1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Hmm, what's barking my dogs? That was a good intro. Sophia. 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: Sophia approved, Anna good, I said, woof, woof, woof, woof. Excellent. Yeah, 3 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: this is the third part of our anti vaccination episode. 4 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 1: We are exhausted. We all just broke after the wakefield. 5 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: One cried a little while I went and got six 6 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: vaccinations just now. I've been I've been doing nothing but 7 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: breaking open and shotgunning in themr vaccines since we started 8 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: doing this. Oh yeah, how how are you feeling? You know? 9 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: Pretty good? You mixed with a little bit of coconut 10 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: water and rum and it's actually a pretty nice cocktail. 11 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: You shoot that too, Yeah, I mean I boof it. 12 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of boofing when you put it 13 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: up your butt. Oh you didn't listen to the new 14 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 1: Supreme Court Justices congressional testimony. They talked about it. Oh God, 15 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: that was one of my favorite. I mean, it was 16 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: all horrible, like Kavanaugh confirmation. It was heartbreaking, but like 17 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: the fact that that came up. Like when I was 18 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: eighteen and nineteen, my friends and I would joke about 19 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:05,759 Speaker 1: and occasionally do it because we just thought the term 20 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 1: boofing was hilarious. We I remember it now from when 21 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: I was a teenager. That's in Congress. Now that's in 22 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: cong like that's there's no like history books. Kids are 23 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 1: going to have to learn about the congressional debate over 24 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: boofing in two thousand eighteen. Well look at it this way. 25 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: It's amazing. Now you can, for all those kids who 26 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: are in college, look at the drunkest, craziest, most problematic 27 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: guy at the frat party and latch on because he's 28 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 1: going to be something. I mean, if that were true, 29 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: then I'd be on a straight shot to the Supreme Court. 30 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: Oh a lot of things. The problem is you picked 31 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: the wrong side after that. You were like, I'm going 32 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: to veer to the left a little bit. I mean, 33 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: I didn't stop being a problematic drinker and drug abuser. 34 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: Should have gone the other way, you would have had 35 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: a better future. I am against I'm against middle class 36 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: white kids sobering up. I think it's bad for us. 37 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: I think that's what turns us into Dick Cheney. It's 38 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: so true, so true, Oh my gosh, it's so true. 39 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 1: And that's why if I were to if I were 40 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: to sober up and deal with all of my problematic 41 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: substance abuse problems. I'd be invading Afghanistan ten years George Bush. 42 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: It's dangerous, okay, Yeah, but if anyone out there wants 43 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: to sober up, you should. You should. This is a 44 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: bad thing to be joking about. But I don't know. 45 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: I watched Vice recently, you know, the movie Vice. I 46 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: just wish you've kept drinking, right. This is why people 47 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: shouldn't get married to supportive spouses, because they might facilitate 48 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: marry and neighbor criminal. Yeah, exactly, exactly anyway, all right, 49 00:02:58,040 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: So this episode is coming at the end of a 50 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: two part on the anti vaccine movement, but it's about 51 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: a guy named Dr Robert spears Um, and he did 52 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: not fit into either of those episodes. This is why 53 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 1: we're doing this as a separate thing. But it was 54 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: actually the fellow whose story inspired me to do this 55 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: whole three partter um. I pretty regularly get suggestions on 56 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: Twitter from fans to write about shitty person X or 57 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: garbage monster why. And I do appreciate those suggestions, but 58 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: they're usually for someone I've already heard of, like Winston 59 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: Churchill or Chairman. Now people are already on the list 60 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: they're just gonna get around to doing their research. When 61 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: somebody suggested Dr Robert Sears, I was intrigued because I'd 62 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: never heard of the guy before. It turns out he's 63 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: actually one of the most famous pediatricians in the United States. 64 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: His dad, Dr Bill Sears, wrote a popular series of 65 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: parenting books. Now Dr Bob Sears is a vaccine denial profiteer, 66 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: essentially making his fortune off of the doubt Andrew Wakefield 67 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: set against the MMR vaccine. Dr Bob seems to have 68 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: gotten a start hitching onto his dad's start. Dr Bill 69 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: Sears you know runs asked Dr Sears dot Com, which 70 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: bills itself as the trusted resource for parents. Dr Bob, 71 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: along with Dr Bill's other son, both contribute to the site. 72 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: Here's Dr Bob's bio on Asked Dr Sears dot Com. 73 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: Robert W. Sears, m D is a father of three, 74 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: practicing pediatrician, and a co author of the Sears Parenting Library. 75 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: Dr Bob, as he likes to be called by his 76 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: little patients, earned his medical degree at Georgetown University School 77 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: of Medicine in n Georgetown. Both me and Jack went, so, 78 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: go on, you did do better. Georgetown do Better Georgetown. 79 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: He did his pediatric internship in residency at Children's Hospital 80 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: Los Angeles, finishing in Night. Dr Bob is the proud 81 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: father of three active boys. YadA, YadA, YadA. He likes 82 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: mountain biking, California waves, getting lost in science fiction novels, 83 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: and everything is quiet. Dr Bob enjoys very unique approach 84 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: to pediatrics by providing a combination of alternative and traditional 85 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: medical care. See a little bit of a thing there 86 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: that's a problem. Yep, alternative, alternative, that's one of those. 87 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: You're going to do a class on how to avoid grifters. 88 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: That's the first word to look out for. Alternative. He 89 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: has a passion for healthy natural living. There's another warning 90 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,679 Speaker 1: for it is sad that that is like that because 91 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: healthy living is a good thing. Yeah, if you eat well, 92 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 1: you'll be okay, But don't not do medicine. It's the 93 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: natural part that makes it skin because then you're saying like, okay, 94 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: well whatever else you're doing isn't natural. Yes, I think 95 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: you might be dishonest a little bit. He has a 96 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: passion for healthy natural living and incorporates this knowledge into 97 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: a style of disease treatment and prevention. That you won't 98 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: find in most doctors offices. By limiting antibiotic use, using 99 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 1: science based natural treatment approaches whenever possible, and focusing on 100 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: good nutrition and immune system health, Dr Bob takes preventive 101 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: medical sin to a whole new level. No, if you 102 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: remember from the first episode of this series way back, 103 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 1: that anti vaccine doctor who got smallpox, who thought that 104 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: his healthy diet and natural medicine would keep him from 105 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: getting sick. Interesting. Yeah, it's interesting that not only is 106 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: it the same school of I guess if you can 107 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: call it a school of thought up that's appearing on 108 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: the other end of this debate, but also what is 109 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: a little unsettling is I can see how that is 110 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: appealing to like people in l A and California and 111 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: Portland who's been sixteen dollars on a veggie rap exactly 112 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: trying to live a more natural, healthy lifestyle. But that 113 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: doesn't undo the efficacy of medicine as a whole. No, 114 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 1: And it's it's it's yeah, And I think some of 115 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,239 Speaker 1: it comes from just like if you're a naturally physically 116 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: robust person, like it can be easy to fall on 117 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: this whole of like, well, I could just keep being 118 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: healthy and I don't need medicine. Yeah, yeah, anyway, Now 119 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 1: there's some grifter keywords in there, like science based, natural treatment, healthy, 120 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: natural living. Reading a little bit further, he didn't brag 121 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: too much. He didn't brag too much, although I cut 122 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: out a lot. There's a lot of braggy's. He's a 123 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: pretty braggy guy. But there's a paragraph to a little 124 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: bit further on that brings us to the true focus 125 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: of Dr Bob's career. Dr Bob has a particular passion 126 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 1: for helping patients understand stand childhood vaccines and options open 127 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: to them and choosing the safest possible vaccine schedule for 128 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: their child. As the solo author of the Vaccine Book, 129 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,679 Speaker 1: making the right decision for your child, his in depth 130 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: knowledge of vaccines and the diseases they prevent his helped 131 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: parents nationwide get a better understanding of this complex and 132 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: confusing issue. Here's what the fantastic website Science Based Medicine 133 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: has to say about this book. The Vaccine Book. Dr 134 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: sears as sure as patients that there is a safer, 135 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: more sensible way to vaccinate. He wants parents to make 136 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: their own informed decisions about whether or how to proceed 137 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: with vaccinating their children, making sure to let them know 138 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: that if they do choose to vaccinate, he knows the 139 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: safest way to do it, and for paperback, he'll share 140 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: it with them. Okay, that's the keywords. All of it 141 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: is a keyword. Yeah, I know how to do it 142 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: by my product. Yeah, and informed decisions and yeah, just 143 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: lambasting those lazy errands who just trust medical science that 144 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: the MMR vaccine will protect their child. So he still 145 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: has a license, this guy. Sort of. Oh yeah, sort of, 146 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: we'll get to that. Okay, now. Uh. In the final 147 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: chapter of his book, The Science Based Medicine, the final 148 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: chapter of his book entitled what should You Do Now? 149 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: After reinforcing the common vaccine myths of the day, Dr 150 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: Sears presents his readers with Dr Bob's alternative vaccine schedule. 151 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: He places the side by side with the schedule recommended 152 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: by the American Academy Pediatrics and the CDC's Advisory Committee 153 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: on on Immunization Practices. So Dr Bob made a cunning 154 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: decision here. He's not anti vax, which is a completely 155 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: indefensible position from a scientific standpoint. Instead, he's trying to 156 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: thread the needle of questioning whether or not vaccines are 157 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: actually any good. His stance is kind of a work 158 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: of art of profit seeking spinelessness. Knowing he can't advertise 159 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 1: against vaccinating children and not be seen as a wakefieldy 160 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: and monster, Dr Bob decided to cash in on the 161 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: ill informed fear of vaccinations spawned by Wakefield without going 162 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: so far that his own medical license would get suspended. 163 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: I'm not saying don't vaccinate your kid. He's saying I've 164 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: developed a healthier schedule to vaccinate your which is such 165 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: a bush and also giving like talking to parents about 166 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,959 Speaker 1: reasons why vaccines might be bad. Oh, this guy sucks. 167 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: But also the medical community needs to get better at 168 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 1: dealing with this. Yeah, I mean it's hard to deal with. Like, 169 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: we do have freedom of speech. There's nothing stopping a 170 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: doctor from shooting out a nonsense. That's true, that's true. 171 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 1: Dr Bob's book was released in two thousand seven. By 172 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: two thousand nine, and it sold more than forty copies 173 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: and found its way onto the New York Times best 174 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: seller list two twelve. According to BookScan, his book has 175 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: sold over a hundred and thirty copies. Got at first, 176 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, this guy is clearly a quack, 177 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: like he's selling his product. We probably didn't catch on 178 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 1: too much the best seller list. This is now mainstream. Yeah, 179 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: it's very mainstream. No, I don't know Dr Bob, but 180 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 1: from everything I've read, he sounds like a guy who 181 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: has a truly fabulous bedside manner. Um. I'm serious about that. 182 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 1: I'm not a doctor, and I'm literally the opposite of 183 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: a doctor, but I have interviewed quite a few doctors 184 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 1: at length over the course of my career as a journalist, 185 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: and one thing that has been brought up repeatedly is 186 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: the fact that many great physicians kind of suck at 187 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: the whole talking to patients part of it. Yeah, exactly. 188 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: They can be really brusque, and you know, they're busy 189 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: and they see some ship and they don't want to 190 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: argue with someone who didn't spend twelve years in medical school. Um. 191 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: And so when you have a guy like Dr Bob 192 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: who's great at talking to patients, who's really easy and 193 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: easy going and like is able to put them at 194 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: ease and comfort, they'll do anything he says and they'll 195 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: trust him. Implicitly. Dr Bob is a real doctor, but 196 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 1: he is not an expert on vaccinology. He is not 197 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: an epidemiologist, he is not a specialist on childhood infectious diseases. 198 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 1: Make no mistake when he talks about vaccination, he is 199 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 1: doing so completely out of his ass Science based medicine 200 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: gives a really thorough breakdown of exactly how dangerous Dr 201 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: Bob's rhetoric can be. Quote. He gives polio as an example, 202 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: stating that the risk of polio is zero and that 203 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: therefore the vaccine does not protect the individual child from 204 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: the disease. This, of course is untrue. While new cases 205 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: of polio no longer arise in the United States thanks 206 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: to the success of the polio vaccine, they do still 207 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: in other parts of the world. As is true for 208 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 1: many infectious diseases, imported cases and potential outbreaks you're a 209 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: quick airplane flight away. The more unvaccinated children we have, 210 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 1: the more likely and important case will lead to larger 211 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: outbreaks of disease. So yes, vaccinating protects the individual child 212 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: as well as the community at large. Ironically, polio would 213 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: likely have been eradicated from the Earth by two two 214 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: had it not been for the propagation of a vaccine 215 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: myth in the impoverished Indian state of Lutar Pradesh, which 216 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: in the year two thousand accounted for sixty percent of 217 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: all polio cases in the world. A myth at the 218 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: polio vaccination campaign was really a government conspiracy to sterilized 219 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: children prevented that campaign from accomplishing its true mission of 220 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: hurting the world from this horrible disease. That's the worst part. 221 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: We're talking about eurocentric, not just Eurocentric, but America, Europe 222 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: piece of the debate. But I mean it's global, it's global, 223 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:05,839 Speaker 1: and the CIA gets caught up in it too. When 224 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 1: are you going to this one? I'll probably do a 225 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: separate episode. Yeah, they carried out a fake vaccination campaign 226 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: in Pakistan in order to try to catch terrorists and 227 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: like made people stop getting vaccinated because like it's the CIA. 228 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: Don't do that. So bad, so bad, it's so bad. 229 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: But it's shocking that, like that's something that makes me, 230 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: oh God, Like it's one thing to overthrow democratically elected 231 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: leaders of a government. You expect this, You expect the 232 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: CIA and to train a paramilitary organization untied a peaceful 233 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: student movement, what you do? Yeah, but for the love 234 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: of God, don't funk with vaccines. CIA. You should know 235 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: that much. You can be unethical and not funk with vaccines. Guys. So, 236 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: first of all, this guy needs to see the movie Contagion. 237 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: Anyone who doubts vaccines needs to see Contagious. Great movie. 238 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: But how do they respond to because this is a 239 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: little more recent when Ebola was happening, Uh, and there 240 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: were a few cases that came to the US, like 241 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: by air and we're contained. Did they have a stance 242 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: on that? That's I feel like that's the closest we've 243 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,839 Speaker 1: come too outbreak fear in the last few years. That's 244 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: a really good question. I haven't read any of like 245 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: what anti vaxers said about it. I'm going to guess 246 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: there was a lot of we should just stop all 247 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: immigration from Africa. Uh, that's a good point, this is good. 248 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 1: I'm going to guess that it was something like that. 249 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,079 Speaker 1: But um, you know, I I don't know. I didn't 250 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: look into like what they were saying about Ebola. Uh. 251 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: What a mess. So it doesn't seem that Dr Sears 252 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: is a true believer in the bullshit he espouses, or 253 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: at least a lot of it. I think we can 254 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: assume that because of this passage from his book quote, 255 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: given the bad press for the MMR vaccine in recent years, 256 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: he's talking about Wakefield, I'm not surprised when a family 257 00:13:57,679 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: tells me they don't want the MMR because they're so 258 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: little risk of getting infected. I don't have much ammunition 259 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: with which to try to change these parents minds. I 260 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,439 Speaker 1: also warned them not to share their fears with their neighbors, 261 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: because if too many people avoid the MMR, we're likely 262 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: sea diseases increased significantly. So he's telling people, he's basically 263 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: buying into the Wakefield bullshit and reinforcing in the heads 264 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: of these parents who trust him that like, yeah, the 265 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: MMR vaccine might be dangerous. But he's also saying, if 266 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: you don't vaccinate your kid, don't tell your neighbors that, 267 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: because then enough people won't get vaccinated. What a contradiction. Yeah, 268 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: you know the vaccine works, Dr Bob, just tell them 269 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: to vaccinate their kids. But I trust you it stems 270 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: from that fear that anti vactor seem to have, which is, yeah, okay, 271 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: I guess it helps prevent the virus, but the virus 272 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: doesn't even really matter anymore. And also there's an individual risk, 273 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: and I want my kid to be okay, But that 274 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: individual risk seems to be predicated on false research, and 275 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: Dr Bob is one of the biggest proponents of the 276 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: individual risk thing, so that's what we're getting into. So 277 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: another thing Dr Bob advises is that the parents of 278 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: his patients might want to avoid giving their kid the 279 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: d T a P vaccine, which protects against diphtheria, tetanus, 280 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: and pertussis whooping cough, because tetanus is not an infant disease. 281 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: Diphtheria is virtually non existent in the US, so one 282 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: could create a logical argument that a baby could skip 283 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: the tetanus and diphtheria shots for a few years and 284 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: be just fine. That's Dr Bob's reasoning. Now, if like 285 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: most busy parents, you don't know much about epidemiology or 286 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: medical history, that might sound reasonable. It's less shrill and 287 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: crazy than then nuts. So vaccines cause autism crowd tends 288 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: to sound, but having done the fucking research Dr Bob 289 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: should have done. Science based Medicine points out that diphtheria 290 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: used to be virtually non existent in the U S 291 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: s R. When the U S S r fell, so 292 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: did vaccination rates in several former Soviet states. This led 293 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: to a nightmarish and deadly diphtheria outbreak in Eastern Europe. 294 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: Because yet again, that's how herd immunity works. We're not 295 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: taking these because the current risk of diphtheria is high. 296 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: It's so that it could conten used to not be 297 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: a problem. So her immunity is just as a concept, 298 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: non existent in the anti vaccine crowd. Yeah, because they 299 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: don't want their kids to get shots because their kids 300 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: are special. Their kids are special. Other kids aren't. Yeah. Yeah. Now. 301 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: One of Dr Bob's other big claims is the idea 302 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: that natural infection is better than vaccination. Here's the American 303 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: Journal of Pediatrics, who you might have guessed are not 304 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: big fans of Doc Bob. Quote Sears describes the value 305 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: of chickenpox parties. Some parents may purposefully get their child 306 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: exposed to get the disease over with. He writes, if 307 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: you've ever been invited to a chickenpox party, you'll know 308 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: what I'm referring to. Having the disease in most cases 309 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: provides lifelong immunity, better immunity than the shot provides. So 310 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: there's practically no worry about catching the disease as an adult. Now, 311 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: I think way back to the first episode of the 312 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: series on vaccinations. Do you remember how in the tenth 313 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: century Chinese doctors we're giving people ground up scabs to snort. Yeah, 314 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: that's what Dr Bob is advising. It's like, yeah, it 315 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: might work out, or you might get it. It might 316 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: be and this was good science, like a thousand years ago. Yeah, 317 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: even like this whole idea of chicken pox parties is like, 318 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: what don't don't there was a there was and only 319 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: chicken pox, which is not that bad in many people, 320 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 1: but with chicken pox there there was a bit of like, oh, 321 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: your friend hasn't you might catch it. But even then 322 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: my parents were like, don't try to catch it. Well, 323 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: because I don't know, maybe maybe I'm a little bit 324 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 1: of a nut for saying this, but I think if 325 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: you purposefully infect your child with a disease, that might 326 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 1: be child abuse. It might be might be might be 327 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 1: might be so ads products services, we are back. During 328 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: the break, we started looking at pictures of Dr Bob. 329 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: Sophie thinks he has a very punchable face. Anna and 330 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: I believe he looks like the stock photo model for 331 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: white doctor Um. She also had a picture of him 332 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: on like some new show where he's got glasses on 333 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,439 Speaker 1: that we're pretty sure if fake glasses just to make 334 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 1: him look smart. I mean, I'm shocked he didn't go 335 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: on and his doctor scrubs, yeah, with the stethoscope around 336 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: his neck in his suit. Now, part of why Dr 337 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: Bob is dangerous is that he makes what seems to 338 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:21,959 Speaker 1: lay people to be a convincing argument that there are 339 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: significant risks to vaccinating children. He bases this on the 340 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: CDCs Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System data. There's data, as 341 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: it's known, is basically something the CDC keeps track of 342 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: because they are exactly the opposite of the monsters Andrew 343 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: Wakefield accuses them of being. There are negative side effects 344 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: of vaccination sometimes in the CDC wants to know about it, 345 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: but Fara's data should not be viewed as an authoritative 346 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 1: list of the side effects of vaccines. Science based medicine 347 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: explains why quote everyone, doctors and patients alike is encouraged 348 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,199 Speaker 1: to use THEIRS anytime a vaccination is followed by an 349 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 1: adverse event, whether or not they suspect the vaccine is 350 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: the actual cause of the event. Being an open, voluntary 351 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: passive reporting syst them VARs is susceptible to fraud and abuse, 352 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: as anyone can submit a report. The purpose of the 353 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: system is to give a very broad look at possible 354 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: unforeseen events related to vaccination. It is a screening tool 355 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: from which trends can be observed, possibly triggering true validated analyzes. So, 356 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: in other words, various data can be used as a 357 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: springboard to study whether or not a given vaccine can 358 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: cause adverse reactions. It is not useful for determining on 359 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 1: its own the risks associated with vaccinations correlation. It's just yeah, 360 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: and it's just like it's everything. Like if anything bad 361 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: that happens within a couple of months of getting vaccinated 362 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: winds up on there, then you maybe look into it 363 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: further to see if there's maybe a causal link. Using 364 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 1: data that is not supposed to be used for this purpose, 365 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: Dr Bob has discovered that one in a hundred thousand 366 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: vaccinated people suffers what he determines to be a severe reaction. 367 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: He extrapolates from this that every single vaccine has a 368 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,439 Speaker 1: one and one hundred thousand risk of hurting every single child. 369 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 1: By cherry picking information in this very undoctorly way, he concludes, quote, 370 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: the risk that any one child will suffer a severe 371 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: reaction over the higher twelve year vaccine schedule is about 372 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 1: one hundred. The risk of a child having a severe 373 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: case of vaccine preventable disease is about one in six 374 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:11,959 Speaker 1: hundred each year for all childhood diseases grouped together. I 375 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: can see how that is damaging because it sounds real. 376 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 1: It sounds real, and people are bad at statistics. The 377 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: numbers are like, oh yeah, it feels right, but that's 378 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: that's study. That's not a real study. It's not it's 379 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: not real science. There's control, but it's like it's nonsense, 380 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: it's lies. Because again, this motherfucker has a medical degree. 381 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 1: He knows, he knows how statistics work, he knows what 382 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 1: he's doing. He's a he's a con artist. But it's 383 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: so I think he is more troubling than Wakefield. Yeah, 384 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, and he feels so mainstream. Well, 385 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 1: and that's how it goes with grifters. Is like the 386 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 1: guy who starts the grift in Wakefield is like the 387 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: first modern doctor who started that grift. They're never the 388 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: best at it. You know, they they just they they 389 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: plow that road. He went on, Alex Jon He went on, Look, 390 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: a lot of people are going to believe him after that. 391 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 1: But also so this calculation that one in six hundred kids, Uh, 392 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: the risk of a child having a severe reaction to 393 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: a vaccine is so high that brings Dr Bob to 394 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,959 Speaker 1: his million dollar question, Literally, our vaccines worth it? He 395 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: concludes that sometimes they aren't, and that parents should minimize 396 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: which ones they give their kids. He seriously asks, and 397 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 1: is this like what is sensibly a medical advice book? 398 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: Are measles even that bad? Has he had measles? I'm 399 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: gonna guess not usually not most cases and children passed 400 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: within a week or so without any trouble. However, approximately 401 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 1: one in a thousand cases is fatal. Uh, now that 402 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: measles is rare. Many years ago by without any fatalities. 403 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: Science based medicine put together a handy that measles is rare. Yeah, 404 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 1: why do you think gets rare? Not? Many kids die anymore? 405 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: So don't want don't bother with it? Yeah, Science face 406 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: Medicine put together a handy list of exactly how she sious. 407 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: Measles is just in case you think Dr Bob might 408 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,959 Speaker 1: have a point one in a thousand cases of measles 409 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: results and encephalitis with a high rate of permanent neurological complications. 410 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: In those who survive, approximately five percent developed pneumonia, the 411 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 1: fatality rate is between one and three per thousand cases. 412 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: Contrary to doctor series statement, death is most commonly seen 413 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: in infants with measles. Subacute glurosing pan andcephalitis is a 414 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 1: rare complication of measles infection that occurs years after the illness, 415 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: in approximately ten out of every hundred thousand cases. So 416 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 1: there's a lot more risks than just one in a thousand. Yeah, 417 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: and I think the idea that like, you don't need 418 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 1: to vaccinate your baby and they'll be fine. Yeah, it's 419 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: crazy because babies are the most defenseless. And by the way, 420 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: actual doctors who have done the actual numbers, Uh, he's 421 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: saying like one in dred kids will suffer a severe 422 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: reaction over the vaccine schedule. It's one in ten thousand 423 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: children will have a serious event following a vaccine. Sometimes 424 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: it's just a drop in blood pressure or an allergic reaction. 425 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,479 Speaker 1: That's much more common than developmental disorder. And we actually 426 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: have the Vaccine Court in the United States. That's whole 427 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 1: job is. It's a bunch of people who evaluate the 428 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: cases of parents who think their kids were hurt by 429 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 1: a vaccine to pay them compensation. Because we're saying there 430 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: will be some people. You know, you've got some human 431 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 1: biology is complicated. You're vaccinating millions of kids. Some of 432 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: them will have a negative reaction. Some people get sick 433 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: when you get certain vaccines. Some people get sick from 434 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: peanut butter. You can't not have kids get vaccinated. So 435 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: instead you established this thing by where if someone does 436 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 1: have an adverse reaction, they get a pay out. So 437 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: that because it's it's unfair to do anything else. Now, 438 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: I have a question, do you think vaccines, in light 439 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 1: of all this history now should be compulsory? Yeah, yeah, 440 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: I do, because I I think it's the same reason 441 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: why you can't drive drunk. I believe you have a 442 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,239 Speaker 1: right to be drunk. I believe you have the right 443 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: to drive. I don't believe you have the right to 444 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: drive drunk because then you're risking other people's lives. And 445 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: I think that just the way epidemics work, you can't 446 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: let people risk that for other people. Right if I, 447 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: if I could reorganize the world my way, the CDC 448 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: would be a global organization. Like it's like, there's nothing 449 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: more important our government does than try to stop the 450 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: spread of infectious diseases. Absolutely, I'm a big fan of 451 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: not having epidemics killed millions of people. Huge fan of that. Yeah, 452 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 1: big c d C. Stand. What should the penalty be? 453 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 1: You know, that's a lot harder to talk about, but like, 454 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: I think you could make a case that it's child abuse, um, 455 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: and so I think maybe there should be like a 456 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: family law thing or something like that. Like I I 457 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: don't want to get into like we should do this 458 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: penalty or that penalty, but like, if you're refusing to 459 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: vaccinate your kid, and especially if your kid gets sick 460 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: as a result of that, there should on other kids 461 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: kids get sick as a result of it, there should 462 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 1: be a significant penalty. And I think also having vaccines 463 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: be plentiful and accessible and free, yah is the way 464 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 1: you do that so that it's not poor people blanket 465 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 1: neighborhoods and drop them from the sky. Thousands of needles 466 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 1: filled with the m M by drone put them in 467 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: Cheetos or even Dorritos. Doritos. Every bag of Doritos comes 468 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,479 Speaker 1: with a polio vaccine. Yeah, handamout its cool. Hand them 469 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: out is cools. Yeah, put them in cigarettes. Fuck it, 470 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 1: vaccines and everything. Look, people think Alex Jones is radical, 471 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: but that's just because they haven't heard this podcast. Because 472 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: they haven't heard this podcast all of those suggestions. Philip Morris, 473 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: if you want to get in touch with me about 474 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: releasing a line of cigarettes with vaccines and them, I 475 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: will advertise your vaccine cigarettes absolutely, especially if it's that 476 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,360 Speaker 1: new lung cancer vaccine that Cuba developed, Why not put 477 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: that in a cigarette? Is that real? Oh yeah, they 478 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: got a lung cancer vaccine. Yeah, I put it in cigarettes. 479 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:46,120 Speaker 1: Why not smoke your way to not having lung cancer? 480 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 1: That's crazy. I don't know, Like I think it might 481 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 1: just be like limited types of lung cancer. I don't. 482 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 1: I don't really so many types. It only prevents against 483 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: the one type, the bad type, because I'll have the 484 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: good type. We all have the good type. Everybody wants 485 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: some good We did put HPV in the in the 486 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: cigarettes too, fine, Yeah, not even the vaccine, just HPV itself. 487 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 1: Try this new cheese. It's full of good cholesterol and 488 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: good HPV. Yeah, all the all upsides. So medical researchers 489 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: have been able to draw a direct line between Dr 490 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: Bob's bullshit and an actual epidemic. And two thousand eight 491 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 1: a seven year old boy returned from a trip to 492 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: Switzerland with his family. He brought the measles back with him, 493 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 1: infecting eleven other children, forcing dozens more to be quarantined, 494 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 1: and sparking California's largest outbreak in twenty years. That seven 495 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: year old was later found to be a patient of 496 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: guess Dr Bob Sears, So does he get in trouble 497 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: after that? Not for that, but he does get in trouble. 498 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: The story will end with some good news. Back in 499 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: mid two thousand eighteen, Dr Bob was put on a 500 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: thirty five month probation by the California State Medical Board. 501 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 1: The specific cause for this was that, back in two 502 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,679 Speaker 1: thousand fourteen, he wrote a bunch of letters to exempt 503 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: a toddler from childhood vaccinations. Dr Sears did not bother 504 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: to obtain a detailed medical history of the child before 505 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: he wrote these exemptions. On social media, he defended himself 506 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 1: by saying he took the kid's mom at her word 507 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 1: when she said her son had reacted badly to vaccines 508 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,679 Speaker 1: in the past. Here's Dr Bob on Facebook. Why accept 509 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 1: a settlement when I've done nothing wrong? A child and 510 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: his mother came to me for help. The mom described 511 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: how her baby had suffered a moderate to severe neurologic 512 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: reaction to vaccines almost three years prior, and she was 513 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,199 Speaker 1: afraid to judge in her upcoming hearing was going to 514 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: force her to resume vaccines. Now, isn't it my job 515 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 1: to listen to my patients and believe what a parent 516 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,719 Speaker 1: says happened to her baby. Isn't that what all doctors 517 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 1: do with their patients, After all, I don't want a 518 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: child to receive a medical treatment that caused more harm. No, dude, 519 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 1: doctors do medicine. Medicine isn't just listening to someone and 520 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: not do we tests. Yeah, we know your job is 521 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: not to listen to what a mom says and then 522 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 1: assume it's the truth without any study. But he has 523 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: this very specific way of appealing. It's almost like rooted 524 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: in his bedside manner. It's like I was just helping 525 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: my patient. Course, a parent is the highest authority on 526 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 1: their parents, don't let the government tell you what to do. 527 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: And this gets onto like a big issue I have 528 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: with like how a lot of people treat parenting in 529 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: this country like children or property of their parents, and 530 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: so like if I decide my kids should get homeschooled 531 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 1: and not get vaccinated, and that's my right as a parent, No, 532 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: you don't own your kid. You shouldn't have as much. 533 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, this will get into politics and 534 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 1: the government gets involved. If you are an addict raising 535 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 1: a child and neglecting your child, maybe the government should 536 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: get involved. If you're a crazy person, yeah, if you're 537 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: rejecting like life saving medicine. It's the same thing with 538 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: like those Christian scientists won't let their kids get like 539 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: blood transfusions and stuff, and their kids die, and it's 540 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: like that shouldn't be happening. Yeah, two thousand nineteen, I agree, 541 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: what are you talking about? So the downside of this 542 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: good news is that, unlike Doc Wakefield, Dr Bob has 543 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: not lost his medical license. He gets to keep doctoring, 544 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: if you could call it that, but he is on probation. 545 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: He has to take an ethics class in forty hours 546 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: of continuing education year he's on probation and another doctor 547 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: will have to watch him for everything he does, so 548 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: it is a severe limitation. It's not a good thing. 549 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: Is not going to change because he's got damn adult 550 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: grifter's mind. A grifter. I think the supervision thing is 551 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: good though. That's that is good. Yeah, Now, don't worry 552 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: about Dr Boff's lilihood. Though I could see that you 553 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: were worried that he wasn't going to get to make much. 554 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: Something tells me he's going to be just fine. He's 555 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: still got that book out. And I ran into a 556 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: website called Age of Autism, which bills itself as the 557 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: daily new web newspaper of the autism epidemic. In this 558 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: there were a bunch of posts from parents who were, 559 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: you know, in this anti vax sort of subculture, talking 560 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: about the news that Dr Sears had basically been put 561 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: on probation. I'm going to read a couple of their 562 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: quotes to close this autum. Posted by David Wiener June eighteen. 563 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: Medical licensing is a hoax, a wolf in sheep's clothing. 564 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: It is supposed to protect the public against bad doctors, 565 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: but in reality it protects the medical cartel. Against innovators 566 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: and competitors, innovators, innovators and not vaccinating your children. These 567 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: people need to get deadly diseases. Uh. Here's another one 568 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:18,959 Speaker 1: from farm Stir on June. Time to admit defeat. There 569 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: is no way of totalitarian vaccine dictatorship is sustainable. Terror 570 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: and force will not result in long term compliance. Quite 571 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: the opposite. You cannot maintain the illusion of vaccine safety 572 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: when the truth is just one mouse click away. This 573 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: makes me feel insane. Comments are so riled up. I 574 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: feel like I have brain problems, Like what, guys, what well? Ah, 575 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: so he's still out there. He's still out there, still 576 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: doctor bobbing it up, being a doctor, being a doctor 577 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: under supervision. You know, Okay, I know that you have 578 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: compassion for Jenny McCarthy and there are people who are 579 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: worse than her. Yeah, but maybe maybe here's the solution. 580 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: You get Jenny McCarthy on the podcast Oh there we go. 581 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: Who knows she's a host on the Mass Singer right now? 582 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: Maybe she needs a little Really, I see the bulletin 583 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: boards for that show. It just looks terrible. It is 584 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 1: a show from the future. That's how it feels. It's 585 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: like watching a show from the year psychea watching like 586 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: TV and The Running Man. Yeah, it's really wild. But 587 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: she is a judge, which also feels weird because it's like, 588 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: are we really going to ignore how problematic she is 589 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 1: because she's she's stopped talking about that. As much as 590 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: I understand that, I guess her a little bit, but 591 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: I think we need someone like that to come out 592 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: and say I was wrong, I was real wrong. We 593 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: need because I think the medical community can be bad 594 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: at PR. That's what all three episodes have to their 595 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: nerds there. Nes they're big, they're like, look, no, but 596 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: we did the study the right Also some of them 597 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: were bad and racist. Yeah, every so we need we 598 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: need better PR vaccination camp. Yeah, because the problem is that, 599 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: like it just seems like any time a doctor is 600 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: really good at that thing, they realize that they can 601 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: make more money being a grifter. Yeah, so all the 602 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: great doctors are terrible at talking to the cameras. There's 603 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: a doctor who has a big you two following. I 604 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: think he's called the handsome doctor. Oh that's not a 605 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 1: good sign. Okay, yeah you say that, but I think 606 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: he's good. Oh is he is he like doing doing 607 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 1: the good thing he hasn't gotten. Okay, at least he's 608 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: not peddling conspiracy theories and as much here I mean, 609 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: I guess I'm confessing something, which is that I've watched 610 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,719 Speaker 1: several videos by the Handsome Doctor. Is he really handsome? 611 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: He's so charming? And is he more handsome than Dr 612 00:32:55,560 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: Bob Oh? Is he more handsome than Andrew Field? Is 613 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: he more handsome than Alex Jones? Okay, that's where yea, 614 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: I wouldn't believe you. Then, well, because you've seen him shirtless. Yeah, 615 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: I've seen Alex June sless. We need a handsome okay, tweeters, 616 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: people on Twitter, totts, we need to convince the handsome 617 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: doctor to come out against anti baxers. There we get 618 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: the record straight. Because he has a following. It's probably 619 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: the same following that is like what happens when I 620 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: clicked these conspiracy videos. You could get to the you know, 621 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: that is what is necessary is like a sexy, charismatic 622 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 1: doctor who's not a grifter. Yes, or even if you're 623 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: a grifter, but a good hearted grifter who doesn't doesn't 624 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 1: grift on bad medicine, off these videos. Fine, fire, As 625 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: long as we needed tell people to get their MMR 626 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: shots for God's sakes. Yeah. So, if you're in the 627 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest and currently have measles, I hope the show 628 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: has made your suffering more bearable. Uh. You can buy 629 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,239 Speaker 1: t shirts from te Public if that will help your 630 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: measles in any way, don't resell them. Do not resell 631 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: them if you wear measles shirts. Yeah, because we have 632 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 1: enough measles that we have enough infected shirts. You can 633 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,839 Speaker 1: also buy stickers ont public behind the Bastards Anna Plug 634 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: Double Plug. You can find my web comic on Instagram. 635 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: It's bad Comics with an X by Anna with two ends. 636 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 1: It's about anxiety and depression and stuff. And I have 637 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 1: the same handle bad Comics by Ona on Twitter. Hit 638 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: me up. I'd love to know your thoughts on the 639 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: Handsome Doctor. Yeah, I'm gonna have to check that guy out. 640 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: Oh my god, if I'm butchering what his name is 641 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 1: on YouTube, I'm never going to forgive myself. Yeah. Well, 642 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: I'm sure they'll figure it out. Just look up Handsome Doctor. 643 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: It'll either take you to that guy or Dr bob Um. 644 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: I'm Robert Evans website Behind the Bastards dot com social 645 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: medis at Bastard's Pau, Twitter and Instagram. I'm I right, 646 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,720 Speaker 1: okay on Twitter. I have a book, A Brief History 647 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,359 Speaker 1: of Vice. Unlike Dr Bob's book, it will not lead 648 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 1: to measles outbreaks. It might lead to people drinking their 649 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 1: own urine mixed with tobacco and garlic, which is something 650 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 1: I did in the book to test an ancient meso 651 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: American remedy. It works. 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