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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to a new edition of Between the Horns,

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Speaker 1: presented by your Southern California Toyota Dealers. It's Week eight

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Speaker 1: in the National Football League, final week before the NFL's

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Speaker 1: trade deadline, and it's good to see some familiar faces.

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Speaker 1: It's been a minute since we were all together in

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Speaker 1: the same.

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Speaker 2: Room, Is that, Marie?

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Speaker 3: I feel like I feel like the airport really didn't

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Speaker 3: like me last week, Like it was unbelievable. Yeah, Lax

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Speaker 3: was shut down. I couldn't get down here, so I

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Speaker 3: made sure I talked to the boss man. Jory Herschel,

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Speaker 3: was like, I'm catching the first flight out of Oakland

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Speaker 3: this morning, so tired that I take a nap before

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Speaker 3: I got up here.

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Speaker 2: Are you buying that I think we should find him?

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Speaker 3: Well, I want I'll pay the fine. I'll pay the

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Speaker 3: fine for sure.

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Speaker 1: I think we're gonna go some good things on Between

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Speaker 1: the Horns here that I wish that our audience could

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Speaker 1: be with us before the show, because that's all the good, the.

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Speaker 2: Stuff we can't tell.

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Speaker 1: Yes, before we move on to the Dallas Cowboys, anyone

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Speaker 1: have any lingering thoughts on the one that got away

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Speaker 1: against the Pittsburgh Steelers just horrible taste.

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Speaker 2: Right, I'm still not over it. Yeah, yeah, it hurts.

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Speaker 2: It hurts. That's one you should have got. That is

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Speaker 2: one you should have got. Can you actually say Pittsburgh

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Speaker 2: is better than the La Rams?

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Speaker 3: No, not at all.

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Speaker 2: But who walked away with the w That's why it stinks.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's getting to the point where we believe the

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Speaker 1: Rams are better than three and four, but it's also

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Speaker 1: weak eight. You're almost at the midway point. And until

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Speaker 1: you go out and beat a team like the Dallas

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Speaker 1: Cowboys that many people don't think you can or should

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Speaker 1: to even things out, then that's just where you are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I really believe like the Rams dominated that game except

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Speaker 3: for the score of the points part right, like statistically

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Speaker 3: better rushing, passing, defense, all that stuff. And we talked

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Speaker 3: about it before the game, like you have two score

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Speaker 3: points against at pittsburghs either if you let them hang around.

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Speaker 3: For whatever reason, Mike Tommin has these guys believing if

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Speaker 3: they hang around, they'll find a way. Obviously, missing the kicks,

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Speaker 3: all those little things end up coming back to bite

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Speaker 3: you in the end. But the Rams played really well

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Speaker 3: in that game. I mean they were running the ball,

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Speaker 3: at will, Darryl Henderson comes back, gets eighteen carries fresh

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Speaker 3: off the street. I love it, you know, Uh, Pooka

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Speaker 3: Nakota a huge day. I just want to see both

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Speaker 3: Pooka and Cooper Cup have a huge day together. I

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Speaker 3: think that'll be the next step for the Rams. But

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Speaker 3: like you said, DeMarco, if you can put it all together,

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Speaker 3: that'd been a complete victory, a complete team victory.

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Speaker 1: It's a reason for optimism, isn't it yet? That the

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Speaker 1: Rams have played seven games, They've had a path to

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Speaker 1: victory in each of them, and yet they haven't put

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Speaker 1: it all together. But then there comes a point in

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Speaker 1: time where if you haven't put it together by the

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Speaker 1: end of October, that becomes an issue.

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Speaker 2: You're out of the playoffs. Yeah, you are what your

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Speaker 2: record says you are, no matter how we feel about

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Speaker 2: how you played. Moral victories only take you so far.

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Speaker 2: But you know, you keep stacking up these games that

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Speaker 2: side of it. It gets frustrating. So moving on into Dallas,

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Speaker 2: you know this is the week where when you lose

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Speaker 2: a game like this, this is where guys do something

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Speaker 1: All right, let me lead you both through some news

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Speaker 1: and notes from the Los Angeles Rams facilities so far

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Speaker 1: as they prepare for Week eight and the trip to Arlington.

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Speaker 1: As we know Brett Maher, former cowboy, will not be returning,

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Speaker 1: the Rams have opted to go in a different direction.

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Speaker 1: No final answer on what that direction is yet. They've

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Speaker 1: signed Lucas haverstik Off a practice squad, so he's with them,

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Speaker 1: some other more veteran kickers auditioning behind the scenes. We'll

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Speaker 1: see which direction they go. But I'll say this, as

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Speaker 1: much as we all focus on Maher's mistakes last week

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Speaker 1: against Pittsburgh, I think there's plays along the way and

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Speaker 1: decisions along the way that could have kept you from

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Speaker 1: having your field goal unit take the field for fifty

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Speaker 3: I completely agree. I think there were some third down situations.

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Speaker 3: I thought there were some first downs situations, and it's

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Speaker 3: awesome to see kind of the evolution of this offense

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Speaker 3: though there were the times where the Rams went pass

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Speaker 3: could have been run, play action pass pass and your

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Speaker 3: I think would have been much better once you I know,

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Speaker 3: it's a more conservative way, but it kept the Pittsburgh

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Speaker 3: running the football right. It was the defense having their

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Speaker 3: and so it just it just was certain things that

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Speaker 1: Puka, with his third rookie of the week honor the

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Speaker 1: National Football League and the Rams have four total when

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Speaker 1: you combine them with Byron Young's effort from a couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks ago, Hunter Long, the tight end that the

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Speaker 1: His practice window has been opened twenty one days where

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Speaker 1: he might be activated off injured reserve. But the news

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Speaker 1: of the week Sean and Veronica McVeigh adding to their family,

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Speaker 1: welcoming their first son to the world, Jordan fathers, the

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Speaker 1: three of us. I know, we're all excited for the McVeigh.

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Speaker 2: Fan Man, can that guy coach? Yeah, you had your

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Speaker 2: actually plan. That's amazing. But congratulations, that's huge. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we've seen the evolution of Sean McVay, right, the youngest coach.

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Speaker 2: Now he's a dad, super Bowl champion, I mean, and

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about having children and going to Dallas,

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Speaker 1: and you guys both know that that kind of has

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Speaker 1: Saturday night and taking the red eye to Dallas. That

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Speaker 1: game didn't go well for the Rams. I don't remember

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Speaker 3: You were green I turned. That was when I was vegan,

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Speaker 3: and then we went to Dallas. As you don't remember

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Speaker 3: that I went. We went to Dallas. I was there

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Speaker 3: in LA with vegan.

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Speaker 2: Go to Dallas.

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Speaker 3: There's no such thing as vegan in Dallas. And there

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Speaker 3: you have it. Your boy just couldn't hold anything down.

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Speaker 3: Never been that shit. I've only been that shit. Agreed

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Speaker 3: on boats. That was terrible.

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Speaker 1: That wasn't the trip to Dallas that I was planning

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Speaker 1: on comparing to this week, but it happened to coincide.

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Speaker 1: Twenty seventeen is the one that I want to draw

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Speaker 1: comparison to, and you guys let me know if this

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Speaker 1: is too much of a stretch. But going back to

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Speaker 1: Sean mcvay's first year and that Week four contest where

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Speaker 1: they rallied in the second half to beat the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: To me, that's when the whole rocket ship took off.

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Speaker 1: That's when I knew that Sean McVay was up to something,

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Speaker 1: that he was for real That's when I knew that

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Speaker 1: Jared Goff was a professional quarterback, right, That's when I

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Speaker 1: knew the had a chance to go from worse to first.

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Speaker 1: I want to give you a chance to reflect on

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Speaker 1: that game too, if you like. But even though the

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Speaker 1: Ram's writing much different portion of their history now, I

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Speaker 1: think there's that opportunity this week to go get the Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: to get back to five hundred and to really launch

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Speaker 1: something this season and beyond.

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Speaker 2: I think you're exactly right. Anytime you can beat the

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Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys, especially there, it gives your team a lift.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it is America's team, so to speak. So

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Speaker 2: you go down there and you win there, your Q

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Speaker 2: rating is going to rise. But that game in twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 2: I just remember in the first half, Zeke Elliott was

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Speaker 2: killing you, absolutely just controlling that football game. And then

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Speaker 2: it seemed like the defense just decided enough was enough

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Speaker 2: them down in the second half. So I'm with you

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Speaker 2: defensively speaking, I'm like, I think you're at the embryos

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Speaker 2: stage of something special. If you can keep this up

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Speaker 2: and they did.

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Speaker 1: Didn't they move Michael Brockers around something in that game?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to the strong side they did.

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Speaker 3: It was the safety turned linebacker Mark Baron. Mark barn

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Speaker 3: had a huge hit in that game that kind of

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Speaker 1: Yes, sir, but it was the girly play for it.

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Speaker 3: To me, offensively, it was the girly play. It was

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Speaker 3: crackbacking on guys when you could when you could do

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Speaker 3: the du the crack back knocking guys out, and that

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Speaker 3: I want to say it just won the rushing title.

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Speaker 3: They were like they were rolling. They went thirteen and

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Speaker 3: three the year before you went down there. You knocked

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Speaker 3: him out right away, and so uh, to me, that

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Speaker 3: Jared Golf getting the ball out that was kind of

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Speaker 3: And so I'm excited. You know, history repeats itself sometimes.

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Speaker 3: Is this another opportunity for the Rams to go down?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I think the the undergirding of this

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Speaker 1: roster is so much about the class of twenty two

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Speaker 1: and twenty three, and the twenty two group had it

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Speaker 1: hard last year. The twenty three groups experienced some success,

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Speaker 1: but they haven't put a complete game together yet. If

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Speaker 1: you have that opportunity and you can capitalize it on

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Speaker 1: this weekend, I think it sets a course at a

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Speaker 1: different point in this season, just like that win got

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Speaker 1: a course back in twenty seventeen. Now, Greg Zerlin had

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Speaker 1: That's not the formula the Rams need here against these

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Speaker 2: I agree with you one JB.

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Speaker 3: I would say, you know the whole mentalitia burned the

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Speaker 3: We've done this before. We've been into a hostle environment

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Speaker 2: There's will be all.

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Speaker 3: The stars are going to be there, people gonna get

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Speaker 3: I think you kind of jump on Dallas and they kind.

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Speaker 1: I mean you guys know me. I'm guilty to a

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Speaker 2: Oh, no doubt. I don't mind saying it. This is

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Speaker 3: Are you gonna say it?

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Speaker 2: Let's go. Absolutely, I don't mind saying it.

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Speaker 1: Because you can always look at it from the dark

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Speaker 2: If you don't get it, what happens to your season,

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Speaker 1: Oh you talked about not having your eyes too wide

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Speaker 1: That's because for so many of the Rams, for lots

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Speaker 4: They're all football games, you know, and enjoy playing in

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Speaker 2: Every time I go there. I feel like it's a

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Speaker 2: You have to control him. Call out number eleven. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I thought Matthew Stafford last week was phenomenal. The scramble

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Speaker 2: It's the only play he made, and you have to

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Speaker 1: I just don't know if Pittsburgh had like an OsO

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Speaker 3: they're gonna move, utilize him the same way you utilize

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Speaker 3: Aaron Donald. Right, He's gonna get to pick who he

438
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Speaker 3: wants to rush on. So when you get that opportunity

439
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Speaker 3: to go against him, you better have a running back

440
00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,840
Speaker 3: chip him. You better have presence by someone else. Turn

441
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Speaker 3: the slide to him different ways to help your quarterback

442
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Speaker 3: and your offense get going.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask about Dak Prescott in the season that

444
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Speaker 1: he's had and really week to week he was all

445
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Speaker 1: the way down after getting embarrassed by the forty nine

446
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Speaker 1: Ers defense and then kind of claim all the way

447
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Speaker 1: back in that win over the Chargers where he did

448
00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:48,119
Speaker 1: it throwing in and also as a design runner, he

449
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Speaker 1: really struggles against zone for whatever reason. That's what kind

450
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Speaker 1: of the next gen stats say that three of his picks,

451
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Speaker 1: none of his touchdowns have come against own coverage. Well,

452
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Speaker 1: the Rams, as we know, play as much zone as

453
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Speaker 1: any defense in the National Football League. Can that formula

454
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Speaker 1: work if you keep the Cowboys in front of you

455
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Speaker 1: and force them to put together eight ten play drives.

456
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Speaker 3: I truly believe the playing off works of this game.

457
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Speaker 3: Playing off like the off covers soft covers, because the

458
00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,720
Speaker 3: Cowboys want to get chunk plays. Mike McCarthy wants to

459
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Speaker 3: run the football and then throw the ball down the field.

460
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Speaker 3: He's old school right play action pass crosses.

461
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Speaker 1: All those things like Jack's depth of target, it's dropped

462
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Speaker 1: all the way down exactly ours per completion, all those things.

463
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Speaker 1: Rookie levels.

464
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Speaker 3: Right, All those things are about moving the ball down

465
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Speaker 3: the field, and so understanding when you have that is

466
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Speaker 3: that that that opens up your quarterback. It's kind of

467
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Speaker 3: like the old he was the coach for the Buccaneers,

468
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Speaker 3: just the old coach for the Buccaneers last before Todd Bowles,

469
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Speaker 3: Bruce arians. Yeah, it's the same mentality. We're gonna run

470
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Speaker 3: the football and then we're gonna play action pass and

471
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Speaker 3: we're gonna take shots vertically, and so that opens up

472
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Speaker 3: your quarterback to hits. That opens up your quarterback to sacks.

473
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Speaker 3: But it also it's a risk reward like no risk

474
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Speaker 3: and no biscuits kind of the mindset. So you have

475
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Speaker 3: to understand, you stopped the run on first down, they're

476
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Speaker 3: gonna the're gonna he's gonna ppen this thing up to

477
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Speaker 3: throw the ball. And then you've heard Seed the Lamb complain.

478
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Speaker 3: And even in that Chargers game, when you watch that game,

479
00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,080
Speaker 3: Dak didn't play the best, right, he was a fourth

480
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Speaker 3: and one where they got him on a QB sweep

481
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Speaker 3: and then he had a couple throws in that game.

482
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Speaker 3: He's still struggling to get find who he is. And

483
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Speaker 3: so there's a lot of people in Dallas. There's a

484
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Speaker 3: lot of noise in Dallas right now about him and

485
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Speaker 3: will he be back next year, all these different things.

486
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Speaker 3: So he's dealing with a ton of pressure and distraction.

487
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Speaker 3: If you're the RAM, you can create more pressure and

488
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Speaker 3: distraction by going out there and having them start slush.

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Speaker 2: Some of those cowboy fans are gonna get exactly what

490
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Speaker 2: they want. If they let go of Dak Prescott, you

491
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Speaker 2: get somebody else. I hope he's better, but I hope

492
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Speaker 2: shout out to Mike Tomlin and Matt Canada. I hope

493
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Speaker 2: that Dallas did what Pittsburgh did and challenge Aaron Donald

494
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Speaker 2: to go one on one with guards. Really, I mean,

495
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Speaker 2: I could not believe Pittsburgh allowed Aaron to go one

496
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Speaker 2: on one because he won every single one he can

497
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Speaker 2: single up on. So if they do that and you

498
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Speaker 2: play zone, you'll have pressure on Dak and then we'll

499
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Speaker 2: see if he can pick up zone coverage. But if

500
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Speaker 2: you want to go up tempo and bring pressure like

501
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Speaker 2: you did versus Pittsburgh, the one thing you can't do

502
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Speaker 2: when you are getting guys home is waste that pass

503
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Speaker 2: rush by letting guys catch it. You gotta have tighter

504
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Speaker 2: coverage in the back end, make plays on the football

505
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Speaker 2: because man, that is so frustrated. I don't know if

506
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Speaker 2: you've had this before, or maybe you've had a breakaway

507
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 2: run that gets called back due to holding. It's frustrating, right,

508
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,000
Speaker 2: same thing when you're rushing the passer and you knock

509
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Speaker 2: the quarterback down or you give him a good shot

510
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,280
Speaker 2: and you get up and you look down and it's

511
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Speaker 2: a first down?

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Speaker 3: Are you talking about that third down? Playing a kid?

513
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Speaker 3: George Pickens up the scene. There's few, no one's there.

514
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Speaker 3: But this is the thing like the Rams, aren't. They

515
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Speaker 3: did some exotic things against Pittsburg that I haven't seen

516
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Speaker 3: that defense do. And when you when you practice those things,

517
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Speaker 3: you rep those things, but it's not something that you

518
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Speaker 3: do all the time. You're gonna get those type of

519
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Speaker 3: things right where you have Kobe Durant playing safety and

520
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 3: either you're gonna have to someone's gonna have to run

521
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Speaker 3: with Pickings as he's running up the scene. I know

522
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Speaker 3: you're getting two verticals, but someone's gonna have to cover

523
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Speaker 3: something here, right. You just can't let the inside guy go.

524
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Speaker 3: But you got to get used to doing those things

525
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Speaker 3: over and over again to kind of get the kind

526
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Speaker 3: of covered you went on the back end, right, that

527
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 3: was a pressure that I've never seen the Rams bring before.

528
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Speaker 2: And well, look, when you're not sliding to aaron and

529
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Speaker 2: you're allowing that guard to go one on one, that's

530
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Speaker 2: gonna open things up on the backside where you bring

531
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Speaker 2: a backer, he eats up the running back and then

532
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Speaker 2: the safety comes right behind him right to the quarterback.

533
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Speaker 2: They almost bisected pickings, yeah, on the first drive, so

534
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Speaker 2: that stuff was getting home. The problem is later on

535
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Speaker 2: you were wasting those good blitzes, wasting those good hits

536
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Speaker 2: because they were completions on the other ends. There is

537
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Speaker 2: nothing more frustrating and more tiring than that for a

538
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Speaker 2: pass rusher.

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Speaker 1: Is that your key to the game. Then as we

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Speaker 1: transition to kind of the final segment between the horns there.

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Speaker 2: You have to marry that coverage with the pass rush

542
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Speaker 2: if you're winning up front, and this is a team

543
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Speaker 2: that's twenty ninth in sacks, so every better pressure is

544
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Speaker 2: so important. When you're getting it, make sure you're tightening

545
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Speaker 2: up in the back end and you're paying that stuff

546
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Speaker 2: off and vice versa. If they're covering their butt off

547
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Speaker 2: in the back end, you make sure you're getting to

548
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Speaker 2: the quarterback. So that is my key for beating Dallas.

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Speaker 3: To me, always, it's gonna be the same thing that

550
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Speaker 3: it was last week. I think a balanced diet offensively

551
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Speaker 3: where you get the offensive line taking control of the

552
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Speaker 3: line of scrimmage right, moving the line of scrimmage. We

553
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Speaker 3: talked about not allowing TJ. Watt and Ali high Smith

554
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Speaker 3: to take over the game. It was because you had

555
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Speaker 3: them on their heels. You were running the ball, play action, pass,

556
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 3: quick screens, different things all over. You utilize your whole offense,

557
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 3: and no one knew what was going on, right and

558
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 3: it was just a one turnover coming out of half

559
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 3: when you just did regular drop back empty. So continue

560
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Speaker 3: with that and continue growing with that, running the ball

561
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Speaker 3: with Royce Freeman, Darryl Henderson, letting those guys kind of

562
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Speaker 3: wear down the the defense and then take your shots.

563
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Speaker 3: The other thing I will say part of that is

564
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Speaker 3: get Cooper Cup and Pooka Nakua going at the same time.

565
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Speaker 3: Oh man, if you can get both of those guys

566
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Speaker 3: one hundred yards receiving five to eight catches, that's a

567
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Speaker 3: different animal than most teams have seen. And if you

568
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Speaker 3: can find a way to get that going. I think

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Speaker 3: that's gonna be huge running the ball and getting those

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Speaker 3: two guys going in the passing m hear you.

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Speaker 1: I feel like they have got that going, but the

572
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Speaker 1: Rants are just leading the national football again.

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Speaker 2: Drops.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's what's so painful still about. You know,

575
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Speaker 1: the Week seven loss, and at points this season is

576
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Speaker 1: we expected growing pains from this young group, but there

577
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Speaker 1: have been critical mistakes by in a lot of cases

578
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Speaker 1: your captains, right, like the Higgbe drop last week, the

579
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Speaker 1: cup drops last week, the Stafford interception last week. To me,

580
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Speaker 1: if your leaders play well this week, you got a

581
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Speaker 1: chance to go toe to toe with the Dallas Cowboys.

582
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Speaker 1: And then the other thing is, I'm really curious to

583
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Speaker 1: see how this kicking situation resolves itself. In fact, I

584
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Speaker 1: want to I want to throw to what John McVay

585
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Speaker 1: said about kind of his introspection and how the uncertainty

586
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Speaker 1: at the kicker position might influence his offensive game plan

587
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Speaker 1: this week.

588
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Speaker 5: Each week, you know, entails a little bit different approach,

589
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Speaker 5: And I think when you get to those situations, right,

590
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Speaker 5: how do you call it third down? What does that

591
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Speaker 5: get you to where you're deeming it?

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Speaker 2: All?

593
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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 5: This is where we're going to go forward or we

595
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Speaker 5: feel like we're gonna kick it, and a lot of

596
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Speaker 5: those things are predicated on, you know, the the stadium

597
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Speaker 5: that you're at, and so far entails in operation where

598
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Speaker 5: it's clean, it's an indoor if you will, you know,

599
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Speaker 5: basically because of you know, the weather and end up

600
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Speaker 5: being a factor in regards to how the stadium is

601
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Speaker 5: set up. And so ultimately, all of that being said,

602
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Speaker 5: there's a lot of things that go into it, and

603
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 5: those are things that you want to consistently and intentionally

604
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Speaker 5: be better about for our team. And that's an exact

605
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Speaker 5: conversation that I've had with myself and with other members

606
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Speaker 5: of the staff as we move forward.

607
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Speaker 1: So we kind of talked earlier about embracing that that

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Speaker 1: four down mode. I guess a way to summarize that

609
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Speaker 1: as the key is, whoever ends up being the RAMS

610
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Speaker 1: kicker this week, let's have him just focus on extra

611
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Speaker 1: points because I think you can kick offs kick offs.

612
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Speaker 3: You just got to worry about putting the ball between

613
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Speaker 3: the goal and the twenty to fifteen yard.

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Speaker 1: Three yard ones.

615
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Speaker 2: That's always that's all you want. Almost every drive and.

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Speaker 1: A kick, and almost every drive and a kick.

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Speaker 2: Or I guess it's still yeah, end every driving a

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Speaker 2: kick extra point. I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: I just think you're saying favorable down in distance. It

620
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Speaker 1: does two things. One, it keeps the Micah Parsons of

621
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Speaker 1: the world out of your hair. Two, it gives you

622
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Speaker 1: the chance to maybe be a little bit more aggressive

623
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Speaker 1: on those third and five and less and those four

624
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Speaker 1: down potential ghost situations from ad or beyond midfield.

625
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no doubt. And look, based on what what

626
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 2: did last week, I'm still not removing Michael Parsons from

627
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 2: my best defensive player in the world right now going

628
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 2: strong outside of Aaron Donald, he is still that guy

629
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Speaker 2: you can wreck your whole season in one game, so

630
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Speaker 2: respect him.

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Speaker 3: The funny thing is, it's just him though we're last

632
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 3: week you had two, you had two guys.

633
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Speaker 2: How do you feel about DeMarcus Lawrence. We talked about this.

634
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 2: He's still a problem.

635
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Speaker 1: He is, but he's not one of his best years.

636
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Speaker 1: But hit in the league.

637
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Speaker 3: He's still he's still like a run stopper to me,

638
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 3: He's a power guy. He's not the Pittsburgh had two

639
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 3: bookends that came been the corner. You got a guy

640
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 3: who's gonna go through you and a guy that can

641
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 3: bend the corner.

642
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Speaker 2: That's different.

643
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Speaker 1: I get the sense you guys don't want to wrap

644
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: this up. You got more keys of the game. How

645
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: about everybody go vegan this weekend.

646
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 3: No no no no no no no no no no.

647
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Speaker 3: For all my people out there, don't go to Dallas

648
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 3: if you're vegan, stop it. It's the worst thing to do.

649
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Speaker 1: Safe travels, everyone looking forward to Week eight. This one

650
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: feels like a playoff contest right rams at the Cowboys

651
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: coming off there by for m J D for Tomaco,

652
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: far on JB. Long. This is between the Horns, presented

653
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Speaker 1: by your Southern California Toyota de