1 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff Mom Never Told You from housetop works 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Kristen 3 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: and I'm Caroline, and today we're talking about boobs in motion, boobs, 4 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: sweating boobs, bouncing boobs, exercising, moops on the move, Boobs 5 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: on the move and on the move they are. Because 6 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: we're gonna get I don't want to. I'm not gonna 7 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: spoil it, but there is a factual tidbit in this 8 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:43,480 Speaker 1: episode that involves the car and it's blowing my mind 9 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: and I can't wait to blow y'all's minds too, Because 10 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: boobs when you move, they move even faster. Breasts are incredible. 11 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go ahead and say they're incredible. But 12 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: they can also make exercising incredibly challenging, oh for sure. 13 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: And this episode was inspired by research that I just 14 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 1: stumbled across of how there are now two and only 15 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: two studies looking at how breasts and our breast size 16 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: influence women and girls likelihood to exercise. Yeah, well, I 17 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: it's funny that we had like boob research kids met 18 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: I think because just further proving that you and I 19 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: are somehow connected at the brain stem because around the 20 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: same time that you were stumbling across this research, I 21 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: was separately having a conversation with someone else about how 22 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: lady golfers frequently have to change their stance or have 23 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: a different stance than mail golfers because of their breaths 24 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: getting in the way of their swing. Yeah. There was 25 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: this golf commentator who was quoted in one of the 26 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: pieces I was reading from where deering an lp G 27 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: a event. He said on television, Yeah, women's boobs just 28 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 1: get in the way, just like straight up set it. 29 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: And they had entirely wrong. I know. The thing is 30 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: like cringe reading that, but then at the same time 31 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: it's like, well, I mean you do have a point. 32 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: And the thing is it is time we pay a 33 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: lot more attention to our breasts, whether we are exercising casually, 34 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: just for health and fitness, all the way up to 35 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: professional sports like um, a professional golfer. And by pay 36 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: attention to I don't mean, of course, just aggling breasts, 37 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 1: because that is one deterrent of people not wanting to exercise. Yeah, 38 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: that's already we've got that covered. Yeah, the oggling of boobs, 39 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: it's already. We're good. Yeah, we're good. We're good on 40 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: that end, but it's time for us to pay closer 41 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: attention to figuring out how to vault over exercises. Boo 42 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: barrier because there's a there's a breast barrier there. And 43 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 1: as a small chested woman, I think this is why 44 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: the research was so surprising to me. Not that I 45 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: couldn't imagine how that was a barrier, but it's just 46 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: something that I don't have to think about all that much. 47 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: I I jog, and I can wear a compression sports 48 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: bra and I'm good, Um, but not the case for 49 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: women who have more than my A cups. Yeah, boob 50 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: bounce is one of the more painful things that I 51 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: have felt. Um. And I don't think you have to 52 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: be like a double h to feel that way. I mean, 53 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: I think boobs of any size bouncing hurts. Um. It's uncomfortable. Um. Literally, 54 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: if I see a woman jogging down the side of 55 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: the road and there's a lot of boob bounceage, my 56 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: first thought is like, oh God, the pain. The pain. 57 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: I can like feel it. It's like telegraphed onto my body. 58 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: I can feel it. Yeah, And if I if I'm 59 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: not wearing a bra and I'm running around, which you 60 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: know what it happens sometimes people, Um, yeah, actually you're 61 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: just running in a circle in your apartment pretty much. 62 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: That's how I get my feminist rage out. I'd throw 63 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: my bra off and just running circles. Um. But yeah, 64 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 1: I mean my even even my very small breaths will 65 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: experience that kind of pain too. I mean, boom, boom, 66 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: bounce pain. I think is pretty universal. I mean, if 67 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: there's one thing we do not need as women and girls, 68 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: it is another barrier to exercise and too physical activity. 69 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: Because there's some pretty disheartening stats out there. For instance, 70 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: by the age of fourteen, girls are dropping out of 71 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: sports at twice the rate that boys are and a 72 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: lot of times the explanation for that, they go to 73 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 1: explanations are, oh, well, girls become a lot more self 74 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: conscious with puberty. Um, they are not as interested in 75 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: becoming like fit and potentially muscular, but they're more concerned 76 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: about like beauty appearance. And and that might be the case, 77 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: but looking at the study we're about too, I think 78 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: there's there's more boob to it than that. And outside 79 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: of organized sports, according to statistics from the Centers for 80 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: Disease Control, and prevention. Less than of high school girls 81 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: are getting the recommended amount of daily physical activity, and 82 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: even that is half of what boys are getting. So 83 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: like across the board, boys are exercising more. Yeah, and 84 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: this is not only bad for just general health and 85 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 1: establishing healthy, happy habits when you're a young person, but 86 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: it also stinks because exercise is good for our breast 87 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: health as well. It's not just making sure that you're 88 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: a healthy weight and that you're fighting anxiety and depression 89 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: with some good old physical activity, but your boobs could 90 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: benefit from some moving around as well. And that's according 91 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: to the Cleveland Clinic UM, women who get plenty of 92 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: exercise are twenty five percent less likely to develop breast cancer. 93 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 1: Because good solid exercise, getting your daily recommended exercise can 94 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: boost your immune function, it can ward off obesity, and 95 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: it can lower levels of both estrogen and insulin, and 96 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: not to mention, it strengthens our bones and our hearts, 97 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 1: which is very important for our holistic health as well, 98 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 1: since women suffer far more from osteoporosis and heart disease 99 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: is the number one killer of women. Right And so 100 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 1: while exercise can help your mental health, your obviously your 101 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: physical health. It can help improve body image when you 102 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: feel stronger and more empowered. Your body image and your 103 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: confidence can suffer if you feel like you can't exercise 104 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: well or enough because your boobs are bouncing too much. 105 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: And I mean that sounds silly, but like like we said, 106 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: boot bounce can be painful, and more than being painful, 107 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: it can also just draw unwanted attention, especially if you're 108 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: one of is younger girls who's already a little bit 109 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: self conscious. Well yeah, I mean, and and girls in 110 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: general are developing larger breasts earlier and at higher rates 111 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: than they used to be. So this is something I mean, 112 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: as soon as you become aware of you're developing body 113 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: and how our developing body, particularly are breasts are so 114 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: immediately sexualized that become that can become a source of shame. 115 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: And if we look though, just at the biomechanics of breasts, 116 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: it's incredible. This is what I mean when I say 117 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: that breasts are incredible. And Caroline, please share your car fact. 118 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: This is my favorite little tidbits. So you know, Kristen 119 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: did mention that boobs and their movement and how they 120 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: move has not been studied overly much yet. But one 121 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: more recent study found that nipple on a seat or 122 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: decup breast, when you as a person are moving, they 123 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: can accelerate up to forty five miles per hour in 124 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: one second, which, my friends, is faster than a Ferrari. Yeah, 125 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: that's my favorite boob related car fact or car related 126 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: boob fact. It's like a mashup of stuff mom never 127 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: told you, and our our family podcasts car stuff um 128 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: never before seen together. Um. In an hour of moderate jogging. 129 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: As Amanda has noted over in ESPN magazine a couple 130 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: of years ago, our breast will bounce several thousand times. 131 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: And if you have large breasts, even if you have 132 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: small breast in there, it's supported. Well. Obviously that can 133 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: be painful because when we think of breast bouncing, we 134 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: think of them just going up and down. In fact, 135 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: they move in a figure eight motion, and large breast 136 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: can oscillate up to eight inches. And this is why, 137 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: like this is an extreme example, but this is also 138 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 1: why its like, very large breast in motion can potentially 139 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: even break your clavical because they know that they moved 140 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: with that much force. That sounds terrible, but it makes 141 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: sense because before this podcast, I was talking to Holly 142 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: from History Stuff, and she was talking about the very 143 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: real divergence that happens when you are growing up and 144 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: developing breasts of whatever size between the girls who go 145 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: on to pursue ballet and the girls who for instance, 146 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: go on to pursue like hip hop dance or modern dance. Um. 147 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: And she then she of course made a joke because 148 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: she's also a runner, made a joke about as she 149 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: was developing her boobs popping up and hitting her in 150 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: the face. Well, and I'm I'm assuming that you know, 151 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: ballet is obviously associated with smaller breasts. That's probably why 152 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: I did ballet for quite a while into high school. 153 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: But then she also Holly also brought up an interesting 154 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: point which uh I had not thought about before researching 155 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: for this episode, that she was so thrilled when she 156 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: was in college and sports bras finally came out in 157 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: full force on the market, because I just think of 158 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: sports bras is like, sure, they've always existed, the way 159 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: of the bras have existed for a long time. No, 160 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: like having good support bra wise, and like knowing enough 161 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: about your boobs and about sports bras to support them correctly, 162 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: Like that's kind of a new thing. Oh, it's still developing. 163 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: Sports pra technology has not caught up to the biomechanics 164 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: of our boobs and their figure eight patterns. Um and 165 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: I realized as we were researching for this episode that 166 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: we should do a whole separate one on the history 167 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: of the sports bra because it begins with a couple 168 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,719 Speaker 1: of ladies getting fed up and actually like trying to 169 00:10:53,960 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: jock straps together. Interesting. I hope they were clean, because 170 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, jock straps are essentially like men's 171 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: sports bras, like testicular sports bras, right, the sports bro 172 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: So if we look though at this issue of developing 173 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 1: breasts and girls exercise and sports participation, the fact of 174 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 1: the matter is we need better broad occasion. And I 175 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: would also argue, and I'll get into this a little 176 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: bit more, I would also argue that girls in public 177 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: schools or in low income areas need more affordable, well 178 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:42,599 Speaker 1: made sports bras if we want to close that competitive 179 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,959 Speaker 1: sports gap, you know, with a drop off after they 180 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: turned fourteen at twice the rate of boys. Sports bras 181 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: are a big factor. They're so expensive. They're still expensive, 182 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: similar to you know, the whole tampon free tampon text initiative, 183 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: and how now in New York public schools, I believe 184 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: they're going to be provided for free, which is fantastic. Um. 185 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: And this is all sparked by a very recent study 186 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: and the only study of its kind, which came out 187 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: in February in the Journal of Adolescent Health. The studies 188 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,559 Speaker 1: titled the Influence of the Breast on Sport and Exercise 189 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: Participation in school Girls in the UK and in terms 190 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: of pain up women and girls experience exercise related breast 191 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: discomfort no surprise, I am no stranger to that. But 192 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: when they were talking to girls about their breasts and 193 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: how their breasts influenced their exercise or sports participation, seventy 194 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: three percent of them cited at least one breast related concern, 195 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 1: and the number one was embarrassment over bounced. Oh yeah, okay, 196 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: are you ready for a sad Cara story? Because yeah, 197 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: also again, because this is something I mean. I had 198 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: zero boobs when I was like fourteen years old. Yeah, 199 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,719 Speaker 1: so I was a little bit chubby when I was 200 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 1: growing up and as I was entering my pre pubescent 201 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 1: phase and I was sprouting the first hint of breastnesses. Um. 202 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: I was getting a little bounce and it was uncomfortable. 203 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: Suddenly pe was painful. It was painful to go to 204 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: the gym and do my my lap around the track 205 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: like I was supposed to. And so I I went 206 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: home and I asked my mom and I can't remember, 207 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: this wasn't like fourth grade, fifth grade, and I asked 208 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: to get a sports bra. And I mean, I was 209 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: kind of excited by the idea, but also kind of 210 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: the opposite of exciting, because it's like, oh yeah, yah bra, 211 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: but also like, oh crap, I'm growing up in a 212 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 1: bra um. And so you know, she was more than 213 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,040 Speaker 1: willing to take me shopping. And I went and I 214 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: got a bunch of very basic white sports bras um 215 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: and I wore it to school because we had p 216 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 1: every day. And I remember so distinctly getting like stars 217 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: because you know, if you're wearing a white shirt, you 218 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: can see that you're wearing a white bra underneath a 219 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: white shirt. And I distinctly remember the popular girl walking 220 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: by me and being like, are you wearing a bra? 221 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: And I was just like yeah, And I mean she 222 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: couldn't say anything after that. She bra shamed you, she 223 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: bra shamed me all because I was just developing differently. 224 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: And I even remember so fast forward too, about seventh grade. 225 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: I'm in science class. My teacher is this amazing guys, 226 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: like so funny. He's everybody's favorite teacher. I think this 227 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: might have been eighth grade. And he starts like making this. 228 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: He starts telling this story where he is talking about 229 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: his own high school career or whatever in middle school 230 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: career and talking about this girl who developed early and 231 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: had to wear a bra, and he was making fun 232 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: of her. And I remember turning bright red because I 233 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: was one of the if not the earliest, to wear 234 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: a bra in my class, simply because I just didn't 235 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: want to have the bounce pain when I ran laps 236 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: in the gym. I am shaking my head at that teacher. 237 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: Why know, I'm I'm shaking my head at both of them, 238 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: because clearly there had not been enough education on that 239 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: popular girl's part to understand that people developed differently and 240 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: that if you have more tissue or fat on your 241 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: chest than someone else, the bounce is going to hurt. 242 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: And on the teacher's part, like, what are you even thinking? 243 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: You're talking to a co ed classroom full of girls 244 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: who are now presumably at this age all wearing bras 245 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: or most of them, So like, what what is this? 246 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: What is the making fun of in the shaming purpose? Yeah, 247 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: also just inappropriate on a bazillion levels. For a should 248 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: we be talking about that? And I wonder with this 249 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: study and the embarrassment that cited, whether it's more just 250 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: sort of an internalized thing of when your breasts are moving, 251 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: you just it makes your body feel really obvious. And 252 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: when you are fourteen years old, at least in my recollection, 253 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: the last thing you want to do is be super obvious. 254 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: So whether it's something more personal like that, or if 255 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: it's the experience of having their breasts being ogled by 256 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: boys and let's face it also men um because this 257 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: reminds me. Your school stories remind me of high school 258 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: when in ninth and tenth grade, our class would go 259 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: on a retreat at the beginning of the school year 260 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: and we would go swimming. And there was a girl 261 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: in my grade who was very petite and she had 262 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: very large breasts, and I remember when she went swimming, 263 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 1: she wore a T shirt and everyone was like, why 264 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: is she wearing a T shirt? And they're like, oh, 265 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 1: because she's got those big boobs. And then when she 266 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: finally like braved taking off her shirt because she was 267 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: so tired of people giving her a hard time for 268 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 1: wearing a shirt, the guys lost it, you know, and 269 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: and and even the girls were like, oh my god, 270 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: you see her boobs is so big because she's like 271 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 1: doing something to you on purpose. Yeah, yeah, I mean 272 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 1: there's so much. I mean, And this is what I 273 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 1: mean by the broad occasion like we have really, I mean, 274 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: we stigmatized girls breasts a lot, so it's no surprise 275 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: that that embarrassment factor is the number one. And it's 276 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: not just yeah, not just inflicted by you know, people 277 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 1: in public, you know, attention, unwanted attention from boys. But 278 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: also the number two reason for embarrassment that the girls 279 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: sided in the study was having to change in front 280 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: of other girls. And I remember this too when I 281 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: was taking ballet. Speaking of ballet boobs a few minutes ago. Um, 282 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: you know, we all changed together and you quickly had 283 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: to get like comfortable, um getting naked in front of girls. 284 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: And uh, for me, it wasn't too embarrassing because in 285 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: ballet you were like expected to be flat chested. But 286 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: if it hadn't been like these these girls who I 287 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: was also like very close friends with. There were maybe 288 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: like six of us. You know, it's a safe space 289 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: to have to get naked, but in the locker room, 290 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: oh no, I would I would have been embarrassed too. 291 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: You know, if you're already feeling awkward in your body 292 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: and maybe you are developing faster than other girls, no good. 293 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: So the final piece so of broad uccation is that 294 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: the number three concerned they cided was the girls said 295 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: that their boobs were simply too big to exercise, that 296 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 1: it wouldn't be healthy. And that's, you know, a common 297 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,479 Speaker 1: fallacy that we think where it's like, yeah, I mean 298 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:07,959 Speaker 1: if I run around, that's gonna be it hurts, Therefore 299 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: it must be bad for my breast. But in fact 300 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: the problem is that we don't have supportive enough and 301 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 1: accessible enough sports bras because a lot of them also 302 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: weren't wearing sports bras at all. Yeah, meanwhile, I was 303 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 1: wearing like the same type of sports bra. I don't 304 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: know when I first got a real quote unquote bra, 305 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: because I mean, dude, like those sports bras, like for 306 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: when you're like kind of pre booby, you're not totally booby. 307 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: Yet the breast buds, which I know that's the correct 308 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: anatomical term, but it squicks me out. It squaks me 309 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: out too. I don't like that either. Um. But in 310 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:48,719 Speaker 1: this study too, they found that of girls between eleven 311 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: and eighteen said that their boobs did influence their sports participation. 312 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 1: And that was true for sixty of larger breasted girls 313 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: compared to of girls with smaller breasts. So obviously more 314 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 1: common for larger breastly girls too, but not uncommon for 315 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: girls with smaller breath exactly. That's what I was about 316 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: to say. I mean, this is like an issue across 317 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: the board. And like I said, not many were even 318 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: wearing a sports brat. Only ten percent were sports brought 319 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: every time they exercise. And I wonder, this is something 320 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: that didn't come up in anything that we read. And 321 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: I was like, well, kind of shaking my hands at 322 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 1: my computer, because hello, like bras are expensive. I mean 323 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: I grew up in a family without much money, and 324 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: I remember that, like I got my first like set 325 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: of bras and those were like the bras that I 326 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: was gonna have to use. And yeah, I had a 327 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: sports bra, but it was like a Kmart sports brat 328 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: and thank god I didn't have larger breast, because of 329 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: course it would not have been able to support me well. 330 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: And there's also the embarrassment factor to thank god I 331 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: had a mother who was like super ready at any 332 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: point to take me shopping for whatever I needed, because 333 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: I'm sure, I'm sure like her as a grand woman 334 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: was like, you don't need a sports bra, but she 335 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: was willing to be supportive as supportive as that sports 336 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: bra um. But I'm sure that there are people with other, 337 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 1: you know, different family situations where it would be horrifically 338 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: embarrassing to have to ask your parents or your guardian 339 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: or whoever to take your sports bras shop in single 340 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: dad um. And in the study again, for girls who 341 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: exercised the most, they worried the most about how sports 342 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 1: bras fit and also how their breasts looked while exercising. 343 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: So we are pretty much immediately like kind of scrutinizing 344 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: and feeling nervous about the appearance of our breasts almost 345 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: as as soon as we get them, and hammering home 346 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: again my broad juccation platform of those girls wanted to 347 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: just know more about breast in general. They hadn't been 348 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 1: taught that much. And I have a feeling that kind 349 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: of like the sex ed talk at home, you probably 350 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: don't get a lot much breast education at home because 351 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 1: it's one of those things where it's like, oh, we don't, 352 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 1: we don't need to, you know, fast forward your development 353 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: too much, or it's like you know, oh you're getting 354 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: them good, yeah, good, yeah, all right. Well, and there's 355 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: a lot that adult, grown up women don't know about 356 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: their own breasts. Have I ever been professionally fitted for 357 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: a bra? No? I haven't. I'm sure I'm wearing the 358 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 1: wrong size bra. I have side note. Okay, you know 359 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: how like sometimes on the podcast we'll talk about a 360 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: health issue and we're like, maybe get a second opinion. 361 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: Don't be afraid to get a second bra opinion as well. 362 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 1: So I took a friend's advice and went to a 363 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: particular department store. This is for regular bras, not sports bras. 364 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 1: That will remain nameless, and it will remain nameless because 365 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 1: it was a horrific experience. The women were nice enough, 366 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: I mean, they were fine, but they were essentially telling 367 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 1: me and and based on my experience as a person 368 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: with breasts who identifies as a woman and is alive. Um. 369 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 1: I've worn bras for a long time, and I know 370 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: what fits and feels good, and I know enough to 371 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 1: know that you shouldn't wear a bra that is so 372 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: tight that it feels like it's cutting off your blood flow. Um. 373 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: And these women at this department store were essentially telling 374 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: me that that's what I needed to do. I needed 375 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: to wear a bra that was so tight that it 376 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 1: was going to then stretch out and then it would fit. 377 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: And I was like, I that's not a thing, but 378 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: I am now naked in this dressing room with you, 379 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 1: so I can't tell you that you're full of it. Um. 380 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: So they basically said that I needed to wear a 381 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: bra that was significantly smaller than the size that I 382 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: was wearing comfortably on a normal basis, smaller cup size 383 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: or smaller, much smaller band sizes, and much bigger cup size. 384 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, well this is I'm just 385 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: going to this isn't right. I won't walk you through 386 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 1: my entire mental process, but I was like, this is 387 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: this is so wrong? Um. And then I went to 388 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 1: another store and was fitted by a nice, elderly woman 389 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: who essentially told me that you're exactly right. The size 390 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: that you're firing. But it's still good to go through 391 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: that process of getting sized and fitted by someone who 392 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: has been trained, knows what she's doing, and don't be 393 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: afraid to get a second bra opinion. Well, and even 394 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: just basics about our breast health and how our breasts work, 395 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:23,199 Speaker 1: and concerns about how our breasts look, whether it's you know, 396 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: being shy, belt ariola size or random mole or hair, 397 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: you know, all of these things that we have just 398 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: sanitized from girls educations, um because you know, of the 399 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: girls in that study too wanted to know specifically about 400 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: you know, breasts in sports bras as it applies to 401 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 1: to exercise and women could also use some more support 402 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: as well. And again this is something that's been really understudy. 403 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: There's only there only you know a couple of studies 404 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: looking at this. Uh. One the most recent ones was 405 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: in two thousand twelve in the British Journal of Sports Medicine, 406 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: which studied London Marathon competitors. And you might think, huh, well, 407 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: that's a pretty uniform you know, sample population there, but 408 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 1: in fact that encompass a range of shapes and sizes, 409 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: including fifty six different bra sizes from double as to 410 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: double h is and band sizes from twenty to so 411 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 1: the methodology is sound, and they found that more than 412 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: a third of those women reported breast soreness. But the 413 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: correlation between breast soreness and exercise is not so clear cut, 414 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: because hello, you know what makes our breaststore our menstrual cycles, 415 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 1: and that is something I can attest to. Yeah, So, 416 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 1: like before I had an IU D, I never got 417 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: breast soreness. Ever, I really never had PMS before I 418 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: had an I U D. And uh, suddenly I'm you know, 419 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: like a thirty two year old woman breaking out and 420 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 1: crampy and also like wanting to murder other drivers on 421 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: the road. And my boobs hurt. And it's crazy because 422 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: my boobs get so big right before my period and 423 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: they hurt and I'm like, oh, it's coming because period 424 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: related breast soreness. The struggle is real. The struggle is real. 425 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 1: And I've had days when they're just like so sore 426 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 1: that Yeah, I'm like, Okay, it's gonna be a yoga day. 427 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: We are not going to go jogging. What I'm referring 428 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 1: to myself in the Royal we I don't know. Um, well, no, you, 429 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: You're encompassing all three of you. Oh yes, me and 430 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 1: uh Lucinda and Lucille. While I was trying to think of, 431 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: you know, some rad ladies maybe like me and Glorious 432 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: Steinem and Flow Kennedy. It's my my little triumvirate um. 433 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: And that London Marathon study though, found that in fact, 434 00:26:55,600 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 1: my breastoorness is real. Even a cups get sore of 435 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: a cup. Women in the study reported soreness and having 436 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: a baby can influence this because, as we talked about 437 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,439 Speaker 1: in our last episode on the science of saggy breasts, 438 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: pregnancy structurally like changes our boobs. Yeah, hormones don't discriminate. 439 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what size you're boobiz. Your hormone is 440 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: probably gonna make it hurt. You know what, your singular hormone. 441 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: I don't know why. One hormone. But so the results 442 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: of all of this pain, this discomfort, the self uh consciousness, Well, 443 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,120 Speaker 1: you've got a lot of women in this study who 444 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: ended up training less intensely or skipping training altogether. And 445 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 1: we're gonna get to this in just a little bit. 446 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: But do not be disheartened, because there is a surprisingly 447 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: effective remedy for a lot of that pain, and that's 448 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: called a well fitting sports bra. Yeah, but more on 449 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: that and just a little bit, because there was a 450 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:07,959 Speaker 1: more recent study from April that, like the British study 451 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 1: which was actually I think inspired by this study UM 452 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: looked at the correlations between women's breast size and exercise 453 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 1: participation and it found that seventeen percent of women avoid 454 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: exercise for boob related reasons, specifically lack of a comfortable 455 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: support of sports bra. And here we go again. Bounce embarrassment, Yes, 456 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: excessive bounce. Yeah, well, I know because people are already 457 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,439 Speaker 1: staring at boobs all the time, and if they are 458 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: then boobs in motion, people are going to be like, 459 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: even if it's not literally to argle you in a 460 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: sexual way, if it's just like, oh, look at those 461 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: boobs bouncing, you know, you get tired of drawing attention 462 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: to your boobs. And listen, not to get two t 463 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:53,959 Speaker 1: M I about it, but we've already talked a lot 464 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: about our own breast. I'll go ahead and not another 465 00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 1: fact about my boobs and exercise. Obviously, the excess some 466 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: bouncing thing not so much an issue for me, but 467 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: one reason why I am hesitant to go jogging, especially 468 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: on a busy thoroughfare, and just a sports bra without 469 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: a shorter tank top over. It is because of nipples. 470 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: The old if like if nibbles are visible like at all, 471 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: you know, the if the old headlights turn on, because 472 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: that just happens. Um, you will get looks. And I mean, 473 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: of course, it's just like a thing, you know. I'm 474 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: sure people's eyes are just kind of naturally drawn to it. 475 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: But I have felt so self conscious before jogging realizing, 476 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: you know, in just a sports bra, and then initially 477 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: being like, yes, I'm running in just a sports braun 478 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 1: embracing my body, no big deal. Oh god, my nibbles 479 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: are really on on parade. Um. Well, I mean that's 480 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: I The sports bra that I had, like my main 481 00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: sports bra, uh, squeezes the life out of me. And 482 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: part of that is that it flattens now like flattens 483 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: my boobs to my chest so much, but it also 484 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: flattens in camouflagees the nips as well. Well. I'm gonna 485 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: have a couple of follow up questions for you about 486 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: that when we get to our sports bra uh section, 487 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: because the whole flattening thing, um is pertinent, pert like 488 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: like pert Yes, breast like breast pertin into your party 489 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: pert breasts. But in that a study on exercise and 490 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: women's breast size, one major factor that correlated to higher 491 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: exercise rates was not smaller breasts, but rather higher rates 492 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: of breast health knowledge, yes, be empowered educated, broad occation 493 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: of knowing about sports bra fits, knowing what should feel okay, 494 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: and knowing that if we experience pain or soreness, it 495 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: is not necessarily because exercise is bad for our boobs. 496 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: But one thing that didn't come up in either of 497 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: these studies we've talked about that came to mind as 498 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: I was reading this was what about boob sweat? Because 499 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: maybe there's an embarrassment factor around that. Although honestly, when 500 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: I sweat a lot during um, when I'm exercising, I'm 501 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: kind of proud of like all my all my sweat 502 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: a little bit um, But if you have larger breasts, 503 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: boob sweat can be also a source of discomfort. Well yeah, 504 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: because not only is there again the risk of being 505 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: augle because like you've got a sweaty chest, or possible 506 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: discomfort because it's slipping and sliding down there, but also 507 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: like for bigger chests, bigger breasts, you can potentially develop 508 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: like a skin condition if you don't dry off, if 509 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: you don't have a sports brawl or a shirt that 510 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: has wicking properties to get all of that moisture away 511 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: from your skin. Yeah, breathability is an important thing to 512 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: look for in sports bras because that under boob sweat, 513 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: which apparently some people call swoob, can lead to chafing, 514 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: possible rashes, and even yeast infections if that moisture hangs 515 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: around long enough. And I became aware of this a 516 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: couple of years ago when um, a breast antiperspirant came 517 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: out on the market and immediately sites like Jezebel jumped 518 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: on it. And we're like, oh, here we go again, 519 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: just pathologizing something else. We really need antiperspirant for our 520 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: boobs now, this is ridiculous. Um. Although I will say 521 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 1: the brand name bust dust is fantastic. Baby powder can 522 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: also work. And finally, some larger breasted feminists on the 523 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 1: internet said, hey, excuse um, I see what you mean there, 524 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: But for larger breasted women this is thing. Yeah, I mean, 525 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: better to wear boob deodorant or boob powder than having 526 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: to go to the dermatologist and getting an antifungal topical cream. 527 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: You know, I mean, thank god that exists, But wouldn't 528 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: you rather just wear boot powder than having to go 529 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: go to the dermatologist because you have a boob yeast infection? Yeah, 530 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: I mean, and all in that short sightedness to me, 531 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: yet again goes around to our lack of brod ducation. 532 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: I'm going to keep saying it should just trade market. 533 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: I think, so kind of like c literacy, you need 534 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: some broad juccation. But what happens when boobs go pro 535 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: We're going to talk about that when we come right 536 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:44,719 Speaker 1: back from a quick break and now back to the show. So, 537 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: like you said at the top of the podcast, Caroline, 538 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: with your example of women's golfing, breasts can literally get 539 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: in the way of competitive sports. Well yeah, and I 540 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: mean if just look at methodology, if you talk about 541 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: the Amazon's, according to Amazon myth, they just totally lopped 542 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: off a whole boob so that they could be more 543 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,879 Speaker 1: effective with their archery. And there are a lot of 544 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 1: professional or elite athletes who have undergone breast reductions in 545 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: an attempt to improve their athletic performance. Although we should 546 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: note that there is no study corroborating that that UM 547 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:30,359 Speaker 1: will reliably improve your game or your time whatever. Are 548 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 1: we surprised? I mean there's been like all of like 549 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: three boob sports studies sports boobs sports sports boobs studies. Yeah. Yeah, well, 550 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 1: and and also I think there you know, we just 551 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,720 Speaker 1: don't We just don't understand though, like how women's bodies 552 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: work from head to toe all that well, um, but 553 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:54,240 Speaker 1: in competitive sports such as golfing obviously, archery, hurdler's gymnasts, 554 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: tennis players, anything where you have a swing, water polo players, 555 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 1: apparently like keeping your boobs in the water. How many 556 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,799 Speaker 1: times have you jumped into a body of water, whether 557 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 1: it is a pool or lake or something and that 558 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: top just flies right off. I know that they're in 559 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 1: one pieces, but boots, the risk of them trying to 560 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,240 Speaker 1: escape from the top, yes, yes, which happens. And even 561 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,760 Speaker 1: Rhonda rousy m M, a fighter UM in the sports 562 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: bras you know that the fighters will wear, has had 563 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 1: to contend with potential nip slips because wasn't it her 564 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: first professional UFC fight that UM the her opponent was 565 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: like on her back trying to essentially break her neck 566 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,319 Speaker 1: and so she was worried about like, well, okay, I've 567 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,360 Speaker 1: got to survive, but also my sports bra is slipping 568 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 1: dangerously lower and lower and lower. So she's fighting this 569 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 1: woman with one hand and fighting with her sports bra 570 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: with the other basically, but if her if she had 571 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: experienced a sports bra malfunction during that fight, it certainly 572 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,879 Speaker 1: would not have been the first boob to be out 573 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: at a sporting event. Yes, so Amanda has noted this 574 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: in a piece she wrote over at ESPN magazine, which 575 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 1: I was so thrilled to see when it came out 576 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,439 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, because I was like, yes, 577 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: sports boobs, Hello, now one's talking about that. She sight 578 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: of this incident in when then eighteen year old Ritrean 579 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 1: runner nebat hobbed to marry him had to run the 580 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: majority of a five k meter qualifying heat with her 581 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 1: boob out because she I don't know if she like 582 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: left her sports bra at home or what, but she 583 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: had to borrow one. No just camsole. She borrowed a singlet, 584 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,800 Speaker 1: Oh my god, and didn't have a sports bra under it, 585 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:51,720 Speaker 1: and so she started running and immediately and her boobs 586 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,800 Speaker 1: started running away too. Yeah. Well, because as we've disclosed 587 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,359 Speaker 1: in the first part of this episode, your boobs are 588 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 1: on the move. Major. Yeah, and and has noted in 589 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: the article that understandably this athlete like didn't leave her 590 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 1: apartment for a week. She was just mortified. Again. Thank 591 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 1: god Twitter didn't exist. Oh yeah, oh big time. But 592 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 1: you know you mentioned that there's no real study to 593 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:24,760 Speaker 1: corroborate claims that smaller breasts or no breasts uh helps 594 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 1: your game. Um, but plenty of women have pursued this route. 595 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,719 Speaker 1: In two thousand nine, romani and tennis star Simona Hollop 596 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: got a breast reduction to help improve her play, and 597 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 1: her play actually did improve. She was a thirty four 598 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,920 Speaker 1: double D at the time before her reduction, But there 599 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,439 Speaker 1: was a petition that a bunch of guys circulated like 600 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 1: asking her to not have the surgery. And there you go, 601 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 1: there's the oggling factor. Thanks for nothing, because boob bounce 602 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 1: embarrassment roots back to that kind of nonsense. Yeah, but 603 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,400 Speaker 1: the next year you have Australian turler Janna Rawlinson, who 604 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: announced that she was going to get her breast implants 605 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,319 Speaker 1: removed to try to improve her chances of making it 606 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 1: to the Olympics. She actually didn't make it because of 607 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,720 Speaker 1: a foot injury, not because of boobs or no boobs. 608 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 1: And even though, like we said, there isn't any firm 609 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: data on this, plastic surgeons such as doctor ed Dominankis, 610 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:28,320 Speaker 1: who was speaking to the Orange County Register, assume that 611 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 1: breast implants and larger breasts are a negative in sports 612 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:37,840 Speaker 1: like golf, tennis, and track, although uh, the doctor said 613 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 1: except in boxing, they might help because they would quote 614 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,279 Speaker 1: soften the blow, to which I was like, okay, this 615 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,920 Speaker 1: man has never been punched in the boobs. We talked 616 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 1: about this in our last episode. We did, and some people, 617 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 1: as we can give m m A and Ronda Rousey, 618 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,799 Speaker 1: some have suggested that chess strikes a k A. Boob 619 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 1: punches should be um band in women's UFC fighting. But 620 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 1: Rousey is like, what, no, no, just you just protect 621 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,399 Speaker 1: your chest. Well, there was an entire Reddit thread where 622 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: somebody was trying to figure out how badly getting punched 623 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 1: in the boob does hurt, and it was so fascinating 624 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,719 Speaker 1: to me to look at the responses because so many 625 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,880 Speaker 1: women were like, oh, it's the worst. I will have 626 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,719 Speaker 1: to lie down on the ground to recover, and other 627 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 1: women were like, no, it doesn't hurt at all. Um, 628 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:33,439 Speaker 1: to me, a boob hit really hurts. A boob hit 629 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 1: when you are like on the verge of a period. Oh, 630 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,919 Speaker 1: don't even I can't even, like, I can't even touch them. 631 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:44,759 Speaker 1: There There are so many Yahoo answers type Google results 632 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 1: asking whether getting punched in the breast or the testicles 633 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,759 Speaker 1: hurts more, to which I'm like, Internet finds something better 634 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:58,800 Speaker 1: to do with your time. It doesn't matter. Yeah, I don't, 635 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,239 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, but a so back to boxing though, uh 636 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 1: and punching everybody in their boobs in the ring. Uh. 637 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 1: In two thousand nine, British amateur boxer Sarah Bluten was 638 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 1: not allowed to compete in the UK's Amateur Boxing Association 639 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:18,800 Speaker 1: events because of her breast implants. Yeah. And their defense 640 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,280 Speaker 1: was saying that it was because of risk to breast tissue. 641 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,880 Speaker 1: But plastic surgeons that the Orange County Register and reporting 642 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 1: on this talked to disagreed, saying that our breasts take 643 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 1: more of a beating so to speak, and just day 644 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 1: to day life than her implants would. And Blueten said 645 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 1: their gel implants and so it's not like they could 646 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 1: possibly rupture so um, that was. I mean, that's just 647 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,960 Speaker 1: something you would rarely see of an athlete intentionally enlarging 648 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,719 Speaker 1: her breasts. Um. And I would also imagine too that 649 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:58,319 Speaker 1: this is a factor for beach volleyball where you know, 650 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: I mean, the Olympics is happening as we are recording 651 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 1: this podcast, and um, you know, a lot of uniforms 652 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 1: are essentially like sports bras and briefs, and that is 653 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 1: one of the reasons why it's a really popular sport 654 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,279 Speaker 1: for a male audience. Oh have you seen the meme 655 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:21,239 Speaker 1: circulating about beach volleyball. It's showing a woman, uh, and 656 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,520 Speaker 1: she's got a hitge job and she's completely covered. She's 657 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,439 Speaker 1: on one side of the volleyball net, and then there's 658 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,319 Speaker 1: I don't know she's American or Australian on the other 659 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,000 Speaker 1: side in her what is basically bikini but sports bra 660 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 1: and briefs. And they were like, now tell us that 661 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:41,400 Speaker 1: one country isn't more empowered than the other, meaning that like, 662 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 1: look at this white woman in her bikini, she's clearly 663 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,640 Speaker 1: so much more free to live life the way she 664 00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 1: wants to. Oh, I thought it was the reverse, where no, 665 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,520 Speaker 1: it was the white guy was like see America is 666 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,600 Speaker 1: more free. And basically the entire Internet jumped on this guy, 667 00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 1: like are you serious? Yeah, because what I saw was 668 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,759 Speaker 1: women are wearing he jobs for personal choice, whereas that 669 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 1: uniform is required, So which is more free? Also, again, 670 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 1: Internet finds something better to do with your time for 671 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:18,920 Speaker 1: for serious such as learning about sports broad technology more productive. Um, 672 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:23,320 Speaker 1: here's the thing we need, and I mean this seriously. 673 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,400 Speaker 1: We need better sports broad technology. It is sorely emphasis 674 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:33,200 Speaker 1: on sore lee needed. And this was something that Nicola Brown, 675 00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,360 Speaker 1: who was the lead author of that London marathon study, 676 00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,360 Speaker 1: was saying to the New York Times. I mean she 677 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,160 Speaker 1: was saying like, this is just like a matter of 678 00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:45,240 Speaker 1: basic wellness for women. There are not adequate sports bras 679 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,320 Speaker 1: that are affordable. I mean, you can get a really 680 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,400 Speaker 1: high tech, super duper sports brat, but it's gonna cost 681 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:56,400 Speaker 1: you upwards of sixty eight dollars yeah, if not more. 682 00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,160 Speaker 1: I mean there was a great was it on buzzfie 683 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 1: that they sent differently shaped women to try on the 684 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,040 Speaker 1: same sports bras to see how they all worked with 685 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 1: different bodies. Um, and I think two of them, two 686 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:11,799 Speaker 1: of the women chose the same bra, but then the 687 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 1: other two chose different ones because just because this one 688 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,040 Speaker 1: bra is supposed to be so great doesn't mean it's 689 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,880 Speaker 1: going to work for your body type. But often the 690 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,440 Speaker 1: ones that are more supportive do tend to be more 691 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,040 Speaker 1: outrageously expensive. Yeah, for all of them, the worth performing 692 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,920 Speaker 1: was the cheapest Haynds sports bra, which was a bomber, 693 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:34,879 Speaker 1: you know, because a lot of times my sports bras 694 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,319 Speaker 1: shopping involves just like walking into target, grabbing what I 695 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,719 Speaker 1: see and then um, buying some housewears that I don't need. Well, 696 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,160 Speaker 1: of course that is my struggle as well in life. Um. 697 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,279 Speaker 1: But the thing though about sports process, You're supposed to 698 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:53,800 Speaker 1: replace them so often like a toothbrush, and so I don't. 699 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:58,800 Speaker 1: I don't because they're so expensive. Yeah, I didn't realize 700 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,520 Speaker 1: that I'm basically need to get rid of all but 701 00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,479 Speaker 1: two of my sports bras. But the thing is, though 702 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,239 Speaker 1: sports broughts make a massive difference in terms of that 703 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,440 Speaker 1: breast soreness issue. This is the fact that I was 704 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:16,200 Speaker 1: teasing to earlier where Nicola Brown that researchers said that 705 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:20,200 Speaker 1: their right fitting sports bra can reduce breast discomfort regardless 706 00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:24,759 Speaker 1: of your breast size and around of women who experience it. 707 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,919 Speaker 1: I mean, that's it's a pretty powerful sports bra right there, 708 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,480 Speaker 1: But it's just a matter of getting the right fit. 709 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,880 Speaker 1: I would argue that a right fitting sports bra is 710 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:39,640 Speaker 1: even more important than the right fitting bra bra, although 711 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,200 Speaker 1: I am more likely to cry trying on sports bras 712 00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:48,000 Speaker 1: than regular bras because if you want a very supportive 713 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,040 Speaker 1: sports bra, it's probably going to be very restrictive, so 714 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,319 Speaker 1: trying to get in and out of them. Do you 715 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,160 Speaker 1: know how hard it is to like try to squeeze 716 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,080 Speaker 1: into a sports bra only to find out that it's 717 00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,920 Speaker 1: either too big or too small, and then trying to 718 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:00,440 Speaker 1: pull it off, and you like just look at your 719 00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,960 Speaker 1: shoulder and then you're crying at Nike and you realize 720 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,520 Speaker 1: your blood sugars crashed. I mean, that's why you get 721 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:10,720 Speaker 1: the ones with the back clasps. Yeah, that'd be helpful. Yeah, 722 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,120 Speaker 1: those do exist, but again those are going to be 723 00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,920 Speaker 1: your price er bras um and in the same way 724 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,600 Speaker 1: as we talked about with the science of breast sag 725 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,600 Speaker 1: in our last podcast, and the fact of the matter is, 726 00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,120 Speaker 1: like we're just late to the game on all of this. 727 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,960 Speaker 1: We didn't start studying breast biomechanics until the nineteen nineties, Um, 728 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,359 Speaker 1: probably because you finally had more women um in the 729 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,240 Speaker 1: field being like, hey, here is something that directly applies 730 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,960 Speaker 1: to my life, um, and we should study. But also, 731 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:45,440 Speaker 1: breasts are just really hard to study like this because 732 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:51,200 Speaker 1: they're so varied and it's hard to replicate the a 733 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:57,759 Speaker 1: representative breast population in motion, you know what I mean, 734 00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:02,359 Speaker 1: Because it's like you would how how do you forward that? Well? Right? 735 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,040 Speaker 1: Not obviously not all breasts are the same size and shape. 736 00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,200 Speaker 1: But obviously not everybody is literally only running on a treadmill. 737 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,719 Speaker 1: You know. There's like, obviously so many different types of 738 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,880 Speaker 1: activity even just walking around day to day, um, that 739 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,719 Speaker 1: you would need a different type of sports brawl for. 740 00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,200 Speaker 1: But the big thing that I learned in terms of 741 00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,399 Speaker 1: sports broad technology is that originally they were just all 742 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:25,000 Speaker 1: about compression, smush them down, keep them in, and those 743 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,960 Speaker 1: are the basic like uni boob style sports bras are 744 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:33,640 Speaker 1: probably the most familiar with. But now companies like a 745 00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:38,920 Speaker 1: Brooks or a Nike are looking at how to isolate 746 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,080 Speaker 1: specific movement areas. I thought you were going to say, 747 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:48,040 Speaker 1: how to isolate specific boobs, specific boom boobment areas because 748 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,520 Speaker 1: of that figure eight motion, you know, and man, I 749 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,640 Speaker 1: want to be like, I want to go to that lab. 750 00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,560 Speaker 1: I want to go to that sports brawl lab so 751 00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,239 Speaker 1: bad if anyone listening can hook me up with some 752 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,279 Speaker 1: sports bra research. But that just kind of thinking about 753 00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,759 Speaker 1: booba art, Like what if you paint your nipples and 754 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,160 Speaker 1: then run in front of a canvas? Like would you 755 00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,680 Speaker 1: get some cool figure eights going? There's only one way 756 00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:13,840 Speaker 1: to find out, I know, talk about the best like 757 00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:19,000 Speaker 1: pinterest craft. I'm sure it's been done, but in the 758 00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:24,359 Speaker 1: meantime until our perfect, magical, affordable sports bra that I 759 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,320 Speaker 1: argue should be like government subsidized for low income people 760 00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,719 Speaker 1: with breasts, whatever your gender identity is. Um. There are 761 00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,400 Speaker 1: some tips for things that you can do to alleviate 762 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,360 Speaker 1: some of that pain. Specifically, if you have larger breasts, 763 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:45,440 Speaker 1: look for encapsulation style sports bras rather than the uniboop 764 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,600 Speaker 1: style because those encapsulation style sports bras were the ones 765 00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,560 Speaker 1: that have separate cups. And right now in the studio, 766 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:56,759 Speaker 1: I am making a cup gesture at Carolina. We're like 767 00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,359 Speaker 1: the Lady Gaga monster hands. Honestly, it feels a little 768 00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:06,520 Speaker 1: aggressive because I'm doing it at you. But those encapsulation 769 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,239 Speaker 1: styles are are way more effective at controlling movement, and 770 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:15,080 Speaker 1: that was something that was corroborated in that BuzzFeed experiment 771 00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,160 Speaker 1: trying to find the perfect bra, where um, the two 772 00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,640 Speaker 1: women with the largest brass were like, oh my god, 773 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,080 Speaker 1: I had no idea. As soon as they put on 774 00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,200 Speaker 1: an encapsulation style bra, it was a whole new world. 775 00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,560 Speaker 1: And also, the focus doesn't need to be so much 776 00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,560 Speaker 1: on whether you have underwire or whether you have adjustable 777 00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:36,240 Speaker 1: straps on your sports bra because of your bra, support 778 00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,640 Speaker 1: actually comes from the band around your ribs, which I 779 00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:43,680 Speaker 1: can adjust to with my sports bra. That made me 780 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:48,520 Speaker 1: cry in the Nike dressing room. But underwire and adjustable 781 00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:52,680 Speaker 1: straps those like clippy things. If you have a larger frame, 782 00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,080 Speaker 1: those are going to dig into your skin, so avoid 783 00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,440 Speaker 1: that well. Especially yeah, especially if you're doing some type 784 00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,920 Speaker 1: of uh, lengthy exercise, like if you're gonna go running 785 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:05,040 Speaker 1: for hours, um, that can eventually really make you hate life. 786 00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,719 Speaker 1: Also just running for hours hour like I don't know, 787 00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,799 Speaker 1: maybe you're doing an iron Man, an iron woman, an 788 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:17,279 Speaker 1: iron ironman, Ironman. Again, the back clasps can make life 789 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:21,480 Speaker 1: a lot easier, so confront class. Oh yes, the front class. 790 00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,440 Speaker 1: Although but then that would make it harder if you 791 00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,760 Speaker 1: do have the what did you call it, encapsulated style, 792 00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,160 Speaker 1: the because you need if you've got that style, you 793 00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,360 Speaker 1: need the front and center of the broad to be 794 00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,680 Speaker 1: resting on your breastphone um and the band to be 795 00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:39,319 Speaker 1: sitting comfortably. So the front class might interfere with that. 796 00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,400 Speaker 1: Um just all the more important to maybe talk to 797 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:46,280 Speaker 1: somebody who knows who has a better broad ducation. Also, 798 00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:51,840 Speaker 1: look for breathability. That's a big factor for reducing potential chafe. 799 00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:58,440 Speaker 1: And those super strappy Lululemon bras that are really cute 800 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,799 Speaker 1: my not work the best support wise. Um yeah, like 801 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,440 Speaker 1: maybe maybe if you're gonna, like go do yoga or 802 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,719 Speaker 1: some low impact thing where you just want to wear 803 00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,560 Speaker 1: a sports bra but you don't care about bouncing or 804 00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,319 Speaker 1: support all that much. Maybe, but yeah, I mean the 805 00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,920 Speaker 1: two two of the girls in the BuzzFeed piece chose 806 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,200 Speaker 1: the Lula Lemon bra um. One of them was smaller chested, 807 00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,600 Speaker 1: but the other girl who chose them, I think was 808 00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,719 Speaker 1: a sea cup. So I mean, Lilua Lemon bras will 809 00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,440 Speaker 1: cost you a fortune, but I mean they are very 810 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:34,200 Speaker 1: well made. But again, those the multi strappie. Multiple straps 811 00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,680 Speaker 1: don't equal multiple support because again it's all about that 812 00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,759 Speaker 1: waste band or the chest band. Excuse me, maybe you've 813 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,879 Speaker 1: got a waste band on your bra. I don't know. Yeah, 814 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,799 Speaker 1: how high your your girdle bra? And again, you know 815 00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,560 Speaker 1: you're probably gonna have to to replace the more often 816 00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:54,319 Speaker 1: the way that you would your tennis shoes. You know, 817 00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,399 Speaker 1: if you're if you're out there running every single day, 818 00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,920 Speaker 1: for instance, you're going to have to replace your tennis 819 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,120 Speaker 1: shoes or you're running shoes more often than someone like 820 00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:06,520 Speaker 1: me who doesn't run, um, but who used to. All right, 821 00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,760 Speaker 1: step judging. Um, it's the same with your sports bras 822 00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,680 Speaker 1: there with all of that supporting and the stretching and 823 00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,960 Speaker 1: everything that's happening, and washing them regularly. I hope they're 824 00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,960 Speaker 1: eventually going to get warned down they are And I 825 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,840 Speaker 1: think the biggest thing that I would advocate and also listeners, 826 00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:27,919 Speaker 1: I would love some tips on how to better do this. 827 00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,560 Speaker 1: But we need to do such a better and more 828 00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:36,880 Speaker 1: vigilant job of just normalizing breast development for girls because obviously, 829 00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,799 Speaker 1: like we need better sports bas yes, but you know 830 00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,600 Speaker 1: the fact that for girls and women alike, that embarrassment 831 00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:48,080 Speaker 1: factor plays such a prominent role in determining whether we 832 00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,160 Speaker 1: do or don't exercise for healthsake. This is not about 833 00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,880 Speaker 1: staying then, this is about being healthy. What did Sissy 834 00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:58,480 Speaker 1: SpaceX mother call them and carry dirty pillows? We need 835 00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,400 Speaker 1: to get away from the mentality that what is on 836 00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,840 Speaker 1: your chest as you're developing through puberty are dirty and 837 00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,600 Speaker 1: somehow embarrassing and shameful because it's just part of your body. 838 00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,120 Speaker 1: So the more that we can understand about our anatomy 839 00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:15,400 Speaker 1: and our development, what's healthy, what's unhealthy, the better for 840 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,680 Speaker 1: all of us. And hopefully the fewer um popular girls 841 00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,800 Speaker 1: who will approach girls like me and for some reason 842 00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,520 Speaker 1: shame them about needing to wear a bra. Very bizarre 843 00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,880 Speaker 1: to me, Braham, because that was something I thought that 844 00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:28,719 Speaker 1: would be like a badge of pride, like who got 845 00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,080 Speaker 1: their period first. I don't know. I don't know. We 846 00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,440 Speaker 1: can't all live in a Judy Bloom book. It's true, 847 00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,000 Speaker 1: it's true. And when it comes to raducation, boys need 848 00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:41,440 Speaker 1: it too, in the sense of raising boys to treat 849 00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:46,520 Speaker 1: and look at girls as humans rather than sex objects. 850 00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,560 Speaker 1: So and and for them to to just understand like 851 00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:56,800 Speaker 1: basic female development you know, um destigmatize all of this stuff. 852 00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:02,160 Speaker 1: It's healthy for every body. Yeah. So with that, listeners, 853 00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:03,960 Speaker 1: we want to hear all of your thoughts. I know 854 00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:08,040 Speaker 1: we have a lot of people who exercise, whether with 855 00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,440 Speaker 1: organized sports or casually work out in our audience. I 856 00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,319 Speaker 1: know a lot of people are probably listening to this 857 00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,439 Speaker 1: podcast while they are jogging or at the gym, and 858 00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,479 Speaker 1: I am so curious to know whether this rings true 859 00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:24,279 Speaker 1: for you and any tips that you can offer, any 860 00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:29,319 Speaker 1: sports bras that you can recommend, send it all our way. 861 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,480 Speaker 1: Mom Stuff at how stuff works dot com is our 862 00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,960 Speaker 1: email address. You can also tweet us at mom Stuff 863 00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,080 Speaker 1: podcast or messages on Facebook, and we've got a couple 864 00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:45,880 Speaker 1: of messages to share with you right now. So I 865 00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,240 Speaker 1: have a letter here from Eleanor about our two parter 866 00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,799 Speaker 1: talking to Terry O'Neill, the president of the National Organization 867 00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:58,080 Speaker 1: for Women. Eleanor writes, OMG, your latest podcast interviewing Terry 868 00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:02,000 Speaker 1: O'Neil had me crying to years of joy. I loved 869 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,640 Speaker 1: hearing her talk about the support of black women on 870 00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:08,680 Speaker 1: Twitter and lgbt Q I a people. It made me 871 00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,239 Speaker 1: so proud of all of our trailblazers and philled me 872 00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,279 Speaker 1: with feminist pride. I've only thought of NOW as a 873 00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,960 Speaker 1: pretty chill organization, but it had some problematic history. But 874 00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,600 Speaker 1: I'm so glad you guys taught me about their intersectionality. Plus, 875 00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,560 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed the mentions about how NOW wanted women 876 00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,520 Speaker 1: to stay angry. It inspired me to find my anger 877 00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,640 Speaker 1: and go march and pick it and protest in the streets. 878 00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,799 Speaker 1: Let's get the e r A passed, y'all. Let's go 879 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:40,480 Speaker 1: angry feminists. Thanks for your fantastic podcast, Eleanor, And she says, ps, 880 00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:45,560 Speaker 1: screw Judge Aaron Pursky. Yeah, and and Judge Persky is 881 00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,479 Speaker 1: the one who made the decision in both Stanford rape 882 00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:54,239 Speaker 1: case to essentially about a rapist off. I have just 883 00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:59,719 Speaker 1: the most touching letter from Catherine, who writes when I 884 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,360 Speaker 1: turned twenty, I dropped out of college. I've been major 885 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,640 Speaker 1: hopping for two and a half years and realized I 886 00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,480 Speaker 1: had to decide what to do with my life in 887 00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,919 Speaker 1: order to justify taking out more student loans. I spent 888 00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,800 Speaker 1: the next two years working a dead end job in 889 00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,920 Speaker 1: a manufacturing plant, typically spending three days a week on 890 00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:18,080 Speaker 1: the production floor and two days a week doing custodial work. 891 00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,480 Speaker 1: I want to go on record as saying that factory 892 00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,560 Speaker 1: workers are some of the hardest working and kindest people 893 00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:26,680 Speaker 1: in the world, and our entire society would crumble without them. 894 00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,840 Speaker 1: Here here, However, I hated my job. I actually looked 895 00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,799 Speaker 1: forward to my cleaning days because scrubbing toilets meant I 896 00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:36,840 Speaker 1: was allowed to listen to my iPod. So fast forward 897 00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:41,880 Speaker 1: to Catherine's discovery of stuff Mom never told you, and 898 00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,560 Speaker 1: she says, one day I heard the first Sminty episode 899 00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,920 Speaker 1: about librarians, and the one she's referencing folks was I 900 00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:53,560 Speaker 1: think from two thousand nine or ten years ago, she says. 901 00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,640 Speaker 1: I ended up spending the last hour and a half 902 00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,240 Speaker 1: of the day hidden in the cleaning supply closet, perched 903 00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,120 Speaker 1: on an upturn in five gallon bucket, googling how to 904 00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:05,839 Speaker 1: become a librarian on my phone. I achieved Step one 905 00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,600 Speaker 1: to a happy life, figure out what you want. It 906 00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,279 Speaker 1: was time for step two, figure out what you have 907 00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,479 Speaker 1: to do to get it. I discovered that in order 908 00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,680 Speaker 1: to become a librarian and run my own library someday, 909 00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:18,759 Speaker 1: I needed to go to grad school, which meant going 910 00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:22,919 Speaker 1: back and getting my bachelors, which was somewhat intimidating. Within 911 00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,239 Speaker 1: a few weeks, I had applied to two schools, one 912 00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,600 Speaker 1: that offered a b a. In Women's and Gender studies 913 00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,880 Speaker 1: and a community college as a safety school to boost 914 00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,480 Speaker 1: my g p A. My essay and letters of recommendation 915 00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:37,319 Speaker 1: must have been convincing because I was accepted and I 916 00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,600 Speaker 1: majored in women in Gender Studies, and for a school 917 00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,279 Speaker 1: in a state that's around white, we had an amazingly 918 00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:46,120 Speaker 1: intersectional program. More than half of the WSG professors I 919 00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:49,000 Speaker 1: had a woman of color, three of my favorite professors 920 00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:50,919 Speaker 1: or immigrants, and I had at least as many queer 921 00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,719 Speaker 1: professors of straight. Instead of listening to Sminty while scrubbing toilets, 922 00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,720 Speaker 1: I was listening during my commute to school, and Spinty 923 00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,720 Speaker 1: episode topics and fun facts made it to my papers 924 00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:04,279 Speaker 1: and classroom discussions on a regular basis. This past May, 925 00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:08,080 Speaker 1: I graduated as a member of our WSG honor society, 926 00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,520 Speaker 1: Iota Iota Iota, and finished my undergrad with a three 927 00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:14,680 Speaker 1: point four g p A. I'm the first of my 928 00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,560 Speaker 1: immediate family to finish college, and a couple of months 929 00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,720 Speaker 1: I'm heading to the university of Denver, my first choice 930 00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,440 Speaker 1: grad school, where I will be getting my master's in 931 00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:27,320 Speaker 1: Library and Information Sciences. I'm currently on the longest step 932 00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:31,040 Speaker 1: to a happy life, Step three, do the work. Even 933 00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,840 Speaker 1: though the original Librarian episode was before Caroline's time, I 934 00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,600 Speaker 1: thought it was important that I share my story with 935 00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,760 Speaker 1: you wonderful ladies. One episode of this podcast sparked an 936 00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:42,400 Speaker 1: epiphany that completely altered the trajectory of my life. I 937 00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,280 Speaker 1: highly doubt I'm the only one out there who has 938 00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,800 Speaker 1: had this type of experience on behalf of all of 939 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,920 Speaker 1: us who have had their lives changed by this podcast. 940 00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,400 Speaker 1: I want to say thank you so freaking much, even 941 00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,240 Speaker 1: though we've never met. I love you both to the 942 00:57:55,280 --> 00:58:00,760 Speaker 1: moon and back. Well Cat, First of all, congratulation, Second 943 00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:04,480 Speaker 1: of all, you are a badass. And third, thank you 944 00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:09,760 Speaker 1: for one of the best letters we have ever received. 945 00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:14,000 Speaker 1: And um, I don't want to put words in your mouth, Caroline, 946 00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:17,120 Speaker 1: but I can say for myself that y'all have changed 947 00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,120 Speaker 1: my life as much as perhaps we have changed yours. 948 00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:25,120 Speaker 1: So thank you so much. And if you have letters 949 00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,880 Speaker 1: to make us cry as well, Mom Stuff at how 950 00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,600 Speaker 1: stuff works dot Com is our email address and for 951 00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:32,480 Speaker 1: links to all of our social media as well as 952 00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,640 Speaker 1: all of our blogs, videos, and podcasts with our sources 953 00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:40,040 Speaker 1: so you can learn so much more about boobs. 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