1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome and everybody to the Clay Travis 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: and Buck Sexton Show. So much to discuss today. Appreciate 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: you all joining us from all over the country. We've 5 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: got a verdict in right after we finished our show yesterday, 6 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: so we couldn't bring it to you live and the 7 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: Johnny Depp Amber Heard defamation case which Clay has been 8 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: deep diving into this one the last couple of days. 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: He's ready. Second hour, Clay, We're gonna get just I 10 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,279 Speaker 1: can't believe for people out there and people always say 11 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: I don't care about that. The numbers reflect that the 12 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: amount of obsessive interest in Johnny Depp and Amber Heard 13 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: is almost off the charts in terms of people reaction 14 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: and engaging it. In our second hour, I will play 15 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: the role of person who sits here saying why does 16 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: anyone care about this? Why does anyone? Because apparently the 17 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: numbers speak for themselves, and I mean Foxnews dot Com, 18 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: CNN dot com, Ka News Channel. So anyway, Oh and 19 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: by the way, Amber Heard owes him now thirteen million dollars, 20 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: which is a lot of money. So we'll just actually 21 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: maybe more like nine. But anyway, there's all these different 22 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: moving parts we'll discuss. I'll break it down for you. Actually, 23 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: do think it's kind of a significant marker in a 24 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: larger societal era. I'll make my case. You can say 25 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: I don't care about this. It will be the jury 26 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: of one as to why everybody is apparently so fascinated 27 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: by this. And I mean, look, I like Captain Jack 28 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: Sparrow as much as the next guy is a character. 29 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: But beyond that, I don't really see it. But any 30 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: we'll get into that. We've also got the Platinum Jubilee 31 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 1: in the UK. Solid I think we spend the whole 32 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: third hour on the Platinum Jubilee. I'm just kidding. It 33 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:49,279 Speaker 1: sounds like an airline loyalty rewards program. Nobody cares about 34 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: this in this country. Pretty sure we fought a revolutionary war, 35 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: so we don't ever have to hear about the royal family. 36 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: Care about the royal family too, but basically what we're 37 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: we care about the royal family to kind of. I 38 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: don heavens, mister play Travis, all right, so I'm gonna 39 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: throw a veto on that one. We're not gonna spend 40 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: much time on that. I haven't watched any of that 41 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: coverage ever. Johnny Depp, that's all coming up. Also just 42 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: Joe Biden. Even it's it's the whole government mobilizing on formula, 43 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: but does that include the president because it seems like 44 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: they're saying, well, yeah, the President was having nap time 45 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: during the during the baby formula early days crisis and 46 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: doesn't really have much on it. We've got a lot 47 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: more on that, but I wanted to start off today 48 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: with a discussion of where we are on the crime issue. 49 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: Of course, there was this this uh shooting in Tulsa, 50 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: four people killed by a forty five year old man 51 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: identified by police as Michael Lewis. He is an African 52 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: American forty five year old man went into a hospital 53 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: shot four people. So this will be in the gun 54 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: control discussion, to be sure, and we can discuss what 55 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: other narratives will come of this. I think that'll be 56 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: muted because it's a black guy who is the shooter. 57 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: I mean, it's certainly we're certainly not going to have 58 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: the discussion about the greatest threat we face from mass 59 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: shooters and from domestic terrorists is white supremacy, which every time. 60 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: Now there's a mass shooter who is white, the media 61 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: jumps to find the statistics to show that, you know, 62 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: the the greatest threat is white supremacy, and then somehow 63 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: it always turns into also January sixth, then Trump support yes, 64 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: and you say, wait, hold on it that that seems 65 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: like quite quite a leap. Yes, But they do it constantly, 66 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: and they do it with intellectual dishonesty and mind, and 67 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: they do it to antagonize their political opponents. That's the 68 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: whole point. But this story out of Seattle has me 69 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: just this is even for somebody who spends time looking 70 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: at the lunacy. And this is from a Seattle Time. 71 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: So we've obviously got a great radio station, great great 72 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: audience up in Seattle listening to this. Seattle Times published 73 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: this Clay. This is I'll just read this from Seattle Times. 74 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: Seattle police is sexual assault and child abuse unit staff 75 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: has been so depleted that it stopped assigning to detectives 76 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: this year new cases with adult victims, according to an 77 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: internal memo from the interim police chief. And then the 78 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: article just goes into clay, the complete deterioration of law 79 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: and order such as it was in the city of Seattle, 80 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 1: to the point where we know about the autonomous zone 81 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 1: that was there where they were to the Chatz, the 82 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone where there were two people who 83 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: were murdered, there were sexual assaults. This is if you 84 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: look at the timeline. Oh, this will surprise no one. 85 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: It goes back to twenty twenty. It goes back to 86 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: the undermining of police, to democrat reform of police, to 87 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: the BLM movement. And now you have one of our 88 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: largest cities in country unable to sign detectives to new 89 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: rape cases because they don't have the personnel clay, because 90 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: so many have quit because they don't want to be 91 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: fed to the wolves, so to speak, of the media 92 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: on the Democrat Party. Seattle is one of the best 93 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: cities in America when it's being run as a city 94 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: should be run. And I know we've got a big 95 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 1: audience that's listening to us right now in Seattle and 96 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: all over the country, people who have visited Seattle and 97 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: know what a fantastic place that can be. But it 98 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: is the embodiment of left wing rot and collapse that 99 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: has taken over in this country to a large extent, 100 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: directly connected to George Floyd two years ago because Seattle, 101 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: in Portland, maybe San Francisco too. I think it's pretty 102 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: fair to say, Buck, the Pacific Northwest went crazy primarily 103 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: because they have the largest component of woke white people 104 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 1: of any major cities in America. Right. I don't think 105 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: that's if you were on a map plotting, Hey, which 106 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 1: three cities have the largest populations of woke white people 107 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: in America? I think Seattle, San Francisco, and Portland would 108 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: be the top three draft picks. Right. I can't even 109 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: think of I know you could argue for the Chicago's 110 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: or the New York's of the world, but per capita, Seattle, 111 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 1: San Francisco, and Portland, in some form or fashion in 112 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 1: that order. And that woke white virus has destroyed the 113 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: things that made those three cities so great. And one 114 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: of the ways that they're destroying things is I when 115 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: I saw this story yesterday, Buck, this is one of 116 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: those where my jaw drops. I heard it. I think 117 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 1: I heard it on Hannity last night. I was a 118 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: guest on Hannity and he mentioned it in the open 119 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: of the show, and after I finished the show, I said, 120 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: is that really true? And googled it, and then I 121 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: saw your full article here two that we were talking 122 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: about before we came on. This city has descended into 123 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: such lawlessness, and the police have been so demeaned and 124 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: disabled that they can't even investigate rape cases. Rape cases. 125 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: If you were going to rank crimes in a major cities, 126 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: murder obviously number one, buck, I think rape probably number 127 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: two on the severity and significance with which cases should 128 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: be taken in terms of violent crime, murder bodies someone 129 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: actually dead. Other than that, this is a top level 130 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: violent crime that should be the focus in every major 131 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: American city. They can't even investigate them this year alone. 132 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: This is a quote from the article Everybody, Thirty adult 133 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: sexual assault cases that should have been assigned to a 134 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: detective if I had proper staffing have not been. Okay, 135 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: thirty adult sexual assault cases assigned to a detective if 136 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: I had proper staffing, she said. This is a quote 137 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: from one of the one of the police personnel in 138 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: the article. The detectives will still need to be working 139 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:14,239 Speaker 1: over time. The cases can then be assigned, and there's 140 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: a massive backlog that we're outside the cold, I'm reading 141 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: from the article We're outside the cold case backlog, I 142 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: am not able to assign currently. Imagine you are one 143 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: of the people who has been affected by this. You're 144 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 1: a victim, or a family member of a victim, or 145 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: just a friend or acquaintance of a victim who has 146 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: been sexually assaulted in the city of Seattle, and you're 147 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: being told, look, may take a couple of months, but 148 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: we promise we're going to find the perpetrator. We promise 149 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: we're going to look into this when we have the time. Now, 150 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: people could say, well, this is such a massive failure 151 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: on the part of law enforcement in Seattle, on the 152 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: part of well, no, it's on the part of leadership, 153 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 1: political leadership in Seattle, because they've been losing officers over 154 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: the past two years. The Seattle Police Department has lost 155 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 1: a fourth of its cops over the past two years. Gee, 156 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: what happened? Does anybody want to bust out a timeline? 157 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,319 Speaker 1: What's happened over the last two years this city since 158 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: they realized this crisis, Clay, and it's a crisis. And 159 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 1: by the way we we dig into the numbers, I'm 160 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: doing more and more of this now, digging into what's 161 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: really happening in the city bureaucracies in New York and 162 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: Chicago and Philadelphia and Houston and Seattle. You find it's 163 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: just a total mess, just destroyed by wokeness and social 164 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: justice and a lot of people suffering, the whole city 165 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: suffering as a result. They wanted to hire forty new cops. 166 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: They're able to hire thirteen. Gee, I wonder why that is. 167 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,439 Speaker 1: I wonder why cops aren't lining up in Seattle for 168 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: a career where one video that goes viral for a 169 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: second where they have to sometimes being a cop and 170 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: all my anybody will tell you means you got to 171 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: plant the bad guy on the cement and cuff them. 172 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: That's what's actually going to happen. It doesn't always look pretty. 173 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: But if we won't allow this as a society, then 174 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 1: we have anarchy and clay that the number I can't 175 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: I'm trying to even pull them up. The city of 176 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: Seattle had there's like thousands and thousands of grand theft 177 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: a grand larcenies occurred. Yeah, it's not that big a city. Yeah. 178 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: And here's the other thing about this, and this is 179 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: you worked in law enforcement to a certain extent too, Buck, 180 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: I did criminal defense work. It's really hard to investigate 181 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: rape cases in the first place. And that is because 182 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: a lot of times, as he said, she said, a 183 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: lot of times, memories change, witnesses can be tough to find, 184 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: oftentimes there's alcohol involved. All these things. Any case that 185 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: is not immediately investigated becomes far more difficult to prove 186 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 1: as time passes, because witnesses are harder to find. Whatever 187 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: supplementary corroborating evidence there might be is more difficult to obtain. 188 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: And just think you mentioned it. If you are one 189 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: of these likely third women or one of the family 190 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: members of these thirty women, the phone call that they 191 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: would get where they say, yeah, we know that you 192 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: may have been raped, but we can't get to you 193 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: for a few months. Everyone. I mean, this is this 194 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 1: is such a colossal failure. The mayor of Seattle should 195 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: have to resign, right to me, the top elected officials 196 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: in I think it's a new mayor now because the 197 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: old mayor was so bad. But what you're finding, Clay, 198 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 1: is that now it's systemic. It is truly within the system, right. 199 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: But I mean, it's such a failure that we talk 200 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: all the time about what consequences there can be for failure. 201 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: Seattle has to. I mean I think they already didn't. 202 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: They elect a Republican for the first time, and like 203 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: since the Reagan administration, I think to be involved in 204 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 1: a city government in some way, I'm pretty sure that 205 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: they did. And by the way, we are on Seattle 206 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: is one of our newest affiliates ten ninety the pay 207 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: tree a KPTR. For everybody out there listening right now, 208 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: can we put out a call out by the way 209 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: to work KPT. Let's let's if you're listening on KPTR 210 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: people about this and you want to tell us what's 211 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: going on, I mean your city. It's front page news now, 212 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: main story on foxnews dot com. Seattle time story went viral. 213 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: If you saw the picture two buck, the photo that 214 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: went viral of the overpass with all the homeless people 215 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: where it looked like Seattle was now a Third World country. 216 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: Did you see that photo that was everywhere? I mean, 217 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: this is what Seattle is becoming known for now. Eight 218 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: hundred two two two eight eight two Open them up. 219 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: We got anybody who wants to weigh in on what's 220 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: going on there in KPTR land, in Seattle or audience 221 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: up there, please do give a call tell us, what 222 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: tell us what's going on in your city, because I 223 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 1: see it here in New York, and I have a 224 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: lot of the dysfunction that I see here. I'm reading 225 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: about in Seattle. I'm reading about it in Los Angeles. 226 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: And a friend of a friend just got clay. She was, 227 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: you know, with her with her baby. It was just 228 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: assaulted by the beach in Santa Monica. You know, I mean, 229 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: this is this stuffs to be wanted, the safe places 230 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: all over all of used to be Santa Monica, used 231 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: to be paradise Santa Monica twenty years ago. You're like, 232 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: this most beautiful place and now it's a homeless encampment 233 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: with crazy people running around attacking ladies with babies and strollers. 234 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: So this is the reality that we're seeing, folks. We 235 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: need to turn this around. 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He's Donald 269 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: Drums where it's Mayor Michael. Existential threats to the Trump presidency. 270 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: Please welcome Attorney Michael Abanati. You got lucky Tonight We're 271 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: back with Attorney Michael Abanati. He's out there saving the country. 272 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: He's at rock star. I think Michael Abanati for president 273 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. Looking out to twenty twenty, you're currently 274 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: leading the pack among twenty twenty contenders on the Democratic side. 275 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: What do democrats value most? If they decide they'd value 276 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: a fighter, most people would be foolish to underestimate Michael Abanati. 277 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: To me, you're like the Holy Spirit. Michael Abanati is 278 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: a beast. He's a beast, and he keeps popping Donald 279 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: Trump and all of his folks in the mouth repeatedly. 280 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: He's a beast. He's also about to be a prisoner 281 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: for four years. Folks, welcome back to Clay en Buck. 282 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: We have to remind you of what a dubucle that 283 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: whole era was under the Trump administration of the journo 284 00:15:55,160 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: lib media, the fake news elevating Michael Abonati wed you 285 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: played it for you. He's a contender to be president 286 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: and he's Trump's worst nightmare. He's amazing, he's a hero. 287 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: Well breaking news, folks, Michael Avananti just got a four 288 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: year prison term for stealing defrauding from his client Stormy Daniels, 289 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: whom he represented in his battle with Donald Trump. Four years, Clay, 290 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: I mean that's a that's a that's a serious sentence. Right. 291 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: Clearly he did some real wrong. He's obviously disgraced, disbarred. 292 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: But it's not so much everybody looked at that guy 293 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: and thought he gave the slimiest lawyers a bad name, 294 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: like the lawyer jokes about the difference between a catfish 295 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: and a lawyer. One's a bottom feeder. He's worse than 296 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: those jokes. Democrats said he should be president. Clay well, also, 297 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: it's funny to think about, didn't sixty minutes interview Stormy Daniels. 298 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: Wasn't that like their big expose one night when her 299 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: story allegations against Trump came out. If you could go 300 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: back in time and set odds and say, hey, somebody's 301 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: going to prison over this Stormy Daniels situation, everybody who 302 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: is a left winger would have been like, ce, I 303 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: told you it's going to bring Trump down. It was 304 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: actually her lawyer, Stormy Daniel. For people basically have forgotten 305 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 1: all about Stormy Daniels. That story obviously had a lot 306 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: of salacious details and received a massive amount of attention, 307 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: But there were a lot of people who argued that 308 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 1: Stormy Daniels was going to bring down the Trump presidency 309 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: as a big part because of Michael Avenati, who was 310 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: her lawyer, and now he ends up stealing from her 311 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: according to the courts and is going to jail multi years. 312 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: Can we also remember there was such a desperation I 313 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: always told you know, we talked about the emolument's clause 314 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 1: and the Hamburgers for diplomats at Trump Hotel yesterday. The 315 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: real theory of the case with Stormy Daniels was hush 316 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 1: money that he paid as a nuisance payoff to Stormy 317 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: Daniels wasn't listed properly on a campaign finance form, and 318 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: so maybe he could be prosecuted and then of course 319 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,479 Speaker 1: removed through impeachment because of what was it like one 320 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand dollars in hush money that wasn't 321 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: listed on a campaign It was a campaign expenditure. Just 322 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: to remind everybody, all these people you see in the 323 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: fancy suits on TV, on CNN and NBC News and everything, 324 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 1: these people are morons, folks. I meant them, just not 325 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: not not all of them, but the ones that were 326 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: I mean like ninety percent of them, and the ones 327 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 1: that were saying that that Michael Evan Clay. I remember 328 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: when people are interviewing this guy, and I was like, 329 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 1: this is the slimiest, most grotesque, self advancing, unethical, scumbag 330 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 1: human being. And he was the single most this was true, 331 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: the most frequent guest on CNN's air for I think 332 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: a two or three month period, even bumping doctor Fauci off. 333 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: Look the um, well this is pre Fauci, Yeah right, 334 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: But what is crazy here? As you break all this 335 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: down is to your point, most media don't have original thoughts. 336 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: So the great, the great lie that is often propagated 337 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: in media is often the derivation of people being not 338 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 1: confident enough in their own opinions, so whatever someone else says, 339 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 1: they decide to jump on. You could hear all those 340 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: different names who have their own television shows, they were 341 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: actually just buying into that hype. They weren't doing their 342 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: own research or analyzing any of the facts. You know, 343 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 1: this book, the number of people who I've always said, 344 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: from a lawyer perspective, the most important thing when you 345 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: argue a case are the facts, the facts, the facts right, 346 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: because ultimately that's going to determine the outcome. To a 347 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 1: certain extent. A lot of people don't even bother to 348 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: read the source documents of things that they're incredibly opinionated about, 349 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 1: of course, and that's how so often you can talk 350 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: about Duke Lacrosse, you can talk about, you know, the 351 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: Johnny Depp trial that just happened. You can talk about 352 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 1: the Nicholas Sandman, so many of these stories that build 353 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 1: and grow Ferguson, Frankly, George Floyd. The underlying details of 354 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: the stories are far more complicated and nuanced than the 355 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 1: public persona and discussion of those stories. And so Michael 356 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: Avenati and the Stormy Daniel's mess is to me a 357 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:26,360 Speaker 1: perfect representation of that because so few people ever understood 358 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 1: anything associated with it to a large extent, and they 359 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: acted like that if you were anti Trump, you were 360 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: you were the great Trump was the great Satan, and 361 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 1: you were basically Jesus if you were anti Trump in 362 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: the minds of many people in the media. Well, this 363 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 1: is also actually it's interest you brought up Faucci because 364 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: the origins of Faucci worship were really a combination of 365 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: two things. One the mass panic induced largely by the 366 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: Democrat media because Trump was president at the time. You know, 367 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: the first month, I get it, we were scared. We 368 00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:59,479 Speaker 1: saw it was in Italy. It looked really bad. But 369 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: month two, month three, it was clear that this was 370 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: being politicized and used as a weapon, and Fouci became 371 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,199 Speaker 1: even under a Trump presidency and anti Trump, there was 372 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: such an obsession with any figure who would be that 373 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: person that would just destroy down and the whole idea. 374 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 1: It was so absurd and laughable. Is there something that 375 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: we could sit here and talk about a lot of them. 376 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: I just I just think it's so funny, Like to 377 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 1: the point on Trump, it is, what if Trump back 378 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: in February and March had become a big mask guy. 379 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: Like if you just want to play this out, if 380 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: Trump had said, hey, you know what, I think everybody 381 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 1: should wear a mask, Fouci says no, but I think 382 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 1: it makes sense now. The mask is basically an anti 383 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 1: Trump totem. In many ways, it's a far left wing symbol. 384 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 1: If he had said I'm a big mask guy, what 385 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: it actually ends up happening. And I'll tell you I 386 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 1: was I opposed masks even under the Trump administration. And 387 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: if Trump had been a big mask guy, I would 388 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,199 Speaker 1: have said, sir, I think you're wrong on this. The 389 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 1: one thing that I when I shook his hand at 390 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: the end of talking to the president in the Oval 391 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 1: Office in May of twenty twenty, and I said, sir, 392 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 1: no more lockdowns, right, Like we can agree that was 393 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: a bad idea. Wasn't saying anything you do is great, sir? 394 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: Fant No, of course not right. And this is the 395 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 1: thing I mean, even early on it became so clear 396 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: that for some people, once the political decision was made 397 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: the science followed that. For me, it was always this 398 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: is really dumb, right when you have the most famous 399 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 1: public health official in the country change his mind entirely 400 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 1: on something in two weeks based on nothing other than 401 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: the polls, the data, and the I'm sorry, the polls 402 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: and the political need not the data. You know you're 403 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 1: being lied to, And that's what Fouchi. Fauci was the 404 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: one that set me on the path of discovery and 405 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: reality early on Clay because I'm like, this little jerk 406 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: is a liar. I legitimately questioned whether mask would have 407 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: ever become a thing, because I do think a lot 408 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: of Republicans would have said, yeah, it's not really my thing. 409 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: If the president wants to wear him, there's no way 410 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: left wingers ever adopt the mask. If Trump is saying, hey, 411 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: I'm a big mask guy, I'm a germophobe, I'm going 412 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: to wear a mask, what would things look like today. 413 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: It's really kind of fascinating to think about, because the 414 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: mask is such at this point totally worthless, but it's 415 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 1: such a symbol of political respect that it's become a 416 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: big deal. I was gonna say, everyone sees my mask 417 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 1: with my Biden Harris twenty twenty four that has like 418 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: holes in the mask and they know I'm serious about 419 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: the science. Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. 420 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 1: We are joined now by David Zwygi's a journalist with 421 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: The Atlantic and New York Magazine. He also has been 422 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: doing a phenomenal job covering the mask insanity that has 423 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: been going on all over the country. And David, I 424 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 1: want to start with this question for you. The New 425 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: York Times came out after two years of basically lecturing 426 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: everybody about the importance of masks, and they tried to 427 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: sort of nests the wine here by saying mask mandates 428 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 1: don't work based on how people wear masks. Did you 429 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: have some sort of vindication or feel some form of 430 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 1: indication when that story came out where the New York 431 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: Times finally acknowledged what you've been reporting based on the 432 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 1: data for a long time. Yeah. Well, I mean, I 433 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: don't need the Times or anyone else to vindicate what 434 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: I'm doing, but I will say this, it's it's rewarding 435 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:34,360 Speaker 1: to see well, it's both frustrating and rewarding to see 436 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: some things that I've reported on at this point more 437 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: than a year ago, gaining more attraction and attention in 438 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: the mainstream media, and then by extension amongst sort of 439 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: quote you know, regular people who who are you know, 440 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: reading or watching these news sources. So I don't know 441 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 1: if you've heard that expression, Pioneers perish and settlers flourished. 442 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,679 Speaker 1: So as the pioneer, I think I was too early 443 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: for a lot of people on this stuff. David. I 444 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:07,919 Speaker 1: want to ask you, you know, because so you're right, 445 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: you're right for the Atlantic, and not to make any assumptions, 446 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: but you know, you have a lot of Democrats and 447 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: liberals who read your work, so they may not listen 448 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: to me. Maybe maybe you know, they may not listen 449 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: to Clay because of what we say on a daily 450 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 1: basis and all the rest of it. Could you like 451 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 1: get together with all the Libs, all the Democrats that 452 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: you know, and just be like, guys, you really have 453 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: to stop with this mask thing on the planes? Is there, like, 454 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: how do we get them? I just flew over the weekend. 455 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,719 Speaker 1: There was a triple mask or on my plane who 456 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: looked to be in her thirties. Uh, this is this 457 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,479 Speaker 1: has gotten truly bizarre the data that you've shown. I mean, 458 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 1: I always tell people about the the I'm sure you know, 459 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: but the was it the Spanish school system where they 460 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: had five year olds that were masked and four year 461 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: olds who weren't. And I mean the day they've run 462 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 1: trials all over the place. Are people coming over? I mean, 463 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: are people in New York, in DC, in Los Angeles 464 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: seeing the light here or not? I think it's slowly 465 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: getting toward that, you know, anecdotally. You know, it's the 466 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 1: sort of quote regular folks and sort of you know, 467 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 1: liberal strongholds. I think slowly, slowly, are you know, finally 468 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: coming to their senses on some of these things? Though, 469 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: as you know, it's not everyone. You know, when you're 470 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: citing your triple masker on your flood. I mean, I 471 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 1: would say that there does appear to be decent evidence 472 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 1: that someone wearing a very well fitted mask, a high 473 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: quality mask, may may reduce the likelihood of getting infected. 474 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 1: But it depends how long they're wearing it, you know, 475 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 1: what type of environment. If if you are very, very 476 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: worried about getting infected, and you wear an N ninety 477 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: five and maybe a face shield, and you're in a 478 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 1: grocery store for fifteen minutes, that might be enough. But 479 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 1: the points that I think Lee and Hart was making 480 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: in his article, and it's one that I've made for 481 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: more than a year now, is there is a difference 482 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: between masks and mask mandates. And it's not just about people, 483 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: you know, not wearing them properly. It's just human beings 484 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: are not the same as a lab test. And unfortunately 485 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: what has happened is not just for mask but for 486 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 1: a whole variety of different interventions that the government has 487 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 1: imposed on us. That they've based them oftentimes on just 488 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: you know, on a study of mannequins in a lab 489 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: or you know, something you do in a petri dish, 490 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: when you know, relating to to you know, certain effects 491 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: of the vaccine, when you're looking at antibodies rather than 492 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: looking at whether people are going to the hospital or not, 493 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 1: that they're using this sort of marker of a certain 494 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: effect rather than the effect itself. So that to me 495 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: is the biggest failure of the CDC and of public 496 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: health officials is that instead of actually studying these things, 497 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: like doing a large trial of you know, school kids 498 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 1: wearing masks in some districts and not in others, instead 499 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: of doing proper trials, instead they're just pointing to these 500 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 1: kind of lab studies or these very very cherry picked 501 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 1: observational studies where you can find, you know, one hundred 502 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 1: studies that say something different. For every hundred that say 503 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: you know that say one thing, you find the other. David, 504 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: you're working on a book about the decision to shut 505 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 1: down schools in March and to keep them closed for 506 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: many people require remote learning. And by the way, let 507 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: me mention this to your point on studies. Orange County, 508 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: just south of LA virtually no masks required. LA requires them. 509 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: Where I live in Nashville, kids in schools in Nashville 510 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: had to wear masks. Kids in Williamson County directly south 511 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: where we live did not. There was no statistical difference 512 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: in either of those places where you have bordering counties 513 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: based on mask requirements mandates, and not where will historically. 514 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: As you work work through on your school analysis, I'm arguing, 515 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: and I think Buck agrees, this is the worst public 516 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: policy failure since at least Vietnam. All the experts saying, hey, 517 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: we have to shut down schools. We have to ensure 518 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: that these kids are learning remotely. It's not safe to 519 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: do it. Are you in agreement there. And the reason 520 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 1: why I'm asking this question is everyone basically acknowledges Vietnam 521 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: was a colossal failure. Now the best and brightest got 522 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: it wrong. Is this going to be a modern day Vietnam? 523 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: In your mind as people continue to see the impact 524 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: of shutting down schools and how disastrous has been for 525 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: so many kids. Yeah, I'm glad to hear you, to 526 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: hear your thoughts on that. I agree one hundred percent 527 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: that you know, and that's what prompted me to get 528 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: involved in this. Two years ago. I started doing the research, 529 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: talking to experts outside the US, and very very early on, 530 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: it was clear that the way the risk was presented 531 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: to children was not correct. And very early on we 532 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: saw that opening schools did not lead to a rash 533 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: of outbreaks all over the place. It did not impact 534 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: the overall community rates throughout Europe when they opened schools, 535 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: so very much so in my mind than what I 536 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: am prepared to argue in a very detailed manner is 537 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: not only that this was an enormous catastrophic failure of 538 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: the United States government and our public health apparatus, but 539 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: I want to explain why it happened because that's the 540 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: really you know, it's less about trying to beat people 541 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: over the head to prove that this was or catastrophe. 542 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: I think that's fairly obvious, and there have been some 543 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: other reporters who's done some really great work showing the harms. 544 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: To me, what's more interesting is, you know, how did 545 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: this happen? Why did it happen? So, but to your 546 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: point about Vietnam, you know, the thing that I'm not 547 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: certain about is how this is going to be viewed now. 548 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: Historically Vietnam, right, there was tons of protests and things 549 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: like that, and we had that here, but much less so. 550 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: And what I worry about is is that, regardless of 551 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: what evidence comes out, that if the sort of quote 552 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 1: establishment doesn't acknowledge this, that it may not be viewed 553 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: in that manner, which would be a grave mistake. So 554 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: hopefully my book can be you know, a ball work 555 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: against that. David's way of the Atlantic. David, when's the 556 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: book coming out? Not for a very long time, but 557 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: that's okay. Well, we'll keep in touch until then. We'll 558 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: have you on. Thank you, sir, appreciate your work on this. 559 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me take care of us. He just 560 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: been doing fantastic work. That's David's way, and I hope 561 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: that his book will help to alter the trajectory of 562 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: how we talk from a historical perspective about the failure. 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We've talked a lot about 591 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: major issues going on in the country. To start the 592 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: first hour, Seattle can't even find police to investigate grapes. 593 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,719 Speaker 1: It's crazy. Joe Biden's got a primetime address tonight on 594 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: gun safety, gun control, however you want to classify it. 595 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: At seven thirty Eastern, We've been talking about what the 596 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: data reflects in terms of where crimes are actually occurring, 597 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: how there and whether or not there is any attempt 598 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:07,959 Speaker 1: to lessen that crime, and spoiler alert, there mostly is not, 599 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: because when you go after the police, you attack the 600 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 1: people who are most responsible for lessening crime all over 601 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: the country. But Buck Sexton and I are in a 602 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 1: bit of a bit of a tiff here over the 603 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 1: incredible popularity of the Johnny Depp and Amber Heard trial. 604 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: I admit that I got sucked in. I started paying attention. 605 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:36,240 Speaker 1: I started covertly and secretly reading articles about this trial. 606 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,840 Speaker 1: When I would finish sometimes our show, I would flip 607 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 1: it on and watch the testimony. Sometimes in prep for 608 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 1: this show, I would be sneaking a glance over my 609 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: shoulder at the latest testimony from Johnny Depp or Amber Heard. 610 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: And the numbers reflect that an overwhelming majority of those 611 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 1: who pay attention to news were also equally all in 612 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: on this trial. So one eight hundred two eight two 613 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: two eight eight two I am offering absolution of a sense. 614 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,879 Speaker 1: If you were involved among those mass individuals who were 615 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 1: obsessed with this case or grew to care a great 616 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 1: deal about this case, you can call in and offer 617 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,839 Speaker 1: your confession. Blackey'm one of them, and I gotta tell 618 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 1: you from it. Like if I want to make this 619 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: into a big story. I think it represents the end 620 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 1: of me too and Believe all women. And we know 621 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: that this was a crap argument in the first place. 622 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,720 Speaker 1: Four years ago, they used it to try to bludgeon 623 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 1: Brett Kavanaugh and keep him from being becoming a Supreme 624 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 1: Court justice. It was all a lie. But Amber heard 625 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 1: being rejected this publicly by a jury in northern Virginia, 626 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: Fairfax County. Not exactly a woke sorry anti woke community, 627 00:35:55,280 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 1: right northern Virginia, liberal leaning community. Teen million dollars now, 628 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,760 Speaker 1: those numbers pulled back ten million in compensatory, five million 629 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,439 Speaker 1: in punitive. Those numbers pulled back based on state law 630 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 1: in Virginia and punitive damages. And Johnny Depp's agent got 631 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: hit with the two million defamation claim. But when this 632 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 1: jury found that there was actual malice involved in clear 633 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 1: and convincing evidence that a Washington Post editorial had constituted 634 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 1: defamation against Johnny Depp, I think it was a clarion 635 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: call signaling the end of hashtag believe all women and 636 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: me too. Now, Buck, you basically have now. And by 637 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 1: the way, the verdict surprised me because yesterday on the show, Buck, 638 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 1: when you and I were talking I thought we would 639 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 1: see like minimum dollar damages, maybe a defamation finding. But 640 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 1: effectively Johnny Depp has bankrupted Amber Heard if she ends 641 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 1: up having to pay out this settlement, and may well 642 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,879 Speaker 1: have rescued his own career and provided a vinde court 643 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: vindication in some way for him based on these allegations. 644 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: And I think anyone out there who was saying buck 645 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 1: believe all women or me too, every woman's telling the truth. 646 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: I mean it's a fundamental miscarriage of justice to say 647 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 1: believe all men, believe all women, believe all black men, 648 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 1: black women, Asian men, Asian women, Hispanic whatever, right. And 649 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 1: so I think this actually is a significant case. But 650 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 1: I you know, the tawdry details and everything else, I 651 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 1: was all in on it. I secretly have been a 652 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 1: big fan. I look at You're an honest fellow. You 653 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 1: like Bluetooth speaker music on a peaceful beach. You know 654 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: you would you admit to things, and I appreciate that 655 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 1: about you. Um kicked out of a Little League game 656 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:45,839 Speaker 1: for God's sakes and came on the radio and talk. 657 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,319 Speaker 1: By the way, can I you should put out a 658 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 1: pull on your Twitter so I can just see even 659 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,919 Speaker 1: even in Clay Travis world, Like, even in your people, 660 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 1: your followers on social media, how many of them are like, yeah, Clay, 661 00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,319 Speaker 1: tell that umpire, what's up? And how many of them 662 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 1: you gotta I think you could definitely like a thirty 663 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,799 Speaker 1: thirty percent or on my side, seventy percent, or again 664 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 1: a lot of maybe it's fifty three. A lot of 665 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 1: people are just like, hey, why would you tell that story? 666 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 1: And the honest truth is I try to be as 667 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,400 Speaker 1: honest with my audience, this audience, anybody who listens to 668 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 1: me as I possibly, and sometimes that means you share 669 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: things that otherwise you'd be like, yeah, I wasn't like 670 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,440 Speaker 1: not like I was excited to get kicked out of 671 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,240 Speaker 1: a little league game for I will tell you disputing 672 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 1: an awful call. I never got a yellow card as 673 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 1: a that's not true. I got never got a yellow. 674 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 1: I got two yellow cards as a high school soccer player. 675 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 1: That's I I that was. I cannot tell a lot few. 676 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,359 Speaker 1: I got a couple. I never got a red card though. 677 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 1: I never got a red card. I got a yellow 678 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 1: that was gonna be a red as a coach, though, 679 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,360 Speaker 1: so because I get an official high school match, and 680 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:45,719 Speaker 1: you can you imagine me. I mean, I'm the guy 681 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: who sits there quietly at sporting events like I just 682 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,880 Speaker 1: contemplated what happened? They got you so fired up? Do 683 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,279 Speaker 1: you remember? Oh? Yeah, no, they the guy one of 684 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,399 Speaker 1: my one of my guys, was getting man handled by 685 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 1: the other team, a bunch of bunch of thugs. Somebody 686 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 1: should have checked their their IDs for the age his 687 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 1: high school soccer not you know, postgrad college soccer kids had. 688 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 1: You know, there was kids on the other team. It 689 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 1: looked like they had five kids of their own and 690 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 1: had a beard like uh like one of the one 691 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 1: of the guys from zz Top. Anyway, Um yeah, I 692 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: just I yelled out, you know, if they're not going 693 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,919 Speaker 1: to call anything because the ref is blind, we still 694 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,799 Speaker 1: got to play on something like there might have been 695 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,279 Speaker 1: a curse. I don't know, Clay, it was a long 696 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 1: time ago. I can get a little salty too sometimes. 697 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 1: But so the ref stopped the match, came out the 698 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 1: entire match and walked over and it was it was 699 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 1: a playoff game. There were a lot of people on 700 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,680 Speaker 1: the sidelines. Walked over and said one more word from 701 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 1: you and you're gone, and put up pulled out the 702 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,480 Speaker 1: yellow card. I was like, whoa, and he said I 703 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,440 Speaker 1: was deliberately disrespectful. I always remember that that was the 704 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,839 Speaker 1: which you know what fair I was. Actually he did, 705 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 1: were deliberately disrespecting his awful reffing correct that. Yes, So 706 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 1: so I you know, I think I actually I'm I'm 707 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,959 Speaker 1: on team Clay Travis on this one without even knowing 708 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: the facts, because a really bad ref can ruin your day. 709 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 1: So I on the Johnny Depp thing, though, which I know, Uh, 710 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,120 Speaker 1: we were sitting here, you know, Captain Jack Sparrow. There 711 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 1: are a lot of fun memes that it was the 712 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 1: day that ever heard almost captured. Yes, Captain Jack Sparrow 713 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,319 Speaker 1: in court, I'd say this you ever read them? This 714 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 1: maybe could be added to our our books list. The 715 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 1: forty eight Laws of Power by Robert Green. No, I 716 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 1: don't even know that hurt van tastic book. It's essentially 717 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:24,200 Speaker 1: an updated Machiavelli for all times. Machi Velli's The Prince 718 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 1: is one of the most seminal important works of political 719 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:30,240 Speaker 1: science that you that everybody put it up, Orwell's nineteen 720 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 1: eighty four machi Velli The Prince on Liberty John Stuart Mill. 721 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:36,719 Speaker 1: I mean, there are just some things you gotta read, 722 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 1: you know. Some people would say Edmund Burke Reflections of 723 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,160 Speaker 1: the Revolution in France producer Ali, by the way, it's 724 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:42,600 Speaker 1: like jotting all these ones down. We're gonna have to to 725 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,400 Speaker 1: fill these up on close. Are those are ones, by 726 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:45,839 Speaker 1: the way, that are not going to be beach read? 727 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,600 Speaker 1: Those are books. No, No, let's be clear, those are 728 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 1: not gonna be like, hey, I'm going down to I'm 729 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,279 Speaker 1: getting away from the family for you know, wife and 730 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 1: I are getting away. I totally accurate assessment. I'm just 731 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 1: you were correct. Those are like you gave me. I'm 732 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,239 Speaker 1: still I'm getting up to page two hundred here on 733 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 1: Undaunted Courage, which is fact. You could read that on 734 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,839 Speaker 1: the beach. It's a great yes, it was a beach 735 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 1: read a great book. Forty eight Laws of Power. It 736 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 1: is actually forty eight laws about human power and how 737 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,719 Speaker 1: it manifests, and it tells you stories from history to 738 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,759 Speaker 1: illustrate it. But I remember, and I'm paraphrasing one of 739 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 1: the laws of power, and this is what makes me 740 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,279 Speaker 1: think of this. And I'm telling you all, it is 741 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,920 Speaker 1: a Some people say it's like a sociopath's handbook. Whatever. 742 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 1: It's a really good it's very good about strategy, and 743 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 1: it's kind of like Sunsue with historical stories in it. Anyway, 744 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,719 Speaker 1: one of the things is cut toxic people out of 745 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:41,360 Speaker 1: your life. And you have to be absolutely ruthless about 746 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 1: when someone is when you're you know, I'm not talking 747 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,080 Speaker 1: about family members, We're talking about someone you're choosing, whether 748 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 1: it's a co worker, of romantic interest, when you realize 749 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,919 Speaker 1: someone is toxic, because a toxic person can, if close 750 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 1: enough to you, destroy anyone. It's one of the lessons 751 00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 1: of the book. Then for a coaching Energy Vampires is 752 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,880 Speaker 1: a way to put that, like if they are sucking 753 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,280 Speaker 1: all of your energy out. I mean, that is tremendous 754 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,839 Speaker 1: advice for anybody out there of any age. And when 755 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,080 Speaker 1: you when you see the Johnny Depp amber heard thing 756 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,719 Speaker 1: and the point of this, that was fascinating, I will 757 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,239 Speaker 1: say to me from the outside, and I watched very 758 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,680 Speaker 1: little of it, and I just sort of caught the 759 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 1: you know, the day because we're on air basically when 760 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,040 Speaker 1: it was going on. Yeah, right, we're going to cover 761 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,160 Speaker 1: it live. I would have watched it every day if 762 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,719 Speaker 1: we weren't on Airy, Yeah, I would. I mean six weeks. 763 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,360 Speaker 1: I would have been like sitting down in front of 764 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,239 Speaker 1: my chair, watching you drink it a froze a by 765 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,920 Speaker 1: the pool, listening to me and me and me and 766 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,120 Speaker 1: the suburban moms in the pickup line at school. We 767 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,680 Speaker 1: would have been breaking down the lay. I had a friend, Um, 768 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,120 Speaker 1: she said, she's in a book club. She said, one 769 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,359 Speaker 1: of the women that's in her book club said, We're 770 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 1: not even going to do a book this week. I'm 771 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,480 Speaker 1: hosting it. Everybody's coming over. We're just talking about the 772 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,239 Speaker 1: Johnny Depp amber heard trial at the book club. So, 773 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 1: I mean, it looked this became a kind of a 774 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,080 Speaker 1: cultural phenomenon for you know, for a matter of a 775 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,560 Speaker 1: number of weeks here. And I just think that for 776 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:03,200 Speaker 1: anyone observing this, we even such a celebrity obsessed culture 777 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:04,600 Speaker 1: to the point where for a lot of people it 778 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,960 Speaker 1: is really unhealthy, to the point where it becomes a 779 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,359 Speaker 1: waste of time, Like your your input, and we all 780 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,239 Speaker 1: dabble in letting our brains go on rest. You know, 781 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,680 Speaker 1: I'll watch you know, random things on Netflix or something. 782 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we all I get that. I'm 783 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 1: not judging that I do it too, but there is 784 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,120 Speaker 1: a portion of our society that I think a celebrity 785 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,480 Speaker 1: obsessed to a degree where it's it's harmful to their 786 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,920 Speaker 1: psyches because they elevate these people. They think they live 787 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:33,200 Speaker 1: these amazing lives, having so great. Johnny Depp married somebody 788 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,040 Speaker 1: who and now I'm not saying he's an angel, by 789 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,160 Speaker 1: the way at all. I didn't really follow. The number 790 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,680 Speaker 1: one takeaway is that both of these people have toxic 791 00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,960 Speaker 1: aspects of their personality, and together they became even more toxic. 792 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,280 Speaker 1: Was do you ever see that it was a cartoon 793 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,640 Speaker 1: in a movie, the Toxic Avenger. You know, it was 794 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:54,040 Speaker 1: a toxic waste dump of a relationship. This was like 795 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,280 Speaker 1: the green ooze that turned the Turtles into the teenage 796 00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:01,480 Speaker 1: mutant Ninja Turtles. Like, this was a really bad situation. 797 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,520 Speaker 1: And I just think that for people to see Captain 798 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,920 Speaker 1: Jack Sparrow, who look, he's been so many movies, but 799 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,680 Speaker 1: that's really the iconic you know, that's that's the thing 800 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,920 Speaker 1: that he made a multi billion dollars. Franchi apparently apparently 801 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,480 Speaker 1: personally made six hundred million dollars over the course of 802 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,640 Speaker 1: his career, which is, you know, even by Hollywood standard, 803 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,320 Speaker 1: that's a lot of money. To make fund as an actor. 804 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,319 Speaker 1: He had somebody who was effectively making his life a 805 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,560 Speaker 1: living hell every day because he made bad personal choices, 806 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,520 Speaker 1: and at the top of the bad personal choice list 807 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,840 Speaker 1: was who he was spending his time with. You have 808 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,759 Speaker 1: to protect and this is just a lesson that I 809 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,319 Speaker 1: take from it, and other people can take from it 810 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,799 Speaker 1: what they will. You have to protect your psyche and 811 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:44,200 Speaker 1: protect your time, no matter who you are, because toxic 812 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,000 Speaker 1: people can make you miserable, even if you're worth hundreds 813 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 1: of millions of dollars and are globally famous. So that's 814 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,120 Speaker 1: my biggest takes what's your biggest takeaway from this trial? 815 00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,160 Speaker 1: But I mean the big picture takeaway to me is again, 816 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 1: I think it has changed the calculus of accusing a 817 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:04,120 Speaker 1: man of misconduct, whether you believe or disbelieve, but it's 818 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,319 Speaker 1: a jury or not for the me too, and to 819 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,280 Speaker 1: believe all women. I mean, Johnny Depp effectively has bankrupted 820 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,000 Speaker 1: amber heard and so if you are a woman out 821 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,080 Speaker 1: there and the power dynamic had become so altered that 822 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,799 Speaker 1: as soon as you said this guy did to me 823 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,840 Speaker 1: something that was inappropriate, it could be criminal or it 824 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:27,000 Speaker 1: could be just you know, awkward social interactions. The guy 825 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:31,279 Speaker 1: was automatically guilty, right, That's what hashtag believe all women represented. 826 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,279 Speaker 1: And now in the back of any woman's mind, if 827 00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,839 Speaker 1: she is thinking about making allegations, she has to think, 828 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,880 Speaker 1: wait a minute, what if that guy decides to file 829 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,960 Speaker 1: a defamation case against me? He could bankrupt me. Now, 830 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,080 Speaker 1: if women are telling the truth, I think they should 831 00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,160 Speaker 1: still come forward. But the idea that women don't lie 832 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,799 Speaker 1: is just a fundamental Everybody out there knows women who lie, 833 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,040 Speaker 1: and by the way, men who lie too. And so 834 00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,600 Speaker 1: we had spun so far outside of rational discourse to 835 00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,040 Speaker 1: say we believe you because of your gender. Does lawyer 836 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:07,759 Speaker 1: Clay think that in the near future we will see 837 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:13,200 Speaker 1: a high profile allegation of sexual conduct misconduct, I should say, 838 00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:17,720 Speaker 1: sexual misconduct, or even a sexual assault that is false, 839 00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,840 Speaker 1: as has happened with some of the very high profile 840 00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,560 Speaker 1: cross and then and then and then we'll result in 841 00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,319 Speaker 1: a defamation claim by the accused. Do you think we 842 00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,120 Speaker 1: could see that? As you know, do you think the 843 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:32,360 Speaker 1: shift and mentality is that strong? I look, I think 844 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,600 Speaker 1: that Johnny Depp's lawyers are probably sitting down right now 845 00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,960 Speaker 1: saying we won fifteen million. Do we want to push 846 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,280 Speaker 1: more chips in the table and sue the Washington Post 847 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,200 Speaker 1: for publishing this op ed from Amber Heard, which was 848 00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,680 Speaker 1: the basis of the defamation case. And I think that 849 00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:52,640 Speaker 1: you will see increasing skepticism that the media is willing 850 00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,839 Speaker 1: to embrace. Remember talking about Hollywood. Do you remember Matt 851 00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,040 Speaker 1: Damon got crushed early in the days of Me Too 852 00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,080 Speaker 1: for coming out and saying, hey, there's a difference between 853 00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:06,000 Speaker 1: grabbing somebody's ass and rape, right, which is one hundred 854 00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,719 Speaker 1: billion percent true. And he was just saying, hey, we 855 00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,759 Speaker 1: have we can't treat everything as if it's some sort 856 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,480 Speaker 1: of seminal violation of me Too. And he got destroyed 857 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,520 Speaker 1: and had to apologize for that take. You realize that 858 00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,360 Speaker 1: producer greg In there has to have like octopus, you know, 859 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,440 Speaker 1: technicals to deal with all that. There's a lot of 860 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,240 Speaker 1: people who want to everybody. 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