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Speaker 1: What's up, faithful, Welcome into the forty nine Ers You've

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Speaker 1: got Mail Podcasts presented by Delta Dental. I'm Lindsay Plaris.

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Speaker 1: Today I am joined by a very special guest, three

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Speaker 1: time Super Bowl champion John Taylor, for an alumni edition

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Speaker 1: of the pod. John, Thanks for taking.

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Speaker 2: The time pleasure to be here.

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Speaker 1: We were just talking about this that I interviewed you

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Speaker 1: and Tom Rathman last season during wild Card weekend head

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Speaker 1: of kickoff. One year later, the forty nine Ers are

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Speaker 1: back in it, playing in their fourth NFC championship in

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Speaker 1: five seasons. You played in the dynasty era of the Niners.

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Speaker 1: What does it take for a team to reach this

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Speaker 1: level of success in the playoffs year after year?

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Speaker 2: It's one of those deals where the previous year you

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Speaker 2: feel as though you fell sure and you constantly had

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Speaker 2: that in your mind during the offseason, unfinished business. An

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Speaker 2: example when the Niners played Philadelphia last year. Now you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm from phillip I grew up back eats right across

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Speaker 2: the bridge from Philly, so I had to for a

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Speaker 2: full year live with them what they did to us, right,

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Speaker 2: And this was my explanation to them, I said, listen,

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Speaker 2: I said, you guys beat us. You beat us on paper,

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Speaker 2: Yes you did. I can't take that away from it.

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Speaker 2: You beat us on paper, But did you physically beat us?

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Speaker 2: And the answer to that question was no. I was

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Speaker 2: back there and they played Kansas City on Monday night,

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Speaker 2: down by ten came back in one. They played Buffalo

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Speaker 2: that following Sunday. Down by ten came back and went.

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Speaker 2: And I remember I flew out the following day, on

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Speaker 2: the twenty seventh, and I said to them before I left,

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Speaker 2: I said, I make your promise here. Now go down

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Speaker 2: to us by ten and a halftime. I guarantee you

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Speaker 2: you don't win. So they said, yeah, okay, right. So

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Speaker 2: I was back out here at the at the function

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Speaker 2: up at the Gold Bar in San Francisco, Treasure Island.

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Speaker 2: So you know, first kickoff, kick off to them, go down,

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Speaker 2: get three, three and out for us. They come back,

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Speaker 2: go down and field, get another three, come back to us,

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Speaker 2: three and out. We shut them down. Now we get

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Speaker 2: the ball back now, six touchdowns in a row.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: And I said to them, I called them on zoom.

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Speaker 2: It was like crickets. Nobody would talk. I said, I

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Speaker 2: said to this to you guys, Last year you won

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Speaker 2: on paper, but you didn't physically beat us, and this

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Speaker 2: year you found that out. And see, with going through

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Speaker 2: this scenario, you have to remember this is the third

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Speaker 2: year in the row that you're playing for the NFC

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Speaker 2: Championship Game. You played down in southern California against the Rams,

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Speaker 2: last year against the Eagles. Now here we are back again.

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Speaker 2: Excuse me, third times a charm. Last time the Niners

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Speaker 2: won a Super Bowl with super Bowl twenty nine, I

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Speaker 2: had this theory. Last time they won was twenty nine,

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Speaker 2: super Bowl twenty nine, right, this is super Bowl fifty eight, right, correct?

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Speaker 2: Last super Bowl you won was twenty nine years ago.

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl twenty nine and twenty nine years ago, Eagle?

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Speaker 1: What I like the signs. That's great. That's a good theory.

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Speaker 1: I like it. We were talking about this as well.

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Speaker 1: The forty nine Ers are coming off a grimy win

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Speaker 1: in the Divisional round over the Packers. Was their first

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Speaker 1: come from behind win of the season. What did you

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Speaker 1: learn about this team and that win?

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Speaker 2: They had no quit, no quit whatsoever. And the thing

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Speaker 2: about it is you sit in and you listen every

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Speaker 2: week every week about different analysts, how they how they

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Speaker 2: view the game, how they view Bock Party. Well, everybody

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Speaker 2: has their ups and downs with rock Party. But I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna say this, all he seems to do is win,

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Speaker 2: and that's all you want. And that's all you want

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Speaker 2: is to win, you know what I mean. No game

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Speaker 2: is ever gonna look pretty. You know, there's gonna be

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Speaker 2: your EBB and flow, ups and downs. It's about how

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Speaker 2: do you come back from that example, remember that three

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Speaker 2: game skid that we had. You lost to Cleveland, then

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Speaker 2: you come home, I mean, you lost to Cleveland, go

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Speaker 2: lose to Cincinnati. Everybody rocked rope rock Party off. Oh

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Speaker 2: he's not the quarterback Da da da da da. What's

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Speaker 2: he done since then? Just kept saying nothing, nothing but win,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And he's the type of

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Speaker 2: he's the type of young kid that the moment doesn't

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Speaker 3: I want to call back to your career Super Bowl

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Speaker 3: twenty three, Joe Montana. You helped complete a fourth quarter comeback,

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Speaker 1: Of the end zone. What are the emotions that you

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Speaker 2: It's that feeling that. Man, I've actually lived this, you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean, I've actually I mean growing up

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Speaker 2: whatever it is, you always say to yourself, if I

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Speaker 2: could make this basket, if I can make this catch,

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Speaker 2: if I can make this throw, we win the championship.

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Speaker 2: And it's no greater feeling to have the label of

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Speaker 2: world champion. That's a feeling that that's unbelievable. You know,

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Speaker 2: you wake up the next morning, look at the paper

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Speaker 1: Of course. So the last time the Niners and the

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Speaker 1: Lions played in the postseason predates your time in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: It was nineteen eighty three. What are your impressions of

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Speaker 1: this twenty twenty three Lions and Niners matchup.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna say this, you cannot take Detroit lightly.

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Speaker 2: People say, oh, Detroit shouldn't be there. Detroit earned it.

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Speaker 2: I mean they've earned it. Look at some of the

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Speaker 2: teams they beat. They beat Kansas City Chiefs that year,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. A lot of teams haven't

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Speaker 2: at the beginning of the year. So are the Detroit Lions.

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Speaker 2: Detroit has a young group that are hungry. They're out

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Speaker 2: to make a statement. They're gonna come in here the

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Speaker 2: weekend with nothing to lose because nobody giving them a chance.

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Speaker 2: You know, they right now feel disrespected in a way

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Speaker 2: You know, they're coming in here with a chip on

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Speaker 2: them no breaks. You gotta score. If they score, you've

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Speaker 2: let's be realistic. Look at the speed that they have

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Speaker 2: so it's it's gonna be a fight. I just I

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Speaker 2: just feel as though if the Niners play Niner football,

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Speaker 2: won't be no question you'll win the game.

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Speaker 1: One of the big question marks heading into this game

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Speaker 1: Wide receiver Deebo Samuel's got a shoulder injury. Limited in

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Speaker 2: Well, it changes it a lot of ways. I mean,

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Speaker 2: because there's another threat, you know. I mean, we all

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Speaker 2: So with him on the field, it's a complete different scenario.

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Speaker 2: You can't in a sense. You hear them talk about

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Speaker 2: during the year Rock parties full.

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Speaker 1: Arsenal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, who he had in his arsenal. Oh well,

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Speaker 2: if he doesn't have display the person, then they can't win.

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Speaker 2: I disagree with that. Okay, let's say Debo didn't play.

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Speaker 2: Next man Up's got a step up. That's how it works,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. You can't say, well you

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Speaker 2: beat us because we didn't have our number one receiver.

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Speaker 2: That other team doesn't care about not having you number

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Speaker 2: one receiver. That's not their problem, that's your problem. So

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Speaker 2: for us, if he does not play, next man Up's

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Speaker 2: got to step up. And Jenkins did that last week.

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Speaker 2: So I don't see, you know, if of course you

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Speaker 2: I said, next man up, let's keep moving.

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Speaker 1: We talk about the forty nine ers arsenal of weapons.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's plenty Christian McCaffrey, George Kittle, Brandon I,

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Speaker 1: the league. Does this lineup remind you of any of

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Speaker 1: the Star Sunted rosters that you played on.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, it reminds me pretty much of Super

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Speaker 2: Bowl team twenty three and twenty four. We were pretty

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Speaker 2: much the same same thing, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: We had players just in a sense lined up, you

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Speaker 2: miss beat. We're going to keep right on moving, keep

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Speaker 2: right on moving. And this team right here is pretty

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Speaker 2: much the same way. You know, you have guys that

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Speaker 2: look and you go, wait a minute, where'd he come from.

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Speaker 1: It's a nice seventeen yard reception at the end of

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Speaker 2: That's right. Player that came in just stepped up, and

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Speaker 2: that's what it's about. Next man up. Just take care

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Speaker 2: of your responsibility, take care of your role, and let's

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Speaker 1: One of the hallmarks of San Francisco's offense that has

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Speaker 1: stood the test of time is that pride that the

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Speaker 1: wide receivers taken blocking. We saw it in the eighties,

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Speaker 1: we saw it in the nineties, we're seeing it now.

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Speaker 1: How was that instilled during your.

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Speaker 2: Era, Well, we looked at it this way. You're not

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Speaker 2: always going to get a pass. The game is not

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Speaker 2: So if we're not getting the pass, the next thing

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Speaker 2: for us to do block for the running backs, you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean. I used to love blocking downfield

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Speaker 2: because my motto was like this, during the game, you're

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Speaker 2: a pass. So my philosophy was always this, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: get my shots just like you're going to take your shot.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: And if I'm coming downfield for a block with a

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Speaker 2: you like you try to punish me on a reception.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you gotta give it, yeah, right.

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Speaker 2: So we just we just kept that mentality all along.

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Speaker 2: It was about, you know, and a lot of times

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Speaker 2: we would joke with each other as receivers to see

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Speaker 2: if you took care of your block on this particular play,

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Speaker 2: because you know, when you go in the meetings, it's

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Speaker 2: easy to rewind that filmy, Hey, did you get such?

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Speaker 2: Said yeah, I got him in everybyd the film Here

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Speaker 2: you are over here and he's down here.

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Speaker 1: The tape tells all the tape.

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Speaker 2: As Bill used to say to us, the eye and

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Speaker 2: the sky don't lie.

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Speaker 1: You're one of a few receivers that got to play

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Speaker 1: with Joe Montana and also Steve Young. You saw what

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Speaker 1: that they had that made them championship caliber quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: The determination that they didn't have no quit in him,

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Speaker 2: regardless of how the game was going along, how it

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Speaker 2: was progressing along. Didn't quit. We didn't give up, you

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Speaker 2: my granddaughter, you know, nothing beat.

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Speaker 1: This one's from ann Annie twenty five. Mike Wilson said,

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Speaker 1: during your era, you all used to play charity basketball.

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00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 1: So who were the best ballers on the forty nine ers?

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00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 2: Everybody but me? See I was when I played. I

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00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 2: would I didn't have no I wasn't a big basketball

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00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,360
Speaker 2: I'm a player. You know, back East, you could only

436
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 2: play during the summertime. Lets you go into a gym

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00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 2: or something like that. Basketball wasn't really my thing. I

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00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 2: played it have fun with it because I could jump.

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00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 2: That was the thing. I had good leaping ability. You know.

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00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 2: When I played for the for the Niners charity team,

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00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,719
Speaker 2: I was the one who jumped center at the beginning

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00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 2: of the game every game. And when I would come

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00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 2: out to jump center, whoever I was jumping against would

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00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 2: look at me like are you serious until they saw

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00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 2: me jump. You know, then it was a different stort Hey, that.

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00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: Was your specialty. I like it. This one is from

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00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 1: Javier three sixty seven. Was game day fashion as big

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00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: of a deal when you were playing? And what was

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00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: your game day fashion? What did it look like?

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00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't. It wasn't the way it is now.

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00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 2: My game My game day fashion was a sweatsuit every game.

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00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: Okay. Was that a superstition?

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00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 2: No?

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00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: No, it's just comfortable.

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00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 2: Just comfortable, okay, just comfortable. I wasn't your I wasn't

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00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 2: per se, your typical football player, you know what I mean.

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00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 2: I didn't my first vehicle that I came to the

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00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 2: game and was a minivan. That's what I drove, was

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00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 2: a minivan. You know, everybody else range Rovers, Mercedes, horses.

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00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 2: You know, I had a horse, but I preferred my

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00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 2: minivan more than anything.

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00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: Did you come into the league with the minivan.

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00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 2: No, I got that. I got the mini van deal

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00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 2: from my dad my rookie year. My dad had before

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00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 2: the draft even came around, my dad had bought this Astro,

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00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 2: uh it was called it was a Chevy Astro mini van,

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00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 2: but it was customized by a company called chow Choo Customs. Okay,

468
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 2: they did truck conversions and al Camino conversions. So I

469
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 2: had saw my dad's and I really liked it. You know,

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00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 2: had a spoiler in the front, schoop, had three little

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00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 2: small windows in the back. It was just it was

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00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 2: just nice. And when I looked at it, and I

473
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 2: to myself, I looked at I said, oh, man, I said, yeah,

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00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 2: I like that.

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00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: That's what I imagine the most tricked out mini van known.

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00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 2: To the man. Mine was. No, mine was. I was

477
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 2: pretty pretty stared. I mean a regular mini van, you know.

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00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 2: I had the back sofa folded down into a bed.

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00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 2: I had a television, uh DVD player and also a

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00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 2: cooler and so built them cooler.

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Speaker 1: You'll have to share pictures of this online. This is fantastic.

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00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 2: Oh yeah that I used to love that van. I

483
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 2: had had a lot of fun with that van and

484
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 2: it was so funny I want. I actually wound up

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00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 2: giving it to my older brother because every time I

486
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 2: would go back east, I was like, you know, why

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00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 2: am I wrinting the car? Why don't I just send

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00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 2: a vehicle back here? Leave it at Dad. So when

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00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: I come home, I got a vehicle to drive. So

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00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 2: I did that for like three years, and then my

491
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 2: niece became of age to drive. So I made a

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00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 2: deal with my brother that if he gave my PI

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00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 2: third car, then I give him my vent a minivan. Yeah,

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00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 2: we made it even swap like that, so of course,

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00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 2: you know my niece loved me then.

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00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: Of course. All right, So last question before I let

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00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: you go, what is your favorite play of your career?

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00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: Slant slant pattern, that's what That's what I broke into

499
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 2: at Delaware State. When I first went to Delaware State,

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00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 2: I'll never forget when I came across the field, everybody

501
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 2: that was there looked at me. Especially one of my

502
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 2: best buddies right now. He looked at me and said,

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00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: who in the hell is this reject coming over here?

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00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 2: That's what he said about me, right until I got

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00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 2: over there and I actually started playing. They put me.

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00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 2: You know, when you first go in and you're on

507
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 2: the demo squad. You got the cards, you know. So

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00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 2: I'm standing back there and the coach pushs me in

509
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 2: and he goes, this is what you're doing. You're running

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00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 2: the slang. Okay, he hits me in stride. I catched

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00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 2: the ball, put a move on on her defensive back,

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00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 2: and run away from everybody. Coach turns and looks at me.

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00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 2: So I heard him tell my position coach put him

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00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 2: on the other side, was going to run that same thing. Well,

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00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 2: we did the same thing, same play. I did the

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00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 2: same thing, caught it, put a move on the guy,

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00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: and ran away from everybody. So I'll never forget this.

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00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 2: I never started playing at Dell State because they had to.

519
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 2: I transferred from Johnson C. Smith to Dell State. So

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00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 2: I wound up being able to play the last three

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00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 2: games and I'm dressing. I'm sitting on the sideline his

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00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 2: homecoming and we're losing and the coach goes tailor go

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00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 2: in the game. So I go in the game. Now

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00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: this is my first time in the game for Dalla

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00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 2: State playing and all together. The quarterback comes in. His

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00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 2: name was Rod Smith. Rod comes in and he goes, hey, man,

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00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: we're gonna run that slat pattern. I said, okay, it

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00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 2: works for me. He hits me in stride. I split

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00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 2: everybody score. We went home coming right. Get drafted by

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Speaker 2: San Francisco forty nine ers. What player? What play am

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Speaker 2: I known for with the Niners? Slat?

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00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: This slant? This slant I think of the I think

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00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: of the Monday Night to ninety yard touchdowns, and they

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00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: were I believe they were both slams.

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00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 2: If I correctly, yeah, yeah, they both were slapt And

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00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 2: see that. That was my thing because I always felt

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00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 2: like this, if you hit me in stride and if

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00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 2: the guys just on my tail, I'm getting away. I'm

539
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 2: definitely gonna get away because as soon as I catch it,

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00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 2: next thing's coming out, it's gonna be my arm because

541
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 2: I'm gonna stiff on me. That's gonna give me that

542
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 2: little distance that I need. And if you don't get

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00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 2: a touch on me when I come offline. There's a

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00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 2: game that we played in New Orleans. A matter of

545
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 2: fact that Candlestick and I just came off the field

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00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 2: and I said to Bill, I said, you know, I said,

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00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 2: whenever we run a slam, I said, and they roll

548
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: coverage up. I said, the cornerback never touches me. I said.

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00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 2: If Joe looks to the right and then just Will's

550
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: back left, he's gonna hit me in that hole. Nobody's

551
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 2: gonna touch me. We go back in the following series

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00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 2: he sends that play in sure enough, that's exactly what happened.

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00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 2: He hits me in the gap. I split everybody touchdown.

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00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: The rest is history.

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00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 2: That was always say this. People would always say, man,

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00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 2: but you're going across the middle. My motto was always

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00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: like this, You're gonna get hit, so you might as

558
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 2: well catch the ball and get hit for a reason.

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00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 2: Why let him have a free shot.

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Speaker 1: Words to live by. Thank you so much for your time.

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