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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature Feature production of iHeart Radio.

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Speaker 2: Creature Feature. It's Creature Cringle Times, a holiday special about

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Speaker 2: our furry friends. Today we'll learn how hibernation works and

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Speaker 2: what's up with these chabby bears, snail hibernas, leivers with

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Speaker 2: fat tails.

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Speaker 3: Join us as we learn and love in the sleepy

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Speaker 3: little penguins perfect power naps. It's a sleepy, cozy winter time.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature Feature production of iHeart Radio. I'm your

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Speaker 1: host of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and

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Speaker 1: evolutionary biology, and on today's special Kringle Time show, we're

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Speaker 1: getting cozy and snugly and talking about the world's best,

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Speaker 1: most creative, and most interesting sleepers. From hibernations to teeny naps,

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Speaker 1: these wintery animals know how to catch a few holiday z's.

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Speaker 3: Happy Creature Ring, Happy Creature, Ring, Happy Creature.

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Speaker 1: Joining me today is comedian and host of the podcast

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Speaker 1: Jeff Has Cool Friends and Other great podcasts.

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Speaker 4: Jeff May welcome. Hey, I just woke up. This is great. Yeah, fact,

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Speaker 4: I just dehibernated. Be mad. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: What's your favorite way to get cozy during the winter?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think you're still in La, right, I am.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't get too cold there, but it's still nice

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Speaker 1: to get cozy.

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Speaker 4: So it actually gets really cold inside. I don't know

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Speaker 4: if you remember La, but there's no insulation in any

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Speaker 4: of the houses, so for example, like in my house

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Speaker 4: right now, it's like the high fifties. So yeah, not

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Speaker 4: what you would think would be great. I actually prefer

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Speaker 4: a fireplace. Yeah, airplace. I had a fire last night.

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Speaker 4: It was delightful. That really is something for me. It's

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Speaker 4: getting pricey, getting a little pricey. The wood has gone up.

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Speaker 4: But I do like that. I like being inside where

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Speaker 4: it is not bad while the weather is bad.

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Speaker 1: It's the best feeling. It's the best. I'm finally living

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Speaker 1: somewhere where it does occasionally snow, which I love. And

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Speaker 1: I also just like being inside watching either rain or snow.

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Speaker 1: But you're cozy and you're warm, and you're under a blanket,

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Speaker 1: maybe you even have a hot drink. It's just such

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Speaker 1: a good feeling. It's like this intense smugness about your

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Speaker 1: position versus like the weather outside. It's like a very

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Speaker 1: cozy smugness and I love it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it turns out that the weather outside is actually frightful, right, but.

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Speaker 1: The fire inside.

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Speaker 4: Meanwhile, wow, that's delightful.

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Speaker 1: Right, that can be delightful.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I very much am that as a new Englander.

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Speaker 4: Like snow is two is two things for me. One,

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Speaker 4: it is a dangerous labor because you have to like

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Speaker 4: shovel your driveway or you know, you have to drive

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Speaker 4: extra specially careful carefully. I don't know I didn't add

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Speaker 4: an adverb into that sentence. But then on top of

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Speaker 4: that too, like being inside when it snows is the best, right, Yeah, no,

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Speaker 4: you like you forget you're just sitting there. Although when

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Speaker 4: I was a homeowner, I would look outside and see

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Speaker 4: shovel right now? So it's not super bad tomorrow. Like

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Speaker 4: that's the energy that I was bringing to homeowners, real

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never had a home while I lived, like

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Speaker 4: So that's the labor of snow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, disappears right exactly, But yeah, very very on theme,

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Speaker 1: because today we are talking about animals who do their

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Speaker 1: and we'll just sleep it off, but in very specific

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Speaker 1: physiological ways. So first we're going to talk about bears

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Speaker 1: and this idea of bear hibernation. Now there's going to

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Speaker 1: first let's talk about fat Bear Week. So have you

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Speaker 4: I love fat Bear Week, so good course, standard Bear

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Speaker 4: Week as a Massachusetts former Massachusetts residence Bear Week itself,

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Speaker 4: of course very popular in Provincetown in the summertime. Fat

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Speaker 1: The Fat Bear Week is a celebration by the Cathmeae

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Speaker 1: National Park and Preserve in Alaska of the bears in

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Speaker 1: these park cams and then vote online at fatbearweek dot org. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: been crowned. It was a female bear named Grazier, who

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Speaker 4: I love this. I love all this information, but I

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Speaker 4: what Mardi Gras d'Ors or something like that, like it's

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Speaker 1: Yes, And she and these bears. Every year, bears put

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Speaker 1: all their girth and you know, pick out one of

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Speaker 1: on a bunch of weight. But there's you know, other

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Speaker 4: Now the photo that you shared first off, must hug bear. Yeah, bear,

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Speaker 4: it's friend. And then the information that you shared bear

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Speaker 1: Bear is not friend.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's also but also bear's friend.

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Speaker 1: This is the contradiction of bear. This is the biggest

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Speaker 1: sort of like it is an The oxymoron of the

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Speaker 1: least huggable animals in terms of the speed with which

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Speaker 1: it's very impressive, like you know so, But on the

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Speaker 4: And you get to help out fat bear week, right exactly,

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Speaker 4: be like I'm going to feed myself to my favorite

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Speaker 1: I become part of the bear. In reality, this would

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Speaker 4: It is it? Historically speaking, we don't taste great? Is that?

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Speaker 4: Is that right? Like? I know that like sharks, sharks

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Speaker 1: It's I think it's a fat to like bone ratio.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean in nature there's there's options, but if

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Speaker 4: there's no options, they are like women to eat that obviously.

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Speaker 1: Right of course. Yeah, and bears will potentially eat people.

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Speaker 4: To them, or they do a lot of cocaine.

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Speaker 1: You know, I just I want my bears thick and

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Speaker 4: So bear body shaming are you because no.

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Speaker 4: Okay, well I'm saying all bears are beautiful. So like

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Speaker 1: So why do these bears put on so much weight?

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Speaker 1: It's not just to look amazing. It is which you

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Speaker 4: If you go to Rubenesque Bears.

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Speaker 1: They are Rubenesque bears. Go to explore dot org slash

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Speaker 1: of them that base these bears are like great protein popsicles,

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Speaker 1: and we'll like lick at like melting snow or the

433
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Speaker 1: leaf litter and just have kind of like these like

434
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Speaker 1: protein popsicles that looks like kind of a really organic

435
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: mint ice cream. But the mint chips are bugs.

436
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Speaker 4: Honestly, I mean, let's give that a dry Let's call

437
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 4: saltan straw and the.

438
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Speaker 1: Flavor saltan straw. So I miss saltan stra so much.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a California thing, right.

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Speaker 4: It's a West Coast thing. I believe it's actually a

441
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Speaker 4: Portland thing to say.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so it's a West Coast thing. Man, if

443
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Speaker 1: you live on the West Coast or you visit the

444
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Speaker 1: West Coast, saltan Straw is the best ice cream place

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Speaker 1: I've ever been To't.

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Speaker 4: You the land of Gelato?

447
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Speaker 1: Yes, But honestly, like look no offense to to northern

448
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Speaker 1: Italy where there is some amazing gelato. Salt and Straw

449
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Speaker 1: is still really holds its own like it's really good. Also,

450
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: like in the US, they know how to make waffle

451
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 1: cones really well, whereas here it's much more rare that

452
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Speaker 1: you get asta because they're made out of dry pasta, like.

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Speaker 4: They kind of ice cream. We have a.

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Speaker 1: Basket, yeah, they we have like a basket out of pasta. No.

455
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the gelato is great, especially in Florence.

456
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Speaker 1: But you know, like, honestly, America, you got some amazing

457
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Speaker 1: ice cream there, so be proud.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we have nailed the tastiest, most absolutely terrible.

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Speaker 1: Food, right, which is why these bears are eating it

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Speaker 1: at the trading post.

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Speaker 4: Fish a bear sitting there eating like ice cream and

462
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Speaker 4: a grilled cheese or like, this doesn't seem like this

463
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Speaker 4: is the thing they should be eating. Probably not fairy.

464
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Speaker 4: Is dairy a big thing for bears? Because I don't.

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Speaker 1: Really see how that would think so, But you know,

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Speaker 1: I still feel like if I saw a bear their

467
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: nose deep into a tub of ice cream, you like,

468
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:05,239
Speaker 1: you know what good for her?

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00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 4: Yeah?

470
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: Let it out, girl, be there in your feelings.

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00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 4: You've had a week. Yeah, you've earned.

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00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: This, you've earned this. Well, we are going to take

473
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Speaker 1: a quick break, but don't go to sleep. When we

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Speaker 1: come back, we're going to talk about a couple true

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Speaker 1: hibernators that are perhaps not what you typically think of

476
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Speaker 1: when you think hibernation. So, Jeff, did you know that

477
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Speaker 1: snails hibernate?

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Speaker 4: Are they true hibernator?

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Speaker 1: They are true hibernators. They also estivate, so estivation is hibernation,

480
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Speaker 1: but during hot or dry seasons. So both terrestrial and

481
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Speaker 1: aquatic species of snails can hibernate when the temperature gets

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Speaker 1: too low and estivate when the season gets too hot

483
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Speaker 1: or dry. So during hibernation, terrestrial snails such as garden

484
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Speaker 1: snails or fresh water snails like apple snails, will regulate

485
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Speaker 1: their bodily processes to survive the cold, so they are

486
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Speaker 1: true hibernators. Because their metabolic rate drops, their respiratory system,

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Speaker 1: their circulatory system, everything like slows down, and their body

488
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Speaker 1: temperature drops. Their body temperature actually basically has to endure

489
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Speaker 1: the ambient cold temperature. One of the problems with freezing

490
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Speaker 1: is that if you freeze like your cells kind of

491
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Speaker 1: get ice crystals in them, and that's really bad. Once

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Speaker 1: they start to thaw, they essentially rip apart because of

493
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: these Yeah, exactly, frostbite like that is necrotic tissue because

494
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: your cells have basically been torn asunder by the ice

495
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Speaker 1: crystal formation. But the way a lot of animals, including snails,

496
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Speaker 1: who can survive freezing work is they actually have in

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Speaker 1: their blood or in the snails case, hem aloof which

498
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: is basically the bug version of blood. They have anti

499
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Speaker 1: freeze in their blood. So this is like glycerol and

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Speaker 1: glucose in their blood that prevents the formation of ice crystals.

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Speaker 4: You have anti freeze in your blood. Sounds like a

502
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Speaker 4: grinch lyric. That didn't make it into the song.

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Speaker 1: It does, doesn't it? Man? I can hear the voice too.

504
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Speaker 1: Can you do the voice?

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Speaker 4: Earl Thurl ravenscrop It's Tony the Tiger.

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Speaker 1: Oh he did, Tony the Tiger.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if you listen to the song, it's literally Tony

508
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,959
Speaker 4: the Tiger's voice. He doesn't doesn't really Garler in your soul.

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Speaker 1: Mister, Oh my god, oh my god, my mind has

510
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Speaker 1: been blown.

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Speaker 4: Two huge Christmas songs. Sorry, I always have to bring

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Speaker 4: Christmas into it. Two huge Christmas songs are named are

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Speaker 4: sung by people whose last name whose names are you

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Speaker 4: are l. We have Burl Eves and Thorough Ravenscroft, and

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Speaker 4: those are two names you do not hear every Berlin

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Speaker 4: Thurle are responsible for a good I'd say ten percent

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Speaker 4: of your holiday listening.

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Speaker 1: Berlin Thurle sounds like an artisan like sheets company, like

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Speaker 1: a company that makes sheets, like wool sheets for your bed.

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Speaker 5: And it's already yeah that they're not that comfortable, but

521
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 5: they're like, yeah, they're sustainable, and then you're like all right,

522
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 5: and then you try to sleep in them, you're like,

523
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Speaker 5: this was a huge mistake.

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Speaker 1: Itchy, but it costs five hundred dollars, so you do

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Speaker 1: use it all the time. Burl and Thurle, the sponsor

526
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Speaker 1: of this this week's podcast Berlin use code Creature to

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Speaker 1: get ten percent off the itchiest blankets you'll ever have.

528
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Speaker 1: But they're made out of one hundred percent human hair

529
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Speaker 1: at geosophical rash ethically sourced rat hair. So yeah, this

530
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Speaker 1: is these snails drop their metabolic rate. They have this

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Speaker 1: antifreeze in their blood. They actually these anti freezing compounds

532
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: like glycerol and glucose become more concentrated in the winter,

533
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Speaker 1: according to research by noahsaka at all. Thanks guys for

534
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: cutting open snails and looking at their hemal lymph. That

535
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: must have been delicious. So they also produce something called

536
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Speaker 1: an epiphragm, which is a temporary mucous membrane that they

537
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: form to reduce water loss in like hot dry conditions,

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00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: or prevent water absorption during too wet conditions, to maintain

539
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: a balance of their bodily fluid because if they dry

540
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: completely out, that's bad. Or if they absorb too much

541
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Speaker 1: water and then they basically don't have the right balance

542
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: of fluids and salt ions, et cetera, like that can

543
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: also be bad. Just like humans, we can either die

544
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: of not having enough water, having too much salt, or

545
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: having too much water and not enough salt.

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Speaker 4: Some would say that adding another mucous membrane onto your

547
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 4: body is gross, and I would say, you're not a snail.

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00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not a snail. You're not thinking snail.

549
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 4: You got to think you're thinking people. Yeah, I don't

550
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 4: know how. I probably wouldn't do great with an additional

551
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 4: mucus membrane on me, But not a snail.

552
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like, I don't. The other cool thing

553
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: about this mucus membrane, this epiphragm, is that they can

554
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: use it to stick onto things. So have you ever

555
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: like had a snail and it's like inside its shell,

556
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: you can't see any of the like meat of the snail.

557
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: You're trying to pull it off of like a tree

558
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: or a rock, but it's like stuck.

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Speaker 4: No, you know what, I didn't have access to snails

560
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 4: when I was a kid. We had slugs, but no snails.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm so sorry. That's that's a terrible childhood to

562
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: not have snails.

563
00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 4: It is, well, we made up for it with the

564
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 4: lime disease in the transmit.

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Speaker 5: Well, I have lots of childhood experience somehow.

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Speaker 1: San Diego, we had a lot of snails and I would,

567
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Speaker 1: I guess, harass the snails a lot. I was curious,

568
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: and so I would try to like pick them up,

569
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: but they'd be like stuck, and so you kind of

570
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Speaker 1: like try to pull them off and like it. They'd

571
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Speaker 1: be like the suction and like you could kind of

572
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Speaker 1: rip them off. But I'd kind of feel bad when

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Speaker 1: I would do that because it feels like, oh I

574
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Speaker 1: did something, I broke something. Well, what that is is

575
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Speaker 1: the epiphram. It's this temporary mucous membrane. And they would

576
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Speaker 1: probably use this because it would be the summer it

577
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Speaker 1: would be hot and dry, but they can also do

578
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Speaker 1: it in the winter. Both if the winter is too

579
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Speaker 1: dry or if there's too much moisture or cold to

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Speaker 1: you know, basically protect their their soft, vulnerable, squishy bodies.

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Speaker 1: So another thing is that I have seen on the

582
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Speaker 1: internet too many things, but among them this factoid that

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Speaker 1: snails can hibernate for three years. And that sounded wrong

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00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: to me. That sounded right, That doesn't sound right. And

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Speaker 1: I love it when I find something like this and

586
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Speaker 1: find out that it's correct. This is not one of

587
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Speaker 1: those times. The longest they can hibernate, as far as

588
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Speaker 1: I can tell, is around four months. And so I

589
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: do not know where this three years figure comes from.

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00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 1: It seems like it is maybe a rumor or something

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00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: that keeps getting repeated. But I could not find any

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Speaker 1: like real sources for this three years thing. I have

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Speaker 1: seen that there are multiple studies that they do over

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Speaker 1: the course of two to three years, and so I

595
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Speaker 1: wonder and someone was like skimming one of these studies

596
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Speaker 1: and said, like study period was two to three years,

597
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Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, that must be how long the

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Speaker 1: snail's hibernating, and it's like, no, that's the duration of

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Speaker 1: the study.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So come on, guys, you know how this works.

601
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 4: You know words this is academia, come on, yeah.

602
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Speaker 1: I mean, to be fair, a lot of academic papers

603
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: are very difficult to understand, and dare I say it,

604
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: sometimes written poorly in a way that's hard to comprehend.

605
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, still like, uh, this seems to be wrong.

606
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: If someone out there is like, hey, I actually know

607
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Speaker 1: where this comes from, or that you think it is

608
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Speaker 1: real and you have a source, you could send that

609
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Speaker 1: to me. I would love to be wrong about this

610
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 1: because hibernating for three years as a snail sounds super chill.

611
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Speaker 1: That's like ultimate cozy. I just don't know.

612
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Speaker 4: It also seems a little wasteful, like how long are

613
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Speaker 4: you living, man, I don't know, three and a half years.

614
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Speaker 4: We want to readjust what we're doing with our time here?

615
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 4: Our time management needs to be fixed.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the snail shell is like a pokey ball and

617
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: there's like a whole universe in there though, you know

618
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Speaker 1: what I mean, Like to the snail, this could.

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Speaker 4: Be what an effective Pokemon? That would be right? Get

620
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Speaker 4: out immediately. It's pikachuwed to death, all right, it didn't

621
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Speaker 4: react quick enough, nail.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, snails have their strengths. Combat is not

623
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Speaker 1: generally one of them, but you.

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Speaker 4: Know, I mean, to be fair, there might be a

625
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 4: snail Pokemon that I have no idea.

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Speaker 1: There has to be there. I'm googling snail Pokemon because

627
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: there had there has to be snail Pokemon, like weirdly, Uh,

628
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Speaker 1: there's mag mag Cargo, which is a magnum snail. It

629
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Speaker 1: looks like it's made out of lava an obsidian.

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Speaker 4: I mean that sounds like a pretty bad ass snail. Yeah,

631
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Speaker 4: there you go, so lava snail. There's some going to

632
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:48,720
Speaker 4: pick that one up off a tree.

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Speaker 1: There's some aquatic looking snails like ohmannite, ohmanite. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Have you ever done a creature feature that was just

635
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Speaker 4: like sort of about the sort of apocrypha of Pokemon? Yeah,

636
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Speaker 4: just play it in a real episode.

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00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: Well no, So I actually had Ellen Weatherford, she hosts

638
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: a podcast called Just the Zoo of Us, and we

639
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: talked about Pokemon and then like the real life animals

640
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: that are seem to either have inspired these Pokemon or

641
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 1: by coincidence, these Pokemon are very much like real life animals.

642
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 4: So or that or that one magician that sued Pokemon.

643
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Speaker 1: Someone sued Pokemon.

644
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, Urigeller. Urigeller had like an injunction on one of

645
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 4: the characters, because it was clearly a dig on him.

646
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 4: It was like this really corrupt It was this corrupt

647
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 4: magician that would like hold a spoon and he was

648
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,439
Speaker 4: famous for like us as a spoon bender that ended

649
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 4: up becoming sort of revealed as a fraud.

650
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: Huh.

651
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 4: And yeah, it was this whole thing. He'd like just

652
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 4: he just rescinded the lawsuit like very recently.

653
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: But I thought that was like a I thought that

654
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: the fake spoon bending was like a classic thing, right.

655
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 4: Like I think it's because of your igeller. Really yeah,

656
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 4: I think it was like a whole thing with Carson. Yeah. Well,

657
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 4: I mean I think it was like famously like that's

658
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 4: where like he's the fame famously debunked magician and it

659
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 4: was like this big scandal. And uh so he like

660
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 4: just recently rescinded his lawsuit or complaint and like apologized

661
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 4: to like the children of the world for like, has.

662
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: He apologized to spoons, because like what the hell of

663
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 1: the spoon's done that He's just like I'm gonna bend

664
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: this perfectly good spoon.

665
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know the spoons not have feelings?

666
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 4: Am I A utensilist.

667
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: If I say that, I just think it's sad to

668
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: be a spoon and then not get used for ice

669
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: cream instead get bent by.

670
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 4: A jerk, or get kidnapped by a dish.

671
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: Right man, the dish ran away with that spoon, But

672
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: did it ask the spoon for It's what it wanted

673
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: to do? I don't think so.

674
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 2: So.

675
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, snails they can hibernate and uh with that anti

676
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: freeze in their hemal lymph and but they do not.

677
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 1: I have not seen anything to indicate they can hibernate

678
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: for three years. They can hibernate for around four months,

679
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: which I still think is pretty impressive. Now we're going

680
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: to yeah, no, it's good man, like, why are we

681
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 1: making stuff up? That's pretty impressive. One of my favorite

682
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 1: hibernators is actually a completely different animal. This one's acutie.

683
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: It's the fat tailed dwarf leamur. So uh oh yeah,

684
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: I shared a cute little photo with you. These are

685
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: cute little babies that I want to cuddle. Yeah yeah,

686
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: so fat tailed dwarf lemurs. You may have guessed it.

687
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: They have fat tails. We're gonna talk about why so uh.

688
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: They are primates found in in Madagascar, they're pretty small.

689
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,439
Speaker 1: They're only about seven ounces in the summer and nine

690
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: ounces when they fatten those tails up in the winter.

691
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: And you know, Jeff, can you guess why they fatten

692
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: their tails up in the winter.

693
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,439
Speaker 4: I don't feel like I need to guess on this one.

694
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 4: I feel like it's pretty much been established that this

695
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 4: is where they store their fat and nutrients, yes, for

696
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 4: their torpor or their their hibernation or whatever they can do.

697
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, so these can be considered true hibernators because

698
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 1: they kind of meet all the requirements. Their metabolism slows down,

699
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,240
Speaker 1: their heart rate, breathing all slows down, and their temperature

700
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: drops and that fat tail allows them to hibernate without

701
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 1: needing to feed. So just as bears developed that big

702
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: belly for winter, these dwarf flamers developed this like fat tail.

703
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: They put all their fat in this tail. I mean

704
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: we see this in other animals right where they kind

705
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: of store fat in these localized regions like a camel's hump,

706
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: not filled with water, actually filled with fat to allow

707
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: them to survive long periods of time without eating. But

708
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: this means that fat tailed dwarf lemurs are actually the

709
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: only primates known to hibernate. Yeah, which is.

710
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 4: Really interesting, so exciting for them.

711
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, good for them. Look these little guys.

712
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 4: What what Mada Gascar movie? Do they address that in?

713
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, you know what? Like they have so many

714
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: fun like like actual animals in those movies, like Fosses

715
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: and a bunch of different lemurs who I think I

716
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 1: think basically all of the lemur characters are actual lemurs, Like, yeah,

717
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: I don't think they made any lemurs up. And there's

718
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: a lot of them, Like Madagascar is lemur Land essentially,

719
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: so that there could.

720
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 4: Definitely They eat ice cream and they play around in barrel.

721
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: Pretty much the closest thing lemurs get to a resort.

722
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, like it's it's like a lot of these

723
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 1: these lemurs are endemic to Madagascar, meaning they're not found

724
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: anywhere else. So there is this research center called Duke

725
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: Lemur Center, and they've done a lot of research on

726
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: lemurs in general, including these fat tailed dwarf lemurs.

727
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 4: And you say Duke, you just mean like Duke University.

728
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's Duke Lemur Center. Be fun, Yeah, and

729
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: you know what, Like I feel like I would I

730
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: would love to be a card carrying member of the

731
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: Duke Lemur Center. So they've done all this research on

732
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 1: these dwarf fat tailed dwarf lemurs. It's actually really cute

733
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: because they have they have like lemurs that they studied

734
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: that are in captivity, but they you know, they make

735
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: sure their environment is really really good and they like

736
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: to hibernate and sleep in like little nooks and crannies

737
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: inside trees, and so they've you know, done all these

738
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: things where they try to like recreate these spaces for

739
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: them and apparently like they've had basically these cute little

740
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: like fabric nests and like all these like very cozy

741
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: looking things. But their favorite thing is PVC pipes. Like

742
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: the lemurs love going to sleep in PVC pipes. Same, yeah, man,

743
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: Like you want to just curl up into a little

744
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: ball and be in a PVC pipe? Who doesn't?

745
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 4: I really do? I really do want them, That's.

746
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 1: What That's how like whenever I'm like working with my plumbing,

747
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I wish I could shrink down and

748
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 1: curl up and go to sleep in this you trap.

749
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,760
Speaker 4: Yeah. I hope they don't fall asleep in a potato

750
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 4: gun though, because that could be a problem, could be.

751
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: A problem, could be really cool, But you know, it's

752
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: just a matter of perspective. So yeah, the their research

753
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: has found that these uh fat tailed dwarf lemurs can

754
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: rouse from hibernation every six to twelve days and hibernate

755
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: for up to seven months. So just because you're hibernating

756
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you can't occasionally, like wake up during the winter.

757
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: Like some hibernators, especially like smaller hibernators, will wake up

758
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: occasionally to move around, maybe even eat something like if

759
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 1: they have something stored, and then go back. Yeah, exactly.

760
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: But it is harder for hibernators to wake up in

761
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: response to say, a threat, versus just torpoor. So if

762
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: you're just in torpor, you can wake up more quickly

763
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: if there's something threatening. If you're in hibernation, it's actually

764
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: a good deal more difficult for your body to rouse

765
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: from that even if there's a threat. So finding a

766
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: good hidden PVC pipe is very important because these guys

767
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: live in Madagascar. They're not protecting themselves from the cold

768
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: and the snow because it doesn't get that cold in Madagascar.

769
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: It's instead believe that they're protecting themselves from drought where

770
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: like in the winter, because it's really hard to get

771
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: enough nutrients. So like they feed on insects, fruits, and flowers,

772
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: and so these things are going to be harder to

773
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: find during a drought, and so they're just like I'm

774
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: gonna eat a bunch of stuff, put it all in

775
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 1: my tail fat, and then when there's not as much

776
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: food around, just.

777
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 4: Go to sleep, Go to sleep with my big fat tail.

778
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, just wrap that, man, you could also use it

779
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: as a pillow. It's just it's such a good idea,

780
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: like this is Yeah, it's a lot.

781
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 4: Of opportunities with that.

782
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, absolutely, I.

783
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 4: Store the food I eat in my ass a lot too.

784
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 1: So that makes it, does it? Is it? You know

785
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: like Thanksgiving butt is a more comfortable butt.

786
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 4: I gotta say, yeah, you're we're in prime. But right now,

787
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 4: these these these months that we've been in, you know,

788
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 4: it's just like really just we're getting ready to hibernate as.

789
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: Humans, though we don't really get to. We don't like

790
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: store all our fat like in one perfect pillowy location.

791
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: It goes wherever it goes, usually based on a combination

792
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: of genetics and your activity or whatever. But it would

793
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: be really nice if it's like, yeah, I just want

794
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: my fat to go in like my butt or my

795
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,959
Speaker 1: tail so I can use it as a pillow. So yeah,

796
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: I feel like these dwarf lemurs really have it figured

797
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: out west. So yeah. Also, according to this Duke Leamer

798
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: Center's research, these little guys tails account for around forty

799
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: percent of their body weight, and during hibernation, their breathing

800
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 1: can drop to a rate of about one breath per

801
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 1: ten minutes and their heart rate drops to about one

802
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: beat every ten seconds.

803
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 4: I mean, that's it's pretty great. That's like college I

804
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 4: mean college athlete level.

805
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I know that some people can't hold their

806
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: breath for a really long time, like they're divers who

807
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: like work on it and practice it. I think there

808
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:12,479
Speaker 1: are some divers who can get near that level, right

809
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: of holding your breath for that long.

810
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know that they're like like three minutes tends

811
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 4: to be like a big threshold for people like your

812
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 4: average person. And then it was it ranks up. I

813
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 4: remember I was running for a while and I got

814
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 4: my heart rate tested when I was running, and it

815
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 4: was like really good. It was like forty two beats

816
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 4: a minute. Or something like that.

817
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: Nice.

818
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 4: It was like really impressive. My breath holding is so bad.

819
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 4: I don't know how to do it. Brain it. I'm like,

820
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 4: I don't think I can.

821
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I did a quick Google search and apparently,

822
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 1: like there are some professional divers who have held their

823
00:47:55,400 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: breath for over twenty minutes, which is just ridiculous. You

824
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: can't do you can't. I want to caution everyone, you

825
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: cannot do that. You can't just like you can't do that.

826
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: You cannot decide I'm going to go try to do that.

827
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: There have been people who have drowned trying to hold

828
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: their breath in the pool, Like people who are practicing,

829
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: like say they want to be a good surfer or

830
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: a good diver or something, and they practice holding their breath.

831
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: If you want to do that, you need a buddy.

832
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: You need to be there with someone, because if you

833
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: do that alone, you can lose consciousness and drown, which

834
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,919
Speaker 1: and it has happened really sadly. But yeah, to work

835
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: your way up to that long it takes I would

836
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 1: imagine years and years of practice. And you know it's

837
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: not it's like any kind of like you can't just

838
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: like lift an enormous weight because you decide to try

839
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: really hard one day. But you know it is true

840
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: that with like you can responsibly trained to hold your

841
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: breath for longer, with a coach or someone to spot you.

842
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 4: Or just on a thing to couch, a fainting couch.

843
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: That's what they were invented for.

844
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 4: To hold your breath in the Victorian age.

845
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: Anyways, we're gonna take a quick break and when we

846
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: get back, we're gonna talk about penguin micro sleeps. All right,

847
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: we are back, and Jeff, penguins are cute.

848
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:26,919
Speaker 4: Right, I think that, well sort of. There's that one

849
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 4: with the red eyes and the.

850
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 1: Yellow like a rock hopper penguin.

851
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna say no that that's an ugly

852
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:35,720
Speaker 4: ass penguin.

853
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: Well, chin strap penguins are some of the cutest penguins.

854
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 1: They They are these little guys who live on islands

855
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 1: near the Antarctic or Southern Pacific Ocean waters. They have

856
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 1: this characteristic strap of black feathers that go under their chin,

857
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: and then they also have like a black cap on

858
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: their heads, so it looks like they're wearing like a

859
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: little black helmet with like a chin strap.

860
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Speaker 4: It looks like they have little cartoon faces.

861
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: They're adorable, and I must have one. I must, I

862
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: must illegally acquire this penguin. So they they are adorable. Uh.

863
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: And they are, but they're they're not the biggest penguins. Uh.

864
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: And they have a lot of stuff to worry about.

865
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: So how do they get a good night's sleep? Well,

866
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 1: there was some research by Leborel a all, sorry, let

867
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Speaker 1: me do that again because I got too French with

868
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: that Liborel at all, who strapped sensors onto the chin straps.

869
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Speaker 1: So they already got their chin straps. Now they got

870
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Speaker 1: sensor straps. These are strap strap penguins.

871
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 5: Uh.

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00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: And they measured their brain activity and motion. They used

873
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: like this remote electro encephalogram uh. And they found that

874
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: the penguins engaged in my grow sleeps, which were four

875
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: second long bouts of dozing, so like four second naps

876
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 1: around ten thousand times a day.

877
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Speaker 4: Well, okay, like in my head, I'm like is there,

878
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 4: I'm like doing them? Are there forty thousand seconds? Yeah?

879
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: That's forty no, no, yeah, there are forty thousand seconds in

880
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: a day, because this is about eleven hours of tiny naps.

881
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, so there's ninety thousand seconds in a day roughly.

882
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, that map is probably wrong math. No, that

883
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: sounds right ish almost sure almost so yeah, forty thousand

884
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: seconds of tiny naps, which is about eleven hours total

885
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: of tiny naps. And so this is really interesting, right

886
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: because you'd think, like, well, but sleep in order to

887
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: be good sleep, you need like long sleep. You need

888
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: to like really kind of get into it. You can't

889
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: just have like little tiny sleeps.

890
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 4: Well like little Einstein's right line signs, wasn't that his thing?

891
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, little naps, little cat naps, that's true.

892
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 4: Call catnaps, penguin naps.

893
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:11,280
Speaker 1: We should call them penguin naps.

894
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 4: I guess chaps chin strap penguin nap.

895
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like a really fast one. That's like head

896
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: down on the table and then you lift it back

897
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: up so fast you get whiplash.

898
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,879
Speaker 4: So that means that you fell asleep and then hit

899
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 4: the table and then you're like, that's.

900
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: A chin strap nap. So, uh the yeah, they found

901
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: that these penguins were still able to successfully nest, forage

902
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: all the normal penguin behaviors. Uh. So the question is, well,

903
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: why are they doing these micro sleeps rather than like

904
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 1: just a full night of sleep or even like an

905
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 1: hour nap at a time. The idea is that this

906
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: might be too risky for the little penguins because the

907
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 1: way that they they protect their offspring is they have,

908
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: like you have a couple of parents that they're both

909
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,720
Speaker 1: looking after the egg and the chick, and so one

910
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 1: has to like incubate the egg or keep the chick

911
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: warm and protect it while the other one goes out

912
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: and forge, and then they have to switch off. And

913
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: so there's not a lot of time for napping in

914
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 1: that situation, especially when you have rampaging birds like scuas

915
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: who go around trying to steal eggs or chicks right

916
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: from underneath these penguins. And so the penguins must be

917
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 1: vigilant at almost all times. And even the adults have

918
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: their fair share predators like leopard seals. So they've got

919
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: to protect their egg, they got to protect their chick,

920
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: and they have to go out and forge for like

921
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,439
Speaker 1: two you know, for their partner and for their chick.

922
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: So it's a lot of stuff going on. So like

923
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 1: the best way it seems for them to get their

924
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: rest are these four second naps.

925
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 4: Little micro naps, little micropus delightful.

926
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 1: It does. I feel like human, Like new human parents

927
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: would be really envious of these micro sleeps.

928
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 4: This is how I sleep on planes, by the way.

929
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh it's so weird man. Plane sleep where

930
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: you fall asleep and then you wake up and you're

931
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 1: like that must have been an hour, and you look

932
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: at the clock and it's like that was five minutes.

933
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 4: Three minutes. Yeah, yeah, I always think I can, Like

934
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 4: whenever I would go home, I used to take the

935
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 4: Red Eye and I would be like, you know, I'm

936
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 4: going to sleep on the plane. This time. It turns

937
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 4: out I'm too big to sleep. Yeah, Like there's no

938
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 4: comfort when you're when you're of a certain height, Like

939
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 4: you can't comfortably sleep, there's no like you're it messes

940
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 4: every part of your body up. And I was so

941
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 4: stupid I forget every time, So all of my sleeps

942
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 4: would be like me falling asleep and then wake up

943
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 4: and be like that was eight seconds. Yeah, that was

944
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 4: an eight second.

945
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:55,240
Speaker 1: I very much sympathize. I am a small and compact person,

946
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: so I can sleep on planes. But my husband is not,

947
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: and he he has a lot of trouble just even

948
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: kind of like sitting planes are really like made for

949
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,800
Speaker 1: us sort of average smaller folk, which I think is unfair.

950
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 4: It's like turn of the century Eastern European factory workers, right,

951
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 4: Like that's exactly like that's when I was like house

952
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 4: shopping back in Massachusetts, Like that's who the houses were

953
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 4: made for half the time. So I wouldn't fit in

954
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 4: the room because I'd be like, this is for where

955
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 4: the tallest person was five to nine, And I'd be like,

956
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 4: that's fair. I can't walk through this house. I'm not

957
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 4: going to pay money for it, right, same thing with planes,

958
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 4: Like it's tough. These penguins, however, they would do great

959
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 4: on these planes. And imagine getting on a plane and

960
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 4: it was just a sea of those penguins in each season.

961
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: I would smell horrible, but I'd love it.

962
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 4: Like probably it would probably be very cold in there.

963
00:55:55,480 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 1: It would smell like rotting fish, probably like fish arts

964
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 1: essentially like.

965
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 4: A Spirit airline, just like Spirit.

966
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: Airlines, so it wouldn't be that different actually, So yeah,

967
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: that is an amazing superpower that these chin strap penguins have.

968
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: I'm incredibly jealous. And I'm actually a very good napper,

969
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: but my naps tend to be longer, like about an

970
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 1: hour at least at a time, Like I wish I

971
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: could do really short naps. I'm sorry, I love napping

972
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: so much.

973
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 4: If the sun is out, I'm awake, Like, for example,

974
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 4: like I woke up at five thirty this morning, not

975
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 4: by choice, but I because I'm an early morning person,

976
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 4: and once if the sun peaks through my window, my

977
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,760
Speaker 4: brain is immediately like you're up. And I've tried.

978
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: I'm a little jealous of that. I have struggle a

979
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: lot with like maintaining a good sleep schedule.

980
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 4: I don't have a good sleep schedules, like you know.

981
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 4: I found it out. I found that out I had

982
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 4: done during college. I got two good paying jobs that

983
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 4: were on opposite ends of the day. I was so

984
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 4: at night, I was a doc worker, so I was

985
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 4: a forklift operator basically from like six pm till ten pm,

986
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,720
Speaker 4: and then I was a mail sorter the next morning

987
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 4: every and I would have to arrive at four am

988
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 4: to the post office. And I was like, well, I'll

989
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 4: just sleep four hours at night and then four hours

990
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 4: during the day. And that's when I found out, like, oh,

991
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 4: I've never actually slept during the day. Yeah, And I

992
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 4: would try and I didn't, and I legitimately like went,

993
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 4: I started hallucinating. Oh god, I would see like motion,

994
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 4: like like mailboxes would look like they were running out

995
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 4: into the street while I was driving. It was crazy.

996
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: Well some of them do do that, like you know.

997
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, like like cartoon ones. Yeah, yeah, it was leg

998
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 4: yeah ones sometimes, but yeah, so that was That's how

999
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 4: I found that out. So I'm jealous. Anytime you mentioned

1000
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 4: somebody being able to nap, I'm super super jealous because

1001
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 4: I'm like, I wish I could do that.

1002
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: We got to like inject you with some like uh

1003
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: chin strap na penguin DNA.

1004
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, of a man half penguin. Yeah, I think that

1005
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 4: would just be the penguin, right, You'd just.

1006
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: Be the penguin, but instead of like kidnapping people, you

1007
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 1: would just be napping in your house.

1008
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 4: Wave the kids out of it.

1009
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: Jeff, where can on people find you?

1010
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 4: Well, you can find me across all social media, including

1011
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 4: my YouTube at hay There Jeff Row. I do a

1012
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:28,919
Speaker 4: lot of really neat stuff. I mean, obviously we brought

1013
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 4: up Jeff has cool friends. I do the Great Show

1014
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 4: Tom and Jeff watch Batman with Tom Ryman employed. I

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Speaker 4: So that's podcast. If you want to see me live

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Speaker 4: and you live in southern California, I do a Mint

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Speaker 4: on Card, which is my live stand up show, and

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Speaker 4: a toy store and Blast from the Past on Magnolia

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Speaker 4: in Burbank, California. I also open packs of trading cards.

1031
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 4: It's so fun, Katie. I open packs of trading cards

1032
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Speaker 4: on camera every Wednesday at two o'clock Pacific on my

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00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,080
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00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 4: I Must Break You luck Man.

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00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: I would love to watch videos of people just like

1036
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: cutting soap up into little pieces. So, oh that sounds great.

1037
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 4: Oh the sounds yeah. So there is an ASMR aspect

1038
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,439
Speaker 4: when you open up a pack of trading cards as well.

1039
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 4: But like, man, just it's so fun opening those cards

1040
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 4: and I give them away to follow up my Patreon

1041
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 4: but it's just so fun, Like it's just this glory

1042
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 4: of like it's like the first childhood form of gambling.

1043
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 4: You got us a because.

1044
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: You're like that it is actually it's like literally gambling though.

1045
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: That's the thing is, it's like it is actually gambling,

1046
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: but you know, but for Pokemon or whatever other trading cards. Yeah,

1047
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: that sounds fantastic. Do check those out. Jeff is a

1048
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: fantastic podcaster. And if you enjoy any of those shows,

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Speaker 1: thank Jeff's mother for giving birth to a frighteningly large baby.

1050
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Speaker 4: My poor mother, Katie. It was a blast having you on.

1051
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Speaker 4: You're an absolute delight and even though we are across

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Speaker 4: the world, I'm glad we are so yes.

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Speaker 1: Right now, Yeah, and thank you so much for coming on,

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