WEBVTT - The Season with Peter Schrager: Jets OC Nathaniel Hackett 0:00:07.266 --> 0:00:09.666 The Season with Peter Schreeger is a production of the 0:00:09.786 --> 0:00:26.026 NFL in partnership with iHeartRadio. What's Up, everybody, Welcome to 0:00:26.106 --> 0:00:28.826 the Season with Peter Schreger. We are officially in the 0:00:28.906 --> 0:00:32.866 NFL off season as we record this podcast. I am 0:00:32.906 --> 0:00:37.906 outside in a rental house on a porch recording this podcast, 0:00:37.946 --> 0:00:42.386 which is beautiful considering the modern technologies that we have. Aaron, 0:00:42.866 --> 0:00:45.866 you seem to be remote as well. My producer, Aaron 0:00:45.946 --> 0:00:48.346 Wang Kaufman erin, where are you? Are you in Brooklyn? 0:00:48.786 --> 0:00:49.186 Yeah? 0:00:49.226 --> 0:00:52.946 I actually just got back to Brooklyn late this weekend. 0:00:53.386 --> 0:00:56.786 Where were you pal was in Mexico for a wedding. 0:00:57.186 --> 0:00:58.706 Okay, nice. 0:00:59.426 --> 0:01:02.346 We've got an amazing show up ahead and we are 0:01:02.386 --> 0:01:05.146 excited to get started with it real quick. 0:01:05.186 --> 0:01:05.306 Though. 0:01:05.346 --> 0:01:08.106 When I say that, everyone promoter away like I mean that. 0:01:08.666 --> 0:01:11.546 Sean McVay was texting me from New York City, where 0:01:11.586 --> 0:01:13.786 I'm not right now, and he's like, are you out 0:01:13.786 --> 0:01:16.026 do you want to get dinner? Said no where He's Oh, 0:01:16.066 --> 0:01:17.946 I'm going to Europe for the next couple of days 0:01:17.986 --> 0:01:19.666 with my wife. They're expecting a child. 0:01:19.666 --> 0:01:20.346 It's a baby moon. 0:01:20.386 --> 0:01:23.266 I'm like, all right, congratulations, enjoy texted away with a 0:01:23.306 --> 0:01:25.346 couple GMS to see if they'd come on the podcast. 0:01:25.546 --> 0:01:28.426 Multiple gms are in Rome right now, Italy. 0:01:28.906 --> 0:01:32.586 Literally, I think like the OTAs ended and these NFL 0:01:32.626 --> 0:01:35.266 folks just all boarded flights to Europe and that's where 0:01:35.346 --> 0:01:35.626 they are. 0:01:36.706 --> 0:01:38.386 I'm excited that our guests that we're going to have 0:01:38.466 --> 0:01:41.546 on today is in Denver, Colorado. 0:01:41.626 --> 0:01:46.026 He is not in Paris, France, or in uh, you 0:01:46.186 --> 0:01:48.346 name it, in Europe. But it seems like everyone in 0:01:48.386 --> 0:01:50.426 the NFL is take the foot off the pedal this week. 0:01:50.466 --> 0:01:53.426 Even our show Good Morning Football, it's on hiatus. So 0:01:53.506 --> 0:01:57.986 my focus and my attention actually is geared onto the 0:01:58.106 --> 0:01:59.906 NBA Draft lottery. 0:01:59.506 --> 0:02:00.586 And I'll be real quick with it. 0:02:00.666 --> 0:02:03.226 I think this when Ba Yama and I don't know, 0:02:03.266 --> 0:02:05.226 am I pronouncing it right? Wemby is what I've been 0:02:05.226 --> 0:02:07.586 calling him, is a real sensation. 0:02:07.706 --> 0:02:10.626 I got a chance. It's really cool. NFL network has. 0:02:10.586 --> 0:02:12.346 Us talking football, football, football, and there used to be 0:02:12.346 --> 0:02:15.306 an edict like the second you guys start talking about 0:02:15.306 --> 0:02:18.466 any other sport on air, we lose viewers. It almost 0:02:18.506 --> 0:02:20.586 as if if we end up talking about Wimbledon, we're 0:02:20.586 --> 0:02:24.346 gonna lose viewers. To someone saying oh, I forgot Wimbledon's on. 0:02:24.386 --> 0:02:26.866 I'm gonna go put on Wimbledon. Or hey, if we 0:02:26.906 --> 0:02:29.346 start talking about the NBA playoffs, people are say, well, 0:02:29.346 --> 0:02:31.346 I'll turn to ESPN for NBA playoffs. 0:02:30.986 --> 0:02:32.066 Sooc, I guess I get that. 0:02:33.026 --> 0:02:35.546 Wemby broke the mold though, when he had the three 0:02:35.626 --> 0:02:38.586 pointer and he missed it and then he followed it 0:02:38.666 --> 0:02:41.786 up and then dunked it in like one straight motion. 0:02:42.066 --> 0:02:43.626 I had to come on the show the next day 0:02:43.666 --> 0:02:45.746 and just say I've been watching the YouTube clip fifty 0:02:45.786 --> 0:02:46.586 times in a row. 0:02:47.306 --> 0:02:48.426 Me saying that. 0:02:48.546 --> 0:02:52.746 Attracted the attention of some folks over at NBA dot 0:02:52.786 --> 0:02:56.186 Com and the NBA channel, which I thought was pretty cool. 0:02:56.226 --> 0:02:57.986 So then the NBA guys got in touch with me 0:02:58.026 --> 0:03:00.626 and said, hey, we do this thing where we simulcast 0:03:00.946 --> 0:03:03.386 all of Wemby's games. Would you want to be a 0:03:03.386 --> 0:03:07.906 guest announcer on one of his games in like the EuroLeague. 0:03:07.306 --> 0:03:08.546 Or in Paris or whatever it was. 0:03:08.586 --> 0:03:10.986 I'm like, hell, yeah, I do. I watched him. He 0:03:11.106 --> 0:03:13.346 was unbelievable, and I'm on the call and I'm like, 0:03:14.066 --> 0:03:17.346 his body type reminds me of Durant, but he also 0:03:17.466 --> 0:03:21.066 has like Stacy Augman to him, and that might be 0:03:21.066 --> 0:03:21.986 before we were Tom Aaron. 0:03:22.026 --> 0:03:25.386 He was like a plastic man, but completely flexible guy. 0:03:25.786 --> 0:03:29.346 And then I listened to Brian Windhorst on Bill Simmons' podcast, 0:03:29.426 --> 0:03:32.306 Who Wendy Has Had at Wendy and Wendy. That sounds 0:03:32.306 --> 0:03:34.186 like a good show they had. He's had a chance 0:03:34.186 --> 0:03:36.226 to get to know the kid a little bit. With 0:03:36.346 --> 0:03:39.506 the Paris France was obviously over there and he covered 0:03:39.546 --> 0:03:42.066 him and he met his youth coach and was spent 0:03:42.186 --> 0:03:45.106 time with him, and he's like he also is really 0:03:45.746 --> 0:03:52.106 self aware, cool, stylish, one hundred percent like in touch 0:03:52.186 --> 0:03:56.186 with who he is and what is at stake, not 0:03:56.346 --> 0:03:58.266 in like the big sense, but more like this is 0:03:58.386 --> 0:03:59.906 just a sport and I'm gonna do my best and 0:04:00.306 --> 0:04:02.106 my life won't be defined by that. I thought that 0:04:02.146 --> 0:04:05.026 was pretty cool stuff and insight and that his game 0:04:05.386 --> 0:04:08.986 is incredib and then his wingspan might be eight feet 0:04:09.146 --> 0:04:11.506 and I don't know. He's going to go first overall 0:04:11.506 --> 0:04:13.626 in the draft this week. If you're listening, this is 0:04:13.666 --> 0:04:16.106 being recorded on Wednesday morning. He's going to go to 0:04:16.146 --> 0:04:18.346 the Spurs and that's a sure thing, and that's great, 0:04:18.786 --> 0:04:20.586 But I also just am excited to watch him play, 0:04:20.586 --> 0:04:24.066 and I feel like the NBA can use some positive headlines. 0:04:24.146 --> 0:04:26.866 They can use another guy that's gonna be, you know, 0:04:26.986 --> 0:04:29.106 in the finals eventually and be the one that we're 0:04:29.106 --> 0:04:32.586 talking about. I feel like I really enjoyed the Miami 0:04:32.666 --> 0:04:36.466 heat story. I loved watching djokch. I don't know, I 0:04:36.466 --> 0:04:37.906 feel like NBA can use another star. 0:04:37.986 --> 0:04:39.186 It's going to be a busy time. 0:04:39.226 --> 0:04:42.746 And just from an NFL standpoint, anytime that I can 0:04:43.146 --> 0:04:45.306 look at another sport and say, Okay, that guy, that 0:04:45.346 --> 0:04:49.506 guy's got star potential, I'm intrigued. And someone put on 0:04:49.546 --> 0:04:52.346 a tweet to me they said, who does who would 0:04:52.346 --> 0:04:53.786 you compare him to in the NFL? And it's so 0:04:53.986 --> 0:04:55.946 bland and so boring. There's so many ways you could 0:04:55.946 --> 0:04:57.986 poke this a holes in this but like just his 0:04:58.066 --> 0:05:00.866 whole this guy could be a freak show like we've 0:05:00.906 --> 0:05:03.506 never seen before. And then he also seems to be 0:05:03.546 --> 0:05:07.666 a great kid, grounded and you know, has good what 0:05:07.826 --> 0:05:10.786 seems to be morals, ethics, and just wants to be 0:05:10.866 --> 0:05:12.666 the best he could possibly be as a person. Also, 0:05:12.706 --> 0:05:16.946 I'm gonna say, Mahomes, it's so lame and it's so stock. 0:05:17.586 --> 0:05:18.946 But when Mahomes came in. 0:05:18.946 --> 0:05:21.066 The league, it was like, all right, this guy throws 0:05:21.106 --> 0:05:23.746 no look past his he does freakish things. He's breaking 0:05:23.786 --> 0:05:26.106 all these records in his second year. Like there's no 0:05:26.186 --> 0:05:28.346 way that this kid could also be an amazing person 0:05:28.386 --> 0:05:30.306 in the community and all this stuff, and he has been, 0:05:30.346 --> 0:05:32.186 and he only gets better and he's motivated by the 0:05:32.226 --> 0:05:34.746 right things. Aaron, I am not in New York City 0:05:34.826 --> 0:05:38.826 right now. You are this whimby going on the subway. 0:05:39.826 --> 0:05:41.866 They have video of him going to the Yankee game 0:05:41.986 --> 0:05:46.066 yesterday and it's he's jumping subway turnstiles like people are 0:05:46.106 --> 0:05:48.306 chasing good and it's he's having fun. And then he's 0:05:48.346 --> 0:05:51.506 on the subway and I just feel like he held 0:05:51.506 --> 0:05:54.466 a baseball. They showed it his hand like absolutely swallows it. 0:05:55.146 --> 0:05:55.626 I don't know. 0:05:55.746 --> 0:05:57.586 I know he's going to San Antonio, which may as 0:05:57.586 --> 0:06:00.346 well be the thirty eighth market in the country. I 0:06:00.346 --> 0:06:02.626 don't know where they are like market wise, but I 0:06:02.666 --> 0:06:04.226 just feel like this guy's going to be a star, 0:06:04.706 --> 0:06:07.866 and his story's cool, and I don't know, I'm excited 0:06:07.866 --> 0:06:09.266 to see what he's got to he's gonna bring to 0:06:09.306 --> 0:06:09.706 the table. 0:06:10.186 --> 0:06:13.186 Yeah, And I mean it is kind of and you'd 0:06:13.226 --> 0:06:15.346 think maybe it would be a bit of a down 0:06:15.426 --> 0:06:18.466 or just knowing it's so everyone knows he's going number one. 0:06:18.866 --> 0:06:21.946 There's no mystery there. But it's still we can't get 0:06:22.066 --> 0:06:26.186 enough of him. He's so exciting. You know the Windhorse 0:06:26.346 --> 0:06:28.786 conversation with Bill where he talked about not only does 0:06:28.786 --> 0:06:30.706 he have like he can shoot the three and then 0:06:30.786 --> 0:06:34.066 follow up his own shot, he can defend inside and 0:06:34.186 --> 0:06:37.546 defend outside. I mean like his he probably will have 0:06:37.586 --> 0:06:40.306 more of an impact on defense right away potent, you know, 0:06:40.586 --> 0:06:41.866 like in his rookie year. 0:06:41.906 --> 0:06:44.666 But you know, I was watching that game and I'm 0:06:44.706 --> 0:06:47.626 calling it and it's on NBA dot Com or NBA TV, 0:06:47.786 --> 0:06:48.666 and it was fun. 0:06:48.746 --> 0:06:49.626 I really loved it. 0:06:49.506 --> 0:06:51.226 Like I got into it, and I'm like, you know what, 0:06:52.186 --> 0:06:54.546 Charles Oakley and Anthony Mason would beat the crap out of. 0:06:54.466 --> 0:06:56.026 This guy and they would just take him in the 0:06:56.026 --> 0:06:56.666 low posts. 0:06:56.866 --> 0:07:00.586 You know, Chauncey bullups and and and Ben Wallace and 0:07:00.666 --> 0:07:03.026 the four Pistons would would not allow this guy to 0:07:03.026 --> 0:07:04.906 do what he pleases. But it's a different NBA now, 0:07:04.986 --> 0:07:10.026 And I actually, you know, everyone thought that like Durant 0:07:10.026 --> 0:07:11.866 was gonna get muscled around wasn't able to do what 0:07:11.906 --> 0:07:14.986 he did because of his his weight. Guess what, Durant's 0:07:15.026 --> 0:07:16.946 one of the greatest scorers of all time. All right, 0:07:17.466 --> 0:07:19.786 I got a segue for you. We talked about Kevin Durant. 0:07:20.386 --> 0:07:25.666 Kevin Durant was in a photograph with Aaron Rodgers and 0:07:25.706 --> 0:07:28.746 they took a photo and Durant posted it. I guess 0:07:28.746 --> 0:07:31.146 on Monday. I don't know if I'm breaking news, but 0:07:31.186 --> 0:07:34.466 as we record this on Wednesday, I believe Rogers is 0:07:34.506 --> 0:07:38.786 set to speak at something called the Psychedelic Science Convention. 0:07:39.026 --> 0:07:43.066 It's in Denver. It's the leaders in thought when it 0:07:43.106 --> 0:07:46.266 comes to psychedelic sciences. I don't want to speak out 0:07:46.306 --> 0:07:48.986 of turn. I'm not criticizing by any means. I just 0:07:49.026 --> 0:07:54.506 don't know that field well enough. But over three hundred exhibitors, 0:07:55.386 --> 0:07:59.306 a thousand guests. My dear friend Melissa Etheridge, who has 0:07:59.346 --> 0:08:01.626 become a pal through Good Morning Football and her love 0:08:01.626 --> 0:08:04.986 of the Chiefs, She's gonna be speaking at this event. 0:08:06.506 --> 0:08:09.666 I also saw that Rick Perry the old was he 0:08:09.746 --> 0:08:10.626 governor of Texas? 0:08:10.706 --> 0:08:11.426 Is that what he was? 0:08:11.826 --> 0:08:11.986 Yeah? 0:08:11.986 --> 0:08:12.466 I think so. 0:08:12.906 --> 0:08:14.706 He's going to be speaking at the event. But Aaron 0:08:14.786 --> 0:08:17.586 Rodgers is going to be speaking. I believe, I'm I 0:08:17.626 --> 0:08:19.706 believe it's with Aubrey Marcus, who he's done a long 0:08:19.826 --> 0:08:25.306 form podcast with. But Rogers is in attendance, and look, 0:08:25.546 --> 0:08:29.906 he's continuing to expand his horizons. And he's always said, 0:08:30.026 --> 0:08:33.226 judge me all you want. Just be curious, like I'm curious. 0:08:33.306 --> 0:08:35.706 That's it, Like you can judge what you want. I'm 0:08:35.786 --> 0:08:37.586 curious about this stuff, and that's what I'm into. So 0:08:38.306 --> 0:08:40.986 I'm not passing judgment. But the Rogers is a great 0:08:41.026 --> 0:08:43.146 segue because we're going to talk Rogers with our next guest. 0:08:43.226 --> 0:08:45.626 We haven't recorded it yet. We're gonna get him live 0:08:45.706 --> 0:08:48.906 in about two minutes. But Nathaniel Hackett has been through 0:08:48.906 --> 0:08:50.506 the ups and downs of the NFL W and it 0:08:50.546 --> 0:08:54.106 comes to being a coach. He also is one of 0:08:54.106 --> 0:08:56.346 these Aaron Rodgers whisperers where he's one of the guys 0:08:56.346 --> 0:08:58.706 that Rogers just loves being coached by and loves being 0:08:58.746 --> 0:09:01.306 in the room with. He is now the offensive courter 0:09:01.346 --> 0:09:03.466 of the New York Jets. There are high expectations, but 0:09:03.506 --> 0:09:06.426 he also went through a tumultuous twenty twenty two season, 0:09:06.466 --> 0:09:08.066 and we'll see how much he wants to talk about 0:09:08.066 --> 0:09:11.386 that and where he is as far as this post 0:09:11.426 --> 0:09:15.586 Broncos experience, which I can't imagine was easy for anyone, 0:09:15.706 --> 0:09:17.506 whether or not you think. 0:09:18.226 --> 0:09:19.786 He deserved to be fired or not. 0:09:20.066 --> 0:09:23.466 The fifteen game season and then to be let go 0:09:23.506 --> 0:09:27.266 before the season's over is something that has to be 0:09:27.306 --> 0:09:29.466 something that sits with you. And now he's a chance 0:09:29.506 --> 0:09:32.906 to redeem himself. So Nathaniel Hackett, Jets offensive coordinator, will 0:09:32.946 --> 0:09:34.026 be joining us after this. 0:09:39.186 --> 0:09:40.786 So excited for our guests today. 0:09:41.546 --> 0:09:43.306 I've been pals with him for a while and I 0:09:43.306 --> 0:09:45.346 think he's one of the greatest offensive mines in this 0:09:45.466 --> 0:09:48.706 league right now. He was with the Denver Broncos as 0:09:48.706 --> 0:09:50.506 the head coach last year. He is with the New 0:09:50.586 --> 0:09:53.346 York Jets as the offensive coordinator this year. He has 0:09:53.546 --> 0:09:56.586 finally taking a little break. It has been I would say, 0:09:57.226 --> 0:09:59.106 a pedal of a medal since he took the job 0:09:59.146 --> 0:10:01.026 with the Jets as the OC and now they are 0:10:01.066 --> 0:10:04.546 on break. Let's welcome in Nathaniel Hackett to the season 0:10:04.586 --> 0:10:08.546 with Peter Schreger. Nathaniel Hackett, good morning, my friend, Good morning. 0:10:08.706 --> 0:10:10.386 Thank you for having me. Appreciate it. 0:10:11.466 --> 0:10:14.066 I think our first interaction goes back to when you 0:10:14.066 --> 0:10:17.066 were with the Bills or the Jaguars, and you and 0:10:17.106 --> 0:10:20.546 I were talking about like Will Ferrell movies at like 0:10:20.586 --> 0:10:22.586 a production meeting, and I'm like, I think I like 0:10:22.666 --> 0:10:24.866 this guy. I don't know this guy, but I think 0:10:24.906 --> 0:10:27.186 we have something in common. And then here we are 0:10:27.266 --> 0:10:29.026 about ten years later, and you and I are talking 0:10:29.026 --> 0:10:30.866 to you're the offensive coordinator of the New York Jets, 0:10:30.906 --> 0:10:34.786 which is basically my team in my backyard. I guess 0:10:34.826 --> 0:10:36.306 I would ask, how has it been with the Jets 0:10:36.306 --> 0:10:38.786 since you had signed back on to be the offensive coordinator? 0:10:38.826 --> 0:10:40.946 And it's nuts to be with Aaron And here we 0:10:40.986 --> 0:10:41.386 go again. 0:10:42.266 --> 0:10:45.946 I mean, it's crazy, you know, it's as you are 0:10:45.986 --> 0:10:49.506 in this profession this long. It's amazing how things end 0:10:49.626 --> 0:10:53.306 up working out. And to be with the New York Jets, 0:10:53.386 --> 0:10:57.026 to be back with Aaron, I mean, he's unbelievable. I mean, 0:10:57.146 --> 0:10:59.586 a guy that I love so much, an organization that 0:10:59.706 --> 0:11:02.066 means so much to me and my family. I mean 0:11:02.906 --> 0:11:05.626 my dad who coached a long time. He was the 0:11:05.626 --> 0:11:07.666 offensive coordinator the New York Jet. So I think that's 0:11:07.666 --> 0:11:09.906 something that means a lot to me. To be able 0:11:09.906 --> 0:11:13.186 to go to a place that he's been so I 0:11:13.226 --> 0:11:16.266 love it. I mean, let's go New Jersey, New York, 0:11:16.546 --> 0:11:16.946 all of it. 0:11:18.306 --> 0:11:20.146 I'm I'm gonna come back to the Jets. Second, I 0:11:20.146 --> 0:11:21.666 want to do a parallel here. Tell me if I'm wrong. 0:11:21.666 --> 0:11:24.026 All right, So your father was a legendary coach. Paul 0:11:24.066 --> 0:11:30.226 Hackett still is a legendary mind. Went from college ranks, 0:11:30.826 --> 0:11:33.666 then was in the NFL and he was the OC 0:11:34.026 --> 0:11:37.066 the for the Ken City Chiefs when Joe Montana was there. 0:11:37.066 --> 0:11:39.906 But before that he was with Montana with the Niners 0:11:39.906 --> 0:11:42.106 when they won the Super Bowl in eighty four. And 0:11:42.146 --> 0:11:45.106 then he's reunited with Montana when Montana's traded to the 0:11:45.186 --> 0:11:47.346 Chiefs and he was the OC there in Montana. Which 0:11:47.386 --> 0:11:50.626 is rave about your pops, And was this great relationship 0:11:50.666 --> 0:11:54.426 between Hackett and Montana Hackett in Montana. You and Rogers 0:11:54.546 --> 0:11:56.546 kind of have this similar path right now where you 0:11:56.586 --> 0:11:59.186 guys had this great success when you were his offensive 0:11:59.186 --> 0:12:01.666 coordinator in Green Bay. You break up for a year 0:12:01.746 --> 0:12:04.026 and then now you're reunited again and it's like Hackett 0:12:04.026 --> 0:12:04.986 and Rogers Hackett Rodgers. 0:12:05.026 --> 0:12:06.426 Have you and your dad ever spoken about that? 0:12:06.706 --> 0:12:09.746 And how there's something about the communicating with the great 0:12:09.746 --> 0:12:12.266 ones that maybe not everyone has a secret that you 0:12:12.306 --> 0:12:12.786 guys might. 0:12:14.106 --> 0:12:17.466 I mean, we definitely talk about it a lot. I mean, 0:12:18.466 --> 0:12:23.066 my dad and Joe, we're obviously very close. I think 0:12:23.106 --> 0:12:25.026 that was one of the reasons why Joe went to 0:12:25.106 --> 0:12:28.306 Kansas City during that time. I think that anytime you 0:12:28.386 --> 0:12:31.906 get I mean any quarterback, any quarterback that is comfortable 0:12:31.906 --> 0:12:34.626 with the guy that's in his ear on game day, 0:12:34.626 --> 0:12:37.706 that is going through the game plan process, that knows 0:12:37.706 --> 0:12:39.266 that you got his back and you're trying to do 0:12:39.306 --> 0:12:41.746 everything you can to put him in the best position possible. 0:12:42.586 --> 0:12:47.146 That that's always appealing to any guy. And it is unique, 0:12:47.346 --> 0:12:49.266 like kind of the whole thing. I remember I had 0:12:49.266 --> 0:12:51.626 gotten a text when when the Aaron trade had gone 0:12:51.626 --> 0:12:54.546 through that a lot of people were drawing those parallels, 0:12:54.626 --> 0:12:56.906 and you know, I was just kind of laughing, and 0:12:57.746 --> 0:12:59.946 I mean, it is crazy. Again, it's crazy how this 0:13:00.186 --> 0:13:01.986 game works. I mean, it's why we all love the 0:13:02.066 --> 0:13:04.306 NFL so much, why we love this game so much, 0:13:04.386 --> 0:13:07.666 is when you get things like this happening. I mean, 0:13:07.666 --> 0:13:10.226 who would have thought that I would have been at 0:13:10.266 --> 0:13:12.666 the New York Jets, let alone Aaron. I mean, in 0:13:12.746 --> 0:13:15.066 this just a short period of time. I mean, anything 0:13:15.066 --> 0:13:16.426 can happen. That's why it's a great game. 0:13:16.946 --> 0:13:20.426 You talk about your influence that your father has on you. Obviously, 0:13:20.466 --> 0:13:22.626 what was it like growing up as a coach's son. 0:13:22.706 --> 0:13:26.266 Obviously you're traveling, you're going to new places, you're making 0:13:26.306 --> 0:13:28.946 new friends. But for you to decide to go into 0:13:28.946 --> 0:13:33.346 this profession as well, you must have truly not idolized. 0:13:33.346 --> 0:13:35.426 But maybe you looked at it as hey, that's a 0:13:35.426 --> 0:13:37.186 step and that's a path, and I want to embody 0:13:37.226 --> 0:13:38.226 what my father did as well. 0:13:38.826 --> 0:13:41.586 Yeah, I mean, growing up as a kid in this 0:13:41.706 --> 0:13:45.026 game is crazy, and I'm glad that I'm there for 0:13:45.226 --> 0:13:48.306 my kids as you go through this process because there's 0:13:48.306 --> 0:13:52.266 a lot of ups and a lot of downs. And 0:13:52.306 --> 0:13:54.586 again that's why this game is so great because of 0:13:54.626 --> 0:13:58.906 those ups and downs. But grown up in this one 0:13:58.906 --> 0:14:01.586 of the coolest things about myself was being able to 0:14:01.586 --> 0:14:04.186 grow up in a locker room my dad right out 0:14:04.226 --> 0:14:05.746 the gate. I mean, I remember when we were at 0:14:05.826 --> 0:14:10.266 University of hit and Curtis Martin, Alex van Pelt, all 0:14:10.306 --> 0:14:13.786 these guys were Cardo McDonald, I mean, so many great players. 0:14:13.786 --> 0:14:15.746 My dad threw me in the locker room and made 0:14:15.746 --> 0:14:17.026 me work in the equipment room. 0:14:17.306 --> 0:14:17.706 Is that right? 0:14:17.866 --> 0:14:22.986 Washing? Oh yeah, maybe wash clothes, pick up clothes, fulld towels. 0:14:23.026 --> 0:14:25.866 I mean he wanted me so just being around the 0:14:25.946 --> 0:14:29.186 guys and then going to Kansas City, I mean I 0:14:29.226 --> 0:14:30.626 was there the whole time, and I mean I've got 0:14:30.706 --> 0:14:32.706 some front Darren Kerns who took me under his wing. 0:14:33.026 --> 0:14:36.666 Alan Wright, who's the head equipment guy now City Chiefs. Yeah, 0:14:36.706 --> 0:14:38.866 I mean he's there, Mike Davidson who still works there. 0:14:39.146 --> 0:14:41.826 You're naming equipment guys from the Chiefs. Those are the 0:14:41.826 --> 0:14:42.906 guys that had an impact on you. 0:14:42.946 --> 0:14:43.706 I love this though. 0:14:43.946 --> 0:14:45.466 I mean, and that's the thing, like, I mean, when 0:14:45.466 --> 0:14:47.266 you're in the locker room with those guys, I mean 0:14:47.466 --> 0:14:49.946 I remember when Marcus Allen because it was Joe Montana, 0:14:49.986 --> 0:14:52.826 Marcus Allen, Kim Wand or Derrek Thomas, those guys. I 0:14:52.826 --> 0:14:56.866 mean I'm picking up their laundry and Washington clothes and 0:14:57.226 --> 0:14:59.786 getting to know him, see him interaction and just just 0:14:59.826 --> 0:15:02.346 being able to be part of that was so amazing. 0:15:02.386 --> 0:15:04.186 And I think that's something that my dad did great 0:15:05.066 --> 0:15:07.666 for me, is let me be part of the team, 0:15:07.746 --> 0:15:09.986 because I mean, in the end, that's why we love 0:15:10.066 --> 0:15:11.666 this game so much, and that's why people get so 0:15:11.666 --> 0:15:13.986 addicted to it in this profession because being a part 0:15:14.026 --> 0:15:16.626 of team, I mean, there's nothing like it. And you know, 0:15:16.906 --> 0:15:19.186 it was a very small part for me because I 0:15:19.226 --> 0:15:21.546 wasn't even there full time. It was primarily the summers, 0:15:21.666 --> 0:15:24.826 but just that little interaction, you know, you could see 0:15:25.106 --> 0:15:28.066 how beautiful this whole thing is and just see how 0:15:28.066 --> 0:15:31.146 the guys all are together all the time. And so 0:15:31.226 --> 0:15:33.026 that was kind of the best thing growing up as 0:15:33.066 --> 0:15:35.546 a kid. Now, I never thought I was going to 0:15:35.546 --> 0:15:36.706 be a coach, I really do know. 0:15:36.866 --> 0:15:37.866 I mean, because I was gonna say. 0:15:37.986 --> 0:15:40.626 You start, you start thinking, okay, do anything, and you 0:15:40.706 --> 0:15:44.546 might resent the fact that you lived in California, Kansas City, 0:15:44.746 --> 0:15:46.506 New Jersey, like you were bouncing around. 0:15:47.386 --> 0:15:49.826 There was a lot of moving. I mean, it's it's 0:15:49.866 --> 0:15:51.586 we always say, you either get a better job or 0:15:51.626 --> 0:15:55.106 you lose your job in a small, small amount of 0:15:55.106 --> 0:16:00.386 time on this profession, and I mean it's it was 0:16:00.386 --> 0:16:02.546 one of those things that just kind of kind of happened. 0:16:02.626 --> 0:16:05.546 I mean, I didn't go to college in the mindset 0:16:05.586 --> 0:16:08.466 of doing that. I think that it kind of came 0:16:08.506 --> 0:16:10.186 down to a couple of things. As I got out 0:16:10.186 --> 0:16:14.826 of college and ended up getting very lucky and working hard, 0:16:14.866 --> 0:16:17.026 and a couple of people took a shot on me 0:16:17.306 --> 0:16:18.786 and here I am. Now. 0:16:19.346 --> 0:16:21.586 Yeah, and I think with the universal thing on you 0:16:21.706 --> 0:16:24.146 is that you're a great communicator and that you speak 0:16:24.186 --> 0:16:28.986 to these young men as equals, but you also teach 0:16:29.026 --> 0:16:30.706 it in part and you have a different vision on 0:16:30.786 --> 0:16:34.146 things that came from your days in Buffalo coaching EJ. 0:16:34.306 --> 0:16:38.786 Manuel and Kyle Orton and Jeff Toole, but then primarily 0:16:38.826 --> 0:16:41.986 to me, those Jacksonville years with Blake Bortles. 0:16:41.986 --> 0:16:44.226 Just a couple of years. But you guys got to. 0:16:44.226 --> 0:16:46.106 The AFC Championship game and we're a couple of plays 0:16:46.146 --> 0:16:47.786 short of beating the Patriots and playing in the Super 0:16:47.786 --> 0:16:51.586 Bowl with a really young team. And the universal thing 0:16:51.626 --> 0:16:56.066 was Maroon's the coach. It's great Hackett really connecting with 0:16:56.146 --> 0:16:59.066 these players on offense, a really young offense. You want 0:16:59.066 --> 0:17:02.306 to take us through just that ride that I mean, 0:17:02.306 --> 0:17:04.546 the winning Pitchsburgh is still one of the greatest upsets 0:17:04.626 --> 0:17:06.666 and yet you guys went to to toe with them, 0:17:06.666 --> 0:17:09.066 put up forty plus points in Pittsburgh. 0:17:09.266 --> 0:17:11.106 Yeah, that was That was one of the coolest games 0:17:11.146 --> 0:17:13.386 I had ever been a part of, especially when you 0:17:13.426 --> 0:17:16.026 look at the game before we played the Buffalo Bills, 0:17:16.266 --> 0:17:20.826 and really it wasn't a great offensive output by either team. 0:17:20.946 --> 0:17:23.466 I think we won like ten to seven or something 0:17:23.546 --> 0:17:26.066 like that. And then to be able to go to, 0:17:26.586 --> 0:17:28.266 you know, a place like Pittsburgh that I have so 0:17:28.346 --> 0:17:30.306 much respect for growing up there as a kid, and 0:17:30.746 --> 0:17:34.226 just the Steelers in general are such an amazing franchise. 0:17:34.266 --> 0:17:36.466 And you know, I think we ended up winning that 0:17:36.506 --> 0:17:38.706 game forty five to forty two. So I think just 0:17:38.746 --> 0:17:41.746 seeing the two different game plans and the two different 0:17:41.866 --> 0:17:47.226 executions was was was awesome. And yeah, you know, that 0:17:47.346 --> 0:17:50.626 team was very young, and it was very stacked on 0:17:50.746 --> 0:17:54.386 defense and the offense. Were a lot of young guys, 0:17:54.386 --> 0:17:56.706 a lot of guys that hadn't I mean, Keelan cole 0:17:56.946 --> 0:17:59.986 was was a rookie free agent, and D D. Westbrook 0:18:00.106 --> 0:18:03.706 was a was a rookie, and Alan Alan Hearns was 0:18:03.706 --> 0:18:06.146 our was our all wily vet because we had lost 0:18:06.186 --> 0:18:08.346 Allan Robinson on I think it was the third play 0:18:08.426 --> 0:18:12.386 of the season, week one, and those guys Leonard Fournette 0:18:12.386 --> 0:18:15.546 was a rookie and Chris Ivory was there. I mean, 0:18:15.746 --> 0:18:18.346 it was a great Mercedes Lewis, who is one of 0:18:18.386 --> 0:18:21.426 my all time, all time, one of the greatest tight 0:18:21.506 --> 0:18:23.866 ends that ever played this game. But I think the 0:18:23.906 --> 0:18:26.746 cool thing about it was those guys bonded together and 0:18:26.826 --> 0:18:30.346 everybody understood their role, and you know, you look at 0:18:30.346 --> 0:18:33.066 Blake and what he did. He transformed himself that year 0:18:33.586 --> 0:18:36.466 and we were just in a really efficient offense and 0:18:36.866 --> 0:18:40.306 it was great because as the year started it wasn't great. 0:18:41.146 --> 0:18:43.026 We were running the ball really well and the defense 0:18:43.026 --> 0:18:45.906 played great, and then Blake really started picking up steam. 0:18:45.946 --> 0:18:48.066 Halfway through the season. I think he had like three 0:18:48.186 --> 0:18:50.626 hundred plus yards throwing like five games in a row 0:18:50.706 --> 0:18:52.706 or something like that, and we ended up finishing in 0:18:52.706 --> 0:18:54.626 the top ten and of the offense. A lot of 0:18:54.626 --> 0:18:57.506 people forget that, and I just love being part of 0:18:57.546 --> 0:19:00.586 that because there weren't a ton of superstars at the time, 0:19:02.186 --> 0:19:04.426 but the guys played together. And when you talk about 0:19:04.426 --> 0:19:08.826 the communication, I think, you know, we're teachers. As a coach, 0:19:09.226 --> 0:19:11.946 you know, we're teachers. We're just like a kid going 0:19:11.986 --> 0:19:14.986 to high school and you have to find ways to inspire. 0:19:14.986 --> 0:19:16.426 You have to find ways to get them to be 0:19:16.466 --> 0:19:19.826 excited to learn all the different plays, whether it's a 0:19:19.866 --> 0:19:23.346 football play or biochemistry, whatever it is. That you're doing. 0:19:23.386 --> 0:19:25.826 And I really give so much credit to that whole 0:19:25.866 --> 0:19:28.546 group that year in twenty seventeen. I mean, all those guys, 0:19:28.626 --> 0:19:30.946 they really body in on the things that we wanted 0:19:30.986 --> 0:19:32.706 to do and the philosophy that we had and run 0:19:32.706 --> 0:19:35.106 in the football and play play pass down the field 0:19:35.186 --> 0:19:36.986 and it was a thing. It was really a thing 0:19:36.986 --> 0:19:38.586 of beauty and we had a chance there. I mean, 0:19:38.626 --> 0:19:41.026 Blake had a great playoff run those three games and 0:19:41.306 --> 0:19:44.866 especially that Pittsburgh game. But it was a fun run there. 0:19:45.466 --> 0:19:45.626 You know. 0:19:46.266 --> 0:19:48.186 Yeah, I mentioned guys and I almost say it in 0:19:48.386 --> 0:19:52.346 people at home, like what EJ. Manuel and Kyle or like, 0:19:52.626 --> 0:19:54.866 but you had to kind of work with what you 0:19:54.946 --> 0:19:58.946 had in both Buffalo and nothing against Blake Portals in Jacksonville, 0:19:58.946 --> 0:20:02.146 and then things implode in Jacksonville. Eventually get the job 0:20:02.266 --> 0:20:05.026 in Green Bay and then you walk into work with 0:20:05.066 --> 0:20:10.466 maybe the most truly physically gifted thrower of the football 0:20:10.506 --> 0:20:12.426 and the history of the sport. What is your reaction 0:20:12.826 --> 0:20:15.706 the delta between what you've seen as a football coach 0:20:16.026 --> 0:20:18.106 to then getting to know Aaron Rodgers and seeing the 0:20:18.186 --> 0:20:19.106 things he does day to day. 0:20:19.666 --> 0:20:23.426 Yeah, I mean you mentioned all those qbs and you know, 0:20:23.626 --> 0:20:25.706 I've been lucky to work with a lot of different guys, 0:20:25.906 --> 0:20:29.386 and every quarterback in this league is so uniquely different. 0:20:30.586 --> 0:20:32.866 I mean, every guy kind of ticks a little bit different. 0:20:33.586 --> 0:20:35.946 They all have different ways that they learned, different ways 0:20:35.986 --> 0:20:39.346 that they comprehend things. And having an opportunity to go 0:20:39.346 --> 0:20:42.146 to Green Bay another amazing franchise. To be able to 0:20:42.186 --> 0:20:44.586 go in there and work with a guy like Aaron, 0:20:44.906 --> 0:20:47.426 I think the thing that appealed to me was his 0:20:47.506 --> 0:20:52.066 foundation of kind of what I had learned in my 0:20:52.146 --> 0:20:56.226 early early days with my father was something that we 0:20:56.226 --> 0:20:59.466 were able to communicate really well, the true West Coast 0:20:59.466 --> 0:21:02.426 Old School offense, because you know, Aaron was originally trained 0:21:02.426 --> 0:21:06.146 by Mike McCarthy, who, Mike McCarthy had been with my father, heck, 0:21:06.186 --> 0:21:09.706 for I mean nine years. I mean yeah, I mean 0:21:09.746 --> 0:21:12.826 I had known Mike since I was nine years old. 0:21:13.026 --> 0:21:15.546 He worked through the ranks at the Pitt Panthers and 0:21:15.546 --> 0:21:17.626 then went to the KNCG. He was there with Joe 0:21:17.626 --> 0:21:21.186 Montana and all those guys. So I think that to 0:21:21.226 --> 0:21:24.306 have an opportunity to work with Aaron, and even more 0:21:24.346 --> 0:21:26.506 with Matt LeFlore, I meant Matt and I had known 0:21:26.506 --> 0:21:28.826 each other a long time. You know, obviously it's an 0:21:28.866 --> 0:21:33.106 incredible offense that they have created over time. And to 0:21:33.146 --> 0:21:35.026 be able to learn that offense, to be able to 0:21:35.266 --> 0:21:37.706 work with a guy like Aaron who was trained from 0:21:37.786 --> 0:21:41.746 day one, you know, like the Joe Montanas had in 0:21:41.786 --> 0:21:44.546 the early days. It was just a really cool experience 0:21:44.666 --> 0:21:48.066 to be there and kind of correlate those two offenses 0:21:48.146 --> 0:21:50.546 and be with the guy. Again. When we talk about Aaron, 0:21:50.586 --> 0:21:54.226 I mean Aaron's uniqueness is how he sees the game. 0:21:54.626 --> 0:21:57.866 I mean, yes, he can throw the forward pass very 0:21:57.946 --> 0:22:00.186 very efficiently. I mean he can put that ball anywhere 0:22:00.226 --> 0:22:02.226 he wants. I mean, heck, he practically invented his own 0:22:02.546 --> 0:22:06.546 gun footwork as we like to call it. And I 0:22:06.546 --> 0:22:08.506 mean watching him throw the ball is incredible. I mean 0:22:08.546 --> 0:22:11.506 in practice, you're wowed all the time. But I think 0:22:11.586 --> 0:22:13.626 the thing for me was how he sees the game. 0:22:14.226 --> 0:22:18.066 I mean, how he's out there and operating, and I 0:22:18.106 --> 0:22:20.466 mean truly he's out there having fun with the guys 0:22:20.506 --> 0:22:23.906 playing ball and listening to so many different things and 0:22:24.186 --> 0:22:27.786 messing with the opposing defense and the opposing defensive coordinators, 0:22:27.826 --> 0:22:30.266 and how he sees coverages, how we see I mean 0:22:30.306 --> 0:22:33.066 it's it's crazy, like I don't think he I mean, 0:22:33.106 --> 0:22:35.986 I know everybody knows that he's really smart, and you know, 0:22:36.026 --> 0:22:38.426 he's a really good thrower of the football, but I 0:22:38.466 --> 0:22:41.986 mean just his knowledge and understanding of defenses and the 0:22:42.026 --> 0:22:45.826 game is unbelievable. I think that's what always sets those 0:22:45.826 --> 0:22:48.746 guys so far apart. And when you look at some 0:22:48.786 --> 0:22:51.186 of the greats, I mean just talking with some of 0:22:51.186 --> 0:22:53.986 them throughout my time, I mean their true understanding of 0:22:53.986 --> 0:22:55.866 the game of football and how it fits. And I 0:22:55.906 --> 0:22:57.546 mean it's like another coach out there. I mean, that's 0:22:57.546 --> 0:22:59.346 all we study, and I think those guys do that. 0:22:59.386 --> 0:23:01.826 Also, La Floor told a great story to me when 0:23:01.826 --> 0:23:03.306 I did my podcast with Sean McVay. 0:23:03.346 --> 0:23:04.026 We did Flying Coach. 0:23:04.106 --> 0:23:06.386 Ll Floor tell the story of his first year with him, 0:23:06.586 --> 0:23:10.746 and there's about four seconds on the play clock and 0:23:11.266 --> 0:23:13.226 Lafleur's look at the play clock, leaning the play clock, 0:23:13.266 --> 0:23:15.986 and it's his first year and he calls the time 0:23:16.026 --> 0:23:18.666 out and Rogers comes and just tears into it, says, 0:23:18.706 --> 0:23:20.386 don't you ever I had a da da da da 0:23:20.426 --> 0:23:22.466 da da da And before it's like I didn't know it. 0:23:22.506 --> 0:23:25.666 He goes, don't you ever ever do that? Because I'm 0:23:25.706 --> 0:23:26.506 doing it on purpose. 0:23:26.546 --> 0:23:28.266 I'm gonna bring it down with the shot clock with 0:23:28.346 --> 0:23:30.986 one second because I know there's a man coming in 0:23:31.026 --> 0:23:32.626 motion and I know we have it, but I don't 0:23:32.666 --> 0:23:34.266 want to give it away. And I'm like, it's the 0:23:34.306 --> 0:23:36.946 stuff like that, Like when was the first time you, 0:23:37.346 --> 0:23:41.066 as the OC working with him, saw something in Rogers 0:23:41.106 --> 0:23:43.186 where he did something and you were just holy, I've 0:23:43.186 --> 0:23:44.506 never seen anything like that before. 0:23:45.026 --> 0:23:47.866 There was a time in practice we had run a 0:23:47.906 --> 0:23:51.466 play that had my dad always taught me these plays. 0:23:51.626 --> 0:23:55.586 He would say, Okay, all these plays have the number one, 0:23:55.706 --> 0:23:57.826 the number two, the number three, and we put little 0:23:57.866 --> 0:24:00.386 numbers on all these these past drawings, and then they've 0:24:00.386 --> 0:24:02.466 got these other ones that have just like an alert 0:24:02.506 --> 0:24:04.866 on it. And my dad would always tell me, hey, 0:24:04.866 --> 0:24:07.346 that's a Joe montanay. Once you're that experience, once you 0:24:07.386 --> 0:24:09.306 know defense as well enough, okay, you can think about 0:24:09.346 --> 0:24:13.346 that one. And I remember, we're in practice and we 0:24:13.466 --> 0:24:16.826 have a play that has you know, very basic one, two, three, 0:24:17.306 --> 0:24:20.826 and Aaron drops back, looks right, and this is just 0:24:20.866 --> 0:24:24.506 in practice, looks right, comes back over and throws the 0:24:24.546 --> 0:24:27.746 alert on the backside for an amazing touchdown. I forget 0:24:27.746 --> 0:24:31.626 who he threw it to, but it was actually Luke 0:24:31.626 --> 0:24:33.506 Getsy and we're in the room and we're like looking 0:24:33.546 --> 0:24:36.866 at each other and we're like, how what was he doing? 0:24:37.266 --> 0:24:38.746 And Aaron just kind of gives you one of those 0:24:38.786 --> 0:24:43.106 like little smirks like yeah, yeah, and so gets you 0:24:43.146 --> 0:24:46.506 and I go back and we look and like I 0:24:46.546 --> 0:24:48.946 want to say, it was like a week earlier when 0:24:48.946 --> 0:24:52.266 we had run that play versus our defense. He noticed 0:24:52.306 --> 0:24:55.306 that they had pushed everybody over and so there was 0:24:55.346 --> 0:24:57.146 a one on one matchup on the backside to a 0:24:57.186 --> 0:25:00.546 corner route, and he had remembered that just from practice, 0:25:00.626 --> 0:25:02.706 like how he was watching practice And I'm like, oh 0:25:02.746 --> 0:25:06.066 my goodness, I can't believe he remembered from that practice 0:25:06.066 --> 0:25:08.546 clip so far earlier that he could go all the 0:25:08.546 --> 0:25:10.266 way back there and that would end he got the 0:25:10.266 --> 0:25:11.986 exact same coverage, hurt all the same things, and then 0:25:12.186 --> 0:25:14.826 attacked that kind So it's like everybody's live. I mean, 0:25:14.866 --> 0:25:17.546 I was just I was like, Wow, I've never gone 0:25:17.586 --> 0:25:20.746 to that guy and that play and well, hey, I 0:25:20.786 --> 0:25:22.626 guess you've seen it, but just for him to be 0:25:22.706 --> 0:25:26.186 able to remember that had happened was pretty impressive. And 0:25:26.226 --> 0:25:28.146 I was like Okay, this is this is pretty cool. 0:25:28.706 --> 0:25:29.346 Yeah. 0:25:29.386 --> 0:25:31.786 You know you mentioned your your father several times already. 0:25:32.026 --> 0:25:34.146 You said something in one of your Jets interviews, whether 0:25:34.186 --> 0:25:36.066 it would be on the press conference or it was 0:25:36.146 --> 0:25:38.666 during a podcast with their gentleman Eric Allen, who does 0:25:38.666 --> 0:25:41.946 it over there for them? Your father never called a 0:25:41.986 --> 0:25:45.506 play out of the shotgun in twenty years of coaching. 0:25:45.586 --> 0:25:47.066 Never. And now we look at these. 0:25:46.906 --> 0:25:49.866 Offenses and they're so interchangeable and there's so much different stuff. 0:25:50.466 --> 0:25:53.066 How would you define your off are you west coast? 0:25:53.226 --> 0:25:55.466 Are you wide zone? Like? 0:25:55.506 --> 0:25:58.186 What would you describe the Nathaniel Hacket offense? Now as 0:25:58.186 --> 0:26:00.906 we entered twenty twenty three with Rogers at at your 0:26:00.946 --> 0:26:02.346 mercy with whatever you want to do with them. 0:26:02.906 --> 0:26:06.066 Yeah, my dad and I we fight a lot about that. 0:26:06.466 --> 0:26:08.946 It's why don't you under center more? Why don't you 0:26:08.986 --> 0:26:11.066 under centered? How do you see the defense? Kind to 0:26:11.186 --> 0:26:13.946 have your eyes up all the time. But I think 0:26:13.946 --> 0:26:16.826 that to in today's game, you know, everybody has to 0:26:16.826 --> 0:26:19.626 make adjustments. And I think a big part of what 0:26:19.866 --> 0:26:21.706 the reason why we all go to the gun is 0:26:21.946 --> 0:26:24.546 because of all the intricate defenses we see. I mean, 0:26:24.586 --> 0:26:27.346 there are guys in the old days they all didn't 0:26:27.706 --> 0:26:29.626 stand in all the gaps across the board and then 0:26:29.706 --> 0:26:31.986 drop out and run and you know, be able to 0:26:31.986 --> 0:26:36.346 athletically still cover people from standing, almost like a defensive lineman. 0:26:36.866 --> 0:26:39.586 And so I would say, you know, the West Coast 0:26:39.586 --> 0:26:43.386 offense is something people throw around quite a bit, and 0:26:43.786 --> 0:26:46.866 for me, we are very much West Coast, and the 0:26:46.906 --> 0:26:49.666 West Coast is defined for me how you train the quarterback, 0:26:49.706 --> 0:26:52.226 how you teach the quarterback and train the quarterback. But 0:26:52.266 --> 0:26:55.226 I think there's still a huge component of what I 0:26:55.266 --> 0:26:57.826 was able to learn from Matt Lafleur. He is somebody 0:26:57.866 --> 0:27:01.586 that I just respect so much, and I mean, he's 0:27:01.826 --> 0:27:04.186 a dear friend of mine and I love the things 0:27:04.186 --> 0:27:06.586 he does. So the wide zone is kind of the 0:27:06.586 --> 0:27:08.346 starting point in the run game with the play pass 0:27:08.706 --> 0:27:10.866 and the keepers based off of that. But when you 0:27:10.866 --> 0:27:13.546 look at the quick game to drop back that world 0:27:14.026 --> 0:27:17.386 that's more of a West Coast world, kind of like 0:27:17.426 --> 0:27:20.146 what Aaron grew up. So it's a mesh between those 0:27:20.186 --> 0:27:23.146 two with the wide zone the play passes off of it, 0:27:23.386 --> 0:27:25.946 and the pure quick game and drop back West Coast world. 0:27:26.506 --> 0:27:28.986 Now, Matt was a head coach in an offensive mind. 0:27:28.986 --> 0:27:31.306 You were the offensive coordinator. Now you enter this deal 0:27:31.346 --> 0:27:33.706 with Salo where I'm assuming he's like, here are the keys, 0:27:33.946 --> 0:27:36.906 Like I'm not, you go do your offensive like whatever 0:27:36.906 --> 0:27:39.066 you want to do. Does Aaron have the green light 0:27:39.146 --> 0:27:41.906 to audible out of whatever he wants? Can Aaron kind 0:27:41.906 --> 0:27:44.546 of is Aaron out there basically with you co calling 0:27:44.626 --> 0:27:46.746 these plays? Like what's the dynamic now that there's no 0:27:46.826 --> 0:27:48.866 head coach who's going to say, actually, no, let's run this. 0:27:49.986 --> 0:27:53.066 You know that there's aspects of every play. And I 0:27:53.106 --> 0:27:57.226 think that for us, you always want to be in 0:27:57.266 --> 0:27:59.946 a good play. I mean, there's so many unique defenses 0:27:59.946 --> 0:28:02.266 that you face. And that's another argument that I have 0:28:02.306 --> 0:28:03.666 with my father all the time. He's like, I you 0:28:03.666 --> 0:28:06.426 should just call this play and run well, Dad, people 0:28:06.586 --> 0:28:10.066 play their coverage is a lot different than the old days. 0:28:10.746 --> 0:28:13.706 And so I think for me, I think as long 0:28:13.746 --> 0:28:15.746 as we understand the intention of the play and what 0:28:15.786 --> 0:28:17.666 we're trying to accomplish within it. And I think that's 0:28:17.706 --> 0:28:20.306 what's so great about having Aaron is, Hey, you're calling 0:28:20.346 --> 0:28:22.386 this play for this reason. This is what you're trying 0:28:22.386 --> 0:28:24.586 to You want to throw this ball way down the field. 0:28:24.986 --> 0:28:28.466 But if you don't get that advantageous look from the defense. Well, 0:28:28.506 --> 0:28:30.626 we don't want to waste that play. So I think 0:28:30.666 --> 0:28:33.026 whether it's built into the play call, whether it's built 0:28:33.066 --> 0:28:36.426 into an audible package, however we want we always want 0:28:36.426 --> 0:28:38.826 to be sure that we're being efficient and always have 0:28:38.866 --> 0:28:41.346 the ability to stretch the ball down the field. So 0:28:41.346 --> 0:28:43.306 I think there's going to be from freedom with Aaron 0:28:43.906 --> 0:28:46.906 and Aaron as we moved forward in the Green Bay system, 0:28:46.986 --> 0:28:49.986 there was definitely more freedom as we went. We're going 0:28:50.066 --> 0:28:52.226 to just continue that because I think you got to 0:28:52.226 --> 0:28:54.786 take advantage of a guy like Aaron that is so 0:28:54.786 --> 0:28:57.666 smart and understands it. So trying to build this thing 0:28:57.746 --> 0:29:00.346 for him and build it so that when he sees 0:29:00.386 --> 0:29:03.786 certain things, he can do all kinds of stuff and 0:29:03.826 --> 0:29:05.386 put us in the best position possible. 0:29:06.146 --> 0:29:07.866 Why you and him get along so not that he 0:29:07.906 --> 0:29:09.786 doesn't get along with everyone, but he's a he's a 0:29:09.786 --> 0:29:11.866 different kind of cat. And yet you and him like, gosh, 0:29:11.946 --> 0:29:14.106 it's like you guys love each other. I mean I 0:29:14.106 --> 0:29:15.906 could see it in the press conference from him from you, 0:29:15.986 --> 0:29:18.106 but also yah haang. And you go back to all 0:29:18.146 --> 0:29:20.266 the stuff the Gold Zone, all the stuff in Green Bay. 0:29:20.866 --> 0:29:22.226 You connected with him in a way that. I don't 0:29:22.226 --> 0:29:25.786 think we've seen him connect with many coaches before. I'm 0:29:25.786 --> 0:29:27.986 not asking for the secret sauce, but what was it 0:29:28.026 --> 0:29:30.426 that you guys kind of clicked on? And how come 0:29:30.706 --> 0:29:33.146 the two of you or so tight both off the field. 0:29:33.866 --> 0:29:37.266 I mean, it was just something that happened naturally. I 0:29:37.306 --> 0:29:38.986 think that we have a lot of things in common. 0:29:39.346 --> 0:29:42.146 I mean, there's a lot of things we'd love to 0:29:42.186 --> 0:29:45.266 do across the board, off the field. I mean, we're big, 0:29:45.346 --> 0:29:48.586 we love movies, a lot of the same kind of movies. 0:29:49.106 --> 0:29:51.826 We're both close in age, so I think that a 0:29:51.866 --> 0:29:54.106 lot of the things that we talk about where there 0:29:54.146 --> 0:29:55.906 is a lot of correlation. I mean, heck, got coached 0:29:55.906 --> 0:29:58.906 at Stanford against him when he was playing a cat. 0:29:58.906 --> 0:29:59.626 Right, that's good. 0:29:59.666 --> 0:30:02.746 Yeah, we were both young guys, and so I think that, 0:30:03.186 --> 0:30:04.466 you know, I mean there's just a lot of things 0:30:04.466 --> 0:30:05.266 that we have in common. 0:30:05.506 --> 0:30:08.666 And random movie that you and Rogers would mesh on 0:30:08.746 --> 0:30:11.226 that like it's not an obvious one. It's not Step Brothers, 0:30:11.306 --> 0:30:14.946 it's not you know, it's like give me a random 0:30:15.066 --> 0:30:16.066 deep cup, n. 0:30:17.826 --> 0:30:17.866 B. 0:30:19.146 --> 0:30:20.626 That was that was a good one. That that was 0:30:20.666 --> 0:30:24.026 a very unique movie back then. I mean, gosh, we've 0:30:24.066 --> 0:30:25.826 got so I mean, we got so many just from 0:30:25.866 --> 0:30:27.866 how we quote him and how we talk about them. 0:30:27.866 --> 0:30:30.786 And that's part of all the things. Starsky and Hutch 0:30:30.946 --> 0:30:32.226 You gotta love Starsky. 0:30:32.386 --> 0:30:34.866 But Ben Stiller ones, Oh yeah, I. 0:30:34.786 --> 0:30:36.946 Mean there's a lot of I mean Will Ferrell, I 0:30:36.946 --> 0:30:40.066 mean anything that Will Ferrell's in, I mean, we love 0:30:40.106 --> 0:30:44.106 I mean, he's absolutely fantastic. But we actually had a 0:30:44.146 --> 0:30:48.546 big movie the other day. Todd Downing is on our staff, 0:30:48.746 --> 0:30:50.506 a dear friend of mine, somebody I was with when 0:30:50.506 --> 0:30:53.066 I was at Buffalo, and we had a little barbecue 0:30:53.106 --> 0:30:56.266 and we had this long conversation with my good friend 0:30:56.266 --> 0:30:57.706 that works with us also at the New York just 0:30:57.786 --> 0:31:01.066 John Vieira, and we were going through this whole process 0:31:01.066 --> 0:31:04.546 of movies. And here we are. It's it's John Todd, 0:31:04.666 --> 0:31:07.226 me and Aaron talking about these MOVI movies. And we've 0:31:07.226 --> 0:31:11.546 got Zach Wilson, Tim Boyle Straveler. We're all sitting completely 0:31:11.586 --> 0:31:13.986 over their head, right, I mean, they're like, what movies 0:31:14.026 --> 0:31:14.946 are those? Well? 0:31:15.506 --> 0:31:16.386 I love that? Do you understand? 0:31:16.426 --> 0:31:18.266 We could talk about the West Coast Mesh and all that. 0:31:18.306 --> 0:31:20.066 All this is the stuff a little bit, So what 0:31:20.106 --> 0:31:20.546 movies were? 0:31:20.586 --> 0:31:22.146 What what wormhole were we going on? 0:31:22.226 --> 0:31:24.946 Oh you should have seen the list that we built 0:31:25.066 --> 0:31:26.586 for their summer You know how there used to be 0:31:26.586 --> 0:31:27.426 a summer reading. 0:31:27.226 --> 0:31:28.266 Programs, summer movie. 0:31:28.746 --> 0:31:31.386 We created a summer movie list. 0:31:31.506 --> 0:31:32.346 That's it was. 0:31:33.026 --> 0:31:35.946 I mean it was. I mean, so it started off 0:31:35.986 --> 0:31:37.626 as like a one pager and then there were a 0:31:37.666 --> 0:31:39.786 couple of movies that were put put on there that 0:31:39.866 --> 0:31:44.466 I was a little bit upset about it. The list no, 0:31:44.626 --> 0:31:46.706 and so we ended up setting up by genres I 0:31:46.706 --> 0:31:48.786 mean mafia movies too. I mean there were so many 0:31:48.786 --> 0:31:50.546 things that they hadn't seen that we were like, okay 0:31:50.626 --> 0:31:51.666 to get on the same page. 0:31:51.706 --> 0:31:54.226 You're playing in New Jersey. That is a that is 0:31:54.306 --> 0:31:56.946 a sector of movie you need to have. You need 0:31:56.986 --> 0:31:58.906 to know go downas you need to know Donnie Brosco. 0:31:59.026 --> 0:32:02.546 You need to know, Oh, just the Godfathers. Let's go 0:32:02.546 --> 0:32:05.786 Godfathers and Scarface and and you look at some of 0:32:05.826 --> 0:32:08.666 these movies that like blew my mind. I mean it 0:32:08.666 --> 0:32:10.386 was funny because my son was there too, and my 0:32:10.466 --> 0:32:13.906 son saw it. So how mean my son's fifteen, I 0:32:13.946 --> 0:32:16.186 mean he had never seen Terminator. I mean they looked 0:32:16.186 --> 0:32:18.626 at me, they looked at me, and they're like, you know, 0:32:18.706 --> 0:32:20.826 Arnold Swarzenegger, what has he been in you know, because 0:32:20.826 --> 0:32:22.506 they look at him and he's the governor at California. 0:32:22.586 --> 0:32:25.266 You forget, these guys are so young. They're like, oh 0:32:25.266 --> 0:32:27.626 my gosh, we need a major education. I mean, Shasha 0:32:27.666 --> 0:32:29.666 and Redemption, you know. I mean, there were so many 0:32:29.666 --> 0:32:32.066 different things that we were like, Okay, we got to 0:32:32.106 --> 0:32:34.066 make sure we get all these things down. And the 0:32:34.066 --> 0:32:37.026 guys had seen a couple of them, but I mean 0:32:37.386 --> 0:32:39.266 there had to have been I mean, we kind of 0:32:39.306 --> 0:32:41.226 went a little overboard, but we figured it can last 0:32:41.226 --> 0:32:44.266 longer than the summer. You know, it's a long season traveling. 0:32:44.346 --> 0:32:47.226 Yeah, this could be a lifelong like this is a Bible, 0:32:47.306 --> 0:32:49.386 this is great, this is oh yeah. 0:32:49.386 --> 0:32:51.666 Oh we went through We went through them all from 0:32:51.666 --> 0:32:55.666 Bruce Willis Diehards to yeah, and then I mean, I 0:32:55.706 --> 0:32:57.306 mean it was a great list. I'm mnna have to 0:32:57.346 --> 0:32:57.906 send it to you. 0:32:58.106 --> 0:33:00.306 The list was like to share that and we'll share 0:33:00.346 --> 0:33:03.186 with our listeners. And I'm laughing. 0:33:03.226 --> 0:33:05.186 So I'm picturing you got these coaches and you've got 0:33:05.226 --> 0:33:09.026 like Zach Wilson, who's twenty, who Chris Streveler, who's been all. 0:33:08.866 --> 0:33:10.346 Over the world playing football. 0:33:10.426 --> 0:33:12.346 You know, you've got this great room, and then there's 0:33:12.426 --> 0:33:14.826 Rogers kind of calm in the corner, like just probably 0:33:14.826 --> 0:33:15.826 throwing out titles. 0:33:16.586 --> 0:33:18.186 What about this one? What about this one? 0:33:18.266 --> 0:33:21.226 I'll tell you if you could see our quarterback meetings, 0:33:21.306 --> 0:33:25.266 I mean when Aaron and I started talking and because again, 0:33:25.746 --> 0:33:27.826 the fun thing about our room right now is you've 0:33:27.826 --> 0:33:29.346 got a lot of You've got guys that want to 0:33:29.426 --> 0:33:33.706 learn that, that are striving to become better. And the 0:33:33.746 --> 0:33:36.626 cool thing about having Aaron in there is he was 0:33:36.666 --> 0:33:40.666 there for a lot of the origination, the first protections, 0:33:41.066 --> 0:33:44.706 the first uh, why these concepts were named what they 0:33:44.746 --> 0:33:47.026 were named, so the conversation and I know kind of 0:33:47.026 --> 0:33:49.786 the history of all that stuff. So when we start 0:33:49.826 --> 0:33:52.586 talking about where these things come, it's great because you 0:33:52.586 --> 0:33:55.266 get an in depth knowledge of the system and what 0:33:55.346 --> 0:33:57.986 you're trying to accomplish. But there's always that history, whether 0:33:58.026 --> 0:34:00.746 it's movies and then you jump to football and then 0:34:01.506 --> 0:34:04.386 great football player, you know, just all those things. You know, 0:34:04.626 --> 0:34:07.146 it's great to have that background history because I think 0:34:07.146 --> 0:34:10.626 that's what makes people closer to an offense. You know, 0:34:10.706 --> 0:34:14.466 if they think that a play is called you know apples, 0:34:14.826 --> 0:34:17.386 it's well, why is it apples? Where did that stem? 0:34:17.706 --> 0:34:18.826 Let me tell you the story. 0:34:18.946 --> 0:34:21.946 It actually its you know, And so I think those 0:34:21.986 --> 0:34:24.466 are the fun conversations to have because it starts meaning something, 0:34:24.546 --> 0:34:26.506 meaning more to you. So when you do go out 0:34:26.506 --> 0:34:30.586 on the field, you can see where it just comes 0:34:30.586 --> 0:34:32.946 alive and you believe in it more because of where 0:34:32.986 --> 0:34:33.746 that thing came from. 0:34:38.586 --> 0:34:42.746 Donovan Knight, Bam Knight, was on our Good Morning Football 0:34:42.786 --> 0:34:44.626 morning show and he told a story about he was 0:34:44.666 --> 0:34:46.146 in a running backs room and it was him and 0:34:46.146 --> 0:34:47.866 it was Carter and it was Breee and the lights 0:34:47.866 --> 0:34:51.706 were down and there's going through some concept and I 0:34:51.706 --> 0:34:54.066 don't know who the running backs coaches these days, I apologize, 0:34:54.146 --> 0:34:55.466 probably a best friend of you or something like that. 0:34:55.506 --> 0:34:58.186 And he's going, Taylor, there you go. So he's going 0:34:58.186 --> 0:34:58.826 through it and he's the. 0:34:58.786 --> 0:35:00.466 Other thing and it's dark, and all of a sudden, 0:35:00.466 --> 0:35:02.666 a voice from the back of the room, Mike just says, like, 0:35:02.826 --> 0:35:06.746 actually consider this, And it was Rogers, like sitting in 0:35:06.826 --> 0:35:09.226 the back of the running backs room, just like watching 0:35:09.266 --> 0:35:11.906 and listening and like, maybe I'm wrong on the story, 0:35:11.946 --> 0:35:13.066 but that's what I the gist of it. 0:35:13.826 --> 0:35:16.386 How much of an advantage is to have another voice 0:35:16.426 --> 0:35:18.906 who speaks your language and can almost be a coach 0:35:19.066 --> 0:35:21.306 that is now engaged and fully in on it. I 0:35:21.306 --> 0:35:22.226 feel like you guys have this. 0:35:22.946 --> 0:35:24.426 You know, we can talk about the offensive line play, 0:35:24.426 --> 0:35:26.186 whether they're going to keep them up, all all we want, 0:35:26.186 --> 0:35:28.266 but the fact that he's with these young guys teaching 0:35:28.266 --> 0:35:29.786 them the offense is if he's a coach and they 0:35:29.786 --> 0:35:31.186 listen to him like they do, that's got to be 0:35:31.186 --> 0:35:32.106 a huge advantage. 0:35:32.466 --> 0:35:37.266 Oh that's awesome. I mean coaches either. Joe Dumar said 0:35:37.306 --> 0:35:39.266 something that that I thought was really cool from the 0:35:39.346 --> 0:35:43.666 old Detroit Pistons. He said, coaching led teams are very 0:35:43.706 --> 0:35:47.706 good teams, but the great teams are player led teams. 0:35:48.626 --> 0:35:51.106 And so I think that's such a powerful thing when 0:35:51.146 --> 0:35:55.146 you have a player being able to communicate those things 0:35:55.266 --> 0:35:57.546 and have those conversations. And I think that's something that 0:35:57.586 --> 0:36:01.866 Aaron has been really enjoying. You know, just hit all 0:36:01.906 --> 0:36:04.906 the communication he's had, whether he's sitting in the room 0:36:05.226 --> 0:36:09.026 and we're an whole offense together and we're talking about 0:36:09.186 --> 0:36:12.506 certain plays or certain things, and he when he chimes in, 0:36:12.666 --> 0:36:14.746 I mean, that goes so far, not just because it's 0:36:14.746 --> 0:36:17.466 Aaron Rodgers, but because it's another player, it's a guy 0:36:17.506 --> 0:36:20.186 that's you know, in there running it instead of just 0:36:20.226 --> 0:36:22.346 always hearing it from a coach and a coach talking 0:36:22.706 --> 0:36:27.106 to you. It's about the players interacting and learning because 0:36:27.146 --> 0:36:28.426 in the end, they're the ones that are on on 0:36:28.466 --> 0:36:30.906 the field. They're the ones that have to be able 0:36:30.946 --> 0:36:34.066 to operate. You can call any play you want, and 0:36:34.106 --> 0:36:37.266 if it's executed, you know perfectly, every single time, there's 0:36:37.306 --> 0:36:40.306 going to be some form of efficiency. The players are 0:36:40.346 --> 0:36:41.866 going to know how to react. And I think that 0:36:42.066 --> 0:36:45.466 when Aaron gives you all those answers and we're all 0:36:45.506 --> 0:36:48.866 speaking the same language, I think it's a very powerful thing. 0:36:48.946 --> 0:36:51.866 And that's what has really been fun during this offseason, 0:36:51.906 --> 0:36:54.386 and I'm excited after we get a nice break, I'm 0:36:54.426 --> 0:36:56.986 excited for it to continue throughout training camp. 0:36:57.266 --> 0:37:00.306 Do you feel like he's not reinvigorated, but invigorated to 0:37:00.306 --> 0:37:02.986 be with new guys and so much youth on this team. 0:37:04.066 --> 0:37:06.306 I mean, he's been great. I mean when I was 0:37:06.666 --> 0:37:09.306 Green Bay those three years, I mean I remember the 0:37:09.346 --> 0:37:11.906 first year we had a great time, then we hit 0:37:11.946 --> 0:37:14.346 COVID and that third year once he got it. I mean, 0:37:14.666 --> 0:37:16.746 the great thing about Aaron is when he's in the room, 0:37:17.306 --> 0:37:19.466 when he's in the facility, I mean he's all in. 0:37:19.986 --> 0:37:23.746 I mean he is, he's grinding, he's talking, he's communicating. 0:37:24.506 --> 0:37:26.626 I think that being here at the New York Jets, 0:37:27.426 --> 0:37:30.506 it is completely different for him, something he's never experienced before, 0:37:30.546 --> 0:37:33.226 and I think that that kind of excites him. Just 0:37:33.346 --> 0:37:38.586 a totally new area, totally new experience. I think that, 0:37:38.826 --> 0:37:40.826 you know, and it's a challenge for any quarterback to 0:37:40.866 --> 0:37:43.866 come into a brand new place because there is so 0:37:43.946 --> 0:37:46.986 much stimuli around you. And I think he's done a 0:37:47.026 --> 0:37:50.066 great job being able to kind of hyper focus and 0:37:50.186 --> 0:37:52.946 just set on those players when he has those opportunities 0:37:52.986 --> 0:37:55.626 and talk with a guy like Garrett Wilson, be around 0:37:55.666 --> 0:37:58.346 a guy like Alan Lizard who's already been around, and 0:37:58.386 --> 0:38:00.666 watching those two guys interact and interact with the group, 0:38:00.706 --> 0:38:03.066 with Randall Cobb, you know, all these guys. I mean, 0:38:03.306 --> 0:38:04.986 it's just fun to see the interaction. I think he 0:38:05.066 --> 0:38:07.266 enjoys that. He enjoys the team, and that's why Aaron's 0:38:07.266 --> 0:38:09.746 still playing. He plays because of the locker room, because 0:38:09.746 --> 0:38:11.226 the guys that are in there. I mean, that's why 0:38:11.266 --> 0:38:13.146 he loves the game. That's why any guy can want 0:38:13.186 --> 0:38:15.386 to play as long as he can for the team. 0:38:15.586 --> 0:38:17.946 Yourself, I mean, these last twelve months have been such 0:38:17.946 --> 0:38:21.466 a whirlwind. I can only imagine what you've been through, 0:38:21.546 --> 0:38:24.826 not just just your family and we're going, but also 0:38:24.866 --> 0:38:28.266 mental health wise, and your own ambition and your own, 0:38:28.586 --> 0:38:30.466 like you know, self worth and all this stuff when 0:38:30.466 --> 0:38:33.626 it's tied to the coaching profession. What have you learned 0:38:33.666 --> 0:38:35.906 over the last twelve months after the Denver experience then 0:38:35.906 --> 0:38:37.466 now landing back on your feet with the Jets. 0:38:37.506 --> 0:38:38.946 But just what would you say? 0:38:39.026 --> 0:38:40.906 Almost in the rear view, I know it's probably you're 0:38:40.946 --> 0:38:42.306 still going through it every day of just what the 0:38:42.306 --> 0:38:43.106 hell just happened? 0:38:43.106 --> 0:38:45.706 But I would ask you, like, what is your big takeaway? 0:38:45.746 --> 0:38:47.586 Because you talk about the highs and lows of coaching, 0:38:47.946 --> 0:38:49.826 I would assume that's viewed as a low, But in 0:38:49.866 --> 0:38:51.386 the long term, it's going to be a high for 0:38:51.466 --> 0:38:52.346 what you got out of it. 0:38:53.426 --> 0:38:55.586 In the end, you got to win. I mean, that's 0:38:55.586 --> 0:38:57.346 what it's all about, whether you're a coach, whether you're 0:38:57.346 --> 0:39:00.066 a player. You got to win. And we didn't win enough, 0:39:00.306 --> 0:39:02.306 and so I have to look back and I think 0:39:02.306 --> 0:39:04.426 there's so many things that I learned over my time. 0:39:04.466 --> 0:39:07.586 I think it was a great, great experience on all 0:39:07.626 --> 0:39:09.626 the different things. I mean, you never know what it's 0:39:09.626 --> 0:39:12.826 gonna be like until you're in that chair, and it 0:39:12.866 --> 0:39:15.466 was an honor to be in that chair, even though 0:39:15.466 --> 0:39:18.066 it was a limited time, and you could just continually 0:39:18.066 --> 0:39:20.986 take all the things that that you went through and 0:39:21.386 --> 0:39:24.386 the things that you can potentially do better, the things 0:39:24.426 --> 0:39:27.386 that you might not have done well enough. And as 0:39:27.426 --> 0:39:29.946 a coach, we question everything every second. We always want 0:39:29.986 --> 0:39:31.946 to try to make ourselves better. And I think there's 0:39:31.946 --> 0:39:33.386 a lot of things I learned that are going to 0:39:33.426 --> 0:39:36.226 make me better. And I think everything happens for a reason. 0:39:36.866 --> 0:39:38.786 You know, I look at it and say, wow, to 0:39:38.786 --> 0:39:40.386 be able to have an opportunity to be at the 0:39:40.426 --> 0:39:44.346 New York Jets, to be back with Aaron, I think 0:39:44.346 --> 0:39:48.266 that's that's unbelievable. And so I think just everything happens 0:39:48.266 --> 0:39:50.786 for a reason, and this happened for this reason. And 0:39:51.266 --> 0:39:53.506 here we are, and I mean, I'm so excited for 0:39:53.546 --> 0:39:55.546 this season, and my family is excited to get to 0:39:55.586 --> 0:39:58.226 New Jersey and you know, get going there. 0:39:58.706 --> 0:40:02.186 I said the word invigorated for Aaron, but you sound invigorated. 0:40:02.226 --> 0:40:04.386 You sound like you've got this like pep in your step? 0:40:04.786 --> 0:40:06.906 Is there a chip on your shoulder? Does that not 0:40:06.986 --> 0:40:09.186 exist when you're a coach, because then you start coaching 0:40:09.426 --> 0:40:11.226 beyond what you want to do, you know, and then 0:40:11.266 --> 0:40:12.906 you start trying to do extra like but do you 0:40:12.946 --> 0:40:14.866 feel like you want to maybe show some folks a 0:40:14.866 --> 0:40:17.106 thing or two might have said, Hey, this, this is 0:40:17.186 --> 0:40:18.346 what I can do. 0:40:18.426 --> 0:40:22.186 Also, I mean, in the end, I mean a coach, 0:40:22.586 --> 0:40:24.586 you know, we're teachers. You know, there's so many things 0:40:24.626 --> 0:40:27.466 that we can't control. You know, everybody looks at a 0:40:27.506 --> 0:40:31.146 coach and says, oh, this or that or this, and 0:40:31.186 --> 0:40:33.146 that's part of the profession, that's what we all signed 0:40:33.226 --> 0:40:35.266 up for. But in the end, my job is to 0:40:35.386 --> 0:40:37.666 put the guys in the best position possible and they 0:40:37.706 --> 0:40:39.466 have to go out there and execute. I mean, it's 0:40:39.466 --> 0:40:41.106 it's that simple. I mean, I can't catch it, I 0:40:41.146 --> 0:40:43.906 can't throw it, I can't tackle or block or anything 0:40:43.946 --> 0:40:46.346 like that. I wish I could, but it wouldn't be pretty. 0:40:47.586 --> 0:40:49.266 So I think for me, you know, you have to 0:40:49.266 --> 0:40:52.666 continually learn and hold back those things that you know, 0:40:52.706 --> 0:40:54.586 in the end you just can't control. And I think 0:40:54.626 --> 0:40:56.986 that when you kind of let that go and understand 0:40:57.026 --> 0:40:58.106 that there are going to be some things that are 0:40:58.106 --> 0:41:01.746 going to happen that you never expected. There're gonna be 0:41:01.786 --> 0:41:03.586 some things that you know, you can call perfect play 0:41:03.586 --> 0:41:06.626 in a perfect situation, but you know, as coaches, we're 0:41:06.626 --> 0:41:08.906 not the ones executing it. And so I think it's 0:41:08.946 --> 0:41:11.586 not about me. It isn't. The only thing I would 0:41:11.626 --> 0:41:13.466 say that it is about me is I just want 0:41:13.466 --> 0:41:15.866 to be the best version of myself. I remember Matt 0:41:15.946 --> 0:41:18.626 used to always say that that's that's the whole mindset 0:41:18.826 --> 0:41:20.746 is walking in that building, trying to do whatever you 0:41:20.786 --> 0:41:23.186 can to be the best version of yourself. Because if 0:41:23.226 --> 0:41:26.186 I can then portray that to those players, then they're 0:41:26.186 --> 0:41:27.986 gonna be able to get out on that field and 0:41:28.186 --> 0:41:29.866 they're going to be able to execute at a high level. 0:41:29.906 --> 0:41:31.346 And that's all that I want. I just want to 0:41:31.346 --> 0:41:33.746 see Aaron play some of the best football he's ever 0:41:33.786 --> 0:41:36.066 played in his career. I think that that was something 0:41:36.106 --> 0:41:38.706 that was so fun to be a part of when 0:41:38.746 --> 0:41:41.746 we were at Green Bay. And I want to see him, 0:41:41.826 --> 0:41:44.066 you know, get to the you know, where he wants 0:41:44.106 --> 0:41:45.706 to be. I want him to accomplish what he wants 0:41:45.746 --> 0:41:49.106 to accomplish. I want to watch Garrett Wilson be great, 0:41:49.146 --> 0:41:52.026 Alaen Lazar, Ronald Cobb. I mean, Bam, like you mentioned 0:41:52.106 --> 0:41:55.626 Michael bresee all those guys, our tight end group, all 0:41:55.666 --> 0:41:57.946 those guys, I want them to I just want them 0:41:57.986 --> 0:42:00.666 to have fun out there and play football together, and 0:42:00.986 --> 0:42:02.946 I want to watch them interact and all that. That's 0:42:03.026 --> 0:42:05.466 that's the environment that I like to create because I 0:42:05.466 --> 0:42:08.026 can control that. I can make sure that they're going 0:42:08.066 --> 0:42:10.106 out there and they're working together, kind of like you 0:42:10.146 --> 0:42:13.706 look back at that Jacksonville days, I mean that twenty seventeen. 0:42:14.106 --> 0:42:15.586 I think that was some of the thing that I 0:42:15.626 --> 0:42:18.786 was most proud of, is watching those guys go out 0:42:18.826 --> 0:42:21.546 there and just play ball together. I mean, and I 0:42:21.586 --> 0:42:23.786 know they're not a lot of household names, but the 0:42:23.786 --> 0:42:26.106 one thing I know is that those guys played together. 0:42:26.386 --> 0:42:28.346 And if you get that, you're going to have an 0:42:28.346 --> 0:42:31.186 opportunity to be successful. And that's all I want to 0:42:31.186 --> 0:42:33.106 see happens, because it's not about me. There's only so 0:42:33.146 --> 0:42:35.666 many things a coach can control, regardless to what anybody 0:42:35.706 --> 0:42:36.266 wants to admit. 0:42:36.746 --> 0:42:39.466 You know, you're in New Jersey now, and we went 0:42:39.546 --> 0:42:42.266 to the Nick game and it was like here's New 0:42:42.346 --> 0:42:45.786 York City all and it's grander and it's gloria what 0:42:45.826 --> 0:42:49.546 it could be, right, Like celebrities everywhere, the fans so hardcore, 0:42:50.066 --> 0:42:52.666 the garden rocking, and you just get a taste of it, 0:42:52.786 --> 0:42:57.946 like if the Jets win, how damn cool this can be? 0:42:58.466 --> 0:43:01.626 Have you had any really cool interactions with fans or 0:43:02.426 --> 0:43:04.866 anything even being in Jersey and I know you're probably 0:43:04.866 --> 0:43:07.586 living at the facility, but like taste of it, of 0:43:07.746 --> 0:43:09.786 just what this can be if the Jets have success. 0:43:10.266 --> 0:43:11.866 I mean, I would say going to that Nick game 0:43:12.146 --> 0:43:16.186 was pretty awesome. I mean New York City is I mean, it's, 0:43:16.706 --> 0:43:19.106 I agree, the greatest city in the world. I mean 0:43:19.146 --> 0:43:22.106 we're talking. I mean it's a place that my wife 0:43:22.106 --> 0:43:24.546 and I have gone to visit for years. You know, 0:43:24.586 --> 0:43:26.466 we love it. I mean lucky to be. I mean 0:43:26.506 --> 0:43:29.346 I had all my kids in New York, Syracuse and Buffalo, 0:43:29.586 --> 0:43:33.226 and so I mean we love New York. And I'll 0:43:33.226 --> 0:43:36.186 tell you New Jersey is unbelievably beautiful. I had no 0:43:36.306 --> 0:43:37.946 clue New Jersey was no. 0:43:37.986 --> 0:43:40.306 You probably just think of the opening to Sopranos off 0:43:40.346 --> 0:43:42.026 the Highway. Then you're like, wait a second, there's actually 0:43:42.186 --> 0:43:45.346 green and there's some lovely value it's awesome. 0:43:45.626 --> 0:43:47.906 Hey, there's a reason why they call it the Garden State. 0:43:48.106 --> 0:43:51.346 And I mean, I just think, I mean, it's it's 0:43:51.386 --> 0:43:53.306 been such a great experience there. I haven't had a 0:43:53.306 --> 0:43:55.586 lot of interaction with people. I've been, like you said, 0:43:55.626 --> 0:43:58.026 keeping my head down, just going to and from the 0:43:58.026 --> 0:44:01.906 house and then just trying to grind and work. But 0:44:01.946 --> 0:44:03.666 I mean, being in that Nick game, just being able 0:44:03.666 --> 0:44:05.026 to hop on the train and be able to go 0:44:05.026 --> 0:44:08.666 into the city is so so great. I'm going to 0:44:08.746 --> 0:44:12.746 Broadway and I'm going to amazing restaurants. Is something that 0:44:12.786 --> 0:44:16.226 I'm just lucky to be part of. And but it's 0:44:16.266 --> 0:44:17.986 it's gonna be fun. I mean every place you go, 0:44:18.186 --> 0:44:20.026 I mean you always hear people say that, you know, 0:44:20.906 --> 0:44:22.786 if you win, you know, oh my god, it's going 0:44:22.866 --> 0:44:25.866 to be amazing and this and that. There's a lot 0:44:25.866 --> 0:44:27.266 of highs on a lot of lows. You're going to 0:44:27.346 --> 0:44:29.506 go through adversity no matter what. And so I think 0:44:29.546 --> 0:44:31.106 as a coach, you just got to kind of focus 0:44:31.146 --> 0:44:33.626 in on what your role is and get those guys 0:44:33.666 --> 0:44:37.386 in good positions. And you know, I'm excited to get 0:44:37.426 --> 0:44:38.026 the Jets going. 0:44:38.306 --> 0:44:39.066 All right, We're gonna do a. 0:44:39.026 --> 0:44:40.506 Really quick rapid fire, because I know you got to 0:44:40.506 --> 0:44:41.706 get out of here, and you're doing us a favor 0:44:41.746 --> 0:44:44.386 on your off week doing this fire really rapid fire. 0:44:44.386 --> 0:44:47.906 These are fun questions and a little introspective and then 0:44:48.106 --> 0:44:48.866 we'll get out of here. 0:44:49.586 --> 0:44:49.866 First. 0:44:49.866 --> 0:44:54.106 One, I assume your father is your coaching mentor and 0:44:54.146 --> 0:44:56.346 a guy you look towards, but outside of your father, 0:44:57.026 --> 0:44:59.826 who is another person that you call for advice or 0:44:59.866 --> 0:45:02.106 someone that if you're in a buying coaching wise you 0:45:02.186 --> 0:45:03.346 like to bounce some thoughts off of. 0:45:04.546 --> 0:45:08.306 I would say there's two. Alex van Pelt, who's the 0:45:08.346 --> 0:45:12.746 officer cordinerat at the Cleveland Browns, doing him my whole life. 0:45:13.226 --> 0:45:14.946 He was one of the guys that was at University 0:45:14.986 --> 0:45:17.626 of pitt and then uh and Mount Lafloor, Like Mount 0:45:17.706 --> 0:45:19.506 Lafloor is another guy that I that I talked to 0:45:20.306 --> 0:45:22.946 a bunch, and then Todd Downing would have been one, 0:45:22.946 --> 0:45:25.666 but he's on the staff, so so that doesn't really count. 0:45:26.386 --> 0:45:28.786 But uh, but no, definitely Alex. Alex is somebody that 0:45:28.786 --> 0:45:29.666 that means the world to me. 0:45:30.186 --> 0:45:32.826 Kyle Orton, you guys brought him out of retirement off 0:45:32.866 --> 0:45:35.226 the chair in his house and he went and won 0:45:35.266 --> 0:45:35.986 a bunch of games. 0:45:35.786 --> 0:45:36.586 For the Buffalo Bills. 0:45:36.586 --> 0:45:39.266 For you guys, take us through that time and were 0:45:39.306 --> 0:45:41.226 you one of the guys trying to convince Orton to 0:45:41.226 --> 0:45:43.266 come out of retirement. I love that time in Buffalo 0:45:43.266 --> 0:45:44.666 Bill's football pre Josh Allen. 0:45:45.146 --> 0:45:46.946 That was a great experience. I mean, Kyle is an 0:45:47.026 --> 0:45:50.266 awesome guy, and he definitely came right off the couch, 0:45:50.546 --> 0:45:54.026 and I mean just having him out there and uh 0:45:54.066 --> 0:45:57.186 and watching him spend the rock. I mean, he's got 0:45:57.186 --> 0:45:59.906 a he's got a canon and uh, it was pretty 0:45:59.906 --> 0:46:02.026 fun during that whole time. I remember we scored a 0:46:02.066 --> 0:46:05.226 touchdown to Lee Smith. Actually I think it was verse 0:46:05.306 --> 0:46:07.146 the Jets. I think it was. It was during that 0:46:07.226 --> 0:46:09.986 one that was like the first goal line posse he 0:46:10.026 --> 0:46:12.666 had ever scored a touchdown on. And just being part 0:46:12.666 --> 0:46:14.706 of that, he had his longest run he scrambled for 0:46:14.786 --> 0:46:17.226 like ten yards and he was all fired up for that. 0:46:17.306 --> 0:46:19.746 I remember. I remember when when he ended up starting 0:46:19.786 --> 0:46:22.306 to play, he was like, hey, listen, man, we got 0:46:22.306 --> 0:46:23.906 to get over five hundred because he wanted this record 0:46:23.946 --> 0:46:25.346 to be over five hundred. I was like, I'm gonna 0:46:25.346 --> 0:46:27.346 do everything to help you, man. I mean, but that 0:46:27.386 --> 0:46:29.066 was such a great experience because you know, being with 0:46:29.146 --> 0:46:32.786 a with again with an older guy, because you know, 0:46:33.026 --> 0:46:35.146 I'd just been working with EJ and Jeff and they 0:46:35.146 --> 0:46:39.066 were rookies and Dad Lewis and those guys worked so 0:46:39.186 --> 0:46:42.506 hard and were great. But playing at a young age 0:46:42.506 --> 0:46:44.346 in this game is very, very difficult. I don't think 0:46:44.346 --> 0:46:47.066 people understand the thing that how rigorous it is for 0:46:47.186 --> 0:46:49.586 these quarterbacks and to be able to get Kyle in there, 0:46:49.586 --> 0:46:51.586 who knew so much. I mean, I remember the first game. 0:46:52.026 --> 0:46:55.106 We're playing the Detroit Lions at the Lions. Because that 0:46:55.146 --> 0:46:56.746 year was a weird year. We ended up playing at 0:46:56.746 --> 0:46:59.186 Detroit twice. We had a blizzard and the game got canceled, 0:46:59.226 --> 0:47:01.026 moved to Monday, and we actually played the Jets again 0:47:01.106 --> 0:47:05.306 in Detroit. But that first game versus the Lions, I 0:47:05.306 --> 0:47:07.786 remember Kyle because I had never caught plays for me 0:47:07.826 --> 0:47:10.346 and only been there for about four weeks. And he 0:47:10.386 --> 0:47:13.146 throws a pick six and I want to say it 0:47:13.186 --> 0:47:16.546 was like the second or third series, and he I remember, 0:47:16.546 --> 0:47:18.866 he comes up on the sideline. He's like, oh, that 0:47:19.026 --> 0:47:22.586 guy went out of the way, okay, And I'm like, 0:47:23.026 --> 0:47:25.546 all right, great. You know, because as a code you 0:47:25.546 --> 0:47:28.066 don't know how, you know, should I get mad? And uh? 0:47:28.106 --> 0:47:29.826 And he ended up winning in a two minute drive 0:47:29.946 --> 0:47:33.386 through a big play to Sammy Watkins on the left side, 0:47:33.386 --> 0:47:34.706 and we ended up kicking a field goal to win 0:47:34.786 --> 0:47:36.146 the game. I mean, it was it was really cool. 0:47:36.186 --> 0:47:38.226 It was a great experience working with Kyle. He he 0:47:38.386 --> 0:47:40.626 was awesome. I can't say enough good things about him. 0:47:40.946 --> 0:47:45.466 I love that your favorite Aaron Rodgers in game pass. 0:47:45.786 --> 0:47:48.186 You probably could chart every pass he threw as a packer, 0:47:48.226 --> 0:47:49.666 but you go back and the one that still gives 0:47:49.666 --> 0:47:50.386 you goose bumps. 0:47:50.946 --> 0:47:54.186 Oh gosh, There's been a lot of really really cool throws. 0:47:54.626 --> 0:47:55.186 Give me one. 0:47:56.746 --> 0:48:00.466 You know. It's I would say, the very first game 0:48:00.546 --> 0:48:02.906 we have played. So you always hear those stories about 0:48:03.026 --> 0:48:08.506 Aaron seeing people sub or jump the ball, and I 0:48:08.866 --> 0:48:11.226 remember it's our first game. We're playing Thursday night. It 0:48:11.306 --> 0:48:15.826 was the opening game versus the Chicago Bears, and he 0:48:17.066 --> 0:48:18.586 were getting down in the red zone and you know, 0:48:18.666 --> 0:48:20.746 here we are as coaches. We got all our plans 0:48:20.786 --> 0:48:22.906 and the things that we want to we want to 0:48:22.946 --> 0:48:26.226 get done, and I'll be damned, we're about to try 0:48:26.266 --> 0:48:29.186 to call play and he jumps the ball and snaps 0:48:29.226 --> 0:48:31.666 it and We're like, what the what's going on? And 0:48:31.746 --> 0:48:35.186 he runs around and I see the flag throw and 0:48:35.226 --> 0:48:37.066 I'm like, oh, this is great. And then he launches 0:48:37.106 --> 0:48:39.186 it up and Jimmy Graham goes up and catches it, 0:48:39.426 --> 0:48:43.346 catches the first touchdown that twenty nineteen season, and it 0:48:43.466 --> 0:48:45.146 was it was an incredible it was. It was a 0:48:45.186 --> 0:48:47.146 great throw. But I think for me that that was 0:48:47.186 --> 0:48:49.186 the first time I saw him being able to attack 0:48:49.226 --> 0:48:50.946 the defense from that standpoint and be able to jump 0:48:50.946 --> 0:48:52.026 the ball in score touch and that was the only 0:48:52.106 --> 0:48:53.266 touchdown we scored that whole game. 0:48:53.506 --> 0:48:55.746 Yeah, I remember smash Amos had a couple of picks 0:48:55.786 --> 0:48:57.186 in that game, right, yeah. 0:48:57.026 --> 0:48:58.906 He did, and that that's what ended up stealing it 0:48:58.946 --> 0:49:00.786 for us. And I just remember looking like, gosh, why 0:49:00.786 --> 0:49:02.746 don't we just do that every time, just you know, 0:49:02.866 --> 0:49:04.866 jump the ball, run around at score touch And I 0:49:04.946 --> 0:49:06.946 was like, this, that's great. But that that was that 0:49:07.066 --> 0:49:07.666 was a really. 0:49:07.706 --> 0:49:09.546 Because it was the cerebral part of it where it's like, 0:49:09.586 --> 0:49:10.546 wait's what I'm saying. 0:49:10.786 --> 0:49:12.586 Yeah, yeah, I mean here we are trying to get 0:49:12.666 --> 0:49:15.866 our best play in the red zone aka gold zone 0:49:15.906 --> 0:49:18.866 for us, and we uh and he ends up jumping 0:49:18.866 --> 0:49:22.266 the ball in scorn of a touchdown anyways, and we're like, okay, yeah, 0:49:22.346 --> 0:49:23.866 this is this is pretty cool. I didn't know we 0:49:23.946 --> 0:49:25.826 were going to get this, and so I think that 0:49:26.026 --> 0:49:28.986 was a really cool one. But probably the craziest throw 0:49:29.026 --> 0:49:31.386 I ever saw him making. I still haven't decided whether 0:49:31.466 --> 0:49:33.426 or not he was thrown it out of bounds or 0:49:33.506 --> 0:49:35.746 whether he was just throwing it up. Was that same 0:49:35.866 --> 0:49:40.346 year Kansas City Chiefs. It was funny because night in 0:49:40.386 --> 0:49:42.906 the back end zone of Jamal Williams, I mean, and 0:49:42.986 --> 0:49:44.666 it's funny because there was history to that one. Is 0:49:44.706 --> 0:49:48.306 that Matt and I were arguing when we were game 0:49:48.386 --> 0:49:51.306 planning on what personnel grouping to use, and Matt wanted 0:49:51.346 --> 0:49:53.386 to use a crazy one, and so we put all 0:49:53.426 --> 0:49:54.986 these guys out there and he's like, Ah, this is 0:49:55.066 --> 0:49:57.466 gonna work. And I mean literally, he snaps the ball 0:49:57.506 --> 0:49:59.826 and everybody's coming after him and he's running around game 0:49:59.826 --> 0:50:01.466 and then launches it up and I mean it's a 0:50:01.466 --> 0:50:03.466 perfectly thrown ball to Jamal in the back of the 0:50:03.586 --> 0:50:06.826 back pylon to the right in uh in their ahead 0:50:06.906 --> 0:50:09.866 and Matt's like I told you. Oh, He's like, I 0:50:09.946 --> 0:50:13.026 told you it would work, and I'm like I'm like, 0:50:13.106 --> 0:50:13.706 are you kidding me? 0:50:13.786 --> 0:50:15.426 He led you out? 0:50:15.626 --> 0:50:17.986 Yeah, I mean I was like, come on, man. So 0:50:18.106 --> 0:50:19.866 those are the kind of the conversations that we always 0:50:19.906 --> 0:50:22.026 have during the games and stuff. But that was a 0:50:22.106 --> 0:50:24.586 pretty unbelievable throw. And he had another one that same 0:50:24.706 --> 0:50:27.786 game when he threw to Jake Kumero across the field. 0:50:27.866 --> 0:50:29.786 I mean he scrambles to the right and just dives 0:50:29.826 --> 0:50:32.066 it to him. Jake lays out and gets it. I mean, 0:50:32.466 --> 0:50:34.186 there's so many. I mean, that's the fun thing about Aaron. 0:50:34.226 --> 0:50:36.906 I mean, it might not be a perfect play that, 0:50:37.186 --> 0:50:39.506 but he's going to find a way to make it work. 0:50:40.226 --> 0:50:42.866 The last one, you're going to be in New York 0:50:42.986 --> 0:50:44.786 quite a bit. I guess you're gonna have the opportunity 0:50:44.786 --> 0:50:48.266 to get to New York. The one person or I 0:50:48.306 --> 0:50:51.346 would say celebrity, non football person. It could be and 0:50:51.546 --> 0:50:53.466 it could be anyone. It could be government, can be anything. 0:50:53.826 --> 0:50:56.306 The one person you would love to get dinner with 0:50:56.506 --> 0:50:59.946 in New York City is who I. 0:50:59.986 --> 0:51:03.346 Mean, if it's a jet fan, the one person that 0:51:03.466 --> 0:51:07.786 all my kids and for me, that like we that 0:51:07.946 --> 0:51:11.906 they were going crazy about. And I heard Adam Sandler 0:51:12.386 --> 0:51:14.386 is a is a. 0:51:14.426 --> 0:51:17.186 Jeff fan the Sandman with you, we have to make 0:51:17.226 --> 0:51:17.706 this happen. 0:51:17.906 --> 0:51:19.506 I mean I would have said Paul Rudd because I 0:51:19.546 --> 0:51:21.186 know you and you and Paul are close and you know, 0:51:21.306 --> 0:51:23.626 and man's my favorite guy. He's a Chiefs fan, bro, 0:51:24.306 --> 0:51:26.626 but he's a Chiefs fan. He's a chief fan. We 0:51:26.626 --> 0:51:29.146 went to rival high school. So it's like, but I 0:51:29.226 --> 0:51:31.746 mean Adam Sandler. I mean, come on, man, I mean 0:51:32.226 --> 0:51:34.986 Adam Sandler for me growing up. I mean when when 0:51:35.066 --> 0:51:36.946 he was really starting. I mean just his stand up 0:51:37.466 --> 0:51:40.426 you know, the goat that he was and is the 0:51:40.546 --> 0:51:43.506 album I mean the albums. I mean people don't even 0:51:43.506 --> 0:51:43.826 know about that. 0:51:44.626 --> 0:51:47.226 I don't even know about told booth will oh gosh. 0:51:47.146 --> 0:51:50.026 That that his the car song and you know, I 0:51:50.106 --> 0:51:55.466 mean he's I'm trying not to swear because the car song, yeah, 0:51:55.666 --> 0:51:57.946 that piece of yeah, that piece of car song. And 0:51:59.066 --> 0:52:01.346 when he's talking about the goat and he's so may 0:52:01.426 --> 0:52:05.066 you button? And then I mean just all of his movies, 0:52:05.226 --> 0:52:08.226 I mean are I mean that was during COVID we 0:52:08.346 --> 0:52:09.906 had an Adam Sandler like. 0:52:10.226 --> 0:52:12.026 Just the family that was all you guys did to 0:52:12.106 --> 0:52:14.706 go deep on Sandler and did the kids appreciate the 0:52:14.826 --> 0:52:17.746 early Billy Madison, Happy Gilmore or are they more than 0:52:17.786 --> 0:52:18.706 new Netflix stuff? 0:52:19.026 --> 0:52:21.546 No, they love them all. I mean the one he 0:52:21.626 --> 0:52:23.666 did with Jennifer Aniston. They love them all. You know that, 0:52:23.746 --> 0:52:26.226 they understand that. But it's funny going back to I mean, 0:52:26.346 --> 0:52:28.506 just showing them Happy Gilmore for the first time, Billy 0:52:28.546 --> 0:52:30.866 Madison for the first time, and my kids are like, 0:52:30.906 --> 0:52:31.826 what's up with the penguin? 0:52:31.906 --> 0:52:34.306 I don't get the I don't either, Like I don't 0:52:34.306 --> 0:52:34.746 get it either. 0:52:35.226 --> 0:52:38.066 That's the point, you know, I mean, but I mean 0:52:38.146 --> 0:52:39.946 going through that. I mean Adam Sandler, I think is 0:52:40.746 --> 0:52:44.466 one of the most legendary comedians ever. So I love 0:52:44.546 --> 0:52:45.106 them all. Right. 0:52:45.306 --> 0:52:48.266 That's this is my goal, you know, forget my own 0:52:48.346 --> 0:52:50.986 career accolades, forget what I want to see happen for 0:52:51.026 --> 0:52:54.106 this podcast A Good Morning Football. My goal is to 0:52:54.226 --> 0:52:57.506 get the Sandman with Nathaniel Hackett at for dinner one 0:52:57.586 --> 0:52:58.186 day in New York. 0:52:58.546 --> 0:53:00.786 We'll make this happen, my friend. It's it's a doable thing. 0:53:00.986 --> 0:53:02.986 There's gotta be a way. And he is a jetsman. 0:53:04.066 --> 0:53:06.146 I've heard the Him and method Man are two guys that, 0:53:06.306 --> 0:53:08.746 like I know, are Jets fans that I like I'm like, 0:53:08.906 --> 0:53:09.706 this is pretty cool. 0:53:09.866 --> 0:53:11.906 Okay, so you want Staten Island and method man and 0:53:11.986 --> 0:53:13.986 I believe I think Sandler's from New Hampshire. 0:53:14.066 --> 0:53:16.906 But his dad was a j that's the story. Yeah, 0:53:17.026 --> 0:53:17.906 dad was a Jets fan. 0:53:18.026 --> 0:53:18.946 Uh. Bro. 0:53:19.066 --> 0:53:21.546 I can't thank you enough. This was on your vacation week. 0:53:21.706 --> 0:53:24.026 I started off the podcast explaining how most people are 0:53:24.106 --> 0:53:27.026 away and you took some time to do this podcast 0:53:27.106 --> 0:53:28.186 with me and I've been wanting to do it for 0:53:28.226 --> 0:53:28.586 a while. 0:53:28.946 --> 0:53:30.066 Nathaniel Hackett, thank you. 0:53:30.146 --> 0:53:30.266 Man. 0:53:30.306 --> 0:53:32.026 You're a great dude and I cannot wait to see 0:53:32.026 --> 0:53:33.866 what you do with this Jets offense and Aaron Rodgers 0:53:33.906 --> 0:53:34.226 this year. 0:53:34.586 --> 0:53:37.106 Appreciate it. Thanks for having me and man, I love you. 0:53:37.186 --> 0:53:39.786 You know that, and hey, let's get it rolling. 0:53:40.346 --> 0:53:44.066 I'm a huge Hacket fan and I always like Aaron 0:53:44.306 --> 0:53:46.986 as we listen to him talk and all stuff, Like 0:53:47.026 --> 0:53:48.746 he was quick and short with the Denver stuff and 0:53:48.746 --> 0:53:50.026 I get it. It's like he's not going to go 0:53:50.106 --> 0:53:52.386 into the what that was and how that went down 0:53:52.426 --> 0:53:54.586 because there's just no reason for him to rehash it. 0:53:54.666 --> 0:53:56.786 But like I root for redemption. I root for a 0:53:56.866 --> 0:53:58.746 guy to get a chance. And he was like, it's 0:53:59.146 --> 0:54:00.746 it's not a chip on the shoulder type thing. 0:54:00.826 --> 0:54:02.106 But I don't know. 0:54:02.306 --> 0:54:05.226 When you hear him talk how passionately he feels about 0:54:05.226 --> 0:54:08.386 his players and the game and coaching, like it's hard 0:54:08.466 --> 0:54:10.426 not to think that a piece of him wants to 0:54:11.466 --> 0:54:12.826 wants to just kick ass this year. 0:54:13.546 --> 0:54:15.946 Yeah, And I mean he had a great a great 0:54:15.946 --> 0:54:18.746 attitude too, with like I'm gonna do everything I can 0:54:18.866 --> 0:54:21.786 to get these guys as ready as possible and then 0:54:22.626 --> 0:54:25.306 watch them like make the plays on the field. 0:54:25.466 --> 0:54:28.266 And uh yeah, I thought he was great. 0:54:28.546 --> 0:54:30.826 You know, when we talked to these coaches, sometimes they 0:54:30.906 --> 0:54:33.426 do give us incredible insights, and Hackett did in a 0:54:33.466 --> 0:54:35.226 lot of ways. But then there's also this part of 0:54:35.266 --> 0:54:36.666 them where it's like, at the end of the day, 0:54:37.666 --> 0:54:39.346 I'm like, talk about an Aaron Rodgers play. He's just 0:54:39.386 --> 0:54:40.826 geeking out on it also like us. 0:54:40.866 --> 0:54:41.426 And I remember that. 0:54:41.426 --> 0:54:43.866 Passed to Jimal Williams that he references in the back 0:54:43.906 --> 0:54:45.826 of the end zone. And it was on a Sunday 0:54:45.906 --> 0:54:47.786 night and it was the Packers versus the Chiefs and 0:54:47.826 --> 0:54:49.946 Mahomes was out, so Matt Moore was in and it 0:54:50.026 --> 0:54:51.506 was a good game and went back and forth. And 0:54:51.586 --> 0:54:53.506 then this past happens, and like. 0:54:53.786 --> 0:54:54.786 Do you hear Hacket talk about it? 0:54:54.826 --> 0:54:56.786 And it was one of those great stories where Lafloor 0:54:56.906 --> 0:54:59.866 is like, see, I told you I called it right mother. 0:54:59.946 --> 0:55:03.746 Ever, no you didn't. He just nailed you out. It's 0:55:03.826 --> 0:55:04.426 just Rogers. 0:55:05.906 --> 0:55:08.066 Gosh, it's got to be cool to coach a player 0:55:08.226 --> 0:55:10.706 with those talents. But also what he's stressed a lot 0:55:10.786 --> 0:55:13.146 in that interview, having it all upstairs too. 0:55:13.826 --> 0:55:17.866 Yeah, Yeah, it's amazing hearing about the cerebral parts of 0:55:18.066 --> 0:55:23.306 Rogers's game, and that's something that ideally translates as he 0:55:23.386 --> 0:55:23.866 gets older. 0:55:23.906 --> 0:55:24.026 Too. 0:55:24.106 --> 0:55:26.466 It's not like he's gonna lose that. It's not like it's, 0:55:26.626 --> 0:55:29.306 you know, an arm strength thing or like his running ability. 0:55:30.386 --> 0:55:33.346 So yeah, got me, got me nervous about the Jets 0:55:33.346 --> 0:55:33.986 season some more. 0:55:34.306 --> 0:55:36.386 Yeah, if you're a Bills fan in Dolphins fans and 0:55:36.426 --> 0:55:38.546 Patriots fans, you hear that and you're like, Eh, that's tough. 0:55:39.186 --> 0:55:42.506 All right, We're gonna wrap right here. Aaron, You're awesome, 0:55:42.546 --> 0:55:44.266 Thanks for doing this. I know everyone's kind. 0:55:44.146 --> 0:55:46.946 Of checked out in football world, but I thought Hackett 0:55:46.986 --> 0:55:49.226 was great. We're gonna have another one next week, hopefully 0:55:49.266 --> 0:55:50.946 the one next the week after that. July fourth, like, 0:55:51.746 --> 0:55:53.826 guys are around now. Hackett was filming this from like 0:55:53.866 --> 0:55:56.946 a farmhouse. They're around, They're not they're not locked into 0:55:56.986 --> 0:55:59.386 the facility. I mean, that was the saddest part. I'm like, so, 0:55:59.466 --> 0:56:00.746 what do you think of New Jersey And he's like, well, 0:56:00.746 --> 0:56:03.626 I haven't really gotten out much. I'm like, dude, I'm 0:56:03.706 --> 0:56:07.346 like it out, like, oh, he's gonna enjoy it. But Aaron, 0:56:07.426 --> 0:56:11.146 thank you, Jason English from iHeart, thank you, Grace Fuse, 0:56:11.546 --> 0:56:13.346 who's wonderful with the editing on this stuff. And then 0:56:13.346 --> 0:56:15.786 the NFL Network folks, who gosh, guys, this went on 0:56:15.866 --> 0:56:18.826 YouTube last week, the Quasy one and it went bananas. 0:56:19.106 --> 0:56:20.906 So it's gonna be on YouTube. We're hoping that we 0:56:20.946 --> 0:56:22.746 can do that as often as possible. There's videos. 0:56:22.786 --> 0:56:25.746 So that's Jason Kleinman, that's Matt Schneider, that's Meredith Batton, 0:56:25.826 --> 0:56:31.346 that's David Juranka. Find folks over there at the NFL Network, guys, 0:56:31.666 --> 0:56:33.546 it's the season with Peter Schreger and some of our 0:56:33.586 --> 0:56:35.226 best stuff's gonna be in the off season because these 0:56:35.266 --> 0:56:37.586 coaches and gms are down to talk and go long 0:56:37.666 --> 0:56:39.026 and they don't have to be out on the field 0:56:39.106 --> 0:56:41.546 and coach in five minutes. So I hope you enjoyed 0:56:41.546 --> 0:56:43.266 this one with Nathaniel Hackett and Jets fans. 0:56:43.306 --> 0:56:45.466 I think you guys got a good one. Till next week, 0:56:45.626 --> 0:56:46.386 Thanks for listening. 0:57:04.466 --> 0:57:07.106 The season with Peter Schrager is for production of the 0:57:07.306 --> 0:57:11.266 NFL and partnership with iHeartRadio. 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