WEBVTT - Christmas Trees Beneath the Sea

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind. My name

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<v Speaker 2>is Robert Lamb.

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<v Speaker 3>And I am Joe McCormick, and we have.

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<v Speaker 2>A special holiday episode here for you today. It does

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<v Speaker 2>concern Christmas trees of a sort. We have, of course

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<v Speaker 2>talked about Christmas trees plenty of times on Stuff to

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<v Speaker 2>Blow Your Mind in the past. I think the most

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<v Speaker 2>recent installment being an episode we did a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>years back, holiday inventions, Christmas tree lights, tinsel and angels.

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<v Speaker 2>We've talked about Christmas trees and connection to sacred trees

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<v Speaker 2>in the past, but today we're going to find our

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<v Speaker 2>Christmas trees in an all new location. We are going

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<v Speaker 2>to venture beneath the sea.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, it's mule tied in the deep today.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, deep down in the ocean in some cases, deep

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<v Speaker 2>in the ocean where it's that Cuthulhu waits dreaming. But

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<v Speaker 2>just maybe maybe he's dreaming of a white Christmas.

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<v Speaker 3>He's dreaming of that red writer be begun.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that'd we come around to Christmas trees under

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<v Speaker 2>the sea. Well, credit where credits due. We had a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of lead INDs to this one of the organisms

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to cover here is one that was already

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<v Speaker 2>on your radar and is also something that I've observed

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<v Speaker 2>in the wild before. And then another source of inspiration

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<v Speaker 2>was a twenty twenty one j Store Daily article by

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<v Speaker 2>Sierra Garcia titled Meet the Christmas Tree Doppelgangers of the Sea. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously with a title like that, you know I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to give the post a second look.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Doppelganger, of course, being the German double walker, the uncanny,

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<v Speaker 2>sinister and perhaps doom harboragering duplication of self. Christmas, with

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<v Speaker 2>its hidden depths of darkness, seems a great place for

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<v Speaker 2>such creatures to wander around. But of course it's not

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<v Speaker 2>about actual doppelgangers. It's about things in the ocean that

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<v Speaker 2>may or may not resemble Christmas trees, depending on how

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<v Speaker 2>much you want to see Christmas in them.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, my daughter is two years old now, and

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<v Speaker 3>so this is going to be her first, her first

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<v Speaker 3>really conscious Christmas, the one that I think she's really

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<v Speaker 3>going to be very aware of. And of course at

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<v Speaker 3>her age, I'm constantly thinking about like the recognition of objects,

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<v Speaker 3>because she likes to point to things and either ask

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<v Speaker 3>what's that or to say what the thing she's pointing

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<v Speaker 3>at is, And a lot of times it's not the

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<v Speaker 3>thing she says it is, but you can see the resemblance.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I'm constantly thinking about the minimum visual criteria

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<v Speaker 3>to associate a shape or some kind of sight with

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<v Speaker 3>an object or a concept that she already has. And

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<v Speaker 3>one of them now is Christmas trees. And so like,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm wondering what kind of triangular thing this week, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>she'll point out is that Christmas tree? And we're sort

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<v Speaker 3>of playing the same game now, aren't we.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean you've got to call these organisms something, right,

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<v Speaker 2>We've encountered examples of this before. You know, everything is

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<v Speaker 2>an apple, according to Western explorers, some version of an apple,

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<v Speaker 2>be it pine or otherwise. But you know, on another level,

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<v Speaker 2>all of this kind of connects with the ancient notion

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<v Speaker 2>that we've discussed in the show before, the idea that

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<v Speaker 2>if you look into the water, if you gaze deep

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<v Speaker 2>into it, you're going to inevitably fine twins of things

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<v Speaker 2>that exist above the water. You're going to find lions

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<v Speaker 2>of the sea, cows of the sea, and so much

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<v Speaker 2>more so. Maybe it's not all that off the mark anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>that there are doppelgangers Christmas tree doppelgangers in the deep,

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<v Speaker 2>because we have Christmas trees up here, so they must

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<v Speaker 2>exist in the mirror realm beneath the waves.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right. Well, are you ready to kick things off

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<v Speaker 3>with my example here?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Yes, this is a fun one. This is probably

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<v Speaker 2>the one that's instantly coming to some folks mind out there,

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<v Speaker 2>especially folks who have done a little snorkeling and scuba diving.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we're going to start in the place you might

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<v Speaker 3>expect for undersea Christmas trees, and that is James Cameron's

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<v Speaker 3>Avatar from two thousand and nine. I know, I was

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<v Speaker 3>actually so reading an article about this that was linked

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<v Speaker 3>in that Jay Store Daily you mentioned earlier. But this

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<v Speaker 3>was a short article that was mainly just promoing a

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<v Speaker 3>conference presentation, but it had some interesting behind the scenes

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<v Speaker 3>details about the making of Avatar. Who was called of

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<v Speaker 3>plants in film by Tanya Marion in The Botanical Artist

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<v Speaker 3>twenty fifteen. And so I was talking about when Cameron

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<v Speaker 3>was setting out to design the world of Avatar, he

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to achieve some degree of biological plausibility, and the

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<v Speaker 3>movie is set on a planet. Actually, I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>supposed to be a moon called Pandora, which he was

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<v Speaker 3>originally imagining as a place with low light conditions and

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<v Speaker 3>a toxic atmosphere, so it would have kind of different

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<v Speaker 3>different material pressures applying to the biosphere, maybe leading to

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<v Speaker 3>different forms of life than we have here on Earth.

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<v Speaker 3>And so in trying to dream up these life forms,

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<v Speaker 3>he consulted with a plant physiologist from u SE Riverside

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<v Speaker 3>named Jody Holt to help imagine the botany of the

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<v Speaker 3>alien biosphere. It's kind of interesting how the plants they

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<v Speaker 3>dreamed up in some way resemble life forms that are

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<v Speaker 3>found not on the surface of Earth, but underneath Earth's oceans.

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<v Speaker 3>So the movie features in some scenes a type of

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<v Speaker 3>large ground flora I think within the sort of in

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<v Speaker 3>universe lore. It's they call it like a zoo botanical

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<v Speaker 3>or something like that. It's sort of like an animal

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<v Speaker 3>plant combination. But whatever it is, it basically seems plant formed.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a piece of large ground flora with spiral shaped

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<v Speaker 3>foliage and in the universe of the movie it's called

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<v Speaker 3>helicoradium spirally And in the movie we see that this

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<v Speaker 3>plant has an unusual reaction to activity in its environment.

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<v Speaker 3>When it is physically disturbed. These fan out, corkscrew shaped

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<v Speaker 3>leaves rapidly recoil and fold up into almost nothingness. So

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<v Speaker 3>you can be standing in the middle of a little

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<v Speaker 3>grove of these things and suddenly they all fold up

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<v Speaker 3>and you can see everything around you. It's a touch

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<v Speaker 3>me not reflex.

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<v Speaker 2>Very impressive effects in play here, particularly nice on the

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<v Speaker 2>big screen and in three D. You know, say what

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<v Speaker 2>you will about the Avatar films, but there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of fantastic biological world building going on in them. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a great example of one of the organisms

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<v Speaker 2>that Cameron unleashes on us.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And so it turns out this was one of

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<v Speaker 3>the biological elements of the movie that was inspired by

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<v Speaker 3>organisms that actually exist in nature, not so much a plant,

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<v Speaker 3>but by an animal, the real animal called Spirobranchus giganteus,

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<v Speaker 3>or the Christmas tree worm. And that's the animal that

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<v Speaker 3>I want to talk about for a minute here. So

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<v Speaker 3>first of all, your mind, if it works like mine,

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<v Speaker 3>might be looking in the wrong direction here, because when

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<v Speaker 3>I hear Christmas tree worm, for some reason, to me,

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<v Speaker 3>it sounds like the name of a pest animal that

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<v Speaker 3>is named after the crop that it is most notorious

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<v Speaker 3>for infesting and consuming, So like the tobacco hornworm or

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<v Speaker 3>the potato tuber worm. These are in reality both moth

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<v Speaker 3>species that in their larval stages feed on night shade

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<v Speaker 3>plants like the ones in their names, and other night

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<v Speaker 3>shade plants as well. But you know, humans kind of

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<v Speaker 3>have a sometimes a kind of economic agricultural mindset in

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<v Speaker 3>interfacing with wildlife, so they can sort of name animals

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<v Speaker 3>after the crop that that animal is causing them problems with.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like Christmas tree worms have ravaged the harvest again,

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be a tough winner exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>But the Christmas tree worm is not a caterpillar that

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<v Speaker 3>infests Christmas tree farms. Instead, it is a marine tubeworm

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<v Speaker 3>that lives on the surface of coral reefs. And so

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<v Speaker 3>what's the association. Well, these animals are named after Christmas

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<v Speaker 3>trees because they look like Christmas trees. And yet sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>these naming conventions are a bit of a stretch, But

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<v Speaker 3>for my part, I think it's close enough. I think

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<v Speaker 3>these worms really do kind of remind me of Christmas trees.

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<v Speaker 3>Though I will qualify that, and my qualification is that

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<v Speaker 3>it's not so much that they resemble the actual species

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<v Speaker 3>of evergreens, which are usually fir trees that we use

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<v Speaker 3>as Christmas decorations. The only way in which I'd say

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<v Speaker 3>they actually evoke the trees themselves is in general shape.

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<v Speaker 3>So like Christmas trees, the part of these worms you

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<v Speaker 3>can see is a cone which is widest at the

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<v Speaker 3>base and the narrows towards the top, and it does

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<v Speaker 3>sort of have branches branches radiating for my central trunk

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<v Speaker 3>or spine. They're also sort of needly needly branches, which

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<v Speaker 3>you could compare to evergreen pine needle texture, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>not exactly a perfect match when you look at it. Instead,

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<v Speaker 3>I think the main way that they remind me and

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<v Speaker 3>remind other people of Christmas trees is that they mimic

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<v Speaker 3>a popular style of Christmas tree decoration, especially from years past,

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<v Speaker 3>which is that you would have a string of lights

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<v Speaker 3>or a brightly colored garland wrapped around the tree in

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<v Speaker 3>a spiral pattern. I've got a couple of examples for

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<v Speaker 3>you to look at here, Rob. I don't really know

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<v Speaker 3>that much about historical patterns of Christmas tree decoration, but

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<v Speaker 3>this reads to me as a more old style way

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<v Speaker 3>of decorating a Christmas tree. I associate it with like

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<v Speaker 3>the nineteen thirties or forties.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, And I guess maybe some of this survived.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I'm looking at this. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 2>when this style of tree decoration dies out or then

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<v Speaker 2>again resurges again. For that matter, I'm not sure where

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<v Speaker 2>we are now. We don't put a tremendous amount of

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<v Speaker 2>thought into it. We just throw up the tree and

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<v Speaker 2>we put our favorite decorations up and call it a day.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah. My family never had a spiral garland on

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<v Speaker 3>our trees, so it's not something I remember from personal experience.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like I've seen it in older media, which

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<v Speaker 3>is maybe why I think of it as something that's older.

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<v Speaker 2>We might have had a spiral garland, or maybe my

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<v Speaker 2>grandmother did. I don't remember, but it feels like something

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen in my life done somewhere. Hard to get

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<v Speaker 2>excited about the garland, though, especially as a kid, because

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<v Speaker 2>it's the individual ornaments and the lights that have all

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<v Speaker 2>of the personality.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, especially for people with brains like yours and mind.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you and I were both like the illustrated

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<v Speaker 3>dictionary kind of kids. We like things with lots of

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<v Speaker 3>little individual in trees with the little illustration and explanation,

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<v Speaker 3>And that's kind of what the individual ornaments feel like

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<v Speaker 3>to me. I like individual ornaments with personality.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I think that's a good way opening it.

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<v Speaker 3>But coming back to the Christmas tree worm, So if

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<v Speaker 3>you do a search for pictures of this worm, you

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<v Speaker 3>will find plenty of stunning underwater photos of coral reef

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<v Speaker 3>surfaces speckled with multi colored pairs of spiral Christmas trees,

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<v Speaker 3>each pair branching in a fork. So what you'll see

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<v Speaker 3>are two little Christmas trees right beside one another with

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<v Speaker 3>the same coloration. Now, each pair has a different coloration

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<v Speaker 3>from the other ones around it, but within the pair,

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<v Speaker 3>the two little trees next to each other that are

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<v Speaker 3>growing in a V shape split at the base, those

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<v Speaker 3>will be the same color usually. And one important thing

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<v Speaker 3>to emphasize is that the Christmas trees that you're seeing

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<v Speaker 3>are not the whole of the organism. Each pair of

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<v Speaker 3>Christmas trees represents the two crowns, or feeding and breathing

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<v Speaker 3>appendages of a worm, the main cylindrical body of which

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<v Speaker 3>is hidden in a tube in the coral right beneath

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<v Speaker 3>where the trees emerge. And whether or not you think

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<v Speaker 3>they look like Christmas trees, these things are beautiful. I

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<v Speaker 3>know they're especially popular as a site for like scuba

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<v Speaker 3>divers and snorkelers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've got to observe these in the wild before

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<v Speaker 2>snorkeling and Belize and in Roatan. They're one of the

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<v Speaker 2>smaller pleasures of snorkeling in the shallows, and honestly, that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's what I'm all about. When it comes to snorkeling.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really I don't really want to see anything big,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, unless it's like a big coral formation. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I see a bigger fish, it's it's neat. But I

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<v Speaker 2>often spend my time with looking around for those little details,

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<v Speaker 2>things that are you know, curling about inside the reefs

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<v Speaker 2>and the rocks and and and you know, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's one of the things that makes something like a

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<v Speaker 2>Christmas tree worm special. Now, in terms of whether they

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<v Speaker 2>look like Christmas trees, I don't know. Obviously, It's one

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<v Speaker 2>of those things where I knew what they were called,

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<v Speaker 2>but as they were pointed out to me, so I

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't help but bring Christmas tree into the scenario. But

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<v Speaker 2>the ones I remember looking at I tended to think

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<v Speaker 2>more of like bristle cleaner for straws and tubes.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, but gorgeously decorated.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like I don't remember them being the one I saw,

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<v Speaker 2>mind you as colorful as the ones I see in

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<v Speaker 2>some of these photos. But on the other hand, underwater

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<v Speaker 2>photography is very much a lighting game. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>guess all photography is a lighting game, and you know

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<v Speaker 2>what you actually see with your own eyes and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>less than optimal lighting conditions in the water. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>they're not going to necessarily match up with what you see,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in somebody's showcase of underwater photography. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they still they do have a lot of character, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's something sneaky and whimsical about them. A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the things in the water don't want to be seen

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<v Speaker 2>and will do what they can passively or actively to

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<v Speaker 2>avoid a clumsy human and a mask and a snorkel

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<v Speaker 2>from seeing them. But Christmas tree worms tend to feel

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<v Speaker 2>just a little extra cheeky in the way they hide

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<v Speaker 2>from us.

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<v Speaker 3>Like they're not just hiding from you, they're almost kind

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<v Speaker 3>of playing peekaboo, maybe playing yeah hard to get Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>There is like a peekaboo feel to them, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, yeah, yeah, you know. I was reading some guides

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<v Speaker 3>to marine life and coral reef life that we're talking

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<v Speaker 3>about people who try to get photos of these things,

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<v Speaker 3>and apparently there's somewhat They're sensitive to multiple things, including

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<v Speaker 3>changes in light conditions. So maybe if a shadow falls

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<v Speaker 3>under them, they could retract, or if the flash of

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<v Speaker 3>a camera goes off, they could retract, and then slowly

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<v Speaker 3>over time, after they retract, they'll sort of re emerge.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I think there might be some patience involved

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<v Speaker 3>in trying to get up close and see them or

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<v Speaker 3>to take a good photo of them, to kind of

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<v Speaker 3>wait for them to come back out after you have

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<v Speaker 3>spooked them the first time. But then another thing I

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<v Speaker 3>saw in one of the sources I was reading was

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<v Speaker 3>that how skittish they are might well depend on their surroundings.

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<v Speaker 3>Like the ones that are in shallower, more turbulent waters,

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<v Speaker 3>I think tend to be a little less skittish than

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<v Speaker 3>the ones that are in deeper, more calm and stable waters,

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<v Speaker 3>which sort of makes sense. Yeah, but anyway, Okay, so

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<v Speaker 3>what's the biological rundown on the Christmas tree worm. It

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<v Speaker 3>is a relative small polychete worm that lives the entirety

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<v Speaker 3>of its adult life with the majority of its body

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<v Speaker 3>hidden inside a calcareous tube that it makes initially on

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<v Speaker 3>the surface of a rock or more often a coral reef,

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<v Speaker 3>and then the tube can kind of become subsumed within

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<v Speaker 3>the coral as the coral grows, and then the worm

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<v Speaker 3>and its tube grows up along with the coral, so

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<v Speaker 3>it begins life in a short planktonic larval phase, floating around,

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<v Speaker 3>after which it lands somewhere on the reef secretes a

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<v Speaker 3>tube made of mucus, which it lives in for a bit,

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<v Speaker 3>and over time that mucous tube becomes cemented with solid minerals,

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<v Speaker 3>and then within that tube, the Christmas tree worm metamorphoses

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<v Speaker 3>and grows into its adult form, where it will live

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<v Speaker 3>the rest of its life, growing with the structure of

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<v Speaker 3>the reef, safe and secure and covered inside its tube

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<v Speaker 3>by a nice lubricating blanket of mucus. I've seen different

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<v Speaker 3>estimates on size range. According to a post by the NOAA,

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<v Speaker 3>on average, these worms are less than four centimeters long,

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<v Speaker 3>but according to marine biologists Eugene Kaplan in his book

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<v Speaker 3>A Field Guide to Coral Reefs from nineteen ninety nine.

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<v Speaker 3>Their body length can reach up to twelve centimeters or

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<v Speaker 3>about five inches either way. They are small, but they're

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<v Speaker 3>easy to spot because they're very colorful, and in some

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<v Speaker 3>cases because of rapid changes that you can observe with them,

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<v Speaker 3>most often them disappearing suddenly. So the exposed parts the

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<v Speaker 3>two Christmas trees are two tentacles or crowns, and I've

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<v Speaker 3>also seen them called gill plumes, arranged in a spiral

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<v Speaker 3>or whirl pattern, which themselves contain what's called a bipinnate

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<v Speaker 3>arrangement of hair like or needle like protrusions called radioles.

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<v Speaker 3>And then those little needle protrusions are themselves perpendicularly covered

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<v Speaker 3>in other smaller protrusions called pinules or cilia. So you

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<v Speaker 3>can imagine a kind of fern shape. You know, you

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<v Speaker 3>have the main stalk going out, and then you have

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<v Speaker 3>branches going out from that stalk, and then out from

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<v Speaker 3>the branches you got the little leaves projecting at a

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<v Speaker 3>ninety degree angle. So these radioles covered in the cilia,

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<v Speaker 3>the worm fans them out in this spiral pattern and

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<v Speaker 3>then beats them in the water to catch floating phytoplankton

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<v Speaker 3>and other bits of biological particle matter that will become

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<v Speaker 3>the worm's food. The little pins sort of they catch

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<v Speaker 3>hold of bits of organic stuff suspended in the water,

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<v Speaker 3>and then they sort of transport those particles in a

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<v Speaker 3>stream in little ridges along the surface of the worlds

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<v Speaker 3>down to the worm's mouth. Delicious. So imagine kind of

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<v Speaker 3>a spiral Christmas tree that gradually sucks in all of

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<v Speaker 3>its ornaments, sucks the ornaments down the branches and then

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<v Speaker 3>down the trunk and eats them.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it sometimes works like that if you have

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<v Speaker 2>a cat and Christmas tree.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, these structures are not only for filter feeding, they're

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<v Speaker 3>also for breathing. They are the worm's gills, and so

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<v Speaker 3>the worm uses these radioals to extract dissolved oxygen from

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<v Speaker 3>the water. Now, the activity that makes the Christmas tree

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<v Speaker 3>worm notable as an inspiration for the plants in Avatar

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<v Speaker 3>is the touch me not reflex. You know, when it

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<v Speaker 3>senses danger through multiple types of stimuli, it can rapidly

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<v Speaker 3>retract its two Christmas trees into the hole where it

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<v Speaker 3>lives and on top of that it can also shut

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<v Speaker 3>the door behind it. It has a flat body structure,

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes capped with some sort of horny surface called an operculum,

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<v Speaker 3>which it can slam shut over the opening of its tube.

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<v Speaker 3>And we've talked about this adaptation the operculum in other species,

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<v Speaker 3>such as snails. Snails sometimes have an operculum that they

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<v Speaker 3>can use to cover the opening of their shell. Serves

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<v Speaker 3>the same purpose, but of course, in the case of

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<v Speaker 3>a snail, the shell is mobile. Here we'd be talking

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<v Speaker 3>about a stationary tube on a substrate for a sedentary organism.

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<v Speaker 3>We also talked about it in our episodes on hermit crabs,

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<v Speaker 3>because in some cases the hermit crab will have one

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<v Speaker 3>claw that is so made that it functions as an

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<v Speaker 3>operculum at the opening of the shell.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, It's perfect little lid for their shell.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right. So the operculum is a biological adaptation for

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<v Speaker 3>slamming the door shut. Now, I wanted to shout out

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<v Speaker 3>an interesting sort of ecological fact that I became aware

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<v Speaker 3>of because I saw it in a PBS Nova segment,

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<v Speaker 3>So thank you Nova. But the interesting thing is that

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<v Speaker 3>there is some evidence that the relationship between the Christmas

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<v Speaker 3>tree worm and the coral reef on which it lives

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<v Speaker 3>goes both ways. Now, of course you can see how

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<v Speaker 3>the worm benefits. The worm benefits from the coral skeleton structure,

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<v Speaker 3>which of course provides it, you know, rigid protection against

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<v Speaker 3>against predators, and you know, the tube it can live in,

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<v Speaker 3>but also as it grows, it lifts it up into

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<v Speaker 3>the water where it can have access to better waters

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<v Speaker 3>for filter feeding. But the coral itself may also benefit

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<v Speaker 3>from having Christmas tree worms all over it, because apparently

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<v Speaker 3>the Christmas tree worms can provide a kind of protection

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<v Speaker 3>for the coral against one of the coral's major predators.

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<v Speaker 3>And that predator is the crown of thorns starfish aka

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<v Speaker 3>Acanthaster plantsy or plunky p l A n c I.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'll just say crown of thorns starfish because boy

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<v Speaker 3>is the the epicness of that name appropriate. So imagine

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<v Speaker 3>kind of a cross between a giant sunflower and an

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<v Speaker 3>iron maiden turned inside out. These things are are absolutely

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<v Speaker 3>from the hell razor universe, extremely wicked. They might. They're large,

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<v Speaker 3>they might be roughly a foot and a half in

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<v Speaker 3>diameter on average, coated in spikes, and what they do

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<v Speaker 3>is they crawl over the surface of the coral reef

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<v Speaker 3>just mowing. There's mowing the lawn, eating everything they can.

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<v Speaker 3>According to that Nova segment, these giant starfish are in

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<v Speaker 3>part responsible for the major decline of living coral within

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<v Speaker 3>the Great Barrier reef. There are other factors at work

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<v Speaker 3>as well, but when these things get going, a sort

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<v Speaker 3>of explosion in the population of these coral predators can

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<v Speaker 3>clean out a reef of living corals. And so the

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<v Speaker 3>whole ventral surface, the underside of the starfish you can

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<v Speaker 3>kind of think of as a vast digestive organ complex

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<v Speaker 3>containing tube feet and this inverted stomach inside out stomach system.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's just the underside of it is foreat it

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<v Speaker 3>is just going to devour the coral underneath. And it

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<v Speaker 3>turns out there's some evidence that if it comes to

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<v Speaker 3>a part of a coral reef where there are Christmas

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<v Speaker 3>tree worms, the Christmas tree worms can protect the corals

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<v Speaker 3>directly underneath them because they get in the way of

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<v Speaker 3>the starfish feeding and in fact they irritate the starfish's

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<v Speaker 3>feeding organs. I looked up a paper, so I was

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<v Speaker 3>trying to find the paper that was the source of

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<v Speaker 3>this observation, and I found one published in the Marine

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<v Speaker 3>Ecology Progress Series from nineteen eighty six by Devantier at

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<v Speaker 3>All called does spiro Bronchus gigantius protect host porities from

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<v Speaker 3>predation by acinhaster planky predator pressure as a mechanism of coevolution?

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<v Speaker 3>And I was looking for the part of the paper

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<v Speaker 3>that describes exactly how this works. I found it in

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<v Speaker 3>their results section where they say, quote preliminary field experiments

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<v Speaker 3>indicate that for certain worms, contact by acinhaster planky induces

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<v Speaker 3>retraction followed by almost immediate reappearance with the operculum and

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<v Speaker 3>bronchial crown pushing against the tube, feet and arms of

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<v Speaker 3>the starfish. This caused the predator to move quickly away.

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<v Speaker 3>So something about what these worms like poking it at

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<v Speaker 3>their tube feed and the averted stomach. The starfish do

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<v Speaker 3>not like the worms messing with them, and so this

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<v Speaker 3>can have the effect of protecting the corals that are

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<v Speaker 3>situated right around where the worms are. And so it's

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<v Speaker 3>not going to protect the reef totally from being mowed

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<v Speaker 3>by the starfish, but what it can do is make

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<v Speaker 3>sure that some corals are left alive on the reef,

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<v Speaker 3>and that those corals left alive around the worms, protected

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<v Speaker 3>by the worms, can reseed the rest of the reef

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<v Speaker 3>structure with living coral once again.

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<v Speaker 2>M fascinating. So they're holding down their turf, which could

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<v Speaker 2>allow the overall reef to then grow and heal later. Yes, fascinating.

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't know, we've been thinking about trees a

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<v Speaker 3>lot lately. Z apotropaic magic? Is there something here protective

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<v Speaker 3>kind of? You know, the coral reef's got its own

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<v Speaker 3>protective amulet, Except I guess it's not magic. It's just

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<v Speaker 3>like literally keeping the starfish from absolutely devouring every inch

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<v Speaker 3>of its life.

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<v Speaker 2>It would be like if your Christmas tree protected your

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<v Speaker 2>house by coming alive in the night, yeah, and fighting

0:24:20.840 --> 0:24:25.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, weird alpine demons that might venture into your home.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, It's like if aliens wanted to come over your

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<v Speaker 3>house and suck all of the people out of it.

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<v Speaker 3>If the Christmas tree that you had like poked the

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<v Speaker 3>alien ship and irritated it and made it go away.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go.

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<v Speaker 3>So that does it for Christmas tree worms. But I

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<v Speaker 3>know we had some other organisms we were going to

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<v Speaker 3>talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, This next one is one that I learned

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<v Speaker 2>about in that Jaystore Daily post that I referenced earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's very much still in the world of coral.

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<v Speaker 2>Christmas Tree coral, a cold water black coral discovered apparently

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<v Speaker 2>in the mid two thousands. Some of you may be wondering,

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<v Speaker 2>what is a black coral? Like, what does this even mean? Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know a reminder that generally, you know, corals, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>are animals, like we've been discussing, and if you've gotten

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<v Speaker 2>out into the water, you're probably mostly familiar with the

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<v Speaker 2>vibrant corals, and you know sometimes the bleached corals and

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<v Speaker 2>shallow coastal environments. But what are black corals? Well? As

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<v Speaker 2>the NAA article Black Corals of Hawaii by Anthony Montgomery

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<v Speaker 2>points out black corals or thorn corals, which are officially

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<v Speaker 2>known as antipatharia, are found all over the world and

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<v Speaker 2>at varying depths, so you don't have to go into

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<v Speaker 2>the deep waters to find them, but they're often noted

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<v Speaker 2>for their presence in deep sea environments. Despite their name,

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<v Speaker 2>they are rarely actually black. I'll get to why we

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<v Speaker 2>still call them black corals in spite of this, But

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<v Speaker 2>they can be various even bright colors, and their shapes

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<v Speaker 2>also vary wildly. A key difference, however, between black corals

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<v Speaker 2>and the stony corals that I think more people are

0:26:12.359 --> 0:26:16.240
<v Speaker 2>familiar with, is that black corals have a skeleton made

0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:21.160
<v Speaker 2>of protein and kitan. This skeleton is black, no matter

0:26:21.200 --> 0:26:24.320
<v Speaker 2>what color the outer layers are, and that's the reason

0:26:24.359 --> 0:26:26.840
<v Speaker 2>they end up with this name. So they have black skeletons,

0:26:27.560 --> 0:26:29.640
<v Speaker 2>but they may have any number of colors on top

0:26:29.680 --> 0:26:34.680
<v Speaker 2>of that skeleton. I see now, Montgomery and that NA

0:26:34.840 --> 0:26:40.480
<v Speaker 2>article stresses that black corals do not have symbiotic algae

0:26:41.080 --> 0:26:45.120
<v Speaker 2>associated with them, and they don't require light, thus their

0:26:45.160 --> 0:26:48.920
<v Speaker 2>ability to survive at greater depths. And they are apparently

0:26:49.040 --> 0:26:52.440
<v Speaker 2>something like two hundred known species of black coral. Now

0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:55.280
<v Speaker 2>the Christmas tree black coral in question here is a

0:26:55.320 --> 0:27:02.840
<v Speaker 2>particular species Antipathus Dindo christos in nomine patre. That's not

0:27:02.920 --> 0:27:05.399
<v Speaker 2>part of it, but it sounds very Catholic, doesn't it.

0:27:05.560 --> 0:27:08.360
<v Speaker 3>Dendro Christo's that's got to literally mean Christmas tree.

0:27:08.440 --> 0:27:11.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, this is one. I'm gonna get to another

0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:14.560
<v Speaker 2>organism later where not everybody seems to be associated with

0:27:14.640 --> 0:27:16.360
<v Speaker 2>Christmas as far as I can understand. But this one,

0:27:16.359 --> 0:27:19.959
<v Speaker 2>it's right there in the official name, Okay. According to

0:27:20.240 --> 0:27:25.160
<v Speaker 2>environmental factors that influence the distribution, size, and biotic relationships

0:27:25.160 --> 0:27:29.199
<v Speaker 2>of the Christmas tree coral antipathis dindel Christos in the

0:27:29.240 --> 0:27:31.720
<v Speaker 2>southern California bye by huff at All. This is in

0:27:32.000 --> 0:27:35.800
<v Speaker 2>Marine Ecology Progress Series twenty thirteen. The Christmas tree coral

0:27:35.960 --> 0:27:41.000
<v Speaker 2>is an uncommon, long lived colonial coral that typically supports

0:27:41.040 --> 0:27:45.280
<v Speaker 2>a diverse population of marine life forms. This, of course,

0:27:45.560 --> 0:27:47.600
<v Speaker 2>is one of the reasons that there are a number

0:27:47.600 --> 0:27:50.199
<v Speaker 2>of studies looking at it, because there's a lot more

0:27:50.240 --> 0:27:53.000
<v Speaker 2>to learn about them and a lot of organisms depend

0:27:53.080 --> 0:27:55.399
<v Speaker 2>on them. But why do we call it a Christmas

0:27:55.440 --> 0:27:59.639
<v Speaker 2>tree coral? What is even remotely Christmasy about it? Well,

0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:02.800
<v Speaker 2>while your mind may easily turn to an image of

0:28:02.800 --> 0:28:05.560
<v Speaker 2>a green tree, you know, draped in silver tassels and

0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:09.240
<v Speaker 2>multicolored lights, the Christmas tree it's named for is actually

0:28:09.320 --> 0:28:13.560
<v Speaker 2>one of those artificially frosted, you know, white flocked Christmas trees,

0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:15.640
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm talking about. These are the ones

0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:18.080
<v Speaker 2>where the idea is that the tree is supposed to

0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:24.080
<v Speaker 2>look like a frost covered tree in the forest, very

0:28:24.160 --> 0:28:27.359
<v Speaker 2>much in keeping with the movie Jack Frost that we

0:28:27.600 --> 0:28:31.280
<v Speaker 2>watched for Weird House Cinema, in which Jack Frost essentially

0:28:31.320 --> 0:28:34.720
<v Speaker 2>like flocks the trees in the forest, covering them with ice.

0:28:35.119 --> 0:28:35.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:28:35.400 --> 0:28:39.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so that is what they're going for here, Joe,

0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:42.640
<v Speaker 2>I included a photograph for you. Here. This is an

0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:44.960
<v Speaker 2>image of a leave from the huff at All Paper.

0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:47.960
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I absolutely see the comparison. It looks very much

0:28:48.040 --> 0:28:50.400
<v Speaker 3>like fur tree branches covered in snow.

0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:53.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Now it's not tree shaped, it's not really conical,

0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:57.080
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, it looks like like fir tree branches that

0:28:57.120 --> 0:29:00.600
<v Speaker 2>are completely covered in some sort of white frost. Now,

0:29:00.720 --> 0:29:03.000
<v Speaker 2>as the huff at All Paper points out, Christmas tree

0:29:03.040 --> 0:29:07.880
<v Speaker 2>corals also occur in red. But my first thought was like, well,

0:29:08.240 --> 0:29:10.320
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't always look like a Christmas tree. But that

0:29:10.400 --> 0:29:12.760
<v Speaker 2>shows how little I know about the history of flocking

0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:18.040
<v Speaker 2>Christmas trees or creating, you know, plastic artificial trees, because

0:29:18.120 --> 0:29:21.840
<v Speaker 2>I easily found an image of like a flocked red

0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:24.520
<v Speaker 2>Christmas tree where it just is like a bright red

0:29:25.560 --> 0:29:28.840
<v Speaker 2>imitation fur tree I'm assuming here, And yeah, I mean

0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:32.800
<v Speaker 2>it does not look unlike an actual photograph of a

0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:34.120
<v Speaker 2>red Christmas tree black.

0:29:33.960 --> 0:29:36.600
<v Speaker 3>Coral, I'd see that. For some reason, this one made

0:29:36.640 --> 0:29:40.320
<v Speaker 3>me think alveoli, just like you know, a little red

0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:41.400
<v Speaker 3>broccoli in the lungs.

0:29:41.720 --> 0:29:46.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's another solid comparison. Yeah. I

0:29:46.760 --> 0:29:49.200
<v Speaker 2>also have to point out this one picture from the

0:29:49.280 --> 0:29:52.960
<v Speaker 2>huff at All paper that has the red There's a

0:29:52.960 --> 0:29:54.920
<v Speaker 2>red one and then there's a white one right behind it,

0:29:55.920 --> 0:29:59.040
<v Speaker 2>and on the red one you see two different crustaceans

0:29:59.440 --> 0:30:02.479
<v Speaker 2>climbing up out And to me, it looks like one

0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:05.680
<v Speaker 2>of those sometimes you see like a really wacky themed

0:30:05.720 --> 0:30:10.560
<v Speaker 2>holiday tree, you know, where there's very much a particular

0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:12.400
<v Speaker 2>theme in mind. It's not about just getting all of

0:30:12.440 --> 0:30:14.680
<v Speaker 2>your favorite ornaments on there, but like making something that

0:30:14.800 --> 0:30:17.160
<v Speaker 2>is very fashionable. And so I can imagine a tree

0:30:17.160 --> 0:30:19.959
<v Speaker 2>where it's like your only two ornaments are two enormous

0:30:20.000 --> 0:30:22.040
<v Speaker 2>crustaceans crawling about on the tree.

0:30:22.360 --> 0:30:24.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah ho ho LV four twenty six.

0:30:25.160 --> 0:30:30.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that sort of thing. So full grown colonies of

0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:34.320
<v Speaker 2>this particular form of black coral apparently reach heights of

0:30:34.360 --> 0:30:37.120
<v Speaker 2>eight feet and eight feet tall, and they can live

0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:40.600
<v Speaker 2>more than a century of conditions are favorable. A two

0:30:40.640 --> 0:30:43.840
<v Speaker 2>thousand and seven Bulletin of Marine Science paper from love

0:30:43.880 --> 0:30:48.040
<v Speaker 2>at all found that basically, in this paper they discuss

0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:50.800
<v Speaker 2>how they found a dead two point one meter or

0:30:50.840 --> 0:30:54.120
<v Speaker 2>six point eight feet tall Christmas tree black coral collected

0:30:54.160 --> 0:30:57.040
<v Speaker 2>from one hundred and six meter depth or three hundred

0:30:57.080 --> 0:31:01.240
<v Speaker 2>and forty eight feet depth off off the coast southern California.

0:31:01.280 --> 0:31:03.280
<v Speaker 2>And this one they found to be to have been

0:31:03.280 --> 0:31:05.400
<v Speaker 2>about one hundred and forty years old when it died,

0:31:05.920 --> 0:31:10.920
<v Speaker 2>and its skeleton was heavily colonized by invertebrates. According to

0:31:10.960 --> 0:31:15.360
<v Speaker 2>this paper and this particular specimen, two five and fifty

0:31:15.400 --> 0:31:16.760
<v Speaker 2>four species living there.

0:31:17.000 --> 0:31:19.200
<v Speaker 3>Wow, somebody counted all those species?

0:31:19.560 --> 0:31:22.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so it's a lot now that you know

0:31:22.000 --> 0:31:24.720
<v Speaker 2>this is a dead one. But you know, basically the

0:31:24.760 --> 0:31:27.800
<v Speaker 2>idea here is that you know, alive, we're dead. They

0:31:28.720 --> 0:31:32.040
<v Speaker 2>have an important place in the ecosystem, you know, providing

0:31:32.800 --> 0:31:36.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, substrate and so forth for various other organisms

0:31:36.440 --> 0:31:42.000
<v Speaker 2>to thrive. And of course, black corals, like other corals,

0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:44.560
<v Speaker 2>are you know, generally threatened by a climate change and

0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:49.320
<v Speaker 2>related human industrial level activities, so you know, it's any

0:31:49.360 --> 0:31:51.040
<v Speaker 2>threat to them is of course not only a threat

0:31:51.080 --> 0:31:54.880
<v Speaker 2>to this particular species, but then there's also all these

0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:57.760
<v Speaker 2>cascading effects that can occur with all of the species

0:31:57.800 --> 0:31:59.840
<v Speaker 2>that are then dependent upon it.

0:32:00.120 --> 0:32:00.520
<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm.

0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:05.000
<v Speaker 2>I was also reading about how the black in general,

0:32:05.040 --> 0:32:07.520
<v Speaker 2>not with this particular species, the Christmas tree black coral,

0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:10.960
<v Speaker 2>but black corals in general. They have at times been

0:32:11.240 --> 0:32:15.680
<v Speaker 2>prize for medicinal uses and then also for jewelry making,

0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:20.480
<v Speaker 2>and I believe in Hawaii there's still a certain amount

0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:25.560
<v Speaker 2>of black coral harvesting that is allowed, and I think

0:32:25.680 --> 0:32:29.640
<v Speaker 2>largely for jewelry making, though perhaps there's some medicinal usage

0:32:29.680 --> 0:32:33.760
<v Speaker 2>in there as well. In other areas, though black corals,

0:32:33.800 --> 0:32:37.280
<v Speaker 2>along with other forms of coral, are completely protected, and

0:32:37.320 --> 0:32:39.120
<v Speaker 2>to be clear, there is some level of protection in

0:32:39.160 --> 0:32:41.520
<v Speaker 2>Hawaii based on what I was reading, it's just I

0:32:41.520 --> 0:32:45.560
<v Speaker 2>think there is some allowance for harvesting. So again, Christmas

0:32:45.640 --> 0:32:51.120
<v Speaker 2>tree black corals named named for the Christmas tree, and

0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:54.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, I think it's not unreasonable to say, yes,

0:32:54.080 --> 0:32:55.800
<v Speaker 2>they do kind of look like Christmas trees.

0:32:56.400 --> 0:32:58.920
<v Speaker 3>I was going to say, if you tried to make

0:32:59.120 --> 0:33:04.400
<v Speaker 3>a Christmas tree like harvests, assuming you could and ecological

0:33:04.440 --> 0:33:07.200
<v Speaker 3>concerns aside, harvest some and make it the Christmas tree

0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:09.600
<v Speaker 3>in your house, would it still look like a Christmas

0:33:09.640 --> 0:33:10.440
<v Speaker 3>tree out of the water.

0:33:12.120 --> 0:33:13.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure. I think well, I mean one of

0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:16.479
<v Speaker 2>the things once you with the black corals, it's like

0:33:16.560 --> 0:33:19.280
<v Speaker 2>people were harvesting it and doing stuff with the black skeleton.

0:33:19.960 --> 0:33:21.400
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know, you might end up with some

0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:24.600
<v Speaker 2>sort of like you know, goth black Christmas tree, which

0:33:25.400 --> 0:33:28.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm also totally on board for do what

0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:30.680
<v Speaker 2>you want with your Christmas trees. Make them a statement

0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:31.440
<v Speaker 2>of your identity.

0:33:32.600 --> 0:33:35.200
<v Speaker 3>Okay, what's our third underwater Christmas tree?

0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:37.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay? I did do a little bit more digging for

0:33:37.920 --> 0:33:40.160
<v Speaker 2>this one because I was like, all right, we really

0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:42.920
<v Speaker 2>need something else for the for the episode. You've got

0:33:42.920 --> 0:33:46.400
<v Speaker 2>to round it up with a third, right, And for

0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:47.920
<v Speaker 2>a little bit there I was like, I think the

0:33:47.960 --> 0:33:49.840
<v Speaker 2>third is going to be the Christmas Tree of the desert.

0:33:49.920 --> 0:33:51.720
<v Speaker 2>And then I had to remind myself in the way,

0:33:51.760 --> 0:33:53.520
<v Speaker 2>I can't do that. That's that's not deep sea. That's

0:33:53.520 --> 0:33:56.160
<v Speaker 2>the opposite of deep sea. That's the desert. So I

0:33:56.200 --> 0:33:57.959
<v Speaker 2>was beginning to think there wasn't going to be something,

0:33:58.080 --> 0:34:03.040
<v Speaker 2>But then I started finding some differences from the Monterey

0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:06.760
<v Speaker 2>Bay Aquarium and that led me to a particular genus

0:34:06.800 --> 0:34:11.000
<v Speaker 2>of Sciphonophor that we're going to talk about here, and

0:34:11.040 --> 0:34:17.400
<v Speaker 2>that genus is forced Kalia, and this genus I believe

0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:22.600
<v Speaker 2>is unofficially referred to as as containing at least one

0:34:22.640 --> 0:34:26.440
<v Speaker 2>variety of Christmas tree siphonophoor. Okay, So what is a

0:34:26.480 --> 0:34:32.400
<v Speaker 2>siphonophor or Sciphonophora is an order of colonial free swimming

0:34:32.640 --> 0:34:38.560
<v Speaker 2>or floating marine hydrazooins, such as the Portuguese Man of

0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:42.120
<v Speaker 2>War that's probably the most well known member of this group.

0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:49.080
<v Speaker 2>And they're mostly delicate, transparent, various colors in play, and

0:34:49.400 --> 0:34:55.799
<v Speaker 2>they are composed of zooids, zooids that possess special functions

0:34:55.840 --> 0:35:00.200
<v Speaker 2>such as feeding or locomotion. They're very strange. A Good

0:35:00.200 --> 0:35:03.719
<v Speaker 2>Wizard recently discussed a Man of Wars on Automalias Stupendium,

0:35:03.719 --> 0:35:08.880
<v Speaker 2>an occasional Wednesday episode that we do, and in that

0:35:10.480 --> 0:35:13.400
<v Speaker 2>we went into some of the details of what Asopopona

0:35:13.440 --> 0:35:16.239
<v Speaker 2>four actually is. It is a colonial organism made up

0:35:16.239 --> 0:35:21.360
<v Speaker 2>of genetically identical but highly specialized polyps. So what you

0:35:21.440 --> 0:35:26.000
<v Speaker 2>might mistake for a single organism's reproductive system, you know,

0:35:26.080 --> 0:35:30.840
<v Speaker 2>or a digestive system, grasping arms or the flotation bladder,

0:35:31.040 --> 0:35:34.960
<v Speaker 2>are in fact individual zooids. And I have a way

0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:36.920
<v Speaker 2>that I make sense of all this, and I'm going

0:35:37.000 --> 0:35:40.560
<v Speaker 2>to adapt what is in that Animalias stupendium episode for

0:35:40.640 --> 0:35:44.600
<v Speaker 2>the holiday theme here. Okay, So imagine your Santa Claus

0:35:45.440 --> 0:35:48.040
<v Speaker 2>and you need a reindeer to pull your sleigh this year.

0:35:48.080 --> 0:35:52.440
<v Speaker 2>It's a common problem. Unfortunately, all but one of your

0:35:52.440 --> 0:35:55.520
<v Speaker 2>reindeer were killed last year by the bear spirit Tombach.

0:35:56.719 --> 0:35:58.200
<v Speaker 2>So what are you gonna do? You just got one

0:35:58.480 --> 0:36:01.680
<v Speaker 2>one can't pull the sleigh right. Fortunately, you're Santa Claus.

0:36:01.760 --> 0:36:06.279
<v Speaker 2>You have access to advanced cloning technology. So what can

0:36:06.320 --> 0:36:08.840
<v Speaker 2>you do? Well, you could simply clone Blitzen a dozen

0:36:08.920 --> 0:36:12.600
<v Speaker 2>times to produce a host of genetically identical reindeer to

0:36:12.640 --> 0:36:16.080
<v Speaker 2>pull your sleigh. That would work, But your Santa Claus,

0:36:16.160 --> 0:36:20.440
<v Speaker 2>what if you aimed higher? What have you? Instead? Formed

0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:24.600
<v Speaker 2>each Blitzen clone into a giant organ or organ system

0:36:25.400 --> 0:36:27.759
<v Speaker 2>you know, or tissue or part of some sort of

0:36:27.760 --> 0:36:31.960
<v Speaker 2>a greater organism, you know. One Blitzen becomes the digestive system,

0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:35.919
<v Speaker 2>another they're reproductive system, another the skeletal and so forth,

0:36:36.000 --> 0:36:39.600
<v Speaker 2>until you have a single uber Blitzen, a colonial super

0:36:39.640 --> 0:36:45.560
<v Speaker 2>deer organism composed of genetically identical individuals. Those individuals do

0:36:45.600 --> 0:36:48.120
<v Speaker 2>not look like a deer. They look like parts of

0:36:48.160 --> 0:36:51.799
<v Speaker 2>the greater thing that you associate as a single entity.

0:36:51.880 --> 0:36:54.040
<v Speaker 3>Kind of blitzen biovultron.

0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:57.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, vultron is another way of thinking. Like when you

0:36:57.160 --> 0:36:59.239
<v Speaker 2>look at a Portuguese man of war, and when you

0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:03.239
<v Speaker 2>look at any of these siphonophores, you are looking at voltrons.

0:37:04.200 --> 0:37:08.000
<v Speaker 2>But unlike vultron. Vultron of course can come back apart

0:37:08.040 --> 0:37:11.319
<v Speaker 2>into lions and fly about. That doesn't happen here, Like

0:37:11.400 --> 0:37:13.719
<v Speaker 2>they are all part of the whole. There is no

0:37:13.960 --> 0:37:15.640
<v Speaker 2>decoupling from the whole here.

0:37:16.120 --> 0:37:16.680
<v Speaker 3>Interesting.

0:37:17.080 --> 0:37:18.600
<v Speaker 2>There may be a better way of thinking about it,

0:37:18.640 --> 0:37:20.600
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, I tend to think of it in this way.

0:37:20.640 --> 0:37:23.400
<v Speaker 2>I think the vultron way of understanding them is also

0:37:23.719 --> 0:37:28.840
<v Speaker 2>pretty solid. So the Forskalia genus was first described in

0:37:28.840 --> 0:37:32.640
<v Speaker 2>the eighteen hundreds, and the species in question here is

0:37:32.800 --> 0:37:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Forskalia formosa, first recorded by Keverstein and Elers in eighteen sixty. Now,

0:37:41.360 --> 0:37:44.480
<v Speaker 2>I am personally not certain if anyone other than the

0:37:44.480 --> 0:37:48.320
<v Speaker 2>Monterey Bay Aquarium and perhaps their web team are calling

0:37:48.360 --> 0:37:52.160
<v Speaker 2>this species the Christmas tree siphonofour But even if they're

0:37:52.200 --> 0:37:54.719
<v Speaker 2>the only ones, that's good enough for me, because a

0:37:55.000 --> 0:37:58.200
<v Speaker 2>they're a world class institution, and b we needed one

0:37:58.200 --> 0:38:00.000
<v Speaker 2>more Christmas tree to round out podcasts.

0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:02.719
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I see it. Looking at a picture of

0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:07.279
<v Speaker 3>this thing, it looks the most festively decorated I mean

0:38:07.360 --> 0:38:08.400
<v Speaker 3>talk about garlands.

0:38:08.920 --> 0:38:11.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, there there are some pictures of this on

0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:14.520
<v Speaker 2>the Monterey Bay Aquarium's website. There's also some really nice

0:38:14.600 --> 0:38:19.520
<v Speaker 2>video footage on the Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institute's YouTube page.

0:38:20.360 --> 0:38:23.400
<v Speaker 2>Especially that video I find you look at it and

0:38:23.440 --> 0:38:25.319
<v Speaker 2>you're like, yes, it looks like a Christmas tree. It's

0:38:25.360 --> 0:38:28.520
<v Speaker 2>upside down, but it looks like a you know, roughly

0:38:28.800 --> 0:38:33.279
<v Speaker 2>Christmas tree shaped array of branches with illumination.

0:38:34.120 --> 0:38:37.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, definitely. So it's kind of actually, I think like

0:38:37.640 --> 0:38:40.359
<v Speaker 3>the Christmas tree worm, where it's not so much that

0:38:40.400 --> 0:38:43.719
<v Speaker 3>the crowns of the worm look really a lot like

0:38:44.320 --> 0:38:47.480
<v Speaker 3>you know, evergreen trees. They're sort of cone shaped, they're

0:38:47.520 --> 0:38:50.359
<v Speaker 3>generally shaped like a tree. But then the real thing

0:38:50.520 --> 0:38:53.600
<v Speaker 3>is that that that decorating convention, the garland that you

0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:57.000
<v Speaker 3>wrap around a tree like a spiral that resembles the

0:38:57.000 --> 0:38:59.920
<v Speaker 3>the you know, the color tips of the spiral, the

0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:04.040
<v Speaker 3>radials going up around the tentacles of the worm. In

0:39:04.080 --> 0:39:06.319
<v Speaker 3>a similar fashion. Here, I would say that it's not

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<v Speaker 3>so much that this looks like a Christmas tree, is

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<v Speaker 3>that it's roughly tree shaped, and then it has these

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<v Speaker 3>little white shining or glowing bits in the video you've seen,

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<v Speaker 3>which makes me think of like the lights that we

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<v Speaker 3>put on a Christmas tree. So again, it's kind of

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<v Speaker 3>a decorating convention that I think really seals the esthetic comparison.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Now, according to the Monterey Bay Aquarium, these organisms

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<v Speaker 2>live in the deep ocean, ranging from the surface down

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<v Speaker 2>to six six hundred feet or two hundred meters deep

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<v Speaker 2>in the North Pacific and Atlantic oceans. They reach sizes

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<v Speaker 2>of up to ten feet or three meters in length

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<v Speaker 2>or height, depending on how you want to view it

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<v Speaker 2>as a Christmas tree, I guess, subsisting on various small

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<v Speaker 2>sea animals in those environments, and it moves through the

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<v Speaker 2>water via a system of floats and swimming bells.

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<v Speaker 3>Whether or not it looks like a Christmas tree to you,

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<v Speaker 3>it is beautiful, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you could maybe again use this as inspiration

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<v Speaker 2>for your own Christmas tree instead of ornaments this year,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, decorate your tree with zooids. I don't know. Yeah, No, no.

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<v Speaker 2>In truth, I think you could technically do a theme

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<v Speaker 2>tree based on all three of these organisms. It would

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<v Speaker 2>be an impressive feat and I guess it would be

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<v Speaker 2>for a limited audience. But I don't know. Maybe there's

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<v Speaker 2>some marine biologists out there who really get into it.

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<v Speaker 2>If you have ever decorated your Christmas tree to align

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<v Speaker 2>with actual marine organisms named for Christmas trees or associated

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<v Speaker 2>with Christmas trees, obviously we want to know about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, I mean it's not impossible. It's not impossible,

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<v Speaker 2>but I guess it's more likely there may be people

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<v Speaker 2>with Christmas trees out there that have some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>a science theme or even a marine biology or underwater

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<v Speaker 2>oceanic theme. I would settle for that. I'm always gamed

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<v Speaker 2>to look at the pictures of somebody's Christmas tree, so

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<v Speaker 2>by all means, send them in, please do All right,

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're going to go ahead it and wrap

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<v Speaker 2>this episode up, But hopefully this was a fun and

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<v Speaker 2>surprisingly different holiday episode from us here. You know, in

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<v Speaker 2>the past, we've done again, you know, Christmas inventions, things

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<v Speaker 2>that tie into like psychological or even philosophical ideas that

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<v Speaker 2>are associated with the holidays. This time we went a

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<v Speaker 2>little deeper in the oceanic sense.

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<v Speaker 3>All I want for Christmas is to have my body

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<v Speaker 3>exfoliated by a crown of thorn starfish.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, those look pretty rough, kind of like a

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<v Speaker 2>like a whoopy cushion from Hell. I guess, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>C stars in general have like a do not touch vibe,

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<v Speaker 2>but these really have it do not touch vibe.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe we have to come back in the future and

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<v Speaker 3>give them, give them their own episode.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, yeah, we could easily do an episode on

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<v Speaker 2>I mean on starfish in general, you know, calling out

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<v Speaker 2>various particular species of note. But yeah, maybe these guys too.

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