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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A three year old little

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation

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Speaker 1: and Sirius XM one eleven. First of all, take a

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Speaker 1: listen to our friend at the Truro Police Department, Chief

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Speaker 1: Dave McNeil, the Fox of this. Yesterday afternoon, about one

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Speaker 1: twenty in the afternoon, the Truro Police Service received a

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Speaker 1: call to the area of Queen Street and Elizabeth Street

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Speaker 1: regarding a missing three year old boy who was later

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Speaker 1: confirmed to Dylan Eller. Dylan was at his grandmother's residence

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Speaker 1: on Queen Street playing outside. His grandmother became briefly distracted

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Speaker 1: Dylan was no longer in the yard. Patrol officers arrived

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Speaker 1: within four minutes of the first call. We began to

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Speaker 1: gather information and evidence photo of Dylan, description area of

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Speaker 1: where he was. Officers did a quick neighborhood canvas. We

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Speaker 1: called her Keenan unit to respond. He was there very

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Speaker 1: quickly and began to track in the area. Where is

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Speaker 1: this baby boy? Again? Thank you for being with us,

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Speaker 1: with me and all Star panel to break it down

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Speaker 1: and put it back together again. Dave mac joining me

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Speaker 1: Crime online dot com. Investigative reporter Erv Brandt, formerly with

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Speaker 1: the US Marshall Service International Investigations Brand. You can find

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Speaker 1: him at IRV brand dot com. Karen Start were now

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Speaker 1: in psychologists joining us from New York at Karen Start

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Speaker 1: dot com. Karen with a see James shell Nutt twenty

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Speaker 1: Nutt Law Firm dot com. And two very special guests

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Speaker 1: joining us, Jason and Ashley. This is baby Dylan's parents.

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Speaker 1: To both of you, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: First to you, Jason, tell me about the circumstances of

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Speaker 1: Dylan going missing. The day dylanan missing. UM, I showed

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Speaker 1: up at a round three o'clock and I walked right

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Speaker 1: into it and the cop told me my son was missing,

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Speaker 1: and UM a search and Dylan had went missing at

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Speaker 1: one twenty four. So at that point Canine was just

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Speaker 1: getting there. UM. So they took you know, forty minutes

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Speaker 1: took a little over three hours for boots in the ground.

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Speaker 1: UM it was chaos. I remember chaos. What could you

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Speaker 1: UM well, I mean certainly you said, hey, what happened?

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Speaker 1: Where did he go? How did he go missing? Yeah? Exactly?

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Speaker 1: UM and UM, you know that wasn't really my concern.

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Speaker 1: to talk to Dorothy or anything. You weren't told whether

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Speaker 1: he had been playing in a car. Where do they

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Speaker 1: Dave Matt Crime online dot Com investigative reporter tell me

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Speaker 1: the facts surrounding the disappearance of baby Dylan. All Right,

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Speaker 1: Dylan was dropped off with his grandmother and she ended

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Speaker 1: up Sutton dropped off by who? And which grandmother actually

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Speaker 1: dropped Dylan off with her mother, Dorothy Parsons at Dorothy's

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about that, Nancy, because it takes no

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Speaker 1: to Dylan's mom joining us, Ashley Brown to you and Jason,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. And I know this

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Speaker 1: being with us and going through with us. For those

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Speaker 1: disappearance of a beautiful little boy three years old when

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Speaker 1: do you make of that? Because think back to Samantha

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Speaker 1: happened just like that. Given the layout. What we know

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Speaker 1: somebody going by in a car. I mean eighteen seconds

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Speaker 1: But she could be wrong about eighteen seconds. Where do

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Speaker 1: it might take one or two minutes. Every time our dog,

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Speaker 1: Jason Eller, this is Dylan's dad is to get what

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Speaker 1: We've had about seven or eight ransoms. What people actually

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Speaker 1: trying to connect with you and say, we have your son,

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Speaker 1: although they're going to kill my son if we don't

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Speaker 1: give them so much money. A guy sent a picture

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Speaker 1: of I think it was a picture of maybe Dylan,

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Speaker 1: but it was all photoshop and looked like he bruises

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Speaker 1: which is worth forty some thousand dollars untraceable money. There

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Speaker 1: of thousand dollars. Ransom, ransom threats is the only way

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Speaker 1: I can put that to James Shellnutt twenty seven years

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Speaker 1: metro A major case. What do you think? What do

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Speaker 1: I think about that on their but I will tell

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Speaker 1: There are some sick people in this world. And I

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Speaker 1: don't know that I've had any where someone truly called

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Speaker 1: where they we know that ter a police at one

427
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: twenty four. That's when they say the call was made

428
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: to the police to nine one one at one twenty four.

429
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: The claim that was after you know, he went missing

430
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: at approximately one fifteen. And that's from the reports from

431
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: the police department. So, Jason Eller, we have established with

432
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: Dave Matt that the screams were heard at one fifteen,

433
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: the call was made by neighbors at one twenty four

434
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: to nine one one. But you're telling me that there

435
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: was some inconsistency in the story. What inconsistency, Jason Eller?

436
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: There's some inconsistent because when our PI went in canvas

437
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: the area the witnesses, Um, we're not talking like she

438
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: was screaming. Um, it was completely different. Actually, there's stories

439
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: don't actually compel with the grandmother's stories. So um he

440
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: had he That's that's one of his big concerns. You

441
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: know that they weren't properly questions. So let me ask

442
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: you what did the neighbors say happened? Um? She apparently, Um,

443
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: the neighbor lad across from her, said that I thought

444
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: if he wasn't acting erratic like uh like you know,

445
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: being she figured she would be more loud and be scared.

446
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: But she looked more calm and she should be. Another

447
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,479
Speaker 1: neighbor said that she was seen at twelve thirty looking.

448
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: Another neighbor said that he noticed something. Maybe there wasn't

449
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,959
Speaker 1: her yelling for doing maybe once I know, the neighbor

450
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: went down and look through the brook and there was nothing.

451
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: There was no child. I believe you mentioned earlier that

452
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: a neighbor spotted her looking for Dylan. So apparently this

453
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: lady was waiting and she Dorothy had came to her

454
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: door and asked her if she was being daing. So,

455
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: Jason Eller, you're saying that right around the time that

456
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: the grandma was looking for Dylan, a neighbor went and

457
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: looked in the creek and there was no child in

458
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: the water at all. There was no child in sight anywhere.

459
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: There were no footprints, no nothing. Straight back out to

460
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,719
Speaker 1: IRV Brandt joining me, former US Marshall's Service and author

461
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: of Flying Solo, Top of the World on Amazon, or again,

462
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. If a neighbor went

463
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: immediately and checked out the creek, and there was no

464
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: child in the water, and there was no child were

465
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: to be seen that quickly, remember eighteen seconds before the

466
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: grandma says she realized he was gone. That makes it

467
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: really hard for me believe that child ended up in

468
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: any water. That's correct, you would it would lead you

469
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: to believe that the child was taken and probably transported

470
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: by car at that point, and was probably kidnapped instead

471
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: of woundered off like you said, you could see in

472
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: both directions up the road, if the child was running

473
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: up and down the road, and if someone checked down

474
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: by the creek and didn't see any footprint, didn't see

475
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: a child, it would be a reasonable assumption to believe

476
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: that someone picked him up. Ashley Brown, tell me about

477
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: that creek near Dorothy Parsons home. How deep is it? Well,

478
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: on that day it was deeper than usual. In some

479
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: spots that was almost chest deep. But normally it's not.

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00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: It's not an overly deep brook. Now you're saying a brook.

481
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get a middle image of what kind

482
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: is it like a river? Or how? Why does it

483
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: is it something that children play in? Had Dylan ever

484
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: played in it before. Dylan has never played in it before.

485
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: He's never been down to that brook, and I don't

486
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: think kids play in it in that area. It flows

487
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: underneath the train tracks that come from the train yard,

488
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: and there there's quite a bit of debris in it.

489
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: It's not overly wide. It's it's a brook. Um, it's

490
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: a small it's a small brook. It's probably a few

491
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: feet wide. I would guess maybe five six feet wide.

492
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: But you're saying it was six feet deep. I mean

493
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: chest deep. That'd be four feet in some spots, yes,

494
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: not all, not all areas of it. The reason I'm

495
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: asking if he had ever played in it before, Jason Eller,

496
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: is if he had never played in it, then how

497
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: would he even know to go to it? Law I

498
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: know law enforcement. We're trying to say he heard it

499
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: or search and rescue, which I didn't believe. So that

500
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: brook some places were about waist deep. There's no one

501
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 1: spot in that brook that's chestie. I know that brook

502
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: to the back of my head now. I've been to

503
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: it at the highest points. I know. They did a

504
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: mannequin test that they had to take the weights out.

505
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: It completely failed. They had to push the mannequin out

506
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: of the brook into the river. Then they had to

507
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: push it down the river. I mean, like there's so

508
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: much to breed in that brook. There's actually a tree

509
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: that was crossing the brook and all the branches were

510
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: coming down. I remember when it dried up and we

511
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 1: were going through it. We had to push our way

512
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: through these branches to keep going through the brook. And

513
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: there were many types of what are they call it

514
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: fences in the brook, so many logs crossing. So if

515
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: he had gone in that brook, he would have been found.

516
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: It was pretty full. There was a there was a

517
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: spot actually that squirrels in the brook, and it all

518
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: kind of hits one corner of the brook and it

519
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: caused some erosion through a hole in the in the

520
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: corner of the brook. There was a shopping cart in

521
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: the hole, and that's where his first boot was found.

522
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: So to me, with the power of the water hit

523
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: in that corner, he should have been there too. What

524
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 1: do you make everyone, you just heard that Dylan's boots

525
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: were found near the water. Now I'm curious these boots, Jason,

526
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: you said they were two sizes too big, and then

527
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: one was in one spot by the water and the

528
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: other was in another spot by the water. Dylan boots

529
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: were a size too big, and so one was found

530
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: in a shopping cart underwater, and it was by I

531
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't say it was a beaver dam, but there was

532
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,399
Speaker 1: a build up of debris from the water swirling into

533
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: that corner. So to me, it was almost impossible for

534
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: him to get out of that spot. And then he

535
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: would have to pass a tree, the one that you

536
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: would have to dig through to get through, and his

537
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: boot was through all that and it made it just

538
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: a boat to the mouth of the river. But it

539
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: must have sunk there. See when it when you when

540
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: it comes out to the end of the brook where

541
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: just before it merges to the river, there's like some backflow.

542
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: So anything that just a boat hits the river kind

543
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: of floats back up the brook a little bit. So

544
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: it's quite an interesting area. The mannequin did the same thing.

545
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: It kind of floated back up. It didn't work that

546
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: Bloody had had to push it in. Who bought him

547
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: the boots His grandmother did. It was it was either

548
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: for Easter or for his birthday. The two were pretty

549
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: close together just before he went missing, So the grandma

550
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: bought him the boots just before he goes missing. Do

551
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: you believe Jason and Ashley that he actually went into

552
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: the water. No, I think there's more to the story,

553
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: and I always have Ashley. Do you think he went

554
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: into the water? I definitely think that there's more to

555
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: the story. But I also think with the time delays

556
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 1: with search and rescue, if he was somehow not seen

557
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: and he would have had time to make it to

558
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 1: the brooks. So for me, I'm still I'm still fifty

559
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 1: fifty with it, see and I'm almost the same fifty

560
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: fifty because search and rescue did take three hours for

561
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: boots from the ground, and in fact they were ready

562
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 1: within fifteen to twenty minutes, So that's on the police.

563
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: But the neighbor went and looked at the water immediately

564
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: and said there was not a child there. When I

565
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 1: arrived at three, there was nobody there except for one

566
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: officer and the canine just went into the woods. And

567
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: I know when the canine unit came out, the one

568
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: officer and the dog. The dog wasn't west, the officer

569
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: wasn't wet, and in fact, the officer told me that

570
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: this dog's not meant for looking for children, especially after

571
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: this much loss of time, So that's true story. I

572
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: don't make that stuff up. I understand that it took

573
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: them three hours to get there. I understand what you're

574
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: saying about the dog. A neighbor went straight to the

575
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: creek when the grandma screamed, and there was not a

576
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 1: child in the water. That suggests the child was never

577
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 1: at the water. I mean, does any of this making sense,

578
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: James shal Nutt, No, it doesn't make sense. The neighbor

579
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: goes straight to the water, doesn't see the child, the

580
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: search and rescue doesn't find the child in the water.

581
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: I'm almost wondering if either the boots were staged or

582
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: if someone just tried to get rid of the boots

583
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: in the water and the child was somewhere else. I

584
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 1: keep hearing that the one where one boot was, Where

585
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: was the other boot, Ashley Brown? The other boot was

586
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: found farther down the brook, closer to the opening to

587
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: Salmon River, and it was found submerged as well. Guys,

588
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 1: if you have information on the disappearance of this beautiful boy,

589
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: Dylan Eller, please dial nine zero two eight nine five

590
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: five three five one repeat nine zero two eight nine

591
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: five five three five one No one has been named

592
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: a person of interest or a suspect or a defendant.

593
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: We don't know where Dylan is or how he went missing,

594
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: but many people believe he never went in the water.

595
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: So where is he? Nancy Gray's Crime Story, signing off

596
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:38,479
Speaker 1: goodbye friend,