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Speaker 2: So joining me now.

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Speaker 1: Is one of the most decorated Olympians in Iowa history.

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Speaker 1: Josh Turik is candidate for the US Senate, but I'm

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Speaker 1: born with spina bifida. He ended up making a name

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Speaker 1: for himself in playing professionally wheelchair basketball, earning a gold

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Speaker 1: the Paralympics. And he's now a politician, not the blazing

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Speaker 1: a trail that, frankly is actually not a first time

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Speaker 1: trail when it comes to that people. Certainly we've had

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Speaker 1: our share of athletes going into politics. Josh is from

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Speaker 1: the western part of the state. It's the state I'm

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Speaker 1: that weird No Man's Land, how much Iowan? How much Nebraskan,

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Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit about your campaign and who

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Speaker 1: you are. Josh Turk, It's nice to.

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Speaker 2: Meet you, Yeah, Chuck, thanks for having me. First.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to correct you on I'm not an Olympian.

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Speaker 3: I'm a Paralympian. I'm a four time Paralympian, time gold medalist,

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Speaker 3: the Summer Olympian.

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Speaker 3: I mean, well, the Summer Olympics is the largest sporting

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Speaker 3: then the other correction is, you're right, I am. I

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Speaker 2: A politician can be a bit of a pejorative, no,

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Speaker 1: I mean just like journalists can be a bit of

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Speaker 1: of the media, if you will. But let me start

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Speaker 1: with Eric. You know, if let's start with your life

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Speaker 1: as a professional athlete. You know you're born with spina biffita.

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Speaker 1: You didn't probably think as a kid you were going

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Speaker 3: I was born and raised in Council BLUs, Iowa. Council

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Speaker 3: Bluss is a very working class community. Sixty five percent

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Speaker 3: Where was I was able to play in Outside of Milan, Italy?

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Speaker 3: I think that our sports can be very masculinely driven,

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Speaker 3: And it was an amazing opportunity to be able to to

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Speaker 2: How's your Italian? A Deaco?

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Speaker 1: Probably it's better than mine, So don't worry whatever you say.

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Speaker 2: My Spanish, My Spanish is good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're certainly correct. I mean a handful of things there.

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Speaker 3: It really is, I'm only here because of Senator Harkin,

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Speaker 1: It's possible that our friend Tony Coelo might even be

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Speaker 1: It was equal access, not equal outcomes. Equal access, that's right,

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. The way that I would say that is when

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Speaker 2: Now is an independent.

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Speaker 1: I had Rob sand on this podcast a few months

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Speaker 1: ago and he said something. I said, why are you running?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: He talked about the problems of the Democratic brand, and

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Speaker 1: I'd say, so, why are you running as a Democrat?

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Speaker 1: And he said, well, if there was another way, maybe

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Speaker 1: I would run as an independent, but this is the

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Speaker 1: most viable way to get on the ballot. The South

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Speaker 1: Dakota Independent made the case. He said, the reason he's

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Speaker 1: running as an independent set of a Democrat is that

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Speaker 1: there are some people that won't listen to his pitch

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Speaker 1: if they find out he is a D next to

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Speaker 1: his name, and the minute he doesn't have a D

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Speaker 1: next to his name, he's suddenly having these conversations with

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Speaker 1: a whole bunch of voters going, yeah, I agree with you, Yes,

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Speaker 1: I agree with you, Yes, I agree with you. Does

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Speaker 1: the D next to your name? What happens when somebody says, hey,

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Speaker 1: I like what you're saying, but why do you have

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Speaker 1: a D next to your name? What's your answer to that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm really really clear of why I have

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Speaker 3: a D next to my name. I'm always reminded of

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Speaker 3: the quote from John F. Kennedy when he said, you know,

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Speaker 3: why are you a liberal? Why are you a Democrat?

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Speaker 3: And it's because I believe in looking forward not backwards.

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Speaker 3: That I believe in and I care about people's jobs,

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Speaker 3: about people's health care, about people's schools. This is why,

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Speaker 3: ultimately I'm a integrammer. I say that I have two

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Speaker 3: north stars politically. The first is a quote from Franklin

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Speaker 3: delan and Roosevelt, which I think is the greatest president

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Speaker 3: of the twentieth century and also the only disabled president

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Speaker 3: that we've ever had, And he said that the test

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Speaker 3: of our progress of a society is not whether we

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Speaker 3: add more to those with abundance, but whether we have

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Speaker 3: enough to those with the least. And then the other

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Speaker 3: would be Matthew twenty five forty, which is, you know,

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Speaker 3: as Jesus said, what you do to the least among you,

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Speaker 3: that you also do to me, And that, to me

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Speaker 3: is the essence of what a democrat is. Is that

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Speaker 3: we care about people's schools and jobs, in livelihoods, and healthcare.

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Speaker 3: And that is really really clear of why I'm a Democrat.

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Speaker 3: I don't think necessarily that Iowa is like these other

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Speaker 3: states and that you get out of the urban communities,

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Speaker 3: and the term democrat or democratic is a pejorative. I

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Speaker 3: think we have a very very long history of being

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Speaker 3: a progressive state. Third state to legalize gay marriage.

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Speaker 1: I say, I have a friend of mine that refers

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Speaker 1: to Iowa as the organ of the Midwest. We used

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Speaker 1: to do that about ten years ago. A little less

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Speaker 1: so lately, given that it's been a little less purple,

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Speaker 1: although I still think Iowa just was uniquely open to

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Speaker 1: Trump at a period of time when this economy was

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Speaker 1: just transitioning. I suspect Iowa was going to go back

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Speaker 1: to its swing swinginess pretty soon.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we could certainly get into one of the

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Speaker 3: reasons why Iowa has shifted more than almost any other

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Speaker 3: state over the last ten years.

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Speaker 1: And there's no state with more Obama to Trump counties,

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Speaker 1: no state. They're all in eastern Iowa. It's fascinating.

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Speaker 3: You are absolutely correct. But here here's what I've said.

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Speaker 3: I've said that Iowa is a common sense state that

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Speaker 3: has masquerrated as a red state. And for you, you

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Speaker 3: have to remember that for thirty years we had we

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Speaker 3: voted for Senator Harken, and that he ended in twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 3: That's not that long ago. But even more recently, in

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Speaker 3: Trump's first midterm twenty eighteen, we won three of the

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Speaker 3: four congressional seats, and we were only three points away

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Speaker 3: from winning every single one of the congressional races. And

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Speaker 3: I actually feel even more energy and excitement right now

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Speaker 3: for chance, particularly in the rural communities which they have

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Speaker 3: just been absolutely decimated and betrayed by the tariffs and

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Speaker 3: where the commodities prices are. You go to even more

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Speaker 3: recent history. Twenty twenty two, we were only one point

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Speaker 3: five percent away from having three of our six state

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Speaker 3: wide officials being Democrats. That means the average Iowa voter

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Speaker 3: went in there in twenty twenty two and voted for

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Speaker 3: three Democrats and three Republicans. We are not a red state.

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Speaker 3: We're a common sense state that has masqueraded more than

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Speaker 3: what we actually are. And because everything has perfectly aligned

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Speaker 3: and we needed about ten things to happen, but the

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Speaker 3: fact that we've got, for the first time since nineteen

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Speaker 3: sixty eight, an open Senate race, and an open governor's

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Speaker 3: race and two open congressional races. I really do believe

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Speaker 3: that Iowa was the center of the political universe in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty six, and you were going to see the

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Speaker 3: state shift.

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Speaker 1: I've had some say to me, let me curious what

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Speaker 1: you think of this, And I'm probably playing to the

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Speaker 1: crowds on this one, which is the Iowa Democratic Party

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Speaker 1: got a little too Deminish and not enough everywhere else

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Speaker 1: that it was almost too concentrated in Des Moines. Do

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Speaker 1: you accept that premise? Do you think that was part

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Speaker 1: of the problem over the last decade.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that the not not only in Iowa,

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Speaker 3: but I think nationally, I think the party has has

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Speaker 3: lost touch with the plights of real Americans or the

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Speaker 3: middle class or just the average worker.

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Speaker 2: We're all real America.

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Speaker 1: Other way, I always get a little sensitive to that

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Speaker 1: in fairness, urban Americans in rural America. But I think

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Speaker 1: what you're trying to say, and what I would say

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Speaker 1: when I would say this and I got and I'd.

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Speaker 2: Fall into the same trap so I didn't mean.

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Speaker 1: To which is it's really rural America that Democrats just

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Speaker 1: stopped showing up in and it's showing up. This is

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Speaker 1: why they've been alienated from rural America. It's not that

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Speaker 1: they've like, if you'd show up, they'd have no problem.

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Speaker 1: But this is where I think micro targeting and the

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Speaker 1: quote efficiency of use of dollars. Well, there's more Democrats

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Speaker 1: in the urban area. You got to get out the

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Speaker 1: got to get out the base vote. And you're like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but if you shave three points in rural America, then

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Speaker 1: you have a better shot at urban America, putting you

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Speaker 1: over the finish line.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that that has certainly been a miscalculation. First,

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Speaker 3: I would say two things. I would say, you know,

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Speaker 3: quote having done this and winning in very very red areas,

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Speaker 3: I say that the right candidate with the right message

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Speaker 3: and the right work ethic, you can win in these

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Speaker 3: red environments because I've got the electoral experience that that

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Speaker 3: that I've I've done it, and the quality of candidacy

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Speaker 3: can't be understated on that. I would also say that

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Speaker 3: part of the calculus is we do need candidates that

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Speaker 3: are going to be willing to go out there and

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Speaker 3: go into all ninety nine counties and go into all

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Speaker 3: these small communities. I think for far too long here

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Speaker 3: in Iowa, over the last ten years, we've had candidates say, well,

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Speaker 3: we're going to maximize turnout in Polk County and Johnson

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Speaker 3: County and Lynn County, and that's how we're going to win.

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Speaker 3: But ultimately, where a rules state, and it may not

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Speaker 3: make a fundamental difference in the outcomes in the statehouse races,

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Speaker 3: but we've got to trim the margins and we've got

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Speaker 3: to get out there and we've got to talk to

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Speaker 3: Republicans in these and independence in these rural communities and

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Speaker 3: explain why we're different. But we certainly can do that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we have the opportunity. In the messaging I've

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Speaker 3: been able to prove it.

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Speaker 1: You've already sort of touched on this issue that I

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Speaker 1: sort of discovered in twenty.

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Speaker 2: Gosh, I think it was. It was I did a whole.

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Speaker 1: I think it was in twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 1: we went out to eastern Iowa to talk about sort

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Speaker 1: of what happened to you know, where did all the

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Speaker 1: Democrats go in eastern Iowa? And I was in Decora

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Speaker 1: and in some of these towns, and most of what

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Speaker 1: we heard was simply, you know, the only Democrat that

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Speaker 1: showed up in twenty twenty was Pete Bouda Diute. You know,

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Speaker 1: nobody else did. And you're like, well, no, wonder he overperformed, right,

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Speaker 1: you know. Now there was sort of a comfort level

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Speaker 1: for him. He was already a Midwesterner, so there was this,

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Speaker 1: you know, and he was sort of a fish out

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Speaker 1: of water in South Bend. And when you start out

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Speaker 1: as thinking of yourself as a fish out of water,

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Speaker 1: you sometimes overwork, right, And so he went to all

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Speaker 1: these places. But the other thing I discovered was there

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Speaker 1: was a lot of bullishness that well, Democrats are going

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Speaker 1: to be able to make a comeback because of what

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Speaker 1: was happening in the schools. And it comes to the

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Speaker 1: sort of the choicification. I guess of pub of public

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Speaker 1: schools all over the country. I was sort of following

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Speaker 1: a blue print that Florida has in some of these

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Speaker 1: other states in the South. And the problem that I

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Speaker 1: think Texas Republicans are running into Iowa Republicans are running

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Speaker 1: into is school choice sounds great, but when you live

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Speaker 1: where the closest school is thirty is within, you know,

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Speaker 1: the next clos to school is thirty miles away, what

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Speaker 1: choice do you have? And so suddenly you're not fixing

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Speaker 1: my school, but you've given me choice to go find

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Speaker 1: an alternative thirty miles away or I have to homeschool

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Speaker 1: my kids. Walk me through the choicification of the Iowa

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Speaker 1: public school system right now and how it did work

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Speaker 1: and how it's working.

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Speaker 2: At the moment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is certainly it was a point of personal

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Speaker 3: pride for all Iowans. We were number one in education.

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Speaker 1: Always Massachusetts in the east, Iowa and the Midwest, and

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Speaker 1: I think it would be like get out West.

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Speaker 2: Those were always the three big, you know.

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Speaker 3: Great states for public schools, and this is why people

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Speaker 3: were moving here. Our test scores were the highest in

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Speaker 3: the nation, and we prioritize that even when we put

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Speaker 3: out our state quarter.

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Speaker 2: It was it was about the quality of our education.

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Speaker 3: And now, unfortunately, we have seen a precipitous drop and

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Speaker 3: now we're down to the middle of the pack on

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Speaker 3: this issue. Depending on the metric you're using, twenty six

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Speaker 3: or even thirty two, what's the drops.

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Speaker 1: We spend it on testing, it's un testing and all

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Speaker 1: across the board.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, tes testing scores predominantly is where you're seeing it.

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Speaker 3: But one of the reasons is because we're no longer

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Speaker 3: prioritizing this or funding this. We now spend twelve hundred

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Speaker 3: dollars less than the national average per pupil here in

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Speaker 3: Iowa and in the Iowa legislature. Unfortunately, now with what

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Speaker 3: we've seen with vouchers, last year, we gave our public

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Speaker 3: schools a two percent increase and we gave our private

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Speaker 3: schools a forty four percent increase in funding. And in

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Speaker 3: what you're seeing is you're seeing rural schools that are

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Speaker 3: legitimately struggling and closing and it I mean, it's it's

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Speaker 3: it's very very serious. When these rural communities, you only

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Speaker 3: have really four pillars of these rural community and that

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Speaker 3: would be your rural pharmacies, which are closing, and then

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Speaker 3: you're seeing rural schools closing due to the lack of funding,

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Speaker 3: and we're giving private schools and there are no private

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Speaker 3: schools in these rural communities.

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Speaker 1: No, And what you potentially do is you you almost

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Speaker 1: incentivize some bad actors who try to open up sort

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Speaker 1: of you know, essentially government funded private schooling where they

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Speaker 1: get tax.

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Speaker 2: Breaks and all this stuff.

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Speaker 1: They grab the money and they don't give your kid

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Speaker 1: a good education and there's nobody there to make sure

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Speaker 1: they're following the rules. Or you get parents start homeschooling,

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Speaker 1: and that's hard.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I think many a parent wants to do that well

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Speaker 1: and in a dream world in some ways somebody you know,

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Speaker 1: But it's not as easy as you make it out

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Speaker 1: to me. And I admire those that do it, but

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Speaker 1: it's hard.

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Speaker 3: It ain't easy, absolutely, and there are so many rural

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Speaker 3: communities now that are struggling with this. And even more

660
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Speaker 3: egregiously is that we can't audit the schools and so

661
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Speaker 3: there's no regulation on what they teach. There's no regulation

662
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Speaker 3: in terms of it. It's your tax dollars being used there.

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Speaker 3: You go your tax dollars and yet then there's no

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Speaker 3: standard on testing. They can spend the money how they want.

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Speaker 3: They can spend it on pupils, they can spend it

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Speaker 3: on football equipment if they want. And then most most

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Speaker 3: egregiously for me, is there's no discrimination policies in place,

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Speaker 3: and so if a kid needs an IEP or he

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Speaker 3: has a visible disability or whatever his situation is, the

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Speaker 3: private schools can say no, sorry, we can't take you,

671
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Speaker 3: which just puts that onus more on the public schools

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Speaker 3: which are having less and less funding, right and department.

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Speaker 1: This is one thing people always ask, what does the

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Speaker 1: National Department of Education do help public schools with the

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Speaker 1: funding so that they can provide services to students who

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Speaker 1: may need some extra help in order.

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Speaker 3: To get particularly with those with disabilities and special education.

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Speaker 1: It's always been a foundational support. So you get rid

679
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Speaker 1: of this, and where's this going to go? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I hate to be politically cynical about this, but I

681
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Speaker 1: think this has opened the door to having a different

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Speaker 1: conversation in rural America than Democrats have been having over

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Speaker 1: the last decade.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean this is just kind of, unfortunately

685
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Speaker 3: a perfect storm in these rural communities where you're just

686
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Speaker 3: you're you're seeing young people not stick around. As I

687
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Speaker 3: was saying before, you've got four pillars in these rural communities.

688
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Speaker 3: You've got the rural pharmacy. That's an interesting issue, you're right,

689
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Speaker 3: I mean rural pharmacies. They're being hurt by the PBMs.

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Speaker 3: And then you've got your public your schools which are

691
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Speaker 3: closing because of the lack of funding, and we're putting

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Speaker 3: the funding towards the private schools where you're only in

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Speaker 3: the urban areas. And then you've got rural hospitals. And

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Speaker 3: in a place like Iowa, you've got two and five

695
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Speaker 3: is ones in the rural communities that are on Medicaid.

696
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Speaker 3: In the last five years, we have closed thirty one

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Speaker 3: nursing home skilled nursing facilities in rural hospitals due to

698
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Speaker 3: lack of reimbursement and lack of FUNDA. It is really

699
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Speaker 3: hurting these these communities. Then you exasperate that with what

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Speaker 3: we're seeing on the tariffs and the commodities prices, where

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Speaker 3: these you know, we're losing our family farms and you're

702
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Speaker 3: seeing farm suicides and foreclosure rates that are going up.

703
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Speaker 3: I mean, we really is moving us into almost a

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Speaker 3: a second farm crisis of what we saw in the

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Speaker 3: in the nineteen eighties.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, where are you on tariffs?

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Speaker 1: Because I think that you know, in Iowa famously, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, ag tariffs were you'd be in one some

709
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Speaker 1: some politicians would be on one side of the aisle

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Speaker 1: for against all tariffs on ag because that was such

711
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Speaker 1: a huge export. But then on manufacturing you'd have you know,

712
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Speaker 1: particularly a Tom Harkett might be for some of these tariffs.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's on washing machines or dishwashers because those things

714
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Speaker 1: used to be made. You know, there was a time

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Speaker 1: that certain towns were known not by their name but

716
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Speaker 1: by the plant. Right, Oh, it's a maytag town, right,

717
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Speaker 1: you know you'd have that, or oh it's a it's

718
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Speaker 1: a popcorn town, or it's a popcorn popping plant. And

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Speaker 1: where are you? You know, do you think all tariffs

720
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Speaker 1: are bad? When are there tariffs that are out there

721
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Speaker 1: that you support? Where do you put yourself on the issue.

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Speaker 3: No, I would tend to agree with you. I mean,

723
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Speaker 3: certainly not all tariffs are bad. I think you can

724
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Speaker 3: make the argument that at least in the manufacturing sector,

725
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Speaker 3: to have some level of parody or competition they can

726
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Speaker 3: be valuable, but certainly what we're seeing right now with

727
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Speaker 3: this chaotic terriffs where you know you're seeing shifts from

728
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Speaker 3: from day to day, and you know one day it's

729
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Speaker 3: one hundred percent tariffs, and they have really really hurt

730
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Speaker 3: the gag communities, and that's being doubled down where Trump's

731
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Speaker 3: giving forty billion dollars to Argentina to bail them out

732
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Speaker 3: so that the Chinese can buy their soybeans. Meanwhile, our

733
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Speaker 3: farmers are left there to hold the bag and they're

734
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Speaker 3: upside down on their soybeans. It really really is hurting

735
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Speaker 3: our bag communities. And I think that when I'm out

736
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Speaker 3: there and I've been out to a lot of farms,

737
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 3: we're hearing farmers that are really really concerned that we've

738
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Speaker 3: already lost a majority of our family farms and what

739
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Speaker 3: few remain out there. Yeah, suicide rates are three times

740
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Speaker 3: higher than what they were over the last two years.

741
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Speaker 3: Foreclosure rates are double what they were last year. It's

742
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Speaker 3: it's moving us towards the farm crisis, and this has

743
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Speaker 3: been a self inflicted womb due to this chaotic nature

744
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Speaker 3: of the tariffs. I believe that tariffs should be as

745
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Speaker 3: the as the founders of the Constitution intended with the

746
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Speaker 3: power of the legislature much like the power of the purse.

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Speaker 1: So one of the things that frustrates longtime Iowan's is

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Speaker 1: the idea it's a shrinking population state, right that the

749
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Speaker 1: I remember when when you know that there have been

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Speaker 1: multiple governors who said, you know, my goal is to

751
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm during the heyday of the public school system. Hey,

752
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Speaker 1: we're educating all these kids and they're leaving. You know,

753
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Speaker 1: they're they're leaving the state. They're not staying. What's the

754
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Speaker 1: what's your plan to get more folks to want to

755
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Speaker 1: stay in Iowa? What's the job what's the job market

756
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Speaker 1: looked like the next thirty years in Iowa? And what

757
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Speaker 1: is what should Iowa be an investing in to make

758
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Speaker 1: it to make it such a because it's always been

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Speaker 1: seen as a pretty livable, right, it's a it's a

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Speaker 1: very livable place to moin in particular, so you know,

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Speaker 1: if you're looking for a small city but want city life,

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Speaker 1: the Moin's about as affordable a place as you can

763
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Speaker 1: live in the Midwest. But what's the next what are

764
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Speaker 1: the next thirty years of jobs look like in Iowa?

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Speaker 1: Because I do think Iowans are nervous about the future.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they certainly are.

767
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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, we're the only state in the last one hundred

768
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Speaker 3: years that hasn't doubled in population size. And even for

769
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Speaker 3: the for the young people that we have, oftentimes we're

770
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Speaker 3: educating them and then they go on. The first thing

771
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 3: is we've we've we've got to start going the right direction,

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Speaker 3: particularly in rural communities. As I said, you know, we've

773
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Speaker 3: we've got to have a healthcare system in place. We're

774
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Speaker 3: basically dead last right now in Iowa for every single

775
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Speaker 3: economic metric, I mean, for all intents and purposes, we're

776
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Speaker 3: already in a recession. We've seen a six percent reduction

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Speaker 3: in GDP, We're forty ninth in terms of economic growth,

778
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Speaker 3: forty eight out of fifty in terms of individual purchasing

779
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Speaker 3: in economic growth. By every single healthcare metric, we're basically

780
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Speaker 3: dead last. Rural hospitals, obgyns, mental health providers, mental health reimbursements.

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Speaker 3: You have to have these systems in place to want

782
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Speaker 3: for this to be a livable situation as well if

783
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Speaker 3: you want people to move here to Iowa. So I agree,

784
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Speaker 3: it's a beautiful state when all around the world. I

785
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 3: love Iowa. It's great, Iowa nice, it's affordable even, you know,

786
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Speaker 3: it's amazing place. But you've got to have these systems

787
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Speaker 3: in place, from education and healthcare, and also what we're

788
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 3: seeing with some of these social issues where we've moved

789
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Speaker 3: to a six week abortion ban and in some of

790
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Speaker 3: these culture war issues where we've just not made this

791
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Speaker 3: state very welcoming to a lot of individuals. And you know,

792
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Speaker 3: it's interesting doing on immigration as wells it made it

793
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Speaker 3: less welcoming to immigrant communities.

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Speaker 1: Their fee is free unless they win. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: interesting with with Iowa and how it's gotten sideways and

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Speaker 1: cultural issues is that, you know, my father grew up

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Speaker 1: the you know, the Midwest Methodist, which means, you know,

816
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Speaker 1: I always joke Methodists are you know, people who are

817
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Speaker 1: Christians but don't want to talk about it. You know,

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Speaker 1: but but you know, meaning like you know, your your

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Speaker 1: faith is your faith.

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Speaker 2: You don't wear it on your sleeve.

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Speaker 1: What you wear in your sleeve is your values, right,

822
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Speaker 1: it's it's you know, your values is being good to

823
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Speaker 1: your neighbor, empathy, things like that. And yet there's this

824
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Speaker 1: perception that i was a very religious state. And yet

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Speaker 1: I did see something recently that compared to the rest

826
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Speaker 1: of the Midwest, it is actually has the least. It's

827
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Speaker 1: it's on a downward trajectory of people that go every

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Speaker 1: week to some sort of religious service. What is What

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Speaker 1: have you discussed out there campaigning statewide?

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Speaker 3: I mean, most states are on a downward trajectory in

831
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Speaker 3: terms of that, but I still think that I was

832
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Speaker 3: is a religious state. I think the most recent numbers

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Speaker 3: I had seen was sixty five percent of Violins still

834
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Speaker 3: a ten church on a regular basis or would define

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Speaker 3: themselves as Christian or members of religious organization. And certainly

836
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Speaker 3: that's something that I'm going to incorporate in this campaign.

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Speaker 3: I'm somebody that has born and raised and proudly spiritual

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Speaker 3: and would define myself as is a Christian in the

839
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Speaker 3: true sense of the word.

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Speaker 2: And I'm going to go out there.

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Speaker 3: There's three things that Republicans that have, as I feel

842
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Speaker 3: like they've had a stranglehold on, that they're not going

843
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Speaker 3: to be able to use against me. The first is

844
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Speaker 3: hard work, because every single part of my story from

845
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Speaker 3: overcoming economic situations, the healthcare situations that I've gone through,

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Speaker 3: also to win Gold Medals, but then even to win

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Speaker 3: my election, a very very deeply read district.

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Speaker 2: Going out there.

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Speaker 3: Every single day and dragging my wheelchair upstairs has been

850
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Speaker 3: about hard work. The second is I think that Republicans

851
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Speaker 3: have felt like they've been able to have a stranglehold

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Speaker 3: on patriotism. And I'm someone that is deeply patriotic. I

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Speaker 3: love Iowa, I love my country. I have proudly represented

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Speaker 3: the United States in four Paralympic Games and one gold medals,

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Speaker 3: and so I don't think they'll be able to use that.

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Speaker 3: And the third is, as we were talking about with this,

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Speaker 3: is on spirituality or on religion. I feel like there

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Speaker 3: has been this push that if you're a Democrat you

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Speaker 3: cannot be religious or spiritual, if you're a Christian, you

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Speaker 3: must have to be Republican. And I'm going to go

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Speaker 3: out there and actively talk about, you know, Matthew twenty

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Speaker 3: five forty, and that the true message of Jesus is

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Speaker 3: taking care of the most vulnerable in society and the

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Speaker 3: poor and the elderly and the disabled. It's one of

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Speaker 3: the main reasons why I am a Democrat.

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Speaker 1: Let me go through a few questions that you're look,

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Speaker 1: you know that could get WEAPONI against you, fair, unfair.

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Speaker 1: The issue of trans sports and access? What what what

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Speaker 1: should that? What's fair to the trans community when it

870
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Speaker 1: comes to access to organized sports, school, college, et cetera.

871
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Speaker 1: I mean I say this and I feel like you

872
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Speaker 1: actually have a in some ways of a better you know,

873
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Speaker 1: you benefited from having access.

874
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Speaker 2: For for adaptive sports.

875
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Speaker 1: So what's the right I don't know if there's a

876
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Speaker 1: right answer. What do you think is the right way

877
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Speaker 1: to think about this issue?

878
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Speaker 3: I mean the first is I think we need to

879
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 3: be empathetic on this issue. I mean, the children that

880
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 3: are involved in this, they're they're really in a no

881
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 3: win situation. Is somebody that you know has gone through

882
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Speaker 3: a lot of bullying and adversity in my life, you know,

883
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Speaker 3: being different with the disability.

884
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Speaker 2: We need to recognize.

885
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Speaker 3: That, you know, sports is a unique area of dedicated

886
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Speaker 3: a lot of my life to this, and we certainly

887
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 3: need fairness and involved in this. However, I would say that,

888
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 3: you know, I have personal experience with this. I actually

889
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 3: I wanted to try out for my team in high

890
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 3: school and play basketball, and yet there was an equipment

891
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 3: rule that prevented me from being able to play. And

892
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 3: yet it was not my congressman, or my mayor or

893
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Speaker 3: my senator that was making the decision on this issue.

894
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 3: It was the sports governing bodies. And so my position

895
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Speaker 3: on this is that this should be decided by the

896
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Speaker 3: sports governing bodies.

897
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Speaker 2: And politicians shouldn't be involved in this conversation. I don't.

898
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Speaker 2: I don't.

899
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Speaker 3: I don't think my position is a United States senator

900
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Speaker 3: I should be involved in this, that it should be

901
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 3: Should a high school principal have to make sports governing bodies?

902
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 3: I don't think it should be left up to local control.

903
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Speaker 3: I think you leave it up to sports governing bodies.

904
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Speaker 1: Socialism versus capitalism. You know the excitement that the progressives

905
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Speaker 1: have about the victory of Zoon Mamdani, he's a self

906
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Speaker 1: described democratic socialist. There's the every political party claims they're

907
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Speaker 1: a big tent when they have people in there that

908
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Speaker 1: that they that not everybody agrees, and I get that,

909
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: But where are you on socialism versus capitalism? And I

910
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Speaker 1: ask a plurality the most recent NBC News poll, it's

911
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: a poll that I'm very familiar with, and I know

912
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Speaker 1: it's really well done. Democrats were the only group that

913
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Speaker 1: had a net positive rating on socialism and a net

914
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Speaker 1: negative rating on capitalism. A Why do you think that

915
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Speaker 1: is and where do you put yourself on that spectrum?

916
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Speaker 3: Well, I would define myself as a capitalist. I think

917
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 3: capitalism is the greatest vehicle ever devised by man to

918
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Speaker 3: be able to generate capital. However, it's very inefficient at

919
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 3: being able to divide that that capitalis. So I'm certainly

920
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 3: not a las Fair capitalist. I think that you know,

921
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Speaker 3: you need a regulated capitalism and a progressive taxation rate.

922
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Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, when something's been fascinating to me, again

923
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 3: representing very red district, and you talk, I'm not talking

924
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 3: most exclusive Republicans, this whole entire MAGA movement make America

925
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 3: Great Again. Well, what they're talking about with that is

926
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Speaker 3: they're talking about America post World two, arguably at our zenith.

927
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Speaker 3: And I'm sure and preaching the choir to you on this,

928
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Speaker 3: but when you're talking about America post World two nineteen fifties,

929
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Speaker 3: you're talking about the where we had the most amount

930
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Speaker 3: of union membership and the strengths of our unions, and

931
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 3: the unions built the middle class. But we also had

932
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Speaker 3: the most progressive taxation rate. That was when the highest

933
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 3: earners were paying a marginalized tax rate of ninety one

934
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Speaker 3: percent and during the Eisenhearer administration and the largest corporations

935
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Speaker 3: where we're paying fifty one percent, and we've eroded that

936
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Speaker 3: we are literally living through a second Gilded Age right

937
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Speaker 3: now in this country. And it has I mean all

938
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Speaker 3: the way back to John Edwards when he talked about

939
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Speaker 3: we're living in two Americas, the haves and the have nots,

940
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Speaker 3: and it was a.

941
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Speaker 1: Bit of had that speech is funny when you think

942
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Speaker 1: about that speech. He gave an four and oh eight

943
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Speaker 1: constantly and being in Iowa and right, you heard it

944
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Speaker 1: a millillion times. We all heard it. You know, we

945
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Speaker 1: live into Americas.

946
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Speaker 2: We are now, we are living in it's more.

947
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Speaker 1: I was just going to say the speech, weirdly is

948
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Speaker 1: more resident now than it was then.

949
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Speaker 3: If you make over one hundred thousand dollars right now,

950
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Speaker 3: I think you're feeling pretty good.

951
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Speaker 1: And especially a little money in the stock market, you're like, hey,

952
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Speaker 1: this is great, my savings is working for me.

953
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Speaker 2: But what if you don't have savings?

954
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Speaker 3: That's right, but you can't have a more disconnected The

955
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 3: disconnect between Wall Street and Main Street can't be more clear,

956
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Speaker 3: And it really is the haves and the have nots

957
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 3: and and there's too many people right now in Iowa

958
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 3: right now that are in the have not section that

959
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 3: are struggling just to keep food on the table and

960
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Speaker 3: pay their bills, and struggling with affordability of healthcare and

961
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,919
Speaker 3: pharmaceuticals and all of it. And this is what we need.

962
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 3: We need a genuine prairie populist. And you know, we

963
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 3: used to have prairie populous We no longer in the

964
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Speaker 3: US have those because we don't have senators from Iowa

965
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Speaker 3: and the Dakotas in Nebraska. And we need somebody that's

966
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:56,720
Speaker 3: going to go out there and fight for the people.

967
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Speaker 1: The issue of climate change is thing that's really important

968
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: to a certain subset. Look do I think it should

969
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: be important to a large subset of hepe, but but

970
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: politically it's important to a smaller subset these days. And

971
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you're getting plenty of advice that says, hey,

972
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Speaker 1: don't you know these issues, these are not these are

973
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Speaker 1: not front and center. And yet I think rising electric bills,

974
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: the data centers that are that are going to be

975
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Speaker 1: going online, that are going to impact our ability to

976
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Speaker 1: that are basically going to a competition for electricity, which

977
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Speaker 1: is inevitably is going to raise rates. Is there is

978
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Speaker 1: there a way to be sort of to to mitigate

979
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Speaker 1: the damage coming from extreme weather and at the same

980
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Speaker 1: time not look like you're coming out against the economy.

981
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Speaker 3: If you get my drift, I think, like with most things,

982
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 3: how I define myself as a common sense I mean, one, yeah,

983
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 3: certainly climate change exists, and it's and it's happening in

984
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 3: where you may see those effects most most directly is

985
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Speaker 3: actually in the Eag commune and where we're seeing.

986
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Speaker 1: Okay, southwest Iowa, the flooding, you know, one hundred year

987
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: floods that come every couple of years.

988
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 3: It's it's it's it's the flooding, it's the extreme heat.

989
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 3: And then when you're seeing these rain showers which which

990
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 3: are just coming down in torrents and knocking down the

991
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:21,439
Speaker 3: road crops. It is affecting us in a very very

992
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 3: serious way. And also Iowa we have always been a

993
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 3: leaders in renewable fuels, renewable energy. We have the second

994
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 3: most amount of our energy grid that is from renewable energy,

995
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 3: the most of the vast majority of that is through wind.

996
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 3: And I think that there's a way where we can

997
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 3: address this without uh without stifling growth or innovation or

998
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 3: or the economy. And certainly one of the best ways

999
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 3: is certainly through that through through wind energy, and continuing

1000
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Speaker 3: those incentives and subsidies through the through the federal government,

1001
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Speaker 3: certainly at the state level.

1002
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 1: Two, being a US senator means you're going to be

1003
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: dabbling more informed policy than the campaign itself will be about.

1004
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: And I imagine if a foreign policy issue comes up,

1005
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: it's going to be the issue of Israel. Where are

1006
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: you on US support for Israel?

1007
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, certainly, I'm hopeful that we're going to

1008
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 3: see a peaceful end too that I think we're all

1009
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 3: hopeful for that. What has happened there in Gaza has

1010
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 3: been horrific. The amount of loss of life into civilians

1011
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 3: and two children, it really has been horrific. I think

1012
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 3: that Israel certainly had the right to defend itself, but

1013
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 3: I think that now the response is certainly, by any metric,

1014
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 3: been disproportionate. And I think that we need to make

1015
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 3: sure that any sort of support or arm cells comes

1016
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Speaker 3: with the insurance that we're adhering to international law.

1017
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Speaker 2: You put a little more a few more guardrails on arm.

1018
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 3: Sales, Yeah, particularly put particularly on offensive weapons.

1019
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: And as you crane our fight, what would you say

1020
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: to somebody, is that our fight? And if it is,

1021
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 1: why is it our fight? In your in your words, I.

1022
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 2: Think it's I think there's certainly a distinction there.

1023
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 3: I think that what's happened is they they have been

1024
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 3: invaded by but an authoritarian regime with with Putin, and

1025
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Speaker 3: I think that that is one of the examples where

1026
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 3: we should probably stand in in in and fight with

1027
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 3: them and uh, because.

1028
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 2: That that is, that is a distinction they have.

1029
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 3: That is a sovereign country that has been invaded by

1030
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Speaker 3: a foreign power, and and that is that is an

1031
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 3: area where we should.

1032
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 1: Support one that might be a little closer to home.

1033
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: College sports, it is gone through dramatic changes.

1034
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 2: Iowa was on the halves.

1035
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: I worry that Iowa state, where my grandparents both got degrees.

1036
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Speaker 1: By the way, are their cyclone alums there They might

1037
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 1: be have nots because they're in one conference and I

1038
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:03,439
Speaker 1: was in a super conference. There's always been this talk

1039
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: that Congress is going to have to get involved.

1040
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 2: Do you think they need to?

1041
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: And as somebody who's you know, look, you know, one

1042
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: side of the state loves their Hawkeyes.

1043
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 2: The other side of state loves their cyclones. But the

1044
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 2: fact is Iowa State is is is.

1045
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: Essentially getting punished because Texas left the Big twelve. Is

1046
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: there a role here for the Senate? And do you

1047
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: think there should be?

1048
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm i'm I'm I'm torn.

1049
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 3: I maybe sports should be separate, But I do know

1050
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 3: the history of the n c a A. You know,

1051
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 3: one of the reasons why that was created was just

1052
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 3: because of with football, we are seeing all all the

1053
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 3: violence in the you know, unfortunate even loss of life

1054
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 3: early on.

1055
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 1: Sure they were trying to wring Teddy Roosevelt. It basically

1056
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: was created you know, by ted in order to.

1057
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 3: Say that that is exactly correct. I mean what we're

1058
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 3: seeing with the the n I L. I mean we

1059
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 3: this this is just turned into the las A fair

1060
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 3: there and there's no regulation, and I think honestly that

1061
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,959
Speaker 3: they missed an opportunity. You know, my brother and sister

1062
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 3: both played professional able body basketball. My sister had a

1063
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 3: brief cup of coffee with the WNBA, and so they

1064
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 3: both were four year starters. My brother at Nebraska, my

1065
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 3: sister at L. Robert University, and they honestly, they struggled

1066
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 3: just to have money just to do their laundry.

1067
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Speaker 2: And we missed an.

1068
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:24,439
Speaker 3: Opportunity there to find some happy medium where we could

1069
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 3: at least take care of our athletes or at least

1070
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 3: that they had some level of control over their name,

1071
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 3: image and likeness. But what we're seeing now, which is

1072
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 3: millions and millions of dollars dumping into this and no

1073
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 3: guardrails and no regulation, it may be a need for

1074
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 3: the Senate or for the government to get involved.

1075
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Speaker 1: Do you get a sense that Iowa State, basically partisans

1076
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Speaker 1: are nervous that you know that suddenly you know, if

1077
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Speaker 1: Io and Iowa State can't play every year because of

1078
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: the financial demands of the Big ten that want them

1079
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: playing in other games like that, that is something that's

1080
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Speaker 1: really good at tick Off Islands.

1081
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just it's it's it's interesting. It's almost I

1082
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 3: feel like our college sports has almost moved into what

1083
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 3: we're seeing with UH, with our country and our economics,

1084
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 3: where we've got a handful we've got a handful of these,

1085
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 3: and with football in particular, it's the SEC and it's

1086
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 3: the Big ten that are the haves and they've got

1087
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 3: all the TV money and those are just going to

1088
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 3: continue to generate more and more fun.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of a monopoly. It's not even a meritocracy.

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Speaker 1: It feels like a monopoly. And that's of course what

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00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: what what we're seeing here with AI and and and

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00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: what we're seeing with the big tech in the moment.

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00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 3: Correct And I mean look again to get back to

1094
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 3: us talking about the second as being in Gilded Age

1095
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 3: at least one hundred years ago. In the first guilded Age, Uh,

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00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 3: we had legislators that stood, that stood up to this

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00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 3: and to the Rockefellers and the Vanderbilts and and the

1098
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 3: JP Morgans, and we we broke up standard oil, and

1099
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,439
Speaker 3: we know, we recognize that these monopolies were no good

1100
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 3: for society to have one percent controlling all the economic wealth.

1101
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 3: And of that Gilded Age, we ended up coming up

1102
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 3: with Franklin Delan and Roosevelt and the New Deal and

1103
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 3: you know, the advent of social security and social safety

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00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 3: nets for individuals. I'm hopeful that this is an opportunity

1105
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 3: here for us in this country, and particularly in this

1106
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 3: upcoming election, for us to make that shift and to

1107
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 3: to to actually have more people that are going to

1108
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 3: be genuine populous. They're going to fight for the middle

1109
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 3: class and fight for economic populism and we can change

1110
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 3: our country.

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00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 2: All right, totally.

1112
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,760
Speaker 1: Easy questions for you know, he's got the best. Who's

1113
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: who's going to be the best college basketball team from

1114
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: Iowa this year? Who's going to go the furthest in

1115
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: the tournament?

1116
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 2: I would probably guess the Hawk guys is that.

1117
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 1: That's yeah, i Awowa State doesn't have as good of

1118
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: a ball.

1119
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 2: Club this year.

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Speaker 3: They may they they may it's.

1121
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Speaker 2: But I'll say who I think is going to go

1122
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 2: furthest in the in the tournament? I think the Hawk guys.

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Speaker 3: However, I'll say this Drake Man, oh Man, They've they've

1124
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 3: had they've had good results with at least making the tournament,

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Speaker 3: which is drink.

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Speaker 2: And you and I.

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00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 1: There's some pretty good supposed mid major teams right now,

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00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: that is right.

1129
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Speaker 3: I mean half the battles just get into the tournament.

1130
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 3: I mean that that has been also interesting too with

1131
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 3: this shift in sports on the on the football you've

1132
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 3: seen more of but have and have not actually on

1133
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 3: the basketball side of things. I think you can make

1134
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,959
Speaker 3: the argument where some of these teams, because you're seeing

1135
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 3: guys that are going in there and they're just staying

1136
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 3: for one year and then they're entering the transfer pooral

1137
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 3: or the better athletes are going off to the NBA.

1138
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 3: I think you can make the argument that some of

1139
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 3: these mid majors that are able to keep their guys

1140
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 3: for three or four or five years, they're able to

1141
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 3: compete in an interesting way against these you know, the

1142
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 3: Havels so.

1143
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: Seniors four years guys that grow up together for four

1144
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: years in the same program. One hundred percent. I'm a

1145
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: which at GW matters. That's that's our plan, that's the

1146
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: GW blueprint. That's how they think we can we can

1147
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: be the next you know, the next Gonzaga, the next

1148
00:57:56,680 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: Wichita State, right r that can pop in there. Let

1149
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: me get you out of here on this. What's uh

1150
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: on the NBA level? Who's your favorite basketball player to watch?

1151
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm I'm a big fan of Jo Kich what

1152
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 3: he's been able to do.

1153
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 1: You like that, you like the the the high IQ player, right.

1154
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 3: I just kind of like unicorns. I just like watching

1155
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 3: anything at the very highest level. I'm a shooter, you know.

1156
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 3: I mean, I think I had said to you, I

1157
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 3: in my collegiate career four thousand career points sixty three

1158
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 3: points in the game.

1159
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 2: Uh so that was always my skill set.

1160
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 3: So watching somebody like Steph Curry that has been able

1161
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 3: to master that that unique skills the.

1162
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Speaker 1: Mayor Fred Hoiberg, right, he was a big shooter back

1163
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: in his day.

1164
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, Yeah, of course.

1165
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 3: But I mean it's like these the viduals that are

1166
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 3: able to do it in a in a very unique

1167
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 3: way at a high level. In Yo Kich, particularly with

1168
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 3: his physical appearance and you know, as he's just kind

1169
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 3: of lumbering down the court, but that level of coordination

1170
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 3: that he that he has, it really is it's it's sensation.

1171
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Speaker 2: I really love watching him.

1172
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 1: It's such a high flying sport. To see him not

1173
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: get an inch off the ground is fantastic. It's my

1174
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: favorite gree I love that.

1175
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 2: Who's your goat for the NBA? Yeah?

1176
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: Who do you put in the goat? Do you have

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Speaker 1: a goat? Do you have a hot take? Goat between

1178
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 1: Jordan Lebron, I got a hot take that involves Magic Johnson.

1179
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: But that's my hot take or you know.

1180
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 3: Well, here I will tell you my goat, but I'll

1181
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 3: tell you my Mount Rushmore, my goat without a doubt

1182
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 3: is Jordan. I mean as a kid watching growing up

1183
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 3: watching him play six championships, six and zero. But I

1184
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 3: also think you can make the argument for someone like

1185
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 3: Bill Russell eleven championships in thirteen years. I don't know

1186
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 3: if we'll ever see anything like that. Wilt Chamberlain. I mean,

1187
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 3: if you just look at the individual stat lines, he

1188
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 3: averaged fifty points in a season, scoring over one hundred.

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Speaker 1: And was one of the greatest volleyball players of all

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Speaker 1: time as well, by the way, without a doubt.

1191
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Speaker 3: I mean, this was a guy that for a season

1192
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,959
Speaker 3: actually averaged more minutes than even an NBA game has average,

1193
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 3: like forty eight point three minutes in the game. Those

1194
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 3: would be those would be the ones that would be

1195
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 3: up there for me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Josh, this was great. Good luck out there.

1197
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Speaker 1: I mean, are you any questions quickly hit me up.

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Speaker 3: What do you think about Iowa? I mean, like you,

1199
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Speaker 3: I mean, you're you're You're as close to this as

1200
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:24,479
Speaker 3: is almost anybody. You're seeing this unique opportunity that we've got,

1201
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 3: you know, first time since nineteen sixty eight, open governor's race,

1202
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 3: open race, two open congressional races. In Trump's first midterm,

1203
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 3: we won three of the four and we've got a

1204
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 3: great candidate with somebody like Rob sand that is similar

1205
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 3: to me in terms of leaning into the middle. What

1206
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 3: do you think about Iowa and us being the center

1207
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 3: of the political universe or this being a fundamental change

1208
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 3: in our electorate.

1209
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 1: Well, I think it is one of those where if

1210
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 1: if the Democrats want to be a national party, and

1211
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: I would argue that they've not been a national party

1212
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 1: since Obama and the and this sort of the got

1213
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 1: taken over by a consultant class that got I've always said,

1214
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 1: you know, analytics was a you know, the analytics revolution

1215
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,479
Speaker 1: that hit politics and sports and all this stuff where

1216
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 1: people let data drive decisions. Sometimes data can be exclusive,

1217
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: meaning it excludes people because it's efficiencies that analytics is

1218
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 1: looking for. Well, we found out the efficiencies of baseball

1219
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: made the game suck and so we had to like

1220
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 1: get a and the efficiencies of politics actually made got

1221
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 1: rid of persuasion. We start the art of persuasion. Iowa

1222
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 1: only works with persuasion, right. It's why the caucuses, I

1223
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 1: think are such a unique thing and why Iowans took it. Seriously,

1224
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, the Democratic Party only views Iowa through an

1225
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: identity issue, and I think that is what offended some islands.

1226
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 1: I really believe that that when the Democratic Party nationally said,

1227
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: you know, I was too white, Well what do you

1228
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 1: think that said to the resident?

1229
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 2: You don't want us in your club? Okay?

1230
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 1: And then you wonder, oh, well, now I was out

1231
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 1: of range. Well you just told eighty percent of the

1232
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: population you didn't want them involved because they were too white.

1233
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: It was a strange, and I know that isn't I

1234
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 1: understood what the DNC was trying to say. But anyway, look,

1235
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 1: I'm I think that if not now, when, right, if

1236
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 1: the Iowa Democrats can't make a comeback in this environment,

1237
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: under these circumstances, with everything that's there, right, if it

1238
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 1: doesn't happen, the party's brand is even in worse shape

1239
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 1: than I thought. I look at Iowa as this test

1240
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 1: if the Democrats are and I most look, I'm a believer.

1241
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 1: I live in history, So everything is cyclical, right, It

1242
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 1: just is. You know, Harkin first got elected in the

1243
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 1: seventy four Watergate class, right, and it was Iowa had

1244
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 1: a very Republican reputation before then. And that's sort of

1245
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 1: when sort of the Iowa Democrats started to to get

1246
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 1: more competitive.

1247
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 2: But it is a if.

1248
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: If there isn't success this time, then it is not

1249
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 1: your fault or Rob's fault, or or the fault of

1250
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: the folks on the ground. It really is the national brand,

1251
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 1: right if you can, if you can rebrand an Iowa

1252
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 1: Democrat is something that isn't associated with the national party.

1253
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 1: I think you have a boxer's chance because if you

1254
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 1: but you have to show up everywhere in the beauty

1255
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 1: of Iowa. Is it's kind of expected, right, the ninety

1256
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 1: nine counties, the fact that everybody that covers not Iowa politics,

1257
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 1: even if you're not from Iowa.

1258
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 2: You know there are ninety nine counties.

1259
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 1: Do you know how many other states people know that

1260
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 1: they're the number of counties are in that state outside

1261
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 1: of people that live.

1262
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 2: In that state. Nowhere right, Iowa has it.

1263
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 1: And so I do think, you know, for whatever reason,

1264
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 1: you just had a and I think if you look

1265
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 1: at the leadership of the Democratic Party, it's too coastal.

1266
01:03:57,560 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 2: Right.

1267
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 1: It wasn't that long ago that the Democratic Party was

1268
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 1: first that had a Senate Democratic leader from South Dakota,

1269
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:06,919
Speaker 1: and then it was replaced by a Senate Democratic leader

1270
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: who was born and raised in rural Nevada. Like, literally

1271
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 1: the towns are outside of Vegas. There are five of

1272
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 1: them that exist, right, I'm being a little facetious, So

1273
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 1: you know, this is one of those things where literally

1274
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party left Iowa. Iowa didn't leave the Democratic Party.

1275
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: And we'll find out if Iowans are open to this

1276
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 1: version of the party. But I look at it, I

1277
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 1: think what's happened with the schools and the funding cuts.

1278
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:36,919
Speaker 2: I hear it from a lot of.

1279
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 1: My friends in rural Iowa about how you know, even

1280
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 1: if culturally they were supportive of the idea of private

1281
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: schools and there was the skepticism of the public schools,

1282
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 1: the way this is work doesn't work for people, right. Ultimately,

1283
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 1: people want their local school to work and they want

1284
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 1: to have a say over their local school, right, they

1285
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 1: want both things. So look, I mean, I'm I'm biased.

1286
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 1: I've spent a lot of time in Iowa. My my

1287
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 1: wife worked in Iowa. We've you know, we both care

1288
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 1: about the state a lot. Like I said, I've got

1289
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 1: more family buried in Iowa than any of the state

1290
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 1: in the Union. So I've always taken pride on what

1291
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: sort of a bipartisan state. It's always has been, and

1292
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 1: it was always a point of pride. My father's was

1293
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 1: a big conservative, grew up in Waterloo. It was a

1294
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 1: point of pride that Iowa was this swing state. That's right,

1295
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 1: because Iowan's worry about the person at the party, and

1296
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 1: there was always that there was a bit of a

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Speaker 1: there was always pride in that the independent streak of Iowa.

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Speaker 1: So look, I'm a I'm bullish in theory, but you

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Speaker 1: got to have good candidates.

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Speaker 2: Without a doubt.

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Speaker 3: This is one of the things that I've learned representing,

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Speaker 3: you know, such a red district, is this comes down

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Speaker 3: to right candidate, right message, and that message is genuine

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Speaker 3: economic ti mat Yeah, and in the right work ethic,

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Speaker 3: I think you can win.

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Speaker 2: And we do.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we're basically dead last by every single economic

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Speaker 3: and health care and as you said, this is a

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Speaker 3: huge opportunity. But it's a lot of responsibility we get

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Speaker 3: this right because if we cannot win in this environment,

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Speaker 3: then this state may be gone for a generation.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, because.

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Speaker 1: If Republicans can win in this environment, then then they're

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Speaker 1: going to govern for quite some time. I Mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you've spent much time with Mike Frankin

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Speaker 1: in the race he ran. You know, he was just

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Speaker 1: totally I mean, you want to talk about identity politics,

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Speaker 1: just eliminating him from consideration by the national Party. And

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Speaker 1: it turned out he was the stronger candidate because he

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Speaker 1: won the primary despite the National Party supporting somebody else.

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Speaker 1: So what I would say is be careful when that

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Speaker 1: when you think the national parties on your side, they

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Speaker 1: don't always make the smartest decisions.

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Speaker 2: That's fair.

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Speaker 3: In the other thing that you said that one hundred

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Speaker 3: percent agree with is that we've got to make our

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Speaker 3: own identity of what is an Iowa Democrat. I think

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Speaker 3: that one of the one of the advantages that like

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Speaker 3: a state above us in Minnesota has had is they've

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Speaker 3: been able to make the distinction with we are the

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Speaker 3: arm and Labor party. And I think that if we

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Speaker 3: had that ability to say we are the party of

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Speaker 3: the American class, that.

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Speaker 1: John who says you have to keep the name Iowa Democrats,

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Speaker 1: who says you can't become the Iowa Democratic Farm Labor

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Speaker 1: I mean, I you know, I've had a few people

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Speaker 1: ask me this and I'm like, yeah, I you know,

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Speaker 1: rebrand if the part if the Democrats are going to

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Speaker 1: be a coalition party and most look, we're we're a

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Speaker 1: country two parties. Nobody goes to the store and only

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Speaker 1: takes and there's only two choices of t shirt sizes,

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Speaker 1: extra small and extra large. Right, Like the idea that

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Speaker 1: we try to squeeze everybody into two parties is absurd.

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Speaker 1: We probably should be a four or a four party system.

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Speaker 1: I think it would frankly sort of ease the ease

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Speaker 1: some of the tension inside both parties. You know where

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Speaker 1: you have these giant where the tent is so big

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Speaker 1: it rips a hole in the middle, right, And that's

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Speaker 1: kind of what I think has happened to the Democrats.

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Speaker 2: You've got these.

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Speaker 1: Pro democracy Extrapublicans on one side, and you've got the

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Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders Democratic social on the other. And they only

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Speaker 1: agree on one thing, Trump is bad for democracy.

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Speaker 2: Other than that, they've got nothing else in common. That's

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Speaker 2: a tough.

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Speaker 1: Coalition to win with on bread and butter issues. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know why other state parties haven't actually followed

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Speaker 1: the lead of Minnesota. Now, Minnesota, there used to be

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Speaker 1: separate parties. There was a Democratic Party, and there was

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Speaker 1: a farm Labor Party and then they merged. That's sort

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Speaker 1: of the history of that. But I've been surprised, Like,

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Speaker 1: if I were an Idaho Democrat, I just rebranded the

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Speaker 1: party the Idaho Freedom Party or something, you know, where

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Speaker 1: you know, sometimes words you know are words you don't

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Speaker 1: use anymore in certain locations. Okay, move on, your ideas

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Speaker 1: can still work.

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Speaker 3: It is interesting though, because we were I think we're

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Speaker 3: seeing a schism actually on both parties. I mean, the Democrats,

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Speaker 3: as you indicated, are but you also see this amongst

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Speaker 3: classical conservatives and also what is a maga Republican and.

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Speaker 1: So divide, you know, Josh, that divide existed before. It

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Speaker 1: just was so dormant during the Cold War. The isolationist wing,

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Speaker 1: you know, which was borderline xenophobic back in the nineteen thirties,

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Speaker 1: and they were like, hey, we're not going to get

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Speaker 1: involved in other people's wars. And they were the ones

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Speaker 1: that held the Americans back from participating in World War

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Speaker 1: Two until it came to our shores. Right, we wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have gotten involved until it hit us because that Republican

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Speaker 1: Party was more trumpy in the FDR era than Eisenhower.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: And then the Eisenhower to Romney, run of Republicans. They

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Speaker 1: were all sort of internationalists, and yet they're the Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're dead.

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Speaker 2: They're just in hibernation at that wing of the party.

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Speaker 2: I enjoyed this.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for good to get to know you.