1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Building Brownstown and today I 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: am very happy to be joined by John O, Harris's 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: senior executive vice president from Lincoln Property Group. And Johno, 4 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: you're going to be working on everything around the new 5 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: and closed stadium at brook Park. There. Just if you 6 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: could give people a little bit of a background from Lincoln. 7 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:20,159 Speaker 1: You've worked on The Star in Dallas. You know, what 8 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: do you like so much about these development projects around 9 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: stadiums like this and these kind of economic impact that 10 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: they can make. 11 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting when you when you step back 12 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 2: and you and you look at these type of developments, 13 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 2: it's ultimately is about bringing people together, whether it's for 14 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 2: a game, whether it's for you know, the experiential retail 15 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 2: that we're bringing, whether it's hotels, whether it's office, whether 16 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 2: it's uh, you know, the true work lib play environment. 17 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 2: And you know, ultimately, you know, it brings people together 18 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 2: and it's a connective tissue, just like the Browns organization. 19 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: One of the things that you like about being maybe 20 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:59,959 Speaker 1: not the first one that's been done, is I meant 21 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: and you guys have done the Star, what have you 22 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: learned kind of about these entertainment districts that you're going 23 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: to be able to apply here, uh for in the 24 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: Brook Park development. 25 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the first and foremost it's it's a 26 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 2: connective tissue with the stadium and with the organization like 27 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 2: the Browns. You know, when you step back and certainly 28 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 2: we are huge Browns fans, but but if you look 29 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 2: at the at the fan base that that the Browns 30 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 2: have in Northeast Ohio, just having in an environment today 31 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 2: where it's so digitally I mean we're we're we're talking 32 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 2: over over video right now, but it's so digitally mastered, 33 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 2: you know, throughout our lives. To have that analog experience, 34 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 2: uh is what people are driving for with their families, 35 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 2: their friends and and you know, uh the people of 36 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 2: their of the community. 37 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: When you look at you know, these types of projects. 38 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: What was it specifically maybe about this location that you 39 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: guys found so appealing because it is, you know, close 40 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: to an airport, it's got a lot of major freeways 41 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: Ingress and egress, and obviously the state will be there 42 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: as well. But what's specifically about this location in Northeast 43 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: Ohio is so appealing to you? 44 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 2: Well, you took a lot of my answers I mean 45 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 2: you said it for me, but I mean, honestly, you know, look, 46 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 2: you think about the close proximity of the airport, That's 47 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 2: that's really important, right. I also think, look, there is 48 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 2: if you if you look across the country, and you know, 49 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 2: I said it a little bit earlier, but if you 50 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 2: look at the Browns fan base, it is larger arguably 51 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 2: than any other you know, in the country relative to 52 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 2: to the continuity of of you know, the surrounding area, 53 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 2: and you look at the growth relative to Northeast Ohio 54 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,959 Speaker 2: and what's happening. It's just all that sort of culminates 55 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 2: together to create something, you know, ultimately truly special for 56 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 2: you know, the community in Northeast Ohio. 57 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: What kind of an impact do you think these things 58 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: you've seen the impact they can have, that they actually 59 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: can have on from an economic standpoint on this community 60 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 1: here in Northeast o Him. 61 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, everybody wants to talk about the numbers 62 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 2: and talk about you know, you know this is going 63 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 2: to have one hundred million, two hundred, three hundred and 64 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 2: four hundred, whatever the number is. 65 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,679 Speaker 3: Right, I think at the end of the day, it's 66 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 3: more than just that. 67 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 2: What it what it really is is the ability for 68 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 2: the region to grow and to come together too. And 69 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 2: so the example I would give you is, you know, 70 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 2: if you look at what we did at the Star, 71 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 2: you know, we we didn't expect to build the office 72 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 2: that we've built there, and that the culmination of the 73 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 2: Cowboys coming together with experiential retail, with the collaboration of 74 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: their sponsors and and and bringing that all together would 75 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 2: create you know, doctor Pepprick kure X Headquarters. 76 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 3: T I A. Kraft. 77 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 2: You know, go down the list where we built an 78 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 2: extreme amount of of office. You know, then you go 79 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 2: into in the Baylor and what they've done on the 80 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 2: medical center, so all that, you know, it's I wish 81 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 2: we had a crystal ball to say this is. 82 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 3: What's going to happen. But but you want to put 83 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 3: all those. 84 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 2: Things together with a great community, a great ownership, a 85 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 2: great team, a great fan base, and then let it happen. 86 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 2: And that's and ultimately we're just trying to foster that 87 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 2: to the growth to really create something special. You know, 88 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 2: as I said in Northeast Ohio. 89 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 1: With that in mind, you know, how do you guys 90 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: kind of look through, Okay, we want to have this 91 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: much office, we want to have hotels, We've got the restaurants, 92 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: the retail. What's that mix and how are those mixes 93 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: evolving in these kind of developments so that it can 94 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: be something that can be a destination in its own right, 95 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: it can be something that is very helpful obviously for 96 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: the people who are just walking through on their way 97 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: into the stadium. How do you guys think about everything 98 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: that'll be actually housed in this entertainment district? 99 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it's really interesting. I mean we said. 100 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 2: It when we talk to the Browns organization early on. 101 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 2: We're going to have one hundred different iterations of this. 102 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 2: Our ultimate job is to create the flexibility for the 103 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 2: market to dictate what's there Now. There is some core 104 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 2: and and core developmental or core pieces that have to 105 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 2: come into place. That experiential retail is really really important. 106 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 2: And when I say experiential retail, that are things like 107 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 2: the puttery, you know, go down the list that people 108 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 2: can go not just have F and B, but also 109 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 2: have an experience with their colleagues, with their family, with 110 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 2: their friends, right, So that's really important. And then also 111 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 2: where are they going to stay? That that includes multifamily, 112 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:35,799 Speaker 2: that includes you know, hotels, right, and so making sure 113 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 2: that those things come together, and then that connective tissue 114 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 2: with the UH, with the stadium and so and I 115 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 2: and I talked a little bit about experiential retail. That 116 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 2: experiential retail may be you know, a three to five 117 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 2: thousand you know seat, you know, UH venue that can 118 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 2: house concerts, comedy shows, go down, the go down the list, right, 119 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 2: and so all that's starting to come together. Now that's 120 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 2: effectively in the first phase. What phase two, three and 121 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 2: on is going to be sort of dictated by the 122 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 2: market and the demand, But we just got to foster 123 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 2: that and create the flexibility for that to come in 124 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 2: order to create that ultimate project. 125 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people are excited to see 126 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: the stadium. I think everything around it that you're working 127 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: on is going to be very exciting too. And I 128 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 1: know you guys must be excited because at some point 129 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: in this he said, this isn't just a project we 130 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: want to work on. You guys decided to become equity 131 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: partners in this project, so clearly you believe in it. 132 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 1: What led you to that conclusion that not only do 133 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: we want to work on this, we want to be 134 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: equity partners in it. 135 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think. 136 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 2: I think starting at the foundation, one we believed in 137 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 2: northeast Ohio. Two, we believed in the Browns, we believed 138 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 2: in the organization. 139 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:54,239 Speaker 3: And then I will say this, having done this and having. 140 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 2: Been part of large scale mixed use projects like what 141 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 2: we're talking about, partnership is really important because they are 142 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 2: so large, so complicated, that there's going to be situations issues, 143 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 2: you know, stumbling box hurdles that you got to get over. 144 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 2: And having a partnership like we have with the Browns 145 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 2: and the Hazlm family is number one in my in 146 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 2: my opinion, because they've been an unbelievable group to work with. 147 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 2: It's been very collaborative. They they they truly have been. 148 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 2: We've built a great partnership and I think that breeds partnership, 149 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 2: breed success, and we were built on partnership, and so 150 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 2: having that partnership is extremely important to us. 151 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 3: Well. 152 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: We are certainly excited about the partnership and excited to 153 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: see what this entertainment district looks like as we build 154 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: Browns down around that enclosed stadium in brook Park. Johnna, 155 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: we thank you so much for the time. Can't wait 156 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: to see what this looks like and go from you know, 157 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: seeing computer renderings and actually walking right through it on 158 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: our way to a Browns game. So we appreciate the 159 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: time and the partnership and can't wait to see what 160 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: you guys come up. 161 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 2: It's gonna be it's it's a it's been a fun 162 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 2: rod thus far, and it's gonna be even better as 163 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 2: we as we get closer and closer. So I appreciate 164 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 2: and thanks for the time, and this has been a 165 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 2: lot of fun.