WEBVTT - Ask Amy & T.J.: Divorce Him or Talk to Him?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, folks, Jennifer M wrote to us asking for

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<v Speaker 1>some relationship advice. Her husband of two years has been

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<v Speaker 1>telling people that he married her out of obligation, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's been doing it right in front of her rollbox.

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<v Speaker 1>Advice to Lisa, she needs to be curious my thoughts.

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<v Speaker 1>We might be looking at a relationship killer. And with that,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to this relationship edition of Amy and TJ, where

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<v Speaker 1>we follow up on our most recent Yahoo Relationship column,

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<v Speaker 1>which you can find in the Life section of Yahoo

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<v Speaker 1>dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, and this week here is what Jennifer M.

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<v Speaker 2>Wrote to us with Amy and TJ. I am sixty

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<v Speaker 2>years old and my husband of less than two years

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<v Speaker 2>has been telling his family and friends in my presence

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<v Speaker 2>that he married me out of a sense of obligation.

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<v Speaker 2>We had an eight year relationship prior to getting married.

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<v Speaker 2>He told me upfront that he didn't want to remarry.

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<v Speaker 2>I struggled with this privately, but with counseling, came to

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<v Speaker 2>accept his terms not long after he proposed out of

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<v Speaker 2>the blue. The obligation narrative is new. The first time

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<v Speaker 2>he relayed this to his family, I expressed dismay and surprise,

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<v Speaker 2>but not anger. I kept my cool. Now he is

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<v Speaker 2>repeating this narrative to his close friends. He does not

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<v Speaker 2>seem to understand how painful this is for me. What

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<v Speaker 2>should I do? So I immediately said that I thought she

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<v Speaker 2>had to talk to him, She had to take it

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<v Speaker 2>straight to him, And I know it's a hard conversation,

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<v Speaker 2>but she has to tell him how humiliating that feels,

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<v Speaker 2>and she needs to ask him if that's how he

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<v Speaker 2>really does feel, because maybe he was too afraid to

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<v Speaker 2>say it to her, but in the comfort or protection

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<v Speaker 2>of other people he knows love him, he could say

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<v Speaker 2>it kind of jokingly, but also maybe kind of honestly.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the purpose in getting that out? Just getting it

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<v Speaker 1>off his chest? Is he trying to start a conversation?

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<v Speaker 1>Like what would be the purpose?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe he feels guilty that he married her in the

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<v Speaker 2>first place because he now knows he shouldn't have, and

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<v Speaker 2>so instead of having an adult or mature conversation with

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<v Speaker 2>her about it, or even maybe fully admitting it to himself,

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<v Speaker 2>it's coming out in a really awkward, unfortunate way, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's still coming out, Like how long can you suppress

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<v Speaker 2>that those feelings come out? In some ways? And sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>they come out in passive aggressive ways.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you're suggesting he hasn't even dealt with this fact.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he hasn't fully admitted it to himself, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's bubbling up and now it's really hard to have

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<v Speaker 2>a conversation and ask a question that you are afraid

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<v Speaker 2>to hear the answer to.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought. I mean, I think no matter where, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're listening, like, no matter what you think she should do,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think everybody starts with you gotta talk. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>first things first, you gotta talk. After that, I just

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<v Speaker 1>I would like to talk to this guy. I just

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<v Speaker 1>don't know why you would do that in front of people.

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<v Speaker 1>It's almost intentionally humiliate her. It's just humiliating. Go on

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram and say the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, I likened it too. You've been to couple's therapy before.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes you will admit feeling something or thinking something to

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<v Speaker 2>a third party in a safe space that you don't

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<v Speaker 2>feel necessarily safe or comfortable with saying just to your partner.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm thinking that maybe that's why it's coming out.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to try to give him the benefit of

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<v Speaker 2>the doubt that he's not doing it. Maliciously okay, or

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<v Speaker 2>to be an asshole, but actually it's not okay. It's

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<v Speaker 2>immature as hell, and he hasn't dealt with his own emotions.

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<v Speaker 2>But maybe it's not malicious. Maybe it's just him not

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<v Speaker 2>dealing with how he actually feels.

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<v Speaker 1>Then we got a problem. Then what would have happened?

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<v Speaker 1>What happened when everything is fine after eight years and

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<v Speaker 1>as soon as you put a ring on it, there's

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<v Speaker 1>an issue now?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>They seem to be doing well up to that point,

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<v Speaker 1>don't We have limited information? But what happens? Then?

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<v Speaker 2>I would ask you, as a man, maybe if he

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<v Speaker 2>set up front, hey, I don't want to ever remarry,

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<v Speaker 2>because clearly he was married before and he didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to go down that aisle haha again. But then maybe

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<v Speaker 2>he did feel pressure. Maybe she doesn't realize how much

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<v Speaker 2>pressure he did feel to marry her because he knew

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<v Speaker 2>that's what she ultimately wanted. But then once he did it,

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<v Speaker 2>he immediately regretted. Does that make sense where now he's

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<v Speaker 2>got the pressure and he ended up doing something he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't want to do, so now he's resentful.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, then that means she's not giving us enough good

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<v Speaker 1>information to go on here because what you're saying. She

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<v Speaker 1>writes that she struggled privately with him, saying he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to get married, accepted it, but then not long

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<v Speaker 1>after he proposed out of the blue. She's suggesting that

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<v Speaker 1>she had moved on and then he decided that da

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<v Speaker 1>da da da? Now is that really the case? How

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<v Speaker 1>much time between those two things was there pressure? It

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<v Speaker 1>could have been, but she said she was at peace

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<v Speaker 1>with him.

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<v Speaker 2>She might have been giving him pressure without realizing it.

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<v Speaker 1>That is something you all do. Oh we talk about

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<v Speaker 1>this all the time, and you all isn't fair. I

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<v Speaker 1>apologize because not all women do all things. But this

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<v Speaker 1>is something that I have experienced. We're talking about it

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<v Speaker 1>here as well. But the pressure from you is not

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<v Speaker 1>about the marriage or anything relationship wise. It's when we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go see that movie? Are we going upstate?

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<v Speaker 2>We don't want to be demonstrative, but we want to

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<v Speaker 2>let you know what we would actually probably really like.

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<v Speaker 2>But no pressure. You know, no one wants to to

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<v Speaker 2>be the person who gives the ultimatum. No one wants

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<v Speaker 2>to be the person who says let's do this or else.

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<v Speaker 2>So maybe she didn't even realize the pressure She was

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<v Speaker 2>putting on him.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, guys generally I can obviously I can speak

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<v Speaker 1>for myself and in experience with guys, I know in

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<v Speaker 1>these in relationships the pressure stinks. Like just when you

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<v Speaker 1>feel it, the pressure and then sometimes you start feeling

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<v Speaker 1>it from a friend or a cousin or that stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>it just freaks a guy out, Yeah, because even well

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<v Speaker 1>intentioned guys will just freak out about it. Now you're

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<v Speaker 1>doing something, the most important thing of your life, perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>on somebody else's timeline, and even if you move your

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<v Speaker 1>timeline by six months, that mean you're doing something for

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<v Speaker 1>somebody else. You're not actually doing what you want to do.

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<v Speaker 1>That starts to stink because now you're starting to question everything.

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<v Speaker 2>So couldn't you see him? Maybe that starts to come

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<v Speaker 2>out now in inconvenient, really awful ways. I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 2>a I mean, I feel for her. That is a

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<v Speaker 2>gutting thing to hear anyone say to your face, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's even more gutting to know that he's saying it

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<v Speaker 2>in front of other people. Can you see feel for her?

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<v Speaker 2>The pressure?

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<v Speaker 1>You now am building a while scenario in my head.

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<v Speaker 1>I can see this happening, and maybe I've seen it

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<v Speaker 1>happen somewhere before. But what you describe right, the pressure,

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<v Speaker 1>the pressure, the pressure, who says what the conversation was

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<v Speaker 1>in a group of folks, how that conversation was going,

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<v Speaker 1>had they been arguing earlier? Was he was she nitpicking

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<v Speaker 1>about something or whatever? And you could see in an

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<v Speaker 1>offhand moment, I ain't want to marry you know it? Yep,

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<v Speaker 1>you could hear that mean thing coming out in a

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<v Speaker 1>heated moment. No it's not okay, now it's not right.

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<v Speaker 1>But some context in that. We say stupid when we're

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<v Speaker 1>mad and other people around when we feel and humiliated.

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<v Speaker 1>So this could have just been a defense mechanism. We

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<v Speaker 1>just don't know what triggered.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so fascinating. And so many of you actually left

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<v Speaker 2>your comments about what you thought she should do, what

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<v Speaker 2>your advice to her would be. And again didn't we

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<v Speaker 2>see a lot of men, guys again, men writing in

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<v Speaker 2>with their comments more so than women. I thought that

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<v Speaker 2>was so fascinating. I love that men keep speaking up.

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<v Speaker 2>We love hearing what you have to say to us

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<v Speaker 2>or to Jennifer M. But Keith tells Jennifer M. Easy

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<v Speaker 2>tell people you married him out of spite.

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<v Speaker 1>That's something I that's a quick comeback. That's just funny.

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<v Speaker 1>I just like I don't give a damn.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if she combatd it with humor in the

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<v Speaker 2>moment instead of feeling hurt. And you know what that does.

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<v Speaker 2>You come from a place of strength, a place of confidence,

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<v Speaker 2>knowing that your love is real and knowing that you

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<v Speaker 2>are meant to be together. And so if he makes

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<v Speaker 2>a comment, instead of immediately feeling wounded, if you can

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<v Speaker 2>come back with a quick bar back, he might think

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<v Speaker 2>that's sexiest. Hell.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, that's a great sad for that one. First, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a great comeback. Handle it with a little humor. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't mind that at all.

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<v Speaker 2>In public, yes, And then in private you still have

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<v Speaker 2>to have the conversation. I would fully suggest doing that

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<v Speaker 2>and the next time have that at your arsenal. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>if he brings it up again and then say, hey, Bud,

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<v Speaker 2>we got to talk.

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<v Speaker 1>This next one is a theme and we'll just sum

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<v Speaker 1>it up with this. I don't have this person's name,

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<v Speaker 1>but they say leave a lot of people just period,

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<v Speaker 1>point blank say divorce, divorce, divorce. You shouldn't be with

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<v Speaker 1>this person and just don't need to hear anymore. They

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<v Speaker 1>just hear what's described and they say that's the end.

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<v Speaker 2>Of it'out respect respect. It's about respect, right, John says this.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to say, this is all kind of her fault.

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<v Speaker 2>He said he didn't want to get married. She should

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<v Speaker 2>have taken him at his word before. And John, I

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<v Speaker 2>hear you. But when he proposed to her, what, how

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<v Speaker 2>is she supposed to take that? Then? If she wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to marry him and he proposed to her, should she

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<v Speaker 2>have questioned and said, are you sure?

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<v Speaker 1>Given what we are?

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<v Speaker 2>What changed?

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<v Speaker 1>Given what's been described? It seemed like that conversation should

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<v Speaker 1>have been had. Most women don't get proposed to out

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<v Speaker 1>of the blue, right the timing. You might be all

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<v Speaker 1>here or there, but you're not surprised the guy you've

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<v Speaker 1>been with for two years might get down on a knee.

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<v Speaker 1>You all have had a conversation at something about me

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Of times, you know, like the day it's happening because

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<v Speaker 2>of the nervous energy, like out of the weird. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. I think most women pretend they're surprised. I

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<v Speaker 2>think most women know it's coming.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the thing now? Most women all you all will

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<v Speaker 1>go behind the guy's back and tell your girlfriend so

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<v Speaker 1>she can be wearing a nice enough outfit and their

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<v Speaker 1>hair is done right.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's a lot of stuff that goes on

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<v Speaker 2>behind the scenes where we try to act like we

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know, but yeah, mostly we know.

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<v Speaker 1>So she I proposed to out of the blue. If

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<v Speaker 1>that's true, then I am really really siding with her

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<v Speaker 1>now in that there was enough separation of.

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<v Speaker 2>Time where she thought he had a change of heart

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<v Speaker 2>and she accepted it, and it's what she wanted to.

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<v Speaker 2>Why wouldn't she say yes? Okay, Michael, Okay, Michael, this

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<v Speaker 2>is an interesting comment what he had to say about

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<v Speaker 2>Jennifer m He said, women bash their significant other all

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<v Speaker 2>the time. My wife did it in front of friends

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<v Speaker 2>and friends. Wives would do it in front of me.

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<v Speaker 2>Women get upset about this topic because women complain how

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<v Speaker 2>the man didn't lift the toilet seed or dust before vacuuming.

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<v Speaker 2>Men complain about women cheating during the relationship while not

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<v Speaker 2>having physical relationships with their partner or relations with their partner.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not our fault. Women's shortcomings are so much worse.

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<v Speaker 1>WHOA, There's a lot there, but there's stuff worth addressing. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot there like okay, Now, this idea that

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<v Speaker 1>a woman in front of a group of people could

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<v Speaker 1>say to her husband, oh, he's such an idiot.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes you're right, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Little comments like that and putting him down that we

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<v Speaker 1>generally accept, would that be fair to say?

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<v Speaker 2>I do think that that is fair on a general basis.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so he is hinting at that now, even as

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<v Speaker 1>that's humiliating and upsetting and you shouldn't do that. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you still not equate it to or should we equate it?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it that an equal jab?

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<v Speaker 2>You know? I don't think it's equal to say. I mean, look,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think you should say my husband's an idiot

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<v Speaker 2>whatever and he's standing right there in front of him,

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<v Speaker 2>because that would be the equivalent. But it's one thing

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<v Speaker 2>to say my husband's an idiot. It's another thing to say, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>I regret marrying him, or I should never have married him,

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<v Speaker 2>or I'm obligated now because I married this dufist Like

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<v Speaker 2>that takes it to a whole other level combining right,

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<v Speaker 2>I yes, neither one is okay. But I do think

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<v Speaker 2>telling a room that you are you married someone because

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<v Speaker 2>you felt obligated to marry them is the lowest possible blow.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you could give. It means like I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to marry this person who was standing right next

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<v Speaker 2>to me, aka my wife.

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<v Speaker 1>But he wanted to be with her. How did we

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<v Speaker 1>He was in an eight year relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>It was not like this was some new love and

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't realize what he was getting into, like he

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<v Speaker 2>knew her. I don't get it.

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<v Speaker 1>I would marriage turned things somebody and waitset. I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to look at the rest of what Michael.

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<v Speaker 2>That was something he was saying that women, what men

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<v Speaker 2>complain about women is so much worse. Like women complain

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<v Speaker 2>that men don't don't put the toilet seat down, but

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<v Speaker 2>men are dealing with women cheating on them. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>that seemed like that was a big I think lots

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<v Speaker 2>of different issues can happen for both genders.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael is going to have to write in and we need.

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<v Speaker 2>More information to us, all right, Carl. Carl wrote in

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<v Speaker 2>and said, next time he says it in public, just

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<v Speaker 2>state that you married him out of pity. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>bad like this similar pity spite. Those are interchangeable. Both

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<v Speaker 2>of those are fun quips, Okay, Here's what Mary. This

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<v Speaker 2>is the first female first woman we have writing in

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<v Speaker 2>for a comment about Jennifer m all right, here's what

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<v Speaker 2>she said. Here's what Mary said. Please don't let him

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<v Speaker 2>disrespect you. That is what he is doing. I would

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<v Speaker 2>tell him how much that hurt you, and if he

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<v Speaker 2>ever does it again, I would suggest you divorce him.

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<v Speaker 2>If he is not in love with you enough to

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<v Speaker 2>respect you, then find someone who is. When someone you

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<v Speaker 2>love does not return that love in equal kind, and

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<v Speaker 2>if you stay with him, you will maybe forgive, but

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<v Speaker 2>please trust me, you will never forget.

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<v Speaker 1>Well said Mary.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a really good piece of advice. I

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<v Speaker 2>agree with her because maybe you give him one more chance.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe he has a reason, maybe he has some pent

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<v Speaker 2>up resentment he needs to work through with you, and

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<v Speaker 2>then maybe he won't feel that way and won't act

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<v Speaker 2>that way. But yeah, on once he does it again,

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<v Speaker 2>or if he does it again, I don't think there's

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<v Speaker 2>any coming back from that.

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<v Speaker 1>The relationship didn't change over eight years, except we call

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<v Speaker 1>it a marriage now, so that means there's something there.

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<v Speaker 1>You invest eight years, there was something going on there

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<v Speaker 1>to the point after eight years marriage was still on

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<v Speaker 1>the table. Right, that's not two people who thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>not being together. That's true. You're still talking about it,

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<v Speaker 1>so I don't know how we get to this place.

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<v Speaker 1>So to what Mary is saying, I still think there's

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<v Speaker 1>something there. I like, tell him how much it hurt.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk it out, see if we can get through it.

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<v Speaker 1>But don't you dare do this again.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the ultimatum I would be okay with. If you

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<v Speaker 2>do it again, we're done. I think that's fair. It's

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<v Speaker 2>fair because he doesn't have to say that. So I

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<v Speaker 2>actually love this last comment. We plucked that you plucked

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<v Speaker 2>Actually DJ the best. I think this is my favorite

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<v Speaker 2>of all of them. This is right up my alley, Diff,

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<v Speaker 2>whoever you are, I love this piece of advice you

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<v Speaker 2>have for Jennifer M. Diff writes, introduce him to others

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<v Speaker 2>as your first husband. That'll give him something to think about.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait for it. Some people are trying to figure out wait.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, oh, there could be a second, there could be

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<v Speaker 2>a third. You never know.

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<v Speaker 1>This is my first husband is online.

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<v Speaker 2>I love you know what. That's my favorite. That's a

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<v Speaker 2>drop the mic moment. Jennifer m If you get the chance,

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<v Speaker 2>just you know what, if you want to wait to

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<v Speaker 2>have the conversation. Do that first, and then let him

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<v Speaker 2>come to you and say what was that all about?

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<v Speaker 2>And say, oh, funny you should ask, And there's your

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<v Speaker 2>conversation starter. I love it. Diff Thank you, Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for the perfect piece of advice for Jennifer em.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, it sounds like something else is going on there

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<v Speaker 1>that needs to be addressed. Fine, but I just hate

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<v Speaker 1>to hear that kind of an investment in a relationship

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<v Speaker 1>that still was going strong after eight years. Let's figure

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<v Speaker 1>this thing out before we completely call it quits.

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