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Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory, Foul Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sahadev Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are your

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Speaker 1: Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic Patrick, where we

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Speaker 1: are recording on Sunday night. So it has been over

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Speaker 1: twenty four hours. Cubs fans hopefully have recovered. But that

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Speaker 1: was a brutal start to the series. And it was

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Speaker 1: the second time in four games that Craig Council has

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Speaker 1: immediately been questioned for a decision. He made Matthew Boyd

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Speaker 1: last two thirds of an inning on three days rest.

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Speaker 1: You know, it just didn't go well for him. He

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Speaker 1: left pitches up. Then there was, of course the critical

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Speaker 1: error by Nico Horner. I don't think anybody's going to

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Speaker 1: be bringing their hands over Nico Horner, whether that's something

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Speaker 1: that happened again he made four areas all season elite

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Speaker 1: defender at second base. This stuff happens, and you cannot

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Speaker 1: make mistakes against this team. Of all teams, this is

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Speaker 1: the one that will capitalize almost every time, and they

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Speaker 1: sure did. It led to four more runs two were

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Speaker 1: already in and nine to three finals. Just a thumping, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean if the Cubs lose this series, and that's not

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Speaker 2: going to be like the entire theme of this show,

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Speaker 2: but if they do, we'll look back on that first

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Speaker 2: inning as just kind of encapsulating everything that's difficult about

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Speaker 2: this matchup at this particular moment, whether it's Milwaukee's lineup,

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Speaker 2: the way they just put pressure on opponents and force

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Speaker 2: even great defenses to make plays over and over again.

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Speaker 2: A deeper lineup than the one they saw in the

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Speaker 2: wildcard round, like San Diego has Tatis and Machado, Jackson, Merrill,

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Speaker 2: but the bottom half got it was a lot easier

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Speaker 2: to navigate. And then you know, Cubs expended a lot

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Speaker 2: of energy, not just celebrating after Game three, but just

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Speaker 2: the way they rode their pitching. It's what you have

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Speaker 2: to do in the postseason. That's not like a criticism

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Speaker 2: of the management of that group is just like to

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Speaker 2: win a playoff round just takes a lot out of you,

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Speaker 2: and Matthew Boyd didn't have it, and I think the

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Speaker 2: Cubs will be I'm just gonna have to play catch

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Speaker 2: up for the rest of the way here. Like you

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Speaker 2: would hope that the Brewers maybe would come out a

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Speaker 2: little flat or we need some time to find their rhythm,

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Speaker 2: and they just absolutely blew the Cubs doors off.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know how different things would feel if

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Speaker 1: Kate Horton was healthy. Yeah, you know, I don't know

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Speaker 1: how many games because that changes everything. You don't know

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Speaker 1: how many games the series goes against San Diego. Who's available,

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Speaker 1: who starts game one? But it probably wouldn't have been

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Speaker 1: someone on short rest. You just feel more comfortable with

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Speaker 1: you know, you're going to things change, but that's not

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Speaker 1: their reality. That's not what they're facing. So you know,

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Speaker 1: you can criticize Craig Council all you want. I think

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Speaker 1: it's fair game to criticize him for that decision. I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how different that game looks

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Speaker 1: if Nico Horner makes that play. If Nico Horner makes

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Speaker 1: that play, that's probably out of that inning with just

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Speaker 1: two runs, because you can't assume what every everything that

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Speaker 1: and it's a very valid and fair point it's possible

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Speaker 1: he settles down and gives them four or five good

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Speaker 1: it has to be questioned because that was the result.

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Speaker 1: That's what happened. He didn't look great, and it toss

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Speaker 1: to the team the game. They were never in that game.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to kind of like analyze anything beyond those

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Speaker 1: like those are the things that happened, and beyond that,

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Speaker 1: it's just like hard to really look at that game

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just unbelievable though. How We're all looking

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Speaker 2: forward to covering this series, and it was like Counsel

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Speaker 2: in baseball and the Cubs fans taking over Wrigley North,

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Speaker 2: and I gotta say, like around twelve fifty, it was loud.

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Speaker 2: Just Michael Bush the lead off home run. You know,

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Speaker 2: absolutely even silence like their own crowd. Obviously Brewers fans

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Speaker 2: It just is crazy in a five game series, first

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Speaker 2: just to flate like that. I guess you never know

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Speaker 1: As they say, yeah, it was, I mean it was

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Speaker 1: kind of like what the Brewers do. They didn't They

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Speaker 1: didn't let up, They didn't give away any outs, they

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Speaker 1: didn't give away any at bats. The Perkins, I believe

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Speaker 1: just a really good battle and and just the type

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Speaker 1: You cannot make mistakes against the Brewers that fourteen game

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Speaker 1: winning streak. If you watched those games, some of them

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Speaker 1: how does this happen? You know, if you're playing the Brewers,

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Speaker 1: it's like, really that this is gonna this is how

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Speaker 1: They put pressure on you at all points. It's just

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Speaker 1: a it's I don't think it's the sexiest way to win,

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Speaker 1: but they won ninety seven games with it. And now

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Speaker 1: the things that I basically said going into like kind

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Speaker 1: starting for the Brewers on Monday. That's that's a win

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Speaker 1: for the Cubs. And the score is zero zero, Like

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Speaker 1: those are the two things. It's it's a what like

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Speaker 1: have been down plenty of times. These things happen, Uh,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if the Cubs leave Milwaukee with a split,

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Speaker 2: But yeah, just it was just just a bad, bad

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Speaker 2: being in the building. It was just like every pitch

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Speaker 1: All right, let's take a break, and let's let's do

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Speaker 1: what the Cubs should do and move on past Game

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Speaker 1: A rare occurrence on the off day, Patrick, we got

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Speaker 2: I nearly fell out of my chair. I could could

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Speaker 1: Showda in Managa starting game two. I don't think anybody's

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Speaker 1: of the high leverage relievers reused. So Council with a

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Speaker 1: That doesn't happen very often. To get those guys multiple

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Speaker 2: Did you ask counsel if he's preparing a good three

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Speaker 1: We took joked about that. I said someone someone said

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Speaker 2: No, I think we can get into the next segment.

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Speaker 1: I think the Cubs were ready to turn the page

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Speaker 2: Game one, but I like the third inning.

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Speaker 1: win this series. I think I in our predictions, I

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Speaker 1: picked them, I expected it to go four or five

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Speaker 1: and for them to win it has to so like

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Speaker 1: nothing really changes. They're healthy, who's gonna pay wh is

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Speaker 1: still lined up, so you know, I think they know that.

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Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's overthinking anything. There's zero sign of that.

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Speaker 1: And you know, these days off kind of I think

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Speaker 1: some of them probably wanted to get back at it today,

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Speaker 1: but it's probably for the best. Yeah, it's probably for

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Speaker 1: the best that they have this extra day off, at

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Speaker 1: least for the bullpen those ritis in particular.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree entirely with what you're saying. I think

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Speaker 2: it's still just has to be said of like winning

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Speaker 2: three or four against the best team in baseball. Like

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Speaker 2: if if they were where the Brewers were wearing Dodgers uniforms,

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Speaker 2: I think the level of freak out would be a

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Speaker 2: lot higher. Like this is still going to be extremely

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Speaker 2: challenging to eliminate this team. Like they've they're not as

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Speaker 2: underestimated as they were earlier in the year, obviously, but

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Speaker 2: I still don't quite think the Brewers are thought of

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Speaker 2: in kind of that same stratosphere as the Dodgers, And like,

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Speaker 2: you know, they keep finding ways they execute at a

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Speaker 2: really high level, Like they're fully lined up here in

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Speaker 2: terms of kind of like rest and things like that.

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Speaker 2: And we'll see if the Cubs have enough to kind

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Speaker 2: of out out Brewer, you know, play Brewer baseball and

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Speaker 2: kind of out maneuver them. But also, like you're saying,

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Speaker 2: one one huge swing, one three run homer, like just

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Speaker 2: kind of totally changes everything. And maybe, you know, late

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Speaker 2: Monday night or maybe after midnight into Tuesday morning, they're

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Speaker 2: heading back into Chicago and it's it's either a totally

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, there's no let's be clear that there's no

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Speaker 1: lay up here because in ninety seven and win Brewers

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Speaker 1: team they are tough to beat, and it's it won't

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Speaker 1: be easy, Like they have to play clean baseball. They didn't.

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Speaker 1: They made one mistake and that cost them. So you

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Speaker 1: can't do that against this team. I also think it's important,

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Speaker 1: like people like to talk about the Brewers like they're

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Speaker 1: this scrappy team that does all the little things and

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Speaker 1: the Cubs are the big bad Cubs. The Cubs do

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Speaker 1: all the little things. That's why they finally had this

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Speaker 1: really good season. They cleaned up all the mistakes. They're

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Speaker 1: a great defensive team, they're a great base running team.

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Speaker 1: They're scrappy too, but they're also the big bad Cubs.

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Speaker 1: Big bad Cubs in quotation marks. You know, they have

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Speaker 1: the bigger payroll. They're in the bigger city, so they

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Speaker 1: get more press. I understand all that Brewers are a

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Speaker 1: damn good team and should not be overlooked. They're not.

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Speaker 1: I think that they have this chip on their shoulder

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Speaker 1: and they talk about themselves like they're underdogs. I think

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Speaker 1: they kind of like that mentality and they feed off

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Speaker 1: of it, and they've they've got a point because I

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Speaker 1: think people You're right, people still do overlook them, even

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Speaker 1: though they've won ninety seven games. I haven't I should

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Speaker 1: go count the number of people that picked the Brewers

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Speaker 1: versus the Cubs in our in our predictions. Uh, but

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Speaker 1: I'm guessing it's at least even probably if not in

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Speaker 1: favor of the Cubs. And then beyond that, like I

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Speaker 1: think people just yeah, they they underestimate, underestimate this team,

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Speaker 1: and we just like it's the running joke on this podcast,

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Speaker 1: how I always think that, oh, this is the year

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Speaker 1: the Brewers are going to be bad. I stopped that

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Speaker 1: two years ago. I decided to finally stop that. But

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Speaker 1: still it just that's what the Brewers are, and they

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Speaker 1: it's just time to like, damn good team. They may

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Speaker 1: not win in the Yankees way with power. They don't

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Speaker 1: have the power that the Cubs have, and that's why

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Speaker 1: they probably don't get the same attention. But and they're

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Speaker 1: in Milwaukee, not New York or Chicago or LA. But

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Speaker 1: this won't the rest of the series won't be easy.

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Speaker 1: I think the Cubs are right there and have a

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Speaker 1: great chance to win it. We'll see how the rest

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Speaker 1: of it goes, all right, Patrick, we will be back.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we'll be back Monday night since so

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Speaker 1: we'll be talking to you all early Tuesday. Well, we'll

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Speaker 1: have a podcast out at some point after Monday's game

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Speaker 1: getting ready for Game three. We will see if that

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Speaker 1: is that Game three in Chicago is you know, come

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Speaker 1: back against the wall or if they're feeling good about

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Speaker 1: themselves and then tie the series up and then heading

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Speaker 1: back to Chicago looking to take a serious lead. All right,

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Speaker 1: we'll be back at it soon. Thanks for listening to everyone.

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