WEBVTT - Filmmaker Series: Adam Pranica on Phantom Thread 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.960 Welcome to Movie Crush, a production of I Heart Radio. 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:31.800 Hey everybody, and welcome to Movie Crush Friday Interview edition 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:39.360 filmmaker series with my old friend Dadam Pranica. Oh that's nice. 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:43.680 Who has a nice soap opera glow on his face? 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:47.919 You know, not enough people sing my name. I've been 0:00:47.960 --> 0:00:52.920 really missing that sing my name, Sing my name and 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:57.120 the how it goes. Yeah, Hey, buddy, good to see you. 0:00:57.920 --> 0:00:59.640 Just great to see you. It's been a while since 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:02.240 we've done one of these. It has been a while. 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:07.240 I think we both kind of secretly been sad about 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:11.440 completing this project for now. As we all know, Paul 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:16.080 Thomas Anderson has a film coming out this year, premiering 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:19.920 it Can I believe? Right, Yeah, I think so, and 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:22.959 kind of getting back to his I don't know about 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:26.840 his roots, but sort of a story less like there 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:29.880 will be blood and Phantom Limb and more like Boogie Nights. 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:34.039 It sounds like, yeah, maybe he watched Once upon a 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:37.160 Time in Hollywood and he was like, fuck you, I 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:39.679 can do it better. Yeah, And of course it won't 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:43.080 be like Boogie Boogie Nights, but it's it's not a 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:47.600 movie with probably people that are loathsome and awful. I 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:50.720 didn't realize this until I started doing a little bit 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:52.920 of research for this film. But this is like what 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:56.160 four period pieces in a row for Paul Thomas Anderson, 0:01:56.320 --> 0:02:00.280 and I hadn't realized that until reading that, And I'm 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:02.400 I'm kind of happy for him to go back to 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:05.360 the valley. At least I know his next movie is 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:08.120 going to be a period movie too. But like he's 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:12.680 such a like California and Paul Thomas Anderson are like 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:16.520 hand and glove, you know. Yeah, So before we get going, 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:19.240 we like to talk about what we're drinking, because that's 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:21.640 what you and I do traditionally, is we go at 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:24.680 about nine pm my time, six pm your time, and 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:27.400 you're drinking a big old fish bowl or something that 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:30.160 a martini. It is. I was trying. I try to 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:35.400 match my drink to the movie when it's possible. Well, fuck, dude, 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:36.880 why didn't you tell me you were having a martini? 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:39.840 I would have had a martini. Well, the last time 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:43.120 you and I talked to Martiniz, you sprung it on 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:45.160 me that that you were having one, and I was like, oh, 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:46.919 that sounds really nice. And then you took a picture 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:51.079 from your bathtub where you were drinking it. That is 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:56.120 very true. I had a bathtub martini like Arthur style. Yeah, 0:02:57.880 --> 0:02:59.560 like I think that's the first time and the only 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:01.520 time I've were done that, by the way, because when 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:03.880 you send someone a picture like that, what you're kind 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:07.080 of saying is I'm doing the ritual, right, But it 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:11.480 was I've only ever had shower beers. I've never had 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:14.480 bath tub Martiniz. I feel like you're doing it better. 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:21.200 Highly recommended. Yeah. Yeah, tonight, I'm having a double martini 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:23.760 in a giant punch bowl of a Martini glass and 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:27.120 it's got it's not clear because I'm using aged vermouth 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:30.000 in here. And give me just the rundown of what 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:33.560 what is in that thing? Oh, it's uh, it's St. 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:37.480 George Gin. It's this aged vermouth. It's a couple of 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:42.440 couple of skeets of of orange bitters and then three olives. 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:44.440 All right, and you don't go dirty, right, you're just 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:48.840 straight up I don't, but I used to. I feel 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:53.200 like everyone's first martini is the dirty martini, right, Like 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:56.120 that's that's the onboarding process for people when they start 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:58.240 drinking Martiniz. I know it was mine and most of 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:01.640 my friends started out that way. But I am anti 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:04.200 dirty now I am like, give it to me hot, 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:07.920 like like like that cold fire, right like an ice 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:11.040 cold Martini is is one of the great flavors. I 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:13.480 don't need. I don't need the olive juice in there, 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:17.600 Get it out of there. Are you saying that I'm, 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:21.560 you know, somehow a lesser martini drinker. No, I'm not 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:23.920 saying that at all. I'm saying I'm stating my personal 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:27.720 preference and I'm sharing with you my journey. But when 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:30.840 you say things like I feel like most jerk offs 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:34.919 when they first try our martini, it's like this, people 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:39.320 drinking martini is not in a bathtub, and it just sucks. Man. 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:42.359 That's just not the way to enjoy them. How do 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:45.000 you like yours? You know, I go dirty, but I 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:47.080 go I don't eat olives. I don't care for olives, 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:49.400 but I do like that brine. So you're dirty with 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:53.640 a limit twist and a little bit. I like that combo. 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:55.560 So you have olives in the house, you don't eat 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:58.480 the olives, you're just or do you buy the Brian? 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:05.560 I buy dirty sue olive juice? How about that bottled 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:09.040 and sent right to your door, big fan of Dirty Sue. 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:14.839 Dirty Sue buys all the olives, makes the juice, and 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:16.680 then just throws them away. Right. It sounds like a 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:20.000 real wasteful process. If you ask me, well, if Dirty 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:22.479 Sue is smart, she'd be in bed with an olive 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:26.040 oil maker. Actually I don't. I don't even know how 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:28.400 they get the olive oil brine. I mean, that's not 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:32.080 olive juice, is it. It's a coincidence that Dirty Sue 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:37.080 is also your stripper name. It really is. Um I 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:40.320 wish I had known, No, no problem, not mad. As 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:46.160 you can see, I have a giant glass of red wine. Yeah, 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:48.080 this glass is so big, I kind of want to 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:51.120 hold it with two hands. I'm used to seeing vessels 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:57.080 that size made out of wood by a Cooper. I'm 0:05:57.120 --> 0:06:02.880 having Jacob Franklin Petizzera nap of alley M really yummy. 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:06.039 You know, now that I'm living in California, you know 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:08.280 your next trip out here, you got to go up 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:13.040 to wine country man enjoy some wine hangs. I'm all 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:15.440 about it. In fact, we uh, I should just let 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:18.280 you know because we're gonna do a wine trip with 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:20.920 our best friends own a wine shop here in town, 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:23.520 right up the street. I like a friend from college 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:27.280 and his his partner, and they have never been to 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:29.880 Nappa in Sonoma. So we're gonna just do a trip 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:32.000 with him at some point. I should let's just let 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:35.279 you guys know when that's happening. Please do that'd be great. 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:37.520 You can just drive on up. You and I have 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:41.320 had some great wine hangs over the years. I'm looking 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:44.320 forward to more, indeed, but I'll stick with the wine. 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:47.760 My urges to to plus. Just down the toilet right now, 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:52.680 giant Martini. Just finish and then drop a pin in 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:54.680 the in the time code. Here you go up and 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:57.800 get your second round. Oh boy, well this is already 0:06:57.839 --> 0:06:59.680 two rounds, so I think this will do it. Yeah, 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:01.280 I mean, how much of a bottle fits in that 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:04.280 giant glass? Uh? Well, I didn't want to have to 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:07.560 go upstairs, so this is a hefty two glasses in 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:09.920 one glass. I see. That's just being that's just being 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:13.240 smart right there. Yeah, that's doing a podcast style. Yeah. 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:17.160 Have you done another round on movie Crush? No, man, 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:20.000 I haven't seen it yet. I have heard great things, 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:23.240 and it is it is not just a cursory on 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:26.680 my list it is high, high on my list of 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:29.040 a film that was. Yeah, man, I can't wait. And 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:33.280 of course they're remaking it with I think Leonardo Dicabrio. Yeah, 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:36.440 I mean, what are you gonna do? I think I've 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:41.360 learned not to approach Eleo DiCaprio movie with any sort 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:46.040 of consternation, like he's great, he's gonna he's gonna do 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:49.240 a great job. But that original is a special film. Yeah. 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:51.200 I think it said in that way because it's just like, 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:56.480 of course, amazing foreign film. American person goes, oh well, 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:59.720 let me do that same movie a couple of years later. Yeah, 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:03.480 but I get it. Yeah, you can't me money on 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:06.760 the table at him. You know who who plays a 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:10.560 great drunk, Leo DiCaprio. Not to go back to Once 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:13.560 upon a time in Hollywood, but oh no, that guy 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:15.720 does a great act drunk. You know what I'm says 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:18.320 he does, and I think we do it well in 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:22.160 real life. I know, so classy drunk. So you and 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:25.040 me the kind you want to be around. Like, no 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:27.680 one likes an angry drunk, a thrower or a yell er. 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:31.960 We're just we're gigglers. Boy. I remember the very first 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:35.079 time I ever legit got drunk in college because it 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:37.240 didn't drink in high school. I was straight and narrow. 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:41.640 But I got drunk my freshman year in college and 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:44.959 these girls took me out, fellow freshman who knew I 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:46.520 didn't drink. They were like, Oh, we're gonna take you 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:49.720 out and get you drunk, and so these uh, these 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:52.400 two girls took me out and I got drunk on 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:56.320 the Sex in the beach is sex in the beaches, 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:59.640 sexes on the beach. I don't even know what's in 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:01.760 that st I just know they were like, this is 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:05.560 nice and a lot of sugar, if I remember correctly, 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:08.120 And I just remember being in love with the world 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:10.680 man for the very first time that I drank a 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:13.360 lot like that, and they were just laughing. They were like, 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:17.640 you're just love and life, aren't you. You're having fun? Oh? Yes, 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:20.720 isn't that the goal? I feel very fortunate to be 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:24.880 wired the way that I am for for consumption like this. 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:28.240 I fully recognize and appreciate that many people aren't. Many 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:31.440 people have the problem or the curse. Yeah, I'm glad 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:34.160 I'm not cursed in that way because I do enjoy 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:37.200 what it does for me. Yeah, you know what I've 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:41.120 never done when I've been drinking. I wanted to start 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:45.760 a fight? No, yeah, sober for that matter, Yeah, no, 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:48.840 not at all. And you know what the main reason is, 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:50.760 I don't never want to get punched in the face 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:54.400 in my life. Yeah, Nor does it sound fun to 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:56.840 punch anyone else in the face. It sounds very painful 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:59.920 for the hand. Yeah, it sounds a little more enjoy 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:03.360 well than getting punched in the vase. But yeah, that's 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:06.320 where I stopped. Yeah, I think we've talked about it before. 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:08.120 You're not gonna go pick a fight with some money together? 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:10.880 Oh right? At that point? Or were we going to 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:13.240 fight each other? There was something? And uh? And the 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:16.080 reason is like, between the two of us, the odds 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:18.120 are pretty good that one of us won't be punched 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:23.880 in the face. All right, man, so let's get into it. 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:27.560 We of course will cover that. Whenever the new PTA 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:30.800 gets released, we'll see that and do it do it 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:33.880 live or not live? But you know, soon after it 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:36.120 comes out, Oh yeah, let's rent out a movie theater 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:40.280 do it live. I wonder if they're gonna still do that. God, 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:43.839 I don't know have you done that yet? The are 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:46.840 you're talking about during COVID, like where you could rent 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:49.559 the theater out for a hundred bucks or whatever. Uh. 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:52.880 I wanted to do that very badly, but no theaters 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:57.319 within like hundreds of miles of me made that possible, 0:10:57.559 --> 0:10:59.640 so they didn't play play that game. That's right, they 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:01.840 were no. I think you could do it in Seattle. 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:04.240 I was envious of that, but I couldn't do it 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:08.560 down here? Could you? Did you? Uh? We can? I 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:13.080 did not. My daughter went to a birthday party um 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:16.240 where her friends had rented a theater for like thirteen girls, 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:18.760 and Emily went to that. It was not able to 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:20.600 go because I was podcasting, but she said it was 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:23.640 a lot of fun. I bet I have not been 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:26.280 back to a movie theater yet. I still haven't either. 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:29.400 I'm ready. I just are they even open? And Elliott 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:33.920 probably not? Uh they are Here's I don't like. I 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:36.400 understand the fun of ripping the band aid off and 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:38.920 going back to see like God Dela versus King Kong 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:41.200 or something, but I kind of want my first movie 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:45.240 back to be like good, Yeah, you see too. I 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:48.080 thought about a quiet place to this week, and it 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:52.280 never aligned with my schedule, and I think that'll is 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:54.360 supposed to be pretty good for what it is. But 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:56.040 I'm kind of with you. I wanted to be a 0:11:56.080 --> 0:12:02.520 great movie. Yeah, yeah, I do too, And uh, I'm 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:05.720 not I'm not up to speed on on the release 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:08.520 calendar either. I feel like things are just coming back 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:11.120 online now to where we're starting to get an understanding 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:14.480 of when you're I don't know when when your tent 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:17.720 pole movies are coming out. Well, I know you and 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:19.760 I I mean, if we don't see Top Gun together, 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:23.199 then there's something wrong. Gott to see Top Gun together. 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:28.280 I gotta tell you, I don't know if if you 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:30.959 edit things like this out of the show. So maybe 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:36.760 you will. And I'm sorry for saying. I quite coincidentally, uh, 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:39.600 and and Poker buddies with the writer of the new 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:44.360 Top Gun movie, and it is taking everything in my 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:46.920 power not to just nerd out on this guy and 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:50.360 ask a million questions. Holy cow. Yeah, I'm not gonna 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:53.040 edit that out unless you feel like he would not 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:55.319 want the world to know he plays poker. No, I mean, 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:59.520 the guy is super cool, and I'm I'm like, I'm 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:02.480 like shape a king playing poker, like right with all 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:06.520 the questions I have, But what a great movie. What 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:10.200 a great opportunity for that, like to make that your 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:14.320 first movie? Back when is that supposed to be out? Like, 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:16.040 I don't know. I mean, they've certainly got a backlog 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:18.040 of films they have had in the Bond movie and 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:20.559 the Black Widow movie. We've got everything from last year, 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:24.240 and then they also started making movies again at some point, 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:26.280 so I'm sure there's some other new stuff. I got 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:27.880 all these olives in front of me. I feel like 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:31.880 I can't eat the olives on our show because of Saponia. 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:35.200 I'm gonna I'm gonna eat an olive. I'm just gonna. 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:37.600 I'm hoping you're gonna vamp here, all right, I will 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:42.960 vamp Let's get into Phantom Thread. This is the last 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:47.600 movie that he has made because we've been going in order. Uh. 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:50.760 This is another movie with Daniel day Lewis. Yea. This 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:53.480 is a movie. One of the great foreheads in all 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:59.760 of film. Um. This is a movie that deviates from 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:05.720 the the father son dynamic into a mother's son situation. 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:09.280 Even though the mother in this film has passed on, 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:12.080 she does appear via a vision at one point, and 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:15.880 she very much just looms large as a whole don't 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:19.640 you think it's a very hereditary type scene when she appears, 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:22.560 right it is? It looks like a horror movie for 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:26.640 a second. Yeah, yeah. I kept playing for something to 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:30.680 happen there, and nothing did that was really elegantly done 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:33.680 and not played for the jump scare anything, just played 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:36.840 for the mood. And it's such a mood film the 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:41.200 whole way. It's very consistent like that it is. I 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:46.520 think in another director's hands you could have you could 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:50.320 veer into sort of horror movie territory with this movie. Yeah, 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:52.040 if you wanted to, you'd have to change it up some, 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:58.240 but not a whole lot. It's interesting how much how 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:00.720 much genre decision can come to down to the edit. 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:03.440 Like I think you could make this a horror film 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:09.240 with no new scenes at all, just how you cut it, 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:11.760 Like you turn up the Johnny Greenwood a little bit, 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:15.040 or maybe you uh, you get some weirder Johnny Greenwood 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:17.520 and all of a sudden, I think it's right there, 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:21.640 especially with how intense Daniel day Lewis is in this film. 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:25.720 I mean, I I watched this with my wife. I 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:27.720 don't know if you watched this alone or not, and 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:30.480 it was her first time watching it, and she's very 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:34.520 much a like a fan of the costume period type 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:37.600 of film, and my expectation was that she would love 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:42.239 it m but she did not, and it was because 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:47.160 of uh of Woodcocks character. I just love saying that name. 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:51.240 I'm gonna say this as often as possible. Reynolds character is. 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:58.040 I love it every time. I feel like they didn't 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:02.600 overdo the dialogue that included that name either very specifically 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:06.520 because they knew the absurdity of the name. I guarantee 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:08.840 you and I agree with that. And I guarantee you 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:13.200 that Paul Thomas Anderson very much chuckled to himself when 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:15.680 he thought of that name. Yeah. I mean what I 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:18.200 read is that he he sort of pitched the idea 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:22.200 to two D D L and laughed and laughed about 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:24.680 the name of the character. And that was one of 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:27.880 the reasons he got him, uh, he was able to 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:34.280 get him involved in the film. Was It's Yeah, it's 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:38.440 hard to believe. It's strange credulity that, you know, Paul 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:41.120 Thomas Anderson and Daniel the Lewis would just be phone 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:44.880 buddies laughing about Reynolds. Woodcock is a name but from 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:47.920 what I read. That's how this movie got put together. 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:59.880 That's hysterical. Yeah, I believe it too. That's funny. Yeah, 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:04.679 it's a movie very much about power and the push 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:07.520 and pull of that power. It's a movie with a 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:14.200 great twist, kind of a double twist. Uh. And I 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:18.720 even have here on my notes like the beginning music 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:23.480 sounds like something out of a horror movie. Yeah. I 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:27.119 wonder one of the questions I had for you, And like, 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:31.960 just to tie off that comment about my wife watching this, 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:35.080 I wonder how well this film has aged for you, 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:42.360 because I feel like for a long time, films about 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:48.840 the asshole with a misunderstood genius complex and the enablers 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:52.160 they surround themselves with was like sort of a genre 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:59.080 of itself. And I seeing this through my wife's size, 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:05.679 I understood how poorly that has aged because was that 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:08.520 one of her beefs. Yeah, yeah, Like, like, this guy's 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:10.959 an asshole and he's he's cruel to people around him, 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:17.359 and obviously he is, but I also found him funny. 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:21.120 And there is a lot of comedy in this film. 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:26.560 That breakfast order for Yeah, yeah, big fun, big, big fun. 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:30.480 I love it. Man, he's ordering all this food I 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:34.240 thought I wrote it down. I love how he doesn't 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:37.199 order it all at once. It's like order, order a 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:40.359 piece of it, and then wait and then another and 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:45.080 then wait. Yeah, relsh welsh rare bit cream butter. It's 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:49.159 also sumptuous, you know, everything is dead and bacon, some 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:54.040 scones and uh. And then at the very end he 0:18:54.160 --> 0:19:01.800 just throws in in some sausages. The move move. I 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:04.840 love this, this technique, Like I'm I'm not going to 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:07.159 call it a seduction technique because I don't think this 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:10.040 is something that Reynolds does all the time, Like I 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:14.919 don't feel like this is his move. But the and 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:17.960 I felt for a long time never do bits on tips. 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:20.879 This is something that that I say on The Greatest 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:24.159 Generation show, like like when you're be as nice as 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:27.120 you can to a service industry person and don't funk 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:31.840 with them, and the idea, yeah, yeah, you're you're not. 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:35.320 They're they're working for tips. So the idea of taking 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:41.000 away her her written notes of the order and and 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:43.879 and asking if she remembers, I have to say it 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:46.760 made me laugh. It was funny. It was pretty funny, 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:49.400 and it was also sort of a power control thing. 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:53.440 Um and I don't even think I answered your question 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:55.000 is so kind of go how's this age for me? 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:59.480 I I know that was sort of a genre, but 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:03.480 his movies and this movie is so like its own thing. 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:06.640 I kind of just have it in its own capsule. 0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:09.800 I don't even think about it as like bad man 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:13.120 in power abusing the people around him, even though that's 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:16.920 what's going on. Um, and this is only the second 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:18.520 time I've seen it. Emily and I saw it together. 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:23.480 The first time, I really loved it. The uh, I 0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:25.040 don't think so. I think we saw it at home, 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:28.760 and then this time I was it was a solo 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:32.080 watch just because she wasn't here, but she she wanted 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:34.160 to watch it again. She was kind of not upset, 0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:36.080 but just disappointed that she didn't get to watch it again. 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:40.840 Um and I and I really like the movie a 0:20:40.840 --> 0:20:45.400 lot like Paul Thomas Anderson is just like he's he's 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:48.480 doing something different every time out that you that you 0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:51.919 normally see in a film, and he's working on a 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:54.480 different level. And I get that a lot of people 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:56.440 don't like this stuff. We said this about the Master 0:20:56.560 --> 0:20:59.840 and there will be blood. Uh, and that's you know, 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:03.080 I kind of admire someone just for making the movie 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:05.240 he wants to make and not not necessarily to please 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:10.600 an audience. Totally agree, and there are so few filmmakers 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:14.080 who have that kind of latitude. Like I don't want 0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:16.240 that to stop. I always want to see what Paul 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:20.359 Thomas Anderson wants to do. Yeah, I wonder where how 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:24.600 this came to him? And yeah, you know, I mean 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:27.600 what I read is he, uh, he either watched a 0:21:27.680 --> 0:21:31.760 film or read something about Balenciaga as a as a 0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:34.000 fashion designer, and then he just sort of went down 0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:37.640 that rabbit hole of like the cult of personality there 0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:42.480 and and came to it as kind of a new enthusiast, 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:47.800 which is like so interesting that that he chased down 0:21:47.840 --> 0:21:52.000 a new interest and made a film about that. Like 0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:54.320 that that feels like power to me. It's I mean, 0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:57.080 the power that Paul Thomas Anderson has as a filmmaker 0:21:57.520 --> 0:22:00.320 to just be allowed, be permitted and to have a 0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:02.120 budget and go do his own thing is one thing. 0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:06.320 But as like a creative person, there's a there's a 0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:08.840 there's a separate but equal power that has to do 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:12.439 with his interests, and those interests don't necessarily align with 0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:16.160 his strengths, like imagine being Paul Thomas Anderson and knowing 0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:19.280 what your strengths are and going, I just learned about 0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:23.040 the fashion industry in this era. What if I could 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:25.600 tell an interesting story here and then he goes and 0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:28.919 does it. I think that's really admirable. It is, And 0:22:28.960 --> 0:22:31.760 I also wonder if you know, of course, Daniel day 0:22:31.800 --> 0:22:35.760 Lewis has supposedly retired after this film, and I believe him, 0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:39.600 do you? I do. I think he's like a boxer. 0:22:39.680 --> 0:22:44.000 I think I think you're picking up the phone, aren't 0:22:44.040 --> 0:22:46.600 you if you're him, because you know, if the phone 0:22:46.640 --> 0:22:49.919 is ringing, you're getting someone's best pitch. You want to 0:22:49.920 --> 0:22:51.520 know what's out there. But he's been getting the best 0:22:51.520 --> 0:22:54.440 pitch for a while. Yeah, he didn't have to fake retirement. 0:22:55.600 --> 0:22:57.199 I don't know. I don't know. We'll see, but I 0:22:57.240 --> 0:23:01.240 wonder how much he uh when he was picking his films. 0:23:02.040 --> 0:23:07.120 I wonder how much he would choose them based on like, well, 0:23:07.160 --> 0:23:10.160 I'm gonna have to learn to sew now like because 0:23:10.240 --> 0:23:14.040 he very famously goes super method and learns how to 0:23:14.080 --> 0:23:17.320 do these things, whether it's becoming a full on carpenter 0:23:17.440 --> 0:23:20.399 or learning how to really so address so I wonder 0:23:20.440 --> 0:23:22.639 if he like that. That's a lot of bad I mean, 0:23:22.680 --> 0:23:24.280 I'm kind of joking, but I'm kind of not. I mean, 0:23:24.280 --> 0:23:26.000 that's a lot of baggage to come with a film 0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:28.240 like do I have it in me to learn how 0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:31.359 to be a probably not a master seamsters or anything 0:23:31.440 --> 0:23:34.600 or seemster. What would you call it? Oh, I like seemster. 0:23:34.760 --> 0:23:39.880