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Speaker 1: on today's episode of Reality with the King. Baby, I
Speaker 1: am here with my faith. Your faith. He is a friend.
Speaker 1: Listen the people who come on my shows who say, Carlos,
Speaker 1: you create a safe space for us, we feel so
Speaker 1: comfortable talking to you about things. That's how I feel
Speaker 1: about DJ Richie Scott. He's my safe space. I feel
Speaker 1: like Richie, if I ever do an interview about my business,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call you, because I feel like you will
Speaker 1: like make me feel so comful. I'm gonna tell you everything, Richie,
Speaker 1: but give it up, y'all for DJ Richie Scott.
Speaker 2: Hey, y'all. Good to be back. Good to be back.
Speaker 2: I love being a safe space. I always feel like
Speaker 2: when you're talking to somebody, it's like inviting them into
Speaker 2: your home.
Speaker 1: Yes, but today we are going to talk about what
Speaker 1: the f is going on with the Real Housewives of Atlanta.
Speaker 1: So recently Candy Burris did a lot I believe it
Speaker 1: was an Amazon Live if I'm not mistaken, and the
Speaker 1: fans were asking her like, what's going on with Atlanta Housewives?
Speaker 1: Are you going back? I'm paraphrasing, of course, but she
Speaker 1: says something along the lines of, we haven't heard anything
Speaker 1: in terms of a real update. As far as she knows,
Speaker 1: they're still casting. And one thing she said I got
Speaker 1: Twitter in an uproar and the comments were commenting is
Speaker 1: when she said they think we don't have lies like
Speaker 1: we have lies and nobody has time just to sit
Speaker 1: around a way for them, again paraphrasing, right, So Twitter
Speaker 1: was in a shambles about this, and next thing I know,
Speaker 1: the show is trending she's trending, and I wanted to
Speaker 1: talk to you because I watched your video about this
Speaker 1: topic as well, and I just want to really get
Speaker 1: your insight in terms of when you saw that video
Speaker 1: of her explaining what's happening with Atlanta. We are in January,
Speaker 1: and just so the world knows, when I've worked on
Speaker 1: that show, we always filmed in June and the show
Speaker 1: will always air in November. It is January, and in
Speaker 1: the words of Boys to Men, we're at the end
Speaker 1: of the road, honey, And in the words of Voice
Speaker 1: to Men featuring Brianmandnight, it's snowing. So let us know.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Atlanta's going to give us winter
Speaker 1: vibes Salta City, or are we going to get back
Speaker 1: to filming in May and Atlanta. But as of today,
Speaker 1: the Real Houseplots of Atlanta does not have a full cast,
Speaker 1: They do not have a schedule, and Candy has said
Speaker 1: that they all have lives and it's pretty unfortunate that
Speaker 1: they don't have an update. What do you take of
Speaker 1: all of this.
Speaker 2: I think the first thing that was interesting to me
Speaker 2: was kind of hearing Candy complain. Now, when I think
Speaker 2: about Candy I tend to think of Candy as I
Speaker 2: know this is going to sound bad, but I don't
Speaker 2: mean it to sound bad. I feel like she's more
Speaker 2: of a company woman. And what I mean by that
Speaker 2: is somebody that knows how to play ball, you know,
Speaker 2: knows when to go to work, clocks in, and is reliable.
Speaker 2: And I think the network likes that about her. Right,
Speaker 2: So it was interesting to me to hear what sounded
Speaker 2: like frustration on her part. What it made me think
Speaker 2: about was the amount of times that she was quote
Speaker 2: unavailable last season, right, So people were complaining about how she,
Speaker 2: you know, was kind of seeming like she was a
Speaker 2: little out of it, you know, not really participating in
Speaker 2: the cash trips or like kind of coming and leaving early.
Speaker 2: So my take on that was, Oh, she's trying to
Speaker 2: be prepared to get ahead of the ball so that
Speaker 2: she can get that schedule straight so she don't have
Speaker 2: that same issue that she had last season.
Speaker 3: That was my thought. As I listened to that, I was.
Speaker 2: Like, Oh, she got memo and she's trying to make
Speaker 2: sure she's ready and available.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know if she wanted that memo. I
Speaker 1: think she wanted a deal memo. I think she wanted
Speaker 1: the memo on the check, honey, that states where I'm
Speaker 1: going to be at what time and what place at
Speaker 1: the end of the day. Let's have a real conversation, Richie.
Speaker 3: Let's have it.
Speaker 1: The Real house Spots of Atlanta is a Q check
Speaker 1: and it's nothing to sneeze at. Now, when you have
Speaker 1: a consistent job, right, you know how to allocate your
Speaker 1: funds accordingly to this. To this massive check that you're getting.
Speaker 1: When you're getting upwards of two million dollars to film
Speaker 1: for four months, that's nothing to sneeze at. And I
Speaker 1: think what's happening with a lot of the cast is
Speaker 1: that's a lot of their income. Is the Real Housewives
Speaker 1: of Atlanta. I'm not saying that's Candy's whole income. Before
Speaker 1: people start, I wasn't suggesting that. What I'm saying is,
Speaker 1: I don't care if you're Oprah Winfrey, Tyler Perry, Steve
Speaker 1: Jobs Rest in Peace, or Steven Spielberg. Two million dollars
Speaker 1: for four months of work is a lot of money.
Speaker 1: When I saw that video, I didn't think that it
Speaker 1: was well, let me rearrange my schedule to shoot the
Speaker 1: shy in Chicago. I took it as like, Yo, we're
Speaker 1: not going to be sitting waiting for you guys, because
Speaker 1: we have to make money. We have to make money,
Speaker 1: and we're trying to figure out where our income is
Speaker 1: coming from for this year. And I'm not mad at that.
Speaker 1: I would think the same thing too, But what do
Speaker 1: you think is happening? Because I didn't finish watching the
Speaker 1: last season of The Real Housewives Atlanta. Based on what
Speaker 1: you saw, I'm assuming you finished the season, Richie. What
Speaker 1: do you think is going on over there to where
Speaker 1: I did. It's it's a delay.
Speaker 2: A part of me wonders if they are trying to
Speaker 2: maybe create some level of anticipation, some level of we're
Speaker 2: missing the show and the franchise. I really have no idea,
Speaker 2: because in my mind, it doesn't really seem like the
Speaker 2: smart play to wait this long, because after a while,
Speaker 2: I do feel like there's gonna be a lack of
Speaker 2: interest involved. You know what I'm saying, Like one of
Speaker 2: the things that I feel like a show like Love
Speaker 2: and Marriatimes. I'm just using it as an example because
Speaker 2: it was the last show I reviewed. Right gets so
Speaker 2: right when April is coming and I know without a
Speaker 2: doubt normally that new season is coming and what has
Speaker 2: happened in social media is not too far away from
Speaker 2: what's actually gonna air. That means to me, we're on
Speaker 2: target with the schedule. Okay, we're on target with it.
Speaker 2: So with this huge gap with for me, Real Housewives
Speaker 2: of Atlanta, it's been four months since that shows going
Speaker 2: off the air. Now, this is how I, in terms
Speaker 2: of Candy planning out her year, this is how I
Speaker 2: plan out mind right, because I'm thinking to myself, Potomac
Speaker 2: and marriat to Medicine are gonna end. What's gonna be
Speaker 2: your Sunday night show now? Because you won't have anything
Speaker 2: in the can. And so it would have made more
Speaker 2: sense to me that Potomac is airing and that Real
Speaker 2: Housewops of Atlanta is filming. When Married to Medicine and
Speaker 2: Potona go off boom, you got Real Housewives of Atlanta
Speaker 2: to take us from spring to fall, keep that cycle moving.
Speaker 2: So now you're gonna be left with this gap. You know,
Speaker 2: we're just gonna be left like on our Sunday nights,
Speaker 2: like with nothing to do. And it's just that's gonna
Speaker 2: be a huge chunk of in my opinion content for
Speaker 2: people who look like me and you. It's just it's
Speaker 2: gonna be a huge void there. So that is concerning
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 1: No, I agree, Listen, there is a lot to be concerned.
Speaker 1: It concerned me. Season nine my last season of the
Speaker 1: Real Housewives of Atlanta. I just remember working on season nine,
Speaker 1: and I remember feeling in my spirit, I was like,
Speaker 1: this is my last season. I just remember watching a
Speaker 1: group of smart, beautiful, talented, powerful women phoning it in.
Speaker 1: I just remember it was this one scene and I
Speaker 1: remember them phoning it in, and that was a very
Speaker 1: challenging season for me and for them it was. It
Speaker 1: was challenging, and it turned out to be a great season.
Speaker 1: It was a fantastic season overall, but a lot of
Speaker 1: work had to go into it, Richie, because they were
Speaker 1: phoning it in. And I remember having a conversation with
Speaker 1: them saying that you guys will not always be number one.
Speaker 1: It is a privilege to be number one, and when
Speaker 1: you are number one, you can't get comfortable. And at
Speaker 1: that time, Richie, season nine Atlanta Housewives was number one
Speaker 1: for possibly maybe six to seven consecutive years. So imagine
Speaker 1: seven years you have the number one show on the network.
Speaker 1: At one point in time, they literally got comfortable. I'm
Speaker 1: watching them be comfortable, and I'm watching them have conver
Speaker 1: stations about the most frivolous things that they didn't care about.
Speaker 1: And when I said that to them, I said, I'm
Speaker 1: going to leave this show one day, and you're going
Speaker 1: to miss having somebody push you to be great because
Speaker 1: you're pushing me away due to the fact that it's
Speaker 1: a struggle to get anything out of you, ladies. And
Speaker 1: when the time comes when you're not number one anymore,
Speaker 1: I want you to think about this day and just
Speaker 1: always remember I try to help you. I try to
Speaker 1: help you. So it does sadden me to see what
Speaker 1: this show has become, only because I gave them a
Speaker 1: fair warning. And if you watch my interviews with some
Speaker 1: of the Housewives of Atlanta, they'll tell you like, No
Speaker 1: Lows was like whatever, so bays on what's been happening
Speaker 1: these past couple of seasons. There has been this call
Speaker 1: to action of doing something, of doing something drastic, because
Speaker 1: we're missing the magic and a lot of people are
Speaker 1: demanding a reboot. Now, you're also somebody who's watched the
Speaker 1: show since day one? Are you one of those people
Speaker 1: who are championing for this show to have a reboot,
Speaker 1: or do you think, no, let's keep half of the cast,
Speaker 1: all of the casts from last season and work with them.
Speaker 1: Where is your head at in this?
Speaker 2: You know, I'm so glad you asked me that, because
Speaker 2: since we spoke earlier, I said, I need to really
Speaker 2: process this and I want to think about what the
Speaker 2: best response is. Right, So I started like concocting a
Speaker 2: list of who I would want back and who I
Speaker 2: think they need to bring on. So I think that
Speaker 2: we need to do a sort of soft reboot, right,
Speaker 2: similar to what they did with the row Housewives of
Speaker 2: New York. You know, I think it was season six.
Speaker 2: I said that earlier in my video, where they kept Ramona,
Speaker 2: Luin and Sonya and they brought in three new ladies.
Speaker 3: I felt like that gave the show.
Speaker 2: And then I felt like they hit the sweet spot
Speaker 2: the next season because they had sort of filtered through,
Speaker 2: like what's working with this cast and how can we
Speaker 2: finesse it to make it better? And then the next
Speaker 2: season they brought in eight women and it was on
Speaker 2: and popping. Not necessarily because it was eight women. I
Speaker 2: think it was because the women who were on were
Speaker 2: dynamic and they were willing to just give you whatever
Speaker 2: you needed.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: So, with that being said, my list in terms of
Speaker 2: what they should do, I think it's quite simple. I
Speaker 2: feel like we keep I noticed is going to sound crazy,
Speaker 2: We keep Kenya, and she doesn't quite fit with my idea,
Speaker 2: my ideal theory for the group. But I do think
Speaker 2: that the fans would be missing something. And I feel
Speaker 2: like she knows what to do, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like she knows what to do when the camera turns on.
Speaker 2: But I feel like Kenya needs somebody to work with.
Speaker 2: So I think that's the only downside to that, But
Speaker 2: I think I have a good solution for that. The
Speaker 2: other thing is we need to pay the men Married
Speaker 2: to Medicine love and marry times Field. The men are active,
Speaker 2: and I know that the men aren't being paid on
Speaker 2: Married to Medicine, but I feel like when I look
Speaker 2: back at past seasons of Atlanta, the men were active.
Speaker 2: The men were active and activated, and they were a
Speaker 2: huge part of the story, and I feel like we
Speaker 2: lose that with just the women, right, we lose it.
Speaker 2: So I feel like you got to get the men
Speaker 2: on there. Let them have some mess, and in that regard,
Speaker 2: I would bring on Tamar and I know this is
Speaker 2: gonna sound controversial.
Speaker 3: Jr.
Speaker 2: Seems like he's ready for the mess. Okay, No shade Tamar.
Speaker 2: She kind of swims in the mess too, like, and
Speaker 2: I feel like, let's pay.
Speaker 3: Her for it.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's pay her for it. She's given us all
Speaker 2: this free content on Instagram. No, girl, let's get you
Speaker 2: paid for it. That way, we got something else for
Speaker 2: Candy to do, okay, because I feel like Todd got
Speaker 2: a muzzle on in the background, all right, and there's
Speaker 2: no shady, But I feel like, Todd, come on, Todd,
Speaker 2: get get into it, because I know you got opinions.
Speaker 3: I know you got thoughts.
Speaker 2: And then the Tamar and Jr and Candy and Todd
Speaker 2: of it all. I need to see how that's gonna
Speaker 2: play out. I mean, if we're doing Shannan agains On
Speaker 2: Married to Medicine, let's bring those Shenanigans to Real Housewives
Speaker 2: of Atlanta.
Speaker 1: It's the Shenanigans meeting the stunt casting a phedra.
Speaker 3: I meant the is it a stunt cast for Sweet Tea?
Speaker 1: Oh? That was a stunt cast? You break up? Somebody's
Speaker 1: ex husband exactly that stunt cast.
Speaker 2: So yeah, but in this situation, I feel like bringing
Speaker 2: Tabar and bringing JR on. I feel like there's natural
Speaker 2: tension between her and Candy because we know that they
Speaker 2: can work it out and they'll fall out again. It's
Speaker 2: like the one of the best frenemy ships that I
Speaker 2: think we've seen in a long time that we didn't
Speaker 2: really realize we were getting. So I do feel like
Speaker 2: everybody on there, I want them to have active families
Speaker 2: as well. That was another reason for me bringing in Table.
Speaker 2: I mean, it works very well for some of your shows.
Speaker 3: So active family.
Speaker 2: When we go back to the core of what this
Speaker 2: show is, you need an active family, and this is
Speaker 2: all Atlanta.
Speaker 3: It feels Atlanta to me.
Speaker 2: The next thing I'm gonna say is, we got to
Speaker 2: get rid of Chara, We got to get rid of Marlow.
Speaker 3: I know. Let me tell you why.
Speaker 2: I said, let me watch Traders because I need to
Speaker 2: see what CHARAE gives me outside of Atlanta.
Speaker 3: Right, and Charay fades into the background.
Speaker 2: Definitely, she's a team player, but I think that's a
Speaker 2: little bit of her issue.
Speaker 3: She's she's I feel like she'll just do whatever you
Speaker 3: want her to do. I just don't believe her.
Speaker 1: Our mutual friend, Dustin Ross, he and I are recapping
Speaker 1: Huntsville on the Reunion and on part two of the
Speaker 1: Love and Marriage hunts for Reunion Melody allege that in
Speaker 1: court Martell said under oath that he is not in
Speaker 1: a relationship with Charae. They have a business relationship.
Speaker 3: It is the paperwork.
Speaker 4: You don't know what's in the paperwork, the same way
Speaker 4: in the paperwork in the four case where you were
Speaker 4: asked if you were in a relationship with shar Way
Speaker 4: and you said it was a business arrangement. That's in
Speaker 4: the paperwork too, verbati. You know, it's called the clerk typhon.
Speaker 1: And then Dustin said, well, you know, Charae is a
Speaker 1: known liar, paraphrazy. I know charm personally, Charae is one
Speaker 1: about good girlfriends. So Richie and he gave me this
Speaker 1: look like Carlos, you don't she lies about she? And
Speaker 1: I said, wait, what are we doing here, This is
Speaker 1: some of the fans for comedy. Carlos, you are tripping.
Speaker 1: Charae is a no liar, And I'm like the chara
Speaker 1: that I know. I don't see her as a liar.
Speaker 1: But what about But if I missing something.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you, Yes, you
Speaker 2: can't see it. Because she's your friend. I'm sure you
Speaker 2: get the real version of her. I feel like you
Speaker 2: probably get a more authentic version because she ain't got
Speaker 2: to act for no ratings or no check. Charay is
Speaker 2: a legend, you know what I'm saying. She's legendary. I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna take that away from her because I do
Speaker 2: feel like she has that helped establish Atlanta. But I
Speaker 2: just don't feel like she is part of the engine
Speaker 2: that's going to keep it going. I just don't feel
Speaker 2: like she got that thing right. Marlow, to me, is
Speaker 2: the cog in the wheel making the bicycle not be
Speaker 2: able to move.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Nobody can move forward because I feel like Marlow is
Speaker 2: creating drama for the sake of drama, Like there's nothing
Speaker 2: going on there. I mean, there's just lay archive. I'm
Speaker 2: happy for her and the boys. I feel like that
Speaker 2: that is amazing and admirable, but no, you just created
Speaker 2: too much Shenanigan's for me, and I just didn't believe it.
Speaker 2: Whether that's her fault or whether that's whoever's thought they
Speaker 2: told her to do it. I don't really know. All
Speaker 2: I know is it just it's like watching, Like what
Speaker 2: am I watching right now? Why this doesn't even it
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like anything that does that make sense?
Speaker 3: And when I'm watching I should feel something.
Speaker 2: So I just can She's in the words of Jasmine
Speaker 2: Henley Brown, she can be chopped, you know, love her
Speaker 2: in the fashions, use her for some Ultimate Girls Trip
Speaker 2: stuff or some Trader stuff.
Speaker 1: Isn't that no? To your point, I didn't even think
Speaker 1: about going down this direction, But it's very interesting. Isn't
Speaker 1: it interesting that they haven't used Marlowe for anything outside
Speaker 1: of just being a housewife, because you would think with
Speaker 1: her fashion like there could have been opportunities for Project
Speaker 1: Runway appearance since we saw Gazelle on Project Runway, Giselle, Wendy,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, to your point, why
Speaker 1: wasn't she utilized for other stuff? I think all the
Speaker 1: housewives from King I think Ultimate Girl's Trip, Charade, doing
Speaker 1: Traders candy, having spin offs after spin offs have to
Speaker 1: spin offs. I would consider Marlowe in terms of a
Speaker 1: friend of she's an og as a friend of all
Speaker 1: the friends of in the history of the franchise of
Speaker 1: her Housewife, she is an og for real, for real,
Speaker 1: But to your point, she hasn't been utilized a lot.
Speaker 1: And I never thought about this until this very moment.
Speaker 1: I wonder if it's because, to your point, is the
Speaker 1: audience connecting with her and if the network is connecting
Speaker 1: with her, or is she just somebody that you said
Speaker 1: they see as like going there, starts in drama and
Speaker 1: go home.
Speaker 2: I feel like that's it, and I feel like it
Speaker 2: only expanded when she became a housewife, and that's not
Speaker 2: what we look for in a housewife. I mean for
Speaker 2: me as somebody who's I feel like been around, you
Speaker 2: know since the.
Speaker 3: Beginning and was watching early ages of this.
Speaker 2: I just don't feel like she's it now if she
Speaker 2: wants to be a friend and I'm listen, I was
Speaker 2: campaigning for Marlowe to be a housewife, but once I
Speaker 2: got it, I was like, oh no, no, send it back.
Speaker 2: I would add in Kim and Croy. Here's why. They
Speaker 2: already got a lot of drama going on, so I
Speaker 2: know the check will be easy to get to them,
Speaker 2: like they'll probably take whatever you can I mean, whatever's
Speaker 2: being offer because they need it, right, that would humble
Speaker 2: Kim enough to come back and actually go to work.
Speaker 2: She didn't have to work before. I feel like, now
Speaker 2: she's got to show up, she's got to give it.
Speaker 2: But they would have to live in separate places because
Speaker 2: we can't have no police being called. Okay, I mean,
Speaker 2: I feel like there's a way you can deal with
Speaker 2: a sensitive divorce like this. You definitely saw it happen
Speaker 2: on you know, we've seen it happen on Married to Me.
Speaker 2: I'm pulling two shows that are my favorite shows right now,
Speaker 2: Married to Medicine Love and Mary Tunsville. We've seen it
Speaker 2: and we've seen it work for the show in the
Speaker 2: sense that you explore what happens to these two people
Speaker 2: when they part, and you don't just let one of
Speaker 2: them fall off the radar. And I would love to
Speaker 2: see how Kim integrates back into this group on a
Speaker 2: more humble tip, like I would really love to see that.
Speaker 2: I would also bring in Porsia and Simon. I think
Speaker 2: that there's an opportunity there, and Porscha is fun and
Speaker 2: that is what is missing on this show, that sporadic
Speaker 2: dose of just what does she just say we need
Speaker 2: that on the show. I just feel like that's something
Speaker 2: that's missing. And then I left a spot open for
Speaker 2: like a a random I picked Robin Andrade.
Speaker 3: She is. She was from Ladies Who List.
Speaker 2: She can help Kim look for a new house, and
Speaker 2: I feel like she would also be a good foil
Speaker 2: for Kenya as far as I know, two single women.
Speaker 2: And I just kind of feel like I don't want
Speaker 2: to make the show not about any women who aren't
Speaker 2: yet married or who just happen to not be married,
Speaker 2: because that could happen for them, and I feel like
Speaker 2: the reality is the wives are gonna have some single girlfriends.
Speaker 1: I have heard so many other people's lists. You are
Speaker 1: the first and only person, Richie, whose list I am
Speaker 1: not mad at. I can actually see that cast and
Speaker 1: be like, oh, I'm into it. And this is the
Speaker 1: thing about Kim Zoziak Beerman, regardless how you feel about
Speaker 1: her whatever. And I think that's the problem that I'm having,
Speaker 1: is the fact that I think the decision makers care
Speaker 1: so much about what folks on Twitter have to say.
Speaker 1: And I have to remind people in the world population
Speaker 1: only twelve percent of them on Twitter, and y'all based
Speaker 1: some very difficult decisions based on the twelve percent of
Speaker 1: people that's on this app, and of those twelve percent,
Speaker 1: only six of them watch Housewives. That to me is
Speaker 1: part of the other reason why the show has not
Speaker 1: been the same, because I feel like decisions are made
Speaker 1: about Twitter. I love Marlowe. Me and marlow are friends
Speaker 1: in real life. I love Marlowe. You admitted to being
Speaker 1: one of those people who wanted marlow to have a peach, right,
Speaker 1: You're like, let's have a peach. A lot of people
Speaker 1: wanted her to have a peach, and then when she
Speaker 1: got the peach, those same people said, we don't want
Speaker 1: her to have a peach nomore. So it's like, what
Speaker 1: do y'all want? If we listen to the six percent
Speaker 1: of people on Twitter who watches Housewives, that doesn't make
Speaker 1: up for the rest of the world. It just doesn't.
Speaker 1: And Kim Zosiak to me, I would love to see
Speaker 1: her back on the show. I would love to see
Speaker 1: her situation. I'm singing play out on TMZ and listen.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying bring her back as a peach holder.
Speaker 1: Maybe it is a friend so that we can kind
Speaker 1: of see what she gives. But I think the general
Speaker 1: consensus is some I think drastic has to happen. One
Speaker 1: of the things that I'm realizing that's happening with the
Speaker 1: show is this, I think the decision makers know they
Speaker 1: have to get it right. I think Atlanta is at
Speaker 1: this very crucial place in the show to where I'm
Speaker 1: not afraid the show being canceled, because I don't think
Speaker 1: the show will ever be canceled because at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, the ratings are good enough to where
Speaker 1: advertisers can make interest on the investment that they made
Speaker 1: during the commercials, So the show would never be canceled.
Speaker 1: But I think it's one of those shows to where
Speaker 1: it will possibly be on a real Housewives of Dallas
Speaker 1: Pauls if they don't get it right. Because the fact
Speaker 1: that this show was number one for almost seven consecutive years,
Speaker 1: and don't I think it's maybe number three or four.
Speaker 1: I don't know number one obviously, as you know, it's
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills Housewives. Below deck is high up there. All
Speaker 1: that The Pump Rules is an example of a show
Speaker 1: that that ratings have done well.
Speaker 2: One of the things that I felt like for me.
Speaker 2: Now I can't say whether or not everybody agrees with this,
Speaker 2: but I feel like I am actually really loving this
Speaker 2: season of Beverly Hills because I don't feel like the
Speaker 2: focus is on just the fight right. Yes, I'm at
Speaker 2: a point now I don't care about the scandal of
Speaker 2: it all. I want to see dynamic personalities, intriguing stories,
Speaker 2: and what people call storylines. I just think of it
Speaker 2: as what is your personal story, what is your journey? Like,
Speaker 2: I don't need you to have this whole thing plotted
Speaker 2: out for the year. I just need you to have
Speaker 2: an interesting life. That's where I'm at right now with it,
Speaker 2: and that's what is intriguing because I feel like they're
Speaker 2: pacing it, They're pacing themselves, They're just the stories are
Speaker 2: just are just developing and new things are happening. And
Speaker 2: where I have a like for Erica and I just
Speaker 2: I didn't even like I didn't like her for the
Speaker 2: past three seasons, Wow, I'm enjoying her now. So it
Speaker 2: just feels different. And I do feel you that it
Speaker 2: is make or break at this point. But I think
Speaker 2: that at least with the list that I felt like
Speaker 2: I came up with, I tried to focus it on personalities. Yes,
Speaker 2: and I think that's what makes Atlanta so hard because
Speaker 2: they've got such big personalities. I think it's hard to
Speaker 2: bring in a person that we don't know. It would
Speaker 2: be hard to It could be hard to find a Monica, right.
Speaker 1: I Carlos King the first. If you're out there, I'm
Speaker 1: looking for the black Monica Garcia. If you're out there,
Speaker 1: please DM me, email me. Carlos King is making a
Speaker 1: call to action, a public declaration. I am looking for
Speaker 1: the black Monica Garcia. And if you exist, I don't
Speaker 1: care where you are. I would build a show around you. Okay.
Speaker 1: I built a show around Melody Hilton Huntsville, so let's
Speaker 1: I've built a show Avola teacher Pearson in Jackson, Mississippi.
Speaker 1: Don't play with my skill set. If you are somebody
Speaker 1: that considers yourself the black Monica Garcia called Carlos Key
Speaker 1: at what eight hundred find me? But you're right, you're right.
Speaker 1: It's so it's a make up break season for them.
Speaker 1: What I think is happening is they want to get
Speaker 1: it right, and it's it's not something to where they
Speaker 1: feel like we have a whole missing, to where we
Speaker 1: gotta fell it right. I think they probably have things
Speaker 1: in development that can like take the place of the
Speaker 1: time slot. But I do think this. I like to
Speaker 1: relate these celebrity issues with everyday people. At the end
Speaker 1: of the day, these women were getting paid. Some are
Speaker 1: getting paid more than two million dollars for four months
Speaker 1: of work. A large part of that we're getting paid
Speaker 1: over one million dollars for four months of work. You
Speaker 1: are an entrepreneur, just like me, right, I sign checks, okay,
Speaker 1: and this is coming from somebody who signs checks with
Speaker 1: my production company. If I'm paying somebody a salary of
Speaker 1: two million dollars for four months of work and I
Speaker 1: feel like you've been coasting for a year or two,
Speaker 1: you better believe I'm going to take my time to
Speaker 1: figure this out. I don't know anybody in the world,
Speaker 1: or any job in the world where you can get
Speaker 1: paid two million dollars for four months of work and
Speaker 1: give nothing. It's to me, it's the goal of the
Speaker 1: privilege that you can sit up there and get paid
Speaker 1: so much money and not even give everything to the work.
Speaker 1: And now that the work is not there anymore, I'm
Speaker 1: now feeling what it's like when your employer is putting
Speaker 1: you on notice because of the high salary. We all
Speaker 1: go through that in America every day. People go through
Speaker 1: that all the time time. So and I love all
Speaker 1: the girls, I really do, you know that, and some
Speaker 1: of them are my friends. I don't feel sorry for
Speaker 1: anybody who made that much money and didn't do one
Speaker 1: hundred percent of the work. And you're now wondering, like,
Speaker 1: what's going on with this show? That should have been
Speaker 1: your focus day one when you were making this gross
Speaker 1: amount of money. And I agree with the decision makers.
Speaker 1: I will take my time too. That's richie, that's a
Speaker 1: lot of money. You want me to open up the
Speaker 1: Brinks truck give out at least at least eight million
Speaker 1: dollars for the entire cast. Okay, let's just say it's
Speaker 1: eight million total for all the cast members. You want
Speaker 1: me to rush a decision of investing eight million dollars
Speaker 1: into something that hasn't been great. I don't know nobody's
Speaker 1: job performance where you can be the number one employee
Speaker 1: and slide all the way down to number three or four,
Speaker 1: and you expect your job to be safe. You expect
Speaker 1: me to rush to to to rehire you. No, that's
Speaker 1: not how it works in the real world. And I
Speaker 1: hope that whatever happens to these girls, I just hope
Speaker 1: that they understand that this is a job and if
Speaker 1: you don't perform, well, this is what happens to you.
Speaker 2: I still go back to the people that I listed
Speaker 2: in my opinion, these are something. These could be some
Speaker 2: motivated people a table. I feel like it's motivated. I
Speaker 2: feel like she's at a hungry at a hungry place.
Speaker 2: And I don't mean that in a bad way, because
Speaker 2: they already have the relationship with her at NBC Universal, Right,
Speaker 2: so why not extend that Kim should be ready to work.
Speaker 1: I think Kim will go back if they ask her to.
Speaker 1: But I think I think there's a lot of politics
Speaker 1: and personal feelings involved in that in that decision.
Speaker 2: When we talk about politics, right, how much of network
Speaker 2: politics play into a decision to hire or fire someone,
Speaker 2: even at the expense of the show.
Speaker 1: Listen, I will say this, Obviously, every networks ran and
Speaker 1: operated differently, right. One thing that I've always done I
Speaker 1: don't take my personal feelings and apply it to casting
Speaker 1: decisions on my shows. The only thing I apply with
Speaker 1: my shows in terms of casting decisions is the performance value.
Speaker 1: That's it. It's all I do performance value, and I'm
Speaker 1: aware that some you know, there may be a season
Speaker 1: you were great and there's a season where you fell off,
Speaker 1: and typically, like anybody, you pick it back up the
Speaker 1: next season. No one of my shows have coasted for
Speaker 1: consecutive seasons. No, ma'am, it would. You would have to
Speaker 1: make difficult decisions because you know, look, let's talk about
Speaker 1: Love and Match for example, we are taping our upcoming
Speaker 1: season right now, and I know people like Carlos you
Speaker 1: rush to talk about other shows and not your own. Yes, honey,
Speaker 1: because I get paid to produce a show for a network,
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to tell my rain drops some
Speaker 1: tea about my shows when the network is paying me
Speaker 1: to produce it in the current moment. So stop asking
Speaker 1: me to rush to my claw fust to give y'all
Speaker 1: breaking news on my shows, because I can't do it
Speaker 1: because I am getting paid to make sure my shows
Speaker 1: are sacred so y'all can watch it. Okay. I always
Speaker 1: said this, though, I feel like when it comes to
Speaker 1: the Housewives, I feel like a lot of it is
Speaker 1: politics based on who they're casting or firing or who
Speaker 1: they're keeping. There's a lot of people across all the
Speaker 1: franchises when I'm like, why are they still on this show?
Speaker 1: There's nothing more to offer, you know, especially when the
Speaker 1: Real Housewives brand is sink or swim, is you got one?
Speaker 1: It's like the eminem eight mile song, you got one
Speaker 1: shot to give it all you got and if you don't,
Speaker 1: you're out of there. So that's the reason why Richie,
Speaker 1: you see some desperation from these women, fighting for no
Speaker 1: reason because they're like, I need to get a second season.
Speaker 1: So yes, Unfortunately in some scenarios we're seeing that with Potomac.
Speaker 1: If the goalpost is what we've seen, y'all got rid
Speaker 1: of Charae after season four, and Charay had a great
Speaker 1: season four when she went to Africa and the Hub
Speaker 1: e but Marlowe, but y'all got rid of her. I
Speaker 1: didn't say anything. It was like, well, damn, okay. I
Speaker 1: guess that just means like, no, you got to bring
Speaker 1: it every season. You can't coast and not saying she
Speaker 1: was coasing. But that was their threshold. So when I
Speaker 1: watch certain shows, I'm like I watched Jersey, I'm like,
Speaker 1: why is she She's still on the show? And I
Speaker 1: look at my own stuff. Right in terms of like, okay,
Speaker 1: like I'm going through this right now. It's one of
Speaker 1: those things to where you have to reassess every season
Speaker 1: and say what's going on. And because I don't base
Speaker 1: my decisions off of Twitter, there's people who champion some
Speaker 1: of my cast members to be fired, like get rid
Speaker 1: of her, she's mean, she's a bully, get rid of her,
Speaker 1: get rid of him, get rid of them. You know.
Speaker 1: I get that all the time, and I don't pay
Speaker 1: attention to it because I know that at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, you can love somebody one season and
Speaker 1: hate them the next and go in and reverse. And
Speaker 1: I also know that when one person has a fan base,
Speaker 1: that fan base attacks the next person, and then that
Speaker 1: fan base attacks this person. So I don't feed into
Speaker 1: all of that. So what I do as a producer
Speaker 1: I sit back and I say, Okay, what do they
Speaker 1: have going on coming into this season? And if I
Speaker 1: feel like they don't have much going on, then you know,
Speaker 1: some tough decisions have to be made, and that's just
Speaker 1: what it's going to have to be. But I definitely
Speaker 1: think when it comes to Atlanta, I just think there's
Speaker 1: so much politics and personal feelings, and I think that
Speaker 1: would be the detriment of that show if they don't
Speaker 1: get a right this upcoming season.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: I totally agree with you on that, And I think
Speaker 2: there's also this thing of like, I'm not trying to
Speaker 2: be in the bubble of people who say, oh I
Speaker 2: don't like this person because I didn't like what they
Speaker 2: necessarily what they get to the favorite person.
Speaker 3: Yes, it is not that. It is for me.
Speaker 2: I'm asking what are you able to contribute as we
Speaker 2: move into this next space? Right, as we continue to
Speaker 2: move forward, do you can I figure out a way
Speaker 2: where we can still include you in this engine in
Speaker 2: a meaningful way and still in your value?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Yes, But if I don't see the value in it,
Speaker 2: then I have to say, I mean just for me
Speaker 2: as a this is just as a fan perspective, like
Speaker 2: you can go. That's why I said that about Charade,
Speaker 2: That's why I said that about Marlowe. It's nothing personal
Speaker 2: against them. It is what are you giving me, right?
Speaker 2: And what are you giving to the cast?
Speaker 1: Do you want Sonya and Drew to go as well?
Speaker 3: Oh? Yes, they were not on my list at all. No, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: The reason for the Drew situation, the reason we got
Speaker 2: to drop Drew is because I feel like she really
Speaker 2: gives nothing, Okay, and I don't believe her either. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's the other thing. I think she's a great actress,
Speaker 2: but like, for instance, with the whole Ralph situation, I
Speaker 2: really feel like we didn't get all the stuff that
Speaker 2: was going on in the news. Nothing was like she
Speaker 2: didn't tell us anything. And granted not everything is for us.
Speaker 2: I get that, but this is something that was a part,
Speaker 2: a huge part of your store and this is a
Speaker 2: big gap. And Sanya, to me, I evaluated a couple
Speaker 2: of other things as well, what can you bring us
Speaker 2: big events?
Speaker 3: And Sanya can do that? Right? Can you do?
Speaker 2: You have the family? Sanya has that. But it's Sanyo're
Speaker 2: right for this group? No, In my opinion, she is
Speaker 2: just not The personality is not where I feel like
Speaker 2: I would want it.
Speaker 3: And she seems like a very sweet woman. Yeah she is.
Speaker 3: I'm not even gonna I'm not gonna.
Speaker 2: Lie about that, but personality wise, if you are a Kenya,
Speaker 2: who's up here, okay, and you gotta Sanya, it's just like, oh,
Speaker 2: the little bird is just flown in and she don't
Speaker 2: know what she's flying with these with the with the Hawk.
Speaker 1: Now listen. I will say this, Atlanta is a very
Speaker 1: difficult city to cast, so I think that will be
Speaker 1: their challenge too. But I'm looking forward to see what's
Speaker 1: going on. And I'll leave you with this, Richie. So
Speaker 1: I have a new shell coming out called Bold and Bougie.
Speaker 1: It's based in Atlanta. It comes out in February. The
Speaker 1: date will be announced in a couple of days, so
Speaker 1: stay tuned for that. But it's based in Atlanta. And
Speaker 1: we have Malaysia Pargo from Basketball Wives, Tamika Foster Raymond,
Speaker 1: the ex wife of Ushri. We got Crystal Rene, the
Speaker 1: ex wife of Neo. We got Princess Batton Lofts, who
Speaker 1: was one of the producers developers of the Real Hospitals
Speaker 1: of Atlanta. And then we have Goche Hawkins, who is
Speaker 1: known online of Housewives as the woman with the blue
Speaker 1: hair who told Dmitro so I also dated Roger Bob.
Speaker 1: So we have them. And what I will say is
Speaker 1: this because that show is based in Atlanta. So I'm
Speaker 1: going someplace with this, not just doing a shameless plug.
Speaker 1: The beauty of this show, and Richie, this show is funny.
Speaker 1: You're gonna love it. Because it's mature and it's funny,
Speaker 1: and they're not throwing drinks on each other and they're
Speaker 1: not like throwing shade for the sake of getting a moment.
Speaker 1: It's real life stuff and it's real personal story and
Speaker 1: it's funny. And the reason why I'm bringing the show
Speaker 1: up is because it's an Atlanta based show with women
Speaker 1: who live in Atlanta. And I don't see any of
Speaker 1: those women in Atlanta Housewives. I just don't. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you why. It's because these women have one common bond,
Speaker 1: and that's the fact that in Atlanta, friendships are surfaced,
Speaker 1: Like I see you at the parties or the branches
Speaker 1: or the events, and we know each other, but do
Speaker 1: really know each other. So you're about to watch a
Speaker 1: cast who all know each other, know of each other,
Speaker 1: but they're about to really get to know each other.
Speaker 1: And Malaysia and Goshet are like the ones who bring
Speaker 1: them together. And yeah, yeah, when you watch the season,
Speaker 1: we'll come back to this because there's a force multiplier
Speaker 1: who is multiplying and I'm like, I watch her work
Speaker 1: like she's like the octopus who comes out and she
Speaker 1: knows how to like get these people it's very interesting,
Speaker 1: and she does it so smooth. And the beauty of
Speaker 1: this show is Malaysia is such a great piece of talent,
Speaker 1: and you're going to see a side of her that
Speaker 1: you have never seen on Basketball Wives. Like, she's not
Speaker 1: this person who's gonna pick up a table and throw it.
Speaker 1: I don't want to give it away, but it's so interesting.
Speaker 1: So when I was when I was watching these episodes
Speaker 1: in the field taping the show, I really was like,
Speaker 1: it goes to show you that there is some life
Speaker 1: still left in Atlanta. But there was no politics going
Speaker 1: into casting Bold and Bougie. It was finding the right
Speaker 1: women who have this shared commonality. But how interesting is
Speaker 1: it to watch a friendship develop and to see what
Speaker 1: happens in the end. So when it comes to Land
Speaker 1: of Housewives, it's one of those things where we missed
Speaker 1: the fact that you had women not best friends. Cynthia
Speaker 1: and Nini met on the show. The only real friends
Speaker 1: across all the franchises is Robin and Gizelle and Mary
Speaker 1: Saw and Alexia. The rest of them are friends courtesy
Speaker 1: of the shop. But my point is it goes to
Speaker 1: show you that if you find the right mix of
Speaker 1: people you can find people to form real friendships Cynthia
Speaker 1: and Nini Phadrank, Candy Porchutt and Phaedra like. It can happen,
Speaker 1: but you gotta find the right mix and make tough decisions.
Speaker 1: And my hope is that Atlanta Housewives does that. But
Speaker 1: as of now, the show is still on Paul's I
Speaker 1: think in the next few months they'll get it right.
Speaker 3: It's so funny that you mentioned the new show.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you did because I was breaking down a
Speaker 2: clip earlier in my video of Evelyn and.
Speaker 3: Jackie going at it.
Speaker 2: I saw that and I was thinking to myself, how
Speaker 2: odd it must be that these two women are fighting
Speaker 2: over Malaysia. Who is never returning to that Well, I
Speaker 2: can't say never, but I'm just saying, she got a
Speaker 2: whole new show.
Speaker 1: She ain't returning to that show. Baby, Malaysia is not
Speaker 1: the Kingdom.
Speaker 2: So I was in my mind, I was thinking, like,
Speaker 2: y'all fighting over something that has been Malaysia got a
Speaker 2: whole new thing going on, and it just kind of
Speaker 2: makes me kind of think about like it is Basketball
Speaker 2: Wives going in a downward direct. I mean, that's a
Speaker 2: whole other conversation. But it's just kind of like, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm glad Malaysia is being utilized because I felt like
Speaker 2: she was underutilized on Basketball Wives.
Speaker 1: You know, and I'm happy about it too. So yes,
Speaker 1: I mean, look, we are rooting for the real hospitals
Speaker 1: of Atlanta. We want to see it when despite what
Speaker 1: you may want to read in between the lines or
Speaker 1: think we're telling the truth, we do want the show
Speaker 1: to win. But I think in order for the show
Speaker 1: to win, listen, you can hire anybody in the world,
Speaker 1: but got to make sure these women work and these
Speaker 1: women have a clock in. And my hope is that
Speaker 1: these women now feel it because when you're when you
Speaker 1: are so comfortable for so long, I think it's a
Speaker 1: good thing to sometimes let people know this can be
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