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Speaker 2: How you doing, man?

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Speaker 1: Doing good? Brother, It's been a long time since we've

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Speaker 1: hopped on the mics. The thing it was like pre

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Speaker 1: so happy to be back on and talk a ball

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Speaker 1: with man. You're one of the sharpest in the space.

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Speaker 1: So glad to be doing this today.

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Speaker 2: Well, this time of year, there's a lot going on

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Speaker 2: right and you know, you guys look at it like

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Speaker 2: I look at it. Spent so much time press conferences,

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Speaker 2: when it comes to preseason action. I just was looking

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Speaker 2: excited when you watch Jackson Dark play, right, but you

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Speaker 2: texting with someone the other day. I remember I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's over hyped in the sense of

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Speaker 2: In it, who for you? You have an overhype guy

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Speaker 2: You're a little luke warm on at this At this time.

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Speaker 1: Man, there's two different guys, and I want to get

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Speaker 2: Start with start with Worthy. You know, Mahomes has talked

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Speaker 2: the OC and Peyton up and like that's my personality.

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Speaker 2: that's not really his personality, like a Jamar Chase, like

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Speaker 2: take Marvin over Malik. Leak's just a little bit of

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Speaker 2: Right, But then he comes in this offseason now he's

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Speaker 2: I think again he's a good player. I do think

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Speaker 2: the top fifteen ish. But when you go, like what

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Speaker 2: Malik neighbors from a talent standpoint, right, And Kyler's not

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Speaker 2: Philip Rivers or you know, Peyton Mann. He's not gonna

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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty passes, right, dude. They do have some talent.

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Speaker 2: But and that's you know, Kyler's an interesting fantasy guy

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Speaker 2: because I heard I was listening to something and he's

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Speaker 2: a good He's good, I guess, but he's not like

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Speaker 2: a winning NFL player. I would say we're Jalen Hurts

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Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely, Jalen Hurts his top five and pretty much

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Speaker 1: any aspect or rankings that you'll find. And I agree

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Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior, Kyler, people can miss me with him

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Speaker 1: it's just I think Kyler is who we know who

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Speaker 1: he is at this point of his career. It's he'll

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Speaker 1: a lot of that comes down to just how he

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Speaker 2: I got an under hype guy because I like Seattle

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Speaker 2: Maybe that's who you don't think I was gonna say,

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Speaker 2: but I'm not. I mean, I think he's an excellent player.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna have a big year. He's gonna have a

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Speaker 2: great career. But I don't think anyone's really talking about

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Speaker 2: But Cooper Cup, I think if you just pulled the

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Speaker 2: you got like twenty five balls last year got sixty seven,

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Speaker 2: last year. And the offense which is Kubiak, which is

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Speaker 2: Like if he stays healthy, who's to say that Cooper

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Speaker 2: think they're gonna be good this year, I would expect

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Speaker 2: Cooper Cup because Jackson Smith is no brainer, right. But

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Speaker 1: I don't disagree at all, and I was really surprised

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Speaker 2: I've read some reports like they've been moving Jackson around

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Speaker 2: all rely on in big games. Yeah, I mean I

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Speaker 2: think wouldn't shock me at all. I mean, they're gonna

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Speaker 2: what I love Kenneth Walker. Can he stay healthy? I

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Speaker 2: think both these two wide receivers who are the who

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Speaker 1: AJ Barner and Elijah Royal. Yeah so I think. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I've said this forever. If their head coach, instead of

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Speaker 2: and we all agree, like this guy's pretty freaking sharp

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Speaker 2: is now their tackle position, you know, offensive line wise,

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 1: And I agree with you too. And I don't think

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Speaker 2: You know, and speaking of that division, you know McCaffrey,

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Speaker 2: who when he's healthy, is probably one of the greatest

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Speaker 2: fantasy players of all time, right especially with Kyle. He's

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Speaker 2: like a matchmate in heaven. But you know, last year

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Speaker 2: I kept saying, like everyone's overblowing this, He'll be fine,

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Speaker 2: He'll be fine, And then I thought he was fine,

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Speaker 2: and then was like Friday, he got soreness, and then

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Speaker 2: is history. So he's an interesting guy. Night he's been healthy,

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Speaker 2: and like him and Kittle, obviously they're gonna have to

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Speaker 2: rely on I still think their offense is going to

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Speaker 2: be okay. They have some wide receiver issues, but to

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Speaker 2: me that would even add to like him and Kittle,

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Speaker 2: just if you.

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Speaker 1: Tell me those guys are healthy this season.

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Speaker 2: Kiddle I feel pretty good about. But McCaffrey, I just

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Speaker 2: don't see how they don't. Both of them don't have

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Speaker 1: Oh, I agree, wholeheartedly. And I want to get your

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Speaker 1: thoughts on Ricky Piersoll because Beasts, I think like last

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Speaker 1: year was oh same same, I'm all in on him

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Speaker 1: this year, like I keep bumping him higher and higher

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Speaker 1: my ranks. I just watched all of his All twenty

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Speaker 1: two from the preseason this past Sunday, and you can

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Speaker 1: see on the preseason, and I know it's a limited sample,

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Speaker 1: but you could see with the chemistry between him and

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Speaker 1: Purty like he was running across or through zone I

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Speaker 1: think it was week two of the preseason instead of

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Speaker 1: yeah yeah, and instead of him getting washed out in

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Speaker 1: the zone coverage, he stops and he sits down in

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Speaker 1: his own coverage And I'm like, that's it, baby, that's exactly.

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Speaker 1: That's pointing to chemistry that's reps in the off season

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Speaker 1: making it to the field so extreme. I'm over the

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Speaker 1: moon with Peerce.

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Speaker 2: I think the worry with him is, you know, separate

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Speaker 2: him getting shot, even though I think they just traded

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Speaker 2: for Brian Robinson who was also shot, so they got

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Speaker 2: the all shot team right now they got which is

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Speaker 2: why they liked it. I mean, those guys are both

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Speaker 2: you know, Ricky's a tough guy. But physically like he's

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Speaker 2: had some hamstring issues. He had a you know, shoulder

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Speaker 2: issue that I was listening to some of my guys

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Speaker 2: do a local podcast that there was a practice the

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Speaker 2: other day and he fell on it and he was

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Speaker 2: like grimacing. Now he he didn't like leave practice or anything,

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Speaker 2: but it's just when he plays seventeen games, I don't first,

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Speaker 2: you know, so we got that. That would be my worry.

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Speaker 2: If you tell me he's healthy, perty's gonna him and

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Speaker 2: Kittle would just go nuts in the passing game, those

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Speaker 2: two guys especially, who knows what Ayuke's gonna be. But

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Speaker 2: you know, now you could argue most of these wide

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Speaker 2: receivers just around the league, a lot of them get

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Speaker 2: dinged up. A lot the high end guys. I mean

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Speaker 2: the Eagles, both their guys get banged up. We got

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Speaker 2: Malik Dagbors, he's banged up. You know, Jamar Chase somewhat

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Speaker 2: of an outlier, fully healthy last year, right, Jefferson's been

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Speaker 2: banged up. So it's one of those positions that like,

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Speaker 2: if I tell you all these guys that I just

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Speaker 2: listed play all the time seedee Lamp, they'll put up

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Speaker 2: huge numbers. But at any moment. These guys, they're like

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Speaker 2: a I don't know, you know sports cars that you

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Speaker 2: the Ferrari. And there are a lot of them. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the league is loaded with wide receivers, But like, is

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Speaker 2: there a guy from a value because we all know

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Speaker 2: the sexy big names, but is there a guy that

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Speaker 2: in the top tennis that's like, ah, I wasn't really

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Speaker 2: thinking about him because I think i Uk a couple

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Speaker 2: of years ago became that guy, right, he had a

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Speaker 2: big season. Is there a guy that's not Chase or

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Speaker 2: Seed Lamb? You're like, I like that, dude, Man, I

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Speaker 2: keep going.

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Speaker 1: Back, then we'll go back, We'll circle back to the Falcons.

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Speaker 1: I think this is the monster Drake London season incoming.

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Speaker 1: I think everything's lining up for him. He's like really

541
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Speaker 1: hit his stride last year with Robinson throwing him inside,

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Speaker 1: giving him more easy design looks, a little more slot work,

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Speaker 1: him stepping forward as the clear guy out of this

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Speaker 1: Arthur Smith nonsense over the last few years, and if

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Speaker 1: Pennix can be the guy that we think he can be. Collectively.

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Speaker 1: The other thing that I think gives Drake London it's

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Speaker 1: not only the volume, it's not only the fact that

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Speaker 1: he's gonna be a centerpiece of the offense. It's we're

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Speaker 1: gonna get downfield usage and we haven't seen that over

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Speaker 1: the last few years because of the quarterback play last

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Speaker 1: year being limiting and in previous years. We're gonna get

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Speaker 1: some Drake like back shoulder bombs down the field from

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Speaker 1: Michael Pennox. And I'm excited, man, I'm excited. I think

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Speaker 1: he's gonna step into some rarefied air. He might lead

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Speaker 1: the NFL on targets this year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. I mean, I we'll find out. We can

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Speaker 2: talk about the Bears like it with Ben Johnson going

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Speaker 2: there as arrow pointing up and with the Lions is

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Speaker 2: their arrow pointing down. But you know, I was thinking

560
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Speaker 2: about this. I saw was the second preseason game where

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Speaker 2: Rome had a bad drop and I was like, I

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Speaker 2: liked Rome a lot, but is there a chance like

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Speaker 2: he was actually overrated? And it was like Pennix, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's like the reverse of Mike Evans and Johnny Manziel,

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Speaker 2: where Mike Evans kind of made Johnny did Pennix kind

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Speaker 2: of make a row because I'm watching Rome, Like God,

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Speaker 2: I thought this guy was really good and I don't know,

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Speaker 2: I'm rooting for him. I'm a fan, but he makes

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Speaker 2: me a little nervous.

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Speaker 1: He makes me a little nervous too. And I've been

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Speaker 1: largely below consensus compared to a lot of other people

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Speaker 1: in the fantasy space on the Bears offense, Like, I

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Speaker 1: get the Ben Johnson steam, I understand it, but I

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Speaker 1: have my own standalone concerns about Caleb Williams. We haven't

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Speaker 1: seen him support even one high end weapon. I understand

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Speaker 1: the problems of that offense and all this stuff about

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Speaker 1: Shane Waldron and stuff like, I still don't think enough

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Speaker 1: people lay things at Caleb Williams's feet last year for

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Speaker 1: how rough his rookie season went totally and they're just

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Speaker 1: expecting Ben Johnson to come in here, and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I think Caleb can have a solid season if he

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Speaker 1: can just run the freaking offense, and if he does that,

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Speaker 1: he can have a solid season. But if he does,

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Speaker 1: he might not live up to the hype where people

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Speaker 1: walk away from this year and say, oh, Caleb took

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Speaker 1: a step forward, but it still didn't meet my expectations.

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Speaker 1: And I'm with you on Rome, like I can't point

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Speaker 1: to an analytical reason to really believe in rollm of

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Speaker 1: doone saying I loved him as a prospect. But again,

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Speaker 1: like once you hit the NFL, maybe our preconceptions or

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Speaker 1: how we viewed as a prospect needs to changed a

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Speaker 1: little bit. Whenever these guys are running against NFL competition.

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Speaker 2: I agree. And if if Rome, I mean people he

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Speaker 2: was drafted what ninth or tenth, ninth? I think, like

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Speaker 2: the expectations when you're drafted in the first round alone,

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Speaker 2: Like it's like I say this about Ricky Pearson like

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Speaker 2: he was a first round pick. I know it was

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Speaker 2: the end of the first round, but or xavier' Worthy's

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Speaker 2: that's a big pick for these teams that were just

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Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl. That's their first asset in the draft.

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Speaker 2: When you are a top ten twelve pick at wide receiver,

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Speaker 2: the expectation is for you to be a pro Bowl

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Speaker 2: level guy. And you know, we might look back. It's

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Speaker 2: like Marvin's got some issues, Rome's got some issue. Malik

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Speaker 2: neighbors in a different universe than those guys. Which you know,

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Speaker 2: it was kind of I mean, some people were saying that,

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Speaker 2: the Lions that there's no disputing Ben is really freaking good.

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Speaker 2: And like you said, the Kleb, he's got a little

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Speaker 2: why you look at the lines. You're like, are they

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Speaker 2: just so good? Even with Johnny Morton, who's kind of

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Speaker 2: got a weird career trajectory. Like all these coaches in

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Speaker 2: the league grooed in Sean Payton, Dan Campbell, they love

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Speaker 2: it's pretty hard not to become a pretty sweet offensive

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Speaker 2: he's never getting these jobs. So I get Dan Campbell

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Speaker 2: has known him for a while and makes him the

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Speaker 2: offensive coordinator, But I don't know. I mean, it's just

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Speaker 2: that there is something to be said about some people

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Speaker 2: just better play callers, regardless of the players, right, you

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Speaker 2: just have an innate feel If you're Kevin O'Connell, Kyle McVeigh,

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Speaker 2: Sean Payton, Andy Reid. We see a lot of these

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Speaker 2: guys are like, I don't know, he just it's not

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Speaker 2: even much about the players. He has no feel for

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Speaker 2: whenever you make a big coordinator change and you don't

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Speaker 2: have a guy that. We've seen it with the Eagles, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, when it's good, it's good. When it's bad,

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Speaker 2: it's bad.

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Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, I don't disagree about Morton at all, And

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Speaker 1: I just don't even know.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know where I yeah, and I don't

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Speaker 1: on the same staff in New Orleans, and I think

643
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: part of it was that, So the familiarity, there's a

644
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: relationship there. I'm a little bit higher on the Lions

645
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: in that transition. Now I'm just like ragnow getting hurt.

646
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: Some of the other parts of pieces, like Zeitler's gone

647
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: to the O line people have questions about. Now the

648
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: Lions have done a good job of, like with their

649
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: draft picks, kind of insulating themselves from some of these things,

650
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: but still change has changed, and especially O line continuity

651
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: is huge when you do have a statue type of quarterback,

652
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: he ain't moving off the spot and not creating a

653
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: ton off schedule. He needs that offensive line to make

654
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: that wall for him. I am a little bit higher

655
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: on the Lions or I'm not projecting as much regression

656
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: as some people. Not everybody, not because of Ben Johnson

657
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: and not giving him his flowers and respect. But I

658
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: also go back to like Dan Campbell is an offensive

659
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: minded head coach, and I think because of the raw

660
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: ra ra rub some dirt on it that kind of

661
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: gets lost in the conversation sometimes of like his background

662
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: as a tight end offensive assistant and stuff like that.

663
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: Now he's not calling the plays. And I think that

664
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: questions about Morton are are very fairer and it's a

665
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: reason to be concerned. But with all these players, like

666
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: at the talent levels of all them, like you really

667
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: got to screw this up, like big time, I think

668
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: to like fall in their face, like there's still gonna

669
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: be a really good offense. But the question is can

670
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: they Can they be a top three to five offense

671
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: this year with all of the circle, you know, can

672
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's still in the range

673
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: of outcomes. I think I comfortably still peg them, like

674
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: top ten, top five is gonna their O line is

675
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: gonna have to.

676
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 2: Produce who's your group top three to five that you

677
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 2: feel pretty confident moving forward. As far as NFL offenses, Yeah,

678
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 2: cause to me, that's how I kind of gauge you

679
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 2: your offensive suite. I'm just interested in your players. If

680
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: you got Josh Allen playing seventeen games, you're gonna have

681
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 2: some guys putting up some big stats. You got Lamar

682
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 2: Jackson obviously, Joe Burrow. Those are the three we've kind

683
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 2: of drawn to. If the line, if we just remove

684
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 2: the Lions, even if they just take a slight step back,

685
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 2: like you know, because the Chiefs haven't been there right

686
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 2: even though they've been one of the best teams the

687
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 2: forty nine or statistically last year were really good. They

688
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 2: just struggled to score points, which obviously is a problem

689
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 2: in fantasy. But I mean the I think Minnesota.

690
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: Yep, Philly is still in that conversation for top five definitely,

691
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: depending on what we get out of I mean, the

692
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: Lions are definitely in the fringe. You talked about the Vikings,

693
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: We got questions about JJ canny be who I hope

694
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: he could be, and everybody else. Man, I think, tell me,

695
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: tell me your thoughts on the Broncos, because I think

696
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: they're a team that really could break into that top

697
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: five conversation this year if Nicks takes that next level

698
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: of all the parts of pieces kind of coalesce and stuff,

699
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: Like we're hearing really good reports about Pat Bryant and

700
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: Troy Franklin and r J. Harvey, like they've injected a

701
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: lot of youth and explosiveness. Do you think they can

702
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: enter that top five conversation? How much easier is the

703
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: play offfense when your defense is really good? Oh dude,

704
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: their defense gonna be top five. Man, It's gonna be

705
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: so nasty, Like teams are gonna whether it's Certain or

706
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,719
Speaker 1: Jday Baron locking dudes down and the Nickel teams are

707
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: gonna be frustrated going to Mile High this year.

708
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna be really good.

709
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: Same.

710
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna be I think the Chargers are

711
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 2: gonna come back to Earth a little bit.

712
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: Uh just I think the Broncos win the AFC West.

713
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: Is that a crazy take?

714
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 2: Three to one? Right now, here's the chief three to

715
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: one on DraftKings and you can get it.

716
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: I've already bet it. I've already bet it. Baby.

717
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 2: It was actually higher and it's kind of come down

718
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: to shot like to start the pre to start the

719
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 2: training camp, and Sean Payton's basically just saying like, yeah,

720
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 2: I've been coaching for twenty five years, I've had been

721
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 2: around six teams. Is one of them than I think

722
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 2: can win it all? And I don't think if you

723
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 2: watch the Cowboys documentary, Jimmy would just talk sometimes to

724
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 2: talk to kind of. I think Sean Payton truly believes it.

725
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 2: Like he's not saying he is not bullshitting. He loves

726
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 2: bo Nicks. Nope, he loves this team. He likes the group.

727
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 2: I mean if you watched him last year, I mean

728
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 2: you could just kind of see it coming. They just

729
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: needed Adam up more pieces. But team speed wise, their

730
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 2: defense is fast and physical, their pass rush is excellent,

731
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 2: their dbs are good. What's the do they disdrafted from

732
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 2: Texas in the first round. I saw him make a

733
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 2: couple of plays in preseason learning yep, and like you said,

734
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 2: offensively now he is he over hyping the running back

735
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 2: a little bit from UCF. He loves them.

736
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: I was a big RJ. Harvey stand pre draft. I

737
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: had him inside of my top five RBS, so I

738
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: was in on it. I think a lot of people

739
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: were pushed off because of the age and you know,

740
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: the ACL history and stuff. But skill set wise, he

741
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: checks a ton of boxes. Man, Like he's he's got

742
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: some high end pass game reps. H if you go

743
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: back in his collegiate history and stuff, I think he

744
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: can definitely play in the past game. Pass pro is

745
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: probably the biggest worry with him. But Peyton's even come

746
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: out and said, like, look like I think it's one

747
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: of the reasons why they added Dobbins. I think it's

748
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: gonna be Harvey on on especially like first and second down,

749
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: and Dobbin's coming in on third down, so like, Harvey's

750
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: gonna run his routes on those early downs. But I'm

751
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: in on Harvey. I definitely love him.

752
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 2: What's your thoughts on the Texans because I mean defensively,

753
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 2: know they're going to be really good offensively, you make

754
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: the offensive coordinator change CJ. I would say relative to

755
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 2: his rookie obviously had a rough year. Nico's a absolute monster.

756
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: You know, if he's healthy, you know, tanks careers probably

757
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 2: in some jeopardy after the devastating I mean it's hard

758
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 2: to even think about watching him land on the ground

759
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 2: because he was a stud. But you know, last year

760
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 2: I thought they I like picked him to be the

761
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 2: one seed. I had a little juice on them, like

762
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 2: e to one. It might have been a year early

763
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 2: because I think their defense going to dominate and offensively

764
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 2: if they're just solid. If you look at that division,

765
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 2: could they be a you know, a CJA guy throwing

766
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 2: thirty five touchdowns this year?

767
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: I think you were in a year early. I think

768
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: we were all a year early. I absolutely agree with

769
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: everything you outline there, and I think like their defense

770
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: is going to be a top five it this year.

771
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: I mean they are just stacked everywhere you look. Last

772
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: and a hitting the ground running last year was a

773
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: big big win for them where they got him in

774
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: the draft, adding a few more parts in pieces of

775
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: that secondary. Their pass rush is nasty. I've got a

776
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: few tickets on Will Anderson for Defensive Player of the Year,

777
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: so I'm in on him taking another step forward this year.

778
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: Oh god, man, I think yeah, it was. It was

779
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: really good odds, really good odds. Like if I could

780
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: double it down, I would even I'd press the button

781
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: even right now. So anybody listen to this, you know,

782
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: head to the books, press it now, man, because he's

783
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,720
Speaker 1: a guy like everything COOLESA is Like we're talking about

784
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: high end sack numbers, Like could post some outrageous sack

785
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: numbers considering all the other d line talent there. But

786
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: the offense is where it all comes down to, Like

787
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 1: that that's the ceiling element of this team. Could CEJ

788
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: bounce back, and really everybody the first thing out of

789
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: their mouth is going to be their offensive line. And

790
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: I just want their offensive line to be league average,

791
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: and I think that's possible. I'm not saying like I

792
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: love the parts or pieces, but middlicoff. We also lived

793
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 1: in a world last year where a lot of these

794
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: same dudes were on this depth chart last year yea,

795
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: and everybody wasn't worried about their offensive line until they cratered.

796
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 1: So like adding these parts or pieces to it. I

797
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: think they're just looking at this as like a sum

798
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 1: of the parts, and if they can play better as

799
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: like a unit and the continuity is there, then if

800
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: we get league average play with the other. Again, this

801
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: is a team that added a bunch of firepower as

802
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: far as through the passing game. Like I love Jayden

803
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: Higgins as a prospect. Jalen Nole was my guy throughout

804
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: the entirety of the draft process, and so you have

805
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: insulation there if Kurt goes down, like I think they're

806
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: ready to roll on offense, they just need the blocking

807
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: up front to be average.

808
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people place the blame, I

809
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 2: mean clearly on the offensive coordinator is he just did

810
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 2: not do a good job and then it kind of

811
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: unraveled and they lost their confidence or whatever, and it

812
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 2: kind of just it just started looking worse and worse

813
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 2: as season went on. Ye that they think the cohesion,

814
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 2: I mean, play calling, Let's face it, you can make

815
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 2: I mean McVeigh and Kyle Shanahan haven't exactly had like

816
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 2: the mid nineties Cowboys offensive lines over the years, right,

817
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 2: So you can't you can scheme around Like to me,

818
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 2: you can't it's hard to scheme like sweet pass rushers.

819
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 2: You either got Will Anderson or Nick Bosa or a Hutchson.

820
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 2: You could scheme around some random offensive linemen, but you

821
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 2: can also those guys can expose you fast. I want

822
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 2: to get you out of here that I got two

823
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: teams that I think are huge swing teams, the Colts.

824
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: If you tell me they went ten and seven, and

825
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones resurrection's career, I bet Tyler Warren, Jonathan Taylor. Hell,

826
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 2: even Daniel Jones probably has a pretty good fantasy year.

827
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:40,479
Speaker 2: If you tell me they could win six to seven games,

828
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: I'd be like, I'd stay away from that group. Same

829
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 2: thing with the Rams, which is obviously predicated on a

830
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 2: guy's back. So it's a little dip. We know Stafford

831
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 2: wins on the field, it's gonna be good. But if

832
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: you tell me, you know Stafford's back, he played four games,

833
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 2: It's like, I'm Jimmy Garoppolo, I'm sorry, I'm out on

834
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 2: that situation. It's Stet's been att two like, I'm.

835
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: No chance, and I love McVeigh, but let's start with

836
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: the Colts.

837
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: Your thoughts on their situation.

838
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: We're sitting here by the time I put this out

839
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: on Monday.

840
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 2: I think Anthony Rigson gets traded before the season because

841
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 2: I don't think you can have to.

842
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: You just can't. It's just, you know, the locker room

843
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: dynamic's no going back. No, there's no going back. You've

844
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: benched the guy and now you've you picked a journeyman

845
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: starter over him, and it's like, dude, it's like, like,

846
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not saying the vibes have been good,

847
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: like about is his dedication and work and some of

848
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:30,919
Speaker 1: the things you can kind of read to the tea leaves,

849
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: But it's like, also, it's like, did you not understand

850
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: who you were drafting? Like a guy that didn't have

851
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: a lot of starts, a lot of reps and stuff.

852
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: He needed that time to grow. And then the injuries

853
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: and stuff, and then it's like we're worried about our

854
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: jobs and then the suboptimal decision making comes in where

855
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: it's like now we need it. We're coaching for our

856
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 1: jobs and stuff, and we're facing our hope on Daniel Hilling.

857
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: I see.

858
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 2: I think a lot of times when this stuff happens

859
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 2: because I I when I was living in the Bay,

860
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 2: I saw with Trey Lance yep. I think back in

861
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 2: the day, like the eighties or the nineties, like if

862
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 2: did call were to do this or ourselves, like the

863
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 2: locker room has no influence. I think nowadays, I bet

864
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 2: the players are telling Shane like you know they're there

865
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 2: because you don't hear a peep. When all the Trey

866
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 2: Lance stuff happened with Purty, they all were like, no,

867
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 2: it's different because I mean they truly believed in Purty.

868
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 2: I don't know if they believe in Daniel Jones, Trent Williams,

869
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 2: Fred Warner, Deebo, Samuel they were all on they wanted

870
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 2: it right ye in this situation. I just think that

871
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 2: I wonder iful a lot of players internally kind of

872
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 2: gave up on them last year during that situation when

873
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 2: he tapped out and it's like is Shane Stike and

874
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 2: just pulling going rogue? Like they're like on the fence,

875
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 2: We'll go with either guy. I think I think there

876
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 2: are locker room dynamics more than ever in the modern

877
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 2: day pro sports, and you kind of listen to your

878
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 2: star players and they're cool with it. I'm with you,

879
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 2: like big picture, you should have known. But the problem

880
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 2: is when a guy's always injured, it's impossible to develop them. Yeah,

881
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 2: now we're year three and we think we have like

882
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 2: a playoff level roster. It's like, what are we gonna do?

883
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 2: It's just the he should have gone to a really crappy,

884
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 2: shitty team, right, it's to just keep Jacksonville or Arizona.

885
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 2: You just keep rolling out. Ye when you think you're

886
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 2: a playoff team, it's hard to do this year in

887
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 2: year out.

888
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you. And it's tough when the

889
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 1: guy gets hurt and then he can't get the reps

890
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 1: even U forecast that are wanted for him. But like,

891
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: if Daniel Jones can just be a league average quarterback

892
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: like and Shane Stocking and can like look like just

893
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 1: scheme around him with all the parts of pieces, like,

894
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: this team could win ten to eleven games this year

895
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 1: because I think their defense could take a step forward too,

896
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: like changing over DC's You have a lot of young

897
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: guys there, especially in their their D line that could

898
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: take another step toward this year. And if that happens, yeah,

899
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: we're talking about they're they're literally the entire rest of

900
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: this roster is carrying Daniel Jones to ten or eleven wins.

901
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be shocked with that. I also wouldn't be

902
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: shocked if Daniel Jones just like implodes and he's, you know,

903
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: Blake Bortles two point zero and this d and this

904
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: team looks rough and everything goes side ways and Baward

905
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: and Styching are gone by, you know, the back half

906
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: of the season. I think there's a wide range of

907
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: outcomes for the Colts just in general.

908
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: We if I gave him like Jared Goff or Brock

909
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 2: Purdy on the Colts their starting court, you would like

910
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 2: that roster. Well, twelve wins, Yeah, twelve wins. I'd say

911
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 2: the same thing about it. I'd say the same thing

912
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 2: about probably the Arizona Cardinals. If I gave them like

913
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 2: a consistent quarterback, I think they'd be pretty good. The Rams,

914
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 2: to me, they're a little more like an NBA team

915
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 2: that's been top heavy. Now they're getting better. They've drafted

916
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 2: really well the last couple of years, so they've had

917
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 2: the youth movement. But like when Stafford's on that they

918
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 2: become a really really good team. And when he's off,

919
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 2: I mean, people sometimes talk about the Rams. I've been

920
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 2: saying this for like a month like there's they were

921
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 2: been some twelve and thirteen win juggernaut these last couple years,

922
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 2: Like they've won ten games, you know. I mean Seattle

923
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 2: had the same record as them. It's just Sam Darnold,

924
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 2: you know, throw that touchdown in the corner of the

925
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 2: end zone late in the season and then in their

926
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 2: playoff hopes. But I mean, if that guy drops it

927
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 2: or Sam trips, Seattle wins a division. So I think

928
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 2: the Rams are a massive wild guard. If you tell

929
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 2: me Stafford play seventeen games the back, no big deal.

930
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, Puka's gonna catch off. Puka's hundred catches,

931
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 2: fifteen touchdowns. If you tell me Jimmy Garoppolo starts twelve,

932
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 2: it's like, ugh, this could get weird.

933
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: It really could. And Stafford is the lynchpin like everything

934
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: that team is gonna go where the quarterback play goes.

935
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: And yes, I mean, like dude, like if Jimmy g

936
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: make starts, then it's also like do we go back

937
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 1: to the Devonte Adams like cussing him out on the

938
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: sideline by throwing hospital balls like that. That's firmly in

939
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: play too. But if Stafford's healthy, and I think there's

940
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: the two big question marks from that team and the

941
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,959
Speaker 1: range of outcomes is Stafford's health and I just back

942
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: injuries just scare the ever loving big Jesus out of me. Man,

943
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: Like where it's like you got you got an epidural,

944
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: You're like feeling okay enough to practice. How are you

945
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: feeling a week six when the hits start piling up

946
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 1: and that that that aged body and that back starts

947
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: barking at you and it's hard to get six. Bro.

948
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 1: They open with Houston, I mean what if he gets

949
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: leveled in that game? I mean you know, if you're

950
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: Demiko Ryans, You're just gonna blitz the ever loving crap

951
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: out of them and say, okay o line, hope you

952
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,439
Speaker 1: can hold up because we're bringing the heat. Baby. But yes,

953
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 1: like this is an eleven or twelve win team if

954
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: Stafford is healthy and the secondary can hold up, because

955
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: you got a huge question marks there. Kenna Kello Witherspoon,

956
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: he's awesome when he's on the field. I mean his

957
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: entire career, he's been unable to stay healthy. So it's

958
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: like they are another wide range of outcomes, Like I

959
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 1: have some.

960
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 2: Have a Jimmy G belief I mean enough to run

961
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 2: the offense, but like he's he's a floor pick, like

962
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 2: you're just hoping, like he doesn't get any of your

963
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 2: wide receivers just absolutely decapitated over the middle if he's playing,

964
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 2: and you probably go run heavy and that's what we see,

965
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 2: like them lean on the run game and it goes

966
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 2: like conservative.

967
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: But I'll kind of tie some things together here, middle

968
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: Coff before we wrap all this up, Like, do you

969
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: think the Rams there's a non zero chance, like could

970
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,959
Speaker 1: they trade for Anthony Richardson seeing as we're talking about

971
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: a trade.

972
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, it's I think Anthony Richardson is in

973
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 2: play for all the good sweet offensive coaches like Sean

974
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 2: Payton would not be interested because he's got a young quarterback,

975
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:16,439
Speaker 2: but Andy Reid obviously Sean McVay the Bills wouldn't fit

976
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 2: that model. Like the Ravens with Lamar. You know, it's

977
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 2: like Andy Ridge is a backup now, so you don't

978
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 2: even need to worry about him, like you're just on

979
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 2: the side grinding with you. I think one hundred percent.

980
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 2: Now he's a value like can I get you for

981
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 2: like a fifth or sixth rounder? Like I don't think

982
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 2: you see any of these teams giving up anything, because

983
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 2: when you were on the fourth pick, you do make

984
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 2: some money as well. But I the first two names

985
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 2: that came to my mind were Andy Reid and Sean McVay, cause, like,

986
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 2: what we I'm not even worried about you playing, and

987
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 2: I just, you know, when we got a little downtime

988
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 2: during the week, we're working with you on the side.

989
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 2: You just we're just kind of messing with you. But

990
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 2: I do think financially, the more and more I've thought

991
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 2: about it, it's a little complicated because when you're the

992
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 2: fourth overall pick, it's you know, it's like seven eight,

993
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 2: nine million dollars. What's he in year three? Now it

994
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 2: gets a little higher as it's it's not like he's

995
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: the twenty like Jackson Dart's contract and his contracts are

996
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 2: dramatically different, right, It's like what we saw with Jerry Jones.

997
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 2: I also think people look back at Jerry Jones trading

998
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 2: for Trey Lance a fourth it's like, God, that was

999
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 2: a lot, you know, because they you know that was

1000
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 2: that was a that was a mistake at the time.

1001
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: That's a lot of Jerry trades. He just he just

1002
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: spends those forts like are going out of business.

1003
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 2: So to me, what's the value on it? What's the

1004
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 2: value on Anthey Ridgeton, Like, could they even get a fifth?

1005
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: I mean that's.

1006
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: Fifth or like a pick swap like Richardson and a

1007
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 1: pick swap for a fifth. I mean it kind of feels.

1008
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, or maybe I got a guy that I'm gonna

1009
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 2: cut that you want I trade you a player type

1010
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 2: of deal. He wouldn't go and listen, people are like,

1011
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 2: well the Colts, No, the Colts missed. It's over so

1012
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 2: you just you just have to remove them. It's not

1013
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 2: there's no value coming back. You drafted them fourth overall

1014
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 2: it failed. You can't there is no value there, right.

1015
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: You're not getting the equity back on that.

1016
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 2: No, So yeah, I could see death. Sean mcvah Andy

1017
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 2: Reid were the two guys that I thought of, But

1018
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: I guess the Ravens from a scheme standpoint, maybe they

1019
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,919
Speaker 2: because a lot of people liked them coming out, right,

1020
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: But like you said, we sometimes like we have enough evidence,

1021
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 2: like we can't just view what we viewed whenever the

1022
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 2: guy was drafted three years later, like a lot's changed.

1023
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 2: So uh so, yeah, well, enjoy all your drafts all

1024
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 2: your ever everything going on, and enjoy the season, man,

1025
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 2: and we'll definitely be in touch you guys. Keep crushing man,

1026
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 2: because I was with Coward the other day and I've

1027
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 2: heard about you guys and years before you even came on.

1028
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 2: You guys, uh do some big, big numbies on that podcast.

1029
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 2: So congrats and keep it rolling.

1030
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: Appreciate it, man, Appreciate the time talking ball. I mean,

1031
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: you're one of the sharpest in the business. Anytime we

1032
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: have a chance to sit her and hop on the

1033
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: mics and talk football, it's a good day.

1034
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 2: Talk soon, bro, Enjoy the weekend.

1035
00:47:55,120 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: Appreciate you