WEBVTT - Creature Classic: Tiny Penguin Naps 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:07.480 Welcome to Creature Feature production of iHeart Radio. 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:15.800 Creature Feature. It's Creature Cringle Times, a holiday special about 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:21.880 our furry friends. Today we'll learn how hibernation works and 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:29.200 what's up with these chabby bears, snail hibernas, leivers with 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:30.160 fat tails. 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:35.560 Join us as we learn and love in the sleepy 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:42.000 little penguins perfect power naps. It's a sleepy, cozy winter time. 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:49.360 Welcome to Creature Feature production of iHeart Radio. I'm your 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:52.560 host of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:56.880 evolutionary biology, and on today's special Kringle Time show, we're 0:00:56.880 --> 0:01:00.680 getting cozy and snugly and talking about the world's best, 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:06.480 most creative, and most interesting sleepers. From hibernations to teeny naps, 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:10.840 these wintery animals know how to catch a few holiday z's. 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:17.840 Happy Creature Ring, Happy Creature, Ring, Happy Creature. 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:31.080 Joining me today is comedian and host of the podcast 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:34.880 Jeff Has Cool Friends and Other great podcasts. 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:40.480 Jeff May welcome. Hey, I just woke up. This is great. Yeah, fact, 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:44.600 I just dehibernated. Be mad. Yeah. 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:47.880 What's your favorite way to get cozy during the winter? 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:51.720 I mean, I think you're still in La, right, I am. 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:54.640 It doesn't get too cold there, but it's still nice 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:55.760 to get cozy. 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:58.800 So it actually gets really cold inside. I don't know 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:03.080 if you remember La, but there's no insulation in any 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:07.560 of the houses, so for example, like in my house 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:11.840 right now, it's like the high fifties. So yeah, not 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:15.480 what you would think would be great. I actually prefer 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:20.720 a fireplace. Yeah, airplace. I had a fire last night. 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:25.400 It was delightful. That really is something for me. It's 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:31.160 getting pricey, getting a little pricey. The wood has gone up. 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:36.960 But I do like that. I like being inside where 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:39.440 it is not bad while the weather is bad. 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:43.760 It's the best feeling. It's the best. I'm finally living 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:48.079 somewhere where it does occasionally snow, which I love. And 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:52.760 I also just like being inside watching either rain or snow. 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:56.280 But you're cozy and you're warm, and you're under a blanket, 0:02:56.800 --> 0:02:59.399 maybe you even have a hot drink. It's just such 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:04.960 a good feeling. It's like this intense smugness about your 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:08.639 position versus like the weather outside. It's like a very 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:10.160 cozy smugness and I love it. 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:14.600 Yeah, it turns out that the weather outside is actually frightful, right, but. 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:16.280 The fire inside. 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:17.840 Meanwhile, wow, that's delightful. 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:18.799 Right, that can be delightful. 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:22.519 Yeah, no, I very much am that as a new Englander. 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:26.320 Like snow is two is two things for me. One, 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:31.000 it is a dangerous labor because you have to like 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:35.040 shovel your driveway or you know, you have to drive 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:39.280 extra specially careful carefully. I don't know I didn't add 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:42.000 an adverb into that sentence. But then on top of 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:46.080 that too, like being inside when it snows is the best, right, Yeah, no, 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:49.240 you like you forget you're just sitting there. Although when 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:52.520 I was a homeowner, I would look outside and see 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:54.960 the snow and be like, yeah, should I go pre 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:58.240 shovel right now? So it's not super bad tomorrow. Like 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:01.240 that's the energy that I was bringing to homeowners, real 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:02.040 dad energy. 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:05.560 Yeah, I've never had a home while I lived, like 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:09.680 a suburban home where I'd actually have to shovel snow 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:12.840 or deal with it. So I've always just had a 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:15.600 good time in the snow because i haven't had a 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:19.039 car or home while being in an area with snow. 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:21.119 So that's the labor of snow. 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:26.720 Yeah, disappears right exactly, But yeah, very very on theme, 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:29.880 because today we are talking about animals who do their 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:34.640 best to avoid the discomforts of winter in bad weather 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:39.040 and we'll just sleep it off, but in very specific 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:43.000 physiological ways. So first we're going to talk about bears 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:47.320 and this idea of bear hibernation. Now there's going to 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:51.560 be a twist here, so get ready for that. But 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:54.880 first let's talk about fat Bear Week. So have you 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:55.920 heard of fat Bear Week? 0:04:56.800 --> 0:05:00.840 I love fat Bear Week, so good course, standard Bear 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:05.800 Week as a Massachusetts former Massachusetts residence Bear Week itself, 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:09.400 of course very popular in Provincetown in the summertime. Fat 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:11.839 Bear Week, that is a winter holiday. 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:15.080 The Fat Bear Week is a celebration by the Cathmeae 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:19.600 National Park and Preserve in Alaska of the bears in 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:23.359 the park putting on their winter weight. This year, it 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:26.840 happened in October and ended on what the Park Service 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:30.440 calls fat Bear Tuesday. So the way it works is 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:32.880 that the public is allowed to watch the bears on 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:39.880 these park cams and then vote online at fatbearweek dot org. Obviously, 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:43.760 fat Bear Week has already happened, so a winner has 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:49.000 been crowned. It was a female bear named Grazier, who 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:52.000 is a light brown bear with blonde, fluffy ears who 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:55.320 is described by the Fat Bear Week website as a 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:58.880 very tough lady. She's raised two sets of cubs and 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:03.000 is so protected her cubs. She'll go on the offense 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:06.359 against male bears who get too close, even bears that 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:10.640 are bigger than herself. She is famous for being the 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:14.320 most defensive bold mother bear in the current bear lineup 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:16.119 in Catmi National Park. 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:21.760 I love this. I love all this information, but I 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:23.719 do feel like we did sort of gloss over the 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:26.800 fact that they do Fat Bear Tuesday, yeah, which is 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:32.479 what Mardi Gras d'Ors or something like that, like it's 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:35.719 Mardi Gras, Yeah, yeah, yeah. But for bears, I love. 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:37.839 I love all of that energy in there. And I 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:39.960 love that she just partied. She's got some bead around, 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:42.599 beads around her neck, and she is just chasing dudes off. 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:43.880 I love that about her. 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:47.760 Yes, And she and these bears. Every year, bears put 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:50.760 on an enormous amount of weight in the summer and 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:54.039 fall uh to survive the winter. And so the point 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:56.560 of Fat Bear Week is to celebrate these bears and 0:06:56.640 --> 0:06:59.560 all their girth and you know, pick out one of 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:02.960 the bears, who has one. I mean, it's like, I 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:05.520 don't think it's necessarily just a way in right, they're 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:08.200 not because they're not weighing these bears. It's not all 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:11.320 just about the size. It's about the public's favorite. So 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:16.520 the favorite one usually it's one that has indeed put 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:18.880 on a bunch of weight. But there's you know, other 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:21.560 aspects to their personality that can win them boats. 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:27.960 Now the photo that you shared first off, must hug bear. Yeah, bear, 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:32.200 it's friend. And then the information that you shared bear 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:32.800 is not friend. 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:33.800 Bear is not friend. 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:36.480 Yeah, it's also but also bear's friend. 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:40.800 This is the contradiction of bear. This is the biggest 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:43.720 sort of like it is an The oxymoron of the 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:47.200 bear is that they look like the world's most huggable animal, 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:49.600 and in fact, they may be one of the world's 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:53.800 least huggable animals in terms of the speed with which 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:59.440 they could rind your bones from flesh and absolutely turn 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:03.680 you into a sort of meat and bone salad. Is 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:07.560 it's very impressive, like you know so, But on the 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:11.160 other hand, they do look really huggable a friend, Yes, 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:13.320 like if I had to if I had to be 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:17.520 executed for some reason for one of my many crimes. 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:21.000 I feel like I'd want to do execution by bear hug, Like, 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:23.240 let me hug a bear. Yeah, death by bear where 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:26.280 I give it a hug and it, you know, does 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:29.080 its thing and at least I go out on a 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:30.160 high note. 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:33.479 And you get to help out fat bear week, right exactly, 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:36.920 be like I'm going to feed myself to my favorite 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:38.320 bear that I have put money on. 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:41.160 I become part of the bear. In reality, this would 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:43.440 be really bad because then once the bear gets a 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:46.400 taste of delicious human, it would probably go after other 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:48.720 people and then they'd euthanize the bear. 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:52.760 It is it? Historically speaking, we don't taste great? Is that? 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:55.959 Is that right? Like? I know that like sharks, sharks 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:57.880 aren't actually fans of our flavor. 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:02.960 It's I think it's a fat to like bone ratio. 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:06.040 And also we have clothing, and I think all of 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:07.040 that is kind of off. 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:10.080 But there are frogs legs, Yeah. 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:12.440 There are, Yeah, We're a little We're just not. It's 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:16.240 like like with insects, right, Like we are not used 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:19.440 to eating insects. I mean some cultures, certainly they do 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:22.040 eat insects, but when you're raised in a culture where 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:23.840 you don't eat them. If someone's like, here, you have 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:26.880 this cricket and you're like, ah, this kind of feels weird. 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:29.640 But it doesn't mean the cricket tastes bad. It's just 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:31.120 that you're not used to it. So for a lot 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:33.400 of animals, I would think they're just not used to 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:37.440 the human taste and or texture. But there are a 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:41.640 copy Yeah, it's like it's an acquired taste. But certainly 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:44.520 there are animals like polar bears who will absolutely look 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:46.200 at a human and be like, yeah, I could, I 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:47.320 could chow down on that. 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:51.320 Yeah, I mean in nature there's there's options, but if 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:54.000 there's no options, they are like women to eat that obviously. 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:58.360 Right of course. Yeah, and bears will potentially eat people. 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:02.960 I mean typically though, like even grizzly bears don't generally 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:06.640 go after humans, but but they can. They will if, 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:10.040 especially if they feel threatened or you try to get close. 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:12.720 To them, or they do a lot of cocaine. 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:16.920 Yeah, I know, there's that Cocaine Bear movie, which is 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:19.840 really kind of I feel like you're really setting a 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:22.600 bad example for bears, and I feel like we need 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:25.520 to do like a dare program for bears like bear 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:29.480 Beardar to teach them that no cocaine is actually really 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:31.520 bad for bears. Don't do it just because you saw 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:33.240 a bear on the movies. 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:35.840 Maybe you could do it not being so lame. 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:37.480 Yeah, well you know. 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:39.480 With that, maybe stop trying to ruin the party. 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:43.160 You know, I just I want my bears thick and 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:44.480 fat and full of salmon. 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:48.520 So bear body shaming are you because no. 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:54.960 I'm saying that. I'm I'm I'm just saying that the 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:56.800 best bears are fat bears. 0:10:57.320 --> 0:11:00.360 Okay, well I'm saying all bears are beautiful. So like 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:03.199 mark that down. Put that in the notes for people 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:04.840 when they listen to by bears. 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:09.000 So why do these bears put on so much weight? 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:12.200 It's not just to look amazing. It is which you 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:15.319 can actually see these before after photos of these bears. 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:17.719 If you go to Rubenesque Bears. 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:20.840 They are Rubenesque bears. Go to explore dot org slash 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:25.119 meet the dash Bears. I'll put that link in the footnotes. 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:28.720 But yeah, it's really cool because you can see live 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:33.600 streams of parks, old videos of bears like eating fish 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:37.360 and stuff, and also the before after pictures of bears 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:40.280 after having bulked up. But yeah, they put on this 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:43.400 huge amount of fat so that they can get through 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:46.720 the winter, and they go into this state of dormancy 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:51.600 during the winter. This is often called hibernation, but if 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:57.040 you're being really picky, bears are not true hibernators. It's 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:59.319 kind of weird because they're like kind of the poster 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:03.200 bear for hibernation, and yet what they do in the 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:09.040 winter is technically not exactly hibernation. So hibernation is a 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:14.400 type of prolonged inactivity characterized by physiological changes where the 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:17.319 rate of breathing is slowed, the heart rate is slowed, 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:21.240 and body temperature drops. This helps slow the metabolism so 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:24.040 the animal can live off of their energy stores and 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:29.400 survive the winter, which is generally harsh and nutrient poor, 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:34.720 and so lots of animals hibernate, from rodents to bats, 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:39.640 But technically bears do not hibernate. They do enter a 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:43.720 state of torpoor, which just means a state of reduced 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:48.719 activity and which includes a lot of sleep, a lot 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:51.360 of rest, a lot of like not really doing anything. 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:58.959 Celebrities just like us, just like just like podcasters, there 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:03.280 are some physio changes that bears go through, including bulking up. 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:06.360 Their heart rate, breathing and metal ballic rate do slow 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:11.040 down when they are in deep sleep, but their body 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:14.600 temperature does not drop, and they can actually wake up 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:21.120 relatively easy, which is unlike hibernators. In fact, female bears 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:24.360 generally have to wake up from their torpoor in order 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:27.400 to give birth during the winter, which is when they 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:30.160 typically give birth. So they'll be, you know, in the 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:33.880 state of torpoor, snooze and be like, op, gotta gotta 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:37.680 wake up, gotta gotta push out of the cups. Yeah, 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:40.760 but this winter dormancy that bears go through is still 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:44.600 really impressive. They can go for months without needing to 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:49.160 urinate or defecate. The poop in their intestines actually remains 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:53.319 there whatever's left before because they go before they hibernate. 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:58.920 So they have like basically this fecal plug. They're very like, 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:04.000 I guess, hard and thick, and it stays in the intestines. 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:06.360 It's slow moving and then it just kind of like 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:10.520 dries out. The intestines absorb a lot of the fluids 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:14.880 from this fecal matter and then it forms this hard plug. 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:20.560 And so this their intestines basically slow down, their kidney 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:25.640 function grinds to a halt, and they don't urinate. Like 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:28.760 you know that feeling when you're super cozy in bed, 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:32.480 you're really warm and it's cold and like you have 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:35.760 to peep, but you're like it can wait, Like I 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:37.800 know I should get up and pee, but it can wait, 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:40.520 and you just stay in bed and you're like, ah, 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:42.400 I should pee, but then you don't, and then you 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:44.600 dream about like trying to find a bathroom, but you 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:47.920 can't find one all because you just don't want to 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:49.840 leave bed because it's too warm. 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:53.880 You know what's funny is I have this weird, insane 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:57.400 fear of beeing the bed. I don't know why, Like 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:00.640 I've nevergett had then to have that fear, but I do. 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:04.600 I have that fear. And so if that feeling, if 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:07.440 I'm cozy in bed and that feeling hits, I'm like, 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:09.160 I got to do this or else I'm going to 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.840 pee the bed and everyone will find out they'll have 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:15.000 to buy a new mattress. Like I very much have 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:16.320 that thought in my head at all. 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:19.600 I like to roll the dye. Someday it might burn me, 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:22.480 but I like to roll that dye. Yeah, actually, so 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:26.360 with the with the urination for bears, they can still 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:30.240 produce urea, but what they do is they recycle it 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:35.320 into proteins and that means they don't have to pee 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:40.120 and they there because while they're you know, in their 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:42.800 state of torpor, they are converting the fat that they've 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:48.240 built up into usable nutrients to keep them alive, to 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:51.600 keep their muscle mouse from deteriorating. So they're living off 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:55.680 of that. So even though that process does create urea, 0:15:56.040 --> 0:16:00.200 they recycle that into helping them build muscle. There is 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:04.680 actually a paper studying the bear eurothelium, which is the 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:08.360 lining of the urinary tract. The paper is called the 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:13.440 eurothelium of a hibernator, the American Black Bear. So like 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:15.840 just so you know, like a lot of people still 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:20.080 call what bears do hibernation, even like researchers and biologists, 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:20.960 even though. 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:25.680 It's colloquialism at this point, like it's a widely it's 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:29.320 like when literally and figuratively are now interchangeable because the 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:31.920 language has accepted it as so yeah. 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:34.400 No, exactly, and it's like it's a subtle distinction, right, 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:38.800 Like true hibernators their body temperature drops and bears theres don't. 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:41.040 They can wake up easier, so it's like it's a 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:42.000 subtle delineation. 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:46.800 My question for your New England listeners is when Katie 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:50.400 said black Bear, did you guys immediately because of what 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:52.440 we've been talking about, did all of you start thinking 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:58.400 about Clark's Trading Post in New Hampshire. Because Clark's Trading 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:02.480 Post is a very famous New England attraction that is 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:09.639 propagated and sort of pushed as this big trained black 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:15.080 bear haven. It is the most New England kind of 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:18.880 quote theme park slash experience that you could possibly imagine, 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:22.159 where it's just trained black bears and weird stuff the 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:26.080 whole time, but it's an aggressively New England thing. 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:28.359 Is that the one where like the bears stand on 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:30.320 their hind legs or something. 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:32.560 For They do a lot of stuff. They climb up 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:35.520 poles for fun, they like roll around in barrels, they 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:41.040 eat ice cream, they live like they do. I'm assuming 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:43.040 that the version of ice cream that they have is 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:45.800 something that they make for the bears. I'm not going 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:48.400 to pretend that I know enough about Clark's Trading Post 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:51.800 to guarantee you that these are not abused bears. But 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:53.399 what I can tell you is I have seen the 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:54.280 bears many times. 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:57.840 Yeah, I mean yeah, I don't want to make any 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:02.399 judgments not knowing exactly what what it is, but in general, 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:06.080 I'm skeptical. I'm always skeptical of like when animals are 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:10.480 in entertainment, like SeaWorld or this Clark's Trading Post. 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:13.080 But yeah, and nothing can be like, oh, well, we've 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:15.000 been doing it for so long. I'm like, yeah, that 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:18.480 kind of makes me feel like, you guys did it worse. Yeah, yeah, 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:22.240 it's Clark's Bears. Do they call it Clark's Bears now? 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:26.040 They literally changed the name named Clark's Trading Post until 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:27.400 twenty nineteen. This is huge. 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:29.800 I mean, it does make sense if your main thing 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:33.119 is bears to have bears in the title, because like 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:35.840 when it's like Clark's Trading Post, that sounds super boring. 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:39.160 If you're like Clark's Bears that eat ice cream, now 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:40.120 you've got something. 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:43.639 If you do a quick cursory Google image search, the 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:46.560 second photo will give you the entire gist of what 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:50.000 Clark's Bears. I hate saying that Clark's Trading Post is 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:53.919 all about, because there's like a weird mountain man that 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:57.879 like chases the train tour. There's trained bears. It is 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:02.159 a glorious experience. And coming on here talking about bears, 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:04.719 I would feel like it was my duty to at 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:09.680 least say there is an absolute trained bear theme park 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:11.600 that was from my health. 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:15.200 There's like a bear in a small car. Look, I'm 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:18.440 not gonna lie and say like I don't get some 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:21.720 kind of you know, enjoyment out of seeing a bear 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:25.639 in a tiny car. But I don't think this is 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:26.880 probably the best thing. 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:28.760 For the bears, probably not the most ethical. 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:31.760 Not probably not the most ethical thing for these bears. 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:36.040 I get it, you know, I like, I understand that 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:39.560 they're my footprints are bloody in the world of of 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:42.560 of consumption and entertainment, I recognize this. 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:46.920 Yeah, I mean, you know this is this is exploitation 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:49.920 is woven into the fabric of America. What can you say? 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:55.439 But uh, but in this uh, in this paper, I know, 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:58.600 I know, like talking about bears in tiny cars sounds 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:02.600 really interesting, But what about it paper on the Eurothelium? 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:04.000 Jeff does that not? 0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:04.240 Also? 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:10.719 Yeah? Exactly so? So they My point in bringing up 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:14.880 this paper is that it actually so they like were 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:17.520 doing studies of the bear urinary track because of this 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:20.240 interesting way in which these bears hibernate and they don't 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:25.080 urinate like during hibernation. But like, so they went through 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:27.639 this whole thing of like they used euthanized bears to 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:31.280 like look at their urinary tracts, and in this section 0:20:31.720 --> 0:20:34.400 where they were they had discussed the properties of these 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:37.520 euthanized bears, like the cause why they were euthanizeding, you know, 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:40.440 very sad like some of them like hit by car. 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:43.480 Or abandoned driven by another bear, by a. 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:46.439 Tiny car driven by another bear. Horrifying bears. 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:48.720 I worked at a trucking company where a truck driver 0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:52.280 ran over a bear. Oh god, and just like didn't 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:55.000 report it. He just kept going, no, you could realized, 0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:57.919 and then like immediately all of his lights went on, 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:01.200 just like absolutely destroyed his truck. 0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:04.840 Yeah, no, he ran over a bear. Yeah you can't. 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:07.320 I also think you have to report it, right if 0:21:07.359 --> 0:21:07.720 you hit. 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:10.320 A bear, you'd think so, And I think he thought 0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:11.320 he might not have. 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:15.520 To, and then do I'm pretty sure, Well, especially if 0:21:15.560 --> 0:21:18.520 you're a bear law doctor, trailer shuts down, yeah, and 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:20.320 you're like, well, there's no way of getting around this, 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:21.160 I hit a bear. 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:26.239 Yeah, yeah, so that's very unfortunate. But there were some 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:31.360 bears that were euthanized because they were called nuisance bears, 0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:34.760 which I guess is the technical term for bears who 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:40.040 are interacting with humans in a less than ideal wayl bears, 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:43.719 No exactly, I mean rebel bears, bear rebels without a cause. 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:46.439 I just add out some pause. 0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:51.440 Yeah, I mean pretty sure they don't have pause anymore. 0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:55.560 They've probably been have some other researchers studying bear pause, 0:21:56.880 --> 0:21:58.760 but yeah, I mean it is. It's one of those 0:21:58.800 --> 0:22:01.080 things where it's like I get it right, Like if 0:22:01.080 --> 0:22:04.640 you have a bear who's going around neighborhoods, you know, 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:08.639 getting into stuff and like interacting with humans or being aggressive, 0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:11.679 Like I get why they have to euthanize them, but like, 0:22:11.760 --> 0:22:14.399 do we have to add insult to injury by calling 0:22:14.440 --> 0:22:17.679 them nuisance bears? That feels like we're blaming the bears 0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:20.679 way too much. Like it's not really the bear's fault 0:22:20.760 --> 0:22:23.840 that there's like a suburb near them that has trash 0:22:23.880 --> 0:22:27.439 cans full of ice cream that they can get and 0:22:27.480 --> 0:22:29.000 then when they do you know what I. 0:22:29.040 --> 0:22:31.800 Mean, Yeah, they got to do what deer did and 0:22:31.880 --> 0:22:35.680 just create a new disease for to combat suburban sprawl. 0:22:36.760 --> 0:22:39.919 Like lime disease exists because the deer were like, screw 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:45.240 these guys starting Connecticut, by the way, another New England tradition. 0:22:45.440 --> 0:22:49.119 Oh yeah, brain bears and lime disease. Is there nothing 0:22:49.240 --> 0:22:49.919 we can't. 0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:53.160 Do, Like there are a ton of lime in Martha's vineyard. 0:22:54.400 --> 0:22:57.280 Probably I think there's, like because it's like weird, it's 0:22:57.359 --> 0:23:00.800 something that like there's a lot of lime disease and 0:23:00.880 --> 0:23:03.520 like wealthy people because they all get it from Martha's 0:23:03.560 --> 0:23:05.040 vineyard or somewhere nearby. 0:23:05.640 --> 0:23:08.520 Yeah, it would make sense too, because here's the here's 0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:11.120 the tragedy is the more outside you are, the more 0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:13.520 apt you are to get it because deer ticks are 0:23:13.640 --> 0:23:16.680 a much harder to spot tick, yeah than your standard 0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:20.160 would tick. So yeah, so we would, we would. We 0:23:20.160 --> 0:23:21.840 were taught, you know, because I grew up in the 0:23:21.920 --> 0:23:24.879 eighties and nineties, so that was when lime disease was 0:23:24.920 --> 0:23:29.200 like all the rage. Yeah, so so we were we 0:23:29.600 --> 0:23:31.800 had to be very very careful to look out for 0:23:31.880 --> 0:23:33.680 those and my brother ended up getting it. 0:23:33.800 --> 0:23:36.800 Oh oh no, I'm sorry, it's his fault. 0:23:37.920 --> 0:23:41.399 These bears However, they're not nuisances. They're just cool. 0:23:41.680 --> 0:23:44.760 Yeah, I know, like calling them like nuisance sparits, it's like, 0:23:44.800 --> 0:23:49.639 could we call them something else, like, you know, yeah, 0:23:49.640 --> 0:23:50.280 cool bears. 0:23:50.359 --> 0:23:52.280 The spirits had to take out some cool bears and 0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:53.280 everybody would get it. 0:23:53.600 --> 0:23:55.720 Yeah, like we had to ethanized the spar for being 0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:59.239 too cool, which is a tragedy, but you know what 0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:05.000 I mean, like, yeah, this is like the this is 0:24:05.040 --> 0:24:09.480 the body and Clyde of bears. It's you know, so yeah, 0:24:09.600 --> 0:24:11.639 I get it. I get why they have to use 0:24:11.680 --> 0:24:13.199 the nize of them, but can we give them a 0:24:13.280 --> 0:24:19.360 nicer label? Anyways, So after winter, bears will emerge from 0:24:19.400 --> 0:24:23.160 their dens and their metabolism will slowly kick back into gear. 0:24:24.160 --> 0:24:27.919 Sometimes they will lap up snow fleas to kind of 0:24:28.000 --> 0:24:31.600 like as an appetizer before they fully get their appetite. 0:24:31.680 --> 0:24:36.760 So snow fleas are actually tiny black springtail hexapods. They're 0:24:36.800 --> 0:24:42.000 these little little hexapods that can survive and live in snow. 0:24:42.359 --> 0:24:46.600 We actually did a podcast about this, I think last winter, 0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:51.720 about ice worms. So they're not really fleas, they're not parasites, 0:24:52.960 --> 0:24:55.960 but they feed on organic matter in leaf litter and 0:24:56.080 --> 0:24:59.160 in snow and they're teeny tiny, but there's so many 0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:03.520 of them that base these bears are like great protein popsicles, 0:25:03.720 --> 0:25:07.600 and we'll like lick at like melting snow or the 0:25:07.720 --> 0:25:09.879 leaf litter and just have kind of like these like 0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:15.240 protein popsicles that looks like kind of a really organic 0:25:15.320 --> 0:25:18.760 mint ice cream. But the mint chips are bugs. 0:25:20.400 --> 0:25:23.880 Honestly, I mean, let's give that a dry Let's call 0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:25.000 saltan straw and the. 0:25:26.520 --> 0:25:29.920 Flavor saltan straw. So I miss saltan stra so much. 0:25:30.040 --> 0:25:32.040 I think it's a California thing, right. 0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:34.639 It's a West Coast thing. I believe it's actually a 0:25:34.640 --> 0:25:35.680 Portland thing to say. 0:25:35.720 --> 0:25:38.520 Okay, okay, so it's a West Coast thing. Man, if 0:25:38.520 --> 0:25:40.200 you live on the West Coast or you visit the 0:25:40.240 --> 0:25:43.399 West Coast, saltan Straw is the best ice cream place 0:25:44.160 --> 0:25:47.399 I've ever been To't. 0:25:46.119 --> 0:25:47.800 You the land of Gelato? 0:25:48.600 --> 0:25:53.639 Yes, But honestly, like look no offense to to northern 0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:58.119 Italy where there is some amazing gelato. Salt and Straw 0:25:58.280 --> 0:26:01.879 is still really holds its own like it's really good. Also, 0:26:02.240 --> 0:26:05.480 like in the US, they know how to make waffle 0:26:05.560 --> 0:26:08.679 cones really well, whereas here it's much more rare that 0:26:08.760 --> 0:26:14.200 you get asta because they're made out of dry pasta, like. 0:26:14.160 --> 0:26:15.920 They kind of ice cream. We have a. 0:26:15.840 --> 0:26:19.879 Basket, yeah, they we have like a basket out of pasta. No. 0:26:20.040 --> 0:26:23.160 I mean, you know, the gelato is great, especially in Florence. 0:26:23.280 --> 0:26:27.440 But you know, like, honestly, America, you got some amazing 0:26:27.480 --> 0:26:28.760 ice cream there, so be proud. 0:26:29.040 --> 0:26:35.440 Yeah, we have nailed the tastiest, most absolutely terrible. 0:26:35.040 --> 0:26:38.119 Food, right, which is why these bears are eating it 0:26:38.680 --> 0:26:40.160 at the trading post. 0:26:40.720 --> 0:26:43.159 Fish a bear sitting there eating like ice cream and 0:26:43.200 --> 0:26:45.360 a grilled cheese or like, this doesn't seem like this 0:26:45.400 --> 0:26:48.280 is the thing they should be eating. Probably not fairy. 0:26:48.680 --> 0:26:51.040 Is dairy a big thing for bears? Because I don't. 0:26:50.880 --> 0:26:55.720 Really see how that would think so, But you know, 0:26:57.200 --> 0:27:00.119 I still feel like if I saw a bear their 0:27:01.440 --> 0:27:04.320 nose deep into a tub of ice cream, you like, 0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:05.239 you know what good for her? 0:27:06.400 --> 0:27:06.920 Yeah? 0:27:07.320 --> 0:27:09.800 Let it out, girl, be there in your feelings. 0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:12.560 You've had a week. Yeah, you've earned. 0:27:12.320 --> 0:27:15.080 This, you've earned this. Well, we are going to take 0:27:15.119 --> 0:27:17.800 a quick break, but don't go to sleep. When we 0:27:17.880 --> 0:27:20.240 come back, we're going to talk about a couple true 0:27:20.359 --> 0:27:24.239 hibernators that are perhaps not what you typically think of 0:27:24.280 --> 0:27:30.760 when you think hibernation. So, Jeff, did you know that 0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:32.440 snails hibernate? 0:27:33.520 --> 0:27:35.359 Are they true hibernator? 0:27:36.080 --> 0:27:42.200 They are true hibernators. They also estivate, so estivation is hibernation, 0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:47.840 but during hot or dry seasons. So both terrestrial and 0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:52.720 aquatic species of snails can hibernate when the temperature gets 0:27:52.760 --> 0:27:56.320 too low and estivate when the season gets too hot 0:27:56.520 --> 0:28:02.479 or dry. So during hibernation, terrestrial snails such as garden 0:28:02.520 --> 0:28:06.760 snails or fresh water snails like apple snails, will regulate 0:28:06.880 --> 0:28:11.840 their bodily processes to survive the cold, so they are 0:28:11.960 --> 0:28:17.800 true hibernators. Because their metabolic rate drops, their respiratory system, 0:28:18.040 --> 0:28:23.399 their circulatory system, everything like slows down, and their body 0:28:23.440 --> 0:28:28.919 temperature drops. Their body temperature actually basically has to endure 0:28:29.040 --> 0:28:32.680 the ambient cold temperature. One of the problems with freezing 0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:37.080 is that if you freeze like your cells kind of 0:28:38.640 --> 0:28:41.120 get ice crystals in them, and that's really bad. Once 0:28:41.160 --> 0:28:44.280 they start to thaw, they essentially rip apart because of 0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:49.920 these Yeah, exactly, frostbite like that is necrotic tissue because 0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:53.560 your cells have basically been torn asunder by the ice 0:28:53.640 --> 0:28:58.120 crystal formation. But the way a lot of animals, including snails, 0:28:58.160 --> 0:29:01.959 who can survive freezing work is they actually have in 0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:04.680 their blood or in the snails case, hem aloof which 0:29:04.720 --> 0:29:08.520 is basically the bug version of blood. They have anti 0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:12.400 freeze in their blood. So this is like glycerol and 0:29:12.520 --> 0:29:17.320 glucose in their blood that prevents the formation of ice crystals. 0:29:17.840 --> 0:29:20.040 You have anti freeze in your blood. Sounds like a 0:29:20.080 --> 0:29:22.360 grinch lyric. That didn't make it into the song. 0:29:22.480 --> 0:29:27.760 It does, doesn't it? Man? I can hear the voice too. 0:29:28.080 --> 0:29:29.000 Can you do the voice? 0:29:29.160 --> 0:29:32.080 Earl Thurl ravenscrop It's Tony the Tiger. 0:29:32.440 --> 0:29:34.400 Oh he did, Tony the Tiger. 0:29:35.120 --> 0:29:38.440 Yeah, if you listen to the song, it's literally Tony 0:29:38.440 --> 0:29:42.959 the Tiger's voice. He doesn't doesn't really Garler in your soul. 0:29:45.000 --> 0:29:50.080 Mister, Oh my god, oh my god, my mind has 0:29:50.120 --> 0:29:51.040 been blown. 0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:56.160 Two huge Christmas songs. Sorry, I always have to bring 0:29:56.240 --> 0:29:59.640 Christmas into it. Two huge Christmas songs are named are 0:29:59.720 --> 0:30:02.880 sung by people whose last name whose names are you 0:30:03.120 --> 0:30:07.360 are l. 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So they also produce something called 0:31:28.000 --> 0:31:32.280 an epiphragm, which is a temporary mucous membrane that they 0:31:32.320 --> 0:31:36.600 form to reduce water loss in like hot dry conditions, 0:31:36.760 --> 0:31:42.240 or prevent water absorption during too wet conditions, to maintain 0:31:42.280 --> 0:31:44.760 a balance of their bodily fluid because if they dry 0:31:44.800 --> 0:31:48.000 completely out, that's bad. Or if they absorb too much 0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:50.960 water and then they basically don't have the right balance 0:31:51.200 --> 0:31:55.160 of fluids and salt ions, et cetera, like that can 0:31:55.200 --> 0:31:58.000 also be bad. Just like humans, we can either die 0:31:58.560 --> 0:32:01.760 of not having enough water, having too much salt, or 0:32:01.800 --> 0:32:05.760 having too much water and not enough salt. 0:32:06.200 --> 0:32:10.479 Some would say that adding another mucous membrane onto your 0:32:10.480 --> 0:32:15.720 body is gross, and I would say, you're not a snail. 0:32:15.920 --> 0:32:18.440 Yeah, you're not a snail. You're not thinking snail. 0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:21.280 You got to think you're thinking people. Yeah, I don't 0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:23.600 know how. I probably wouldn't do great with an additional 0:32:23.680 --> 0:32:26.160 mucus membrane on me, But not a snail. 0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:29.880 Yeah, I mean, like, I don't. The other cool thing 0:32:29.960 --> 0:32:33.600 about this mucus membrane, this epiphragm, is that they can 0:32:33.680 --> 0:32:36.320 use it to stick onto things. So have you ever 0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:38.760 like had a snail and it's like inside its shell, 0:32:38.800 --> 0:32:41.680 you can't see any of the like meat of the snail. 0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:44.240 You're trying to pull it off of like a tree 0:32:44.680 --> 0:32:46.280 or a rock, but it's like stuck. 0:32:48.240 --> 0:32:51.200 No, you know what, I didn't have access to snails 0:32:51.240 --> 0:32:53.800 when I was a kid. We had slugs, but no snails. 0:32:53.840 --> 0:32:57.280 Well, I'm so sorry. That's that's a terrible childhood to 0:32:57.360 --> 0:32:58.000 not have snails. 0:32:58.120 --> 0:32:59.920 It is, well, we made up for it with the 0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:01.160 lime disease in the transmit. 0:33:02.880 --> 0:33:06.400 Well, I have lots of childhood experience somehow. 0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:08.840 San Diego, we had a lot of snails and I would, 0:33:09.200 --> 0:33:12.040 I guess, harass the snails a lot. I was curious, 0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:14.400 and so I would try to like pick them up, 0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:16.200 but they'd be like stuck, and so you kind of 0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:18.040 like try to pull them off and like it. They'd 0:33:18.040 --> 0:33:20.600 be like the suction and like you could kind of 0:33:20.640 --> 0:33:22.920 rip them off. But I'd kind of feel bad when 0:33:22.920 --> 0:33:24.560 I would do that because it feels like, oh I 0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:28.160 did something, I broke something. Well, what that is is 0:33:28.240 --> 0:33:31.760 the epiphram. It's this temporary mucous membrane. And they would 0:33:32.000 --> 0:33:34.120 probably use this because it would be the summer it 0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:36.640 would be hot and dry, but they can also do 0:33:36.720 --> 0:33:39.480 it in the winter. Both if the winter is too 0:33:39.560 --> 0:33:42.720 dry or if there's too much moisture or cold to 0:33:43.080 --> 0:33:48.200 you know, basically protect their their soft, vulnerable, squishy bodies. 0:33:48.600 --> 0:33:52.320 So another thing is that I have seen on the 0:33:52.360 --> 0:33:57.200 internet too many things, but among them this factoid that 0:33:57.320 --> 0:34:01.480 snails can hibernate for three years. And that sounded wrong 0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:06.280 to me. That sounded right, That doesn't sound right. And 0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:08.719 I love it when I find something like this and 0:34:08.800 --> 0:34:11.000 find out that it's correct. This is not one of 0:34:11.040 --> 0:34:14.640 those times. The longest they can hibernate, as far as 0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:19.920 I can tell, is around four months. And so I 0:34:19.960 --> 0:34:23.120 do not know where this three years figure comes from. 0:34:23.160 --> 0:34:27.800 It seems like it is maybe a rumor or something 0:34:27.880 --> 0:34:31.680 that keeps getting repeated. But I could not find any 0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:35.880 like real sources for this three years thing. I have 0:34:36.440 --> 0:34:40.040 seen that there are multiple studies that they do over 0:34:40.080 --> 0:34:42.480 the course of two to three years, and so I 0:34:42.640 --> 0:34:45.480 wonder and someone was like skimming one of these studies 0:34:45.520 --> 0:34:48.120 and said, like study period was two to three years, 0:34:48.880 --> 0:34:51.960 and they're like, oh, that must be how long the 0:34:52.000 --> 0:34:55.000 snail's hibernating, and it's like, no, that's the duration of 0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:55.480 the study. 0:34:56.000 --> 0:34:59.000 Yeah, So come on, guys, you know how this works. 0:34:59.040 --> 0:35:03.759 You know words this is academia, come on, yeah. 0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:05.280 I mean, to be fair, a lot of academic papers 0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:08.200 are very difficult to understand, and dare I say it, 0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:12.000 sometimes written poorly in a way that's hard to comprehend. 0:35:13.440 --> 0:35:17.400 But yeah, still like, uh, this seems to be wrong. 0:35:17.600 --> 0:35:20.960 If someone out there is like, hey, I actually know 0:35:21.280 --> 0:35:24.080 where this comes from, or that you think it is 0:35:24.200 --> 0:35:26.759 real and you have a source, you could send that 0:35:26.800 --> 0:35:28.879 to me. I would love to be wrong about this 0:35:29.080 --> 0:35:33.919 because hibernating for three years as a snail sounds super chill. 0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:36.120 That's like ultimate cozy. I just don't know. 0:35:36.200 --> 0:35:39.480 It also seems a little wasteful, like how long are 0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:42.640 you living, man, I don't know, three and a half years. 0:35:43.320 --> 0:35:46.560 We want to readjust what we're doing with our time here? 0:35:46.600 --> 0:35:48.480 Our time management needs to be fixed. 0:35:48.560 --> 0:35:50.719 Maybe the snail shell is like a pokey ball and 0:35:50.760 --> 0:35:53.080 there's like a whole universe in there though, you know 0:35:53.120 --> 0:35:55.680 what I mean, Like to the snail, this could. 0:35:55.440 --> 0:35:59.080 Be what an effective Pokemon? That would be right? Get 0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:03.000 out immediately. It's pikachuwed to death, all right, it didn't 0:36:03.000 --> 0:36:04.839 react quick enough, nail. 0:36:05.239 --> 0:36:09.319 Well, you know, snails have their strengths. Combat is not 0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:11.160 generally one of them, but you. 0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:14.120 Know, I mean, to be fair, there might be a 0:36:14.160 --> 0:36:16.040 snail Pokemon that I have no idea. 0:36:16.160 --> 0:36:19.359 There has to be there. I'm googling snail Pokemon because 0:36:19.400 --> 0:36:26.160 there had there has to be snail Pokemon, like weirdly, Uh, 0:36:26.800 --> 0:36:35.000 there's mag mag Cargo, which is a magnum snail. It 0:36:35.000 --> 0:36:38.319 looks like it's made out of lava an obsidian. 0:36:40.000 --> 0:36:43.200 I mean that sounds like a pretty bad ass snail. Yeah, 0:36:43.239 --> 0:36:47.320 there you go, so lava snail. There's some going to 0:36:47.360 --> 0:36:48.720 pick that one up off a tree. 0:36:48.880 --> 0:36:59.040 There's some aquatic looking snails like ohmannite, ohmanite. Yeah. 0:36:59.120 --> 0:37:01.080 Have you ever done a creature feature that was just 0:37:01.200 --> 0:37:06.080 like sort of about the sort of apocrypha of Pokemon? Yeah, 0:37:06.239 --> 0:37:07.759 just play it in a real episode. 0:37:07.840 --> 0:37:10.920 Well no, So I actually had Ellen Weatherford, she hosts 0:37:10.960 --> 0:37:13.640 a podcast called Just the Zoo of Us, and we 0:37:13.719 --> 0:37:18.200 talked about Pokemon and then like the real life animals 0:37:18.239 --> 0:37:22.040 that are seem to either have inspired these Pokemon or 0:37:22.280 --> 0:37:26.280 by coincidence, these Pokemon are very much like real life animals. 0:37:26.320 --> 0:37:31.279 So or that or that one magician that sued Pokemon. 0:37:32.000 --> 0:37:33.240 Someone sued Pokemon. 0:37:33.760 --> 0:37:37.360 Yeah, Urigeller. Urigeller had like an injunction on one of 0:37:37.360 --> 0:37:39.960 the characters, because it was clearly a dig on him. 0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:43.200 It was like this really corrupt It was this corrupt 0:37:43.280 --> 0:37:45.680 magician that would like hold a spoon and he was 0:37:45.719 --> 0:37:48.439 famous for like us as a spoon bender that ended 0:37:48.520 --> 0:37:51.200 up becoming sort of revealed as a fraud. 0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:51.960 Huh. 0:37:52.000 --> 0:37:54.640 And yeah, it was this whole thing. He'd like just 0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:58.160 he just rescinded the lawsuit like very recently. 0:37:58.320 --> 0:38:00.680 But I thought that was like a I thought that 0:38:00.840 --> 0:38:05.239 the fake spoon bending was like a classic thing, right. 0:38:05.080 --> 0:38:08.880 Like I think it's because of your igeller. Really yeah, 0:38:09.000 --> 0:38:12.080 I think it was like a whole thing with Carson. Yeah. Well, 0:38:12.280 --> 0:38:14.200 I mean I think it was like famously like that's 0:38:14.239 --> 0:38:18.799 where like he's the fame famously debunked magician and it 0:38:18.880 --> 0:38:22.120 was like this big scandal. And uh so he like 0:38:22.360 --> 0:38:27.400 just recently rescinded his lawsuit or complaint and like apologized 0:38:27.400 --> 0:38:30.720 to like the children of the world for like, has. 0:38:30.600 --> 0:38:34.880 He apologized to spoons, because like what the hell of 0:38:34.960 --> 0:38:37.760 the spoon's done that He's just like I'm gonna bend 0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:39.840 this perfectly good spoon. 0:38:40.400 --> 0:38:42.640 I mean, I don't know the spoons not have feelings? 0:38:42.640 --> 0:38:43.799 Am I A utensilist. 0:38:43.880 --> 0:38:46.160 If I say that, I just think it's sad to 0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:48.680 be a spoon and then not get used for ice 0:38:48.719 --> 0:38:50.600 cream instead get bent by. 0:38:50.480 --> 0:38:53.880 A jerk, or get kidnapped by a dish. 0:38:54.120 --> 0:38:57.799 Right man, the dish ran away with that spoon, But 0:38:57.840 --> 0:39:01.560 did it ask the spoon for It's what it wanted 0:39:01.600 --> 0:39:03.360 to do? I don't think so. 0:39:03.360 --> 0:39:03.480 So. 0:39:03.960 --> 0:39:09.560 Yeah, snails they can hibernate and uh with that anti 0:39:09.640 --> 0:39:13.080 freeze in their hemal lymph and but they do not. 0:39:13.800 --> 0:39:16.360 I have not seen anything to indicate they can hibernate 0:39:16.400 --> 0:39:18.840 for three years. They can hibernate for around four months, 0:39:19.480 --> 0:39:22.600 which I still think is pretty impressive. Now we're going 0:39:22.680 --> 0:39:25.480 to yeah, no, it's good man, like, why are we 0:39:25.520 --> 0:39:29.800 making stuff up? That's pretty impressive. One of my favorite 0:39:29.840 --> 0:39:34.879 hibernators is actually a completely different animal. This one's acutie. 0:39:34.920 --> 0:39:41.000 It's the fat tailed dwarf leamur. So uh oh yeah, 0:39:41.120 --> 0:39:44.200 I shared a cute little photo with you. These are 0:39:44.360 --> 0:39:49.480 cute little babies that I want to cuddle. Yeah yeah, 0:39:49.520 --> 0:39:52.719 so fat tailed dwarf lemurs. You may have guessed it. 0:39:52.880 --> 0:39:57.200 They have fat tails. We're gonna talk about why so uh. 0:39:57.800 --> 0:40:03.200 They are primates found in in Madagascar, they're pretty small. 0:40:03.239 --> 0:40:06.439 They're only about seven ounces in the summer and nine 0:40:06.480 --> 0:40:10.520 ounces when they fatten those tails up in the winter. 0:40:10.800 --> 0:40:13.920 And you know, Jeff, can you guess why they fatten 0:40:13.960 --> 0:40:15.920 their tails up in the winter. 0:40:16.600 --> 0:40:18.439 I don't feel like I need to guess on this one. 0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:21.080 I feel like it's pretty much been established that this 0:40:21.120 --> 0:40:24.360 is where they store their fat and nutrients, yes, for 0:40:24.480 --> 0:40:27.960 their torpor or their their hibernation or whatever they can do. 0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:33.400 Exactly exactly, so these can be considered true hibernators because 0:40:33.440 --> 0:40:37.359 they kind of meet all the requirements. Their metabolism slows down, 0:40:37.400 --> 0:40:41.240 their heart rate, breathing all slows down, and their temperature 0:40:41.320 --> 0:40:47.040 drops and that fat tail allows them to hibernate without 0:40:47.600 --> 0:40:52.280 needing to feed. So just as bears developed that big 0:40:52.320 --> 0:40:57.880 belly for winter, these dwarf flamers developed this like fat tail. 0:40:58.000 --> 0:41:00.520 They put all their fat in this tail. I mean 0:41:00.640 --> 0:41:03.080 we see this in other animals right where they kind 0:41:03.120 --> 0:41:06.640 of store fat in these localized regions like a camel's hump, 0:41:06.840 --> 0:41:10.400 not filled with water, actually filled with fat to allow 0:41:10.480 --> 0:41:15.200 them to survive long periods of time without eating. But 0:41:15.640 --> 0:41:18.520 this means that fat tailed dwarf lemurs are actually the 0:41:18.520 --> 0:41:23.120 only primates known to hibernate. Yeah, which is. 0:41:23.080 --> 0:41:24.719 Really interesting, so exciting for them. 0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:26.760 Yeah, good for them. Look these little guys. 0:41:27.280 --> 0:41:30.040 What what Mada Gascar movie? Do they address that in? 0:41:30.360 --> 0:41:33.759 Oh gosh, you know what? Like they have so many 0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:38.120 fun like like actual animals in those movies, like Fosses 0:41:38.960 --> 0:41:41.719 and a bunch of different lemurs who I think I 0:41:41.760 --> 0:41:47.839 think basically all of the lemur characters are actual lemurs, Like, yeah, 0:41:47.880 --> 0:41:50.120 I don't think they made any lemurs up. And there's 0:41:50.160 --> 0:41:55.440 a lot of them, Like Madagascar is lemur Land essentially, 0:41:56.480 --> 0:41:57.600 so that there could. 0:41:57.360 --> 0:42:01.120 Definitely They eat ice cream and they play around in barrel. 0:42:02.200 --> 0:42:05.440 Pretty much the closest thing lemurs get to a resort. 0:42:06.560 --> 0:42:09.000 But yeah, like it's it's like a lot of these 0:42:09.080 --> 0:42:12.840 these lemurs are endemic to Madagascar, meaning they're not found 0:42:12.880 --> 0:42:17.799 anywhere else. So there is this research center called Duke 0:42:17.920 --> 0:42:20.480 Lemur Center, and they've done a lot of research on 0:42:20.600 --> 0:42:23.840 lemurs in general, including these fat tailed dwarf lemurs. 0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:26.279 And you say Duke, you just mean like Duke University. 0:42:26.760 --> 0:42:32.040 Yeah, but it's Duke Lemur Center. Be fun, Yeah, and 0:42:32.080 --> 0:42:34.480 you know what, Like I feel like I would I 0:42:34.480 --> 0:42:36.360 would love to be a card carrying member of the 0:42:36.440 --> 0:42:40.520 Duke Lemur Center. So they've done all this research on 0:42:40.640 --> 0:42:46.320 these dwarf fat tailed dwarf lemurs. It's actually really cute 0:42:46.400 --> 0:42:50.480 because they have they have like lemurs that they studied 0:42:50.480 --> 0:42:53.040 that are in captivity, but they you know, they make 0:42:53.080 --> 0:42:57.080 sure their environment is really really good and they like 0:42:57.160 --> 0:42:59.880 to hibernate and sleep in like little nooks and crannies 0:43:00.040 --> 0:43:03.759 inside trees, and so they've you know, done all these 0:43:03.760 --> 0:43:06.480 things where they try to like recreate these spaces for 0:43:06.520 --> 0:43:10.640 them and apparently like they've had basically these cute little 0:43:10.680 --> 0:43:13.680 like fabric nests and like all these like very cozy 0:43:13.719 --> 0:43:18.520 looking things. But their favorite thing is PVC pipes. Like 0:43:18.560 --> 0:43:24.040 the lemurs love going to sleep in PVC pipes. Same, yeah, man, 0:43:24.400 --> 0:43:26.200 Like you want to just curl up into a little 0:43:26.280 --> 0:43:28.600 ball and be in a PVC pipe? Who doesn't? 0:43:29.000 --> 0:43:32.840 I really do? I really do want them, That's. 0:43:31.960 --> 0:43:34.720 What That's how like whenever I'm like working with my plumbing, 0:43:35.400 --> 0:43:37.640 I'm like, man, I wish I could shrink down and 0:43:37.680 --> 0:43:39.800 curl up and go to sleep in this you trap. 0:43:40.640 --> 0:43:42.760 Yeah. I hope they don't fall asleep in a potato 0:43:42.800 --> 0:43:45.560 gun though, because that could be a problem, could be. 0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:49.160 A problem, could be really cool, But you know, it's 0:43:49.200 --> 0:43:53.400 just a matter of perspective. So yeah, the their research 0:43:53.600 --> 0:43:57.640 has found that these uh fat tailed dwarf lemurs can 0:43:57.760 --> 0:44:02.480 rouse from hibernation every six to twelve days and hibernate 0:44:02.520 --> 0:44:05.160 for up to seven months. So just because you're hibernating 0:44:05.200 --> 0:44:08.120 doesn't mean you can't occasionally, like wake up during the winter. 0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:13.000 Like some hibernators, especially like smaller hibernators, will wake up 0:44:13.040 --> 0:44:18.279 occasionally to move around, maybe even eat something like if 0:44:18.280 --> 0:44:23.320 they have something stored, and then go back. Yeah, exactly. 0:44:25.600 --> 0:44:28.040 But it is harder for hibernators to wake up in 0:44:28.160 --> 0:44:31.960 response to say, a threat, versus just torpoor. So if 0:44:31.960 --> 0:44:34.080 you're just in torpor, you can wake up more quickly 0:44:34.400 --> 0:44:37.400 if there's something threatening. If you're in hibernation, it's actually 0:44:37.600 --> 0:44:41.360 a good deal more difficult for your body to rouse 0:44:41.440 --> 0:44:45.120 from that even if there's a threat. So finding a 0:44:45.160 --> 0:44:50.080 good hidden PVC pipe is very important because these guys 0:44:50.160 --> 0:44:53.680 live in Madagascar. They're not protecting themselves from the cold 0:44:53.680 --> 0:44:56.880 and the snow because it doesn't get that cold in Madagascar. 0:44:57.800 --> 0:45:02.880 It's instead believe that they're protecting themselves from drought where 0:45:03.120 --> 0:45:06.040 like in the winter, because it's really hard to get 0:45:06.239 --> 0:45:10.080 enough nutrients. So like they feed on insects, fruits, and flowers, 0:45:10.120 --> 0:45:11.719 and so these things are going to be harder to 0:45:11.800 --> 0:45:14.600 find during a drought, and so they're just like I'm 0:45:14.640 --> 0:45:18.120 gonna eat a bunch of stuff, put it all in 0:45:18.239 --> 0:45:20.879 my tail fat, and then when there's not as much 0:45:20.920 --> 0:45:21.719 food around, just. 0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:25.680 Go to sleep, Go to sleep with my big fat tail. 0:45:26.040 --> 0:45:28.400 Yeah, just wrap that, man, you could also use it 0:45:28.440 --> 0:45:31.080 as a pillow. It's just it's such a good idea, 0:45:31.719 --> 0:45:33.520 like this is Yeah, it's a lot. 0:45:33.400 --> 0:45:34.520 Of opportunities with that. 0:45:34.920 --> 0:45:37.200 Yeah. No, absolutely, I. 0:45:37.120 --> 0:45:39.040 Store the food I eat in my ass a lot too. 0:45:39.120 --> 0:45:41.839 So that makes it, does it? Is it? You know 0:45:41.960 --> 0:45:44.680 like Thanksgiving butt is a more comfortable butt. 0:45:44.719 --> 0:45:49.520 I gotta say, yeah, you're we're in prime. But right now, 0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:52.719 these these these months that we've been in, you know, 0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:56.160 it's just like really just we're getting ready to hibernate as. 0:45:56.080 --> 0:45:58.239 Humans, though we don't really get to. We don't like 0:45:58.360 --> 0:46:02.680 store all our fat like in one perfect pillowy location. 0:46:02.920 --> 0:46:06.680 It goes wherever it goes, usually based on a combination 0:46:06.760 --> 0:46:10.160 of genetics and your activity or whatever. But it would 0:46:10.160 --> 0:46:12.120 be really nice if it's like, yeah, I just want 0:46:12.120 --> 0:46:14.759 my fat to go in like my butt or my 0:46:14.880 --> 0:46:18.959 tail so I can use it as a pillow. So yeah, 0:46:19.160 --> 0:46:21.440 I feel like these dwarf lemurs really have it figured 0:46:21.480 --> 0:46:30.600 out west. So yeah. Also, according to this Duke Leamer 0:46:30.680 --> 0:46:34.360 Center's research, these little guys tails account for around forty 0:46:34.440 --> 0:46:40.560 percent of their body weight, and during hibernation, their breathing 0:46:40.600 --> 0:46:43.879 can drop to a rate of about one breath per 0:46:44.400 --> 0:46:47.839 ten minutes and their heart rate drops to about one 0:46:47.920 --> 0:46:51.040 beat every ten seconds. 0:46:51.640 --> 0:46:56.000 I mean, that's it's pretty great. That's like college I 0:46:56.000 --> 0:46:57.319 mean college athlete level. 0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:02.200 I mean, I know that some people can't hold their 0:47:02.200 --> 0:47:06.000 breath for a really long time, like they're divers who 0:47:06.400 --> 0:47:08.600 like work on it and practice it. I think there 0:47:08.640 --> 0:47:12.479 are some divers who can get near that level, right 0:47:12.840 --> 0:47:14.640 of holding your breath for that long. 0:47:16.360 --> 0:47:19.680 Yeah, I know that they're like like three minutes tends 0:47:19.719 --> 0:47:23.359 to be like a big threshold for people like your 0:47:23.400 --> 0:47:26.279 average person. And then it was it ranks up. I 0:47:26.280 --> 0:47:28.520 remember I was running for a while and I got 0:47:28.560 --> 0:47:30.799 my heart rate tested when I was running, and it 0:47:30.840 --> 0:47:34.280 was like really good. It was like forty two beats 0:47:34.280 --> 0:47:35.319 a minute. Or something like that. 0:47:35.360 --> 0:47:35.560 Nice. 0:47:35.600 --> 0:47:38.680 It was like really impressive. My breath holding is so bad. 0:47:39.719 --> 0:47:44.319 I don't know how to do it. Brain it. I'm like, 0:47:44.520 --> 0:47:45.399 I don't think I can. 0:47:45.920 --> 0:47:49.840 Yeah, I just I did a quick Google search and apparently, 0:47:50.080 --> 0:47:55.399 like there are some professional divers who have held their 0:47:55.400 --> 0:48:00.960 breath for over twenty minutes, which is just ridiculous. You 0:48:01.000 --> 0:48:04.120 can't do you can't. I want to caution everyone, you 0:48:04.160 --> 0:48:06.480 cannot do that. You can't just like you can't do that. 0:48:06.640 --> 0:48:08.960 You cannot decide I'm going to go try to do that. 0:48:09.000 --> 0:48:12.319 There have been people who have drowned trying to hold 0:48:12.360 --> 0:48:15.600 their breath in the pool, Like people who are practicing, 0:48:15.760 --> 0:48:17.640 like say they want to be a good surfer or 0:48:17.640 --> 0:48:20.480 a good diver or something, and they practice holding their breath. 0:48:20.960 --> 0:48:23.000 If you want to do that, you need a buddy. 0:48:23.280 --> 0:48:25.319 You need to be there with someone, because if you 0:48:25.400 --> 0:48:28.960 do that alone, you can lose consciousness and drown, which 0:48:28.960 --> 0:48:31.919 and it has happened really sadly. But yeah, to work 0:48:31.960 --> 0:48:34.960 your way up to that long it takes I would 0:48:34.960 --> 0:48:40.879 imagine years and years of practice. And you know it's 0:48:40.920 --> 0:48:43.520 not it's like any kind of like you can't just 0:48:43.560 --> 0:48:46.480 like lift an enormous weight because you decide to try 0:48:46.520 --> 0:48:50.160 really hard one day. But you know it is true 0:48:50.160 --> 0:48:53.880 that with like you can responsibly trained to hold your 0:48:53.920 --> 0:48:58.279 breath for longer, with a coach or someone to spot you. 0:48:59.160 --> 0:49:02.160 Or just on a thing to couch, a fainting couch. 0:49:02.880 --> 0:49:04.640 That's what they were invented for. 0:49:06.040 --> 0:49:08.000 To hold your breath in the Victorian age. 0:49:09.200 --> 0:49:11.640 Anyways, we're gonna take a quick break and when we 0:49:11.719 --> 0:49:17.480 get back, we're gonna talk about penguin micro sleeps. All right, 0:49:17.560 --> 0:49:22.040 we are back, and Jeff, penguins are cute. 0:49:21.840 --> 0:49:26.919 Right, I think that, well sort of. There's that one 0:49:27.000 --> 0:49:28.160 with the red eyes and the. 0:49:28.160 --> 0:49:31.440 Yellow like a rock hopper penguin. 0:49:31.960 --> 0:49:35.040 Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna say no that that's an ugly 0:49:35.080 --> 0:49:35.720 ass penguin. 0:49:35.800 --> 0:49:38.840 Well, chin strap penguins are some of the cutest penguins. 0:49:39.080 --> 0:49:43.320 They They are these little guys who live on islands 0:49:43.360 --> 0:49:47.399 near the Antarctic or Southern Pacific Ocean waters. They have 0:49:47.520 --> 0:49:53.799 this characteristic strap of black feathers that go under their chin, 0:49:54.000 --> 0:49:57.239 and then they also have like a black cap on 0:49:57.320 --> 0:49:59.600 their heads, so it looks like they're wearing like a 0:49:59.640 --> 0:50:02.040 little black helmet with like a chin strap. 0:50:02.560 --> 0:50:04.760 It looks like they have little cartoon faces. 0:50:04.880 --> 0:50:10.520 They're adorable, and I must have one. I must, I 0:50:10.600 --> 0:50:16.600 must illegally acquire this penguin. So they they are adorable. Uh. 0:50:16.640 --> 0:50:21.000 And they are, but they're they're not the biggest penguins. Uh. 0:50:21.040 --> 0:50:23.520 And they have a lot of stuff to worry about. 0:50:23.960 --> 0:50:26.840 So how do they get a good night's sleep? Well, 0:50:27.560 --> 0:50:32.359 there was some research by Leborel a all, sorry, let 0:50:32.400 --> 0:50:34.279 me do that again because I got too French with 0:50:34.320 --> 0:50:40.440 that Liborel at all, who strapped sensors onto the chin straps. 0:50:40.520 --> 0:50:42.640 So they already got their chin straps. Now they got 0:50:42.680 --> 0:50:45.680 sensor straps. These are strap strap penguins. 0:50:47.640 --> 0:50:47.920 Uh. 0:50:47.960 --> 0:50:52.719 And they measured their brain activity and motion. They used 0:50:52.840 --> 0:50:57.480 like this remote electro encephalogram uh. And they found that 0:50:57.680 --> 0:51:02.200 the penguins engaged in my grow sleeps, which were four 0:51:02.320 --> 0:51:06.960 second long bouts of dozing, so like four second naps 0:51:07.880 --> 0:51:10.239 around ten thousand times a day. 0:51:12.000 --> 0:51:15.799 Well, okay, like in my head, I'm like is there, 0:51:16.000 --> 0:51:19.000 I'm like doing them? Are there forty thousand seconds? Yeah? 0:51:19.040 --> 0:51:22.120 That's forty no, no, yeah, there are forty thousand seconds in 0:51:22.160 --> 0:51:26.080 a day, because this is about eleven hours of tiny naps. 0:51:26.920 --> 0:51:30.520 Yeah, so there's ninety thousand seconds in a day roughly. 0:51:30.840 --> 0:51:35.279 Yeah, yes, that map is probably wrong math. No, that 0:51:35.440 --> 0:51:40.440 sounds right ish almost sure almost so yeah, forty thousand 0:51:40.480 --> 0:51:44.160 seconds of tiny naps, which is about eleven hours total 0:51:44.320 --> 0:51:47.600 of tiny naps. And so this is really interesting, right 0:51:47.600 --> 0:51:50.319 because you'd think, like, well, but sleep in order to 0:51:50.360 --> 0:51:53.440 be good sleep, you need like long sleep. You need 0:51:53.480 --> 0:51:55.560 to like really kind of get into it. You can't 0:51:55.600 --> 0:51:57.200 just have like little tiny sleeps. 0:51:57.560 --> 0:52:01.960 Well like little Einstein's right line signs, wasn't that his thing? 0:52:02.680 --> 0:52:07.520 Like, yeah, little naps, little cat naps, that's true. 0:52:07.760 --> 0:52:09.360 Call catnaps, penguin naps. 0:52:09.560 --> 0:52:11.280 We should call them penguin naps. 0:52:11.400 --> 0:52:14.480 I guess chaps chin strap penguin nap. 0:52:14.680 --> 0:52:17.160 Yeah, that's like a really fast one. That's like head 0:52:17.200 --> 0:52:18.920 down on the table and then you lift it back 0:52:19.000 --> 0:52:20.600 up so fast you get whiplash. 0:52:21.200 --> 0:52:23.879 So that means that you fell asleep and then hit 0:52:24.480 --> 0:52:26.560 the table and then you're like, that's. 0:52:26.400 --> 0:52:30.640 A chin strap nap. So, uh the yeah, they found 0:52:30.800 --> 0:52:36.360 that these penguins were still able to successfully nest, forage 0:52:37.640 --> 0:52:41.440 all the normal penguin behaviors. Uh. So the question is, well, 0:52:41.440 --> 0:52:44.040 why are they doing these micro sleeps rather than like 0:52:44.440 --> 0:52:46.319 just a full night of sleep or even like an 0:52:46.320 --> 0:52:49.400 hour nap at a time. The idea is that this 0:52:49.480 --> 0:52:53.120 might be too risky for the little penguins because the 0:52:53.160 --> 0:52:56.839 way that they they protect their offspring is they have, 0:52:56.960 --> 0:53:00.600 like you have a couple of parents that they're both 0:53:01.040 --> 0:53:03.720 looking after the egg and the chick, and so one 0:53:03.800 --> 0:53:06.759 has to like incubate the egg or keep the chick 0:53:06.840 --> 0:53:10.080 warm and protect it while the other one goes out 0:53:10.080 --> 0:53:12.719 and forge, and then they have to switch off. And 0:53:12.960 --> 0:53:16.160 so there's not a lot of time for napping in 0:53:16.200 --> 0:53:22.759 that situation, especially when you have rampaging birds like scuas 0:53:23.160 --> 0:53:27.520 who go around trying to steal eggs or chicks right 0:53:27.560 --> 0:53:31.560 from underneath these penguins. And so the penguins must be 0:53:31.760 --> 0:53:35.359 vigilant at almost all times. And even the adults have 0:53:35.440 --> 0:53:40.560 their fair share predators like leopard seals. So they've got 0:53:40.560 --> 0:53:42.719 to protect their egg, they got to protect their chick, 0:53:42.840 --> 0:53:44.719 and they have to go out and forge for like 0:53:45.280 --> 0:53:48.439 two you know, for their partner and for their chick. 0:53:48.960 --> 0:53:50.960 So it's a lot of stuff going on. So like 0:53:51.280 --> 0:53:53.759 the best way it seems for them to get their 0:53:54.280 --> 0:53:57.040 rest are these four second naps. 0:53:57.200 --> 0:53:59.719 Little micro naps, little micropus delightful. 0:54:00.200 --> 0:54:04.400 It does. I feel like human, Like new human parents 0:54:04.760 --> 0:54:07.920 would be really envious of these micro sleeps. 0:54:08.320 --> 0:54:10.239 This is how I sleep on planes, by the way. 0:54:10.320 --> 0:54:13.680 Oh yeah, oh it's so weird man. Plane sleep where 0:54:13.680 --> 0:54:15.920 you fall asleep and then you wake up and you're 0:54:15.960 --> 0:54:17.399 like that must have been an hour, and you look 0:54:17.400 --> 0:54:20.160 at the clock and it's like that was five minutes. 0:54:20.440 --> 0:54:23.279 Three minutes. Yeah, yeah, I always think I can, Like 0:54:23.280 --> 0:54:24.840 whenever I would go home, I used to take the 0:54:24.880 --> 0:54:27.719 Red Eye and I would be like, you know, I'm 0:54:27.719 --> 0:54:29.680 going to sleep on the plane. This time. It turns 0:54:29.719 --> 0:54:33.000 out I'm too big to sleep. Yeah, Like there's no 0:54:33.120 --> 0:54:35.960 comfort when you're when you're of a certain height, Like 0:54:36.080 --> 0:54:40.320 you can't comfortably sleep, there's no like you're it messes 0:54:40.320 --> 0:54:42.160 every part of your body up. And I was so 0:54:42.320 --> 0:54:45.960 stupid I forget every time, So all of my sleeps 0:54:46.000 --> 0:54:47.600 would be like me falling asleep and then wake up 0:54:47.600 --> 0:54:49.279 and be like that was eight seconds. Yeah, that was 0:54:49.280 --> 0:54:50.520 an eight second. 0:54:50.840 --> 0:54:55.240 I very much sympathize. I am a small and compact person, 0:54:55.360 --> 0:54:59.000 so I can sleep on planes. But my husband is not, 0:54:59.320 --> 0:55:04.000 and he he has a lot of trouble just even 0:55:04.120 --> 0:55:09.080 kind of like sitting planes are really like made for 0:55:10.040 --> 0:55:13.800 us sort of average smaller folk, which I think is unfair. 0:55:14.840 --> 0:55:20.359 It's like turn of the century Eastern European factory workers, right, 0:55:20.400 --> 0:55:22.560 Like that's exactly like that's when I was like house 0:55:22.560 --> 0:55:25.719 shopping back in Massachusetts, Like that's who the houses were 0:55:25.760 --> 0:55:28.040 made for half the time. So I wouldn't fit in 0:55:28.080 --> 0:55:30.239 the room because I'd be like, this is for where 0:55:30.239 --> 0:55:32.840 the tallest person was five to nine, And I'd be like, 0:55:32.920 --> 0:55:35.359 that's fair. I can't walk through this house. I'm not 0:55:35.520 --> 0:55:38.560 going to pay money for it, right, same thing with planes, 0:55:38.640 --> 0:55:41.880 Like it's tough. These penguins, however, they would do great 0:55:42.600 --> 0:55:47.400 on these planes. And imagine getting on a plane and 0:55:47.440 --> 0:55:49.840 it was just a sea of those penguins in each season. 0:55:49.880 --> 0:55:52.600 I would smell horrible, but I'd love it. 0:55:52.840 --> 0:55:55.320 Like probably it would probably be very cold in there. 0:55:55.480 --> 0:56:00.319 It would smell like rotting fish, probably like fish arts 0:56:00.520 --> 0:56:01.279 essentially like. 0:56:01.320 --> 0:56:03.560 A Spirit airline, just like Spirit. 0:56:03.320 --> 0:56:07.560 Airlines, so it wouldn't be that different actually, So yeah, 0:56:07.640 --> 0:56:11.120 that is an amazing superpower that these chin strap penguins have. 0:56:11.200 --> 0:56:14.120 I'm incredibly jealous. And I'm actually a very good napper, 0:56:14.400 --> 0:56:16.600 but my naps tend to be longer, like about an 0:56:16.640 --> 0:56:18.840 hour at least at a time, Like I wish I 0:56:18.840 --> 0:56:24.600 could do really short naps. I'm sorry, I love napping 0:56:24.640 --> 0:56:25.160 so much. 0:56:25.880 --> 0:56:28.960 If the sun is out, I'm awake, Like, for example, 0:56:29.080 --> 0:56:32.719 like I woke up at five thirty this morning, not 0:56:32.800 --> 0:56:36.840 by choice, but I because I'm an early morning person, 0:56:37.080 --> 0:56:39.840 and once if the sun peaks through my window, my 0:56:39.920 --> 0:56:42.760 brain is immediately like you're up. And I've tried. 0:56:42.880 --> 0:56:46.200 I'm a little jealous of that. I have struggle a 0:56:46.239 --> 0:56:49.680 lot with like maintaining a good sleep schedule. 0:56:50.400 --> 0:56:55.360 I don't have a good sleep schedules, like you know. 0:56:55.440 --> 0:56:57.839 I found it out. I found that out I had 0:56:57.840 --> 0:57:01.000 done during college. I got two good paying jobs that 0:57:01.040 --> 0:57:03.080 were on opposite ends of the day. I was so 0:57:03.120 --> 0:57:05.360 at night, I was a doc worker, so I was 0:57:05.400 --> 0:57:09.000 a forklift operator basically from like six pm till ten pm, 0:57:09.040 --> 0:57:11.720 and then I was a mail sorter the next morning 0:57:11.920 --> 0:57:14.400 every and I would have to arrive at four am 0:57:14.560 --> 0:57:16.600 to the post office. And I was like, well, I'll 0:57:16.600 --> 0:57:18.640 just sleep four hours at night and then four hours 0:57:18.720 --> 0:57:20.960 during the day. And that's when I found out, like, oh, 0:57:21.000 --> 0:57:23.800 I've never actually slept during the day. Yeah, And I 0:57:23.800 --> 0:57:27.360 would try and I didn't, and I legitimately like went, 0:57:28.120 --> 0:57:30.920 I started hallucinating. Oh god, I would see like motion, 0:57:31.000 --> 0:57:33.440 like like mailboxes would look like they were running out 0:57:33.440 --> 0:57:35.720 into the street while I was driving. It was crazy. 0:57:36.000 --> 0:57:38.480 Well some of them do do that, like you know. 0:57:38.840 --> 0:57:41.600 Yeah, like like cartoon ones. Yeah, yeah, it was leg 0:57:41.680 --> 0:57:45.720 yeah ones sometimes, but yeah, so that was That's how 0:57:45.720 --> 0:57:47.920 I found that out. So I'm jealous. Anytime you mentioned 0:57:47.960 --> 0:57:52.480 somebody being able to nap, I'm super super jealous because 0:57:52.480 --> 0:57:53.720 I'm like, I wish I could do that. 0:57:53.840 --> 0:57:56.560 We got to like inject you with some like uh 0:57:57.240 --> 0:57:59.600 chin strap na penguin DNA. 0:57:59.680 --> 0:58:03.920 Yeah, of a man half penguin. Yeah, I think that 0:58:03.920 --> 0:58:05.720 would just be the penguin, right, You'd just. 0:58:05.680 --> 0:58:10.320 Be the penguin, but instead of like kidnapping people, you 0:58:10.360 --> 0:58:14.280 would just be napping in your house. 0:58:14.640 --> 0:58:15.600 Wave the kids out of it. 0:58:18.440 --> 0:58:20.400 Jeff, where can on people find you? 0:58:21.240 --> 0:58:24.240 Well, you can find me across all social media, including 0:58:24.400 --> 0:58:26.680 my YouTube at hay There Jeff Row. I do a 0:58:26.680 --> 0:58:28.919 lot of really neat stuff. I mean, obviously we brought 0:58:28.960 --> 0:58:30.880 up Jeff has cool friends. I do the Great Show 0:58:31.320 --> 0:58:36.320 Tom and Jeff watch Batman with Tom Ryman employed. I 0:58:36.440 --> 0:58:38.760 do a lot of shows with Adam Todd Brown on 0:58:39.080 --> 0:58:41.680 that you Don't Even Like podcast Network, such as you 0:58:41.680 --> 0:58:43.680 Don't Even Like Sports, which is a sports podcast for 0:58:43.720 --> 0:58:48.840 people that hate sports. Lots of fun, that irony, It's 0:58:48.840 --> 0:58:50.520 a lot, it's most of our fans. It's why we 0:58:50.560 --> 0:58:53.240 did Why we did that show Jeff has Cool Friends. 0:58:53.280 --> 0:58:54.520 If you listen to that, you can also hear the 0:58:54.560 --> 0:58:57.280 Amazing Nerd with Dre Alvarez, which is also under the 0:58:57.360 --> 0:58:59.720 Jeff has Cool Friends umbrella and at patroon dot Com 0:58:59.760 --> 0:59:02.560 Slash Jeff May you connect early access to unsunsed episodes 0:59:02.600 --> 0:59:06.320 with bonus content, including the exclusive ug Fine with Kim Krawl. 0:59:07.000 --> 0:59:09.000 So that's podcast. If you want to see me live 0:59:09.040 --> 0:59:11.960 and you live in southern California, I do a Mint 0:59:12.040 --> 0:59:14.360 on Card, which is my live stand up show, and 0:59:14.400 --> 0:59:16.760 a toy store and Blast from the Past on Magnolia 0:59:16.920 --> 0:59:20.400 in Burbank, California. I also open packs of trading cards. 0:59:21.720 --> 0:59:24.680 It's so fun, Katie. I open packs of trading cards 0:59:24.720 --> 0:59:27.960 on camera every Wednesday at two o'clock Pacific on my 0:59:28.040 --> 0:59:30.080 YouTube at Hey Jeff row on a show I call 0:59:30.240 --> 0:59:32.160 I Must Break You luck Man. 0:59:32.280 --> 0:59:34.800 I would love to watch videos of people just like 0:59:35.040 --> 0:59:39.120 cutting soap up into little pieces. So, oh that sounds great. 0:59:39.840 --> 0:59:44.200 Oh the sounds yeah. So there is an ASMR aspect 0:59:44.200 --> 0:59:46.439 when you open up a pack of trading cards as well. 0:59:46.440 --> 0:59:50.240 But like, man, just it's so fun opening those cards 0:59:50.280 --> 0:59:52.040 and I give them away to follow up my Patreon 0:59:52.120 --> 0:59:55.160 but it's just so fun, Like it's just this glory 0:59:55.160 --> 0:59:59.000 of like it's like the first childhood form of gambling. 0:59:59.200 --> 1:00:00.880 You got us a because. 1:00:00.600 --> 1:00:03.720 You're like that it is actually it's like literally gambling though. 1:00:03.720 --> 1:00:06.320 That's the thing is, it's like it is actually gambling, 1:00:06.880 --> 1:00:12.760 but you know, but for Pokemon or whatever other trading cards. Yeah, 1:00:12.840 --> 1:00:16.760 that sounds fantastic. Do check those out. Jeff is a 1:00:16.760 --> 1:00:21.320 fantastic podcaster. 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