caitlin, it's

31
00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,440
Speaker 3: been a great week. Oh so, if tennis you have

32
00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,039
Speaker 3: our listeners didn't hear from us last week, we all

33
00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,080
Speaker 3: just decided to have a sabbatical because it feels like

34
00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,560
Speaker 3: that at this time of the year, it's kind of like, eh.

35
00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,919
Speaker 2: I think you have to rest up for one final push.

36
00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,360
Speaker 2: A lot of players are doing that. You went to

37
00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:56,200
Speaker 2: LA last week in fact, and we kind of felt like,

38
00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,280
Speaker 2: let's wait until we have a couple of things to discuss,

39
00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,480
Speaker 2: because week before last they were sort of scattered exhibition,

40
00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,880
Speaker 2: some tournaments, minor stuff, and then this past week we

41
00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:11,480
Speaker 2: had I think a couple of very interesting terms of events.

42
00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,040
Speaker 2: We had all of the sort of last minute placements

43
00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,640
Speaker 2: for who's going to get to the finals on the

44
00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:22,000
Speaker 2: ATP and WTA side, getting closer to fruition, the WTA

45
00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,560
Speaker 2: side is set, so you know, and then we had

46
00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,519
Speaker 2: some really interesting results. So I think, like, now there's

47
00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,400
Speaker 2: actually stuff to talk about, and there's a couple of

48
00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,120
Speaker 2: things that we can kind of get into, you know,

49
00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,440
Speaker 2: most of which are actual tennis news. So yeah, I

50
00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,200
Speaker 2: feel like, you know, sometimes we've got to take a

51
00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:37,920
Speaker 2: week off just because we don't have that much to say.

52
00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,840
Speaker 3: Yes, and I would like to clarify something because I

53
00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,040
Speaker 3: don't know, because you don't care about my Twitter wars

54
00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:45,560
Speaker 3: or any of you.

55
00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:47,120
Speaker 2: Can't think of anything I care about less.

56
00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,760
Speaker 1: No, But here's the thing. This is what cracks me

57
00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:50,200
Speaker 1: up about.

58
00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,440
Speaker 3: It is that I wake up sometimes in the morning,

59
00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,080
Speaker 3: or go to bed at night, or just happen to

60
00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,240
Speaker 3: check something and I'm like, what is what is happening here?

61
00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,400
Speaker 3: Why am I getting abused by people again?

62
00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,240
Speaker 1: Right? You know, You're just like, what have I done now?

63
00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:02,799
Speaker 1: Kind of thing?

64
00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,360
Speaker 3: You know, And then tt Sports put out and you know,

65
00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,240
Speaker 3: this is what some of these like ESPN dot Com

66
00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:13,040
Speaker 3: or TNT or Yahoo Sports or all of the fan

67
00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,440
Speaker 3: doors or whoever it is, you know, they decide to take.

68
00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,280
Speaker 3: And this is why, you know, Petko and I say

69
00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:21,520
Speaker 3: fuck you, fuck you to all these people that take

70
00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,160
Speaker 3: out like little snippets from our podcast and then they

71
00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:24,880
Speaker 3: put it up as a.

72
00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:28,760
Speaker 1: Headline, like this is what she said. And it was

73
00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:30,440
Speaker 1: kind of along the lines of.

74
00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:36,840
Speaker 3: Me saying that Novak Djokovic should just stop and he

75
00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,240
Speaker 3: there's no reason for him to keep playing because he's

76
00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,400
Speaker 3: not winning anymore, right, sort of I'm paraphrasing not.

77
00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:43,840
Speaker 2: At all what you've said.

78
00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,600
Speaker 1: It's not at all what I said. I said, and

79
00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:48,360
Speaker 1: I'll say it again.

80
00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,080
Speaker 3: He doesn't need to keep playing in tennis anymore because

81
00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,440
Speaker 3: he's achieved everything and I don't and for me, if

82
00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,040
Speaker 3: he's not winning slams, you know, as much as he

83
00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:01,040
Speaker 3: loves playing tennis, and every right player that plays into

84
00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:07,080
Speaker 3: their late thirties, Roger Rafa, Serena, all the players, Andy Murray,

85
00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:08,880
Speaker 3: all of them. You know, they love to play, But

86
00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,600
Speaker 3: at some point, how much do you love to play

87
00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,000
Speaker 3: and not win major titles? Right when you're the greatest

88
00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,920
Speaker 3: player of all time, who's won the most Grand Slams

89
00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:18,960
Speaker 3: of all time?

90
00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,200
Speaker 1: And I think, and so my words.

91
00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,800
Speaker 3: Of course, they take that one line and then they

92
00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:26,559
Speaker 3: put it up as a headline, and then of course,

93
00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,839
Speaker 3: sixty five thousand Serbians decide to again go after me

94
00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,599
Speaker 3: for saying something like that taken out of context.

95
00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,080
Speaker 1: So it drives me crazy. Then and then you.

96
00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,320
Speaker 3: Say, wow, just ignore them, and that is all true.

97
00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:44,360
Speaker 3: I could ignore them, but the point is those comments

98
00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,000
Speaker 3: are taking out a contest.

99
00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,039
Speaker 1: I if you kept going on my comments.

100
00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,839
Speaker 3: My next comment was, I hope he keeps playing we

101
00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,120
Speaker 3: love him in the draw. I hope he keeps playing tennis.

102
00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:57,120
Speaker 3: I didn't say.

103
00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:01,479
Speaker 2: I think as soon as you start explaining yourself to

104
00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,640
Speaker 2: people who are not interested in a good faith conversation,

105
00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,679
Speaker 2: you've lost. So that's mine. No, you've lost, You've lost

106
00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:10,760
Speaker 2: the you've lost the plot. If you're going to argue

107
00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,600
Speaker 2: with somebody who has no intention of creating a dialogue

108
00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,440
Speaker 2: in a good faith manner, you've lost the argument already.

109
00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:20,640
Speaker 2: It's like fighting with uh, somebody covered in poop. It's

110
00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:22,960
Speaker 2: like nope, nope, I'm out. You know what I mean.

111
00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,960
Speaker 2: It's just like, don't you're what's the There's an expression

112
00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,000
Speaker 2: like if you argue with crazy, then there's no difference

113
00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,520
Speaker 2: between either of you. It's just like, no thanks. Anybody

114
00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,080
Speaker 2: who leaves listens to the podcast, anybody who knows that

115
00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,880
Speaker 2: we have some spicy takes from here, and then know

116
00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,080
Speaker 2: that fundamentally we love tennis, we love seeing people who

117
00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,440
Speaker 2: are great at play it, and that doesn't make them

118
00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,240
Speaker 2: above criticism for certain amount of the behaviors, certainly, and

119
00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,200
Speaker 2: we're going to call those things out as we always have.

120
00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,400
Speaker 2: But in this case it's like, yeah, no, vik Djokovic

121
00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,520
Speaker 2: win wins, has won everything he needs to win, to

122
00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,640
Speaker 2: prove everything he's needed to prove, especially with the Olympics

123
00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,680
Speaker 2: last year. And player, don't you know, I think he yea,

124
00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,760
Speaker 2: he will choose to do whatever exactly he wants to do,

125
00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,080
Speaker 2: just like we see Venus Williams choosing to do. I

126
00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:07,200
Speaker 2: was on the other side of this a couple of

127
00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:08,919
Speaker 2: years ago. I was like, ah, Venus should retire. And

128
00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:10,440
Speaker 2: then somebody, I think it was the guys that the

129
00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:12,720
Speaker 2: Body Syrup, which is one of my favorite shows out

130
00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,200
Speaker 2: of Toronto, who were like, we should never tell athletes

131
00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,080
Speaker 2: when they can retire. They can do whatever they want,

132
00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,080
Speaker 2: you know, as long as Venus keeps putting butts and

133
00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,719
Speaker 2: seats and gets wild cards, she can't. And I was like, yeah,

134
00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:25,680
Speaker 2: actually that's remember and Andy Murray like, why does he

135
00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:26,760
Speaker 2: keep taking his walkouts?

136
00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:28,360
Speaker 1: Because because he sells tickets.

137
00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,599
Speaker 2: That's why people want to see him. And when people

138
00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:34,200
Speaker 2: don't show up to a single Venus match, when people

139
00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,240
Speaker 2: don't show up to a single Andy match, or people

140
00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,960
Speaker 2: don't show up to a single Novad match, then guess what,

141
00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,280
Speaker 2: those wildcards will dry up, and probably so will their

142
00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:42,960
Speaker 2: desire to play, because I don't want to play in

143
00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,640
Speaker 2: front of nobody. But until people are really uh you know,

144
00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,279
Speaker 2: signaling that they're done, and these players are choosing to

145
00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,480
Speaker 2: be done, then you know, what are we doing about it?

146
00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,480
Speaker 2: So yeah, I would my advice to you would be

147
00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,239
Speaker 2: don't wrestle with the covert and poop. No, just also

148
00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,240
Speaker 2: get off Twitter. That's not let them. Nothing good is

149
00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:05,400
Speaker 2: happening on Twitter much less any any referrals, any content.

150
00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:07,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I see I don't seem to be

151
00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:07,880
Speaker 1: able to win.

152
00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,600
Speaker 3: I mean they took contexts again from our podcast this

153
00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,200
Speaker 3: is like last year and actually equated the words that

154
00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,160
Speaker 3: were said to me and I didn't even say them,

155
00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,200
Speaker 3: and they posted it.

156
00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,080
Speaker 2: Twitter anymore, so they have to come after you.

157
00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,440
Speaker 3: Well, this was on everything, This is on Instagram. They

158
00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,120
Speaker 3: don't go on all my pics and they make these

159
00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,280
Speaker 3: you know, just horrible comments on my like photos of

160
00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,120
Speaker 3: you know, a bleach or something. You know.

161
00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,320
Speaker 2: Let me tell you, now, you've given them more things

162
00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:40,080
Speaker 2: to talk about. So well, I I hope so, but

163
00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:42,360
Speaker 2: there's gonna they're going to find something to criticize.

164
00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:46,160
Speaker 3: So the less you say, anyway, just just so everybody knows,

165
00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,000
Speaker 3: I hope no Jocovi it's place for another five years. Okay,

166
00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,240
Speaker 3: that's not the point of my point. Okay, anyway, all right,

167
00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:56,680
Speaker 3: so let's get to the tennis. Janick sinner unbelievable. He's

168
00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:00,480
Speaker 3: on an incredible wind streak on hard court indoors, and

169
00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,600
Speaker 3: it's really not even hardcore if you it's kind of

170
00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,360
Speaker 3: like I didn't even know how to describe. It's like

171
00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:11,640
Speaker 3: wood but indoors. He is a tremendous player on every

172
00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,680
Speaker 3: single surface. This is why he's, you know, arguably the

173
00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:16,800
Speaker 3: best player in the world right now, him and Carlos

174
00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,520
Speaker 3: who just heads and shoulders above everybody else. But I

175
00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,880
Speaker 3: got to give Zverev a lot of credit. He played

176
00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,680
Speaker 3: some really inspiring aggressive tennis in the final against Cinna,

177
00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,680
Speaker 3: and he really really made him work in this match.

178
00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,600
Speaker 3: I think Yannick got off to a quick break of

179
00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:33,480
Speaker 3: serve in the in the first set, lost his serve

180
00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:37,240
Speaker 3: and Alex like ran with that break of serve. Then

181
00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,760
Speaker 3: Yannick played an incredible game, an incredible point to break

182
00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:42,839
Speaker 3: as Vero serve in the second set, and then ran

183
00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:44,920
Speaker 3: away with that second set because let's face it, both

184
00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,439
Speaker 3: of these guys served so well, so big, and then

185
00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,600
Speaker 3: Yannick just played an incredible game at five all to

186
00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,679
Speaker 3: break and then served it out with no problem whatsoever.

187
00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,800
Speaker 1: So Yannick again just on fire indoors.

188
00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:00,600
Speaker 3: That's why I've picked him to win the the ATP

189
00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:04,080
Speaker 3: Tour Final, because it is indoors. And although Carlos you know,

190
00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,880
Speaker 3: has beaten him on occasions on a hard court, and

191
00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:12,400
Speaker 3: I believe indoors, I just feel like Yannick his power

192
00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,920
Speaker 3: is just you know. He hit a back end down

193
00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,080
Speaker 3: the line to give him breakpoint against Verev at five

194
00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,200
Speaker 3: all on the third It was an unbelievably long point

195
00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:21,760
Speaker 3: and then he just got the opportunity to go for

196
00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:23,920
Speaker 3: the back end down the line and hit just a

197
00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,920
Speaker 3: ridiculous back end down the line to win the to

198
00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,440
Speaker 3: get the break point, and then just too good on

199
00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,240
Speaker 3: Zverev made a pretty passive I believe error to lose

200
00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,480
Speaker 3: the game and then Yannick serves it out unbelievably.

201
00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,959
Speaker 1: Well, I think the biggest question for me with.

202
00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,320
Speaker 3: Janick is is Darren Kal going to keep going?

203
00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,520
Speaker 1: He has said that he's you know, this is his last.

204
00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:48,400
Speaker 3: Year, but man, you have to think that Janick's going

205
00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,840
Speaker 3: to be throwing a lot of dough his way to

206
00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,520
Speaker 3: like stick around and keep coaching, because you know, I know,

207
00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,760
Speaker 3: Darren's been coaching so long and it is such a

208
00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:58,600
Speaker 3: stressful job.

209
00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:00,720
Speaker 1: People think, how's it stressful? You got the best player

210
00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:01,160
Speaker 1: in the world.

211
00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,000
Speaker 3: It's not that difficult, blah blah blah, But the amount

212
00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:05,840
Speaker 3: of stress on you as a coach to get it right,

213
00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,680
Speaker 3: to tell them the right things, to give them the

214
00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:09,600
Speaker 3: right game plans.

215
00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,160
Speaker 1: And Darren's really big on the game plans.

216
00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,360
Speaker 3: And and just his whole thought process of getting Yani's

217
00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:19,440
Speaker 3: head around big matches. And it's going to be interesting

218
00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,440
Speaker 3: to see what happens if if Darren k Hill is

219
00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,520
Speaker 3: on the coaching bag next year, because you have to

220
00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:26,240
Speaker 3: think that Jani's gonna throw a lot of money out

221
00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:26,800
Speaker 3: him to stay.

222
00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:33,040
Speaker 2: I uh, you know, alex Verev played more aggressive than

223
00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,600
Speaker 2: he usually does, but he's just not that guy. He's

224
00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:36,320
Speaker 2: just not that guy.

225
00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:37,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not that guy.

226
00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,839
Speaker 2: He's not that guy. He's gonna falter what it counts,

227
00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,480
Speaker 2: not because his game's not great, not because he's not

228
00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,840
Speaker 2: a good mover, not because he has done well to

229
00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,559
Speaker 2: stay healthy the last two years. It's between the years

230
00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,720
Speaker 2: and uh, you know that said Center is, it's between

231
00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,640
Speaker 2: the incredibly dominant and it's hard to imagine anybody beating

232
00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:59,600
Speaker 2: him on hardcore for the rest of the year, certainly,

233
00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,480
Speaker 2: even though he has a chance to play against Carlos

234
00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:08,079
Speaker 2: Akaaz one more time before the ATP finals this week

235
00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,839
Speaker 2: in Master's one thousand Paris event, which is the last

236
00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,080
Speaker 2: big turn of the year for the men. So yeah,

237
00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,160
Speaker 2: I mean, for me, there's not so much that you

238
00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,400
Speaker 2: can say about Center that's particularly interesting. It's you know,

239
00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,360
Speaker 2: the most interesting thing Yannick Center has done is release

240
00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,520
Speaker 2: a single with Andrea Bocelli, which I don't feel like

241
00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:28,000
Speaker 2: anybody talked enough about frankly, but you know from the

242
00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,720
Speaker 2: tennis you know this guy keeps it between the tram lines.

243
00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,640
Speaker 2: And yeah, maybe if you're Darren Cahill, you just there's

244
00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:34,800
Speaker 2: only so much money you need.

245
00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:41,319
Speaker 3: No, No, he's not like Mark Zuckerberg money, you know

246
00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,439
Speaker 3: what I mean, Like he's still I would say I

247
00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,160
Speaker 3: would do it for another couple of years and then

248
00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,720
Speaker 3: sail off into the sunset and not even worry about doing.

249
00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:49,200
Speaker 1: Anything else the rest of my life.

250
00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:50,880
Speaker 3: I think the only problem is, you know, at some

251
00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,880
Speaker 3: point he is married, he does have kids, you know,

252
00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,240
Speaker 3: you know how you want to spend a little more

253
00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:58,960
Speaker 3: time with them. But I think Darren's one of the

254
00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,079
Speaker 3: most level headed human beings there is, and he'll make

255
00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,400
Speaker 3: the decision based on what's best for him and his family.

256
00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,679
Speaker 3: But it's certainly going I think it would be very difficult.

257
00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,319
Speaker 3: Yanick has spoken about how important Darren is. He's kind

258
00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,200
Speaker 3: of like a father figure to him, and he's been

259
00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,720
Speaker 3: such a great influence over him as a person. And

260
00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:17,920
Speaker 3: those of us are lucky enough to spend time around

261
00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,560
Speaker 3: Darren Cahle, like myself, he's always been sort of like that.

262
00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,400
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's just that guy you like talking

263
00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:28,920
Speaker 3: to and bouncing ideas off. And so I would.

264
00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:32,480
Speaker 2: Imagine, is he gonna say, is he still an ESPN commentator?

265
00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,559
Speaker 3: As far as I know, Yes, of course, So I

266
00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,800
Speaker 3: don't know, We'll see. Yeah, look, Darren has so many

267
00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:41,719
Speaker 3: opportunities to do what ever he once because he's so

268
00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:43,720
Speaker 3: sought after as a coach, as a commentator, is one

269
00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,960
Speaker 3: of the best commentators, if not the best commentator in

270
00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,400
Speaker 3: the world. And so you know, that's all all up

271
00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,040
Speaker 3: for grabs, and we'll see what happens. We'll see what

272
00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,560
Speaker 3: Janick does. And that's a big void, like there's somebody

273
00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,840
Speaker 3: who played myself, and when you have somebody around you

274
00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,160
Speaker 3: that's been so influential in your life, you know, as

275
00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,679
Speaker 3: a as a coach and as a player and as

276
00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:06,080
Speaker 3: a person as Darren is, it's going to be interesting

277
00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,920
Speaker 3: to see what happens there. And I would suspect that

278
00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,520
Speaker 3: those questions will be asked a lot of Yannick and

279
00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,720
Speaker 3: Darren in the next like two or three weeks about

280
00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:14,880
Speaker 3: what's going to happen.

281
00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:15,880
Speaker 1: So I don't know.

282
00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:22,439
Speaker 3: I have to I have to give our Juao von Seka,

283
00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,200
Speaker 3: what a great, terrific win for him, But his opponent

284
00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,000
Speaker 3: just can't win a match. He can't win a match

285
00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,280
Speaker 3: when it matters in the final to win a tournament.

286
00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:37,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Da Vidovich Fakina to me is overdue for a title.

287
00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:39,800
Speaker 2: But I think I don't think it's going to happen

288
00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:44,640
Speaker 2: on hard courts. No, it's hard to imagine that he

289
00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:48,360
Speaker 2: gets his first title on anything other than the deeply

290
00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:53,319
Speaker 2: read clay of Southern Europe, probably Spain, from which he originates.

291
00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,920
Speaker 2: But I draft on Cheka is really fun to watch. Obviously,

292
00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:00,000
Speaker 2: Brazil has had a couple of really fun moments this year,

293
00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,600
Speaker 2: watching this kid really come into his own. There's been

294
00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:08,120
Speaker 2: a little back and forth about his speech to davidovich Fakina,

295
00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,679
Speaker 2: just saying, hey, man, don't worry, you'll get here one day.

296
00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:15,600
Speaker 2: And it comes from the eighteen year old who's already nineteen,

297
00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:17,520
Speaker 2: from the nineteen year old who has already got two

298
00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,280
Speaker 2: ATP titles. I feel for those guys having to give

299
00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,400
Speaker 2: speeches and having to receive speeches, because, you know, not

300
00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,840
Speaker 2: everyone as a speaker, especially not in a non native language.

301
00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,640
Speaker 2: Who I'm sure they're doing their best, but it did

302
00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,920
Speaker 2: sort of elicit some chuckles among the tennis commentariat to hear,

303
00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,520
Speaker 2: you know, davidovich Fakina, always a bridesmaid, never a bride

304
00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:40,160
Speaker 2: getting a consolation speech from Jeoff Munsika, who's you know,

305
00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:41,440
Speaker 2: obviously after a latenings.

306
00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,360
Speaker 1: But can I just say it reminds me of I

307
00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:44,600
Speaker 1: don't know if you remember.

308
00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:49,480
Speaker 3: This was when Andy Roddick lost to Roger Federer in

309
00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,520
Speaker 3: the finals of Wimbledon in that epic of course, I

310
00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,400
Speaker 3: remember the nightmare sixteen fourteen whatever it was, in the

311
00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,440
Speaker 3: fifth set, and Andy did barely did he lost of

312
00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,240
Speaker 3: one time in the whole match, still lost the tournament

313
00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,640
Speaker 3: and had lost I think two couple of Wimbledon finals,

314
00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,960
Speaker 3: you know, or whatever is. And Roger turns around says, hey, man,

315
00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,560
Speaker 3: I know how you feel because Roger lost the year

316
00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:16,560
Speaker 3: before to Rafa, and Andy's face, I'll never forget. It's like,

317
00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,680
Speaker 3: are you effing kidding me? You know, because you know

318
00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:21,360
Speaker 3: Andy would have thought that in his head because it

319
00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,360
Speaker 3: was like, wait, you're empathizing with me because you lost

320
00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,480
Speaker 3: that one time in a final of Wimbledon, and you're

321
00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:29,640
Speaker 3: gonna say, hey, dude, I know how you feel. No,

322
00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:31,560
Speaker 3: you don't know how I feel because I have never

323
00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,680
Speaker 3: won Wimbledon and you've already won it like five times,

324
00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:34,760
Speaker 3: So go fuck yourself.

325
00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciated that, I feel like Andy. One of

326
00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,880
Speaker 2: the things that makes some great commentator and why his

327
00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,040
Speaker 2: podcast is so entertaining, is because he related some pull

328
00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,120
Speaker 2: punches and like, you know, look, Roger was the epitome

329
00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,960
Speaker 2: of that corporate class era of everyone you know, following

330
00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,720
Speaker 2: them over themselves to saying something that was nice as

331
00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,040
Speaker 2: opposed to something that was sort of a little bit

332
00:15:56,080 --> 00:16:02,320
Speaker 2: more I don't know, less polished. Say I feel like,

333
00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,920
Speaker 2: bring back shit talking in the speeches. That'll be much

334
00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,840
Speaker 2: more interesting. Otherwise they're just boring to watch.

335
00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:11,680
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's on YouTube. It would be

336
00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:13,720
Speaker 3: funny to watch it on YouTube. But you should go

337
00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,240
Speaker 3: find the speech of that because Andy's face told the

338
00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:20,280
Speaker 3: story like, no, dude, you actually don't know how I feel,

339
00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:21,960
Speaker 3: So go fund yourself.

340
00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,920
Speaker 2: Anyway, we need more cursing, and especially.

341
00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,280
Speaker 1: At Wimbledon, especially at Wimbledon.

342
00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, they really appreciate salty language at Wimbledon. Hopefully between

343
00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,480
Speaker 2: or the royal family is there, so you know, just

344
00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,680
Speaker 2: more more the mirror. How good can jofud take a

345
00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,040
Speaker 2: get he hits the ship out of the ball, say.

346
00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:43,400
Speaker 3: That very very, very very I mean the guy his

347
00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:48,040
Speaker 3: forehand is massive, How good can he get much much better?

348
00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,040
Speaker 3: I think he can improve on his serve. I don't

349
00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:54,040
Speaker 3: think his service motion is I don't love it. I

350
00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,640
Speaker 3: think that it's the sort of abbreviated. I think he

351
00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:57,960
Speaker 3: can get a little bit a lot more on it.

352
00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,720
Speaker 3: And listen, you can say it is what it is, Well,

353
00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:01,400
Speaker 3: no it's not. It is what it is because look

354
00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,080
Speaker 3: at Yanick Sinner what he did a couple of years

355
00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,720
Speaker 3: ago thanks to Darren Kale really emphasizing the step up

356
00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,760
Speaker 3: with the foot. You can change your service motion, especially

357
00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:11,480
Speaker 3: when you're that age. And I would like to see

358
00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,679
Speaker 3: him get a little bit more risks snap. I'd like

359
00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:16,560
Speaker 3: to see him get a little bit more on his serve.

360
00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,760
Speaker 3: He's not the biggest guy, so it's not going to

361
00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,240
Speaker 3: be as easy for someone like you know, Janick Sinner

362
00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,600
Speaker 3: who's very told to get that explosiveness and quick wrist

363
00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,320
Speaker 3: snap and leg drive up into the ball and just

364
00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,480
Speaker 3: get five to seven to eight more hour miles per

365
00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,359
Speaker 3: hour on the ball. But I do think he can

366
00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,040
Speaker 3: improve on that. You think he's back and can get

367
00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,000
Speaker 3: even better. But the thing that I love about him,

368
00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:42,280
Speaker 3: very much like Carlos al Karaz and I guess Novak

369
00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,280
Speaker 3: and Yannick in some ways, and we've talked about this

370
00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:47,560
Speaker 3: about Taylor Fritz, is that his willingness to move forward

371
00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:51,200
Speaker 3: and he has fabulous volleys like his forehand volley, And

372
00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,399
Speaker 3: I always judge a volleyer by often by their forehand

373
00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,280
Speaker 3: volley because it's not as natural as the back end volley.

374
00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:01,119
Speaker 1: Should shouldn't it the back and should be more natural.

375
00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:02,879
Speaker 3: That's why you'll see players run in and sort of

376
00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:04,679
Speaker 3: hit an inside out back and bolli as opposed to

377
00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:06,639
Speaker 3: hitting a forehand volley.

378
00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:11,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sort of pointing at myself, but his forehand.

379
00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,200
Speaker 3: Volley and his volleys are excellent, Like he hit a

380
00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,000
Speaker 3: couple of really big ones on big points in that final,

381
00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:22,760
Speaker 3: and I think if I think for him that layering

382
00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,880
Speaker 3: and layering and layering is only going to get better.

383
00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,040
Speaker 3: Nineteen years of age, he has about three or four

384
00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:31,920
Speaker 3: years to really develop the serve, the backhand, the variety hits,

385
00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:35,440
Speaker 3: the beautiful drop shot. Like it's amazing to me after

386
00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,720
Speaker 3: watching these guys play, how much they really implement the

387
00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,320
Speaker 3: drop shot in the points now because they're both all

388
00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,000
Speaker 3: these players are so quick on the baseline and they're

389
00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,199
Speaker 3: all so good with their groundstrokes that they have to

390
00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,600
Speaker 3: have variety, and so the variety is the drop the

391
00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,320
Speaker 3: drop shot off the forehand, which we're seeing implemented even

392
00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,440
Speaker 3: more and more than it was in the back ten

393
00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,520
Speaker 3: to fifteen years ago thanks to Carlos really implementing that

394
00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,439
Speaker 3: forehand drop shot into the game. But it's the movement

395
00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,960
Speaker 3: for it forward and his volleys are excellent, like really

396
00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,879
Speaker 3: really good. So I just I think his upside is huge.

397
00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:09,719
Speaker 3: I think he would have learned a lot about himself

398
00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:11,560
Speaker 3: this year with a pressure on him to do better,

399
00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,320
Speaker 3: and he hasn't had a great year quote unquote for

400
00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,640
Speaker 3: what we expected the way he started the year when

401
00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:20,560
Speaker 3: he smoked rub Lev at the Strain Open this year

402
00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:21,840
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, here he comes.

403
00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:23,760
Speaker 1: But he didn't really have I mean, had a very

404
00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,000
Speaker 1: good year. Particularly it's number nineteen.

405
00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:27,919
Speaker 3: But when you think about Karlas Saukaraz, he'd already won

406
00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:31,240
Speaker 3: a Grand Slam at nineteen, so you know, you was

407
00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,719
Speaker 3: open and so. But I think he sort of. I

408
00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:38,200
Speaker 3: love his attitude, he's the crowd love him. His forehand

409
00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:42,880
Speaker 3: is massive. I think he has to improve on the

410
00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,640
Speaker 3: depth of his backhand. He has the variety with the slice,

411
00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:47,160
Speaker 3: but I love that he moves in and I think

412
00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:51,680
Speaker 3: his serf can improve. So yeah, tons of upside, and yeah,

413
00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,719
Speaker 3: I'm hoping I know you hate to hear this, Caitlin,

414
00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:58,720
Speaker 3: because you don't like these rivalries, but I do feel

415
00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,160
Speaker 3: like Sinner and and Alcarez are so heads and shoulders

416
00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:03,120
Speaker 3: above everybody else.

417
00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,400
Speaker 1: But I think Ja Fonseka can.

418
00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:09,040
Speaker 3: Get there to really push those guys, because I hope

419
00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:09,920
Speaker 3: so a lot.

420
00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the downside for all this, and

421
00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,760
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to be the no no or like

422
00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,399
Speaker 2: negative about it. It's just the ATP is so boring

423
00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,920
Speaker 2: right now that I don't it's hard to engage with it. Like, yes,

424
00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,399
Speaker 2: we already pretty much know the outcome of a lot

425
00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,119
Speaker 2: in the next two tournaments that are going to be played.

426
00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:33,639
Speaker 2: I am dying hoping against hope that Felix O j

427
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:38,600
Speaker 2: eli Asim, who won a tournament in Belgium this past week,

428
00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:44,320
Speaker 2: who's really really most alive in most himself on indoor

429
00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,760
Speaker 2: hard courts. I hope somehow he gets in there as

430
00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,480
Speaker 2: a disruptor and maybe make some noise at Paris or

431
00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,600
Speaker 2: the ATP finals. I think the thing I don't like

432
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:56,680
Speaker 2: about rivalries is just that they tend to de emphasize

433
00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,960
Speaker 2: the pack, and I don't like when things feel pre ordained,

434
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,560
Speaker 2: and I don't like out for gun conclusions. I think

435
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:06,439
Speaker 2: that's really boring. And so when we only have like

436
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,320
Speaker 2: how many more can this one guy win or how

437
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,720
Speaker 2: many you know, like a lot of times the matches

438
00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,560
Speaker 2: aren't particularly competitive or good, like we saw at the

439
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,040
Speaker 2: US Open, and granted probably Yanik was not you know,

440
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,359
Speaker 2: physically fit for that match, but you know, they only

441
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 2: really turned into classics on on certain occasions. And I think,

442
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:26,720
Speaker 2: for me, what I want to see out of the

443
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 2: ATP certainly is that the Taylor Fritz is the zverevs.

444
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 2: The guys who are top five, not even the guys

445
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:35,360
Speaker 2: who are top ten. Let's talk about the guy who

446
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 2: are top five. I want to see them taking some

447
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,640
Speaker 2: wins in the finals when it matters, when it counts,

448
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,480
Speaker 2: not necessarily in the Grand Slams, although yes, also the

449
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,719
Speaker 2: Grand Slams. But I think the reason that the WTA

450
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,199
Speaker 2: to me, just remains such a superior product from a

451
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 2: spectating viewpoint is it's up in the air, like I

452
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,120
Speaker 2: don't know what's going to happen. I don't know which

453
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,639
Speaker 2: version of Arena sbalanc is going to show up. Is

454
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,159
Speaker 2: it the one who won the US Open and the

455
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:02,480
Speaker 2: one who won Australia twice. Or is it the one

456
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,719
Speaker 2: who loses her mind and goes a wall. Is it

457
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:10,719
Speaker 2: Ega from pre uh, you know, pre Wimberley Wimbledon, Or

458
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,919
Speaker 2: is it Ega who looked unstoppable and and you know,

459
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 2: mows everybody down. Are we going to get a wild card?

460
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:17,399
Speaker 3: Like?

461
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 2: Are we going to get a Rebakina who's obviously the

462
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 2: last to qualify but has done extremely well on a

463
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 2: hard courts in years past, particularly when they're fast. So

464
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,640
Speaker 2: you know, like, to me, that's exciting, like maybe Jess

465
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 2: mc pawolini is gonna come out of nowhere and snatcha title.

466
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 2: What I like about the WTA finals in particular is

467
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,640
Speaker 2: you get some sort of counterintuitive winners. You know, Caroline

468
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:44,440
Speaker 2: Garcia has won a WTA final, we had Fiddlina has

469
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 2: won a won a WTA final. We had Garbinia Magrutha,

470
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 2: who you know obviously won two slams. But like they're

471
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 2: they're the unpredictability is of it? To me is the

472
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 2: exciting part. And so yeah, I hope you're right. I

473
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 2: hope j'ofon Seka gets in there and I hope he

474
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 2: really surges. I hope one of these guys who frankly

475
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 2: is probably risking looking like the second Lost generation. Now

476
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 2: that Center and Alchoriz are installed at the top, and

477
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 2: you know they they didn't miss a beat between the

478
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,479
Speaker 2: Big four or Big three and now these two guys.

479
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,640
Speaker 2: You know, what's what's Taylor Fritzer or Alex Verev got

480
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 2: to say about it? Tcpass looks like he's lost at sea.

481
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,959
Speaker 2: You know, there's really not too many guys. He's you know,

482
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,439
Speaker 2: he's on a mental journey. But like, what are we

483
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 2: doing here, guys, Like let's step it up, Like are

484
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 2: you guys cool just showing up and collecting your third

485
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,400
Speaker 2: place paycheck every week? Like I don't know that. I mean, look,

486
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 2: I would be candidly fine with that, but I don't

487
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 2: think that that's what you think of when you wake

488
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 2: up every morning as a professional athlete, Like, oh, I'm cool,

489
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 2: bronze for me. Let me get my cafeteria tray and

490
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,400
Speaker 2: just take whatever slop's left over from these two dudes.

491
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 2: It's like, come on, dudes, get fired up, Like it's

492
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 2: not making this boring, you know, so anyway, you've you've

493
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 2: you've gotten me all now. But how I feel about

494
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 2: the ATP it feels like it's going to be all

495
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 2: over everybody else. Now you come at me, bros like

496
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 2: it's it's it's two guys and everybody else. And until

497
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 2: that changes, I don't know. I can't get that excited

498
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 2: about it.

499
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, sits a pass Withdrew sort of hours

500
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 3: before his opening round just recently in Vienna. But he

501
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 3: had no problem going to collect his one point five

502
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 3: million at the six Kings, but all of a sudden

503
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 3: he has a back problem. So I mean, get your bag, bro,

504
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 3: I mean get your bag, and then.

505
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 2: I mean Vera, I've played one fifty four minute match.

506
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean so with I mean the amount of

507
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 3: injuries as well, Like Felix Asia ali Usim, your guy

508
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 3: is trying to make the ATP finals, had to withdraw

509
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,719
Speaker 3: against Mina after losing the first set. So there's like

510
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 3: they're like limping to the finish line.

511
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 2: It's brutal, it's.

512
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 3: It's it's tough out that rude as well, he's struggling

513
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 3: coming down the end with injuries.

514
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 1: So there's there's guys pulling out left and right.

515
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 3: But you know, when I look at the men's schedule

516
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,959
Speaker 3: as well, these are big tournaments that these guys are

517
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 3: sort of like trying to get into the a TV finals,

518
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 3: but you know, the women are already in rear, they're

519
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 3: getting ready to play, and the guys are still going

520
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 3: and like and playing Masters one thousand tournaments. Like, I mean,

521
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 3: can we talk about how packed this section, like this

522
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 3: part of the drawers for the men indoors in Europe,

523
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 3: and they're just adding like these random exhibitions in like

524
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 3: the Middle East.

525
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: It's just crazy. I mean, Sinner clearly didn't matter.

526
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 3: He won six kings, then he goes and wins, you know,

527
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 3: another tournament in Europe.

528
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: So but he is.

529
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 3: The difference with him, I feel is he is so

530
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 3: assured of his schedule and his load on his body

531
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 3: and when he wants to play and when he doesn't

532
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 3: want to play, and when he does decide to play,

533
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 3: he usually follows.

534
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 1: Through and finishes a tournament.

535
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 3: And so I don't know if that's testament to his fitness,

536
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 3: his work ethic or what, but he certainly has no

537
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 3: problem getting to the end of these tournament.

538
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think maybe it's also his style of play,

539
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 2: like he is very very He's not there's nothing wild

540
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 2: going on, you know what. I mean, like unless something

541
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 2: out of Yeah, there's an efficiency to him, like you know,

542
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,120
Speaker 2: watching him on the US Open courts, you know, he's

543
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 2: not taking any extra detours. He's not you know, he's

544
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 2: not looking to extend any rallies. He doesn't have to, like,

545
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 2: let's get it done, get off court, get into recovery,

546
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 2: and get ready for the next you know what I mean.

547
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 2: So there's a brutal efficiency that. But I also think,

548
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 2: like you know, when it comes to the schedule, which

549
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 2: now we should definitely talk about, especially as we're on

550
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 2: the topic of the ATP. You know, when it comes

551
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 2: to the schedule, I think John Mortham made the very

552
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 2: interesting point and I want to piggyback off of it

553
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 2: because I think he was right and although I'm not

554
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 2: sure exactly why, and I want your help figuring out

555
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 2: if you agree. John Wortham said this whole thing about

556
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 2: the schedule being both highly highly problematic and also a symptom,

557
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 2: not a cause of the exhibitions. The exhibitions are problematic

558
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 2: in the sense that they are perceived as being competing

559
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 2: for the players and also you know, obviously taking the

560
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 2: players into another performance environment in which they can get

561
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 2: hurt and that in a year where the season is

562
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 2: too long already and when they're getting injured already, like

563
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 2: that's not great. On the other hand, if the season

564
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 2: were coherent and maybe made sense, we maybe would see

565
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 2: less of these exhibitions. That's the point where I'm was

566
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 2: making and I feel like it's true, although I'm not

567
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: sure I can articulate why I think it's true, and

568
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 2: so I don't actually think it's that productive to single

569
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 2: out any one exhibition. You know, Yeah, the Saudi's paid

570
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 2: more than labor Cup did, but both of them meant

571
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 2: exactly the same, which is zero. So what is it

572
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 2: about the exhibitions versus length of schedule that we can

573
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: fix in one fell swoop? Because I don't know that

574
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 2: we should be prohibiting people from going and making money

575
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 2: wherever they want to make it, and I absolutely you

576
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 2: have made that point many times on this show. So

577
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,199
Speaker 2: it's for me, it's just more of a question of like,

578
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 2: how can we get what we want out of tennis,

579
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 2: which is a massive meta narrative that makes sense because

580
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 2: right now it doesn't and players that are healthy because

581
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 2: right now they're not.

582
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 3: Are you getting paid by the minute with saying meta

583
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 3: on this podcast today.

584
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 2: I'm not getting paid to anything by Meta damn it.

585
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 2: Unfortunately they rebranded to a very useful adjective. Otherwise they

586
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 2: would never utter their word at all.

587
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: You know, it's it is an interesting conversation.

588
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 3: Then you and I have talked about ad nauseum on

589
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 3: our pod, about adding these weeks and adding these schedules

590
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 3: and getting on a plane and going to practice, and

591
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 3: you're not going to just there's some exhibitions.

592
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: Where you just don't give a you know what.

593
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 3: And I would suspect that Alcarez or some of these

594
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 3: players don't even hit a ball before they go and

595
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 3: play Rod Labor Prod Labor, the Labor Cup like this

596
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 3: is so quick after the US Open that they need

597
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 3: a break, you know, physically and mentally and emotionally, and

598
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 3: so you know, you know, I know that like Carlos

599
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 3: went and played the Garden Cup here at Madison Square

600
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 3: Garden in December, I think it was he hadn't hit

601
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 3: a ball in like two or three weeks.

602
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 2: So, by the way, Carlos has two of those coming up.

603
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 2: He's coming back to New York and I think doing

604
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 2: somebody in New Jersey, and he's got another one in Miami,

605
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 2: So like, yeah, there's not the you know, I get

606
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 2: the temptation to beat up on Saudi and we can

607
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 2: certainly do that, especially when you talk about the Master's

608
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 2: one thousands. But I think you know, no, I'm not

609
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 2: saying by you, but like by people, by'd be like

610
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 2: six King Slam there, Ai marketing was terrible. There ar

611
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 2: marketing was terrible, six King Slam. Do we feel comfortable

612
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: with this? That's separate conversation. But like as an exhibition,

613
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 2: can't critique it without critiquing.

614
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: We critique every exhibition.

615
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 2: And I'm not again, I'm not saying you, I'm saying

616
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 2: the tennis governing, the tennis chattering class tends to want

617
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 2: to you know, have exceptional Well, well, no, Labor Cup

618
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: is more real because it's no, it's not. It's not

619
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 2: one bit more real. Like it's not real. Don't tell

620
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 2: me that they care because they're playing for you know, yick, noah,

621
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 2: don't you know.

622
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 3: I would like to see I would like to see

623
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 3: these exhibitions or some of them be played every couple

624
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 3: of years, right and so interesting like the l at

625
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 3: P and W T A. I'm hearing more and more

626
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 3: that you know, there might be a combined atp w

627
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 3: t A in the coming year or two, and I

628
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 3: think that would be great. I think that you combine everything,

629
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 3: you really strategically sit down and you say, what are

630
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 3: important parts around the world, where do we want to play,

631
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 3: Where are we strategically putting the bigger tournaments, and you

632
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 3: carve out some areas where there's exhibition play those players.

633
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 3: You think about someone like gunnix Inn or alcoraz Mades,

634
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 3: how much did they get paid to go and play

635
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 3: six kings. I mean, it's just insane, but it's like

636
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 3: they can make that money easily. They're getting paid a

637
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 3: million dollars a night for an exhibition. So you know,

638
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 3: that's why we sort of, I don't complain, but when

639
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 3: people say the Grand slams Majors need to give more

640
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 3: money to the players, that's why. Because they're playing seven

641
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 3: matches to win about four million dollars and you think

642
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 3: they just got paid five million right to go to

643
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 3: Saudi and play no matches that counted or they cared

644
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 3: about right for no pressure, no pressure, no nothing, nothing

645
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,719
Speaker 3: on the line. Just here's some money play for our

646
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 3: people in front of our people in our country and

647
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 3: whitewasher sport. Right here we are, and then you're playing

648
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 3: seven matches of intensity and stress and injuries and fighting

649
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 3: through shit and like dealing with the press and dealing

650
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 3: with you know, not the fans, but like there's all

651
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 3: of that stuff around you, and you're winning four million

652
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 3: dollars or four and a half million dollars or maybe

653
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 3: five million dollars, right depending on what Grand Slam you're winning.

654
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 3: So when people are like, wow, they're still making a

655
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 3: lot of money, it was like, really a mages, not really,

656
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 3: when these majors are winning taking home hundreds of millions

657
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 3: of dollars, you know, whether it be the French Federation, Wimbledon, whatever,

658
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: whoever it is, we always yeah.

659
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: I think it's it's very very useful to think less

660
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: about the top line number for the prize money and

661
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 2: much more useful to think about it as a proportion.

662
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 2: The players are making a fraction of the money that

663
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 2: the Slams are making. The Slams are rich beyond your

664
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: wildest beliefs, and the truth is the most of the

665
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: other tournaments are not making that much money, and they

666
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 2: cannot afford both the appearance fees and the prize money.

667
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 2: To keep them. So if the choice, and I'm say,

668
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: steph TC Busle, let's not pick on him at all,

669
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,239
Speaker 2: because you know, I actually really love him, but like

670
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 2: it is my choice to maybe I think he probably

671
00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 2: does have a little bit of a lingering back issue,

672
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: certainly been something he's dealt with the last couple of years.

673
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: Go make one million dollars in fifty seconds in over

674
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 2: a weekend, or play a two fifty for a total

675
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 2: prize money of two hundred k in Hong Kong. Yeah,

676
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 2: this guy already trains in Dubai. Going to Saudi is

677
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: an hour and a half flight yep. Okay, So like

678
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 2: what's it's like that that's a that's an insane choice

679
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 2: to expect anybody to make for what But.

680
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 3: I guess I guess going back to John's point, it's

681
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 3: like what comes first, the chicken or the egg or

682
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 3: what comes first?

683
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: Like what's where's the problem?

684
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 2: Lie?

685
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 3: And you know, maybe talking to the players a little

686
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 3: bit more about how we can make it better. And certainly, look,

687
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 3: I'm as you said, I'm not against any of these

688
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 3: players going making a million and a half dollars to like,

689
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 3: if you're getting paid that, go for it.

690
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: Or five million dollars if you're Yannick and Carlos.

691
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 3: They deserve it and they're getting you know, Netflix paid

692
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 3: for it to put it on their on their screens.

693
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,479
Speaker 3: People watched it, so you know, Netflix wants to get

694
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 3: a little bit more into sports and into tennis.

695
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: Go for it.

696
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 3: It's only going to betterment. It's only betterment for the

697
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 3: players in the future of the sport.

698
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: So I'm all for it.

699
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 3: But make sure that like the Vienna's and the Basels

700
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 3: and you know, the Tokyo's and all this where players

701
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 3: are pulling out, the tours have to really make sure

702
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 3: that that's not happening and figure out a way to

703
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 3: make it better for everybody, including the people that are

704
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 3: putting money up at These tournaments are a lot.

705
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 2: Of money, and I think for me, there's two ways

706
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 2: to go about this, and I think, you know, here's

707
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 2: the portion where I try to be positive and opera

708
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 2: solutions instead of just complaining, which is you know, I

709
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 2: think it is very realistic, especially if the tours merge

710
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 2: in some meaningful way, that the schedule will get shorter,

711
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 2: there will be fewer tournaments. And say what you will

712
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 2: about the two week long Masters one thousands. I think

713
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 2: a lot of people think they're too long. I can

714
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 2: understand that we're not going to have that debate at

715
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 2: this moment because we've talked about it a lot on

716
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,919
Speaker 2: this show. But I think for me, the the when

717
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 2: you say the sacrifice that smaller tournaments will have to

718
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 2: make by not being a Master's one thousand or a Slam,

719
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 2: which is true, if those gain and importance are remain

720
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 2: most important, then somebody's got to be a loser. What

721
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 2: I would love to see the tours do in that

722
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 2: regard is not necessarily jets in those tournaments, because we

723
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: know for a fact that the players ranked outside of

724
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 2: the top fifty desperately want to be able to play

725
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 2: every week, to make money, to be able to get

726
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: their points, and everything that goes along with just being

727
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 2: a touring professional that we don't necessarily see because they're

728
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 2: not necessarily the ones who are most vocal at the top,

729
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 2: which is the tours need to definitively invest in making

730
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 2: the tournament themselves, Tennis, the tennis itself, and the players

731
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 2: more interesting and noteworthy than just the top ten players.

732
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 2: Right now, tennis doesn't have a very good marketing system

733
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: and the players really market themselves, so they want to

734
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 2: pat themselves on the back for being like, we have

735
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 2: the most dynamic, interesting athletes, and it's like, yeah, not

736
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 2: because of you. What your job is is to make

737
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 2: sure that whether Vienna has number fifty through number one

738
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty in their draws, it is seen as

739
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: just a valid and interesting and great imistration of professional tennis.

740
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 2: As if you had four gas ranked in the top ten.

741
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 2: Now that's a long road to hoe, and that's a

742
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 2: very sort of subtle critique. But I think tennis itself,

743
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 2: if you have a tennis tournament in your town, it

744
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 2: doesn't matter if you've never heard of a single person

745
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 2: hitting a ball, they will be the best tennis player

746
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 2: you've ever seen. And I think until tennis as an

747
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 2: establishment starts selling this sport is that then it's going

748
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 2: to be to have and have nots even more drastically

749
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: than already is now, especially in a new reformed universe

750
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 2: where the two second tier tournaments don't even get a

751
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 2: second thought. And so for me, the world of tennis

752
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: needs to do a much better job of marketing the

753
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 2: experience of seeing live tennis at a high level, and

754
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter if there's a name brand player in

755
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 2: the draw or not.

756
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: It just helps. Okay, So let's talk a little bit

757
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: about the ladies.

758
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 3: I want to give a shout out to Blinda Benchicch

759
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 3: who came through a just an exhaustive week this week

760
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,879
Speaker 3: to win in Tokyo at a tournament that I used

761
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 3: to love playing in the Pan Pacific, but it used

762
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 3: to be at the start of the year. Now it's

763
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 3: at the end of the year because all the women's

764
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 3: tournaments are in Asia. But Belinda Benchicic who survived a

765
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 3: match point down against Mukhova and then comes through after

766
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 3: being on court for like almost six hours before the

767
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 3: final even started, and she gets the job done in

768
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 3: straight sets against Oskova, who played about thirty five minutes

769
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 3: to get to the final because she had a default

770
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 3: from Ribak in the semi finals and the Rebeki Na

771
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 3: solidified her spot off into the WTA finals.

772
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,919
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk there. I'll start a new link.

773
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 2: So good. No, actually we've got most of that. You

774
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: said the Oskova played about eleven minutes to get to

775
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 2: the final, and then I think you're going to make

776
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 2: one final point about Benchec.

777
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so I just want to give a huge

778
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 3: shout out to Belinda Benchicch that's the year outside of

779
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 3: like the top five hundred, I believe, and finishes like this,

780
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 3: a player that we've all always known is such a

781
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 3: great player. I knew that Noscova was going to have

782
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 3: a hard time against her because Belinda Benchicz is that

783
00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 3: type of player that if you hit hard to her,

784
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 3: she was going to come back because she just has

785
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 3: that beautiful ability to take a ball really fast on

786
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 3: a fast court, which Tokyo is and Noskova hadn't really

787
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 3: played a lot of tennis getting into the final, whereas Benchitch,

788
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 3: on the other hand, had played oodles and hours and

789
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 3: hours of tennis, including that epic match against Mukhova. And

790
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 3: so I'm just like, that's just huge. You know, comes

791
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 3: back has a kid. I think she's really I think

792
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 3: it's really helped her. I think a lot of people

793
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 3: have come back what must have had a baby. Their

794
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 3: the perception on things is so much different. And she

795
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 3: was a little petulant from time to time in the court,

796
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 3: whereas I think she's certainly improved on that now being

797
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 3: a mom. She's just like, I can't act like that like,

798
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 3: I've got a little girl like watching me play tennis. Now,

799
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 3: so yeah, I mean her excitement level when she won

800
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 3: that time it was pretty big. This is a you know,

801
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 3: former well never former always gold medal champion at the

802
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 3: Olympics and certainly likes to play in Japan because that's

803
00:38:58,480 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 3: where she picks up a lot of her big time,

804
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 3: having won the Tokyo Olympic Games. So so yeah, a

805
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 3: huge effort from her. It was, you know, possible that

806
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 3: she was going to play Rebarkin in the final instead

807
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 3: of Noskova, but Ribarkin had pulled out with an injury

808
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 3: to her back. Now I just wonder she had made

809
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 3: the WTA finals by winning that quarterfinal match and getting

810
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 3: to the semifinals, and you just wonder if she's like

811
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 3: I gotta get to read see a piece out or

812
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 3: if she you know, it was a legit back problem.

813
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying it wasn't because you know, likelihoods

814
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 3: it was because you always want to win a tournament

815
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 3: and she was probably well and truly the favorite to

816
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 3: win that tournament in Tokyo if she'd made the finals. Now,

817
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 3: certainly you would think that she would want to play

818
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 3: because she hasn't had a great She ends up making

819
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 3: the WTAF finals, but for her standards, she hasn't won

820
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 3: a tournament.

821
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: For a little bit.

822
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 3: It would feel really good winning a tournament then going

823
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 3: in to play the the WTAF finals. So you know,

824
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 3: the back is a bit of a concern going into

825
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 3: the WTAF finals.

826
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: Ye about Andreva not being able to get a visa,

827
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: So we just.

828
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: Kind of bring that up. I mean, it is so

829
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 2: hard to fathom, and it really makes the irregularity of

830
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,720
Speaker 2: visa problems which pop up occasionally time to time, usually

831
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 2: not to Japan. Usually it's a little bit more. You know,

832
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 2: Russia has been an issue in years past. Obviously that's

833
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 2: less of an issue now that there's no main major

834
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 2: tournaments out there, you know, China, obviously there's like political hotspots,

835
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 2: so we can get into. But the fact that like

836
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 2: they're just like a paperwork problem, it seems it's hard

837
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 2: to know whether that was Mira Andreva and her team

838
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 2: not filing for a visa application in time. It's hard

839
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 2: to imagine they would have rejected her. But we learned

840
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 2: this because our friend Anastasia, who we did a live

841
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 2: podcast with in the spring around the French Open was

842
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 2: tweeting about it being nuts that the WTA, you know,

843
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 2: final contender Andreva couldn't get to Japan, and our friend

844
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 2: Ellen Perez was the one who was like, yeah, she

845
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 2: had a visa issue. So Twitter did a little bit

846
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 2: of reporting because of Anastasia's tweeting, which and again just

847
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 2: so random. And again you don't know if Andreava, even

848
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: if she shows up, is going to get that far

849
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 2: enough in the tournament to win. You know, this is

850
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 2: when all those scenarios come into place. Probably she would

851
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 2: be in the finals or at least in contention for them,

852
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 2: but you never know. Things have a way of you know,

853
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 2: being surprising. But yeah, no, it is crazy that the

854
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 2: thing that blocked her was when it came down to it, paperwork.

855
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 3: Related Caitlin, she was six points, okay, six points behind

856
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 3: Jasmin Paulini.

857
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:43,720
Speaker 2: It's crazy.

858
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: If she wins one round in Tokyo she is in

859
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: What happened?

860
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 2: I mean, I know you don't know, but like speculate.

861
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 3: I think that she didn't expect to need to go

862
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 3: to Japan and so did and have the visa in time,

863
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 3: because it takes sometimes weeks to get a visa and

864
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 3: approved and particularly being Russian, it's more of a nightmare,

865
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 3: as we have heard from our fellow guests that have

866
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 3: had we've had.

867
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: On the pod. So I don't think she expected.

868
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 3: To need to go to Japan and then all of

869
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 3: a sudden the last minute trying to scramble to get

870
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 3: a visa to get into the tournament and it wasn't possible.

871
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 3: But you know, Elena Rabakina jumped over her. Okay, because

872
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 3: Mira Andreva currently, if you look at the points after

873
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 3: the tournaments were finished, is forty three hundred and nineteen

874
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 3: points and Rebarkina is forty three one hundred and fifty

875
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 3: points and jumped ahead of Mattie Keys and ahead of

876
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 3: Paulini by.

877
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: Like mire points. We're talking like twenty points separates four players.

878
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 3: And that happened a couple of years ago when I

879
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 3: was coaching Carolina Police Gover same thing. There was four

880
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 3: players literally going for the last like three spots, and

881
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 3: Elena Switzerlina, interestingly enough, was the person that was looking

882
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 3: through the glasshouse at everyone going to play Moscow and

883
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 3: she couldn't get into Moscow. So she went to Bali

884
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,919
Speaker 3: on a holiday and said, fuck it, I'm out of here,

885
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 3: and then all of those players lost.

886
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: In the first round.

887
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 3: Carolina Police go Over lost first round in Moscow, Sloan

888
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 3: Stevens last first round in Moscow, and I'm trying to

889
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 3: remember the other one who lost first round of Moscow,

890
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 3: so they only got one point, so she stayed in.

891
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 3: And then Simona Hallap who was ahead of everybody, pulled out.

892
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: Because she hurt herself. So they all.

893
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 3: Got in, including Switzelina, who was on a holiday in

894
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 3: Bali not caring and got in.

895
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: And guess what she did.

896
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 2: That's good, that's a good lesson in Uh, you know,

897
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: anything could happen chaos, I will see. Let me see

898
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,959
Speaker 2: something actually, which kind of to the point of being

899
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 2: in Bali and by the time you decide you don't care,

900
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: you're so relaxed and maybe you just show up for

901
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 2: the tour finals and you play your face off. As

902
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 2: you just said. I don't think it's a bad thing

903
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 2: that Miron Dreva did not get qualified for Riady And

904
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 2: we'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. I love

905
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 2: Miro Andreva. She is one of my favorite players, and

906
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 2: to me, she is what I was saying about the

907
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 2: ATP being a sort of outside of the top two,

908
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 2: kind of a wasteland of could have, should have and

909
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 2: would have. But Mirror Andreva is dynamite. She is going

910
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 2: to be great. She has moments of being great, as

911
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 2: we have seen, certainly in the beginning part of this year,

912
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 2: you know, in the Middle East and in uh in

913
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,240
Speaker 2: Ewells beating Sablanca, which is like one of the most

914
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 2: definitive losses that I think Sebolanka has taken, and certainly

915
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 2: a definitive win from Mirion Dreva. She has looked so bad,

916
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 2: and I don't mean bad in the tennis spence. I

917
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 2: think bad in the soul sense. In the last six

918
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 2: to eight weeks. I think she is post and I

919
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 2: think spiritually she needs to go to Bali and she

920
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 2: needs to be like, you know what, I'm still a teen.

921
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 2: I've had a great start to this year, a lot

922
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 2: of pressure mounted, and then when push came to shove,

923
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 2: I didn't get it done. I didn't show up fully

924
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 2: prepared and or I kind of threw some fits on

925
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 2: the court. And I'm going to give her a big

926
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 2: pass because she's young, and I think part of her

927
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 2: emotion is in fact what fuels her fantastic, brilliant and

928
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 2: varied tennis that I like so much, and we haven't

929
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 2: ever seen it really an outburst directed anybody, but it

930
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: seems like her box and her own self. It feels

931
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 2: more Medvedevian than it does like her, you know, sort

932
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 2: of getting in a fight with another player. But I

933
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 2: just think she's young. She'll be back there, she'll be

934
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 2: back in this position. Hopefully the six points difference will,

935
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 2: you know, not reappear on the Ledger state. But I

936
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 2: think it's not a bad thing that she's shutting down

937
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 2: our season and she's got to go like cool out

938
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 2: and start again.

939
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 3: You know how much any times she's probably thought about

940
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 3: that one match that she just tanked because she just

941
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,959
Speaker 3: had the sits and she was done with it, right,

942
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 3: And you think, if I just not lost my shit there,

943
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 3: I would be in the WTA finals.

944
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 2: And what a good lesson to learn as a teenager

945
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 2: as opposed to a thirty five year old journey person

946
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 2: on your last tournament or two, your last year or two.

947
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 2: She won't make that mistake again. And I think the

948
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 2: larger point I'm making almost said meta again, the larger

949
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 2: point I'm making is I think she has a lot

950
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 2: of tennis in front of her. Obviously, her career is

951
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 2: just getting started, and she's got all the tools, and

952
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 2: she needs to make sure that the body and the

953
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 2: mind are sound before she goes and deploys those tools.

954
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 2: So losing and learning a very painful lesson, which is

955
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 2: don't take a match, get your paperwork together, don't take

956
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 2: anything for granted. Those are three lessons wrapped up in

957
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 2: one fell swoop. And yeah, she's going to end her

958
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 2: season earlier than she would have liked to and miss

959
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 2: out on a giant paycheck which anybody gets just shown

960
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 2: up for the finals. But what a good time to

961
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 2: learn that lesson when you're young, and not when you

962
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 2: know it's the end of your career and the last

963
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 2: you know what I should have Cutter is going to

964
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 2: really hire you for the rest of your life. You know,

965
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 2: she has a chance to quarts, correct.

966
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 3: Her and Rublever off to the Maldives because ruby Lev

967
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 3: decided to shut his down because he said he was burnout,

968
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 3: he was tired, he was mentally exhausted, he needed a

969
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 3: break from tennis. And we have seen just like Andreva

970
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,720
Speaker 3: through the year, like just some outbursts on the tennis

971
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 3: court where you just like, there needs to be a

972
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 3: mental check on these guys, you know what I mean.

973
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 3: Medvedev's same thing. I mean, heal the latter part of

974
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 3: this year, there was some stuff that he did on

975
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 3: court and listen, hey pot Colin Cattle, Like, I'm not

976
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 3: saying I was an angel on the court, but I've

977
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 3: saw some stuff from these guys.

978
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: It was even worse than me. So I'm like that

979
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: I agree with you in a sense.

980
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 3: I agree with it for sure. I think it's a

981
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 3: moment that you'll look back on and be like, damn it. Like,

982
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 3: if I want to be the best, beat the best,

983
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 3: I got to be playing against the best all the time.

984
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 3: And not being in the WTA finals is going to

985
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 3: hurt because, as you said, it's an enormous amount of money.

986
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: But you know, someone like jazzmn.

987
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 3: Paulini, who had a bit of a tough year comparative

988
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 3: to last year where she made two major finals. She

989
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 3: battled her way through, you know, wins rome, battles through

990
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 3: some big matches, doesn't quit on certain matches, and she's

991
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 3: gotten herself at the last spot in the WTA finals.

992
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: Because of that. Yeah, and she certainly got her.

993
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 3: Visas organized a little bit better, but certainly that would

994
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 3: be and you know, just looking at the points, Caitlin

995
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 3: Blinda Benchic finished eleven in the race before you know,

996
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 3: the final tally. There certainly tournaments still going on, but

997
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 3: the fact that she got to eleven is unbelievable. That

998
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 3: just shows you how like solid she's been all year,

999
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 3: considering she's come back from having a baby, and you know,

1000
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 3: as she's young, so that really helps after you've had

1001
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 3: a kid, like Kim Cleisters came back and won major

1002
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 3: titles after having her first baby because she had a

1003
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 3: baby when she was in her mid twenties, you know,

1004
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 3: Osaka interesting to see how she kind of turns up

1005
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 3: next year.

1006
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: She finished sixteenth on the.

1007
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 3: List, which is still pretty goo, but you know, there

1008
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 3: were moments where we thought she was going to really

1009
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 3: make a run.

1010
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 1: I think that.

1011
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 3: Loss in Canada to Mumbucco was sort of like a

1012
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 3: tough one for her probably to take still, but you know,

1013
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 3: having said that, like even Fitzlina, she shut her season

1014
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 3: down early.

1015
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: Was she ended up being fourteenth on the list.

1016
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 3: So that you know, all these players that really I

1017
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 3: think the most impressive player to meet this year, that

1018
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 3: made it into the WTA Finals without questions starting the

1019
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 3: year at you know what, you start the year every

1020
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 3: year zero points, right, and then ranking is different to

1021
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 3: the WTA ranking to get into the WTA Finals, that

1022
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 3: is purely based on how you do starting January one,

1023
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 3: whereas the rotating the ranking system as a rotation of

1024
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 3: the twelve month rotation. So if someone won Tokyo last

1025
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 3: year and they didn't win it this year, that drops off.

1026
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 3: So depending on how you do, you'll leave the drop

1027
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 3: or go forward. Unless you won the tournament, you're not

1028
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 3: going anywhere. But Amanda Anasamova to me is just the

1029
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 3: MVP of the WTA.

1030
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: Tour this year.

1031
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 2: Agree like agree.

1032
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 3: Finishing fourth on the race and finishing seven hundred points

1033
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 3: ahead of Jessica Bagoula at five seven hundred points is

1034
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 3: a lot, so that is incredibly, incredibly impressive. She ended up,

1035
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 3: you know, seven hundred points ish behind Coco Goff. But

1036
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 3: Coco won the French Open and had a fabulous year herself.

1037
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: But Arena Sablanca.

1038
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 3: Ninety eight hundred points well and truly above everybody else.

1039
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 3: He gives you on ticket number two. But Amanda Anasimova

1040
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 3: for me, MVP getting into the WTA finals huge interructs

1041
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 3: to her.

1042
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 2: Agree, Agree, And I think the four American women I

1043
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 2: don't really care that much about like jinguistic nationalistic stuff

1044
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 2: so much. But I do think like this is the

1045
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 2: first year there.

1046
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 3: I know, because sometimes you just like, I'm Canadian, but

1047
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 3: now the American.

1048
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 2: Side listen, America is not you know, shakes as a

1049
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,760
Speaker 2: brand right now, so it's not like I'm trying to

1050
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 2: join the team. But I also think like tennis is

1051
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 2: so wonderful because it's like, oh, look at all these

1052
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,240
Speaker 2: amazing places that are represented. You know, You've got people

1053
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 2: from tiny countries where it means so much to everybody

1054
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 2: and everyone knows who they are, Whereas you know, I

1055
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 2: think if Jpeg were to walk down the street, you

1056
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 2: know a lot of people in America wouldn't recognize her, right,

1057
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 2: So like that's you got all all that. And I

1058
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 2: do think like the four US women in the in

1059
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 2: the top qualifying group here are all very different. Like

1060
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 2: it's so interesting that they all earned their stays in

1061
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 2: a different way. You know. Jessica Poogola has had a

1062
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 2: very consistent year. She's gone deep in tournaments throughout surfaces,

1063
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 2: and sizes of tournaments and portions of the schedule, whereas

1064
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,240
Speaker 2: obviously Mattie Keys has had and Coco have had parts

1065
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 2: of the year that have gone off better than others.

1066
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 2: You know, Maddie in the in the Swing down Under

1067
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,439
Speaker 2: and Coco you know on Clay. Obviously, what I think

1068
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,040
Speaker 2: and why I agree with you that Anissi Mova's is

1069
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 2: probably the most impressive. It's just she's at the beginning

1070
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 2: of this year to where she is now, the depth

1071
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 2: and importance of the places that she did well, not

1072
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,879
Speaker 2: only in this Slam sense, but also just the high

1073
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 2: stakes of the matches that it took to get her

1074
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 2: and even the matches she lost, she improved upon them.

1075
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 2: And I actually think kind of to my point about

1076
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 2: why it's cool to have a WTA finals and why

1077
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 2: the WTA is so so exciting compared to the men,

1078
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 2: because I think, like Ansi Mova has just as much

1079
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 2: of a chance. Despite the point differentially you just listed Arina,

1080
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised in the least if any one

1081
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 2: of these eight women won this thing A and B.

1082
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 2: I think I actually kind of favor somebody like an

1083
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 2: Ees Mova over Arina said, like an ego, not because

1084
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 2: their bests are different, but just because that's kind of

1085
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 2: the unpredictable thing that can happen in this sort of

1086
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 2: end of year tournament, and I think that's why it

1087
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 2: makes it worth watching. Whereas you know, for me with

1088
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,280
Speaker 2: the men, it's like I might watch the finals maybe,

1089
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 2: but I do I need to see another Carlos and

1090
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 2: Yannick match. Not really, I'm good I saw that.

1091
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: A No, I didn't. That's no.

1092
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 2: I know that that's a controverty controversial take, and most

1093
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 2: people will disagree with that.

1094
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 3: You and I different because there's a lot of the

1095
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 3: matches through the tournament that I'm not going to be

1096
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 3: that interested in watching.

1097
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: Be real blunt.

1098
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 2: With the men, like I will watch every one of

1099
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 2: the WTA matches. I will the men's I will watch

1100
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 2: maybe the finals or if somebody if FAA looks like

1101
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 2: he can make a run, because I really like it,

1102
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 2: you know, like I'm not saying I'm not going to watch.

1103
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: It, but he is to get in. He's not even

1104
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: close to in.

1105
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 2: I know that's kind of but my point is like,

1106
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 2: there's there's the unpredictability in general a WT is why

1107
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,479
Speaker 2: I watch it and I think the women have done

1108
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 2: extremely well to present themselves as a very diverse and

1109
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 2: interesting group, any of whom could walk away with this thing.

1110
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 2: What about a Paulini victory, that'd be awesome.

1111
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1112
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 3: So looking at the men's, you know, Massetti is the

1113
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 3: last one, and he's four hundred points above Rude and

1114
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 3: five hundred points give or take above Felix, as you

1115
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 3: alive seen. Obviously, with a thousand points on the line,

1116
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 3: certainly you make the finals, you get five hundred points.

1117
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 3: And so when you think about it, if Marceti wins

1118
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 3: a match or two, it's gonna be hard to jump

1119
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 3: over him if you're Rude and Faa. So it looks

1120
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 3: like the men's might be a little bit set, but

1121
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 3: certainly depends. We saw what fa did a number of

1122
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 3: years ago by winning Paris indoors. He won a lot

1123
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 3: of in his very good indoors, but also pulling out

1124
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 3: against Mona.

1125
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: What's going on.

1126
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 3: Physically, so you know he's going to have to have

1127
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 3: the tournament of his life, which he did a couple

1128
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 3: of years ago.

1129
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 1: He beat Novak in the final.

1130
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 3: Novak's a question as well, like going into the ATP

1131
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 3: finals not having a lot of tennis under his belt

1132
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 3: either certainly Sarah Owns, Fritz, Alex Di minor Ben Shelton's

1133
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 3: a little bit of an unknown as well.

1134
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna happen there.

1135
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 3: But just back to the women, Yeah, I mean, I'll

1136
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 3: tell you like, there is not one player that can't

1137
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 3: win that tournament. And Jasmine Palini, who's the last one in,

1138
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 3: has played pretty well over the last couple of months.

1139
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 3: So Maddie Keys is probably the one that hasn't played

1140
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 3: that well over the last couple of months.

1141
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: But Rebarkin is certainly looking good. Jpeg always Coco's won

1142
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: a tournament, you know in Wuhan.

1143
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 3: Sabalanka is going to be the one to beat IGIs Jontek.

1144
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: You never know.

1145
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 3: And of course Amanda and Anismova, I think one thing

1146
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 3: just looking at and talking and finishing up on the women,

1147
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 3: Amanda Anasmova talk about somebody who said, you know what

1148
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 3: if I don't want to play, She wins the tournament in.

1149
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: China and then goes home. She doesn't stay out there,

1150
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 1: she doesn't keep playing, she doesn't play the next week.

1151
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 3: She just goes home and she says, yep, because she

1152
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 3: has understood if I'm not mentally there, I don't want

1153
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 3: to play.

1154
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 1: I will take eight to nine months off of the

1155
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: tour if I feel like I'm not emotionally able to

1156
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 1: handle this, and I think that is it is a

1157
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: great lesson for everyone out there, particularly the young players.

1158
00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 1: Mira Andreva could be one to say, I don't feel

1159
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: like playing for a couple of months. I've got millions

1160
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: of dollars in the bank. I know how good I am,

1161
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: but I'm.

1162
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 3: Not going to be my best if I'm not emotionally

1163
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:13,919
Speaker 3: and physically ready to go and grind to win a

1164
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 3: WT one thousand or a w T five hundred tournament

1165
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 3: having to play against the best players in the world

1166
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 3: from the start of the tournament. So I think Amanda Anisimova,

1167
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 3: just like ash Barty did number of years ago, stopping

1168
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 3: a couple of years because she didn't want to be

1169
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,760
Speaker 3: out there and didn't want to play. Find your inner

1170
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 3: piece and find your inner strength to want to be

1171
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 3: out there and grind because you are too good to

1172
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 3: be losing first and second round because you get the

1173
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 3: shits and you don't want.

1174
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: To be there, so don't play.

1175
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 3: I agree, and then decide I'm going to play, and

1176
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 3: I want to win the tournament, and that is what

1177
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 3: Amanda Anisimova has done this whole entire year. Yah coming

1178
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 3: back last year and then establishing establishing herself is one

1179
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 3: of the best players in the world, and we all

1180
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 3: know when she's at her best she can beat anybody.

1181
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 3: No one hits the ball more pure than she does.

1182
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 3: If she's not a mentally and emotionally ready and wanting

1183
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 3: to grind and play, she doesn't play.

1184
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: And that's a really smart idea.

1185
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 2: I think you just summed up to me what is

1186
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 2: the sort of post US Open malaise, some of the

1187
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 2: generational highs and lows, and also a takeaway for everyone

1188
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 2: following along at home, certainly for me, which is like,

1189
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 2: if you're going to get out of the bed and

1190
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 2: step on a tennis court, come to win, and if

1191
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 2: you're not capable of doing that and you can't get

1192
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 2: it together, that's okay. Just don't call it. Call it.

1193
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 2: It's okay, call it.

1194
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: And just be like, go to the Maldives.

1195
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 2: Go to the Maldives. All right, I'm going to go

1196
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 2: to the Maldives metaphorically right now because in your mind, yeah,

1197
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 2: me too, some other stuff to do. But as ever,

1198
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 2: this has been a very useful chat. Is there anything

1199
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 2: else that we didn't cover that you feel like as

1200
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 2: a parting shot we need to get into. No, just

1201
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 2: the weather's beautiful and let's go enjoy the sunshine.

1202
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: I think we'll covered it really well.

1203
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 3: I think we started the way we always do, which

1204
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 3: is just letting everybody know what the whether. There's like

1205
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 3: outside here in New York, very cold, and I'm looking

1206
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 3: forward to I'm looking forward to the WTA Finals. My

1207
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 3: only issue is it it's a really bad time for

1208
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 3: me to watch on television because it's in the Middle East.

1209
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 3: And thank God for Tennis Channels. Wrap up, I do

1210
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 3: love the match in fifteen minutes.

1211
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 2: Favorite thing is great.

1212
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 3: I will say this is my favorite thing on Tennis

1213
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 3: Channel when I miss matches and I can sit down

1214
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 3: and watch it. Kudos to the Tennis Channel for doing it.

1215
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: I think I like the highlights.

1216
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 2: That Christina Thompson was that was her innovation. Really yeah,

1217
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 2: digital digital Douien over there at Tennis Channel. We have

1218
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 2: given through the years TC a lot of shit, and

1219
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 2: I will say it is really really really stepped up

1220
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 2: and the digital in your face, the app, everything has

1221
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 2: gotten so much better, and the fifteen minute matches for

1222
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 2: me are a godsend because also I don't know what

1223
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 2: I'm going to be able to sit down and watch tennis,

1224
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 2: and so now I can just get caught up. It's great.

1225
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 3: I would like to make one suggestion to the match

1226
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 3: in fifteen minutes. I think it's fantastic because there have

1227
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 3: been particularly when you're playing tournaments in China and the

1228
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 3: Middle East, as an American watcher, it's hard to get

1229
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 3: up at three in the morning all the time, right

1230
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 3: and watch tennis. So the match in fifteen minutes is

1231
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 3: so fantastic. Just I know it might be AI generated.

1232
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 3: I don't know, like they pick the best points of

1233
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 3: the game and they put it up there. I'm not sure,

1234
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 3: but I would make one request is that you don't

1235
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 3: miss a break point, and you do not miss a

1236
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 3: set point. And most of the time they don't miss

1237
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 3: a set point, but on the match recaps of the

1238
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 3: top fift you know the fifteen match, don't miss the

1239
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 3: break points because it's nice to know how somebody got

1240
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 3: broke broken, particularly in the men's game. Right. So yeah,

1241
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 3: so that's my only suggestion for them, But other than that,

1242
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 3: it's so fun. I get put on the app and

1243
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 3: you have everything. I mean they are behind the scenes

1244
00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 3: watching people in the gym right now. If you want

1245
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 3: to do.

1246
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: They still have.

1247
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 2: Did they still have your interview with Carlos soft Forest

1248
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 2: cruising down the Brooklyn Bridge up on the app? I

1249
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 2: bet they do.

1250
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 1: It's somewhere out there, so I for you didn't see it.

1251
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 3: You can see me tal Carlos before the tournament started

1252
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 3: when I said, well, Carlos, you always get tattoos when

1253
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 3: you win a major, so I think you should get

1254
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 3: And I turned around and pointed at the Brooklyn Bridge

1255
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 3: and said, I think you should get that tattooed on you.

1256
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 3: And I said if you win, and I said, no,

1257
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 3: when you win. So I think I planted the seed.

1258
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 3: I did my Oprah Winfrey moment there of like what

1259
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 3: she call it, the board, putting it on.

1260
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 2: The board boarded him.

1261
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 3: A vision, boarded him that he was going to get

1262
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 3: the Brooklyn Bridge when he won the tournament before the

1263
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 3: tournament started on the postmatch interview. I don't know, I

1264
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 3: have to check with him, but he said on ESPN's

1265
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 3: coverage at the end on the desk that he made

1266
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 3: it back before the tournament and he's getting the Brooklyn Beach.

1267
01:00:58,960 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 1: So there you go.

1268
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 3: That was my interpretation of how Carlos would say it

1269
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 3: in English.

1270
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 2: But yes, truly terrible impersonation.

1271
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:09,439
Speaker 1: You're welcome everybody out there.

1272
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 3: But I think that the bottom line is I will

1273
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 3: have to have him show me on his body and

1274
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 3: I will take a photo and I will put it

1275
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 3: out there. And also hopefully maybe one day dreams can

1276
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 3: come true. We can get him on the pod.

1277
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 2: Love that all right? If I that?

1278
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: If not, go and find it on the Tennis channel.

1279
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 2: App fantastic, all right, good go to the Maldives or

1280
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 2: or sure.

1281
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: I'm just going to go to breakfast.

1282
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 2: Nothing, all right, awesome, Renee creating with you.

1283
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 1: Check it next week's out, see you next week, everybody,

1284
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 1: they