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Speaker 1: The Season with Peter Schreeger is a production of the

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Speaker 1: NFL in partnership with iHeartRadio. What's Up, everybody, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Season with Peter Schreger. We are officially in the

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Speaker 1: NFL off season as we record this podcast. I am

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Speaker 1: outside in a rental house on a porch recording this podcast,

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Speaker 1: which is beautiful considering the modern technologies that we have. Aaron,

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Speaker 1: you seem to be remote as well. My producer, Aaron

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Speaker 1: Wang Kaufman erin, where are you? Are you in Brooklyn?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I actually just got back to Brooklyn late this weekend.

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Speaker 3: Where were you pal was in Mexico for a wedding.

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Speaker 2: Okay, nice.

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Speaker 1: We've got an amazing show up ahead and we are

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Speaker 1: excited to get started with it real quick.

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Speaker 4: Though.

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Speaker 2: When I say that, everyone promoter away like I mean that.

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Speaker 1: Sean McVay was texting me from New York City, where

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Speaker 1: I'm not right now, and he's like, are you out

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Speaker 1: do you want to get dinner? Said no where He's Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to Europe for the next couple of days

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Speaker 1: with my wife. They're expecting a child.

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Speaker 2: It's a baby moon.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, congratulations, enjoy texted away with a

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Speaker 1: couple GMS to see if they'd come on the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Multiple gms are in Rome right now, Italy.

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Speaker 1: Literally, I think like the OTAs ended and these NFL

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Speaker 2: I'm excited that our guests that we're going to have

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Speaker 2: on today is in Denver, Colorado.

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Speaker 1: He is not in Paris, France, or in uh, you

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Speaker 1: name it, in Europe. But it seems like everyone in

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Speaker 1: the NFL is take the foot off the pedal this week.

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Speaker 1: Even our show Good Morning Football, it's on hiatus. So

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Speaker 1: my focus and my attention actually is geared onto the

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Speaker 1: NBA Draft lottery.

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Speaker 2: And I'll be real quick with it.

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Speaker 1: I think this when Ba Yama and I don't know,

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Speaker 1: am I pronouncing it right? Wemby is what I've been

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Speaker 1: calling him, is a real sensation.

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Speaker 2: I got a chance. It's really cool. NFL network has.

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Speaker 1: Us talking football, football, football, and there used to be

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Speaker 1: an edict like the second you guys start talking about

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Speaker 1: any other sport on air, we lose viewers. It almost

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Speaker 1: as if if we end up talking about Wimbledon, we're

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go put on Wimbledon. Or hey, if we

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Speaker 1: start talking about the NBA playoffs, people are say, well,

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Speaker 2: Sooc, I guess I get that.

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Speaker 1: Wemby broke the mold though, when he had the three

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Speaker 1: up and then dunked it in like one straight motion.

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Speaker 1: I had to come on the show the next day

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Speaker 2: Me saying that.

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Speaker 1: So then the NBA guys got in touch with me

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Speaker 1: all of Wemby's games. Would you want to be a

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Speaker 1: guest announcer on one of his games in like the EuroLeague.

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Speaker 2: Or in Paris or whatever it was.

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Speaker 1: his body type reminds me of Durant, but he also

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Speaker 2: He was like a plastic man, but completely flexible guy.

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Speaker 1: And then I listened to Brian Windhorst on Bill Simmons' podcast,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know. He's going to go first overall

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Speaker 1: They can use another guy that's gonna be, you know,

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Speaker 2: It's going to be a busy time.

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Speaker 1: And just from an NFL standpoint, anytime that I can

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Speaker 1: a tweet to me they said, who does who would

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Speaker 1: The league, it was like, all right, this guy throws

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Speaker 1: right things. Aaron, I am not in New York City

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Speaker 1: I know he's going to San Antonio, which may as

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Speaker 3: There's no mystery there. But it's still we can't get

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Speaker 3: enough of him. He's so exciting. You know the Windhorse

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Speaker 1: But you know, I was watching that game and I'm

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Speaker 1: Like I got into it, and I'm like, you know what,

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Speaker 1: Charles Oakley and Anthony Mason would beat the crap out of.

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Speaker 1: And I actually, you know, everyone thought that like Durant

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Speaker 1: I got a segue for you. We talked about Kevin Durant.

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Speaker 1: It's in Denver. It's the leaders in thought when it

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Speaker 1: comes to psychedelic sciences. I don't want to speak out

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Speaker 1: don't know that field well enough. But over three hundred exhibitors,

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Speaker 1: We haven't recorded it yet. We're gonna get him live

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Speaker 1: in about two minutes. But Nathaniel Hackett has been through

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Speaker 1: comes to being a coach. He also is one of

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Speaker 1: that Rogers just loves being coached by and loves being

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Speaker 1: that and where he is as far as this post

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Speaker 1: The fifteen game season and then to be let go

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Speaker 1: something that sits with you. And now he's a chance

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Speaker 2: So excited for our guests today.

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Speaker 1: I've been pals with him for a while and I

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Speaker 1: finally taking a little break. It has been I would say,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think with the universal thing on you

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Speaker 1: and the history of the sport. What is your reaction

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Speaker 1: the delta between what you've seen as a football coach

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Speaker 1: to then getting to know Aaron Rodgers and seeing the

435
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Speaker 1: things he does day to day.

436
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you mentioned all those qbs and you know,

437
00:20:23,626 --> 00:20:25,706
Speaker 4: I've been lucky to work with a lot of different guys,

438
00:20:25,906 --> 00:20:29,386
Speaker 4: and every quarterback in this league is so uniquely different.

439
00:20:30,586 --> 00:20:32,866
Speaker 4: I mean, every guy kind of ticks a little bit different.

440
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Speaker 4: They all have different ways that they learned, different ways

441
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Speaker 4: that they comprehend things. And having an opportunity to go

442
00:20:39,346 --> 00:20:42,146
Speaker 4: to Green Bay another amazing franchise. To be able to

443
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Speaker 4: go in there and work with a guy like Aaron,

444
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Speaker 4: I think the thing that appealed to me was his

445
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Speaker 4: foundation of kind of what I had learned in my

446
00:20:52,146 --> 00:20:56,226
Speaker 4: early early days with my father was something that we

447
00:20:56,226 --> 00:20:59,466
Speaker 4: were able to communicate really well, the true West Coast

448
00:20:59,466 --> 00:21:02,426
Speaker 4: Old School offense, because you know, Aaron was originally trained

449
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Speaker 4: by Mike McCarthy, who, Mike McCarthy had been with my father, heck,

450
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Speaker 4: for I mean nine years. I mean yeah, I mean

451
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Speaker 4: I had known Mike since I was nine years old.

452
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Speaker 4: He worked through the ranks at the Pitt Panthers and

453
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Speaker 4: then went to the KNCG. He was there with Joe

454
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Speaker 4: Montana and all those guys. So I think that to

455
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Speaker 4: have an opportunity to work with Aaron, and even more

456
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Speaker 4: with Matt LeFlore, I meant Matt and I had known

457
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Speaker 4: each other a long time. You know, obviously it's an

458
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Speaker 4: incredible offense that they have created over time. And to

459
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Speaker 4: be able to learn that offense, to be able to

460
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Speaker 4: work with a guy like Aaron who was trained from

461
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Speaker 4: day one, you know, like the Joe Montanas had in

462
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Speaker 4: the early days. It was just a really cool experience

463
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Speaker 4: to be there and kind of correlate those two offenses

464
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Speaker 4: and be with the guy. Again. When we talk about Aaron,

465
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Speaker 4: I mean Aaron's uniqueness is how he sees the game.

466
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Speaker 4: I mean, yes, he can throw the forward pass very

467
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Speaker 4: very efficiently. I mean he can put that ball anywhere

468
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Speaker 4: he wants. I mean, heck, he practically invented his own

469
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Speaker 4: gun footwork as we like to call it. And I

470
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Speaker 4: mean watching him throw the ball is incredible. I mean

471
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Speaker 4: in practice, you're wowed all the time. But I think

472
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Speaker 4: the thing for me was how he sees the game.

473
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Speaker 4: I mean, how he's out there and operating, and I

474
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Speaker 4: mean truly he's out there having fun with the guys

475
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Speaker 4: playing ball and listening to so many different things and

476
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Speaker 4: messing with the opposing defense and the opposing defensive coordinators,

477
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Speaker 4: and how he sees coverages, how we see I mean

478
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Speaker 4: it's it's crazy, like I don't think he I mean,

479
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Speaker 4: I know everybody knows that he's really smart, and you know,

480
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Speaker 4: he's a really good thrower of the football, but I

481
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Speaker 4: mean just his knowledge and understanding of defenses and the

482
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Speaker 4: game is unbelievable. I think that's what always sets those

483
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Speaker 4: guys so far apart. And when you look at some

484
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Speaker 4: of the greats, I mean just talking with some of

485
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Speaker 4: them throughout my time, I mean their true understanding of

486
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Speaker 4: the game of football and how it fits. And I

487
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Speaker 4: mean it's like another coach out there. I mean, that's

488
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Speaker 4: all we study, and I think those guys do that.

489
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Speaker 1: Also, La Floor told a great story to me when

490
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Speaker 1: I did my podcast with Sean McVay.

491
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Speaker 2: We did Flying Coach.

492
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Speaker 1: Ll Floor tell the story of his first year with him,

493
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Speaker 1: and there's about four seconds on the play clock and

494
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Speaker 1: Lafleur's look at the play clock, leaning the play clock,

495
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Speaker 1: and it's his first year and he calls the time

496
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Speaker 1: out and Rogers comes and just tears into it, says,

497
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Speaker 1: don't you ever I had a da da da da

498
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Speaker 1: da da da And before it's like I didn't know it.

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Speaker 2: He goes, don't you ever ever do that? Because I'm

500
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Speaker 2: doing it on purpose.

501
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring it down with the shot clock with

502
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Speaker 1: one second because I know there's a man coming in

503
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Speaker 1: motion and I know we have it, but I don't

504
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Speaker 1: want to give it away. And I'm like, it's the

505
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Speaker 1: stuff like that, Like when was the first time you,

506
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Speaker 1: as the OC working with him, saw something in Rogers

507
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Speaker 1: where he did something and you were just holy, I've

508
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Speaker 1: never seen anything like that before.

509
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Speaker 4: There was a time in practice we had run a

510
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Speaker 4: play that had my dad always taught me these plays.

511
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Speaker 4: He would say, Okay, all these plays have the number one,

512
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Speaker 4: the number two, the number three, and we put little

513
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Speaker 4: numbers on all these these past drawings, and then they've

514
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Speaker 4: got these other ones that have just like an alert

515
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Speaker 4: on it. And my dad would always tell me, hey,

516
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Speaker 4: that's a Joe montanay. Once you're that experience, once you

517
00:24:07,386 --> 00:24:09,306
Speaker 4: know defense as well enough, okay, you can think about

518
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Speaker 4: that one. And I remember, we're in practice and we

519
00:24:13,466 --> 00:24:16,826
Speaker 4: have a play that has you know, very basic one, two, three,

520
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Speaker 4: and Aaron drops back, looks right, and this is just

521
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Speaker 4: in practice, looks right, comes back over and throws the

522
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Speaker 4: alert on the backside for an amazing touchdown. I forget

523
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Speaker 4: who he threw it to, but it was actually Luke

524
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Speaker 4: Getsy and we're in the room and we're like looking

525
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Speaker 4: at each other and we're like, how what was he doing?

526
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Speaker 4: And Aaron just kind of gives you one of those

527
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Speaker 4: like little smirks like yeah, yeah, and so gets you

528
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Speaker 4: and I go back and we look and like I

529
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Speaker 4: want to say, it was like a week earlier when

530
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Speaker 4: we had run that play versus our defense. He noticed

531
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Speaker 4: that they had pushed everybody over and so there was

532
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Speaker 4: a one on one matchup on the backside to a

533
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Speaker 4: corner route, and he had remembered that just from practice,

534
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Speaker 4: like how he was watching practice And I'm like, oh

535
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Speaker 4: my goodness, I can't believe he remembered from that practice

536
00:25:06,066 --> 00:25:08,546
Speaker 4: clip so far earlier that he could go all the

537
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Speaker 4: way back there and that would end he got the

538
00:25:10,266 --> 00:25:11,986
Speaker 4: exact same coverage, hurt all the same things, and then

539
00:25:12,186 --> 00:25:14,826
Speaker 4: attacked that kind So it's like everybody's live. I mean,

540
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Speaker 4: I was just I was like, Wow, I've never gone

541
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Speaker 4: to that guy and that play and well, hey, I

542
00:25:20,786 --> 00:25:22,626
Speaker 4: guess you've seen it, but just for him to be

543
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Speaker 4: able to remember that had happened was pretty impressive. And

544
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Speaker 4: I was like Okay, this is this is pretty cool.

545
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

546
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Speaker 1: You know you mentioned your your father several times already.

547
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Speaker 1: You said something in one of your Jets interviews, whether

548
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Speaker 1: it would be on the press conference or it was

549
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Speaker 1: during a podcast with their gentleman Eric Allen, who does

550
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Speaker 1: it over there for them? Your father never called a

551
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Speaker 1: play out of the shotgun in twenty years of coaching.

552
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Speaker 2: Never. And now we look at these.

553
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Speaker 1: Offenses and they're so interchangeable and there's so much different stuff.

554
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Speaker 1: How would you define your off are you west coast?

555
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Speaker 2: Are you wide zone? Like?

556
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Speaker 1: What would you describe the Nathaniel Hacket offense? Now as

557
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Speaker 1: we entered twenty twenty three with Rogers at at your

558
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Speaker 1: mercy with whatever you want to do with them.

559
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Speaker 4: Yeah, my dad and I we fight a lot about that.

560
00:26:06,466 --> 00:26:08,946
Speaker 4: It's why don't you under center more? Why don't you

561
00:26:08,986 --> 00:26:11,066
Speaker 4: under centered? How do you see the defense? Kind to

562
00:26:11,186 --> 00:26:13,946
Speaker 4: have your eyes up all the time. But I think

563
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Speaker 4: that to in today's game, you know, everybody has to

564
00:26:16,826 --> 00:26:19,626
Speaker 4: make adjustments. And I think a big part of what

565
00:26:19,866 --> 00:26:21,706
Speaker 4: the reason why we all go to the gun is

566
00:26:21,946 --> 00:26:24,546
Speaker 4: because of all the intricate defenses we see. I mean,

567
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Speaker 4: there are guys in the old days they all didn't

568
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Speaker 4: stand in all the gaps across the board and then

569
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Speaker 4: drop out and run and you know, be able to

570
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Speaker 4: athletically still cover people from standing, almost like a defensive lineman.

571
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Speaker 4: And so I would say, you know, the West Coast

572
00:26:39,586 --> 00:26:43,386
Speaker 4: offense is something people throw around quite a bit, and

573
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Speaker 4: for me, we are very much West Coast, and the

574
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Speaker 4: West Coast is defined for me how you train the quarterback,

575
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Speaker 4: how you teach the quarterback and train the quarterback. But

576
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Speaker 4: I think there's still a huge component of what I

577
00:26:55,266 --> 00:26:57,826
Speaker 4: was able to learn from Matt Lafleur. He is somebody

578
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Speaker 4: that I just respect so much, and I mean, he's

579
00:27:01,826 --> 00:27:04,186
Speaker 4: a dear friend of mine and I love the things

580
00:27:04,186 --> 00:27:06,586
Speaker 4: he does. So the wide zone is kind of the

581
00:27:06,586 --> 00:27:08,346
Speaker 4: starting point in the run game with the play pass

582
00:27:08,706 --> 00:27:10,866
Speaker 4: and the keepers based off of that. But when you

583
00:27:10,866 --> 00:27:13,546
Speaker 4: look at the quick game to drop back that world

584
00:27:14,026 --> 00:27:17,386
Speaker 4: that's more of a West Coast world, kind of like

585
00:27:17,426 --> 00:27:20,146
Speaker 4: what Aaron grew up. So it's a mesh between those

586
00:27:20,186 --> 00:27:23,146
Speaker 4: two with the wide zone the play passes off of it,

587
00:27:23,386 --> 00:27:25,946
Speaker 4: and the pure quick game and drop back West Coast world.

588
00:27:26,506 --> 00:27:28,986
Speaker 1: Now, Matt was a head coach in an offensive mind.

589
00:27:28,986 --> 00:27:31,306
Speaker 1: You were the offensive coordinator. Now you enter this deal

590
00:27:31,346 --> 00:27:33,706
Speaker 1: with Salo where I'm assuming he's like, here are the keys,

591
00:27:33,946 --> 00:27:36,906
Speaker 1: Like I'm not, you go do your offensive like whatever

592
00:27:36,906 --> 00:27:39,066
Speaker 1: you want to do. Does Aaron have the green light

593
00:27:39,146 --> 00:27:41,906
Speaker 1: to audible out of whatever he wants? Can Aaron kind

594
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Speaker 1: of is Aaron out there basically with you co calling

595
00:27:44,626 --> 00:27:46,746
Speaker 1: these plays? Like what's the dynamic now that there's no

596
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Speaker 1: head coach who's going to say, actually, no, let's run this.

597
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Speaker 4: You know that there's aspects of every play. And I

598
00:27:53,106 --> 00:27:57,226
Speaker 4: think that for us, you always want to be in

599
00:27:57,266 --> 00:27:59,946
Speaker 4: a good play. I mean, there's so many unique defenses

600
00:27:59,946 --> 00:28:02,266
Speaker 4: that you face. And that's another argument that I have

601
00:28:02,306 --> 00:28:03,666
Speaker 4: with my father all the time. He's like, I you

602
00:28:03,666 --> 00:28:06,426
Speaker 4: should just call this play and run well, Dad, people

603
00:28:06,586 --> 00:28:10,066
Speaker 4: play their coverage is a lot different than the old days.

604
00:28:10,746 --> 00:28:13,706
Speaker 4: And so I think for me, I think as long

605
00:28:13,746 --> 00:28:15,746
Speaker 4: as we understand the intention of the play and what

606
00:28:15,786 --> 00:28:17,666
Speaker 4: we're trying to accomplish within it. And I think that's

607
00:28:17,706 --> 00:28:20,306
Speaker 4: what's so great about having Aaron is, Hey, you're calling

608
00:28:20,346 --> 00:28:22,386
Speaker 4: this play for this reason. This is what you're trying

609
00:28:22,386 --> 00:28:24,586
Speaker 4: to You want to throw this ball way down the field.

610
00:28:24,986 --> 00:28:28,466
Speaker 4: But if you don't get that advantageous look from the defense. Well,

611
00:28:28,506 --> 00:28:30,626
Speaker 4: we don't want to waste that play. So I think

612
00:28:30,666 --> 00:28:33,026
Speaker 4: whether it's built into the play call, whether it's built

613
00:28:33,066 --> 00:28:36,426
Speaker 4: into an audible package, however we want we always want

614
00:28:36,426 --> 00:28:38,826
Speaker 4: to be sure that we're being efficient and always have

615
00:28:38,866 --> 00:28:41,346
Speaker 4: the ability to stretch the ball down the field. So

616
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Speaker 4: I think there's going to be from freedom with Aaron

617
00:28:43,906 --> 00:28:46,906
Speaker 4: and Aaron as we moved forward in the Green Bay system,

618
00:28:46,986 --> 00:28:49,986
Speaker 4: there was definitely more freedom as we went. We're going

619
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Speaker 4: to just continue that because I think you got to

620
00:28:52,226 --> 00:28:54,786
Speaker 4: take advantage of a guy like Aaron that is so

621
00:28:54,786 --> 00:28:57,666
Speaker 4: smart and understands it. So trying to build this thing

622
00:28:57,746 --> 00:29:00,346
Speaker 4: for him and build it so that when he sees

623
00:29:00,386 --> 00:29:03,786
Speaker 4: certain things, he can do all kinds of stuff and

624
00:29:03,826 --> 00:29:05,386
Speaker 4: put us in the best position possible.

625
00:29:06,146 --> 00:29:07,866
Speaker 1: Why you and him get along so not that he

626
00:29:07,906 --> 00:29:09,786
Speaker 1: doesn't get along with everyone, but he's a he's a

627
00:29:09,786 --> 00:29:11,866
Speaker 1: different kind of cat. And yet you and him like, gosh,

628
00:29:11,946 --> 00:29:14,106
Speaker 1: it's like you guys love each other. I mean I

629
00:29:14,106 --> 00:29:15,906
Speaker 1: could see it in the press conference from him from you,

630
00:29:15,986 --> 00:29:18,106
Speaker 1: but also yah haang. And you go back to all

631
00:29:18,146 --> 00:29:20,266
Speaker 1: the stuff the Gold Zone, all the stuff in Green Bay.

632
00:29:20,866 --> 00:29:22,226
Speaker 1: You connected with him in a way that. I don't

633
00:29:22,226 --> 00:29:25,786
Speaker 1: think we've seen him connect with many coaches before. I'm

634
00:29:25,786 --> 00:29:27,986
Speaker 1: not asking for the secret sauce, but what was it

635
00:29:28,026 --> 00:29:30,426
Speaker 1: that you guys kind of clicked on? And how come

636
00:29:30,706 --> 00:29:33,146
Speaker 1: the two of you or so tight both off the field.

637
00:29:33,866 --> 00:29:37,266
Speaker 4: I mean, it was just something that happened naturally. I

638
00:29:37,306 --> 00:29:38,986
Speaker 4: think that we have a lot of things in common.

639
00:29:39,346 --> 00:29:42,146
Speaker 4: I mean, there's a lot of things we'd love to

640
00:29:42,186 --> 00:29:45,266
Speaker 4: do across the board, off the field. I mean, we're big,

641
00:29:45,346 --> 00:29:48,586
Speaker 4: we love movies, a lot of the same kind of movies.

642
00:29:49,106 --> 00:29:51,826
Speaker 4: We're both close in age, so I think that a

643
00:29:51,866 --> 00:29:54,106
Speaker 4: lot of the things that we talk about where there

644
00:29:54,146 --> 00:29:55,906
Speaker 4: is a lot of correlation. I mean, heck, got coached

645
00:29:55,906 --> 00:29:58,906
Speaker 4: at Stanford against him when he was playing a cat.

646
00:29:58,906 --> 00:29:59,626
Speaker 1: Right, that's good.

647
00:29:59,666 --> 00:30:02,746
Speaker 4: Yeah, we were both young guys, and so I think that,

648
00:30:03,186 --> 00:30:04,466
Speaker 4: you know, I mean there's just a lot of things

649
00:30:04,466 --> 00:30:05,266
Speaker 4: that we have in common.

650
00:30:05,506 --> 00:30:08,666
Speaker 1: And random movie that you and Rogers would mesh on

651
00:30:08,746 --> 00:30:11,226
Speaker 1: that like it's not an obvious one. It's not Step Brothers,

652
00:30:11,306 --> 00:30:14,946
Speaker 1: it's not you know, it's like give me a random

653
00:30:15,066 --> 00:30:16,066
Speaker 1: deep cup, n.

654
00:30:17,826 --> 00:30:17,866
Speaker 2: B.

655
00:30:19,146 --> 00:30:20,626
Speaker 4: That was that was a good one. That that was

656
00:30:20,666 --> 00:30:24,026
Speaker 4: a very unique movie back then. I mean, gosh, we've

657
00:30:24,066 --> 00:30:25,826
Speaker 4: got so I mean, we got so many just from

658
00:30:25,866 --> 00:30:27,866
Speaker 4: how we quote him and how we talk about them.

659
00:30:27,866 --> 00:30:30,786
Speaker 4: And that's part of all the things. Starsky and Hutch

660
00:30:30,946 --> 00:30:32,226
Speaker 4: You gotta love Starsky.

661
00:30:32,386 --> 00:30:34,866
Speaker 2: But Ben Stiller ones, Oh yeah, I.

662
00:30:34,786 --> 00:30:36,946
Speaker 4: Mean there's a lot of I mean Will Ferrell, I

663
00:30:36,946 --> 00:30:40,066
Speaker 4: mean anything that Will Ferrell's in, I mean, we love

664
00:30:40,106 --> 00:30:44,106
Speaker 4: I mean, he's absolutely fantastic. But we actually had a

665
00:30:44,146 --> 00:30:48,546
Speaker 4: big movie the other day. Todd Downing is on our staff,

666
00:30:48,746 --> 00:30:50,506
Speaker 4: a dear friend of mine, somebody I was with when

667
00:30:50,506 --> 00:30:53,066
Speaker 4: I was at Buffalo, and we had a little barbecue

668
00:30:53,106 --> 00:30:56,266
Speaker 4: and we had this long conversation with my good friend

669
00:30:56,266 --> 00:30:57,706
Speaker 4: that works with us also at the New York just

670
00:30:57,786 --> 00:31:01,066
Speaker 4: John Vieira, and we were going through this whole process

671
00:31:01,066 --> 00:31:04,546
Speaker 4: of movies. And here we are. It's it's John Todd,

672
00:31:04,666 --> 00:31:07,226
Speaker 4: me and Aaron talking about these MOVI movies. And we've

673
00:31:07,226 --> 00:31:11,546
Speaker 4: got Zach Wilson, Tim Boyle Straveler. We're all sitting completely

674
00:31:11,586 --> 00:31:13,986
Speaker 4: over their head, right, I mean, they're like, what movies

675
00:31:14,026 --> 00:31:14,946
Speaker 4: are those? Well?

676
00:31:15,506 --> 00:31:16,386
Speaker 2: I love that? Do you understand?

677
00:31:16,426 --> 00:31:18,266
Speaker 1: We could talk about the West Coast Mesh and all that.

678
00:31:18,306 --> 00:31:20,066
Speaker 1: All this is the stuff a little bit, So what

679
00:31:20,106 --> 00:31:20,546
Speaker 1: movies were?

680
00:31:20,586 --> 00:31:22,146
Speaker 2: What what wormhole were we going on?

681
00:31:22,226 --> 00:31:24,946
Speaker 4: Oh you should have seen the list that we built

682
00:31:25,066 --> 00:31:26,586
Speaker 4: for their summer You know how there used to be

683
00:31:26,586 --> 00:31:27,426
Speaker 4: a summer reading.

684
00:31:27,226 --> 00:31:28,266
Speaker 2: Programs, summer movie.

685
00:31:28,746 --> 00:31:31,386
Speaker 4: We created a summer movie list.

686
00:31:31,506 --> 00:31:32,346
Speaker 2: That's it was.

687
00:31:33,026 --> 00:31:35,946
Speaker 4: I mean it was. I mean, so it started off

688
00:31:35,986 --> 00:31:37,626
Speaker 4: as like a one pager and then there were a

689
00:31:37,666 --> 00:31:39,786
Speaker 4: couple of movies that were put put on there that

690
00:31:39,866 --> 00:31:44,466
Speaker 4: I was a little bit upset about it. The list no,

691
00:31:44,626 --> 00:31:46,706
Speaker 4: and so we ended up setting up by genres I

692
00:31:46,706 --> 00:31:48,786
Speaker 4: mean mafia movies too. I mean there were so many

693
00:31:48,786 --> 00:31:50,546
Speaker 4: things that they hadn't seen that we were like, okay

694
00:31:50,626 --> 00:31:51,666
Speaker 4: to get on the same page.

695
00:31:51,706 --> 00:31:54,226
Speaker 2: You're playing in New Jersey. That is a that is

696
00:31:54,306 --> 00:31:56,946
Speaker 2: a sector of movie you need to have. You need

697
00:31:56,986 --> 00:31:58,906
Speaker 2: to know go downas you need to know Donnie Brosco.

698
00:31:59,026 --> 00:32:02,546
Speaker 4: You need to know, Oh, just the Godfathers. Let's go

699
00:32:02,546 --> 00:32:05,786
Speaker 4: Godfathers and Scarface and and you look at some of

700
00:32:05,826 --> 00:32:08,666
Speaker 4: these movies that like blew my mind. I mean it

701
00:32:08,666 --> 00:32:10,386
Speaker 4: was funny because my son was there too, and my

702
00:32:10,466 --> 00:32:13,906
Speaker 4: son saw it. So how mean my son's fifteen, I

703
00:32:13,946 --> 00:32:16,186
Speaker 4: mean he had never seen Terminator. I mean they looked

704
00:32:16,186 --> 00:32:18,626
Speaker 4: at me, they looked at me, and they're like, you know,

705
00:32:18,706 --> 00:32:20,826
Speaker 4: Arnold Swarzenegger, what has he been in you know, because

706
00:32:20,826 --> 00:32:22,506
Speaker 4: they look at him and he's the governor at California.

707
00:32:22,586 --> 00:32:25,266
Speaker 4: You forget, these guys are so young. They're like, oh

708
00:32:25,266 --> 00:32:27,626
Speaker 4: my gosh, we need a major education. I mean, Shasha

709
00:32:27,666 --> 00:32:29,666
Speaker 4: and Redemption, you know. I mean, there were so many

710
00:32:29,666 --> 00:32:32,066
Speaker 4: different things that we were like, Okay, we got to

711
00:32:32,106 --> 00:32:34,066
Speaker 4: make sure we get all these things down. And the

712
00:32:34,066 --> 00:32:37,026
Speaker 4: guys had seen a couple of them, but I mean

713
00:32:37,386 --> 00:32:39,266
Speaker 4: there had to have been I mean, we kind of

714
00:32:39,306 --> 00:32:41,226
Speaker 4: went a little overboard, but we figured it can last

715
00:32:41,226 --> 00:32:44,266
Speaker 4: longer than the summer. You know, it's a long season traveling.

716
00:32:44,346 --> 00:32:47,226
Speaker 1: Yeah, this could be a lifelong like this is a Bible,

717
00:32:47,306 --> 00:32:49,386
Speaker 1: this is great, this is oh yeah.

718
00:32:49,386 --> 00:32:51,666
Speaker 4: Oh we went through We went through them all from

719
00:32:51,666 --> 00:32:55,666
Speaker 4: Bruce Willis Diehards to yeah, and then I mean, I

720
00:32:55,706 --> 00:32:57,306
Speaker 4: mean it was a great list. I'm mnna have to

721
00:32:57,346 --> 00:32:57,906
Speaker 4: send it to you.

722
00:32:58,106 --> 00:33:00,306
Speaker 2: The list was like to share that and we'll share

723
00:33:00,346 --> 00:33:03,186
Speaker 2: with our listeners. And I'm laughing.

724
00:33:03,226 --> 00:33:05,186
Speaker 1: So I'm picturing you got these coaches and you've got

725
00:33:05,226 --> 00:33:09,026
Speaker 1: like Zach Wilson, who's twenty, who Chris Streveler, who's been all.

726
00:33:08,866 --> 00:33:10,346
Speaker 2: Over the world playing football.

727
00:33:10,426 --> 00:33:12,346
Speaker 1: You know, you've got this great room, and then there's

728
00:33:12,426 --> 00:33:14,826
Speaker 1: Rogers kind of calm in the corner, like just probably

729
00:33:14,826 --> 00:33:15,826
Speaker 1: throwing out titles.

730
00:33:16,586 --> 00:33:18,186
Speaker 2: What about this one? What about this one?

731
00:33:18,266 --> 00:33:21,226
Speaker 4: I'll tell you if you could see our quarterback meetings,

732
00:33:21,306 --> 00:33:25,266
Speaker 4: I mean when Aaron and I started talking and because again,

733
00:33:25,746 --> 00:33:27,826
Speaker 4: the fun thing about our room right now is you've

734
00:33:27,826 --> 00:33:29,346
Speaker 4: got a lot of You've got guys that want to

735
00:33:29,426 --> 00:33:33,706
Speaker 4: learn that, that are striving to become better. And the

736
00:33:33,746 --> 00:33:36,626
Speaker 4: cool thing about having Aaron in there is he was

737
00:33:36,666 --> 00:33:40,666
Speaker 4: there for a lot of the origination, the first protections,

738
00:33:41,066 --> 00:33:44,706
Speaker 4: the first uh, why these concepts were named what they

739
00:33:44,746 --> 00:33:47,026
Speaker 4: were named, so the conversation and I know kind of

740
00:33:47,026 --> 00:33:49,786
Speaker 4: the history of all that stuff. So when we start

741
00:33:49,826 --> 00:33:52,586
Speaker 4: talking about where these things come, it's great because you

742
00:33:52,586 --> 00:33:55,266
Speaker 4: get an in depth knowledge of the system and what

743
00:33:55,346 --> 00:33:57,986
Speaker 4: you're trying to accomplish. But there's always that history, whether

744
00:33:58,026 --> 00:34:00,746
Speaker 4: it's movies and then you jump to football and then

745
00:34:01,506 --> 00:34:04,386
Speaker 4: great football player, you know, just all those things. You know,

746
00:34:04,626 --> 00:34:07,146
Speaker 4: it's great to have that background history because I think

747
00:34:07,146 --> 00:34:10,626
Speaker 4: that's what makes people closer to an offense. You know,

748
00:34:10,706 --> 00:34:14,466
Speaker 4: if they think that a play is called you know apples,

749
00:34:14,826 --> 00:34:17,386
Speaker 4: it's well, why is it apples? Where did that stem?

750
00:34:17,706 --> 00:34:18,826
Speaker 2: Let me tell you the story.

751
00:34:18,946 --> 00:34:21,946
Speaker 4: It actually its you know, And so I think those

752
00:34:21,986 --> 00:34:24,466
Speaker 4: are the fun conversations to have because it starts meaning something,

753
00:34:24,546 --> 00:34:26,506
Speaker 4: meaning more to you. So when you do go out

754
00:34:26,506 --> 00:34:30,586
Speaker 4: on the field, you can see where it just comes

755
00:34:30,586 --> 00:34:32,946
Speaker 4: alive and you believe in it more because of where

756
00:34:32,986 --> 00:34:33,746
Speaker 4: that thing came from.

757
00:34:38,586 --> 00:34:42,746
Speaker 1: Donovan Knight, Bam Knight, was on our Good Morning Football

758
00:34:42,786 --> 00:34:44,626
Speaker 1: morning show and he told a story about he was

759
00:34:44,666 --> 00:34:46,146
Speaker 1: in a running backs room and it was him and

760
00:34:46,146 --> 00:34:47,866
Speaker 1: it was Carter and it was Breee and the lights

761
00:34:47,866 --> 00:34:51,706
Speaker 1: were down and there's going through some concept and I

762
00:34:51,706 --> 00:34:54,066
Speaker 1: don't know who the running backs coaches these days, I apologize,

763
00:34:54,146 --> 00:34:55,466
Speaker 1: probably a best friend of you or something like that.

764
00:34:55,506 --> 00:34:58,186
Speaker 2: And he's going, Taylor, there you go. So he's going

765
00:34:58,186 --> 00:34:58,826
Speaker 2: through it and he's the.

766
00:34:58,786 --> 00:35:00,466
Speaker 1: Other thing and it's dark, and all of a sudden,

767
00:35:00,466 --> 00:35:02,666
Speaker 1: a voice from the back of the room, Mike just says, like,

768
00:35:02,826 --> 00:35:06,746
Speaker 1: actually consider this, And it was Rogers, like sitting in

769
00:35:06,826 --> 00:35:09,226
Speaker 1: the back of the running backs room, just like watching

770
00:35:09,266 --> 00:35:11,906
Speaker 1: and listening and like, maybe I'm wrong on the story,

771
00:35:11,946 --> 00:35:13,066
Speaker 1: but that's what I the gist of it.

772
00:35:13,826 --> 00:35:16,386
Speaker 2: How much of an advantage is to have another voice

773
00:35:16,426 --> 00:35:18,906
Speaker 2: who speaks your language and can almost be a coach

774
00:35:19,066 --> 00:35:21,306
Speaker 2: that is now engaged and fully in on it. I

775
00:35:21,306 --> 00:35:22,226
Speaker 2: feel like you guys have this.

776
00:35:22,946 --> 00:35:24,426
Speaker 1: You know, we can talk about the offensive line play,

777
00:35:24,426 --> 00:35:26,186
Speaker 1: whether they're going to keep them up, all all we want,

778
00:35:26,186 --> 00:35:28,266
Speaker 1: but the fact that he's with these young guys teaching

779
00:35:28,266 --> 00:35:29,786
Speaker 1: them the offense is if he's a coach and they

780
00:35:29,786 --> 00:35:31,186
Speaker 1: listen to him like they do, that's got to be

781
00:35:31,186 --> 00:35:32,106
Speaker 1: a huge advantage.

782
00:35:32,466 --> 00:35:37,266
Speaker 4: Oh that's awesome. I mean coaches either. Joe Dumar said

783
00:35:37,306 --> 00:35:39,266
Speaker 4: something that that I thought was really cool from the

784
00:35:39,346 --> 00:35:43,666
Speaker 4: old Detroit Pistons. He said, coaching led teams are very

785
00:35:43,706 --> 00:35:47,706
Speaker 4: good teams, but the great teams are player led teams.

786
00:35:48,626 --> 00:35:51,106
Speaker 4: And so I think that's such a powerful thing when

787
00:35:51,146 --> 00:35:55,146
Speaker 4: you have a player being able to communicate those things

788
00:35:55,266 --> 00:35:57,546
Speaker 4: and have those conversations. And I think that's something that

789
00:35:57,586 --> 00:36:01,866
Speaker 4: Aaron has been really enjoying. You know, just hit all

790
00:36:01,906 --> 00:36:04,906
Speaker 4: the communication he's had, whether he's sitting in the room

791
00:36:05,226 --> 00:36:09,026
Speaker 4: and we're an whole offense together and we're talking about

792
00:36:09,186 --> 00:36:12,506
Speaker 4: certain plays or certain things, and he when he chimes in,

793
00:36:12,666 --> 00:36:14,746
Speaker 4: I mean, that goes so far, not just because it's

794
00:36:14,746 --> 00:36:17,466
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers, but because it's another player, it's a guy

795
00:36:17,506 --> 00:36:20,186
Speaker 4: that's you know, in there running it instead of just

796
00:36:20,226 --> 00:36:22,346
Speaker 4: always hearing it from a coach and a coach talking

797
00:36:22,706 --> 00:36:27,106
Speaker 4: to you. It's about the players interacting and learning because

798
00:36:27,146 --> 00:36:28,426
Speaker 4: in the end, they're the ones that are on on

799
00:36:28,466 --> 00:36:30,906
Speaker 4: the field. They're the ones that have to be able

800
00:36:30,946 --> 00:36:34,066
Speaker 4: to operate. You can call any play you want, and

801
00:36:34,106 --> 00:36:37,266
Speaker 4: if it's executed, you know perfectly, every single time, there's

802
00:36:37,306 --> 00:36:40,306
Speaker 4: going to be some form of efficiency. The players are

803
00:36:40,346 --> 00:36:41,866
Speaker 4: going to know how to react. And I think that

804
00:36:42,066 --> 00:36:45,466
Speaker 4: when Aaron gives you all those answers and we're all

805
00:36:45,506 --> 00:36:48,866
Speaker 4: speaking the same language, I think it's a very powerful thing.

806
00:36:48,946 --> 00:36:51,866
Speaker 4: And that's what has really been fun during this offseason,

807
00:36:51,906 --> 00:36:54,386
Speaker 4: and I'm excited after we get a nice break, I'm

808
00:36:54,426 --> 00:36:56,986
Speaker 4: excited for it to continue throughout training camp.

809
00:36:57,266 --> 00:37:00,306
Speaker 1: Do you feel like he's not reinvigorated, but invigorated to

810
00:37:00,306 --> 00:37:02,986
Speaker 1: be with new guys and so much youth on this team.

811
00:37:04,066 --> 00:37:06,306
Speaker 4: I mean, he's been great. I mean when I was

812
00:37:06,666 --> 00:37:09,306
Speaker 4: Green Bay those three years, I mean I remember the

813
00:37:09,346 --> 00:37:11,906
Speaker 4: first year we had a great time, then we hit

814
00:37:11,946 --> 00:37:14,346
Speaker 4: COVID and that third year once he got it. I mean,

815
00:37:14,666 --> 00:37:16,746
Speaker 4: the great thing about Aaron is when he's in the room,

816
00:37:17,306 --> 00:37:19,466
Speaker 4: when he's in the facility, I mean he's all in.

817
00:37:19,986 --> 00:37:23,746
Speaker 4: I mean he is, he's grinding, he's talking, he's communicating.

818
00:37:24,506 --> 00:37:26,626
Speaker 4: I think that being here at the New York Jets,

819
00:37:27,426 --> 00:37:30,506
Speaker 4: it is completely different for him, something he's never experienced before,

820
00:37:30,546 --> 00:37:33,226
Speaker 4: and I think that that kind of excites him. Just

821
00:37:33,346 --> 00:37:38,586
Speaker 4: a totally new area, totally new experience. I think that,

822
00:37:38,826 --> 00:37:40,826
Speaker 4: you know, and it's a challenge for any quarterback to

823
00:37:40,866 --> 00:37:43,866
Speaker 4: come into a brand new place because there is so

824
00:37:43,946 --> 00:37:46,986
Speaker 4: much stimuli around you. And I think he's done a

825
00:37:47,026 --> 00:37:50,066
Speaker 4: great job being able to kind of hyper focus and

826
00:37:50,186 --> 00:37:52,946
Speaker 4: just set on those players when he has those opportunities

827
00:37:52,986 --> 00:37:55,626
Speaker 4: and talk with a guy like Garrett Wilson, be around

828
00:37:55,666 --> 00:37:58,346
Speaker 4: a guy like Alan Lizard who's already been around, and

829
00:37:58,386 --> 00:38:00,666
Speaker 4: watching those two guys interact and interact with the group,

830
00:38:00,706 --> 00:38:03,066
Speaker 4: with Randall Cobb, you know, all these guys. I mean,

831
00:38:03,306 --> 00:38:04,986
Speaker 4: it's just fun to see the interaction. I think he

832
00:38:05,066 --> 00:38:07,266
Speaker 4: enjoys that. He enjoys the team, and that's why Aaron's

833
00:38:07,266 --> 00:38:09,746
Speaker 4: still playing. He plays because of the locker room, because

834
00:38:09,746 --> 00:38:11,226
Speaker 4: the guys that are in there. I mean, that's why

835
00:38:11,266 --> 00:38:13,146
Speaker 4: he loves the game. That's why any guy can want

836
00:38:13,186 --> 00:38:15,386
Speaker 4: to play as long as he can for the team.

837
00:38:15,586 --> 00:38:17,946
Speaker 1: Yourself, I mean, these last twelve months have been such

838
00:38:17,946 --> 00:38:21,466
Speaker 1: a whirlwind. I can only imagine what you've been through,

839
00:38:21,546 --> 00:38:24,826
Speaker 1: not just just your family and we're going, but also

840
00:38:24,866 --> 00:38:28,266
Speaker 1: mental health wise, and your own ambition and your own,

841
00:38:28,586 --> 00:38:30,466
Speaker 1: like you know, self worth and all this stuff when

842
00:38:30,466 --> 00:38:33,626
Speaker 1: it's tied to the coaching profession. What have you learned

843
00:38:33,666 --> 00:38:35,906
Speaker 1: over the last twelve months after the Denver experience then

844
00:38:35,906 --> 00:38:37,466
Speaker 1: now landing back on your feet with the Jets.

845
00:38:37,506 --> 00:38:38,946
Speaker 2: But just what would you say?

846
00:38:39,026 --> 00:38:40,906
Speaker 1: Almost in the rear view, I know it's probably you're

847
00:38:40,946 --> 00:38:42,306
Speaker 1: still going through it every day of just what the

848
00:38:42,306 --> 00:38:43,106
Speaker 1: hell just happened?

849
00:38:43,106 --> 00:38:45,706
Speaker 2: But I would ask you, like, what is your big takeaway?

850
00:38:45,746 --> 00:38:47,586
Speaker 1: Because you talk about the highs and lows of coaching,

851
00:38:47,946 --> 00:38:49,826
Speaker 1: I would assume that's viewed as a low, But in

852
00:38:49,866 --> 00:38:51,386
Speaker 1: the long term, it's going to be a high for

853
00:38:51,466 --> 00:38:52,346
Speaker 1: what you got out of it.

854
00:38:53,426 --> 00:38:55,586
Speaker 4: In the end, you got to win. I mean, that's

855
00:38:55,586 --> 00:38:57,346
Speaker 4: what it's all about, whether you're a coach, whether you're

856
00:38:57,346 --> 00:39:00,066
Speaker 4: a player. You got to win. And we didn't win enough,

857
00:39:00,306 --> 00:39:02,306
Speaker 4: and so I have to look back and I think

858
00:39:02,306 --> 00:39:04,426
Speaker 4: there's so many things that I learned over my time.

859
00:39:04,466 --> 00:39:07,586
Speaker 4: I think it was a great, great experience on all

860
00:39:07,626 --> 00:39:09,626
Speaker 4: the different things. I mean, you never know what it's

861
00:39:09,626 --> 00:39:12,826
Speaker 4: gonna be like until you're in that chair, and it

862
00:39:12,866 --> 00:39:15,466
Speaker 4: was an honor to be in that chair, even though

863
00:39:15,466 --> 00:39:18,066
Speaker 4: it was a limited time, and you could just continually

864
00:39:18,066 --> 00:39:20,986
Speaker 4: take all the things that that you went through and

865
00:39:21,386 --> 00:39:24,386
Speaker 4: the things that you can potentially do better, the things

866
00:39:24,426 --> 00:39:27,386
Speaker 4: that you might not have done well enough. And as

867
00:39:27,426 --> 00:39:29,946
Speaker 4: a coach, we question everything every second. We always want

868
00:39:29,986 --> 00:39:31,946
Speaker 4: to try to make ourselves better. And I think there's

869
00:39:31,946 --> 00:39:33,386
Speaker 4: a lot of things I learned that are going to

870
00:39:33,426 --> 00:39:36,226
Speaker 4: make me better. And I think everything happens for a reason.

871
00:39:36,866 --> 00:39:38,786
Speaker 4: You know, I look at it and say, wow, to

872
00:39:38,786 --> 00:39:40,386
Speaker 4: be able to have an opportunity to be at the

873
00:39:40,426 --> 00:39:44,346
Speaker 4: New York Jets, to be back with Aaron, I think

874
00:39:44,346 --> 00:39:48,266
Speaker 4: that's that's unbelievable. And so I think just everything happens

875
00:39:48,266 --> 00:39:50,786
Speaker 4: for a reason, and this happened for this reason. And

876
00:39:51,266 --> 00:39:53,506
Speaker 4: here we are, and I mean, I'm so excited for

877
00:39:53,546 --> 00:39:55,546
Speaker 4: this season, and my family is excited to get to

878
00:39:55,586 --> 00:39:58,226
Speaker 4: New Jersey and you know, get going there.

879
00:39:58,706 --> 00:40:02,186
Speaker 1: I said the word invigorated for Aaron, but you sound invigorated.

880
00:40:02,226 --> 00:40:04,386
Speaker 1: You sound like you've got this like pep in your step?

881
00:40:04,786 --> 00:40:06,906
Speaker 1: Is there a chip on your shoulder? Does that not

882
00:40:06,986 --> 00:40:09,186
Speaker 1: exist when you're a coach, because then you start coaching

883
00:40:09,426 --> 00:40:11,226
Speaker 1: beyond what you want to do, you know, and then

884
00:40:11,266 --> 00:40:12,906
Speaker 1: you start trying to do extra like but do you

885
00:40:12,946 --> 00:40:14,866
Speaker 1: feel like you want to maybe show some folks a

886
00:40:14,866 --> 00:40:17,106
Speaker 1: thing or two might have said, Hey, this, this is

887
00:40:17,186 --> 00:40:18,346
Speaker 1: what I can do.

888
00:40:18,426 --> 00:40:22,186
Speaker 4: Also, I mean, in the end, I mean a coach,

889
00:40:22,586 --> 00:40:24,586
Speaker 4: you know, we're teachers. You know, there's so many things

890
00:40:24,626 --> 00:40:27,466
Speaker 4: that we can't control. You know, everybody looks at a

891
00:40:27,506 --> 00:40:31,146
Speaker 4: coach and says, oh, this or that or this, and

892
00:40:31,186 --> 00:40:33,146
Speaker 4: that's part of the profession, that's what we all signed

893
00:40:33,226 --> 00:40:35,266
Speaker 4: up for. But in the end, my job is to

894
00:40:35,386 --> 00:40:37,666
Speaker 4: put the guys in the best position possible and they

895
00:40:37,706 --> 00:40:39,466
Speaker 4: have to go out there and execute. I mean, it's

896
00:40:39,466 --> 00:40:41,106
Speaker 4: it's that simple. I mean, I can't catch it, I

897
00:40:41,146 --> 00:40:43,906
Speaker 4: can't throw it, I can't tackle or block or anything

898
00:40:43,946 --> 00:40:46,346
Speaker 4: like that. I wish I could, but it wouldn't be pretty.

899
00:40:47,586 --> 00:40:49,266
Speaker 4: So I think for me, you know, you have to

900
00:40:49,266 --> 00:40:52,666
Speaker 4: continually learn and hold back those things that you know,

901
00:40:52,706 --> 00:40:54,586
Speaker 4: in the end you just can't control. And I think

902
00:40:54,626 --> 00:40:56,986
Speaker 4: that when you kind of let that go and understand

903
00:40:57,026 --> 00:40:58,106
Speaker 4: that there are going to be some things that are

904
00:40:58,106 --> 00:41:01,746
Speaker 4: going to happen that you never expected. There're gonna be

905
00:41:01,786 --> 00:41:03,586
Speaker 4: some things that you know, you can call perfect play

906
00:41:03,586 --> 00:41:06,626
Speaker 4: in a perfect situation, but you know, as coaches, we're

907
00:41:06,626 --> 00:41:08,906
Speaker 4: not the ones executing it. And so I think it's

908
00:41:08,946 --> 00:41:11,586
Speaker 4: not about me. It isn't. The only thing I would

909
00:41:11,626 --> 00:41:13,466
Speaker 4: say that it is about me is I just want

910
00:41:13,466 --> 00:41:15,866
Speaker 4: to be the best version of myself. I remember Matt

911
00:41:15,946 --> 00:41:18,626
Speaker 4: used to always say that that's that's the whole mindset

912
00:41:18,826 --> 00:41:20,746
Speaker 4: is walking in that building, trying to do whatever you

913
00:41:20,786 --> 00:41:23,186
Speaker 4: can to be the best version of yourself. Because if

914
00:41:23,226 --> 00:41:26,186
Speaker 4: I can then portray that to those players, then they're

915
00:41:26,186 --> 00:41:27,986
Speaker 4: gonna be able to get out on that field and

916
00:41:28,186 --> 00:41:29,866
Speaker 4: they're going to be able to execute at a high level.

917
00:41:29,906 --> 00:41:31,346
Speaker 4: And that's all that I want. I just want to

918
00:41:31,346 --> 00:41:33,746
Speaker 4: see Aaron play some of the best football he's ever

919
00:41:33,786 --> 00:41:36,066
Speaker 4: played in his career. I think that that was something

920
00:41:36,106 --> 00:41:38,706
Speaker 4: that was so fun to be a part of when

921
00:41:38,746 --> 00:41:41,746
Speaker 4: we were at Green Bay. And I want to see him,

922
00:41:41,826 --> 00:41:44,066
Speaker 4: you know, get to the you know, where he wants

923
00:41:44,106 --> 00:41:45,706
Speaker 4: to be. I want him to accomplish what he wants

924
00:41:45,746 --> 00:41:49,106
Speaker 4: to accomplish. I want to watch Garrett Wilson be great,

925
00:41:49,146 --> 00:41:52,026
Speaker 4: Alaen Lazar, Ronald Cobb. I mean, Bam, like you mentioned

926
00:41:52,106 --> 00:41:55,626
Speaker 4: Michael bresee all those guys, our tight end group, all

927
00:41:55,666 --> 00:41:57,946
Speaker 4: those guys, I want them to I just want them

928
00:41:57,986 --> 00:42:00,666
Speaker 4: to have fun out there and play football together, and

929
00:42:00,986 --> 00:42:02,946
Speaker 4: I want to watch them interact and all that. That's

930
00:42:03,026 --> 00:42:05,466
Speaker 4: that's the environment that I like to create because I

931
00:42:05,466 --> 00:42:08,026
Speaker 4: can control that. I can make sure that they're going

932
00:42:08,066 --> 00:42:10,106
Speaker 4: out there and they're working together, kind of like you

933
00:42:10,146 --> 00:42:13,706
Speaker 4: look back at that Jacksonville days, I mean that twenty seventeen.

934
00:42:14,106 --> 00:42:15,586
Speaker 4: I think that was some of the thing that I

935
00:42:15,626 --> 00:42:18,786
Speaker 4: was most proud of, is watching those guys go out

936
00:42:18,826 --> 00:42:21,546
Speaker 4: there and just play ball together. I mean, and I

937
00:42:21,586 --> 00:42:23,786
Speaker 4: know they're not a lot of household names, but the

938
00:42:23,786 --> 00:42:26,106
Speaker 4: one thing I know is that those guys played together.

939
00:42:26,386 --> 00:42:28,346
Speaker 4: And if you get that, you're going to have an

940
00:42:28,346 --> 00:42:31,186
Speaker 4: opportunity to be successful. And that's all I want to

941
00:42:31,186 --> 00:42:33,106
Speaker 4: see happens, because it's not about me. There's only so

942
00:42:33,146 --> 00:42:35,666
Speaker 4: many things a coach can control, regardless to what anybody

943
00:42:35,706 --> 00:42:36,266
Speaker 4: wants to admit.

944
00:42:36,746 --> 00:42:39,466
Speaker 1: You know, you're in New Jersey now, and we went

945
00:42:39,546 --> 00:42:42,266
Speaker 1: to the Nick game and it was like here's New

946
00:42:42,346 --> 00:42:45,786
Speaker 1: York City all and it's grander and it's gloria what

947
00:42:45,826 --> 00:42:49,546
Speaker 1: it could be, right, Like celebrities everywhere, the fans so hardcore,

948
00:42:50,066 --> 00:42:52,666
Speaker 1: the garden rocking, and you just get a taste of it,

949
00:42:52,786 --> 00:42:57,946
Speaker 1: like if the Jets win, how damn cool this can be?

950
00:42:58,466 --> 00:43:01,626
Speaker 1: Have you had any really cool interactions with fans or

951
00:43:02,426 --> 00:43:04,866
Speaker 1: anything even being in Jersey and I know you're probably

952
00:43:04,866 --> 00:43:07,586
Speaker 1: living at the facility, but like taste of it, of

953
00:43:07,746 --> 00:43:09,786
Speaker 1: just what this can be if the Jets have success.

954
00:43:10,266 --> 00:43:11,866
Speaker 4: I mean, I would say going to that Nick game

955
00:43:12,146 --> 00:43:16,186
Speaker 4: was pretty awesome. I mean New York City is I mean, it's,

956
00:43:16,706 --> 00:43:19,106
Speaker 4: I agree, the greatest city in the world. I mean

957
00:43:19,146 --> 00:43:22,106
Speaker 4: we're talking. I mean it's a place that my wife

958
00:43:22,106 --> 00:43:24,546
Speaker 4: and I have gone to visit for years. You know,

959
00:43:24,586 --> 00:43:26,466
Speaker 4: we love it. I mean lucky to be. I mean

960
00:43:26,506 --> 00:43:29,346
Speaker 4: I had all my kids in New York, Syracuse and Buffalo,

961
00:43:29,586 --> 00:43:33,226
Speaker 4: and so I mean we love New York. And I'll

962
00:43:33,226 --> 00:43:36,186
Speaker 4: tell you New Jersey is unbelievably beautiful. I had no

963
00:43:36,306 --> 00:43:37,946
Speaker 4: clue New Jersey was no.

964
00:43:37,986 --> 00:43:40,306
Speaker 1: You probably just think of the opening to Sopranos off

965
00:43:40,346 --> 00:43:42,026
Speaker 1: the Highway. Then you're like, wait a second, there's actually

966
00:43:42,186 --> 00:43:45,346
Speaker 1: green and there's some lovely value it's awesome.

967
00:43:45,626 --> 00:43:47,906
Speaker 4: Hey, there's a reason why they call it the Garden State.

968
00:43:48,106 --> 00:43:51,346
Speaker 4: And I mean, I just think, I mean, it's it's

969
00:43:51,386 --> 00:43:53,306
Speaker 4: been such a great experience there. I haven't had a

970
00:43:53,306 --> 00:43:55,586
Speaker 4: lot of interaction with people. I've been, like you said,

971
00:43:55,626 --> 00:43:58,026
Speaker 4: keeping my head down, just going to and from the

972
00:43:58,026 --> 00:44:01,906
Speaker 4: house and then just trying to grind and work. But

973
00:44:01,946 --> 00:44:03,666
Speaker 4: I mean, being in that Nick game, just being able

974
00:44:03,666 --> 00:44:05,026
Speaker 4: to hop on the train and be able to go

975
00:44:05,026 --> 00:44:08,666
Speaker 4: into the city is so so great. I'm going to

976
00:44:08,746 --> 00:44:12,746
Speaker 4: Broadway and I'm going to amazing restaurants. Is something that

977
00:44:12,786 --> 00:44:16,226
Speaker 4: I'm just lucky to be part of. And but it's

978
00:44:16,266 --> 00:44:17,986
Speaker 4: it's gonna be fun. I mean every place you go,

979
00:44:18,186 --> 00:44:20,026
Speaker 4: I mean you always hear people say that, you know,

980
00:44:20,906 --> 00:44:22,786
Speaker 4: if you win, you know, oh my god, it's going

981
00:44:22,866 --> 00:44:25,866
Speaker 4: to be amazing and this and that. There's a lot

982
00:44:25,866 --> 00:44:27,266
Speaker 4: of highs on a lot of lows. You're going to

983
00:44:27,346 --> 00:44:29,506
Speaker 4: go through adversity no matter what. And so I think

984
00:44:29,546 --> 00:44:31,106
Speaker 4: as a coach, you just got to kind of focus

985
00:44:31,146 --> 00:44:33,626
Speaker 4: in on what your role is and get those guys

986
00:44:33,666 --> 00:44:37,386
Speaker 4: in good positions. And you know, I'm excited to get

987
00:44:37,426 --> 00:44:38,026
Speaker 4: the Jets going.

988
00:44:38,306 --> 00:44:39,066
Speaker 2: All right, We're gonna do a.

989
00:44:39,026 --> 00:44:40,506
Speaker 1: Really quick rapid fire, because I know you got to

990
00:44:40,506 --> 00:44:41,706
Speaker 1: get out of here, and you're doing us a favor

991
00:44:41,746 --> 00:44:44,386
Speaker 1: on your off week doing this fire really rapid fire.

992
00:44:44,386 --> 00:44:47,906
Speaker 1: These are fun questions and a little introspective and then

993
00:44:48,106 --> 00:44:48,866
Speaker 1: we'll get out of here.

994
00:44:49,586 --> 00:44:49,866
Speaker 2: First.

995
00:44:49,866 --> 00:44:54,106
Speaker 1: One, I assume your father is your coaching mentor and

996
00:44:54,146 --> 00:44:56,346
Speaker 1: a guy you look towards, but outside of your father,

997
00:44:57,026 --> 00:44:59,826
Speaker 1: who is another person that you call for advice or

998
00:44:59,866 --> 00:45:02,106
Speaker 1: someone that if you're in a buying coaching wise you

999
00:45:02,186 --> 00:45:03,346
Speaker 1: like to bounce some thoughts off of.

1000
00:45:04,546 --> 00:45:08,306
Speaker 4: I would say there's two. Alex van Pelt, who's the

1001
00:45:08,346 --> 00:45:12,746
Speaker 4: officer cordinerat at the Cleveland Browns, doing him my whole life.

1002
00:45:13,226 --> 00:45:14,946
Speaker 4: He was one of the guys that was at University

1003
00:45:14,986 --> 00:45:17,626
Speaker 4: of pitt and then uh and Mount Lafloor, Like Mount

1004
00:45:17,706 --> 00:45:19,506
Speaker 4: Lafloor is another guy that I that I talked to

1005
00:45:20,306 --> 00:45:22,946
Speaker 4: a bunch, and then Todd Downing would have been one,

1006
00:45:22,946 --> 00:45:25,666
Speaker 4: but he's on the staff, so so that doesn't really count.

1007
00:45:26,386 --> 00:45:28,786
Speaker 4: But uh, but no, definitely Alex. Alex is somebody that

1008
00:45:28,786 --> 00:45:29,666
Speaker 4: that means the world to me.

1009
00:45:30,186 --> 00:45:32,826
Speaker 1: Kyle Orton, you guys brought him out of retirement off

1010
00:45:32,866 --> 00:45:35,226
Speaker 1: the chair in his house and he went and won

1011
00:45:35,266 --> 00:45:35,986
Speaker 1: a bunch of games.

1012
00:45:35,786 --> 00:45:36,586
Speaker 2: For the Buffalo Bills.

1013
00:45:36,586 --> 00:45:39,266
Speaker 1: For you guys, take us through that time and were

1014
00:45:39,306 --> 00:45:41,226
Speaker 1: you one of the guys trying to convince Orton to

1015
00:45:41,226 --> 00:45:43,266
Speaker 1: come out of retirement. I love that time in Buffalo

1016
00:45:43,266 --> 00:45:44,666
Speaker 1: Bill's football pre Josh Allen.

1017
00:45:45,146 --> 00:45:46,946
Speaker 4: That was a great experience. I mean, Kyle is an

1018
00:45:47,026 --> 00:45:50,266
Speaker 4: awesome guy, and he definitely came right off the couch,

1019
00:45:50,546 --> 00:45:54,026
Speaker 4: and I mean just having him out there and uh

1020
00:45:54,066 --> 00:45:57,186
Speaker 4: and watching him spend the rock. I mean, he's got

1021
00:45:57,186 --> 00:45:59,906
Speaker 4: a he's got a canon and uh, it was pretty

1022
00:45:59,906 --> 00:46:02,026
Speaker 4: fun during that whole time. I remember we scored a

1023
00:46:02,066 --> 00:46:05,226
Speaker 4: touchdown to Lee Smith. Actually I think it was verse

1024
00:46:05,306 --> 00:46:07,146
Speaker 4: the Jets. I think it was. It was during that

1025
00:46:07,226 --> 00:46:09,986
Speaker 4: one that was like the first goal line posse he

1026
00:46:10,026 --> 00:46:12,666
Speaker 4: had ever scored a touchdown on. And just being part

1027
00:46:12,666 --> 00:46:14,706
Speaker 4: of that, he had his longest run he scrambled for

1028
00:46:14,786 --> 00:46:17,226
Speaker 4: like ten yards and he was all fired up for that.

1029
00:46:17,306 --> 00:46:19,746
Speaker 4: I remember. I remember when when he ended up starting

1030
00:46:19,786 --> 00:46:22,306
Speaker 4: to play, he was like, hey, listen, man, we got

1031
00:46:22,306 --> 00:46:23,906
Speaker 4: to get over five hundred because he wanted this record

1032
00:46:23,946 --> 00:46:25,346
Speaker 4: to be over five hundred. I was like, I'm gonna

1033
00:46:25,346 --> 00:46:27,346
Speaker 4: do everything to help you, man. I mean, but that

1034
00:46:27,386 --> 00:46:29,066
Speaker 4: was such a great experience because you know, being with

1035
00:46:29,146 --> 00:46:32,786
Speaker 4: a with again with an older guy, because you know,

1036
00:46:33,026 --> 00:46:35,146
Speaker 4: I'd just been working with EJ and Jeff and they

1037
00:46:35,146 --> 00:46:39,066
Speaker 4: were rookies and Dad Lewis and those guys worked so

1038
00:46:39,186 --> 00:46:42,506
Speaker 4: hard and were great. But playing at a young age

1039
00:46:42,506 --> 00:46:44,346
Speaker 4: in this game is very, very difficult. I don't think

1040
00:46:44,346 --> 00:46:47,066
Speaker 4: people understand the thing that how rigorous it is for

1041
00:46:47,186 --> 00:46:49,586
Speaker 4: these quarterbacks and to be able to get Kyle in there,

1042
00:46:49,586 --> 00:46:51,586
Speaker 4: who knew so much. I mean, I remember the first game.

1043
00:46:52,026 --> 00:46:55,106
Speaker 4: We're playing the Detroit Lions at the Lions. Because that

1044
00:46:55,146 --> 00:46:56,746
Speaker 4: year was a weird year. We ended up playing at

1045
00:46:56,746 --> 00:46:59,186
Speaker 4: Detroit twice. We had a blizzard and the game got canceled,

1046
00:46:59,226 --> 00:47:01,026
Speaker 4: moved to Monday, and we actually played the Jets again

1047
00:47:01,106 --> 00:47:05,306
Speaker 4: in Detroit. But that first game versus the Lions, I

1048
00:47:05,306 --> 00:47:07,786
Speaker 4: remember Kyle because I had never caught plays for me

1049
00:47:07,826 --> 00:47:10,346
Speaker 4: and only been there for about four weeks. And he

1050
00:47:10,386 --> 00:47:13,146
Speaker 4: throws a pick six and I want to say it

1051
00:47:13,186 --> 00:47:16,546
Speaker 4: was like the second or third series, and he I remember,

1052
00:47:16,546 --> 00:47:18,866
Speaker 4: he comes up on the sideline. He's like, oh, that

1053
00:47:19,026 --> 00:47:22,586
Speaker 4: guy went out of the way, okay, And I'm like,

1054
00:47:23,026 --> 00:47:25,546
Speaker 4: all right, great. You know, because as a code you

1055
00:47:25,546 --> 00:47:28,066
Speaker 4: don't know how, you know, should I get mad? And uh?

1056
00:47:28,106 --> 00:47:29,826
Speaker 4: And he ended up winning in a two minute drive

1057
00:47:29,946 --> 00:47:33,386
Speaker 4: through a big play to Sammy Watkins on the left side,

1058
00:47:33,386 --> 00:47:34,706
Speaker 4: and we ended up kicking a field goal to win

1059
00:47:34,786 --> 00:47:36,146
Speaker 4: the game. I mean, it was it was really cool.

1060
00:47:36,186 --> 00:47:38,226
Speaker 4: It was a great experience working with Kyle. He he

1061
00:47:38,386 --> 00:47:40,626
Speaker 4: was awesome. I can't say enough good things about him.

1062
00:47:40,946 --> 00:47:45,466
Speaker 2: I love that your favorite Aaron Rodgers in game pass.

1063
00:47:45,786 --> 00:47:48,186
Speaker 1: You probably could chart every pass he threw as a packer,

1064
00:47:48,226 --> 00:47:49,666
Speaker 1: but you go back and the one that still gives

1065
00:47:49,666 --> 00:47:50,386
Speaker 1: you goose bumps.

1066
00:47:50,946 --> 00:47:54,186
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, There's been a lot of really really cool throws.

1067
00:47:54,626 --> 00:47:55,186
Speaker 2: Give me one.

1068
00:47:56,746 --> 00:48:00,466
Speaker 4: You know. It's I would say, the very first game

1069
00:48:00,546 --> 00:48:02,906
Speaker 4: we have played. So you always hear those stories about

1070
00:48:03,026 --> 00:48:08,506
Speaker 4: Aaron seeing people sub or jump the ball, and I

1071
00:48:08,866 --> 00:48:11,226
Speaker 4: remember it's our first game. We're playing Thursday night. It

1072
00:48:11,306 --> 00:48:15,826
Speaker 4: was the opening game versus the Chicago Bears, and he

1073
00:48:17,066 --> 00:48:18,586
Speaker 4: were getting down in the red zone and you know,

1074
00:48:18,666 --> 00:48:20,746
Speaker 4: here we are as coaches. We got all our plans

1075
00:48:20,786 --> 00:48:22,906
Speaker 4: and the things that we want to we want to

1076
00:48:22,946 --> 00:48:26,226
Speaker 4: get done, and I'll be damned, we're about to try

1077
00:48:26,266 --> 00:48:29,186
Speaker 4: to call play and he jumps the ball and snaps

1078
00:48:29,226 --> 00:48:31,666
Speaker 4: it and We're like, what the what's going on? And

1079
00:48:31,746 --> 00:48:35,186
Speaker 4: he runs around and I see the flag throw and

1080
00:48:35,226 --> 00:48:37,066
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, this is great. And then he launches

1081
00:48:37,106 --> 00:48:39,186
Speaker 4: it up and Jimmy Graham goes up and catches it,

1082
00:48:39,426 --> 00:48:43,346
Speaker 4: catches the first touchdown that twenty nineteen season, and it

1083
00:48:43,466 --> 00:48:45,146
Speaker 4: was it was an incredible it was. It was a

1084
00:48:45,186 --> 00:48:47,146
Speaker 4: great throw. But I think for me that that was

1085
00:48:47,186 --> 00:48:49,186
Speaker 4: the first time I saw him being able to attack

1086
00:48:49,226 --> 00:48:50,946
Speaker 4: the defense from that standpoint and be able to jump

1087
00:48:50,946 --> 00:48:52,026
Speaker 4: the ball in score touch and that was the only

1088
00:48:52,106 --> 00:48:53,266
Speaker 4: touchdown we scored that whole game.

1089
00:48:53,506 --> 00:48:55,746
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember smash Amos had a couple of picks

1090
00:48:55,786 --> 00:48:57,186
Speaker 1: in that game, right, yeah.

1091
00:48:57,026 --> 00:48:58,906
Speaker 4: He did, and that that's what ended up stealing it

1092
00:48:58,946 --> 00:49:00,786
Speaker 4: for us. And I just remember looking like, gosh, why

1093
00:49:00,786 --> 00:49:02,746
Speaker 4: don't we just do that every time, just you know,

1094
00:49:02,866 --> 00:49:04,866
Speaker 4: jump the ball, run around at score touch And I

1095
00:49:04,946 --> 00:49:06,946
Speaker 4: was like, this, that's great. But that that was that

1096
00:49:07,066 --> 00:49:07,666
Speaker 4: was a really.

1097
00:49:07,706 --> 00:49:09,546
Speaker 2: Because it was the cerebral part of it where it's like,

1098
00:49:09,586 --> 00:49:10,546
Speaker 2: wait's what I'm saying.

1099
00:49:10,786 --> 00:49:12,586
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean here we are trying to get

1100
00:49:12,666 --> 00:49:15,866
Speaker 4: our best play in the red zone aka gold zone

1101
00:49:15,906 --> 00:49:18,866
Speaker 4: for us, and we uh and he ends up jumping

1102
00:49:18,866 --> 00:49:22,266
Speaker 4: the ball in scorn of a touchdown anyways, and we're like, okay, yeah,

1103
00:49:22,346 --> 00:49:23,866
Speaker 4: this is this is pretty cool. I didn't know we

1104
00:49:23,946 --> 00:49:25,826
Speaker 4: were going to get this, and so I think that

1105
00:49:26,026 --> 00:49:28,986
Speaker 4: was a really cool one. But probably the craziest throw

1106
00:49:29,026 --> 00:49:31,386
Speaker 4: I ever saw him making. I still haven't decided whether

1107
00:49:31,466 --> 00:49:33,426
Speaker 4: or not he was thrown it out of bounds or

1108
00:49:33,506 --> 00:49:35,746
Speaker 4: whether he was just throwing it up. Was that same

1109
00:49:35,866 --> 00:49:40,346
Speaker 4: year Kansas City Chiefs. It was funny because night in

1110
00:49:40,386 --> 00:49:42,906
Speaker 4: the back end zone of Jamal Williams, I mean, and

1111
00:49:42,986 --> 00:49:44,666
Speaker 4: it's funny because there was history to that one. Is

1112
00:49:44,706 --> 00:49:48,306
Speaker 4: that Matt and I were arguing when we were game

1113
00:49:48,386 --> 00:49:51,306
Speaker 4: planning on what personnel grouping to use, and Matt wanted

1114
00:49:51,346 --> 00:49:53,386
Speaker 4: to use a crazy one, and so we put all

1115
00:49:53,426 --> 00:49:54,986
Speaker 4: these guys out there and he's like, Ah, this is

1116
00:49:55,066 --> 00:49:57,466
Speaker 4: gonna work. And I mean literally, he snaps the ball

1117
00:49:57,506 --> 00:49:59,826
Speaker 4: and everybody's coming after him and he's running around game

1118
00:49:59,826 --> 00:50:01,466
Speaker 4: and then launches it up and I mean it's a

1119
00:50:01,466 --> 00:50:03,466
Speaker 4: perfectly thrown ball to Jamal in the back of the

1120
00:50:03,586 --> 00:50:06,826
Speaker 4: back pylon to the right in uh in their ahead

1121
00:50:06,906 --> 00:50:09,866
Speaker 4: and Matt's like I told you. Oh, He's like, I

1122
00:50:09,946 --> 00:50:13,026
Speaker 4: told you it would work, and I'm like I'm like,

1123
00:50:13,106 --> 00:50:13,706
Speaker 4: are you kidding me?

1124
00:50:13,786 --> 00:50:15,426
Speaker 2: He led you out?

1125
00:50:15,626 --> 00:50:17,986
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I was like, come on, man. So

1126
00:50:18,106 --> 00:50:19,866
Speaker 4: those are the kind of the conversations that we always

1127
00:50:19,906 --> 00:50:22,026
Speaker 4: have during the games and stuff. But that was a

1128
00:50:22,106 --> 00:50:24,586
Speaker 4: pretty unbelievable throw. And he had another one that same

1129
00:50:24,706 --> 00:50:27,786
Speaker 4: game when he threw to Jake Kumero across the field.

1130
00:50:27,866 --> 00:50:29,786
Speaker 4: I mean he scrambles to the right and just dives

1131
00:50:29,826 --> 00:50:32,066
Speaker 4: it to him. Jake lays out and gets it. I mean,

1132
00:50:32,466 --> 00:50:34,186
Speaker 4: there's so many. I mean, that's the fun thing about Aaron.

1133
00:50:34,226 --> 00:50:36,906
Speaker 4: I mean, it might not be a perfect play that,

1134
00:50:37,186 --> 00:50:39,506
Speaker 4: but he's going to find a way to make it work.

1135
00:50:40,226 --> 00:50:42,866
Speaker 1: The last one, you're going to be in New York

1136
00:50:42,986 --> 00:50:44,786
Speaker 1: quite a bit. I guess you're gonna have the opportunity

1137
00:50:44,786 --> 00:50:48,266
Speaker 1: to get to New York. The one person or I

1138
00:50:48,306 --> 00:50:51,346
Speaker 1: would say celebrity, non football person. It could be and

1139
00:50:51,546 --> 00:50:53,466
Speaker 1: it could be anyone. It could be government, can be anything.

1140
00:50:53,826 --> 00:50:56,306
Speaker 1: The one person you would love to get dinner with

1141
00:50:56,506 --> 00:50:59,946
Speaker 1: in New York City is who I.

1142
00:50:59,986 --> 00:51:03,346
Speaker 4: Mean, if it's a jet fan, the one person that

1143
00:51:03,466 --> 00:51:07,786
Speaker 4: all my kids and for me, that like we that

1144
00:51:07,946 --> 00:51:11,906
Speaker 4: they were going crazy about. And I heard Adam Sandler

1145
00:51:12,386 --> 00:51:14,386
Speaker 4: is a is a.

1146
00:51:14,426 --> 00:51:17,186
Speaker 2: Jeff fan the Sandman with you, we have to make

1147
00:51:17,226 --> 00:51:17,706
Speaker 2: this happen.

1148
00:51:17,906 --> 00:51:19,506
Speaker 4: I mean I would have said Paul Rudd because I

1149
00:51:19,546 --> 00:51:21,186
Speaker 4: know you and you and Paul are close and you know,

1150
00:51:21,306 --> 00:51:23,626
Speaker 4: and man's my favorite guy. He's a Chiefs fan, bro,

1151
00:51:24,306 --> 00:51:26,626
Speaker 4: but he's a Chiefs fan. He's a chief fan. We

1152
00:51:26,626 --> 00:51:29,146
Speaker 4: went to rival high school. So it's like, but I

1153
00:51:29,226 --> 00:51:31,746
Speaker 4: mean Adam Sandler. I mean, come on, man, I mean

1154
00:51:32,226 --> 00:51:34,986
Speaker 4: Adam Sandler for me growing up. I mean when when

1155
00:51:35,066 --> 00:51:36,946
Speaker 4: he was really starting. I mean just his stand up

1156
00:51:37,466 --> 00:51:40,426
Speaker 4: you know, the goat that he was and is the

1157
00:51:40,546 --> 00:51:43,506
Speaker 4: album I mean the albums. I mean people don't even

1158
00:51:43,506 --> 00:51:43,826
Speaker 4: know about that.

1159
00:51:44,626 --> 00:51:47,226
Speaker 2: I don't even know about told booth will oh gosh.

1160
00:51:47,146 --> 00:51:50,026
Speaker 4: That that his the car song and you know, I

1161
00:51:50,106 --> 00:51:55,466
Speaker 4: mean he's I'm trying not to swear because the car song, yeah,

1162
00:51:55,666 --> 00:51:57,946
Speaker 4: that piece of yeah, that piece of car song. And

1163
00:51:59,066 --> 00:52:01,346
Speaker 4: when he's talking about the goat and he's so may

1164
00:52:01,426 --> 00:52:05,066
Speaker 4: you button? And then I mean just all of his movies,

1165
00:52:05,226 --> 00:52:08,226
Speaker 4: I mean are I mean that was during COVID we

1166
00:52:08,346 --> 00:52:09,906
Speaker 4: had an Adam Sandler like.

1167
00:52:10,226 --> 00:52:12,026
Speaker 1: Just the family that was all you guys did to

1168
00:52:12,106 --> 00:52:14,706
Speaker 1: go deep on Sandler and did the kids appreciate the

1169
00:52:14,826 --> 00:52:17,746
Speaker 1: early Billy Madison, Happy Gilmore or are they more than

1170
00:52:17,786 --> 00:52:18,706
Speaker 1: new Netflix stuff?

1171
00:52:19,026 --> 00:52:21,546
Speaker 4: No, they love them all. I mean the one he

1172
00:52:21,626 --> 00:52:23,666
Speaker 4: did with Jennifer Aniston. They love them all. You know that,

1173
00:52:23,746 --> 00:52:26,226
Speaker 4: they understand that. But it's funny going back to I mean,

1174
00:52:26,346 --> 00:52:28,506
Speaker 4: just showing them Happy Gilmore for the first time, Billy

1175
00:52:28,546 --> 00:52:30,866
Speaker 4: Madison for the first time, and my kids are like,

1176
00:52:30,906 --> 00:52:31,826
Speaker 4: what's up with the penguin?

1177
00:52:31,906 --> 00:52:34,306
Speaker 2: I don't get the I don't either, Like I don't

1178
00:52:34,306 --> 00:52:34,746
Speaker 2: get it either.

1179
00:52:35,226 --> 00:52:38,066
Speaker 4: That's the point, you know, I mean, but I mean

1180
00:52:38,146 --> 00:52:39,946
Speaker 4: going through that. I mean Adam Sandler, I think is

1181
00:52:40,746 --> 00:52:44,466
Speaker 4: one of the most legendary comedians ever. So I love

1182
00:52:44,546 --> 00:52:45,106
Speaker 4: them all. Right.

1183
00:52:45,306 --> 00:52:48,266
Speaker 1: That's this is my goal, you know, forget my own

1184
00:52:48,346 --> 00:52:50,986
Speaker 1: career accolades, forget what I want to see happen for

1185
00:52:51,026 --> 00:52:54,106
Speaker 1: this podcast A Good Morning Football. My goal is to

1186
00:52:54,226 --> 00:52:57,506
Speaker 1: get the Sandman with Nathaniel Hackett at for dinner one

1187
00:52:57,586 --> 00:52:58,186
Speaker 1: day in New York.

1188
00:52:58,546 --> 00:53:00,786
Speaker 2: We'll make this happen, my friend. It's it's a doable thing.

1189
00:53:00,986 --> 00:53:02,986
Speaker 2: There's gotta be a way. And he is a jetsman.

1190
00:53:04,066 --> 00:53:06,146
Speaker 4: I've heard the Him and method Man are two guys that,

1191
00:53:06,306 --> 00:53:08,746
Speaker 4: like I know, are Jets fans that I like I'm like,

1192
00:53:08,906 --> 00:53:09,706
Speaker 4: this is pretty cool.

1193
00:53:09,866 --> 00:53:11,906
Speaker 1: Okay, so you want Staten Island and method man and

1194
00:53:11,986 --> 00:53:13,986
Speaker 1: I believe I think Sandler's from New Hampshire.

1195
00:53:14,066 --> 00:53:16,906
Speaker 2: But his dad was a j that's the story. Yeah,

1196
00:53:17,026 --> 00:53:17,906
Speaker 2: dad was a Jets fan.

1197
00:53:18,026 --> 00:53:18,946
Speaker 4: Uh. Bro.

1198
00:53:19,066 --> 00:53:21,546
Speaker 2: I can't thank you enough. This was on your vacation week.

1199
00:53:21,706 --> 00:53:24,026
Speaker 1: I started off the podcast explaining how most people are

1200
00:53:24,106 --> 00:53:27,026
Speaker 1: away and you took some time to do this podcast

1201
00:53:27,106 --> 00:53:28,186
Speaker 1: with me and I've been wanting to do it for

1202
00:53:28,226 --> 00:53:28,586
Speaker 1: a while.

1203
00:53:28,946 --> 00:53:30,066
Speaker 2: Nathaniel Hackett, thank you.

1204
00:53:30,146 --> 00:53:30,266
Speaker 4: Man.

1205
00:53:30,306 --> 00:53:32,026
Speaker 1: You're a great dude and I cannot wait to see

1206
00:53:32,026 --> 00:53:33,866
Speaker 1: what you do with this Jets offense and Aaron Rodgers

1207
00:53:33,906 --> 00:53:34,226
Speaker 1: this year.

1208
00:53:34,586 --> 00:53:37,106
Speaker 4: Appreciate it. Thanks for having me and man, I love you.

1209
00:53:37,186 --> 00:53:39,786
Speaker 4: You know that, and hey, let's get it rolling.

1210
00:53:40,346 --> 00:53:44,066
Speaker 1: I'm a huge Hacket fan and I always like Aaron

1211
00:53:44,306 --> 00:53:46,986
Speaker 1: as we listen to him talk and all stuff, Like

1212
00:53:47,026 --> 00:53:48,746
Speaker 1: he was quick and short with the Denver stuff and

1213
00:53:48,746 --> 00:53:50,026
Speaker 1: I get it. It's like he's not going to go

1214
00:53:50,106 --> 00:53:52,386
Speaker 1: into the what that was and how that went down

1215
00:53:52,426 --> 00:53:54,586
Speaker 1: because there's just no reason for him to rehash it.

1216
00:53:54,666 --> 00:53:56,786
Speaker 1: But like I root for redemption. I root for a

1217
00:53:56,866 --> 00:53:58,746
Speaker 1: guy to get a chance. And he was like, it's

1218
00:53:59,146 --> 00:54:00,746
Speaker 1: it's not a chip on the shoulder type thing.

1219
00:54:00,826 --> 00:54:02,106
Speaker 2: But I don't know.

1220
00:54:02,306 --> 00:54:05,226
Speaker 1: When you hear him talk how passionately he feels about

1221
00:54:05,226 --> 00:54:08,386
Speaker 1: his players and the game and coaching, like it's hard

1222
00:54:08,466 --> 00:54:10,426
Speaker 1: not to think that a piece of him wants to

1223
00:54:11,466 --> 00:54:12,826
Speaker 1: wants to just kick ass this year.

1224
00:54:13,546 --> 00:54:15,946
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean he had a great a great

1225
00:54:15,946 --> 00:54:18,746
Speaker 3: attitude too, with like I'm gonna do everything I can

1226
00:54:18,866 --> 00:54:21,786
Speaker 3: to get these guys as ready as possible and then

1227
00:54:22,626 --> 00:54:25,306
Speaker 3: watch them like make the plays on the field.

1228
00:54:25,466 --> 00:54:28,266
Speaker 2: And uh yeah, I thought he was great.

1229
00:54:28,546 --> 00:54:30,826
Speaker 1: You know, when we talked to these coaches, sometimes they

1230
00:54:30,906 --> 00:54:33,426
Speaker 1: do give us incredible insights, and Hackett did in a

1231
00:54:33,466 --> 00:54:35,226
Speaker 1: lot of ways. But then there's also this part of

1232
00:54:35,266 --> 00:54:36,666
Speaker 1: them where it's like, at the end of the day,

1233
00:54:37,666 --> 00:54:39,346
Speaker 1: I'm like, talk about an Aaron Rodgers play. He's just

1234
00:54:39,386 --> 00:54:40,826
Speaker 1: geeking out on it also like us.

1235
00:54:40,866 --> 00:54:41,426
Speaker 2: And I remember that.

1236
00:54:41,426 --> 00:54:43,866
Speaker 1: Passed to Jimal Williams that he references in the back

1237
00:54:43,906 --> 00:54:45,826
Speaker 1: of the end zone. And it was on a Sunday

1238
00:54:45,906 --> 00:54:47,786
Speaker 1: night and it was the Packers versus the Chiefs and

1239
00:54:47,826 --> 00:54:49,946
Speaker 1: Mahomes was out, so Matt Moore was in and it

1240
00:54:50,026 --> 00:54:51,506
Speaker 1: was a good game and went back and forth. And

1241
00:54:51,586 --> 00:54:53,506
Speaker 1: then this past happens, and like.

1242
00:54:53,786 --> 00:54:54,786
Speaker 2: Do you hear Hacket talk about it?

1243
00:54:54,826 --> 00:54:56,786
Speaker 1: And it was one of those great stories where Lafloor

1244
00:54:56,906 --> 00:54:59,866
Speaker 1: is like, see, I told you I called it right mother.

1245
00:54:59,946 --> 00:55:03,746
Speaker 2: Ever, no you didn't. He just nailed you out. It's

1246
00:55:03,826 --> 00:55:04,426
Speaker 2: just Rogers.

1247
00:55:05,906 --> 00:55:08,066
Speaker 1: Gosh, it's got to be cool to coach a player

1248
00:55:08,226 --> 00:55:10,706
Speaker 1: with those talents. But also what he's stressed a lot

1249
00:55:10,786 --> 00:55:13,146
Speaker 1: in that interview, having it all upstairs too.

1250
00:55:13,826 --> 00:55:17,866
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, it's amazing hearing about the cerebral parts of

1251
00:55:18,066 --> 00:55:23,306
Speaker 3: Rogers's game, and that's something that ideally translates as he

1252
00:55:23,386 --> 00:55:23,866
Speaker 3: gets older.

1253
00:55:23,906 --> 00:55:24,026
Speaker 4: Too.

1254
00:55:24,106 --> 00:55:26,466
Speaker 3: It's not like he's gonna lose that. It's not like it's,

1255
00:55:26,626 --> 00:55:29,306
Speaker 3: you know, an arm strength thing or like his running ability.

1256
00:55:30,386 --> 00:55:33,346
Speaker 3: So yeah, got me, got me nervous about the Jets

1257
00:55:33,346 --> 00:55:33,986
Speaker 3: season some more.

1258
00:55:34,306 --> 00:55:36,386
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're a Bills fan in Dolphins fans and

1259
00:55:36,426 --> 00:55:38,546
Speaker 1: Patriots fans, you hear that and you're like, Eh, that's tough.

1260
00:55:39,186 --> 00:55:42,506
Speaker 2: All right, We're gonna wrap right here. Aaron, You're awesome,

1261
00:55:42,546 --> 00:55:44,266
Speaker 2: Thanks for doing this. I know everyone's kind.

1262
00:55:44,146 --> 00:55:46,946
Speaker 1: Of checked out in football world, but I thought Hackett

1263
00:55:46,986 --> 00:55:49,226
Speaker 1: was great. We're gonna have another one next week, hopefully

1264
00:55:49,266 --> 00:55:50,946
Speaker 1: the one next the week after that. July fourth, like,

1265
00:55:51,746 --> 00:55:53,826
Speaker 1: guys are around now. Hackett was filming this from like

1266
00:55:53,866 --> 00:55:56,946
Speaker 1: a farmhouse. They're around, They're not they're not locked into

1267
00:55:56,986 --> 00:55:59,386
Speaker 1: the facility. I mean, that was the saddest part. I'm like, so,

1268
00:55:59,466 --> 00:56:00,746
Speaker 1: what do you think of New Jersey And he's like, well,

1269
00:56:00,746 --> 00:56:03,626
Speaker 1: I haven't really gotten out much. I'm like, dude, I'm

1270
00:56:03,706 --> 00:56:07,346
Speaker 1: like it out, like, oh, he's gonna enjoy it. But Aaron,

1271
00:56:07,426 --> 00:56:11,146
Speaker 1: thank you, Jason English from iHeart, thank you, Grace Fuse,

1272
00:56:11,546 --> 00:56:13,346
Speaker 1: who's wonderful with the editing on this stuff. And then

1273
00:56:13,346 --> 00:56:15,786
Speaker 1: the NFL Network folks, who gosh, guys, this went on

1274
00:56:15,866 --> 00:56:18,826
Speaker 1: YouTube last week, the Quasy one and it went bananas.

1275
00:56:19,106 --> 00:56:20,906
Speaker 2: So it's gonna be on YouTube. We're hoping that we

1276
00:56:20,946 --> 00:56:22,746
Speaker 2: can do that as often as possible. There's videos.

1277
00:56:22,786 --> 00:56:25,746
Speaker 1: So that's Jason Kleinman, that's Matt Schneider, that's Meredith Batton,

1278
00:56:25,826 --> 00:56:31,346
Speaker 1: that's David Juranka. Find folks over there at the NFL Network, guys,

1279
00:56:31,666 --> 00:56:33,546
Speaker 1: it's the season with Peter Schreger and some of our

1280
00:56:33,586 --> 00:56:35,226
Speaker 1: best stuff's gonna be in the off season because these

1281
00:56:35,266 --> 00:56:37,586
Speaker 1: coaches and gms are down to talk and go long

1282
00:56:37,666 --> 00:56:39,026
Speaker 1: and they don't have to be out on the field

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Speaker 1: and coach in five minutes. So I hope you enjoyed

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Speaker 1: this one with Nathaniel Hackett and Jets fans.

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Speaker 2: I think you guys got a good one. Till next week,

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 1: The season with Peter Schrager is for production of the

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