1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 2: Howard Lutnik on Place to Say The Common Secretary Howard 3 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 2: Latinik joined US Now from Washington Day Say, mister secretary, 4 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: welcome back to the program. So always appreciate your time. 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:17,479 Speaker 2: If we could just take a step back and set 6 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 2: the table, what are the stakes for today's matting between 7 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 2: you and Canight and officials. 8 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,319 Speaker 1: Well, I think the stakes today if you take a 9 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: look at. 10 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 3: It from the big picture, is the United States said 11 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:34,639 Speaker 3: we need to have steel and aluminum domestically in America 12 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 3: in national security. You need medals to make bullets, you 13 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 3: need metals to make munitions, you need metals to make everything. 14 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 3: And Donald Trump is very focused on let's make sure 15 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 3: the key ingredients that are necessary to defend America are 16 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 3: made here in America. And these other countries they just 17 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 3: don't pay attention. I mean, how many times do I 18 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:01,279 Speaker 3: have to say national security isn't important? And if you do, 19 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 3: like the EU, and you respond by putting a terrify 20 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 3: on Kentucky bourbon, which used to piss off Mitch McConnell, 21 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 3: which doesn't really matter anymore, you gotta wonder, really. 22 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: Really do I have to deal with this stuff. But 23 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: alas we. 24 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: Do, miss the secretary, let's get to Europe in a moment. 25 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 2: Let's just stay on Canada and then will work our 26 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 2: way to the EU if we can. For the Canadians, 27 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 2: as you know, they've put tariffs on around twenty one 28 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 2: billion dollars of US goods. Well, that changed your approach 29 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 2: to today's mating. 30 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 3: Well, I mean take a look at that again. Let's 31 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 3: take a step back. National security. We put a tariffon 32 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 3: stealing aluminum to make sure the dumping countries of the 33 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 3: world stop and we can build up our stealing aluminum 34 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 3: in America. And what does Canada do They put a 35 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 3: tarifon sports equipment. I mean, really, this is just its 36 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 3: tone death. Listen to the president national security matters. When 37 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 3: he calls out things like semiconductors, he calls out pharmaceuticals, 38 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 3: he calls out autos. These are things that matter to 39 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 3: us as a country. And if you're going to respond 40 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 3: to us with sports equipment, you're just not listening to 41 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 3: President Trump. 42 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: Savatary Lnik. 43 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 4: How much are the conversations today actually about bringing up 44 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 4: the negotiations when it comes to USMCA. 45 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 3: Well, USMCA, we set aside USMCA. So the United States 46 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 3: made a deal with both Mexico and Canada that said, 47 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 3: if you have enough US content in certain products or 48 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 3: it's actually made domestically, they can trade between our countries 49 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 3: tax free. 50 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: That remains intact. 51 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 3: What is outside of that is both things that don't 52 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 3: have that American content that are imported from other countries. 53 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: So that has a tarrify on it. 54 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 3: And now the President has said, look, there are certain 55 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 3: topics I need to have us make in America, and 56 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 3: steal aluminum is key. 57 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: I mean, we all understand that. 58 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 3: So why not allow the greatest country in the world 59 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 3: who completely feeds Canada. Canada exists completely feeds off of 60 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 3: the amazing economy of the United States of America. Let 61 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,399 Speaker 3: us build up our steel and aluminum so that we 62 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 3: can protect ourselves. 63 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: And by the way, we. 64 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 3: Protect Canada, I think Canada's got sixty planes. Oh yeah, 65 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 3: they're really gonna protect themselves. They're really They're the lowest 66 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 3: investor in NATO. They totally rely on us, and yet 67 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 3: they think they need to respond to stealing aluminum tariffs. 68 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 3: I mean, everybody is so used to picking off America, 69 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 3: so used to it. 70 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: If they can't even stop. 71 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 3: Donald Trump is here to say, we need to be 72 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 3: treated fairly, and we need to be treated fairly. 73 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 2: Now do you think this approach, if you articulate this 74 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 2: to the Canadians today, will help bring down the temperature? 75 00:03:57,840 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: I do. 76 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 3: I think once you actually breathe and think steal and aluminum. 77 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 3: American needs steal in aluminum. I mean, if you respond 78 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 3: like the British didn't respond, the Mexicans didn't respond, you 79 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 3: have some countries that actually thoughtfully examine how they do 80 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 3: business with us. And then you have people like the 81 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 3: Canadians who are in elections, so you have no idea. 82 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 3: You think it's about a trade war. This is their 83 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 3: way of getting election votes. And the EU, you know, 84 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 3: the EU is just so many years treated us so harshly. 85 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 3: They just can't stop. Look, their tariffs are way up 86 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 3: here and our tariffs are down here. How about relax. 87 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 3: Let us balance it. We are your largest most important 88 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 3: trading partner. Treat us with respect, and let's get a 89 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 3: little balance. And Donald Trump is out there saying balance, balance, Balance. 90 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 3: April second, he's going to describe his balance. We're going 91 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 3: to do it together. We're going to describe our trading policy. 92 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 3: We're going to describe our balance. But remember semiconductors we 93 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 3: need to have him in America, Pharmaceuticals we need to 94 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 3: have in America. Cars we need to have in America. 95 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 3: And steal in aluminum come on America. Oh and lumber 96 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 3: as well. 97 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 2: And want of champagne. 98 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: Things for our national security. 99 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 2: And the one of champagne. 100 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: So don't forget the why champagne this? 101 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 3: Come on, that's just that, you know, if you make 102 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 3: him unhappy, he responds unhappy. But come on, let's get 103 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 3: back to the core basics here, which is a trading 104 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 3: policy that says America has allowed the world to lean 105 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 3: on us, to take from us, to grow off of us, 106 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 3: and now it's time for a little balance. We've got 107 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 3: a two trillion dollar budget deficit. We want to bring 108 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 3: certain jobs home. Let the President do the right thing 109 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 3: for America. 110 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: He will respond after. 111 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 3: We're done organizing things to make sure the world grows. 112 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,799 Speaker 3: But today, just remember he's the president of the United 113 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 3: States of America. He's not the president of the world. 114 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 3: He's going to take care of American workers, and it. 115 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 2: Is time, missed the secretary. I just want to make 116 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 2: sure that the audience is in on our little joke 117 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 2: there because they might have missed the post forb the 118 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 2: President a couple of minutes ago. So I'm going to 119 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 2: share it with them and then come back to you 120 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 2: in just a second. So the President of the United 121 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 2: States put this out on truth social moments ago, said 122 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 2: the European Union, one of the most hostile and abusive 123 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 2: taxing and tariffing authorities in the world, which has formed 124 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 2: for the sole purpose of taking advantage of the United States, 125 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 2: has just put a nasty fifty percent tariff on whiskey. 126 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 2: If this tariff is not removed immediately, the United States 127 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 2: will shortly place a two hundred percent tariff on all wines, champagnes, 128 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 2: and alcoholic products coming out of France and other EU 129 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 2: represented countries. So, missus Secretary, just to bring you in, 130 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 2: I imagine you are aware of what the President said 131 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 2: based on our conversation just now. Have you given the 132 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,919 Speaker 2: Europeans a warning on this? Have you're given them a 133 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 2: time limit to back away? You've taken the same approach 134 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 2: you did with the Canadians just a few days ago. 135 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 3: Well, I think the President has made it crystal clear 136 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 3: that he finds this tit for tat really abusive and aggravating. Right, 137 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 3: His objective is steel and aluminum tariffs. Let him build 138 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 3: his steel and aluminum business in America because that's important. 139 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 3: And then you know, they say, okay, we're going to 140 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 3: tax whiskey. And look, I find all this back and 141 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 3: forth really off the topic. The key topic is rebalancing 142 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 3: American trade. We're going to spend lots of time together, 143 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 3: you know. But the President was totally annoyed that the 144 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 3: Europeans did this. And so you go in a year 145 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 3: back from someone who emotionally cares about America. He cares 146 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 3: about America and he wants to take care of Americans. 147 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 3: And why are Europeans picking on Kentucky bourbons Harley Davidson motorcycles. 148 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 3: You're saying this is an emotional respect it's disrespectful. 149 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: Are responsible? 150 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 4: We see, well, we see two hundreds and wine, champagne 151 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 4: and alcoholic products before April second, when the President says 152 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 4: it's the big one and we're going to get the 153 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 4: reciprocal rollout. 154 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 3: Well, the joy of my job is that Donald Trump 155 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 3: makes the decisions right and the people around him. 156 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: We talk to him and we advise him. 157 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 3: April second is when we do reciprocal tariffs, and he 158 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 3: just he's called out these products. He wants these countries 159 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 3: to respect him. And all of this showed you is 160 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 3: that Europe and Canada do not respect Donald Trump and 161 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 3: do not respect America's ability to build it steel an 162 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 3: aluminum industry. 163 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 1: Which is vital for national security. 164 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 3: Whereas you watched Mexico and you watch the UK, be 165 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 3: pragmatic and thoughtful and the way we're going to deal 166 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 3: with them is going to be better. So these are 167 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 3: just black and white things. Why would you put against 168 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 3: steal an aluminum when you say Harley Davidson motorcycles and 169 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 3: Kentucky bourbon. 170 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: It's just illogical. 171 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 3: I think the President is saying, look, I am going 172 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 3: to respond bigger and always stronger. We will talk together, 173 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 3: you know, he wrote that tweet this morning. 174 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: We will talk together. If that's what he wants to do, 175 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: we will do that. 176 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 3: But the answer is, April second, a thoughtful approach to 177 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 3: reciprocity and national security of those products he's called out. 178 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 3: We're going to increase our domestic production of those and 179 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 3: have a reciprocal model, and hopefully when I talk to 180 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 3: the Europeans, they'll realize that they should. 181 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: Take these things down. 182 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 3: Cool these things out, let's properly negotiate. 183 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 4: Do you have plans to speak to your European counterparts today? 184 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 4: Of course, like who are you speaking to, say, Ursula 185 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 4: Underlin or potentially some heads of companies like Bernardo who 186 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 4: was also at the president's inauguration. 187 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 3: Generally as the Commerce secretary, I speak to the trade ministers. 188 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: That's totally out cost a. 189 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 4: Lot of companies also, And I know executives have been 190 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 4: calling you, Sarah, not correct. They're looking for exemptions. Exemptions 191 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 4: carve outs falls squarely in the Commerce Department. 192 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: So let's talk about exemptions for a moment. 193 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 3: Steel and aluminum tariffs went in in twenty eighteen, and 194 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,719 Speaker 3: when we came back into power, the Biden administration had 195 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 3: granted four hundred and ninety thousand exemptions imagine four hundred 196 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 3: and ninety thousand exemptions to steal in illuminum tariffs. I mean, 197 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 3: I don't know that our department could actually collate forture 198 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 3: ninety thousand Christmas cards, let alone four hundred and ninety 199 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 3: thousand steal an illuminum tariffs. 200 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 1: I mean, come on, it's ridiculous. 201 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 3: So yesterday what we did is we just got rid 202 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 3: of all the exemptions. 203 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: That's all we did. The stealing illuminum tariffs were already on. 204 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 3: We just said, look, let's just build back our steal 205 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 3: an aluminum industry in America to protect America. 206 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: It's so logical, it's so important. 207 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then all we get you get some countries 208 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 3: who understand, in some countries who just go right back 209 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 3: to old school, and you know, the President's going to 210 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 3: deal with them with strength and with power, and he's 211 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 3: remembered that they like to respond with a just go 212 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 3: after their wine, and maybe they'll pay attention and listen. 213 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 3: The fact is April second, we're going to go April second, 214 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 3: we're going to go with reciprocity, thoughtful global process. 215 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 5: The Secretary, it's going to take a while to actually 216 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 5: get those tariffs in place after all of the appeals process, etc. 217 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 5: After April second. And in the meantime, as all of 218 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 5: these discussions around tariffs continue, a lot of businesses are 219 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 5: just halting investments. You're seeing consumer sentiment decline, you're seeing 220 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 5: their spending activity decrease. Can you give them a sense 221 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 5: of when they'll have certainty? 222 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 3: The opposite actually is coming true. You saw Apple five 223 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 3: hundred billion dollars. You saw a SoftBank two hundred billion dollars. 224 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 3: Eli Lilly forty billion dollars. A media company today who 225 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 3: sent me notes saying they want to invest sixty five 226 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 3: billion in America. The scale by which American companies are 227 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 3: committed to invest in America and Global. 228 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 5: Company Secretary jan when I'm talking about hue let me 229 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 5: explain to you what I'm. 230 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 3: Taching investments and those are coming well, let me finish, 231 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 3: these are huge investments coming to America, over one point 232 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 3: seven trillion committed and in Donald Trump's first fifty days. 233 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 3: Anyone who thinks people are uncertain doesn't understand what Donald 234 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 3: Trump is saying. He's saying, bring your production to America 235 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 3: and you will. 236 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: Avoid all the tariffs. 237 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 3: Come build in the greatest economy in the world, and 238 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 3: you will avoid tariffs. 239 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 5: That's maybe long term, but what we're seeing in the 240 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 5: short term is that small business confidence has fall into 241 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 5: a four month low. They say a high degree of 242 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 5: uncertainty about what the regime is going to look like. 243 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 5: They talk about likelihood increasing likelihood of having to increase 244 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 5: prices in response to the tariffs. You're seeing this with 245 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 5: respect to airplane tickets that are falling off a cliff 246 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 5: as of February. I'm just wondering, and when you take 247 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 5: a look at these types of indicators, at what point 248 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 5: does it become concerning to you. 249 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 3: The greatest deal maker who's ever lived is sitting behind 250 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 3: the desk in. 251 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: The Oval Office. 252 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:17,119 Speaker 3: He understands that the best way to get our farmers, 253 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 3: our ranchers, and our fishermen's produce and products in the 254 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 3: rest of the world, which they block it. I mean, 255 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 3: India blocks our farmers. All these countries block our farmers. 256 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 3: The way to grow it is to make deals with 257 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 3: them where they have to understand the power of the 258 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 3: US economy is that you need to take our products. 259 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 3: We want to unleash American ingenuity and the capacity to 260 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 3: export and when other countries put giant, giant tariffs on 261 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 3: our products. Let's be clear, you can't go to Europe 262 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 3: and see an American car. You can't go to Korea 263 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 3: and see an American car. You can't go to jip 264 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 3: and see an American car. But you sure see their 265 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 3: cars here. So the concept of Donald Trump saying, hang 266 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 3: on a minute, you've got to be kidding. 267 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: We need to unleash. 268 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 3: The American economy, and if we've got to teach the 269 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 3: rest of the world to treat us with respect, that 270 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 3: they have beaten on us, and they have abused us, 271 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 3: and their tariffs are so so high that they've got 272 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 3: to actually treat us with respect. Bring down their tariffs 273 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 3: so that it's reciprocal. Remember, they will never live with 274 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 3: us having the tariffs as high as they have them. 275 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 3: So what they're going to do is they're going to 276 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 3: bring them down. Let Donald Trump run this economy. He 277 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 3: knows what he's doing better than any president who's ever sat. 278 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: At that desk. Let him do his job. 279 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 3: There's going to be a lot of talking, but in 280 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 3: the end, there's going to be the greatest growth economy 281 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 3: America's ever seen. We are going to export and people 282 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 3: who are going to build in America. Those two things 283 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 3: are going to happen. And they're going to happen because 284 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 3: Donald Trump's going to create fair trade. Start saying the 285 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 3: word fair trade, because right now trade in America. 286 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: Go look at the numbers. 287 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 3: Un fair Europe huge, India huge, right, China the highest. 288 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: There's no inflation in these countries. 289 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 3: What there is is blocking Americans from doing business there, 290 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 3: and Donald Trump is going to break down those walls. 291 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 2: Let's talk about China. So we heard from a foreign 292 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 2: ministry official in China who said this that Beijing has 293 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 2: done the United States a favor and Washington should have 294 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 2: said a big thank you for all they've done to 295 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 2: control drugs. And I imagine they're alluding to fence and 296 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 2: all directly, mister Secretary. I just wonder if the President 297 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 2: has seen those comments in the last twenty four hours 298 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 2: and what its response is to them. 299 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 3: The President, as we have said on April twod, is 300 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 3: going to take a holistic approach to everything. March has 301 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 3: been the month to reduce the r the border and 302 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 3: fentanyl deaths in America. And I hope to god China's 303 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 3: reducing the production of the fentanyl ingredients that kill seventy 304 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 3: five thousand or top seed Americans, and as the President 305 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 3: rightly knows, that number is way way more. 306 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: We need them. 307 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 3: We need China to stop making the ingredients, and we 308 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 3: need Mexico and Canada to stop shipping them into our country. 309 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: That is March. March is very, very focused on that. 310 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 3: Hopefully they'll get down and we'll have a good a 311 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 3: good reduced border Obviously that's so far, so good, but 312 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 3: we need to reduce those fentanyl deaths. And then come April, 313 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 3: you're going to see us start to focus on lowering 314 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 3: tariff away and increasing tariffs at home, so. 315 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: At least we get a little ballance. 316 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 3: If they want to lower them reciprocal tariffs mean take 317 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 3: them down and we'll take We'll keep ours. 318 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 2: Have they given any indication they wanted to do that 319 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 2: ramping up tariffs over the last month on China? Have 320 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 2: they given any indication they're prepared to do that just 321 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 2: to stress test this theory because taras's been ramping up 322 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 2: China over the last ten years. Now, any indication they're 323 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 2: willing to actually step back and do what you're asking 324 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 2: them to do. 325 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: You know, China is always a separate thinking. 326 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 3: You know, the Chinese Communist Party thinks about things in 327 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 3: a much much different way than everybody else. And I 328 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 3: don't know how they're going to deal with bringing these 329 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 3: things down. I would like them to bring it down. 330 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 3: They have a huge market, but remember we consume more 331 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 3: than two times what they consume. They have a big economy, 332 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 3: but they're a production economy. 333 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: They sell to us. They need to sell to us. 334 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 3: We are the greatest consuming economy in the world. We 335 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 3: are the customer that everybody in the world needs. 336 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: Now, they put huge tariffs in because they're. 337 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 3: Trying to build up their consumer production domestically, and that's 338 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 3: where they stand. So you don't hear all of you 339 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 3: talking about how horrible China is and all the inflation 340 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 3: in China and all this sort of stuff. 341 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 1: It's just not true. 342 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 3: The fact is America is going to build up its 343 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 3: industries here, drive down tariffs there. I don't know what 344 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 3: China will do, but my expectation is the whole world 345 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 3: who trades with US will bring down their tariffs and 346 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 3: allow our farmers, ranchers, and seamen, allow our production, allow 347 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 3: our car manufacturers to export more and grow. We are 348 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 3: looking for fair trade trade. 349 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: Let's say it over and over again. We got it. 350 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 4: I think it could maybe be a bumper sticker for you. 351 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 4: There are reports this week that potentially underway our plans 352 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 4: for Shijing Ping to meet with Donald Trump. Are we 353 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 4: expecting a meeting between these leaders either in the spring 354 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 4: or early summer. 355 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 3: I mean, look, the President runs his agenda, but from 356 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 3: my perspective, when strong leaders meet each other that is 357 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 3: useful and effective for the world. But Donald Trump will 358 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 3: make those decisions himself. I am focused on reciprocal tariffs. 359 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 3: On April second, I am not in the agenda of 360 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 3: who President Trump decides he wants to. 361 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 5: Meet Secretary Lutnak or just two minutes away from the 362 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 5: latest indicator from the United States, which is PPI data 363 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 5: and inflation read and initial jobless claims. You've talked about 364 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 5: how the data that we are getting right now is 365 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 5: Biden data. At what point does it become Trump data. 366 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 3: I'd say we fully wear the fourth quarter, and we 367 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 3: may well wear much of the. 368 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: Third quarter, But for fourth quarter, for sure. 369 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 3: You know, the American economy, right, a twenty nine trillion 370 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 3: dollar economy. You can't take office on Monday and have 371 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 3: the news media say, oh, look what you did on Tuesday. 372 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: I mean, come on, that's so silly. 373 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 3: So the real way the world works is, for sure, 374 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 3: the fourth quarter is Donald Trump's quarter, and the third 375 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 3: quarter it starts his policies start to really embed in America. 376 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: So that's the right way to look at it. 377 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 3: First and second quarter are Biden's sort of left behind difficulty, 378 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 3: and then you see Donald Trump dig us out, build 379 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 3: US up and buy. The fourth quarter, you're going to 380 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 3: see growth rates because you got all these companies committing 381 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 3: to build in America, get their shovels in the ground 382 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 3: because we get regulations out of the way. 383 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: Start to produce those jobs, start to bring back trade craft. 384 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 3: You know, electricians who build giant factories, HVAC specialists who 385 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 3: cool those, and then mechanics who fix robots. You've got 386 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 3: trade craft coming back to America. It's going to be amazing. 387 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 3: We're going to have the greatest training program ever because 388 00:20:55,160 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 3: we need to train our great workers for the revolution 389 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 3: and the tech revolution that is coming that Donald Trump 390 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 3: is bringing to construction and development in America. And we 391 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 3: need to train our people and they're going to have great, 392 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 3: great jobs. 393 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 5: So going forward, do you just look through all of 394 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 5: this weakness You've talked about how and we've heard a 395 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 5: sort of detox period, et cetera. Do you look past 396 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 5: all the data in the first and the second quarters 397 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 5: is simply backward looking and look forward to what deals 398 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,199 Speaker 5: are getting done. 399 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: My job is to look forward to what deals are 400 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 1: getting done. 401 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 3: I'm going to bring in because Donald Trump has created 402 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 3: the policies for me to bring in enormous investment to 403 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 3: the country. One point seven trillions so far committed, and 404 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 3: we're going to put out a website and literally show 405 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 3: these companies construction and manufacturing in America quarter by quarter. 406 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: To show this kind of growth. 407 00:21:56,080 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 3: Remember, each trillion of this kind of committed construction is 408 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 3: worth one point of GDP, so a two trillion, which 409 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 3: we definitely will have for sure, that's a half a 410 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 3: point of GDP for all four of his years. So 411 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 3: as that grows, you're going to see that growth come 412 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 3: into our GDP numbers. Obviously, not today someone says I'm 413 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 3: going to build sixty five billion in America. When can 414 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 3: they get In the past, it would take a year 415 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 3: and a half to get the permits to build. 416 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: Under Donald Trump, it's going to take less than six months. 417 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,199 Speaker 3: They're going to be in the ground this year, and 418 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 3: the fourth quarter you're going to see this power. So yes, 419 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 3: So I have to say, the first quarter surely Biden, 420 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 3: the second quarter is Biden. But starting the third quarter 421 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 3: you start to feel some Donald Trump, and the fourth 422 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 3: quarter you will feel the power of Donald Trump's economy Secretary. 423 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 4: I'm sure you've seen this report in political it says 424 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 4: that White House officials, Trump outside allies are quote growing 425 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 4: increasingly frustrated with you, sir, privately planning. 426 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: About the the fake news. 427 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 4: Please go, I want to give to respond to this. 428 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: It's the fake news. I don't want. I don't want 429 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 1: to respond when you read fake news. Okay. I spoke 430 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: to the President last night. 431 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 3: He said, why do these people write this fake news? 432 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 3: It's just nonsense. Imagine Jameson Greer, who's our USTR, who 433 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 3: works with me, and obviously if you remember when when 434 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 3: the President nominated me, he nominated me to say go 435 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 3: select the USTR, and we're closely with him. Anybody who 436 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 3: says this kind of stuff, these articles talk about the 437 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 3: Council of Economic Advisors, they're not even populated yet. The 438 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 3: nonsense that we have to read while people just are 439 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 3: trying to be troublemakers where it's entirely fake news. I 440 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 3: don't need to respond. Okay, I really don't need to respond. 441 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 3: I speak to the President all the time. Our economic 442 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 3: team is one, we are together as one. 443 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 1: We get along incredibly well. We speak to each other all. 444 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 3: The time, including yesterday for an enormous amount of time. 445 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 3: Every day today again it's gotta stop. I mean, look, 446 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 3: these these lousy, you know, media outlet. They try to 447 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 3: create something so that you'll talk about and think about it. 448 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: They got you to talk about them. I don't even 449 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 1: want to say their name. 450 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 3: They don't deserve to be read because it's nonsense. 451 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 2: Out of respect for you said, we just wanted to 452 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 2: give you the opportunity to respond in your own way. 453 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 2: I think you have. Missus Secretary, thanks for being gracious 454 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 2: with your time. You've been very generous.