1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hell that for me. I'm 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: a man, I'm forty. 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 2: be happy. 5 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 3: You want to be happy for Dake Edo State? 6 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 1: Is that? Whoo whoo? And them and Tye. 7 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 4: Welcome back to these solid verbal boys and girls. My 8 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 4: name is ty hilden Brandt. That fine gentleman over there 9 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 4: as always you know him. His name is Dan RUBINSTEINZ Sir. 10 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show How goes? 11 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 2: It's terrific, ty, I get to learn about another team 12 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 2: well in advance of the season when roster is already 13 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: like pretty much locked in. We'll see what happens in 14 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 2: the fall with any sort of transfer intentions anyway. But 15 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 2: I'm getting a jump on learning about teams that I 16 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 2: was going to deep dive in the summertime. So this 17 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 2: is great, and especially the team I'm always pretty interested in. 18 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 2: I'm terrific, man. 19 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 4: I am fascinated by NC State, Yeah, I am fascinated. 20 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 4: Today we're talking NC State with Corey Smith Pacpride dot Com. 21 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 4: We have been titling these episodes. Will it ever happen? 22 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 4: For so and so? USC Penn State, Tennessee, Nebraska. This 23 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 4: concept has NC State. 24 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: Written all over it. 25 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 4: Frankly, Yeah, because the wolf Pack solid team. 26 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. 27 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 4: Truly a solid team under Dave Dorn eleven years in rawleigh, 28 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,559 Speaker 4: nine winning seasons. Notably, though Dave Dorn has never finished 29 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 4: the season with more than nine wins. Today, I think 30 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 4: we're gonna chat about why that is, how close NC 31 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 4: State is to getting over that proverbial hump breaking out, 32 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera. 33 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:35,839 Speaker 1: So we're excited to have Corey on here. 34 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 4: If you're just joining us for the first time, hit follow, 35 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 4: hit subscribe wherever it is you're consuming this podcast. That 36 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 4: ensures you get all of our episodes if. 37 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 3: You really like what we do. 38 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 4: Verballers dot com is where you can go to sign 39 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 4: up for the Patreon get these episodes a little bit 40 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 4: early without the ads. You also get bonus perks like 41 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 4: our Discord server, et cetera, et cetera. But this will 42 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 4: be a good show. I am excited to talk about 43 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 4: NC State today, Dan. 44 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: Oh, Yeah, at NC State especially fascinating. You look at 45 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 2: the past few years and just like you want to 46 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 2: win a bunch of games with very limited quarterback talent 47 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 2: and very limited quarterback production or very limited offensive pop, 48 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 2: but still find ways to win. And I think MSIE 49 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 2: State kind of owns Florida State in recent times, like 50 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 2: they've won five of six or something. They're like Dave 51 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 2: Doran is kind of a wizard for all of his deficiencies, 52 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 2: for all of whatever you perceive NC State's weaknesses to be, 53 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,399 Speaker 2: they buy and large win a bunch of games. They 54 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 2: lose some games, and they do so with having random 55 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 2: star power on the roster, which I want to ask 56 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 2: Corey about, but to do it with like a mix 57 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 2: of you know, Devin Leary into MJ. Morris, but MJ. 58 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 2: Morris decides to red shirt and Brendan Armstrong transfers in 59 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 2: and doesn't have a lot of pop, doesn't have a 60 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 2: lot of receiver and like, it's just it's a fascinating 61 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 2: way to win, which I think is a compliment to 62 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: what this staff has done. 63 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 4: The other thing that I think goes unmentioned when we 64 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 4: talk about NC State. Yeah, NC State's a big place 65 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 4: in that big school. It's the biggest school in the Carolinas. 66 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 4: Yet in terms of the football program, rarely, if ever, 67 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 4: are they truly part of that national quote unquote national conversation. 68 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: MM hmm. 69 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 4: So much is changing in college football, not the least 70 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 4: of which is the expanded Playoff. There are now new 71 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 4: teams in the ACC, there are other teams maybe trying 72 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 4: to break up with the ACC. 73 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: NC State finds itself. 74 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 4: In a really really interesting spot for a whole multitude 75 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 4: of reasons. Today, hopefully we can explore why again with 76 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 4: Corey Smith from Pacpride dot com. If you are just 77 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 4: tuning in, if you're just finding us, we did this 78 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 4: episode a couple times over now, talking about a variety 79 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 4: of schools I mentioned them earlier, from USC all the 80 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 4: way through to Nebraska. Encourage you to go and check 81 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 4: those out, learn something new about a bunch of these 82 00:03:58,320 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 4: programs that you just know we're going to be talking 83 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 4: an awful lot about here, at least through the early 84 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 4: part of the season when everybody's got hope and is 85 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 4: undefeated and expectations are at their highest. So we're gonna 86 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 4: keep doing this, I think for the next couple episodes. Yeah, 87 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 4: if you want to send in any suggestions for teams 88 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 4: that we should focus a little bit more on our 89 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 4: email addresses soliverble at gmail dot com, and of course 90 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 4: Danny can always follow us across all of our social 91 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 4: media platforms. 92 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 3: Yeah. 93 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 2: By the way, one of the things we talk about 94 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 2: with NC State before we get into Corey is sometimes 95 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 2: places win, and coaches win, teams win, but places there 96 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 2: are certain places that, like, no matter the coach, they're 97 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 2: gonna win eight or nine games. Tom O'Brien won eight 98 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 2: or nine games, Chuck a Moato, which, by the way, 99 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 2: sunglass revolutionary with the wrap rounds Chuck a motto, and 100 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 2: certainly Dave Dorn winning eight nine games. So there is 101 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 2: something about NC State that is just like, this is 102 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 2: a winning place. And you know, everybody's going to have 103 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 2: their down years or downstretches or whatever, but like, if 104 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: you can't consistently win at NC State, that's a you thing, 105 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,559 Speaker 2: that's not a school thing, because this is a place 106 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 2: that is, you know, geographically in a good place, obviously 107 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 2: attractive for assistance to come to. Like, it's a one 108 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 2: of the better places in college football for sure. 109 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: Shall we dive in with our guest of honor. 110 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 4: Let's all right, Dan, let's talk a little NC State, 111 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 4: shall we. I would love to yes our guest of 112 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 4: honor today from the pac Pride website and podcast. Very 113 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 4: pleased to welcome for the first time to the show, 114 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 4: Corey Smith. Welcome to the Solid Verbal Sir, how are you. 115 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 5: I'm doing well, doing well. Appreciate you guys having me on. 116 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 5: It's a yeah, it's always fun to talk football, especially 117 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 5: you know we're about to ramp up with baseball, but man, 118 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 5: it's a great time to talk about football, especially for 119 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 5: Ency State. 120 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 4: So here's what's fascinating to me about NC State and 121 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 4: Dan and I just talked about this little earlier. It 122 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 4: is not a situation that, like we've referenced before at 123 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 4: Penn State, where they're consistently outclassed by the same teams 124 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 4: in their conference every year. 125 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: NC State's had a lot of success. 126 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 4: Against Clemson, against Florida State over the last couple of 127 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 4: seas Since over the last five years, though, a bunch 128 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 4: of their losses have come against teams that they're either 129 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 4: good enough to beat or in games that are close 130 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 4: enough to win. Is there a popular theory as to 131 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 4: why this team is solid enough to win eight nine 132 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 4: games a year but still inconsistent enough to lose. 133 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: One or two of those winnable games each season. 134 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think it's it's the parody in 135 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 5: the acc I mean, you know, for NC State, it's 136 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 5: not to say they get up for the big games 137 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 5: and you know they prepare for those, but I mean, 138 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 5: you know, I think it's a case by case basis. 139 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 5: You know, they lost a couple to wake Forest back 140 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 5: when you know, wake Forest was a good team, not 141 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 5: a great team, but you know, a team that consistently 142 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 5: Dave Clausen was able to beat Dave Joran and that 143 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 5: was an issue. I mean, there was multiple seasons where 144 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 5: NC State could have won ten games and they lost 145 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 5: to wake Forest in those years and one of them 146 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 5: happened to be like a six and seven wake Forest team, 147 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 5: so it wasn't even a good one. And then they've 148 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 5: done the same thing, you know, whether it was losing 149 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 5: to Clemson multiple years straight. They won two out of 150 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 5: the last three, but you know those several years where 151 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 5: they could have gotten over the hump if they had 152 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 5: just beaten Clemson. So beating Clemson, beating Florida State consistently, 153 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 5: and now you know, they beat wake Forest this past year. 154 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 5: The hope is to be able to kind of move 155 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 5: past that at this point. So if they're able to 156 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 5: do that, I think that can help to kind of 157 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 5: propel them to that next tier that they're trying to 158 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 5: get to. 159 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,119 Speaker 4: We have a big enough sample size at this point 160 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 4: with Dave Dorian. I is it like a Dave Dorin thing? 161 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 4: Where where what is the source of that inconsistency if 162 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 4: not a parody issue which we've obviously seen develop over 163 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 4: the years in the ACC. 164 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you know, I think a lot of 165 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 5: people have tried to say it's all on Dave Doran, 166 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 5: and you know, at times it can be, you know, 167 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 5: whether it's it's not stepping up in the big moments. 168 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 5: At times, you know, they've kind of lost some games 169 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 5: in the fourth quarter. I think back to God Miami 170 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 5: back in twenty twenty, which was a weird season altogether, 171 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 5: but you know it's one of those games that they 172 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 5: put that game away and suddenly they're in a different, 173 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 5: different area, whereas this past year it was just a 174 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 5: weird one. They you know, they they couldn't quite figure 175 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 5: out what was going on the first five games of 176 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 5: the season. They move on for Brendan Armstrong and they 177 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 5: go to MJ. Morris. It was a weird situation, but 178 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 5: they found a way to kind of win the last 179 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 5: five games of the season and salvage the season, whereas 180 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 5: you know that that led to hopefully what is to 181 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 5: calm this year? So yeah, you know it can be 182 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 5: a Dave Dorian issue at times, but I think it's 183 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 5: also just a matter of you know, kind of missing 184 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 5: some of these you know, lesser game situations and not 185 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 5: being able to be ready for those. 186 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 2: What is the current status I mean, I guess the 187 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 2: most recent status of quarterback has been You mentioned the MJ. 188 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 2: Morris thing going back and forth, Brendan Armstrong now Grayson 189 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 2: McCall transfers in, and there are some high times with 190 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 2: some of Devin Leary's time. Certainly Ryan Finley had some 191 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 2: great moments. What are the vibes right now within the 192 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 2: program or within the fan base about where NC State 193 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 2: stands at quarterback? Well, I think at this time last year, 194 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 2: the hope was, hey, you know, keep MJ. Morris as 195 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 2: a red shirt, Brendan Armstrong, this is your season, learn Robert, 196 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 2: you know, show everybody what Robert and I system is 197 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 2: all about. 198 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 5: And then MJ. Morris is supposed to come in the 199 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 5: next year and next year and be the guy. You know, 200 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 5: first of all, he had to come in last year 201 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 5: Brendan Armstrong was not good for those first five games. M. J. 202 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 5: Morris comes in, He's good, but not great enough to 203 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 5: lead them to the wins. And then obviously the old 204 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 5: red shirt situation if you don't know about it, at 205 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 5: this point he played four games cided a red shirt. 206 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 5: Still for the last three it was, you know, not 207 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 5: a great look. He transfers he's at Maryland now, but 208 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 5: you know, there is another guy that was waiting in 209 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,959 Speaker 5: the wings in CJ. Baileys, Cedric Bailey, whichever one you 210 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 5: want to call him, coming up from Florida. Shaman a 211 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 5: Madonna was where he was at. People might recognize that 212 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 5: Jeremiah Smith happened to be one of his wide receivers. 213 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 5: He was notched down a little bit because it was like, 214 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 5: oh man, you're throwing to him and Josiah Trader. You 215 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 5: know two guys that are one's a four star wide 216 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 5: receiver going to Miami. The other one's a five star, 217 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 5: you know, the top overall recruit in the country going 218 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 5: to Ohio State. So he was knocked down a little 219 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 5: bit as like, hey, he's just more of a you know, 220 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 5: more of a game manager. But he's six foot six, 221 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 5: a little over two hundred pounds. Now they're still trying 222 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 5: to put some weight on and get him prepared for 223 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 5: that next stage. But he looked really good in the 224 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 5: spring game. Everything we heard out of spring camp was 225 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 5: he has a chance to be the future guy. I 226 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 5: still think they probably bring in a transfer for next year, 227 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 5: but as of right now, that's kind of where the 228 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 5: quarterback situation is going. And obviously Grayson McCall is grace 229 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 5: and McCall they expect him to be the guy this 230 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 5: year and lead the team to to where they're trying 231 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 5: to get to. But CJ. Bailey is probably the future 232 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 5: of the program right now. 233 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 2: I'm wondering, and I don't know if that this is 234 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 2: the correct term, but I'm wondering what the state of 235 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 2: star power is on the NC State roster. And you look, 236 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 2: you know, however you want to evaluate that. But NC 237 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 2: State certainly was more successful in the NFL draft, you know, 238 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 2: going back five six years ago highlighted. I think Bradley 239 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 2: Chubb was the twenty eighteen draft. And when you're comparing 240 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 2: NC State to their schedule, which we can get to 241 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 2: is pretty favorable this year, What is the state of 242 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 2: star power high level you know, all ACC caliber talent 243 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 2: on this roster. If they are going to make a move, 244 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 2: especially this year bringing in Grayson McCall and having a 245 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 2: good amount of stability doing well in the portal, what 246 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 2: is what is the state of that right now? 247 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think Grayson McCall, if you're talking LACC, 248 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 5: I don't know that you put him necessarily first team 249 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 5: before the season starts, but he has a chance to 250 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 5: be you know, first team second team guy this year. Again, 251 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 5: if you're talking about NFL star power, maybe Grayson McCall 252 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 5: is at the guys, you know, fifth year quarterback, he's 253 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 5: he's had his chance to be you know, looked at 254 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 5: by NFL teams. I don't know necessarily if you will 255 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 5: again this season. But another guy that I'm keeping a 256 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 5: really close eye on if you want to talk about 257 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 5: star power and somebody that could seriously emerge, Jordan Waters. 258 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 5: That came from Duke at the running back position. He 259 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 5: was excellent for Duke for the last several years. He 260 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 5: was also a former wide receiver and I think probably 261 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 5: wants to be able to be utilized a little more 262 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 5: in the passing game. So he's a guy that I 263 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 5: think has a chance to be a big star that's 264 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 5: coming up year for them. Another one, Noah Rodgers. You know, 265 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 5: we talk about case C. Concepcion. I think a lot 266 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 5: of people know who that is. At this point, he's 267 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 5: already being tabbed as a potential first rounder of the 268 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 5: twenty twenty six draft if you look that far ahead. 269 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 5: So he's a guy you know the next two years, 270 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 5: probably the biggest NFL star power. But Noah Rodgers coming 271 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 5: over from Ohio State. We've heard a ton about his 272 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 5: potential and what he can do for this team as well, 273 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 5: big body, wide receiver, kind of that outside boundary receiver 274 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 5: that you really need for this team they didn't have 275 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 5: last year. And then Justin Joe Lee coming over from 276 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 5: Yukon and this is all just you know, playmakers on 277 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 5: the offensive side of the football. But Justin Joe Lee 278 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 5: coming over from Yukon with the number two tight end 279 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 5: in the twenty four to seven Sports rankings this past offseason, 280 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 5: so he has a chance to be a big time 281 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 5: player for Ncaistate as well. They kind of used him 282 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 5: as that move tight end if you know anything about 283 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 5: Robert and I system. He's done a lot with that 284 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,359 Speaker 5: over the past few years, whether it was at Syracuse 285 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 5: with Ronde Gadson or it was at Virginia with multiple 286 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 5: guys there, several of which are in the NFL, one 287 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,199 Speaker 5: of which is with the Packers now at this point. 288 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 5: So if you're just looking on the offensive side of 289 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 5: the football, those are the guys. Anthony Belton at the 290 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 5: offensive tackle position I think has a big chance to be, 291 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 5: you know, a big name player by the end of 292 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 5: the season too. And then Jacirius Peak, whether you look 293 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,079 Speaker 5: at him as a as a right tackle or as 294 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 5: a gord He's gonna play right tackle for INCA State, 295 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 5: has a chance to be, you know, a big name. 296 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 5: And then moving over to the defensive side of the football, 297 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 5: Davin van is a kid that I love. He plays 298 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 5: the defensive end spot for NCAS State, but they obviously 299 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 5: play a three to three stack system, so he probably 300 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 5: projects as a defensive tackle at the next level. And 301 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 5: then Brandon Cleveland somebody that you know, I'm gonna bring 302 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 5: the name up here and I've done it multiple times 303 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 5: on our podcast. His stats were very close at the 304 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 5: end of the season, and his projections by a Pro 305 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:04,479 Speaker 5: Football Focus to a guy like Alle McNeil as a sophomore. 306 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 5: When you look at the last six games he played, 307 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 5: Alle McNeil ended up going on to the Lions, one 308 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 5: of their you know, obviously they have a guy in 309 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 5: Hutchinson that plays that defensive end spot, but he's a 310 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 5: key cog for them, and then the other guy really 311 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 5: you know, if you're talking about the defense. Aiden White 312 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 5: is a big name to know at the quarterback position. 313 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 5: He still has not over the last two years given 314 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 5: up a touchdown against at the quarterback position, So he 315 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 5: has a chance to really push himself into, you know, 316 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 5: another level in the ACC this year. I think with 317 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 5: a lot of guys gone at the quarterback position from 318 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 5: this past year in the ACC, he has a chance 319 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 5: to maybe push himself for first team and try to 320 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 5: get himself into a good spot in the NFL drop 321 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 5: next year. 322 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 2: So NC State is especially interesting to me. When you 323 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 2: look at roster construction, you rattle off a number of 324 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 2: names who are high level ACC players. They Dave Doran 325 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 2: does not recruit on like a typical top thirty thirty 326 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 2: five ish national level. That's sort of it seems like, 327 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 2: has been his ceiling over the past few years. And 328 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 2: while they're active in the portal. They're not overhauling a roster. 329 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 2: In the portal, they're not you know, Louisville, they're not 330 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 2: you know what. You know, Texas A and M has 331 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 2: lost and tried to add. They've been sort of measured, 332 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 2: i would say, in the portal going after very specific guys. 333 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 2: How do you evaluate the sort of strengths and weaknesses 334 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 2: of NC State's roster construction and retention? 335 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 5: Really yeah, I mean, I think probably one of the 336 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 5: only weaknesses that they had this past year was not 337 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 5: going out and getting another linebacker. They got a guy 338 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 5: in Wyat Right that comes over from the JUCO level. 339 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 5: I think he can add a lot of you know, 340 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 5: depth to this team. We'll see if he starts. And 341 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 5: then they move Sean Brown, who is at safety down 342 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 5: to linebacker as well, so we'll see, you know, if 343 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 5: he's able to you know, fit that role as well 344 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 5: for ency State what they want to do. But you 345 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 5: lost Peyton Wilson, you lost another linebacker as well. It 346 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 5: was a starter from last year. But most people know 347 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 5: if Peyton Wilson, Jalen Scott was the other one that 348 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 5: they lost from last year, So you need a depth there. 349 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 5: They didn't really go out and identify that that was 350 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 5: the one big loss. And then they went out got 351 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 5: cam Riley from Auburn. He de commits and goes to 352 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 5: Florida State at the last minute, right after the portal closes. 353 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 5: So that was, you know, a great look for ANCA 354 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 5: State what they're trying to go out and get. But yeah, 355 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 5: I mean, I think as far as the strengths are 356 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 5: concerned this past offseason, I would say it was just 357 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 5: about everywhere else. I mean, they really the biggest thing 358 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 5: they needed to do this pass offseason was go out 359 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 5: and get some experience at the wide receiver position. They 360 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 5: had Casey Concepcio and that came back. They lost a 361 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 5: few that were, you know, from last team, last year's team, 362 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 5: but multiple that went to kind of lower level schools 363 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 5: that you know, weren't really cutting it for NCAA State. So, 364 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 5: like I said, they went out and got Noah Rodgers. 365 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 5: Another name to know, Wesley Grimes. They went out and 366 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 5: got from Wake Forest. You know, he was kind of 367 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 5: their third receiver and he'll probably fill that role for 368 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 5: NCAY State as well. But you know, we talk about 369 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 5: recruiting as much as we talk about the transfer portal 370 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 5: and all these guys that I've I've shined a light 371 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 5: on Terrell Anderson's one that came in was a top 372 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 5: one hundred player. NC State doesn't get a ton of 373 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 5: top one hundred players. The last few that they've gotten 374 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 5: were guys like Ricky Person that ended up playing a 375 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,479 Speaker 5: pretty good role for them Ali McNeil that I mentioned earlier, 376 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 5: Peyton Wilson. When they get top one hundred guys, those 377 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 5: guys end up being pretty big hits for them. And then, 378 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 5: like I said, Terrella Anderson, and then you go out 379 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 5: and get a guy like Jonathan Taylor that you know, 380 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 5: South Carolina wanted really really bad. NC State's able to 381 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 5: pull him away at the last minute. He's another top 382 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 5: one fifty guy that'll play a little bit of running back, 383 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 5: wide receivers. So they went out and got a ton 384 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 5: of playmakers. Like I pointed out, I think that's kind 385 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 5: of where I would evaluate the strengths for ncys State. Again, 386 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 5: you know, they needed top ends guys at the at 387 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 5: the quarterback position, like Grayson McCall and Jordan Waters. It 388 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 5: went out and got that, you filled all of your needs, 389 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 5: and then they went out and got, you know, some 390 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 5: experience that they really wanted for this upcoming offseason to 391 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 5: to be able to kind of push themselves in that 392 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 5: mix of not only trying to contend for an accchampionship, 393 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 5: but trying to put themselves in the conversation for a 394 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 5: college football playoff with it expanding to twelve teams. 395 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: Corey specifically on Grayson McCall. 396 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 4: Obviously really fun player playing for Jamie Chadwell and his 397 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 4: system at Coastal Carolina. Almost transferred, I believe before last 398 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 4: season had the new coach ended up getting hurt. Clearly 399 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 4: was not his best campaign. What is your sense for 400 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 4: how he fits into that Robert and I offense? What 401 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 4: does that look like, perhaps as compared to some of 402 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 4: the other quarterbacks that have come through recently, most notably 403 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 4: what we saw last season. 404 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not gonna throw shade at anybody because obviously 405 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 5: Tim Beck is the former offensive coordinator for Ncis stape Yup. 406 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 5: I don't really think it was a great fit for 407 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 5: Grayson McCall in that system we saw. You know, Devin 408 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 5: Leary was more of a you know, kind of a 409 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 5: game manager quarterback obviously had some really big plays, but 410 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 5: Grayson McCall is more of a gunslinger. He's more of 411 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 5: a guy that's going to try to throw the ball 412 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 5: deep down the field. You got to give him some opportunities, 413 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 5: and you got to put more playmakers around him. He 414 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 5: didn't have those this past year. And again I keep 415 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 5: going back to the well of having a ton of playmakers. 416 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,479 Speaker 5: But Robert and I and his system loves to be 417 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 5: able to use guys in a variety of ways. Whether 418 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 5: it's using Jonathan Palor as we mentioned before, as a 419 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 5: guy that they kind of use on an end round situation. 420 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 5: He might have some of those pop passes like we 421 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 5: saw Brennan Armstrong be able to have a ton of 422 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 5: success with the end of the last season with Casey 423 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 5: CONCEPTSIO and being able to use him in that role. 424 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 5: So I think with all the guys they've added in 425 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 5: the system, with the protection that he has. There's also 426 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 5: four starters coming back from last year at the offensive 427 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 5: line spots, and then you add Zeke Correll at the 428 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 5: center spot that comes over from Notre Dame. He has, 429 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 5: you know, an injury bug. In the spring, we didn't 430 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 5: get to see him, so hopefully it'll be healthy for 431 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 5: the fall and be ready to go. But that's that's 432 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 5: kind of the big thing for INC State is not 433 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 5: only going out and getting a quarterback, but truly building 434 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 5: around him. And I think that was what they didn't 435 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 5: do this past year. And Brenda Armstrong was was like, 436 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 5: all right, we got Bernda Armstrong. He's going to be 437 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 5: our guy. He knows Robert and I system. They're going 438 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 5: to make it work. The defense is going to be 439 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 5: our strong suit. We're gonna be good enough to win 440 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 5: the AC championship. They went out this year and did 441 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 5: the exact opposite. They bolstered the offense around Grace and 442 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 5: McCall you have a chance to have him, hopefully fully 443 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 5: healthy for an entire season. Obviously he is a bit 444 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 5: of a dual threat quarterback, but he's a guy who's 445 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 5: passed for over ten thousand yards in his career eighty 446 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 5: eight touchdowns. So they get a guy that has a 447 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 5: ton of experience and somebody that I think is looking 448 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 5: to again really prove himself in his final year. After 449 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 5: kind of missing out on that opportunity this past year, I. 450 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 4: Went back and looked before we brought you on at 451 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 4: some of the efficiency numbers on offense the last two 452 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 4: years for NC State. The offense has been pretty bad 453 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 4: in terms of things like success rates, marginal explosiveness, like 454 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 4: some of these advanced stats that we talk about here 455 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 4: a lot. They're still winning games, mind you, But what 456 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 4: is the source if you had to put your finger 457 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 4: on anything of that inefficiency? 458 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: Is it offense? 459 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 4: Is it a combination of factors with not having the playmakers? 460 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 4: Is it the system? What is that thing? And what 461 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 4: is Robert and I trying to do specifically to fix that? Yeah? 462 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 5: I think it was a little bit of everything that 463 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 5: you just mentioned. I mean, you know, the inefficiency comes 464 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 5: down to the fact that, as I mentioned before, like 465 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 5: the loss of playmakers. I mean, you know, you look 466 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 5: back to last year the running back position in particular. 467 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 5: I know a lot of people kind of put it 468 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 5: on the wide receivers, but you know, you started out 469 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 5: the year with Jordan Houston being the number one guy. 470 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 5: He realized after four games it was after three games, 471 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 5: actually he was not going to be the starter moving forward. 472 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 5: They were probably going to go with other guys over 473 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 5: top of him. He transfers out before the season even ends. 474 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 5: The same thing happened with another running back that was 475 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 5: boosted into that spot last year. He ends up going 476 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 5: to UNLV, so there just wasn't a ton of depth 477 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 5: at that running back position last year. Kendrick Grafiel ended 478 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 5: up being the best of the crop, and he was 479 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 5: a true freshman, so he was not fully prepared last 480 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 5: year compared to this year. The biggest thing I think 481 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 5: that changes is having a little more experience. Like we 482 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 5: mentioned all the transfers, but again, Kevin could stepsil was 483 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 5: a true freshman last year. Kendrick Graffield was a true 484 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 5: freshman last year. That was your number one wide receiver 485 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 5: and your number one running back in the last four 486 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 5: games of last season. That's not exactly ideal. So while 487 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 5: you know some of the issues go back to Tim 488 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 5: Beck the previous year, it also goes back to the 489 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 5: fact that they lost Devin Leary after five games, they 490 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 5: lose MJ. Morris after two games over the next course 491 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 5: of the next few weeks, and then they end up 492 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 5: going with a fourth string quarterback for the final two 493 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 5: games and Ben Finley. So I don't put a whole 494 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 5: lot of stock in the offense from two years ago. 495 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 5: And I think again last year was not just a 496 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 5: lack of playmakers, but even the playmakers that were your 497 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 5: good your you know, solid players, you couldn't ask for 498 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 5: a lot of consistency, had a true freshman despite the 499 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 5: fact that they were able to step up. And again, 500 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 5: you know, hoping that the Brendan Armstrong experiment was going 501 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 5: to work, and I don't think it did. So your 502 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 5: hope is going into this year, the veteran guys that 503 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,360 Speaker 5: you have coming back, the better offensive lineman, all those 504 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 5: guys having another year under their belt, and having a 505 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 5: great McCall that you expect to be better than Brendan 506 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 5: Ronstrong was last year. I think helps this offense at 507 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 5: a big way. 508 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 4: Let me zoom out for a second. I'm curious to 509 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 4: what degree NC State is capitalizing on this moment, because 510 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 4: it seems like NC State athletics is sort of having 511 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 4: a moment. Both basketball teams, men's and women's make the 512 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 4: final four. You mentioned the baseball team earlier. Baseball team 513 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 4: at last check is consensus like top ten, top fifteen. 514 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 4: They're having a good year. Football team, which we're talking 515 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 4: about here, always pretty solid. I read your article from 516 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 4: about a month ago, Corey, where you talked about the 517 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 4: nil collective having a big night of fundraising. 518 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: It seems like. 519 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 4: There's a lot going on that front. What is the 520 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 4: state of play for NC State with respect to the 521 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 4: money nil and trying to build up that side of 522 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 4: the program. 523 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you know, the last few months have 524 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 5: certainly helped. I mean, even the last five games of 525 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 5: the football season, like as much as it seems like, 526 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 5: oh well, you know, yeah, they finished with nine wins again, 527 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 5: but I mean nobody, absolutely nobody, even NC State fans, 528 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 5: expected that you start off four and three and you 529 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 5: finish nine and three, and you rattle off wins at 530 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 5: home against Clemson, at home against Miami. You go on 531 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 5: the road to wake Forest, which is a place that 532 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 5: they never win, mind you like going wake Forest has 533 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 5: just been a house of nightmares for NC State over 534 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 5: the years, as I mentioned earlier, and then you beat 535 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 5: you and c like to close out the season. You 536 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 5: couldn't have asked for a more ideal finish. Dave Dory 537 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 5: goes out and he basically says, I want five thousand 538 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 5: people to give one thousand dollars and push us over 539 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 5: the top, get us to a point where we can 540 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 5: you know, compete in the nil market. Don't think it 541 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 5: quite matched that those numbers, but you know, from a 542 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 5: football standpoint. That's certainly helped too. The thing that you 543 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 5: want now for in C State is, you know, when 544 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 5: we talk about the college landscape and we talk about 545 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 5: where everything is right now, when you're talking about trying 546 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 5: to get to new conferences, you're talking about trying to 547 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 5: compete in the NIL marketplace, you've got to win football too, 548 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 5: Like football is a is a big in all of 549 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 5: those and it's something that moves the needle for for everybody. 550 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 5: Because whether you're talking about going to the SEC, the 551 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 5: Big twelve, or you know, the the Big ten, or 552 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 5: potentially trying to build up the ACC, I don't know 553 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 5: exactly where that's gonna head, but we'll see. You're you're 554 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 5: talking about all these different things, and football's got to 555 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 5: be a big player in that too. Because as much 556 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 5: as Dave Dorian has kind of helped to get this 557 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 5: team to a consistent place, he still has at won 558 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 5: ten games, he still haven't won an ACC championships. So 559 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 5: as much as you're seeing the door being knocked down 560 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 5: by men's basketball winning an ACC championship getting to a 561 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 5: final four, the women's team, you know, up until two 562 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 5: years ago, had won three straight ACC championships and get 563 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,479 Speaker 5: to the first Final four. Three years ago they had 564 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 5: gone to the Elite eight. So all of these teams 565 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 5: are pushing to get into state in those national conversations. 566 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 5: Now it just needs to football to kind of finish 567 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 5: off the job one of these years and really kind 568 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 5: of propel this program and to to where they can 569 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 5: actually be talked about as a nation figure as well. 570 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 2: Does that all make twenty twenty four a sort of 571 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 2: if not now when kind of year for the football team. 572 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 2: We talked a little bit about the schedule. This is 573 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 2: an NC State schedule that misses what Florida State, Miami, Louisville, 574 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 2: Virginia Tech. It's a pretty good foursome to miss this 575 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 2: year considering the upside of those four schools. The September 576 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 2: schedule is tough, but otherwise it's a pretty manageable, if 577 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 2: not favorable schedule. You couple that with Grace McCall's experience, 578 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 2: the guys you mentioned coming in, the guys you mentioned that, 579 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 2: the younger players coming back, the veteran presence on this team, 580 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 2: the expanded playoff is this sort of like a year 581 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 2: NC State fans should circle with a thicker marker than 582 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 2: usual in that sort of if not now when kind 583 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 2: of way, Yeah. 584 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 5: It certainly feels like it. I mean, you mentioned the 585 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 5: tough schedule in September, a start off with Western Carolina, 586 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 5: and as we were talking about it kind of favors 587 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 5: n C State now because they start off on a Thursday, 588 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 5: whereas Tennessee. Now, mind you, it's not a difficult game, 589 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 5: but Tennessee starts on a Saturday, and then they they 590 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 5: play the very next Saturday in Charlotte. So for NC 591 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 5: State you get a little bit of time off in 592 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 5: between those after your first game, you know, lick the wounds. 593 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 5: I guess maybe from from playing Western Carolina. Again, not 594 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 5: a strong team, but you just never know what can 595 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 5: happen in any game. You just hope you come out 596 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 5: of that fully healthy. And then you play Tennessee in Charlotte, 597 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 5: so not a true road game. Two weeks later you 598 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 5: go on the road to Clemson. You know, the non 599 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 5: conference schedule outside of Tennessee is favorable for NC State 600 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 5: and as you mentioned, you miss all of those ACC teams. 601 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 5: They also, you know, close out the season against you 602 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 5: and Cee that that hasn't been you know, seen as 603 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 5: one of the stronger teams in the ACC. Really the 604 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 5: toughest teams for NC State outside of facing Clemson probably 605 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 5: come at the end of the schedule. You know. The 606 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 5: only the only hiccup I can see for them, and 607 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,919 Speaker 5: we talked about this earlier, is you know, the issue 608 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 5: for NCY State is not being able to break through 609 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 5: and beat some teams that are beatable. You know, they 610 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 5: finished the season at Georgia Tech and then you go 611 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 5: on the road, UH to you and c as well, 612 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 5: So you finish off your senior day in like week ten, 613 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 5: and then you face those two teams down the stretch. 614 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 5: So for INC State, it's kind of like, all right, 615 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 5: start the season as strong as you possibly can. Push 616 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 5: yourself into that into that conversation. If you could win 617 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 5: both of those games in September, that's humongous. But you 618 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 5: can't stub your toe on the games at the end 619 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 5: of the season and miss the ACC Championship as a result. 620 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 5: If you win against Tennessee and you lose against Clemson, 621 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 5: just went out the rest of the way, put yourself 622 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 5: in the conversation to get to the a SEC Championship. 623 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 5: And if you do that and you win the a 624 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 5: SEC Championship, you propel yourself to the College Football Playoffs. 625 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 5: So yeah, this is definitely one of those seasons where, 626 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 5: you know, the last two years, we've talked about it 627 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 5: at nauseum. You know, the conference realignment discussions have been 628 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,479 Speaker 5: going on for several years now at this point. So 629 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 5: for INCA State, it's always been like, all right, this 630 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 5: is this has got to be the year, this has 631 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 5: got to be the year. This really feels like with 632 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 5: the way that the movement has actually happened now, you know, 633 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 5: the SEC has actually out of Texas and Oklahoma, Big 634 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 5: Ten has actually added USC and UCLA and several other 635 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 5: teams Colorado, Washington, all these other teams. It's like, all right, man, 636 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 5: you know the ACC several teams are trying to find 637 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 5: a way out. Now you're going to be left out 638 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 5: of this conversation if you can't actually have a breakthrough year. 639 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 5: And that's kind of where this is now for NC State. 640 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 5: That's why they put so much stock into this year too. 641 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was actually going to ask about that where 642 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 2: NC State sort of stands, and you know, there's conversations 643 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,959 Speaker 2: around like it's not an if, it's a when. With 644 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 2: Florida State and Clemson obviously UNC's name has come up, 645 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 2: Virginia's name has come up with a couple of different conferences. 646 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 2: What is the feeling the sense behind the scenes at 647 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,479 Speaker 2: NC State as they try to best position themselves for 648 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 2: the future as a huge program. We've mentioned the recent 649 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 2: success in other sports. What is the sense right now 650 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 2: with like options or lack thereof with NC State. 651 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, A lot of the conversations that I've heard behind 652 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 5: the scenes over the last year or so have been 653 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 5: you know, the fact that a lot of politicians inside 654 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 5: in North Carolina want to keep in C State and 655 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 5: you and C together. Those are kind of the two 656 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 5: that are like, all right, we want those two to 657 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 5: at least have success. Those are the two major public universities, 658 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 5: Duke and Wake Forest both private universities. So it's a 659 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 5: little different conversation there. Whereas the politicians want to see 660 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 5: those two end up in great spots, whether it's ending 661 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 5: up together in the same place or it's pairing off 662 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 5: with somebody like a say, U and C Virginia go 663 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 5: to the big ten in C State and Virginia Tech 664 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 5: go to the SEC that might be you know, the 665 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 5: best of both worlds for the conferences, the best of 666 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 5: both worlds for all those teams, and you try to 667 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 5: keep the rivalry together the same way that you know, 668 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 5: the SEC and ACC schools have done over the years, 669 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 5: whether it's Florida Florida State or you know Georgia, Georgia Tech, 670 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 5: Clemson South Carolina, you try to keep those rivalries together 671 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 5: between those two natural schools. And I think it's again 672 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 5: it's the best of both worlds for everybody. Now. Obviously 673 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 5: I've heard the conversations for NC State when it comes 674 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 5: to the Big Twelve as well, that's another potential landing spot. 675 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 5: But I think, you know, if you're looking for an ideal, 676 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 5: you know, landing spot for both those teams, it's getting 677 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 5: into one of those two major power conferences. As much 678 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 5: as the Big Twelve is done to help themselves, you know, 679 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 5: they're still not seen as a major player when it 680 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 5: comes to the conversations the way that the SEC and 681 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 5: the you know, the Big Ten are right now. So 682 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 5: I don't think it's likely that NC State lands in 683 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 5: the Big Ten. And you know, I do see a 684 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 5: path for you know, separation for NC State and U 685 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,959 Speaker 5: and C, but again, I think it's more likely pairing 686 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 5: up with one of those teams from Virginia for both 687 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 5: of them to end up there and and give you 688 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 5: both the SEC and the Big Ten, you know kind 689 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 5: of the you know, the the National or the you know, 690 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 5: the marketplaces that you would get out of those two 691 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 5: the TV broadcasting that you would get in North Carolina 692 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 5: and Virginia, which are still pretty ideal marketplaces for both 693 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 5: of them. 694 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 2: So NC State offers, whether it's the ACC, whether it's 695 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 2: another conference, something that's pretty rare right now, which is 696 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 2: stability right that NC State outside of was it twenty nineteen, 697 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 2: the four and eight year This is a team that 698 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 2: is a value add to the competitive nature of the ACC. 699 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 2: That they win games, They consistently win games. They you know, 700 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 2: are on bowld TV come late December, early January. What 701 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 2: is the secret sauce? You know, Dave Doran has been 702 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 2: there for a while now, and I guess the easy 703 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,719 Speaker 2: answer would be, it's his program, it's his vision. They 704 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 2: consistently win. But even behind the scenes, whether it's administration, 705 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 2: whether it's how they recruit, whether it's how they hire 706 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 2: new coaches, what is that secret sauce to NC State? 707 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 2: Stability in a pretty chaotic sport. 708 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think one of the biggest things, 709 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 5: you know, you go back to Dave Dora and it's 710 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 5: it's him kind of feasting off of the you know, 711 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 5: the doubt. It's him. You know. I wouldn't say, you know, 712 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 5: similar to Dabo Swingey in that because Dabo obviously, you know, 713 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 5: is hyper about it and goes above and beyond. But 714 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 5: Dave Dora loves feasting off of any kind of doubt 715 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 5: that's created. Unfortunately, sometimes that doubt is after losing big 716 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 5: games and losing game that you shouldn't lose, and all 717 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 5: of a sudden, the team, you know, rebounds and finishes strong. 718 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 5: But I think this year the difference has got to be, 719 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 5: you know, being able to kind of feast off the doubt. 720 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 5: That's that's there. When it comes to the rest of 721 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 5: the ACC, A lot of people are still putting Florida State, 722 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 5: still putting Clemson ahead of them and saying, hey, we're 723 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 5: we're in this conversation. We need to be you know, 724 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 5: put as the number one or number two team in 725 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 5: the ACC. And people are already putting Miami above them 726 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 5: as well. And you know, look, granted, cam Ward is 727 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 5: a great quarterback, but I think for NC State it's like, 728 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 5: we build a complete team here, we have a chance 729 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 5: to push for that. And I also want to give 730 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 5: credit too as well to the fact that he's brought 731 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 5: in stability when it comes to the offensive coordinator defensive 732 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 5: coordinator spots. You know, yes, they had to change the 733 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 5: offensive cordator this pass offseason, but you know, keeping Robert 734 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 5: and I, keeping Tony Gibson, and keeping every single other coordinator, 735 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 5: every single other system around him. This is exactly what 736 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,719 Speaker 5: they did ahead of the twenty twenty two season when 737 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 5: the expectations were extremely high. Now again, quarterback injury, losing 738 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 5: Devin Leary, using several other guys, whether it was Isaiah Moore, 739 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 5: Peyton Wilson that season for long stretches, that was that 740 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 5: was what ultimately hurt the team. But they brought up 741 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 5: a ton of guys back in the hope was to 742 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 5: be able to build towards that and we'll see if 743 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 5: they're able to do that in this upcoming season. And 744 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 5: last guy I want to give some credit to as well, 745 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 5: Bouke Horgan, the ad for NC State, Debbie Aois who 746 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 5: hired him. But bouke Horgan has consistently said anytime I've 747 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 5: ever asked him, like, what's next for this program, and 748 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,720 Speaker 5: he's like, it's putting the program over the top. It's 749 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,760 Speaker 5: finding out from our coaches what takes them from good 750 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,360 Speaker 5: to great and then what takes them from great to 751 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 5: being a championship caliber team. He's been able to do 752 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 5: that with several programs across the ACE or across the 753 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 5: NC State's program and pushing them towards where they're at 754 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 5: in the ACC. I think now that the hope is 755 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 5: to be able to kind of push this inc State 756 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,720 Speaker 5: football team towards that You saw it with the recruiting, 757 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 5: You saw it with the transfer portal, you saw it 758 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 5: with bringing back all the coaches. Now it's time to 759 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 5: put it all on the field. 760 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 4: Corey Smith of Pacpride Dot as well as the Pack 761 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,360 Speaker 4: Pride podcast final question. You set me up perfectly actually 762 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 4: with your previous answer. The title of this episode is 763 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 4: will it ever happen? For Dave Dorian and NC State? 764 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,879 Speaker 4: It in this case air quotes obviously a relative thing. 765 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 4: What does it mean to you? Mean to NC State? 766 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,720 Speaker 4: How close is NC State to getting there in twenty 767 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 4: twenty four or at some point in the near future. 768 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think it is a three part 769 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 5: thing here for ENCY State. It number one is getting 770 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 5: to ten wins. I mean, that's that's been only that's 771 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,239 Speaker 5: only been done one time in the history of NC State. 772 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,839 Speaker 5: It was done under Chuck Omada Philip Rivers, one guy 773 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 5: that hasn't been coaching for a while. The other guy 774 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 5: that's been out of the NFL for three years now 775 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 5: at this point, he is currently coaching his son, Gunter Rivers, 776 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 5: who is a top tier quarterback in the twenty twenty 777 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 5: seven class of r or correctly, So that's how long 778 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 5: it's been for INCY State, and before that it was 779 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 5: literally never. So the thing for NC State right now 780 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 5: is trying to get to that ten win that double 781 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 5: digit win plateau, which they have not been able to 782 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 5: reach since two thousand and three. And then you know, 783 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 5: the next part of that is if you get there, 784 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 5: that probably puts you in the conversation for the AEC 785 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 5: championship game. NC State has not won an ACC championship 786 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,319 Speaker 5: in football since nineteen seventy nine. That has not you know, 787 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 5: that's even longer than what the basketball team had done, 788 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 5: which which was accomplished earlier this year, So that is 789 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 5: it as well. And then the third one being if 790 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 5: you can do all those things and you can put 791 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 5: yourself in that national conversation to put yourself inside the 792 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,920 Speaker 5: top ten, top twelve. They're currently tabbed as number thirteen 793 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,279 Speaker 5: by ESPN. I think a lot of our twenty four 794 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 5: to seven guys has them have them inside that top twenty. 795 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 5: If you do all those things and you're already preseason 796 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 5: top fifteen, top twenty, you probably put yourself in the 797 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:49,359 Speaker 5: conversation for college football playoffs. So those are all three things. Now, 798 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 5: Do I think NC State can accomplish two of those 799 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 5: and not get to the college Football Playoff? No, because 800 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 5: I think if you're the ACC champion, you're gonna get 801 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 5: yourself in that mix. So they have to do all 802 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 5: three of those things in order to accomplish it. So 803 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 5: I think this is probably the year if you're looking 804 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 5: for a year for NC State to do it, given 805 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 5: the schedule, given what you've added from a talent standpoint, 806 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 5: given what you've added from you know, a veteran leadership standpoint, 807 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 5: Given what you've brought back to this team, whether it's 808 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 5: you know, the head coach, all the assistants, everybody that 809 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 5: you've you've brought back and then you know some of 810 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 5: the depth pieces that you added this this previous offseason, 811 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 5: you know in the spring, whether it was on the 812 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,840 Speaker 5: defensive side of the football, and then you know offense 813 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 5: back in the fall. Uh, they've done all these things 814 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 5: to build towards this year. So this is more of 815 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,879 Speaker 5: an if not now win because you know, again, as 816 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 5: we've mentioned multiple times, you're trying to put yourself in 817 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:47,799 Speaker 5: that that top tier of the ACC for not only yourself, 818 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 5: but also for every other conference it's looking to add 819 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 5: to to their conference and looking to add to you know, 820 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 5: what they can do for their bottom line. So if 821 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 5: you're in C State, you've got to be able to 822 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,880 Speaker 5: put yourself from a brand marketing stand point and from 823 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 5: just a football standpoint right now, be able to put 824 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 5: yourself in that conversation. So I do think it can 825 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 5: be accomplished this year, but again it's a lot of 826 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 5: it's going to be decided and how well they do 827 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 5: in September. You go at least three and one in September, 828 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 5: when one of those two marquee games, that keeps yourself 829 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 5: in that conversation to be able to finish out strong 830 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 5: on the ACC and really get yourself in all those conversations. 831 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 2: No fewer than seventeen Stanford fans will be making their 832 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 2: way to Raleigh in early November. I guarantee it, no 833 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 2: fewer than seventeen. Where should they be eating and drinking 834 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 2: in Raleigh? Which is a great place, and maybe that's 835 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 2: why the coach is like sticking around you win games. 836 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 3: In a warm college town. Life is good. Where should 837 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 3: they be eating and drinking? 838 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 1: Yeah? 839 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 5: You know, I mean, obviously the barbecue in North Carolina 840 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 5: is what it is. I mean, it's you know, vinegar 841 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,400 Speaker 5: based on this side of the town. I would, you know, 842 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 5: the suggestion I would give. I think a lot of 843 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 5: people would say Clyde Cooper's downtown Raleigh. The suggestion I 844 00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,120 Speaker 5: would continue to give. If you're looking for barbecue, it's 845 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 5: a small little hole in the wall place, but you 846 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,359 Speaker 5: can get an entire plate for like twelve bucks as 847 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 5: Old Tom Barbecue. I love them. Medio's is where we 848 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,440 Speaker 5: shoot our podcasts. They're an Italian restaurant that's located right 849 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 5: outside of NC State campus. It's a beautiful spot. They 850 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 5: have the Hall of Fame there for NC State. It's 851 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,719 Speaker 5: got you know, everything across the walls whether it's banners 852 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 5: or it's pictures of a former you know players for 853 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 5: INCA State and then massive structures they have for football fields, 854 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 5: basketball courts, things along those lines. And the last spot 855 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,360 Speaker 5: that I'll give you two it's always a staple of Raleigh. 856 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,880 Speaker 5: If you're looking for you know, kind of that upscale steakhouse, 857 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 5: Angus Barn is the place to go. I'd give that, 858 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,320 Speaker 5: and it's Sullivan's to downtown. I love both of those spots, 859 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:43,719 Speaker 5: so I don't want to give one of the other. 860 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 5: Thing it's born is kind of seen as like the 861 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,879 Speaker 5: all right. It's literally built inside of a barn type 862 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,239 Speaker 5: of place, and the stakes are like that thick, so 863 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 5: it's a prime spot as well. 864 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,799 Speaker 2: All right, Corey Smith, Pac Pride two four seven, thank 865 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,359 Speaker 2: you so much for all of your time. I'm all 866 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,359 Speaker 2: of your insight and I am more excited NC State 867 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,759 Speaker 2: has to come through for me now. I'm now like 868 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,799 Speaker 2: more invested than I thought i'd be in the wolf Pack. 869 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:10,919 Speaker 3: Thank you very much for all of your time. 870 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 5: Appreciate you guys. 871 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 1: All Right, Dan, there you go. Corey Smith. Check him 872 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,360 Speaker 1: out at Pacpride. 873 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,320 Speaker 4: Dot com on the twenty four to seven network. Also 874 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 4: listen to his podcast, Pack Pride podcast where they talk 875 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 4: more NC State sports. I said it at the top, 876 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 4: I feel even stronger about it now. 877 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 1: I am fascinated by NC State. 878 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 4: And I'm a little bit worried, because, you know me, 879 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,719 Speaker 4: I fall in love with teams. I fall in love 880 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 4: with schedules in May, and I carry that through the 881 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:42,399 Speaker 4: entirety of. 882 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:43,240 Speaker 1: The regular season. 883 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 4: I'm a little bit worried that NC State could be 884 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,759 Speaker 4: that team for me or one of those teams for 885 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 4: me this season. I've already committed to the bit with 886 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,319 Speaker 4: Virginia Tech. I'm on the fringes of doing so with 887 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 4: NC State as well, because I like what they've done 888 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 4: in the portal. I've always like Grayson mca. The schedule 889 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:05,960 Speaker 4: is you said favorable, I'll say beautiful. It feels like, 890 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,320 Speaker 4: as Corey mentioned, it is a now ur never moment 891 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 4: for this program to get to that ten wind plateau, 892 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:12,960 Speaker 4: and who knows what happens if they do. 893 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,840 Speaker 3: Can I zag for a moment? Please? 894 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,280 Speaker 2: In researching what I wanted to talk to Corey about, 895 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 2: I realized that NC State has had two Finley quarterbacks 896 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,600 Speaker 2: playing in Carter Finley, and I couldn't find a definitive 897 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 2: answer if those Finleys are related to Albert Finley from 898 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 2: the early twentieth century, and now it's driving me a 899 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 2: little bit crazy. And you just don't see that in 900 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,960 Speaker 2: college football quarterbacks with the same name as the stadium, 901 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 2: and I appreciate that tie. I don't know where I'm 902 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,319 Speaker 2: taking this exactly, ty, but it's one of those things 903 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,440 Speaker 2: that just hit me and I was like, huh, that's fun. No, Actually, 904 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:52,920 Speaker 2: Carter Finley is one of those places when I was 905 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 2: doing the old SI Show I always tried to figure 906 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,960 Speaker 2: out a way to get to and was never able 907 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,840 Speaker 2: to in the tailgating series, and is still remains on 908 00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:03,200 Speaker 2: my list as a place that if and when I'm 909 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,960 Speaker 2: able to pick up my ability to travel two games 910 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:07,719 Speaker 2: once again on the list. 911 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,439 Speaker 4: Do you know what, Well, I'm sure there are many, 912 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:16,239 Speaker 4: but one of Carter Finley's the stadiums, Yeah, claims to fame. No, 913 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,799 Speaker 4: did you do a TikTok about this? I did way 914 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,160 Speaker 4: back when. All right, I haven't done it recently. I'm 915 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:23,719 Speaker 4: not going to lie and say it was the most 916 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,759 Speaker 4: exciting one. That's okay, that I've ever done. We'll make 917 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,360 Speaker 4: it exciting, But Carter Finley opened in I want to 918 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:34,840 Speaker 4: say the sixties in reserves. I'm digging back through this 919 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:40,160 Speaker 4: somewhere in there through the archive here. They had at 920 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:44,120 Speaker 4: the time what was considered an innovative and pioneering lighting 921 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:48,240 Speaker 4: system and built it specifically in a way that wouldn't 922 00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 4: blind you if you were in the stands, which was 923 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 4: way ahead of its time. 924 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,720 Speaker 1: Right. Lighting technologies come a long way. 925 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,240 Speaker 4: We talk about the laser thing that they do at 926 00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 4: Alabama and elsewhere. In the sixties, they didn't have any 927 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,000 Speaker 4: of that, but they did a problem with the lights 928 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 4: blinding the people who are actually there. So not only 929 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,919 Speaker 4: was it easier to watch the games in person without 930 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,120 Speaker 4: having the lights shining on you, but because the lighting 931 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,880 Speaker 4: was better, it made it easier to broadcast the games 932 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:12,520 Speaker 4: than in color. 933 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,840 Speaker 2: Oh, I like that ahead of their time. You know 934 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,000 Speaker 2: how I feel about lighting? 935 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:18,400 Speaker 3: Tie. 936 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:22,319 Speaker 2: Lighting's everything. It's not rocket science. It's just where's the 937 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:23,399 Speaker 2: light and how does it look? 938 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, you can look that up true story about Carter Finley. 939 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,960 Speaker 2: But it's sort of like at the Big House that 940 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 2: they specifically cultivated a fan base that would never hurt 941 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,480 Speaker 2: your ears with the volume in the stadium. Right, Okay, 942 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,240 Speaker 2: I always enjoy that. That's just like, Hey, everybody's real chill. 943 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,640 Speaker 2: You know, there's nobody rowdy here. Stadium's nice and wide open. 944 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,160 Speaker 2: It's a nice place to play. 945 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,440 Speaker 4: We will get emails about this. You're gonna get We're 946 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:47,840 Speaker 4: gonna get emails and tweets about this. 947 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:48,360 Speaker 1: That's fine. 948 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 3: I am in a Michigan family. 949 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:50,719 Speaker 1: You are. 950 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,839 Speaker 3: This is all I have to listen to all the time. 951 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,280 Speaker 1: This is my social lifetie Michigan. 952 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,600 Speaker 2: I got this new piece of memorabilia Michigan that it's great. 953 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 4: All right, So look, this was a good show. I 954 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,279 Speaker 4: really appreciate Corey's time. He came on with us on 955 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,800 Speaker 4: short notice. Make sure you check him out and support 956 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,440 Speaker 4: him and the fine work he's doing over at Pack Pride. 957 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,880 Speaker 4: We will continue doing this over the next few episodes, 958 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:15,520 Speaker 4: we promise. 959 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:16,160 Speaker 1: Again. 960 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,600 Speaker 4: Send in suggestions if you have any for other teams 961 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,360 Speaker 4: that you'd like us to focus on, teams that you 962 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,719 Speaker 4: might like to learn a little bit more about. We're 963 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,200 Speaker 4: working hard to try and line up interviews for the 964 00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:26,160 Speaker 4: next week or so. 965 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:27,319 Speaker 1: Again. 966 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,439 Speaker 4: As we get to this point in late May, after 967 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,000 Speaker 4: we get through let's say Memorial Day, things start to 968 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 4: pick up a little bit of steam. Yeah, start to 969 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,680 Speaker 4: pick up a little bit of steam. It squarely at 970 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,000 Speaker 4: that point becomes the preseason. Right now, you can still 971 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,399 Speaker 4: get away with offseason, but as we get into the preseason, 972 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,000 Speaker 4: we obviously have a lot of fun stuff planned here. 973 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:49,480 Speaker 3: Some travel plans. 974 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, we have a lot of stuff on the dock 975 00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,560 Speaker 4: at ahead. So we're excited about the season ahead. It 976 00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,239 Speaker 4: is going to pick up steam the deeper we get 977 00:44:58,239 --> 00:44:59,840 Speaker 4: into this month, and certainly as we get into the 978 00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:00,560 Speaker 4: mo month of June. 979 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:01,280 Speaker 1: So if you're. 980 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,799 Speaker 4: Listening now, if you like what you heard, I know 981 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,359 Speaker 4: how these things work. I'm sure we have new NC 982 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,160 Speaker 4: state people who are listening to this show for the 983 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,759 Speaker 4: first time. We are a national show, but we do 984 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:13,839 Speaker 4: like to spend a fair amount of time talking about 985 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,319 Speaker 4: specific teams, learning about what makes them tick. If you 986 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,360 Speaker 4: like what makes us tick, hit follow, hit subscribe. That 987 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:24,120 Speaker 4: was a perfect professional segue there, that Dan, thank you. Yeah, yeah, 988 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,360 Speaker 4: hit follow, hit subscribe wherever you're listening to us, so 989 00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,120 Speaker 4: that you don't miss any of our episodes. And of course, 990 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,560 Speaker 4: for Ballers dot com is the Patreon if you want 991 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,640 Speaker 4: to get the ad free episodes, a little bit early 992 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,360 Speaker 4: access to Discord, so on and so forth. 993 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,360 Speaker 3: Can I give some life advice real quick before we 994 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:38,839 Speaker 3: sign off? 995 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:39,520 Speaker 1: Life advice? 996 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,799 Speaker 3: Life advice as it relates to the college football season. 997 00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:42,600 Speaker 1: Oh please? 998 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,520 Speaker 2: Okay, So we are I think exactly four months out 999 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,640 Speaker 2: from September twenty first, is my math? 1000 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:50,200 Speaker 3: Correct? There? 1001 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,279 Speaker 1: I have no idea. I'm just going to so May 1002 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:52,560 Speaker 1: is the. 1003 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,240 Speaker 3: Fifth month, September is the ninth month. 1004 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,960 Speaker 1: I don't do that, I'm going to take We can agree, sure, agreed. 1005 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,560 Speaker 3: We agree that May is the fifth month, September. I 1006 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,680 Speaker 3: didn't think that was a controversial ass correct. 1007 00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:03,000 Speaker 1: Correct? 1008 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,080 Speaker 2: So we're four months out from September twenty first, as 1009 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:07,920 Speaker 2: we record this on May twenty first. 1010 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,520 Speaker 4: We are ninety five days out from the first college 1011 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:11,160 Speaker 4: football game. 1012 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,000 Speaker 2: Yes, okay, In specifically, September twenty first is when NC 1013 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,640 Speaker 2: State travels to Clemson. Correct, Okay, This is when I 1014 00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,440 Speaker 2: would start speaking with your family, when I would start 1015 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:27,000 Speaker 2: speaking with your significant other and say, hey, just a 1016 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,600 Speaker 2: heads up. NC State's at Clemson on September twenty first, 1017 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,080 Speaker 2: And I don't know what sort of plans will come 1018 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,160 Speaker 2: up whatever, but that's a very important date to me 1019 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:41,520 Speaker 2: to watch this huge football game because as the date 1020 00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,160 Speaker 2: looms closer and you're like, oh, we're actually going out 1021 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,560 Speaker 2: with my sister or you know, we actually have this 1022 00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,879 Speaker 2: this communion, this bar mitzva whatever. Like I told you 1023 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:55,000 Speaker 2: in late May, I gave you notice. So just for 1024 00:46:55,160 --> 00:47:01,200 Speaker 2: your own safety socially personally, I don't think it's ever 1025 00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,200 Speaker 2: too soon to start circling dates on the calendar, to 1026 00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,840 Speaker 2: give your significant other heads up, because what you're doing 1027 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,359 Speaker 2: is you're providing a service for both yourself and your 1028 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,879 Speaker 2: loved ones. You're like, look, let's do whatever you want 1029 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,600 Speaker 2: Friday the twentieth, Let's do whatever you want the twenty second. 1030 00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,960 Speaker 2: But that's an important day to me that I don't miss. 1031 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,040 Speaker 2: So that's I think right now is when you should 1032 00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:21,760 Speaker 2: start circling. 1033 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,360 Speaker 3: Is that okay? Is that a reasonable There are some advice. 1034 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:28,879 Speaker 4: There are some fantastic games in week four as well. 1035 00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,120 Speaker 1: That's week four of the season. 1036 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,600 Speaker 2: You're talking about the twenty first, specifically USC at Michigan. 1037 00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:34,400 Speaker 5: Great. 1038 00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,800 Speaker 2: I'm just saying, if it's week nine, if it's week eleven, 1039 00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,440 Speaker 2: if it's week two, whatever, look at your team's schedule. Oh, 1040 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:44,040 Speaker 2: you start giving notice, agree the big ones, the highlight matchups. 1041 00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,440 Speaker 2: But I'm saying, if you need if you need to 1042 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,880 Speaker 2: add a little bit more meat on the bone, Okay, 1043 00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,160 Speaker 2: to support your case. 1044 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,360 Speaker 3: Tell me about September twenty. 1045 00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,960 Speaker 4: First, not just NC State at Clemson, which figures to 1046 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,000 Speaker 4: be a Top twenty matchup, I think, you know, if 1047 00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,439 Speaker 4: not better. You've got USC at Michigan, which is nothing 1048 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,880 Speaker 4: if not in We have the much ballyhooed Cal squaring 1049 00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,640 Speaker 4: off on the road at Florida State, their natural rival, 1050 00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:13,520 Speaker 4: classic classic rivalry. We also have Tennessee at Oklahoma, which 1051 00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,800 Speaker 4: I think will be an interesting matchup. To say, at least, 1052 00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,640 Speaker 4: We've got to match up elsewhere around college football in 1053 00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,320 Speaker 4: the Big Twelve, which I think is fascinating, like Kansas 1054 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,400 Speaker 4: State at BYU, Utah at Oklahoma State. 1055 00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,759 Speaker 2: Okay, don't if you're a Kansas State fan. You can 1056 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,120 Speaker 2: do better than telling your significant other I gotta watch 1057 00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:30,799 Speaker 2: the BYU game. 1058 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,319 Speaker 4: Kansas Kansas at West Virginia should be a pretty good 1059 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,359 Speaker 4: game as well. I'm not going to recite all of 1060 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,360 Speaker 4: these games, but I'm looking at the schedule and I 1061 00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,000 Speaker 4: think this figures to be a really really fun UCLA 1062 00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,200 Speaker 4: at LSU. I don't have much hopes for LSU in 1063 00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,480 Speaker 4: that matchup or for UCLA. 1064 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,400 Speaker 3: Beat them in the first part of that, the first leg, right. 1065 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:52,959 Speaker 1: But beat them in the first leg. Yeah. 1066 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,800 Speaker 4: So look, this is the new world order of college 1067 00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,520 Speaker 4: football where we've got all these teams that have clumped 1068 00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,919 Speaker 4: together in power conferences and hopefully if nothing more. 1069 00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:03,960 Speaker 1: I know, we don't like to think of. 1070 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,919 Speaker 4: It in terms of TV revenue and ratings, and that's 1071 00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,920 Speaker 4: for people who are actually in the entertainment business, not 1072 00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,080 Speaker 4: Dan and I sure, but as a TV product, there 1073 00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,279 Speaker 4: are a lot of good TV games. There's a a 1074 00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,880 Speaker 4: lot of interesting television this season ahead in college football, 1075 00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,040 Speaker 4: and we four it I think is no Difference's probably 1076 00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:22,520 Speaker 4: not as strong as some of the other weeks, but 1077 00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,840 Speaker 4: obviously this is like one of the headliners, if not 1078 00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:27,560 Speaker 4: USC Michigan. 1079 00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,279 Speaker 2: I am just now learning that LSU has both LA 1080 00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:36,200 Speaker 2: schools on the schedule and both USC's in September, South 1081 00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,919 Speaker 2: Carolina and USC. I to me, Southern California is USC, 1082 00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,120 Speaker 2: but I'm sure people in South Carolina feel differently. 1083 00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:43,040 Speaker 3: That's pretty great. 1084 00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,400 Speaker 1: Good for LSU, big thanks again to Corey Smith. 1085 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,480 Speaker 4: Check them out at Pacpride dot com, hit follow, hit 1086 00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,640 Speaker 4: subscribe wherever you are listening to Dan and I. So 1087 00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:54,680 Speaker 4: that you don't miss any of our episodes. Twice a 1088 00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,480 Speaker 4: week here, yes, until at some point in July, I think, 1089 00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,000 Speaker 4: when we'll switch it up to three a week and 1090 00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,560 Speaker 4: start getting you ready for of the season. Many more 1091 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,120 Speaker 4: episodes to come, though before we reached that point. Hope 1092 00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,200 Speaker 4: to have you here with us for that over there, 1093 00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,719 Speaker 4: my good friend Dan Rubinstein for myself, Ty Hilda Brand. 1094 00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,719 Speaker 1: Enjoy your weekend, Happy Memorial Day. We'll talk to you 1095 00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,240 Speaker 1: all on the flip side. Stay solid, peace,