1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M 4 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt Noel 5 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:30,479 Speaker 1: is on Adventures, but will be rejoining us at some 6 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: point in the future. In the meantime, they call me Ben. 7 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: We are with our super producer Paul Decon. Most importantly, 8 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: you are you, and you are here, and that makes 9 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: this stuff they don't want you to know. Matt. Yes, now, 10 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: you're a musician. That's something that longtime listeners are aware of, right, correct, 11 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,639 Speaker 1: And I can I can vouch for friends and neighbors. 12 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: He is a cracker jack percussionist, you know, Travis Barker. 13 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: But I am fairly good at what I do. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, 14 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: I'm a big fan personally. And it's strange because rock 15 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: and roll. Since we mentioned Travis Parker, drummer, Blink winning 16 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: D two right, rock and roll occupies such a unique 17 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: niche in the American zeitgeist, in our culture and our 18 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: history and on and on and on. Uh, there's another 19 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: thing that seems very American in our culture, and that's 20 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: the concept of UFOs right, Oh sure, Yeah, we have 21 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: all this vast lands like land out in the west 22 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: that's just devoid of anything but military bases and flying 23 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: objects that we don't know what they are and weirdos. 24 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: There are a lot of people in cool things out 25 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: there too, in wildlife, but you know, things going around 26 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: in the sky that blink that that's my favorite part 27 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: of it at least. So today we are exploring some 28 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: strange facets of this geist in a way that is 29 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: full disclosure, m kind of new to us. But we 30 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: are not sallying forth into this territory alone, No, ladies 31 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: and gentlemen. Today we are joined by a very special guest, 32 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: a friend of the show, who is going to provide 33 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: some cognitive firepower, some intellectual ammunition to today's exploration. And 34 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: we'd like to let the badger out of the bag 35 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 1: and introduce him in person. Now, friends and neighbors, skeptics 36 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: and fellow conspiracy realists alike, presenting John go Forth. The 37 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: intellectual part you might have overstated, but I'll do my best. Oh, 38 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: don't be silly, John go Forth. I'm gonna just gonna 39 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,279 Speaker 1: say this right now. He is the host of Hysteria 40 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,959 Speaker 1: fifty one, one of the co hosts of Hysteria fifty one. 41 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: Not the best. I mean, I'm just not gonna say 42 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: the best one, but my favorite one definitively not the 43 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: best one. There's three of us. It's myself, my my 44 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: co host Brent Hand, and then our our third co 45 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: host is in Angry Robot bent on world domination, named 46 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: conspiracy Bot, but he normally doesn't succeed because he's too 47 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: busy drinking. Yeah, and we have a clip of conspiracy 48 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: bought that some of you may recognize. Stay Woke meat sex. 49 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: He always says that he does. He does. It makes 50 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: me wonder about you know, you guys aligning yourself with 51 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: such a character. We built him to help edit, edit, 52 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: and produce the show, and unfortunately he spends most of 53 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: his time just drinking and spending our money. Oh man, Yeah, 54 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: that's my my Amazon Alexas like that. If you can't 55 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: tell we we are we. While we do focus on 56 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories and mysteries, the unusual, UFOs, the unexplained, we 57 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: certainly um also are rooted a bit in comedy, sure, 58 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: and so we try to get our facts right. But 59 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: we have a lot of try to have a lot 60 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: of fun doing it, much like you guys do. Thank you, flattered, 61 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: and thank you for coming on the show today. John, 62 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: we're talking about this off here. We were originally kicking 63 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: around some ideas collectively and we were thinking, well, what 64 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: would we what would we like to explore and our 65 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: time together today, And the thing that we all kept 66 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: running into was the fascinating story of disclosure. The concept 67 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: is going to be familiar to a lot of listeners 68 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 1: of Hysteria fifty one, a lot of listeners of stuff 69 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. But it may also 70 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: sound very vague and foreboding and mysterious, or maybe just 71 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: vague to a quite a few people. So maybe we 72 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: start today's episode by looking at the facts first. This 73 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: concept disclosure, What is it exactly? How would you phrase it? Uh? 74 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: Simply the reveal of of classified information that the US 75 00:04:55,839 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: that the United States Government is in possession of, uh, 76 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:06,239 Speaker 1: typically as it relates to extraterrestrials having visited this earth. Okay, 77 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: So then this concept would be separate categorically from say, 78 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: proven events that were classified and later disclosed, like the 79 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: Tuskegee syphilis experiments, or say MK culture or something right. 80 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: I think typically when we in in the in the 81 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 1: Paranormal UFO Mysterious Universe talk about disclosure, we're talking about 82 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 1: something that hasn't happened yet and that many are looking 83 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: forward to and believe will happen one day. Yeah, disclosure 84 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: has been imminent since I've known about disclosure, and that's 85 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: been about fifteen years for me, since I like understood 86 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: what it meant. Also a great Michael Douglas Fleck. Yes, yeah, yeah, 87 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: I like that. You say it's always eternally imminent. It's 88 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: like Iran getting the bomb. It's like the Rapture or 89 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: the care Actors and Alice in Wonderland finally getting jam Right, 90 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: it's always on the cusp of occurring, but hasn't quite occurred. 91 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: To Matt, you said something really interesting, Uh, did I 92 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: for years? It's been imminent because listens specific number of years. Oh, well, 93 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: that's just since I've known about it. However, when I 94 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: when it first like popped on the radar, I was 95 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: still in I was still in high school, and I 96 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: was in two thousand one, and there was this this 97 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: big gathering at the National Press Club with all of 98 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 1: these people that were experts in their fields, most of 99 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 1: them from the military, ex military, retired gentlemen, and they 100 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: all came forward and gave their personal stories about experiencing 101 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: something that they considered a UFO that they believe was 102 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: probably in their opinion, of extraterrestrial origin. Some of them 103 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: was that the Stephen Greer event, That is the Stephen 104 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 1: Stephen Greer. Yeah, Dr Stephen Greer apologies. Yes, yes, we 105 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: interviewed on a previous episode. Yeah, and we we talked 106 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: about some of that at length. Um. That moment in 107 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: two thousand one is when I think a lot of 108 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: people really started understanding, oh my gosh, there is there 109 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: could be something here, because it gave such legitimacy to 110 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: it with the characters that were involved. And that kind 111 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: of thing has happened a few more times over the years, 112 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: and you know, it certainly feels like there might be 113 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: something if there's something happening soon, right or is it 114 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: just another series of examples showing us how effective resorting 115 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: to authoritative titles can be, you know what I mean? 116 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: That's the that's a Bernese tactic from the days of 117 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: your Just make something that sounds impurious enough. Have someone like, 118 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: for instance, if you heard some schmuck named Ben Bullen 119 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: said that it turns out bacon is bad for you, 120 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: or that gluten will cause you to grow webs between 121 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: your fingers. Then who's that guy? What the heck does 122 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: he know? But if it's like Dr Ben Bolan uh PhD, 123 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: the third whatever, you add these stylings on, you know, 124 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: and you had this association with these highly credible organizations, 125 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: then it becomes easier to accept whatever they say. I 126 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: don't know, I'm I think you're right in this instance, 127 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: in this specific instance, these were people with actual biographies, 128 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: with actual credentials, and you know, it wasn't just some guy, 129 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: it was actual people that you could look up. And 130 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: even even before then, there have been examples of disclosure 131 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: either happening or supposedly happening, or not happening when it 132 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: was expected. I mean, going back all the way to 133 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: Project blue Book, I'm really glad you mentioned it. Yeah. So, 134 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: Project Blue Book, which are sure is very familiar to 135 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 1: a lot of people. It was one of a larger 136 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: umbrella of studies launched by the US government, specifically the 137 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: military and Air Force, to investigate unidentified aerial phenomenons, not 138 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: necessarily craft, not necessarily an alien could have been anything 139 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: from a balloon to a strange cloud, to ball lightning 140 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: to weird lioking bird. But they spent years doing this 141 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: correct and they didn't identify everything. Started in fifty two 142 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: ended in sixty nine, and they came out and said afterwards, 143 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: don't worry about it. Nothing to see here after all 144 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: of our studying it. Basically it was swamp gas, right, 145 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: And there were some previous iterations of blue Book and 146 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: post iterations of it, but nothing was ever taken as 147 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: seriously as blue Book was. I don't at least not 148 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,599 Speaker 1: that um that I've ever found, not that's been disclosed. 149 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: Oh there we go. I think we I think we 150 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: earned that one at this point. Yeah. So blue Book 151 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: had thousands of reports that they sifted through, and in 152 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 1: the end most of them were somehow explained, at least 153 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: to their satisfaction. But they still didn't explain everything. And 154 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 1: that is a fact that would tantalize in the haunts 155 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: people who believe in the extraterrestrial origin of UFOs for 156 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: decades to come. Because again nine from what fifty two 157 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 1: to sixty nine you said, that's a long long time. 158 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: It makes you wonder if they weren't finding anything. If 159 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: everything was so worthless, then why did it continue for 160 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: so long? The same could be said for mk Ultra. 161 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: You know there there are there are so many projects 162 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: Stargate when they were looking at you know, um doing 163 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 1: Why did these things go on for decades if nothing 164 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: was coming of it? Yeah, well, I mean you've got 165 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: to spend that budget somehow so that you can get 166 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: that budget plus more next year. Welcome to our bureaucracy 167 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,079 Speaker 1: because otherwise that that is a true story, that that 168 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: is referring to a true, true phenomenon that occurs, right. 169 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: It's it's unfortunately a fact that in many cases, especially 170 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: in government organizations, if the entirety of a budget is 171 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: not spent by the end of the fiscal year, then 172 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: it will be cut to the amount that was spent. Yeah, 173 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: and you know, there we were talking about blue Book. 174 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: They said there was nothing to see here. There's a 175 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: more much more recent example, much more recent than the 176 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: Stephen Greer that they said there is something to see here. 177 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: And this was kind of mind boggling to me that 178 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: they that we found out about the black money project 179 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: on the side that the Pentagon had going on, the 180 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: Advanced Aviation Threat Identification or a HIP program headed by 181 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: Luis Elsando, and Luis left the program and then went 182 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: public with it, along with video that the Department of 183 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 1: Defense released from a two thousand four encounter UH near 184 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: San Diego of two Navy f A eight teens um 185 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: I don't want to say dueling, but um dancing with 186 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: an unknown object that was moving um, according to Alisando, 187 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: in ways that are not currently possible with anything that 188 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: we have in our inventory in the US or any 189 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: foreign inventory that we're aware of. Yeah. Yeah, And the 190 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: reason it's important to point out that these were two 191 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: pilots because they were using identical sensory systems that were 192 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: coming from different positions, and they were seeing things that 193 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 1: correlate both with their own eye witness experience, which as 194 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: we know, is relatively worthless a lot of times more importantly, 195 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: with their shoter systems. Yeah. There there's a lot of 196 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: signals intelligence that you're getting from that from that video, 197 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: and we actually interview Jeremy Corbell, one of the people 198 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: that was working to I guess disclose some of that 199 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:13,839 Speaker 1: stuff and get it out there. And if you are 200 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: interested in like learning that full story, you just look 201 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: up how the u S secretly tracked UFOs with Jeremy 202 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: Corbell and you can find that episode. Have you guys 203 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: ever done anything on Hysteria about that specific program? As 204 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: you know, in this world, a lot of different stories 205 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: and topics overlap and touch, and we've touched on it 206 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: on a few episodes. But we're actually, uh, in the 207 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: coming month or so, going to be released in a 208 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,599 Speaker 1: two parter on just generalized disclosure, and that will that 209 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: will certainly be part of it. Beautiful something to look 210 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: forward to, right, And what we were establishing here with 211 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: this rough timeline, this uh, this quick look at the 212 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: highlights of disclosure is that while it may sound like 213 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: a thing that occurred in the past or a matter 214 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: of all smoke no flame, the fact of the situation 215 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: is that this is continuing in some way today. Uh. 216 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: There will be people who tell you that disclosure as 217 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: a concept will ultimately only reveal advanced aircraft that are 218 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: entirely mundane and earth made, and that there just being 219 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: held back as a matter of national security. You'll also 220 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: hear people saying, uh, no, not only of extraterrestrials for 221 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: some reason landed on Earth and decided to keep it 222 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: a secret, but they're actually in charge of things, and 223 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: they figured the most direct way to break the news 224 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: to us would be a gradual program of showing us 225 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: various tropes in fiction. It's perfect sense. What I like 226 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: is how straightforward it is. Oh yeah, and uh and 227 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: having very popular musicians, right. Songs like track three off 228 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: of Blink one eight two's anemo of the state aliens exist. 229 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: You know, I'm clatch brought that up, Matt. This might 230 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: seem like a switch in conversation, but I think this 231 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: has been on our collective mind for a for some time. 232 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: But I don't know a whole lot about Blink one 233 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: eight two. Can you guys break it down for me? 234 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: I remember some of the songs. Where to start? So 235 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: three members of the band. Uh, there's Mark Hoppis, there's 236 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: the aforementioned Travis Barker, and then a former member his 237 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: name Tom DeLong. Oh he quit, he is no longer 238 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: a part of that's true. So he's he's left a 239 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: couple of times. Oh, he's left, and he's come he's returned. 240 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: Oh well, I guess success and fame can lead to 241 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: rocky relationships at times. So it's true. Many a band well, 242 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: and also crane plane crash is Travis Barker side note, 243 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: almost died in a plane crash, walked away from it. 244 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: He was one of the only two survivors. Fully smokes. 245 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: I had no idea. Yeah, he's the one who's covered 246 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: with tattoos, right, that's correct. Yes, the drummer unplugged. I am. 247 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: My knowledge of pop culture goes to about the late 248 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds. Yeah, well, the whole time DeLong leaving thing. 249 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: There are some stories about pain killer addiction that he 250 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: was probably going throughout the time. But he also you know, 251 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: he had a family and some of the other one 252 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: of the other members I think had a family, and 253 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: it was like that old, an age old story of 254 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: a band getting really big and touring all the time, 255 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: but then having a family and how do I spend 256 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: time with them and still be on tour making all 257 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: this ridiculous amount of money and they I've seen him 258 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: actually a few times when they were a fully formed band, 259 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: and yeah, I mean what a great band. Some of 260 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: some of the great I think you mentioned before, uh 261 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: you know pop punk, yeah, anthems of of their generation. Yeah, man, 262 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: very I mean, very catchy songwriting and when and well 263 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: written stuff of from my aware. One thing I did 264 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: learn about them off air was that I think the 265 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: guitarist Tom DeLong was replaced by a guitarist from the 266 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: Alcaline trio. If you remember them, is that when they 267 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: were playing in I know, they made like a supergroup 268 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: at some point. I think it was called forty four 269 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: or something to that effect. But there was a supergroup 270 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: after Tom left, and it was pretty awesome too. Oh 271 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: no that that that band was great. But I think 272 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: what Ben's talking about is literally they're touring as Blink 273 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: two minus Tom DeLong plus the guy from Alcohol. I 274 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: didn't know that they're literally playing riot Fest in Chicago 275 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: this coming uh fall, Holy mackerel, I didn't know that. 276 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 1: Are you gonna go? I go to write Fest every years, 277 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: my favorite concert festival. So why are we talking about 278 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: this guy so much? So some people may think, and 279 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 1: quite reasonably so, that we have taken one of our 280 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: long and not uncommon tangents into pop culture. However, that 281 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: is not entirely true. We're doing this for a reason. 282 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: So the next question is what do these two things 283 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,959 Speaker 1: Disclosure and Blink one a D two have in common? 284 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: Will tell you after a word from our sponsor. Here's 285 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 1: where it gets crazy. It turns out the disclosure in 286 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:36,719 Speaker 1: its most extreme form, that being the concept of extra 287 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: terrestrial contact with humanity, and the famous pop punk band 288 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: Blink one two do have a connection, a real one 289 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: of idle one that continues today. The uh the aforementioned 290 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: Tom DeLong ding ding hole in one John than you? 291 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: So what, what what happened? And how did Tom DeLong 292 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: become involved in this concept? Well? If, according to Tom, 293 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,479 Speaker 1: he's been interested and involved in this concept since he 294 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 1: was a small lad uh and uh and and and 295 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: was always looked to the heavens and wondered what was 296 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: out there. Then, as as Blink wanted to started touring 297 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: obviously this is pre um iPad or anything like that, 298 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: he needed a way to kill all the time in 299 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 1: the tour bus because they weren't flying anywhere yet. So 300 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: he read every alien UFO related conspiracy book that he 301 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: could lay his hands on, and that that thus began 302 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 1: his lifelong obsession with extraterrestrials and UFOs. Okay, so this 303 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: he's not a Johnny come lately. He has been heavily 304 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: invested in this. Yes, he read a lot, He read 305 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 1: a lot, a fan, a huge fan. I think one 306 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 1: one could say um an enthusiast, but he's an not 307 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 1: an expert, right, So like there's a difference between somebody 308 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 1: who in a field has been studying something like physics 309 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: and then you, you know, become a physics expert. With upology, 310 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 1: it's a little difficult, right, because you can really, I mean, 311 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: you can look to the heavens as much as you want, 312 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: try and take data as much as you can see 313 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: if you can have an experience of a UFO over 314 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,239 Speaker 1: time learn about it that way, or you can just 315 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: read the accounts of other people who have experienced UFOs 316 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: um or believed to have experienced UFOs. So it's difficult 317 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 1: to even become an expert in something like that. And 318 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: I don't mean to throw shade at Tom, it's just 319 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: he's he's an enthusiast, not expert. Well, there's a difficult 320 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: there's a difficult pickle there because there is no well 321 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 1: I don't want to spoil an idea for an upcoming episode, 322 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: but it's a great question. How does one become a ufologist? 323 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: Is there an accredited program at a school, Is there 324 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: as some sort of you know, apprenticeship to journeyman to master, 325 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: kind of tradition of education. The truth of the matter is, 326 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: at this point there's not one, at least not one 327 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: that everyone agrees upon. So therefore, the closest things to 328 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: a ufologist would be things like an astronomer, because that 329 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: sort of educational hierarchy exists, Or it would be as 330 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:33,959 Speaker 1: someone who is accepted by other people who consider themselves 331 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 1: upologists as one of their own. Yeah. I don't know. 332 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 1: I was reading the back of a comic book and 333 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,400 Speaker 1: for the low low price of two dollars, I could 334 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: send away for an accreditation. Yeah. Oh that's great, and 335 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: I think that's obviously universally UM accepted. So yeah, the 336 00:21:52,040 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 1: Universal Life UFO church also ordained, is not ordained. Got 337 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: a table full of ministers here, Hey, Paul, are you 338 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: ordained with the Church of Universal Life yet? Paul said no, Okay, 339 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 1: But I would say I think the closest thing would 340 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: be an aeronautics expert. Sure, someone someone who studies things 341 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: that fly around already or builds them, or you know, 342 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: knows the physics to a t about that stuff. Narrow 343 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 1: space engineer. I completely agree, and I think the root 344 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: of that like in all seriousness is having a science 345 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 1: backed approach to it um. So many are armshare experts 346 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:39,719 Speaker 1: that that do it from from a Google search, from 347 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: a Wikipedia search and then claim to be uthologists. It 348 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: takes a big thing that we like to talk about 349 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: on our show is are we applying in one way, shape, 350 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: or form the scientific method to this. Obviously a sighting 351 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 1: isn't repeatable, but there are other things that are repeatable 352 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: and and can we look through that prism um? And 353 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: I think to me, that's the closest I get to 354 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 1: looking at someone and saying, yeah, I like that title 355 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 1: for that person, right, Right, are the results reproducible? If so, 356 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: to what degree are we exercising which are the cs? 357 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: Are we exercising critical thinking or confirmation bias? Right? And 358 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: it's it's tough to see those because often, oddly enough, 359 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: in the heat of the moment or in the heat 360 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: of a passionate belief, people will conflate the two. Right, 361 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 1: So if person A doesn't agree with person bes confirmation bias, 362 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 1: then the person be person A is not executing critical 363 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: thinking because of course it's true open your eyes people, people, yeah, 364 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:48,199 Speaker 1: which I know sounds a little bit m hmm, A 365 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: little bit dismissive on my part, but I think it's 366 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,360 Speaker 1: important for us to say that, And it's also important 367 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: for us to note that Tom DeLong has not just been, 368 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: you know, occasionally popping off at interviews saying I quit 369 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: blink one two because I'm interested in reading about something. 370 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: He has, to his credit, uh, put his money where 371 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: his mouth is, as the old saying goes. And he's 372 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 1: not just reading books. He is act He's become an 373 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: activist by his own account, and according to numerous statements, 374 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: he is actually following through with activism. But in what way, 375 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 1: like what specifically sticks out for us as far as 376 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: what he has done well, just like we're talking about 377 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: with with experts and bringing back to that ben, he 378 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: he has surrounded himself by a group of what he 379 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: calls his core team and created a brand new company 380 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: called to the Stars Academy of Arts and Sciences, which 381 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: you know, I saw your face John when lit'ten tell 382 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: tell a little bit about that, just your face in general. Yeah, 383 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 1: So it's very and it's it's interesting no matter where 384 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: you fall on it. It's interesting. Um basically, uh to 385 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: try to I mean, I could read you the entire 386 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: mission statement of to the Stars Academy. But everybody would 387 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 1: tune out, Um, I think to to take it down 388 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: to brass tacks through um various pop culture they will produce, 389 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: whether it be books, TV series, movies. They were going 390 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: to be begin the slow process of disclosure, only you're 391 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: not going to realize it because this will be done 392 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 1: through fiction. For instance, his first book that's already been released, 393 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 1: Secret Machines with a K with a k um. Lots 394 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 1: of hidden meaning there. Uh, he would he would tell you, um. 395 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: And but they were going to tell real stories through 396 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: these fictional avenues and uh and then and then throughout 397 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: that process, s will also via social media, UM be 398 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: releasing pieces of information, documents, videos that also help correspond 399 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 1: with the disclosure. So basically he's saying, Hey, we're going 400 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: to fool you until you actually understand the truth, but 401 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you beforehand that we're going to fool you. Yeah, 402 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: it's a very um bizarre. I wouldn't exactly say straightforward 403 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: way to go about. Yeah, it's interesting. And as as 404 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 1: you said, John, anyone can read their mission statement in full. 405 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: The common threads through their mission statement are the following 406 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: The first is the belief that there is some greater 407 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: truth and that it is extraterrestrial in nature, rather than 408 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 1: an unidentified mundane uh construction of earth lings, or rather 409 00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: than an existing but weird natural phenomenon. They're saying us 410 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: aliens will tell you by fooling you. And the second 411 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: thing is the huge, huge certitude that the primary reason 412 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: this information has not been revealed to the public falls 413 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 1: on the shoulders of the government, if not through malevolence, 414 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:24,919 Speaker 1: through incompetence in terms of prioritization and bureaucracy a k a. 415 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: Red tape. He but he does make a point to 416 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 1: let everyone know that while bureaucracy exists, there is a 417 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: reason that it has not been disclosed to us yet, 418 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: and when we find out, we're basically all going to 419 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: fall on our knees and thank them for having not 420 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 1: told us sooner. Yeah, the government is doing a greater 421 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: good for us. Yeah. Yeah, that's that is an interesting 422 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: angle too, because that's an uncommon, very angle. Right, So, 423 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: so how did you figure that out? How did how 424 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: did Tom DeLong guitarists, famous filthy rich guitarist figure out that? Well, 425 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: for I do want to point out one thing we 426 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: keep saying UFOs um oh, he hates that. He hates 427 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: that term. They are advanced aerial threats a t S. Yes, 428 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 1: and also that while extraterrestrials have been here, um, some 429 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: of our reports are things basically using their technology, we 430 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: have built our own a T S. For instance, Roswell 431 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: was constructed here on Earth by humans, the CD by Germans, correct, yes, 432 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: by Germans, thank you, um. And but with that was 433 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: us using their technology. But the way he found out 434 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: about it was as he was looking into this and 435 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: doing all of his reading, he started writing secret machines 436 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: and some some deep throat type characters reached out to 437 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: him while he's touring, like during the major parts of 438 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: Link two is touring World, they reached out to him 439 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: and said, we need to meet, and it's going to 440 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: be very cloak and dagger. I believe. One of the 441 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: quotes was let's meet by the Pentagon. That's very Hey, 442 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: isn't that the world's largest office building? I believe, Yeah, 443 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: these I don't know. It's just it feels like it 444 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: would be difficult to just go there and see who's 445 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: standing by it? Well, and which which side do you 446 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: go by? Google drive me by the Pentagon. I don't 447 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: think it'll take you very far. But but yes, so 448 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: this this is all true. He said that it was, 449 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 1: as you described, very cloak and dagger. In fact, I 450 00:29:55,400 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: believe he doesn't have or cannot give many more specifics. Yeah, 451 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: it's kind of a classic story that we've heard from 452 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: several other people who have this kind of thing. Um, 453 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: especially when there's a book for sale where you can't 454 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: disclose specifics about a certain secret knowledge that you have 455 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: that is somewhat contained in your book, but you've got 456 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: to buy it before you can know it. Um. It 457 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: works well together that way. Yeah. And you know, I 458 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: don't wanna, I don't want to go there quite yet, 459 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: but that that's a kind of a trend we might 460 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: see a little bit later on. But um. He did 461 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: say that he ended up taking high level meetings all 462 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: around Washington, d C. With all kinds of different people. 463 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: He ended up meeting with generals that he would say, yes, 464 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: it's a general, um, but he would not mention specifics 465 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: to protect himself and these individuals that he's talking to, 466 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: is what he stated. He ended up having a two 467 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: hour meeting at NASA's Aims Research Center, where he was 468 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: introduced to another person. So he's kind of ping ponging 469 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: back and forth between all these different people who are 470 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: each connecting him up with somebody else. So moving through 471 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: a relatively obscure network. Yes, which is a very similar 472 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: story to what Stephen Greer told us, is how he 473 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: ended up getting into a lot of this stuff, you know, 474 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: as a medical professional, than all of a sudden, you know, 475 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: becoming one of the most well known upologists out there. 476 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: And and a theme to Tom's story is that as 477 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: he gets these introductions and has these meetings, he goes 478 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: down deeper down the rabbit hole, meaning he says something 479 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: and that leads him to be contacted by somebody even 480 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: more secret and uh and when asked on on Joe 481 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: Rogan's podcast, when asked well why why why, like, what 482 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: were you saying that was so intriguing to them, and 483 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: he goes, well, I just put it all together from 484 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: all that reading I was telling you guys about, I 485 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: just put it all together. I I saw how the 486 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: pieces all fit together. So basically, he read a bunch 487 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: of Jim Mars books and somehow did the did the 488 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: whole writing on the window thing, and and and poof 489 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: got the whole view of the UFO phenomenon on this earth, 490 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: had a larger vision correct And maybe from that perspective, 491 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: if we were to take that at face value, the 492 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: argument is like that old anecdote of the elephant. Right, 493 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: people are identifying various parts of the animal I think 494 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: we talked about in some preview shows. And someone touches leg, 495 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: they think it's a tree that they found. Someone touches 496 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: the nose, they think it's a snake. And in this analogy, 497 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: Tom DeLong is the first one to say, holy smokes, 498 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: that's an elephant. Well, and you might think to yourself, 499 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: come on, that's ridiculous. You might also think to yourself, 500 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: oh yeah, exactly, just depending on what you know, where 501 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: your belief system is currently. Um, you know, it's easy 502 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: to kind of poke fun at I guess in a way, 503 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: but there perhaps there is a world in which a 504 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: single individual put the right pieces together in some way 505 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: that an intelligence official somewhere decided, oh wow, maybe maybe 506 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: this guy, maybe we need to control this guy, or 507 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: maybe we need to talk to this guy, or maybe 508 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: there's some way we can use him. Um, because there's 509 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 1: a weird thing that happened. John, Do you from that 510 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: Joe Rogan interview, do you remember like one of the 511 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 1: major things he said, Yeah, after having had after having 512 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: had some of those classified meetings, he was at an 513 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: airport and a a gentleman in in I guess you know, 514 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: kind of typical black trench coat type garb sat down 515 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: next to him and said, we need to talk, okay, um, 516 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: and basically goes on to tell him that during the 517 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: Cold War, we literally we being the United States, got 518 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: an extraterrestrial body. And he goes on to to tell 519 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: Tom that story, and I think that's actually where Tom said, Um, well, 520 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 1: the reason they they pay to me is because I 521 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 1: saw the forest through the tree and would would understand 522 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 1: and and be able to process all of this. So 523 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 1: they found living evidence of an extra terrestrial organism of 524 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: life form. And then again, this is a conversation in 525 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 1: public in an airport, and the unidentified man follows up 526 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 1: to right, he doesn't just tell Tom this kind of 527 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: confirmation of this discovery. He takes it a step further, right, Yeah, 528 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: Allegedly the man asked him what he needs, like, what 529 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: do you need Son to to do whatever it is 530 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,839 Speaker 1: you're trying to do, and Tom replied, well, I need advisors. 531 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: Takes a village, right, yes, And boy howdy did he 532 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: get some advisors. Uh, there's a long list of people. 533 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,399 Speaker 1: We can hit some of the major players, I guess. Well. 534 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 1: Tom goes on to say that one of the people 535 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 1: that he started conversations with with John Podesta, who was 536 00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: a former advisor to President President Clinton. Um and and 537 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 1: then also campaign head for Hillary Clinton. He also worked 538 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: with the Obama administration and uh, and then and then 539 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 1: you know he mentioned generals earlier. Here's here's a strange 540 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: side note to that. When the Wicked Leaks documents came out, 541 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 1: part of those were a bunch of emails from various 542 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 1: sides and parts of the government, and it proved that 543 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 1: he actually had been communicating at length with John Podesta 544 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: about UFOs and he had also been communicating with Major 545 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: General William McCasland, uh, who is the commander of the 546 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 1: Air Force Research Laboratory at Wright Patterson, which and that's 547 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: a big deal. That's that's like a big deal, right, 548 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: and who who obviously is going to have access to 549 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 1: highly classified technologies and things like that. So when you're 550 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 1: just about ready to dismiss this story. You read these 551 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: emails and you go, huh, And it's very important to 552 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: note this, this stuff all happens before we learn about 553 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: the Pentagon program, before it's publicly disclosed, before it's publicly disposed. Correct. Wow, 554 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: So he is promoting his book concurrently while he is 555 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 1: while he is having these email exchanges with people that, 556 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 1: to his credit, I believe he did not identify this 557 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: Wiki leaks thing, essentially identified it. Right. So when we 558 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: have when we have Tom DeLong around this time period 559 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: promoting his book and emailing Podesta, emailing at least one 560 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 1: general that we know of, we also have, by his 561 00:36:54,719 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 1: own account, a weird uh, weird experience or in a 562 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 1: hotel room. Oh yeah, this is another thing from the 563 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:09,800 Speaker 1: Rogan interview. He allegedly got interrogated. Oh the interrogation, Yeah, yeah, 564 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,319 Speaker 1: on this subject by what what he claims were I 565 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,359 Speaker 1: guess CIA agents of some sort or intelligence agents of 566 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,320 Speaker 1: some sort. And he just got grilled for a couple 567 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 1: of days, I think is what his statement was. Really 568 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: he he kind of resets the way he uh, he 569 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 1: terms the whole thing. At first he said, yeah, they 570 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 1: had me there for two days and then they go 571 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 1: on too well. I mean, of course I got to 572 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 1: leave at night. Yeah, so it wasn't exactly. Um, it 573 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 1: wasn't exactly. You know, here's the glass of water in 574 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 1: the swinging light in front of you. Tell us what 575 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,719 Speaker 1: you know it was. Let's just have a long form 576 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,279 Speaker 1: conversation for a couple of day. I mean, I've been 577 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: to conferences worse than that. Yeah, it's true, that's true. 578 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: But they were. They did keep him for two days, 579 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,799 Speaker 1: uh and and asking him and he said they asked 580 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 1: him questions like, um, how do you know what you know? 581 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 1: And I can't tell you that That would be his 582 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 1: response to them. And he also did not or could 583 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 1: not identify these people or the agency from which they 584 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 1: claimed to originally. But along the way, Tom DeLong, it's 585 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,839 Speaker 1: still Tom DeLong, and he's still getting some kind of 586 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 1: information that is in some way secretive, Like he's just 587 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,319 Speaker 1: this whole path time they're giving him something. And just 588 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,839 Speaker 1: to reset, we're talking about the guitarist for Blink one two. Yeah, 589 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 1: I'm just saying that's true. That's true. Why are these 590 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 1: people giving him this information? Why are they if it's 591 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,759 Speaker 1: a giant wild goose chase that they're just kind of 592 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,320 Speaker 1: sending him down. Is it for funzies? Is it? Because 593 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,719 Speaker 1: each one of these high level people was like, dude, 594 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 1: the guy from Blake one eighty two showed up in 595 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 1: my office and he talked to me for a while. 596 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 1: Do you want to meet him? He really wants to 597 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:55,800 Speaker 1: talk to you. And everybody's like, yeah, I want to 598 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,839 Speaker 1: meet the dude from Blink one eight two, Send him 599 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,920 Speaker 1: down this way. John Podesta is like, bro, hooked me up. 600 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,280 Speaker 1: I want to meet this guy. Is that what's happening 601 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 1: or is there something else going on here? Do you 602 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,440 Speaker 1: think you could do an acoustic set for us? Well, well, 603 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 1: you can meet him and you can get him to 604 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 1: sign something, but the main thing is you have to 605 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 1: you have you're in is to talk about UFOs. These 606 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,319 Speaker 1: heads of the D, O, D and C. I A yeah, 607 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,239 Speaker 1: oh man, my kid would love it. Meanwhile, the kid 608 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:32,920 Speaker 1: is probably forty. But right, so this is mystifying because 609 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 1: you can see already where there are missing pieces of 610 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 1: the jigsaw puzzle and where the various claims about those 611 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,759 Speaker 1: missing pieces come into play. Right, is is it a 612 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:51,520 Speaker 1: matter of necessary secrecy? As DeLong and the other UH 613 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,440 Speaker 1: to the Stars staff would say, or is it a 614 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 1: matter of flim flam as many of the skeptics would say. 615 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 1: Will explore this further after a brief word from our sponsors, 616 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:14,439 Speaker 1: assuming we don't also get black bagged during the break. 617 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 1: You guys, we made it were he go team, We're 618 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 1: still here, Okay, So let's jump right into this. According 619 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 1: to Tom, the reason why he's been privy to this 620 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,360 Speaker 1: information and get in contact with all of these people 621 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,720 Speaker 1: is because he is providing them all of these various 622 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:34,560 Speaker 1: government organizations, these intelligence agencies. He's providing them with a service, 623 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:41,799 Speaker 1: specifically communication, a platform through which they can talk to 624 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,400 Speaker 1: the American people. And I suppose, uh, not so scary 625 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 1: of a way and where people, um let's say, of 626 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,879 Speaker 1: our age younger will pay attention. So basically, he's saying 627 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:57,240 Speaker 1: he has access to people that they don't have. That's 628 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 1: that's exactly That's exactly what he's saying at least, and 629 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 1: I will respond on behalf of the various government programs 630 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:11,400 Speaker 1: that have existed since before the CIA that have effectively 631 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:16,360 Speaker 1: leveraged mass media in all forms to gain support for 632 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 1: otherwise controversial objectives like wars. We're talking about propaganda events. Yeah, 633 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:27,920 Speaker 1: that's why it's just okay. It is incredibly easy to 634 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 1: understand how someone could be skeptical about that claim, simply 635 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:39,800 Speaker 1: because there is a preponderance of pre existing evidence indicating 636 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,720 Speaker 1: that if Uncle Sam wants to approach the American public 637 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:49,520 Speaker 1: through controlled media and through unacknowledged control of that media, 638 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:55,359 Speaker 1: not only is that a possibility, it's happened. It's it's 639 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 1: like it's a thing they can already do. It's kind 640 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:04,360 Speaker 1: of like saying, for factory approached me because I know 641 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,040 Speaker 1: a place where I can buy tires, you know what 642 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,359 Speaker 1: I mean. It doesn't quite even out, though. I will 643 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,759 Speaker 1: say if planes start going overhead dropping leaflets with Tom 644 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,920 Speaker 1: Delong's face on them, I give up at that point, 645 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 1: just go prone and wait. Yeah. The first way, which 646 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,800 Speaker 1: in which he said he's taking or took the first step, 647 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,320 Speaker 1: was writing the book Secret Machines Part one. Yeah, this 648 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:35,239 Speaker 1: series I read it, No, which one the gods or no? 649 00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:40,880 Speaker 1: Chasing Yeah? Is Chasing Shadow? Yeah? Chasing shadows? Yeah? What 650 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:48,440 Speaker 1: what'sh your take? Man? There are examples throughout history, recent 651 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:53,840 Speaker 1: history of books, and also just people that try to 652 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:59,080 Speaker 1: tie all of the conspiracy theories, all of the mysteries 653 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:03,960 Speaker 1: together into kind of one uniform. A bad example is 654 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,799 Speaker 1: Bill Cooper with Behold a Pale Horse? That was super conspiracy. 655 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,799 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean that's a real bad example, kind 656 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,440 Speaker 1: of a bad dude. But there's lots of examples of it, 657 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,520 Speaker 1: and he goes for it here. I mean just a 658 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,399 Speaker 1: few of the topics that are covered in the book, 659 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:23,440 Speaker 1: food fighters, not the band. Speaking of bands, um uh 660 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 1: de Glaca. The Bell, Yeah, all about the bell. The 661 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,200 Speaker 1: bell is in there, So I'm assuming, based on what 662 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,560 Speaker 1: Tom's told us, he must be saying that that's real. 663 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,279 Speaker 1: Um also side note on his terry. Fifty one were 664 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,719 Speaker 1: experts on the bell. We did a show on it, 665 00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:44,719 Speaker 1: and the Daily Express in uh in England wrote an 666 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,160 Speaker 1: entire article about the bell, citing us as the experts. Nice. 667 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, boy, you guys need better, but I mean 668 00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:56,920 Speaker 1: it is tabloid. Can you hook us up? Look, I promise, 669 00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:02,080 Speaker 1: other than this show and the millions of people who 670 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:06,239 Speaker 1: have heard it, this will stay just between us. Just 671 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 1: take us to the bell. We want to see it. 672 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,200 Speaker 1: I'll make a phone call, but I gotta go to 673 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,520 Speaker 1: a Chili's at an airport to have the conversation, so 674 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:21,080 Speaker 1: it might take a while. So so he's hatching a 675 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:25,680 Speaker 1: metic conspiracy. Oh yeah, cigar shaped UFOs Area fifty one. 676 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:30,000 Speaker 1: UFOs are there, talks all about Operation paper Clip, talks 677 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:35,200 Speaker 1: about uh metal not from this world that is foldable 678 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:40,480 Speaker 1: but also indestructible. I mean even even the Nazi escapes 679 00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,640 Speaker 1: to Argentina, which to content extent have been proven, but 680 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,879 Speaker 1: on a on a much more mass scale. I mean, 681 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:52,359 Speaker 1: he hits it all. Um. So yeah, he's he's all 682 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,960 Speaker 1: in on all conspiracies and they all tie in in 683 00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:56,799 Speaker 1: this book. And that was the That was the really 684 00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,560 Speaker 1: interesting thing to me about the book. I kind of 685 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,839 Speaker 1: thought that he would go with one theme and just 686 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:07,000 Speaker 1: drive it home. You know, Um, what happened at Roswell 687 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,800 Speaker 1: was a real thing? Or Area fifty one, they really 688 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,239 Speaker 1: are doing stuff like that there and just and and 689 00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,319 Speaker 1: then just take seven pages, which it is um to 690 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,680 Speaker 1: form the story around that. But I was completely wrong. 691 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,839 Speaker 1: He just goes all in the deep end. How's it structured? Yeah, 692 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:31,920 Speaker 1: it's like a typical UM mystery action book. There are 693 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,680 Speaker 1: there are characters and they don't know what's going on. 694 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,680 Speaker 1: There's a there's a member of the United States Air 695 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,799 Speaker 1: Force who has something happened, Um, in the sky that 696 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,600 Speaker 1: he can't explain, and all of a sudden, the CIA 697 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,200 Speaker 1: comes and recruits him to work for them, and he 698 00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,120 Speaker 1: gets taken to Area fifty one. Uh. There is a 699 00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,720 Speaker 1: woman who is a debunker and has a website debunking things, 700 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:59,240 Speaker 1: and she sent a mysterious package. There's a there. There's 701 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:03,319 Speaker 1: a dog under of a financial magnate who he dies 702 00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,239 Speaker 1: under mysterious circumstances and she tries to figure out what's 703 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:10,920 Speaker 1: going on. His alleged suicide wasn't really a suicide, so 704 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,960 Speaker 1: they really do that. It's it's a it's a fictional book. 705 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,040 Speaker 1: It's a fun read. I I have no problem with 706 00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,960 Speaker 1: the book. It's what's implied behind the book, but the 707 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:23,200 Speaker 1: book itself is enjoyable. It sounds like multi platform I 708 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:27,920 Speaker 1: P yes, and you said it's a You said it's 709 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,120 Speaker 1: a series, right, yeah. I think the second one is 710 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,400 Speaker 1: not out yet, but coming out this year. A Fire 711 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:40,120 Speaker 1: Within Secret Machines A Fire Within interesting, so the and 712 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,640 Speaker 1: just really fast. There's another one called God's Secret Machines 713 00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:47,200 Speaker 1: God's colin Volume one of God's Man in War, which 714 00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,239 Speaker 1: is kind of an introduction to the whole series. Apparently, 715 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:54,120 Speaker 1: So Secret machines is its own universe, right, It's being 716 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,080 Speaker 1: created that way. I started in the wrong place, man, No, 717 00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,000 Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know. I honestly have not read 718 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,480 Speaker 1: any of it. I was just looking at the Simon 719 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,879 Speaker 1: and Schuster website, and that's what we were talking about. 720 00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:08,359 Speaker 1: That one one thing that is always in the front 721 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,799 Speaker 1: of my mind when I read medic conspiracies. That's that's 722 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,960 Speaker 1: just a made up term for any book that or 723 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:20,200 Speaker 1: any belief system that tries to combine three or more 724 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:25,040 Speaker 1: of what we call single conspiracies. So one of the 725 00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:26,799 Speaker 1: big questions I always have when I read one of 726 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,239 Speaker 1: those books like Behold a Pale Horse, which I think 727 00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:33,239 Speaker 1: you mentioned Cooper earlier, is how the hell are you 728 00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,719 Speaker 1: going to pull off a sequel? You know what I mean? Like? 729 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,799 Speaker 1: What else are you going to take? David Ike is 730 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:44,359 Speaker 1: masterful at that. I don't know how he does it, 731 00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,080 Speaker 1: or what spreadsheet he uses, or how he keeps track 732 00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,239 Speaker 1: of the things that he is adding in with successive 733 00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:56,880 Speaker 1: books or re examining. But I'm already very interested to 734 00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:02,799 Speaker 1: learn what else comes up in a fire within. And 735 00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,920 Speaker 1: as as you said, these are works of fiction, but 736 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:12,640 Speaker 1: they are by the admission of the co author, Tom DeLong, 737 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:17,800 Speaker 1: they are meant to serve as a doorway, a gentle 738 00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:22,640 Speaker 1: introduction to something that he believes in his colleagues, we 739 00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:27,359 Speaker 1: would assume believe is absolutely true. In fact, the when 740 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,520 Speaker 1: The l A Weekly interviewed him, they asked him a 741 00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:34,200 Speaker 1: pretty simple question, what makes Secret Machines different from other 742 00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:38,320 Speaker 1: works of uf upology, and de Lunk said, there won't 743 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:42,480 Speaker 1: be any disinformation in my project because I'm talking to 744 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,720 Speaker 1: very high level people that cannot be identified. That cannot 745 00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,399 Speaker 1: be identified, well, some of them can, because we can 746 00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,960 Speaker 1: only assume that he was working with a lot of 747 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,920 Speaker 1: the people that ended up on the core team of 748 00:48:55,120 --> 00:49:00,160 Speaker 1: To the Stars Academy, which includes Tom Delone, the chairman 749 00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,280 Speaker 1: of the board. Right, and he's not on the academy, 750 00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,279 Speaker 1: but he was also working with we should say, his 751 00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,640 Speaker 1: co writer A. J. Hartley, Yes, to write both both 752 00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,200 Speaker 1: versions of Secret Machines. And then there's another author who 753 00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,880 Speaker 1: did the the other the third book. So who's on 754 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:18,120 Speaker 1: this core team to the Stars Academy. It's not just him, right? Oh? Yeah. 755 00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:22,120 Speaker 1: The VP Vice President of Operations is a retired CIA 756 00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:26,120 Speaker 1: officer and member of the Senior Intelligence Service named Jim 757 00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,800 Speaker 1: Semivan s E. M I V A N. You can 758 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,600 Speaker 1: look him up a little bit. There's a little you 759 00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,399 Speaker 1: can learn about him has as he's had a long 760 00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,520 Speaker 1: career as a spy and now he's the VP of 761 00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:41,919 Speaker 1: Operations at this company. Another really interesting guy's named Steve Justice, which, 762 00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:46,160 Speaker 1: by the way, awesome name. He's part of the Aerospace division. 763 00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,000 Speaker 1: He was the director for Advanced Systems at Lockheed Martin 764 00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:54,239 Speaker 1: in their Advanced system development programs. Uh. That's also known 765 00:49:54,280 --> 00:50:00,720 Speaker 1: as skunk Works. That's the legit UFO stuff. That's the guy, yeah, 766 00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:02,880 Speaker 1: which is which is amazing because you would have to 767 00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:07,799 Speaker 1: one would have to imagine right that his his bar 768 00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,160 Speaker 1: for what he considers worthwhile in this field must be 769 00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:18,040 Speaker 1: extraordinarily high, one would hope. And this is unless this 770 00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,400 Speaker 1: is like a retirement option, like I'm just gonna have 771 00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,719 Speaker 1: some fun over there to the Stars Academy, right right, 772 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,680 Speaker 1: or make some money. The other guy that I'm I 773 00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,480 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier Luis Alsando, who was the who was the 774 00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,239 Speaker 1: head of the A TIP program, the Secret Program and 775 00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,719 Speaker 1: the Pentagon. Uh. He's he's now part of the Two 776 00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,080 Speaker 1: Stars Academy as well. He's the director of Global Security 777 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,080 Speaker 1: and special programs. Yeah, and he has a massive, like 778 00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:48,480 Speaker 1: you said, background in human intelligence, counter intelligence. I mean, 779 00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,000 Speaker 1: when you work for the d O D in that way, 780 00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,040 Speaker 1: it's and you're at that high level. I'm interested to 781 00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:58,120 Speaker 1: know how much his job is some kind of I 782 00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,239 Speaker 1: don't know, mole in a way for you know, for 783 00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:05,279 Speaker 1: intelligence agencies, just to see what this group is doing. Yeah, 784 00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:09,399 Speaker 1: that's That's one of the unanswered questions always pops up, 785 00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:14,040 Speaker 1: or it's never answered to people's satisfaction, which is, is 786 00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:19,160 Speaker 1: there a threshold of authority within the government, a threshold 787 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,840 Speaker 1: of position after which you never really quit or retire 788 00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,120 Speaker 1: right like? It doesn't you know. An easy example would 789 00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:30,680 Speaker 1: be the president of the US. Once you're in there, 790 00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,359 Speaker 1: whether it's for four years or eight, for the rest 791 00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,759 Speaker 1: of your life, no matter how long or short it is, 792 00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,239 Speaker 1: your opinion still counts for a massive It doesn't even 793 00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,680 Speaker 1: matter what you're talking about. You could go you could 794 00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,759 Speaker 1: go on Twitter and say Burger King is the best one. 795 00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:50,000 Speaker 1: People wouldn't even ask what you mean, what would you like? 796 00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,479 Speaker 1: Are you talking fast food? Are you talking burgers? It's 797 00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,640 Speaker 1: weird because you never really retire at that level. So 798 00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:58,800 Speaker 1: one of the questions is and I think this is 799 00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:04,040 Speaker 1: what you're getting at to Matt, Like, is Alizondo retired? Ye? Canny? 800 00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:08,319 Speaker 1: Could he retire now? He says, According to him, he 801 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:12,319 Speaker 1: left the Pentagon because there are real threats out there 802 00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:16,080 Speaker 1: that need to be investigated and they are unwilling to 803 00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:20,200 Speaker 1: do so. Which, um, at least part of that smacks 804 00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,120 Speaker 1: of true. When you hear that that that project, the 805 00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,920 Speaker 1: eight Tip project, had a twenty two million dollar budget 806 00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,520 Speaker 1: over the course of what was it, seven years? That 807 00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,719 Speaker 1: is that's like the toilet paper budget at the Pentagon, Like, 808 00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,200 Speaker 1: that is a very small amount of money. And forty 809 00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,120 Speaker 1: billion or fifty billion did they get a year on 810 00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:44,759 Speaker 1: the books? Um? My only wish for Alizondo. I've seen 811 00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,560 Speaker 1: him on numerous interviews. You can go find them on 812 00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,560 Speaker 1: YouTube right now. Don't talk about his facial hair. It's 813 00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:54,520 Speaker 1: it's so weird. It just it takes away from his credibility. 814 00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,280 Speaker 1: It just he looks like a guy that would believe 815 00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:02,359 Speaker 1: this stuff, but he also has I don't know, there's 816 00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,160 Speaker 1: a there's a certain badassary about it too. But I 817 00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:09,200 Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. John I my my co 818 00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,680 Speaker 1: host on our show. When we've mentioned that he also 819 00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:15,879 Speaker 1: disagreed with me. Could you all describe his hair? For 820 00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,919 Speaker 1: anybody who hasn't hasn't seen a photo of it, there's 821 00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,080 Speaker 1: a YouTube video you can watch on the to the 822 00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:26,600 Speaker 1: Stars YouTube Academy site. We just recommend you watch that. 823 00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,520 Speaker 1: It's very short. It's an introduction to him as a character, 824 00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,080 Speaker 1: and you get to see it in its full glory. 825 00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,040 Speaker 1: Maybe the best way to put it. I want to 826 00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:39,040 Speaker 1: see if you agree, um, guy Fierti. Only it's gray 827 00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:43,680 Speaker 1: with a soul patch. Oh wow, I can totally see that. 828 00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:48,840 Speaker 1: Did he have frosted tips? Though I can't remember. I 829 00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:52,719 Speaker 1: don't think. I think it was great, but I think 830 00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,400 Speaker 1: the soul patch part is what is that? What's throwing 831 00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,560 Speaker 1: you off? I think so? Yeah? Well, we we know 832 00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,480 Speaker 1: though that he does have his nafis. Yeah, and we 833 00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,440 Speaker 1: haven't even talked about the most fascinating character yet. In 834 00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,920 Speaker 1: my opinion, who's that? That is? Dr? How put off? 835 00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,879 Speaker 1: Is it pullfull off? I thought it was put off, 836 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:18,840 Speaker 1: but I assumed it's Dr how put off. He's the 837 00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,880 Speaker 1: vice president of science and technology. And do you guys 838 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:27,720 Speaker 1: know anything about this dude? Uh? Just the bare bones. 839 00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,759 Speaker 1: But I think I know which parts of the skeleton 840 00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:36,360 Speaker 1: you're going to unearth. Well, okay, here's the here the facts. Uh. 841 00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:40,520 Speaker 1: He has a PhD in electrical engineering from Stanford University 842 00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:44,440 Speaker 1: in California. That's the Stanford with accolades, one of the 843 00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,680 Speaker 1: top schools in the United States and probably the world. Um. 844 00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:52,040 Speaker 1: In the nineties, sixties and seventies, he reached OT level 845 00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:56,920 Speaker 1: seven inside the Church of Scientology. Um he did. He 846 00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,719 Speaker 1: end up leaving the church in the late seventies. Um, 847 00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,319 Speaker 1: he acquired a lot of Thetan's he did, and one 848 00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:07,520 Speaker 1: of the things that he alleges he learned technically he's 849 00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:12,400 Speaker 1: cleaning his theten's out. Oh yeah, you know, okay, sure, 850 00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,920 Speaker 1: can I say that on air? Yeah, that was too 851 00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,000 Speaker 1: much of a spoiler. But he did leave the church. 852 00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:20,680 Speaker 1: But one of the things he says that he learned 853 00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,719 Speaker 1: how to do whilst, you know, going through the programs 854 00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:27,359 Speaker 1: there was how to remote view and what remote viewing 855 00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:31,160 Speaker 1: is and how to achieve it. And then that helped 856 00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,839 Speaker 1: him work in the seventies and eighties on a little 857 00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:39,480 Speaker 1: thing that we mentioned earlier called Project Stargate, where you 858 00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,920 Speaker 1: know that was the Central and Defense Intelligence agencies attempts 859 00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:46,959 Speaker 1: to prove that psychic powers or paranormal powers of some 860 00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:51,480 Speaker 1: form or another could be used for national security. And 861 00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,239 Speaker 1: we've we've got a whole episode on that. We've talked 862 00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,080 Speaker 1: about it before. Fascinating stuff. The men who stare at goats. 863 00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:01,520 Speaker 1: It's worth it, check it out. Really just fascinating. Um. 864 00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,040 Speaker 1: But yeah, so he was a pioneer in these techniques 865 00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,400 Speaker 1: that Project star Get used for remote viewing, and he 866 00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:10,399 Speaker 1: looked at Uri Geller and Specifics and a couple other 867 00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:14,360 Speaker 1: guys who he and his colleagues truly believed had psychic 868 00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:18,560 Speaker 1: powers of some sort. Was one of the other. Yeah, 869 00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:23,520 Speaker 1: you're right. Um. He also founded the Institute for Advanced 870 00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:28,520 Speaker 1: Studies at Austin as well as earth Tech International Incorporated, 871 00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:32,400 Speaker 1: which have now formed one single thing. And the mission 872 00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,920 Speaker 1: statement there is short enough for me to read in verbatim, 873 00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:38,640 Speaker 1: So it says shaping the future by innovating breakthroughs that 874 00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:43,400 Speaker 1: inspire new modes of space transportation and new sources of energy. 875 00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:48,200 Speaker 1: So again, a lot of the similar things that the 876 00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,960 Speaker 1: the Academy is trying to achieve. So they were good 877 00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,920 Speaker 1: bedfellows from the get go, absolutely, But yeah, they're perfect 878 00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,399 Speaker 1: bedfellows because this is a guy who believes you can 879 00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,920 Speaker 1: truly remote view who you know, they're their esp and 880 00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,719 Speaker 1: other powers probably and they can be applied, or at 881 00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:08,000 Speaker 1: least believes in research. It believes there's enough indication the 882 00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,040 Speaker 1: careful what you say, though he might be watching right 883 00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:16,560 Speaker 1: now absolutely shutting us down in a closet somewhere. Boy, 884 00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:19,120 Speaker 1: it's a long table. Um. There are a lot of 885 00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,840 Speaker 1: looks like a spider maybe with the ends are puffy 886 00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:27,120 Speaker 1: and they're talking into them right now. You know. There 887 00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:32,320 Speaker 1: there's very fascinating argument there, which is that if something 888 00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:37,680 Speaker 1: like that were to exist, then of course you would 889 00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,000 Speaker 1: want it to be discredited. Because if if there was 890 00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:45,200 Speaker 1: such a thing as effective, reproducible remote viewing and it 891 00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:49,320 Speaker 1: was being used various aspects of statecraft, then what's the 892 00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,640 Speaker 1: first thing a rival country does kills all of those 893 00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:58,440 Speaker 1: people as quickly as possible. International lobby damned. So maybe 894 00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,880 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm trying to brainstorm reasons or you know, 895 00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,440 Speaker 1: I'm trying to brainstore motivations to keep that from the 896 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,320 Speaker 1: public were it to be true. But when you say 897 00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,800 Speaker 1: the academy, one thing that's really interesting is you're not 898 00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,000 Speaker 1: talking Matt in some vague abstract term. You're talking about 899 00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:19,720 Speaker 1: specifically To the Stars Academy, and we learned some stuff 900 00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:24,640 Speaker 1: about that, right, because it is, uh, like many things 901 00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:28,480 Speaker 1: in our society, regardless of its aims, it is driven 902 00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:32,640 Speaker 1: by a financial engine. So what do we know about that? 903 00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:36,080 Speaker 1: How does how do the numbers work for this thing? Well, 904 00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,240 Speaker 1: and when they did their big debut on stage, they 905 00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,000 Speaker 1: talked about a lot of lofty goals and aspirations and 906 00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,680 Speaker 1: basically doing things for the good of humanity, and then 907 00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:48,720 Speaker 1: they ended with donate here um. And that's what that's 908 00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,960 Speaker 1: essentially what it was. You can buy quote unquote stock 909 00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,760 Speaker 1: because it's not like traded on the stock exchange, but 910 00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:58,520 Speaker 1: qute unquote stock of of To the Stars Academy. It's 911 00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:02,560 Speaker 1: five dollars a share and uh minimum two hundred dollars spend. 912 00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:07,560 Speaker 1: They've had two thousands something um purchasers so far and 913 00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:11,040 Speaker 1: have already as of as of March of this year, 914 00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:16,280 Speaker 1: had raised two point five million dollars. That's nuts to 915 00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:20,960 Speaker 1: me from undred two thousand, five nine individuals. According to 916 00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:24,480 Speaker 1: the website, minimum donation two hundred dollars, so to get 917 00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:27,560 Speaker 1: to two point five million, that means some people were 918 00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:31,280 Speaker 1: putting in a lot more. Yeah, a lot more significant 919 00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,680 Speaker 1: chunk of change, including Tom right. Yeah, yeah, he to 920 00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,120 Speaker 1: get it off the ground, he invested six hundred thousand 921 00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:40,040 Speaker 1: of his own money and as a function of that, 922 00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,760 Speaker 1: he now makes a minimum of a hundred thousand dollars 923 00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:48,720 Speaker 1: per year in royalties from the company to become whole again. Okay, 924 00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,320 Speaker 1: so just to recoup Yeah, I don't know if that 925 00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,400 Speaker 1: will go on beyond his his recouping of the funds, 926 00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:57,600 Speaker 1: but um, you know, and obviously be in a private company, 927 00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:01,920 Speaker 1: all of this is just what they choose to to share, right, Yeah, 928 01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,200 Speaker 1: it is up to them regarding how much they want 929 01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:07,360 Speaker 1: to disclose, and more so than it would be if 930 01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:12,840 Speaker 1: they had like a public stock correct. So it's fascinating 931 01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:19,160 Speaker 1: whenever we bring money into this many people can easily 932 01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:24,320 Speaker 1: feel as though it invalidates the organization entire. That's not 933 01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:28,720 Speaker 1: necessarily true. I can see where that skepticism comes from. 934 01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:32,760 Speaker 1: But the two things are not automatically related. Right. You 935 01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:37,160 Speaker 1: have to have funding to do your projects as as NASA. Yeah, 936 01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:39,560 Speaker 1: I mean everyone at NASA has been complaining about the 937 01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:46,080 Speaker 1: shrinking budget there for thirty years as sales department. Very true, 938 01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:51,360 Speaker 1: So what what so when we talk about these projects. 939 01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:57,040 Speaker 1: What what exactly are Tom Delong's claims? What kind of 940 01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:01,760 Speaker 1: stuff is to the stars, Academy funding, what's the research? 941 01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,800 Speaker 1: What gives it? Depends on if you want specifics or 942 01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:09,320 Speaker 1: if you want very general specifics. Numerous movies, books, um 943 01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,920 Speaker 1: and and various forms of other of other materials that 944 01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:16,400 Speaker 1: they will sell for profit if you want very general. 945 01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:22,840 Speaker 1: The other aims are to develop technologies to reveal information. 946 01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:26,600 Speaker 1: And well that sounds really generic. Yea, that's because that's 947 01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:31,600 Speaker 1: all they've said. Yeah, but you whenever Tom talks about it, 948 01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,120 Speaker 1: he's like, you won't believe it, man, Like the technology 949 01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,520 Speaker 1: that that they've exposed me to, it's it's just amazing. 950 01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:38,640 Speaker 1: Or told me about. Yeah, you can shoot a laser 951 01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:42,800 Speaker 1: of this metal and the metal will somehow generate energy. Yeah, 952 01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:47,760 Speaker 1: and float. Time travel Yeah, time travel, dude, it's very specific. 953 01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:52,640 Speaker 1: He got crazy specific about the time travel he did. Oh. 954 01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:56,479 Speaker 1: He says, there's an artificial bubble of gravity that gets 955 01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:59,560 Speaker 1: created when you're using one of these machines, and then 956 01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:03,600 Speaker 1: everything else outside of that bubble freezes. Essentially everybody, everybody 957 01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:07,400 Speaker 1: says freeze, and then the bubble can move throughout like 958 01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:09,520 Speaker 1: time and space and you could pick up a Coca 959 01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:12,439 Speaker 1: cola can out of John's hand, put it in Ben's hand, 960 01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:16,120 Speaker 1: and then just leave and then I guess turn it off, 961 01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:18,040 Speaker 1: and then time would go back to normal and there 962 01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,200 Speaker 1: would be a red shift. They were like a visible 963 01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,920 Speaker 1: red shift when you're operating the thing. Uh, well, my 964 01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,560 Speaker 1: guest has to be that it must operate on red 965 01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:33,320 Speaker 1: mercury like the bell. Yeah, and sure, that's why I 966 01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:35,720 Speaker 1: assume that's why there would be a red shift. That's 967 01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:39,320 Speaker 1: that's probably what it is time traveling. And also if 968 01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,560 Speaker 1: you're going to make the greatest discovery in the history 969 01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:44,200 Speaker 1: of humanity, which that would be, the first thing you 970 01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:47,760 Speaker 1: obviously would do would be start playing practical jokes on 971 01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:52,919 Speaker 1: people with coca cola's that's right, right. Yeah. The other 972 01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,200 Speaker 1: thing is, you know, not to get to in the 973 01:02:55,240 --> 01:03:00,200 Speaker 1: weeds about it. But the bubble concept is different goal 974 01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,560 Speaker 1: because it sets a threshold for where the flow of 975 01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:07,280 Speaker 1: time differentiates. So how could you reach outside of the bubble? 976 01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:10,200 Speaker 1: How could you take that from the coke from one 977 01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:13,880 Speaker 1: end to the other? You somehow? And okay, you know what, 978 01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:16,120 Speaker 1: it's a different show. It's a different show if that's 979 01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,360 Speaker 1: one of those claims if the person's hand holding the 980 01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:21,680 Speaker 1: Coca cola entered the bubble right in order for you 981 01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,680 Speaker 1: to manipulate it whilst inside the bubble, what happens to 982 01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:27,800 Speaker 1: that hand? Would it be like that remake of the 983 01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:32,960 Speaker 1: Time Machine where he spoiler alert guy Pierce. Yeah, yeah, 984 01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:35,600 Speaker 1: where he gets in a fight with the head more 985 01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:40,120 Speaker 1: lock and then like they age precipitously when they're outside 986 01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,040 Speaker 1: of the bubble. I don't know, watch it again. You 987 01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:44,160 Speaker 1: come you come back with a hand that is just 988 01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:48,280 Speaker 1: a skeleton. Yeah, that was not that practical joke was 989 01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:52,520 Speaker 1: not worthwhile. I want my two dollars back. Yes, And 990 01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:54,960 Speaker 1: if you are doing, you know, practical jokes with stuff 991 01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:58,080 Speaker 1: in hands, I gotta say I think switching out guns 992 01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:00,800 Speaker 1: for bananas is probably the best. That's what I would do. 993 01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:03,000 Speaker 1: I couldn't agree. More So, we talked about some of 994 01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:06,120 Speaker 1: the other things that he believes, as you said, John, 995 01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:14,760 Speaker 1: that the roswell material recovered was from a German manufactured vehicle, well, 996 01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:21,720 Speaker 1: an Argentinean manufactured vehicle right by a German scientist and exile. Yeah, 997 01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:25,760 Speaker 1: that's what he said. Um. And specifically, the project paper 998 01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:28,040 Speaker 1: Clip is about a lot more than what we think 999 01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:30,959 Speaker 1: it's about with the same basic goal, get the top 1000 01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:34,720 Speaker 1: scientists from Germany to work for us rather than, let's say, 1001 01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:38,440 Speaker 1: for Russia or somebody else. But he thinks, and he 1002 01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:40,680 Speaker 1: would not say what it was, but it was about 1003 01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,960 Speaker 1: something else. They knew how to reverse engineer some of 1004 01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:47,240 Speaker 1: this technology. They were more they were more in tune 1005 01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,560 Speaker 1: with and advanced with the alien technology than we were. 1006 01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:52,320 Speaker 1: And that's why we have to go get him. That's 1007 01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:54,880 Speaker 1: why we gave Werner von Braun the house in the 1008 01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:59,680 Speaker 1: Hampton's Yes, yeah, and said here, this is NASA want 1009 01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:04,160 Speaker 1: to run. So these are already what we call tall milkshakes. 1010 01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:09,760 Speaker 1: It's kind of it's all order to accept this fundamentally 1011 01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:15,600 Speaker 1: without a higher degree of proof. Right, you can see 1012 01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:18,520 Speaker 1: videos of plenty. We're all familiar with YouTube if we 1013 01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:22,080 Speaker 1: listen to podcasts. But if there is some sort of 1014 01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:28,040 Speaker 1: unidentifiable alloy the from that was recovered from a crash site, 1015 01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:32,800 Speaker 1: then the logical assumption is that more people would believe 1016 01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:36,280 Speaker 1: you if that were made public and available for study. 1017 01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:38,560 Speaker 1: But these are not all of the claims. There are 1018 01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:41,720 Speaker 1: a couple of more things he believes correct. Oh yeah, well, 1019 01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:43,200 Speaker 1: I mean we can get at all of them. But 1020 01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:47,920 Speaker 1: there it's obvious that Tom DeLong in some way, at 1021 01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:52,840 Speaker 1: least personally believes in a lot of YouTube UFO videos 1022 01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:58,360 Speaker 1: or aerial threat vehicles videos of them that exists online 1023 01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,960 Speaker 1: videos that as a video professional or at least a 1024 01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:05,959 Speaker 1: former video professional. Um, you can easily see our after 1025 01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:10,320 Speaker 1: effects projects, um, pretty easily, and I think people are 1026 01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:13,960 Speaker 1: more discerning now about a lot of these things. With photoshop, 1027 01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:16,920 Speaker 1: you can kind of tell when something has been manipulated, 1028 01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:19,840 Speaker 1: but if someone's really good at it, it's harder to tell. 1029 01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:22,920 Speaker 1: But you can still see motion shake in there, or 1030 01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:27,000 Speaker 1: someone specifically blurring an image on purpose at a certain time. 1031 01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:29,600 Speaker 1: He he believes in this thing called the t R 1032 01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:34,280 Speaker 1: three b astro, which has been shown in gosh countless videos. 1033 01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:37,600 Speaker 1: He showed one on the Joe Rogan experience, and it 1034 01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:41,440 Speaker 1: was obviously fake in my opinion, And that kind of 1035 01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:44,800 Speaker 1: thing doesn't do a great job of boosting your credit, 1036 01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:47,400 Speaker 1: I guess in this sphere for me, at least in 1037 01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:50,919 Speaker 1: my opinion. Um. And the other big thing is the 1038 01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,920 Speaker 1: the Moon missions, the Apollo Moon missions. One thing on 1039 01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:58,040 Speaker 1: the video that he showed on Joe Rogan. Not only 1040 01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:01,280 Speaker 1: did he say he believes that he inferred that a 1041 01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:05,120 Speaker 1: technology similar or perhaps exact um is going to be 1042 01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,880 Speaker 1: revealed to the world through the To the Stars Academy 1043 01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:15,080 Speaker 1: UM imminently. Yeah. Really hasn't happened yet. Yeah, that was 1044 01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:19,800 Speaker 1: I don't know, at least a year ago has but 1045 01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:23,520 Speaker 1: hasn't happened yet. Yeah. Well, and then there's the whole 1046 01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:26,600 Speaker 1: thing with the Apollo Moon mission. He he believes and 1047 01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:29,400 Speaker 1: he stayed in and I think they've discussed this before, 1048 01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:32,840 Speaker 1: that the Apollo Moon missions were successful, they were real. 1049 01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:37,440 Speaker 1: The problem is this whole disinformation thing about the moon 1050 01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:40,680 Speaker 1: landing being faked. It was propagated by these same control 1051 01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:43,520 Speaker 1: forces that he believes has been kind of trickling out 1052 01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:47,320 Speaker 1: disclosure over the years, specifically because they didn't want the 1053 01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:50,479 Speaker 1: public asking questions about what they found on the Moon 1054 01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:54,640 Speaker 1: while they were there. I see, Okay, So it's the 1055 01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:59,440 Speaker 1: it's the larger pattern of the accepted things or the 1056 01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:03,160 Speaker 1: rumored things are true, but with a twist. There's always 1057 01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:07,520 Speaker 1: a new twist on this. So these we're we're just 1058 01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:10,200 Speaker 1: touching a little bit on some of the claims, and 1059 01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:14,120 Speaker 1: you can find many of these claims in further detail 1060 01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:18,480 Speaker 1: in different interviews several of which have actually been apparently 1061 01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:22,600 Speaker 1: pulled from the net and they're kind of tough to 1062 01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:29,559 Speaker 1: find now. But this leads us to several conclusions or guesses. 1063 01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:33,880 Speaker 1: The big question is what what next? What does this mean? 1064 01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:39,120 Speaker 1: Where does this all go? And with that, John, I 1065 01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:41,960 Speaker 1: think we'd have to defer to you what do you think, ma'am? 1066 01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:43,479 Speaker 1: What do you what do you think this is headed 1067 01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:46,000 Speaker 1: to to understand where it's going to go? I think 1068 01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:50,000 Speaker 1: first you have to look at um what he's actually 1069 01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:54,320 Speaker 1: doing and understanding his motivation if we can. And to me, 1070 01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:58,439 Speaker 1: there's only there's three positive, three basic possibilities there. First, 1071 01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:02,880 Speaker 1: he's completely tell in the truth. We are, um, we're 1072 01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,680 Speaker 1: just a little too skeptical here, but he's he's on 1073 01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:09,719 Speaker 1: the money and uh e T has been here and 1074 01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:13,759 Speaker 1: he is the agent of disclosure for the government. Okay, 1075 01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:17,240 Speaker 1: that's option one. Option two is the flip side of 1076 01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:19,760 Speaker 1: that coin. He is completely lying. He is in this 1077 01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:23,040 Speaker 1: for the money. It is a for profit business and 1078 01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:25,960 Speaker 1: he is going to profit and really use this to 1079 01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:30,880 Speaker 1: extend further extent his I p you know, his his 1080 01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:36,439 Speaker 1: his books, his movies, um, etcetera. The third possibility, which 1081 01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:40,320 Speaker 1: I find intriguing because we have talked about his connections. 1082 01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:43,639 Speaker 1: It is nuts, the connections that he has, the people 1083 01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:46,599 Speaker 1: he's had meetings with, and even the people on that 1084 01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:50,280 Speaker 1: board that we mentioned earlier, it's kind of crazy. How 1085 01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:52,559 Speaker 1: does he get access to those people? And so for me, 1086 01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:56,320 Speaker 1: the third possibility is he is an agent of disinformation, 1087 01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:59,559 Speaker 1: and this would not be as I'm sure you've talked 1088 01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:04,480 Speaker 1: about on this show, the first time that real disinformation 1089 01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:08,760 Speaker 1: has been in the UFO world, not not uh not 1090 01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:11,960 Speaker 1: tinfoil hat type of oh we think the government's behind it, 1091 01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:14,400 Speaker 1: you know, proven out. I mean, you look back at 1092 01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:18,280 Speaker 1: Paul Benewitz. Uh, Paul, but if if if your listeners 1093 01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:20,639 Speaker 1: aren't familiar with the story. To make it a really 1094 01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:25,920 Speaker 1: a really long story short, essentially, he was seeing aliens everywhere. Um, 1095 01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:29,800 Speaker 1: but he actually he accidentally stumbled into some real classified 1096 01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:32,680 Speaker 1: programs and they're like, well, we need to we need 1097 01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,320 Speaker 1: to throw him off the track. So they incorporated two guys, 1098 01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:39,599 Speaker 1: Bill Moore, who wrote a book about Roswell actually uh 1099 01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:44,599 Speaker 1: and Richard Dody, and they started working Benewitz and saying 1100 01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:47,160 Speaker 1: not trying to steer him away from the UFOs, they're 1101 01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:49,600 Speaker 1: trying to actually get away from the secret Real project 1102 01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:52,360 Speaker 1: and started telling you're absolutely right about aliens and their 1103 01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:56,080 Speaker 1: mission was to drive him insane, to drive him looney tunes, 1104 01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:59,240 Speaker 1: and they succeeded. He spent the preponderance of his life 1105 01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:03,200 Speaker 1: after created all of this fake evidence in in and 1106 01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:07,120 Speaker 1: out of mental facilities. And that was Bill Moore, the 1107 01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:09,679 Speaker 1: guy I mentioned earlier, literally at a mouf On conference 1108 01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:13,440 Speaker 1: and I think the late eighties, came out and said, Hey, everybody, 1109 01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:15,920 Speaker 1: I have been an agent of disinformation on the half 1110 01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:17,960 Speaker 1: of the c I A. But it's it's all good 1111 01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,920 Speaker 1: because I was doing it so I could learn more. Um, 1112 01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,680 Speaker 1: these are all these are all really these are all 1113 01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:26,280 Speaker 1: real things. These aren't these are proven out, These are 1114 01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:30,040 Speaker 1: you know, admitted to things. Are we looking at Tom 1115 01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:33,639 Speaker 1: DeLong as benewits all over again and he just doesn't 1116 01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:36,439 Speaker 1: know it. I I'm gonna go ahead and say, in 1117 01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:39,320 Speaker 1: my opinion, I think that's probably closer to what's happening, 1118 01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:43,800 Speaker 1: because if you look back the Richard C. Doughty thing, 1119 01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:46,519 Speaker 1: that that is a story that's stuck with me since 1120 01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:50,960 Speaker 1: our Stephen Greer interview because he he posits that that guy, 1121 01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:54,439 Speaker 1: he has that guy under control, and he knows, you know, 1122 01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:56,880 Speaker 1: how this guy manipulates, and he knows when he's telling 1123 01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:59,080 Speaker 1: the truth. And in this Richard Doughty would never lie 1124 01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:00,880 Speaker 1: to him and all this stuff. And I feel like 1125 01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:03,160 Speaker 1: when you get too deep into this world and you 1126 01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:05,960 Speaker 1: feel like you're down that rabbit hole to a certain 1127 01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:09,679 Speaker 1: extent and like far enough, then how can you tell 1128 01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:14,000 Speaker 1: when someone is being honest with you or not? I mean, 1129 01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:16,840 Speaker 1: I think it gets really confusing. And I have a 1130 01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:20,760 Speaker 1: feeling that Tom DeLong has found himself somewhere again just 1131 01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:25,640 Speaker 1: my opinion in that gradient of not sure who he 1132 01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:27,720 Speaker 1: can really trust anymore. So we kind of has to 1133 01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:32,000 Speaker 1: just go with it. When articles of proof become replaced 1134 01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:38,000 Speaker 1: by matters of trust or articles of faith, essentially, it's 1135 01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:41,920 Speaker 1: a dangerous thing. And it's easy if this is true. 1136 01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,360 Speaker 1: It's easy for people on the outside to look at this, 1137 01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:49,320 Speaker 1: askance and say, well, sure, maybe to someone else that 1138 01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:52,519 Speaker 1: would happen, but never to me. The problem is that 1139 01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:56,040 Speaker 1: when these sorts of things occur, it's never a light switch. 1140 01:12:56,760 --> 01:13:00,880 Speaker 1: It's always a matter of gradients and increments and degrees 1141 01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:06,960 Speaker 1: a trick. It's a trickle, right, like the spread of disclosure. Right. 1142 01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:11,920 Speaker 1: So this this brings us to one of the most 1143 01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:15,920 Speaker 1: important questions. Folks, we would like to hear from you. 1144 01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:18,880 Speaker 1: What do you think about this? Where do you think 1145 01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:23,080 Speaker 1: this is going? What do you think about the possibilities 1146 01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:27,280 Speaker 1: that John has raised? Would you say that there is 1147 01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:30,080 Speaker 1: something else there? Do you have a definite pick? Is 1148 01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:34,080 Speaker 1: this guy definitely lying on purpose to you and the 1149 01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:38,280 Speaker 1: public at large? Is this absolutely true? Is he being 1150 01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:42,200 Speaker 1: lied to and use? And why? Why are those other 1151 01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:44,679 Speaker 1: people working for him? Yeah, that's the part I can't 1152 01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:48,640 Speaker 1: get over. I just if it's not, If it's not disinformation, 1153 01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,160 Speaker 1: that's the most intriguing part of this story to me. 1154 01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:56,160 Speaker 1: The reason I wanted to talk about it is these 1155 01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:59,880 Speaker 1: are skunk works. He's part of this. To the Stars 1156 01:13:59,880 --> 01:14:05,479 Speaker 1: at Academy it's just crazy. And you know, I the 1157 01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:08,240 Speaker 1: only thing that I will go out record saying, as 1158 01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:11,840 Speaker 1: in my own personal opinion, is that I feel like 1159 01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,439 Speaker 1: they could have chosen a much better name. To the 1160 01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:19,439 Speaker 1: Stars Academy sounds like a knockoff Space camp. It is 1161 01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:21,800 Speaker 1: a little weird, it's kind of long. It feels like 1162 01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:25,320 Speaker 1: it should have a more singular, iconic name because eventually, 1163 01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:28,360 Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's gonna be a giant corporation that 1164 01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:31,200 Speaker 1: it sounds it sounds like the kind of place where 1165 01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:35,800 Speaker 1: everybody gets a participation medal. Right, right, yeah, I pick 1166 01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:38,720 Speaker 1: a scary name that could also be a venture capitalist 1167 01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:42,599 Speaker 1: company or something you know, like, uh, something that sounds 1168 01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:45,800 Speaker 1: powerful but made up, like the car name for V eight. 1169 01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:49,599 Speaker 1: You know it's the color Vidapurian or something. You know, 1170 01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:54,280 Speaker 1: people people would be into that. Well. Speaking of participation, Hey, John, 1171 01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:56,320 Speaker 1: thanks for being on the show of us today. This 1172 01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:58,240 Speaker 1: was a lot of fun. Guys, thanks so much for 1173 01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:00,400 Speaker 1: having me. This is great. I've been I've been listening 1174 01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:02,960 Speaker 1: to this show for much longer than we've been doing ours. 1175 01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:05,559 Speaker 1: You've the show has been an inspiration for our show 1176 01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:08,800 Speaker 1: and uh and it was such a pleasure and a 1177 01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:11,120 Speaker 1: thrill to to get sit down and and and talk 1178 01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:15,400 Speaker 1: through uh Blink two with you. Thank you for bringing 1179 01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:19,160 Speaker 1: conspiracy but on as well. Again, we would like to 1180 01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:22,840 Speaker 1: recommend his Stery of fifty one. If you enjoy our show, 1181 01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:27,240 Speaker 1: uh do please head on over to John Show and 1182 01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:32,120 Speaker 1: check it out. We often run into some of the 1183 01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:39,040 Speaker 1: same things, but we always shows uncover different facets of information. 1184 01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:42,160 Speaker 1: We will take it in different directions because there are 1185 01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:46,680 Speaker 1: so many paths to travel here on the edge of 1186 01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:49,240 Speaker 1: the known world. Yeah, you can check out episodes that 1187 01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:52,240 Speaker 1: John and Brenn have done on Remote Viewing Gray Aliens 1188 01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:55,559 Speaker 1: Area fifty one, Roswell, the Battle of Los Angeles I 1189 01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:58,200 Speaker 1: can go on. Uh if you like this episode, go 1190 01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:01,360 Speaker 1: check that out now. Battle of Los Angeles especially, that's 1191 01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:04,240 Speaker 1: a good win. Oh yeah, the the entry point for 1192 01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:05,640 Speaker 1: a lot of people on our show as we did 1193 01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:08,240 Speaker 1: a two parter on the flat Earth and we had 1194 01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:11,599 Speaker 1: to two of the YouTube experts on flat Earth, but 1195 01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:13,559 Speaker 1: we also had a guy from NASA, a guy from 1196 01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:18,800 Speaker 1: SpaceX and A and an astrophysicist X and it was 1197 01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:22,000 Speaker 1: three hours of pure torment for me, not just being 1198 01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:24,559 Speaker 1: able to call him names. But people enjoyed the show. 1199 01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:27,280 Speaker 1: So where did you end up? Definitely flat? Oh, completely, 1200 01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:30,519 Speaker 1: although I can't figure out how it's both flat and hollow, 1201 01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:32,880 Speaker 1: so I'm just going with both. And you know, yeah, 1202 01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:36,920 Speaker 1: it's like a recy cup with the peanut butter taken out, 1203 01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:41,320 Speaker 1: got it, and it's slowly moving down in a screw 1204 01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:44,280 Speaker 1: shaped fashion on the back of a turtle, on the 1205 01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:48,439 Speaker 1: back of Yes it's a tortoise, but you can that's why, 1206 01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:51,240 Speaker 1: that's why you guys are the professional boy. So John, 1207 01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:54,439 Speaker 1: where can people learn more about Hysteria fifty one. Well, 1208 01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:57,280 Speaker 1: obviously it's available on any podcatcher, so just search Hysteria 1209 01:16:57,320 --> 01:16:59,080 Speaker 1: fifty one. 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