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Speaker 1: want you to now. Hello and welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt and I'm Ben, but I am

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Speaker 1: not and most importantly you are here, which makes this,

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Speaker 1: And the reason we're relying so so much so on

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Speaker 1: um fictional things is because, aside from one very dodgy

428
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Speaker 1: legal case um centuries ago which actually happened, uh, the

429
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: law and ghosts don't really interact, you know, not as

430
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Speaker 1: much as it would be fun for it to happen.

431
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 1: I would totally watch though, like Law and Order Ghost Condition, Yeah,

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00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: I would love to. I would love That's a million dollars.

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00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: I want to see one of those no nonsense Hollywood

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Speaker 1: Judge shows, you know, with the ghost Judge ghost. The

435
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Speaker 1: Judge is a ghost. I thought it would be ghost

436
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: coming into like this is fertile ground here, yeah, yeah,

437
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 1: here be serpents were on the edge of the map. Man,

438
00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,040
Speaker 1: this is terra incognita. Uh. Those are great ideas and

439
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 1: following them away and there's you know, people say, well,

440
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: there's the idea that there could be a demonic haunting, right,

441
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: and then there's the idea that there could be a

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00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: When I say demonic, I mean any kind of non

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Speaker 1: human thing. And then there's the idea that, um, certain

444
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Speaker 1: locations can be haunted, which we have found is kind

445
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: of true. I know it sounds like we're burying the lead.

446
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: We'll explain why later. And let's not forget about poulter Geist,

447
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,360
Speaker 1: sort of the gremlins of the ghost world. And this

448
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Speaker 1: is where, okay, just refresh my memory because I think

449
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Speaker 1: I have an understanding of the poulter guist because of

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Speaker 1: the movies where there are things occurring two objects in

451
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Speaker 1: a house, like objects are being moved a lot. Well,

452
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: I think it has a largely to do with sort

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Speaker 1: of a telekinetic ability. Um. Yeah, physical disturbance, physical disturbances.

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Speaker 1: And I mean in poulter Geist, the movie, there's the

455
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Speaker 1: little girl who is largely seen as kind of being

456
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Speaker 1: not maybe not the cause, but definitely a conduit or

457
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: some sort of catalyst for these energies. But yeah, I

458
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: think it can just like be like you know, chairs stacking,

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00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: you know, or like you know, household appliances turning on

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Speaker 1: and off, or just uh, knockings in the night. Uh.

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00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 1: The word poulter geist, to think, in English, means something

462
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: like noisy spirit or loud ghost, Polca ghost, rumble ghost, yes,

463
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: Polka ghosts. But but that's interesting because poulter Geist had often,

464
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Speaker 1: at least in folklore, been thought to be haunting a

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Speaker 1: specific person, you know, like a often an adolescent girl. Honestly, like, um,

466
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Speaker 1: I think that's how the report goes, That's how the

467
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Speaker 1: film poulter Geist goes. And um, correct me if I'm wrong,

468
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: But maybe the bell witch, which leads us to another

469
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Speaker 1: interesting point that people have believes for centuries that certain location, shots,

470
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: or places can be haunted. And that's kind of true.

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00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and not just not just places and a

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Speaker 1: single object like a trinket or I don't know, maybe

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Speaker 1: somebody's a jacket. Interesting And we'll get right back to

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Speaker 1: that after a quick word from our sponsor. Stumbling towards

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Speaker 1: the bus stop after a late night Halloween party, Paul

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00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: Cooper finds a pair of shoes. He's not sure where

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Speaker 1: the bus stop is when he finds these shoes, He's

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00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: just sort of walking to where he thinks the stop

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00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: should be. He's going from memory, perhaps from a vague

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Speaker 1: optimistic belief that he can discover the bus stop with

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Speaker 1: nothing but the distant light of downtown skyscrapers to guide,

482
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: in the same way his ancestors crossed oceans following the stars.

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00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,959
Speaker 1: The last stretch between ponds and iris is unlit. Careful

484
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: of the puddles flooding the curb, Paul shies away from

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Speaker 1: the street. The drizzle grows metastasizes. Haul runs beneath the

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Speaker 1: bridge spanning North Avenue, hoping to wait out the storm.

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00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: He's huddled against the concrete, hiding from the rain, cursing

488
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: softly at the car's sprain puddles onto the sidewalk As

489
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: they speed west. He leans against the concrete, wishing for

490
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: smoke or an uber, and he sees the shoes. They're

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00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: dark leather, something Italian. They're not new, but they seem artfully, warm, expensive, substantial.

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00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: His shoes broken down paints matter, Jordan's feel leaky and cheap.

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00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: As he stares at the dress shoes placed neatly against

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Speaker 1: the concrete wall, heels back toes, facing the street, all

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Speaker 1: momentarily imagine some well dressed revolutionary by gone days, standing

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Speaker 1: against the wall, fearlessly lighting a last cigarette as he

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00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: bids his executioners to steady themselves, to remember there are

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Speaker 1: men to shoot. The water seeping into his Jordan's brings

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00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: Paul back to reality. He regards the dress shoes and

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Speaker 1: wonders should I He's just drunk enough to try them on,

501
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: putting one foot in gingerly, then the next they fit perfectly.

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00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: The rain slows back to a drizzle, and Paul stumbles

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Speaker 1: into the night. Is broken. Jordan's discarded and forgotten, as

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Speaker 1: a passing card through his water across their souls, Paul's

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00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: beginning to worry he won't find the stop. He's admitting

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Speaker 1: he can't remember the exact location of the bus stop.

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Speaker 1: He's beginning to think he should have called an euber

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Speaker 1: before his phone died. When a car pulls slowly beside

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Speaker 1: him and honks the horn. The window rolls down, revealing

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Speaker 1: a woman Paul doesn't know. She wears a long red scarf,

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00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: one of those kinds Paul's mom calls an infinity. Hey,

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00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: she says, get Paul thinks she's pretty. Who's this? No

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00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: way am I taking a ride with this weirdo? And

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00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: these thoughts come to him all at once, tripping over

515
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: one another, like strangers interrupting, like runners in a crowded room.

516
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: And he's just drunk enough to hop in the car.

517
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: I'm just headed to the bus stop. The woman doesn't respond,

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00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: just drives towards the city in silence. She parks along

519
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: then unfamiliar side street, an alley almost in the heart

520
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: of downtown. Where's the bus stop? The woman doesn't answer.

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00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: She hops out of the car and Paul follows her.

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00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: Are we near a train station? The woman looks back

523
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Speaker 1: over her shoulder. She's heading toward Peach Tree and Paul

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00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: walks after her into a bar. Woud, Paul thinks, lower

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00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: than it should be. The place is like one long

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Speaker 1: hallway with a pool table at the end. Most of

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00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: the crowd is in one sort of costume or another,

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00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: he says. A man at the bar wing on a toothpick.

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Speaker 1: You should watch out, buddy, Coop ain't gonna be happy

530
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: to see you. Who the hell is Coop? Says Paul.

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00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: The man just turns back to the bar, staring at

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00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: a rerun of football on the staticky television. Paul's looking

533
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: around for the woman who took me here, he thinks,

534
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: conducted me. When another woman walks up to him, she

535
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: hands in an old fashioned. You're a sight for sore eyes, babe.

536
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: She's tall, with long hair and dark eyes. She looks

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00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: him up and down. Breath night. Do you know each other?

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00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: She raises an eyebrow. Laughs, you can always say that.

539
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: The tall woman leans close to Paul's face. Listen, what

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00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,719
Speaker 1: do you say we are? You're cheating, bastard. What are

541
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: you doing in here? Paul turns just in time to

542
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: raise his hands in defense. The screaming man swings why,

543
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: shattering the old fashioned to the floor. Paul stumbles back,

544
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: a dizzy heart racing yells the tall woman. Paul's eyes

545
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: race for something to grab, a pool stick, a bottle,

546
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: a chair. No one in the bar moves to intervene.

547
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: It is as if he does not exist. Paul grabs

548
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: the chair, feeling like a lion tamer. He yells at

549
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: the bar, then to the man who must be Coop.

550
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: Look cute, I don't know you. You gotta calm down.

551
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: The man Coop draws a gun. Paul throws the chair,

552
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: knocking Coop to the floor. He glances at the door

553
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: and sees the woman in the red scarf leaving. He

554
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: chases her. As they round a corner, he hears the

555
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: bar door slam, the sound of heavy boots in pursuit.

556
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: Hey yells Paul, who the hell are you help me?

557
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: The lady in the scarf turns as she opens the

558
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: car door. I can't, it's too late. A gunshot brings

559
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: impossibly loud behind Paul, and his vision explodes to red

560
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: to white to black. Early the next morning, the medical

561
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: examiner turns on an audio recorder as he prepares to

562
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: conduct the autopsy. Okay, let's see what we got here.

563
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: Unidentified mail late twenties, messy gunshot wound to the head

564
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: from the rear, execution style. What are those lately? Another

565
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: day in Paradise, I guess The examiner pauses before continuing.

566
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: He takes off one of the corpse's shoes, then the other.

567
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: He holds them up to the light. Ralph furrowed watching

568
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: the shine of the dark. Hand made leather. Huh, he says,

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00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: are you again, Giadorno's fine leather? Stay one step ahead.

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00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: Gno's fine leather is not responsible for any of the

571
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: following possible side effect sussession, demonic possession, grand theft, auto a,

572
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: facial convulsion, spring fever, compunction, consumption, left handedness, hold your

573
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: guy's activity, unexplained, bounce of telekinesis, phantom limb athletes foot

574
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: lad their owner goes to hikers Tupacopa, the phantom of

575
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 1: the opera write his lame is rob ectoplasmic excretions. Geodorno's

576
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: Fine Leather brought to you by Illumination Global Unlimited. Wow, guys,

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00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: that was not That was not great courses, you know,

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00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: that was that was a pretty um You know, I

579
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: really feel like old Elimination Global Unlimited has been you know,

580
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 1: pumping a little more um, a little more Illuminati bucks

581
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: into those ads. Well, did it feel like an ad

582
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: to you? Guys? I felt like that was a story

583
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: and then it was an advertorial. I'm I don't know,

584
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: I'm a little scared. Well, don't be scared, don't be scared. Okay,

585
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: let's talk more about ghosts. Don't be scared yet. Yeah, okay,

586
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: let's talk about let's talk about something. Don't be scared yet.

587
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: We say, as we're saying, let's also talk about something frightening.

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00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: Let's talk about famous ghost investigations and hunters. There are,

589
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: of course, the warr ins Ed and Lorraine there that

590
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: their investigations, and some people and our crowd are going

591
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: to get way overly emotional and furious about us referring

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00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: to them as investigations. Kind of their were not ours.

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00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: It's fine whatever you wish to call them in your

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00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: own time. Uh, we're calling them investigations because they call

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00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: them cases or investigations, and they have been the basis

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00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: for several films. You might remember some, in my opinion,

597
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: better than others, The Conjuring, The Haunted, Amityville Horror Haunting

598
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: in Connecticut, Annabelle Haunting three, the haunting ning hunting in

599
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: Connecticut to haunting in Newark. Wait what Hartford? The Hartford

600
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: Hunt and they the stuff that they did remains a

601
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: controversial legacy. There are people who are completely completely convinced

602
00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: that the Warrens had a particular skill with exorcising demons, right,

603
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: But then there are other people who believe that the

604
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: Warrens were essentially con artists. Yeah, it's it's tough, it's

605
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 1: it's a tough thing to prove, but it's also a um,

606
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: it's a tough thing to even have a conversation about

607
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: if you really believe in any of this stuff. So

608
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: I apologize to anyone who really believes. We're not trying

609
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: to just say that you're wrong. We just want to

610
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: find the avenue to the truth, right, That's where that's

611
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: what we're doing. Well, it's sort of like proving or

612
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: disproving someone's religion, you know, I mean to believe pretty

613
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: much impossible, you know, Yeah, they're not gonna and and

614
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: the frame of reference for having that conversation means everything,

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00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: you know, if they're trying to like convert somebody to

616
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: believing in ghost, spiritual disturbances, believing that you are a

617
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: successful ghost hunter. If that person isn't already on the

618
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: same page as you, it's gonna be pretty difficult. And

619
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 1: they're also you know it, there's more than one type

620
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 1: of ghost hunter. We should be completely completely clear about that.

621
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: There are people who believe that they are encountering something

622
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: through an inexplicable natural ability, like a medium, the power

623
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: of a medium. Right. And there are people who believe

624
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: that the power of a religion allows uh the um,

625
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 1: the cleansing or the exorcism of someone like a priest. Yeah,

626
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: like a priest, some unhelp helpful spirit. And then you

627
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: will also hear people say that you should smudge a

628
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: house or burnett was sage to purify it. Right. But

629
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: then there are people who rely more on the technical side,

630
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: and they say, let us see these drops in temperature

631
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: or see if there's anything odd on these cameras, right. Uh.

632
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: And then there are people who go in entirely uh

633
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: to say this is this is wrong, this bs You

634
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: are either willfully ignorant or you are purposefully swindling um

635
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: yourself when people report it um. And then there are

636
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: people who are more in the I guess in the middle,

637
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: and that brings us to the here's where it gets

638
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: crazy part of the show, because they're they're various theories

639
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: explaining ghost sightings that are not necessarily You know, my

640
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: dead grandfather came back because he knows I stole his

641
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: Playboys true story. No, well the playboy part, dude. He's

642
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: just for the articles though, right, Yeah. No, Shel Silverstein

643
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: is published in there. It's pretty good. He has a

644
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: poem about meeting the devil. Actually I know that one. Yeah,

645
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: that's pretty good one. What was it called? Sorry, I

646
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: just said that. I haven't thought about that for I'll

647
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: have to look back and tell you. But so, well,

648
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: we'll get back to that boem. We'll bring it up. Um.

649
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: But so some of these, let's get past some of

650
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 1: the easy ones, and people have heard before, like there's

651
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: a hallucination due to perhaps a physiological injury or mental instability.

652
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: Um no, Matt and I alluded to that a little

653
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: bit earlier, and they're listening possible causes. You could have

654
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: things like the struct their structural damage of some sort,

655
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: or just some unexplicable uh noises that are occurring, maybe

656
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: from from pipes, let's say, or from the air conditioner

657
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: making noises don't be associated matha the wind maybe, or

658
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: the raccoons in the attic twice, but apples falling from

659
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: the tree. Get rid of raccoons in the attic and

660
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: then put on and sorry twice simply a bag of

661
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: hands dropping one by one on to the floor. It

662
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: was an acorn. Yes, it was a different time, but

663
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: that's absolutely true. It's very easy to misidentify things. Can

664
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: I before we get into the real need of this,

665
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: can I just tell you, guys, one of my least

666
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: favorite horror movie tropes. Please thank you, because if you

667
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: said no, we would have just kept going. But I

668
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: despise it when there's a haunted house situation and there's

669
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: that one person who not only doesn't believe that the

670
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: house is haunted but has to be a prick about it.

671
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: That always bothers me because I feel like it's such

672
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: a metaphor for all these other unacknowledged problems that people

673
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: have or standard you know, like you're you're in a

674
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: relationship and you've got, uh your partner's best friend like

675
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 1: hates you, and you know it and it's obvious. You're like, hey,

676
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: your best friend hates me, and we shouldn't hang out

677
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: with them, and then they're like, oh no, no, no, no, no,

678
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: you don't. You just don't get Daphne or whatever. No

679
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,919
Speaker 1: offense to anybody whose name is Daphne. I just pulled

680
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: that out of the ether. Yeah. So that's that's just

681
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 1: the ramp, because you've probably had this happen at some

682
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: point in your life where you feel like you are

683
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: telling somebody something terrible is happening, something very bad is happening,

684
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 1: and a going, man, you it's a it's a comment

685
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: on denial, I think, and we all go through different

686
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: versions of that throughout our lives. Uh well, I mean

687
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: usually in those films, the person who believes the most

688
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: is the person that's rewarded. So you think you think

689
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: it's gonna work out with me and Daphne or I hope? So, man,

690
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: I think she's a nice gal, says you. Well anyway, okay,

691
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: so I don't. I'm sorry that we picked this stranger's name.

692
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: Oh man, if your name is Daphne, right, and I'll

693
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: write back and apologize. But we have one other explanation,

694
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: and this is by no means the only explanation, but

695
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 1: we have one thing that proves how a locale an

696
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 1: area house, if you will, can be haunted and it's crazy. Yes,

697
00:42:55,000 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: it's certainly unexpected, I would say, And should we just

698
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: hop right into it? I think we should. So what

699
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: if the ghosts that you're seeing or you thought you saw,

700
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,439
Speaker 1: or you thought you heard, What if it was just

701
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: a low frequency vibration causing your mind in your eyes

702
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: to play tricks on your brain? See, that's a great question.

703
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,919
Speaker 1: I gotta say, though, I don't like the use of

704
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: just because I still think this is amazing and I

705
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: don't think this is like a debunking thing. Okay, yes,

706
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: you're right. I do not mean to downplay the coolness

707
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: that the vibrations, that the effect is, the effect itself

708
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: is very cool. Well, I just I also don't Okay,

709
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: I already used up my one soupbox for the show.

710
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: But I am gonna say I don't think that the

711
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 1: existence of low frequency vibrations or infrasound necessarily means that

712
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: that is the only thing at play. Sure, it's one

713
00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: explanation for a possibility, or or what if what if

714
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: the vibrations somehow hit a resonant frequency in your brain

715
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: that allows you to perceive different things, or what if

716
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: ghosts cause vibrations? Yeah, I don't know how it's a

717
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: whole let's roll it back just a couple of notches here. So,

718
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: so there's this paper by a man named Vic Tandy

719
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 1: who's a university lecturer at Coventry University, and the title

720
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: of the paper is the Ghost in the Machine and

721
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: I'll just give you a little preview of it by

722
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: reading the abstract. I think this does a really nice

723
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: job of kind of summing up with this is about

724
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: which I guess is what the abstract is supposed to do.

725
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: So it's well done, sir uh. In this paper we

726
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: outline and as yet undocumented natural cause for some cases

727
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: of ostensible haunting. Using the first author's own experience as

728
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: an example, we show how a nineteen hurts standing airwave

729
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: may under certain conditions create sensory phenomena suggestive of a ghost.

730
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: The mechanics and physiology of this quote ghost in the

731
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: machine end quote effect is outlined. Spontaneous case researchers are

732
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: encouraged to rule out this potential natural explanation for paranormal

733
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 1: experience in future cases of the haunting or poulter Geistick type,

734
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: which I think is very thoughtful thing to put there

735
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: in the abstract. It's like he's saying, hey, we did

736
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: the study that explained this thing, so doing you a

737
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 1: solid ghost hunters, rule this out when you're looking for

738
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: actual paranormal phenomenon because this ain't that well. Yeah, because

739
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: in the introduction of that paper, it lists all the

740
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: different things that a quote unquote ghost hunter or someone

741
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: who's trying to study these things should, uh, first thing

742
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: eliminating all of this, eliminate every one of these. Here's

743
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 1: a new one. Here's what it's like. That's what this

744
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: paper is. I just think it's cool because this this

745
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: this fellow is coming at this from a very you know,

746
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 1: research scientific oriented places, collaborative as well. But he's giving

747
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: a nod. The is not like being a jerk about now.

748
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: He's totally like saying, hey, I'm not saying that what

749
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,240
Speaker 1: you guys do is is bunk. You know, in fact,

750
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 1: use this research that we have done to help further

751
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: your efforts. And I thought, I don't know, usually people

752
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: that are coming from a very um academic place tend

753
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 1: to be a little more snooty about things like that.

754
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: So I just thought that was interesting. It can it

755
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: can happen. The the science behind it is so compelling

756
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: because it it uses also some research from NASA. Okay, so, uh,

757
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: let's hoop all right, as the mad Hatter said to

758
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: somebody at the tea party, will start at the beginning,

759
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 1: go through the middle, and stop and and the three

760
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: of us are pretty familiar with this story, so we'll

761
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 1: just pass the ball around. Uh. And you might have

762
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: heard this as well, audience members, especially if you two

763
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: are intrigued by the investigation of the ghosts. This guy,

764
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: Victandy wasn't always a university lecturer. As a matter of fact,

765
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: at one point in his life he was working in

766
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: a laboratory making a medical manufacturer, right, And this laboratory,

767
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: I just like seeing it that way, had a reputation.

768
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: It was haunted. Oh yeah, super haunted. In fact, people

769
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: were seeing things, feeling things, hearing things with no explanation.

770
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: So let's talk a little bit about the room. The

771
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: rooms about ten ft wide by thirty thirty ft deep long,

772
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: and their doors. At one end, it's getting a picture

773
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 1: like a garage. And then at the other end there's uh,

774
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: some went there's some windows, and there's like a cleaning

775
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: bay on the other side of those windows. Vic Tandy

776
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: not exactly a superstitious guy, you know what I mean.

777
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: Friday is just another day before Saturday to him, and

778
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,919
Speaker 1: he notices, uh, this, this is pretty interesting. He's also

779
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: an I don't know if he's amateur, so uh, Vic,

780
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: if you're listening, don't get mad at us. But he

781
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 1: has an interest in fencing, and he doesn't know what's

782
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 1: going on with his these reports this ghost He knows

783
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: that he's had some uncomfortable feelings before where he's got

784
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: that uh, what's that song? I always feel like he's

785
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: watching me. Yeah, yeah, he has that moment and and

786
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:34,919
Speaker 1: and frequently for skeptical person, so he um, he's trying

787
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: to explain what's going on. It's like, could this really

788
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: be a ghost man? That's crazy? And he's got some

789
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: coworkers that are a little more sold on the idea

790
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: that are bringing this damn and saying, hey, this is legit.

791
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: I've had these experiences and you know, he can connect

792
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: with them in a sense, which is making him, you know,

793
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: think about this, what could be the cause? What's the

794
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: rational explanation? You know? For example, I think there was

795
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: a story where there was like a hose or something

796
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: that was moving around. They've got like a cleaning hose.

797
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: And he attributed to changes in in pressure, you know,

798
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: because this place is it's an industrial type set up,

799
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: so they've got some high pressure sure water and air

800
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: systems in there. You know, there's different things that can happen.

801
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: Changes in pressure in the in the pipes, you know,

802
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: can cause creaking sounds, you know, expanding and contracting of metal,

803
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 1: things like that. That's that, that's where his mind is going, absolutely,

804
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: And so he is using some lab equipment to ready

805
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: one of his fencing foils and the sorts, right, and

806
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: that's when he sees the foil itself just vibrating, no discernible, cause, well,

807
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: that doesn't make any sense, right, Why would there be

808
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 1: some kind of air disruption causing the spoiler move, especially

809
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: when that you can't just readily sense yourself exactly, you

810
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: can't hear anything. I mean, what what's the answer? Ghosts

811
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: like cats? Do they just like the smack things? You know? Yes,

812
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: something a little bit different though, right, Matt. So at

813
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: this point, Vic Tandy is on the hunt for what

814
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,479
Speaker 1: the heck is causing this vibration in his laboratory. Well,

815
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: and he finds that there is a you might have

816
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: to help me out with this spin it's a fan

817
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: that's causing this or an event a new Yeah, there's

818
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: there's a there's a fan fan duct, I believe, and

819
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: this duct is emitting a very low frequency sound and

820
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 1: it'submitting it in what's called a standing wave. So this

821
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: is really cool. This is when well you can you

822
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: explain a standing wave? Yeah, well, I mean this in

823
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 1: this case the wave. You know, sound is measured in

824
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: wave forms. If you've ever done any audio editing or recording,

825
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: you see um audio represented in a series of peaks

826
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: and valleys. So it sort of looks like almost like

827
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: waves on the ocean. Honestly, there's peaks and there's troughs um.

828
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: But different items vibrate at different frequencies, and so what

829
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: was happening with the foil was that this vent or

830
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 1: this fan was emitting a wave that was the precise

831
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: or very close to the precise frequency resonant frequency of

832
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: the actual blade. So it's sort of like if you

833
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: had a piano string or a guitar string, for example,

834
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: and you had another object or item that was creating

835
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: a vibration that was at the same frequency as that string,

836
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: it would cause the string to vibrate in tandem with

837
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: the other source. So that was basically what was happening.

838
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 1: And that's what's so strange about that is that this

839
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: is not a sound humans can consciously here. Yeah, so

840
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: low on the scale there the scale of hurts, but

841
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: our our bodies can see. Our bodies seemingly respond to it.

842
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: By the way, I have found of been doing some

843
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Speaker 1: experimentation for the video for this week, and you I

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Speaker 1: think it's twenty around twenty one or twenty two hurts.

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Speaker 1: You can hear it with the Sindhiser's um at least,

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Speaker 1: if it's what I have found, you can kind of

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Speaker 1: make it out. You can't hear it necessarily, but you

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Speaker 1: feel that something is happening with your headphones. It freaks

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Speaker 1: me out. So what I'm gonna do, if you haven't

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Speaker 1: already watched the video, there's gonna be a twenty hurts

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Speaker 1: just tone going throughout the entire episode. And I tested

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Speaker 1: on some subworffers. I don't think it's gonna hurt anybody,

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Speaker 1: but it should if there's any truth to this. Give

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Speaker 1: you an eerie feeling while you're watching it. You know,

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Speaker 1: when the MythBusters did an episode on this, uh, this frequency,

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Speaker 1: they found that they had um They had people saying

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Speaker 1: that they had a sense of aneyas you know, like

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Speaker 1: a whole body feeling. So that's what that's what we find.

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Speaker 1: Because not only is this eighteen to twenty hurts um

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Speaker 1: range that the fan was in resonant to that fencing foil,

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Speaker 1: NASA found that this is around the same resonant frequency

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Speaker 1: of the human eye, which could explain then how you

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Speaker 1: might see smudges in your vision shadow people. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: turn left really quickly and all of a sudden, Oh,

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Speaker 1: who's that there was someone standing there? Maybe there was,

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Speaker 1: Maybe there was, but maybe there wasn't. The The thing

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Speaker 1: that it's interesting about this is Tandy figures out there

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Speaker 1: is a standing wave and that's why it's concentrated more

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Speaker 1: right in one place than another, and he gets uh,

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Speaker 1: he gets one of the four minute construction workers to

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Speaker 1: replace the fan, and then boom, exorcism complete. This is

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Speaker 1: the nicest lab I've ever been in. I want to

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Speaker 1: stay here all the time. So what we learned from

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Speaker 1: that is that there are places in the world that

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Speaker 1: may naturally be haunted but not necessarily by sentient identities

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Speaker 1: instead by ounds, and it really cool. It still creates

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Speaker 1: the same feeling of being haunted, so it's almost like

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Speaker 1: another It's almost in some ways it's similar to a

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Speaker 1: Turing test, you know, the haunted Turing test. Has it

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Speaker 1: fooled you into thinking it's a ghost, then how can

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Speaker 1: we distinguish it from an actual ghost? I don't know,

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Speaker 1: and love that I'm being overly so. In the Tandy case,

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Speaker 1: they did trace it to a particular fan, and they

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Speaker 1: investigated and once they turned the fan off, the standing

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Speaker 1: way disappeared and this feeling of unease dissipated. The second

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Speaker 1: question that they had still that was left unresolved was

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Speaker 1: why did this make people feel a certain way make

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Speaker 1: people feel uneasy? And they quote another bit of research

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Speaker 1: that they discovered and trying to answer this um and

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Speaker 1: they cited as a book by Tempest N six. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure with that means, but you can look it

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Speaker 1: up in the study Ghost in the Machine or the

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Speaker 1: paper Ghost in the Machine is available online pdf for

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Speaker 1: free for free. So Quote Noise consultants were asked to

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Speaker 1: examine one of a group of bays and a factory

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Speaker 1: where workers reported feeling uneasy. The bay had an oppressive

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Speaker 1: feel not present in the adjacent areas, Although the noise

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Speaker 1: level appeared the same. Management workers and consultants were all

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Speaker 1: aware of the unusual atmosphere, and on investigation it was

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Speaker 1: found that low frequency sound was present at a slightly

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Speaker 1: higher level than in other bays. However, the actual frequency

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Speaker 1: of the offending noise was not obvious. The cause of

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Speaker 1: the noise was a fan in the air conditioning system.

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Speaker 1: Workers in the University Radio Chemistry building experienced the same

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Speaker 1: oppressive feeling, together with dizziness when the fan in a

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Speaker 1: fume cupboard was switched on. Conventional soundproofing had reduced the

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Speaker 1: audible sound to the point where there was hardly any

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Speaker 1: difference in the noise when the fan was on as off.

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Speaker 1: The situation affected some people so much they refused to

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Speaker 1: work in the lab. It was concluded the low you

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Speaker 1: can see component of the sound was responsible. And that's

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Speaker 1: a pretty good way for us to end it today.

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Speaker 1: I think we would like to hear some of your

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Speaker 1: ghost stories listeners and how you can kinnot explain them,

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Speaker 1: because I have a few, to be honest, in my

916
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Speaker 1: personal life that I still meant a loss to explain.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what happened. Well, I am jealous, have

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Speaker 1: yet to have anything of the sort, and I'm actively

919
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Speaker 1: looking for it. So ghosts, I called to you, I

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Speaker 1: call to you. What what do I what? How do

921
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Speaker 1: you do it? I summon me. I think. I think

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Speaker 1: it's like if you turn off the lights and say

923
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Speaker 1: bloody Mary three times in the mirror, you'll get drink. Dude.

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Speaker 1: I tried that so many times in elementary school and

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Speaker 1: still never got a drink. Candy, Man, get some candy.

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Speaker 1: Tried that, tried it all man. I do want to apologize.

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Speaker 1: So that that quote that I read, I just looked

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Speaker 1: in the site and and the sources in the paper

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Speaker 1: and it's a someone named w. Tempest. Now he's having

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Speaker 1: a six. The book is called Infrasound and Low Frequency

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Speaker 1: Vibration UM, Academic Press, London. It makes me think too

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Speaker 1: about the brown Note and the the alleged brown note,

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Speaker 1: and the the non lethal that's my DJ name, by

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Speaker 1: the way, DJ brown Note. You changed it, Okay. It's

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Speaker 1: for the kids, all right. So this brings us to

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Speaker 1: these other ideas, the effects that low frequency sounds can

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Speaker 1: have on the human mind. We don't have too much

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Speaker 1: time to get into it today, but if you're interested,

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Speaker 1: let us know, because we can tell you that Vic

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Speaker 1: Tandy and a few other um further academic researchers are

941
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Speaker 1: not the only ones poking into these effects on the

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Speaker 1: human mind, not by far, not by a long shot.

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