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Speaker 1: Hello, holy shit, I'm actually on with GEK.

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Speaker 2: What a baby? How you doing?

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Speaker 3: What? Uh?

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Speaker 2: I'm better now that you're here, sick. How's life, buddy?

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Speaker 2: What's going on? Hit me? Hit me in the balls?

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Speaker 2: Gets get crazy? Come on, baby, come on, come on man,

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Speaker 2: hit me, sir, hit me, hit me, hit me.

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Speaker 1: All right, So I figure I should talk about my

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Speaker 1: codependency because that's what I talked to about with my

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Speaker 1: actual therapist.

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Speaker 2: Sure yeah, sure, sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So let's see. So I'm in recovery. I'm like

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Speaker 1: five months clean off of fetanyl.

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Speaker 2: Congrats, I thank you.

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Speaker 1: I normally tell people my my drugs of choice are slow,

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Speaker 1: which is sex, love, opiates, and women.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I really only.

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Speaker 1: Abstained from the opiates. And my therapist is like, I

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Speaker 1: don't understand how you could literally say that you'd rather

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Speaker 1: eat dog shit than do dope again, but you can't

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Speaker 1: abstain from women. And I normally replied with the joke.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, well, you know, it's hard when they just

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Speaker 1: throw themselves at me. But I feel like like I

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Speaker 1: grew up alone a lot, Like I was a latch

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Speaker 1: tea kid, you know, like I make sure I was

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Speaker 1: up in time for school, got home, did my homework,

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Speaker 1: fed myself, showered, make sures in bed bird.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: So it's like I seek attention because I didn't have

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Speaker 1: of people do. But yeah, what are your thoughts on that?

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Speaker 2: What are my thoughts on that?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: My god? Uh slow interesting sex love, opiates women. Opiates

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Speaker 2: feels like it's the odd one out of that acronym. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: why opiates? Why is opiates finding itself in that acronym.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's like I went, I went to rehab like

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Speaker 1: for the opiates and then come to find out that,

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Speaker 1: like my codependency was like a bigger issue, Like I'm

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Speaker 1: addicted to attention.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what code the whole codependency thing? What does that

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Speaker 2: look like? Really?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 2: What is how does that manifest itself? A codependency addiction?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: I like constantly like have to be talking to somebody,

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Speaker 1: if not like multiple women, because I get that dopamine

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But on the like negative end of the spectrum, like

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Speaker 1: if I get ghosted or like I don't hear back

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Speaker 1: it's like I could like a week or two ago,

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Speaker 1: I went on this date, and uh, like I didn't

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Speaker 1: days before our date. It went really well, but like

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Speaker 1: I was like really shitty. I was like, I'm too

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Speaker 2: Is by the way? I can I just say this?

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Speaker 2: And is this not? Like? Everyone? Is this not most people? Do?

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Speaker 2: Most people not? And I'm not gonna I don't think

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Speaker 2: isn't that a kind of a universal experience to feel

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Speaker 1: I feel like it is, you know.

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Speaker 2: So why what do the opiates? Are the opiates just

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Speaker 1: Well, It's like I feel like it was intertwined. Like

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize it at the time, but after like

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Speaker 1: and comfort, I didn't have to seek out attention.

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Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, that makes sense. Hmmm mmm yeah. So it's

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Speaker 2: like you're just kind of trying to fix some chemical,

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, M And so how has it been being five

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Speaker 1: It's pretty cool, Like my they call it like a

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Speaker 1: So I'm trying to live life on life terms. I

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Speaker 1: help lead like heroin Anonymous meetings, which Heroin Anonymous just

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Speaker 3: Like all opiates.

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Speaker 1: And I do like aa like any sort of like

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Speaker 2: That's that all sounds nice man. Yeah, have you been

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Speaker 1: I've made like a move to a new town I'm in.

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Speaker 1: I'm in Prescott, Arizona. So it's all my friends up

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Speaker 2: And what are you What does sobriety look like in

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Speaker 1: So they call that emotional sobriety. So it's like anytime

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Speaker 1: if I'm like talking to people, they call it acting

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Speaker 1: out right. They have they have a sex and love

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Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, you know what's crazy? I bet And it's

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Speaker 1: I feel like they're thinking it, but you're not like

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: When when I went to treatment, they were asking me

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Speaker 1: I literally told my therapist, I'm like, if somebody's down

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Speaker 2: If someone is down to say that again, if someone

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: If somebody's down to clown, we're going to the circus.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I've lived a lot of my life

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Speaker 1: I mean, are you preoccupied with sex or like relationships?

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Speaker 1: Like, if you think about it often for more than

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Speaker 2: Do I think about sex for more than thirty seconds

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Speaker 2: We are talking about it, yes, which is a step

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Speaker 2: that would probably be a lot.

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Speaker 2: Let me think. So, what's the future plan for you, sir?

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Speaker 1: The future plan?

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Speaker 3: Hmm?

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Speaker 1: like insist treatment, which probably isn't a good thing because

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Speaker 1: which is a healthy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, life's the trip.

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Speaker 2: What's your name again, Sterling? Sterling? Sterling, Sterling, Sterling? How

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Speaker 1: I was stoke that I actually got on mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: You're you're you're a good guy, Sterling. I like you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you Mike Boy's gig.

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Speaker 2: Hmmm, I'm trying to is anything I'm trying to think

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's a good thing to do. Is

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Speaker 1: Hmmm. It's better to be a dopeless hope addict than

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Speaker 3: I like that?

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Speaker 2: Say that way, hopeless. It's better to be a dopeless.

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Speaker 1: A dopeless hope addict than a hopeless dope addict.

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Speaker 2: A dopeless hope addict and a hopeless dope addict.

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Speaker 3: I like that.

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Speaker 2: I like that. She put down a shirt or a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a bumper sicker.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for calling Sterling. I appreciate you word.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Geck.

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Speaker 2: They came in. Likewise, that was sterling slow sex love

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Speaker 4: Hello, Hello, where's your shirt?

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Speaker 2: Where's my shirt?

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Speaker 4: Where's your shirt?

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Speaker 2: Jessica? What's up? How you doing?

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Speaker 2: How's life?

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Speaker 4: I don't do one all right. I decided to call

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Speaker 4: Yes, So, I have a rare genetic condition called Stargart disease.

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Speaker 2: How do you know I'm not wearing like a skin color.

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Speaker 4: Shirt because I have Well that's a good question. But anyway,

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Speaker 2: You know, but what, yeah, go ahead.

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Speaker 4: The thing is I got bullied in high school because

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Speaker 2: Whoa what.

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, people would say, oh, yeah, she

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Speaker 2: Wow, crazy crazy. So what are so? You're nineteen us?

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Speaker 2: Are you going to school? Are you? What are you

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Speaker 4: Yeah? So I took a gap year to kind of

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Speaker 4: So I'm going into a nursing program in December.

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Speaker 2: Cool. Cool? Yeah, is that something that you think your

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Speaker 4: I'm only going for my LPN, so that's a step

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Speaker 4: But not all nurses that have to perform those functions.

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Speaker 2: Cool. Cool hmm. So what's your situation like at home? Like,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, my parents are very supportive, so are my brothers.

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Speaker 2: Really, where'd you meet these other blind friends?

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Speaker 4: Blind camp?

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, So I forget what the place is called.

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Speaker 4: It's like you go and it's like it's called medieval Times.

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Speaker 2: I think, oh, you guys, the medieval times.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, some people were pissed off. The completely blind kids

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Speaker 2: Well there, I mean, I mean, you know, what what

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Speaker 2: could go to like a fucking orchestra or a concert

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Speaker 4: Oh we did?

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Speaker 4: Well, So for blind people, you can request special headphones

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Speaker 2: Basically, Wow, No, okay, I knew about that, But is

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Speaker 4: what's going on. But they do have that.

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00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 2: M What movie did you see?

443
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 4: It was the live action of the Little Mermaids. That's

444
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 4: the one that I saw. We had two choices. I

445
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 4: don't remember what the other choice was. I don't I

446
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 4: don't remember what with that at the time, but that's

447
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 4: what I decided to see. It was all right, it

448
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 4: was good.

449
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 2: Uh so, what did any drama ever go down in

450
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 2: blind camp?

451
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 4: This one necessarily no, But then one I went to

452
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 4: at Penn State, we definitely had drama. So that was

453
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 4: the following year. It was ten days long. You know,

454
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 4: it's learning how to navigate college life. And my roommate

455
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 4: was the most insufferable person. Insufferable person on this planet,

456
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 4: I believe.

457
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 2: Really.

458
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 4: Okay, so my roommate, oh my god, her name is Ada,

459
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 4: but she always told us to call her this name,

460
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 4: and I don't remember what it was either. But at first,

461
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 4: you know, we were all understanding that she's on the spectrum.

462
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 4: I'm on the spectrum too, so I understand being socially awkward,

463
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 4: not understand social cues and whatnot, maybe being a little annoying.

464
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 4: But this girl pissed me off so bad. Okay, let

465
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 4: me tell you one of the things that she did.

466
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 4: I remember we were talking, so she has a lot

467
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 4: of provisions, a lot worse than one. And I remember

468
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 4: she was telling me, well, well, you're lucky. You're lucky

469
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 4: you get to see better than me. You know that.

470
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 4: Why would you say that to me? Why would you

471
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 4: say that to me? I remember I was doing my

472
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 4: makeup in the dorm and everyone's waiting on me. So

473
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 4: my friend asked, hey, like, ado, where Jessica. She's like,

474
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 4: she's putting on her face paint or whatever. I don't

475
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 4: like makeup or something. I don't know. That wasn't all

476
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 4: of it, though, I'm trying to remember, because I like

477
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 4: the thing is, I remember that feeling of how irritating

478
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 4: she was, but it's kind of hard to recall like

479
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 4: everything that she did, so I'm gonna be.

480
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 2: There are a hierarchy of in terms of like, like,

481
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 2: are like the most popular kids at blind camp? Are

482
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: they the more blind kids or the less blind kids?

483
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 3: Like?

484
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 4: Who know the funny ones.

485
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 2: The funny ones is there? There's no like uh uh

486
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: cast system based on who is more or less blind.

487
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 4: I mean, like some of us are, okay, not a

488
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 4: social hierarchy. I got a little confused there. So some

489
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 4: kids are more, some kids are completely blind, some kids

490
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 4: can see shadows. It really depends. Some kids have spots

491
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 4: in their vision, some kids have tunnel vision. Your vision,

492
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 4: I think needs to be a certain amount of terrible

493
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 4: to get in, and I get it. I got in

494
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 4: both of them. Yeah.

495
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: Mmm, do you still hang out with anyone from blind Camp?

496
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 2: They still talk to any of them?

497
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 3: Oh?

498
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, my friend Wendy, she's sleeping over tomorrow night. I

499
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 4: believe she has a stigmatism, which is when you're like

500
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 4: eyeballs or not shaped the right way, and the stagnus,

501
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 4: which is when your eyeball is constantly like shake back

502
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 4: and forth. So that's that's her blind story. But I

503
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 4: only ever met one person with my disease, because it's

504
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 4: that rare, because one in ten thousand. You hear that,

505
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 4: but I looked it up because I'm terrible with statistics

506
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 4: and numbers. That's point zero one percent of the population worldwide.

507
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 4: Mm I you know, it's it's a it's a pretty

508
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 4: lonely feeling. Not gonna lie, but you know, my friend

509
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 4: Wendy's coming over tomorrow, so that's cool.

510
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 3: Hm hmmm.

511
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think if I have any other any

512
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 2: other questions about blind Camp. Is it true that your

513
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 2: other senses start to become stronger.

514
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 4: Not unintentionally. You have to learn those things yourself. It's

515
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 4: not like you go blind and suddenly you have a

516
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 4: heightened sense of touch, smell, hearing. You have to learn

517
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 4: to utilize those things in such a way on your own.

518
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 2: And have you done that with any of your other senses?

519
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 4: Yeah? I would touch. Learning brail is really hard because you, like,

520
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 4: look at it, it is so small you can barely

521
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 4: know what you're feeling. When I first started learning braille,

522
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 4: I was like, what is this? What is this? Because

523
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 4: I just couldn't tell what letter was what. It's actually

524
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 4: really difficult, but eventually you get used to it. As

525
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 4: far as me hearing goes, I can never tell what

526
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 4: anyone's saying, but that's just because I suck at the

527
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 4: auditory processing aspect of it.

528
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 2: What do you want the people listening to this podcast

529
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: to know about being blind? That maybe they haven't thought

530
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 2: about before.

531
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 4: I'm going to This is the part where I'm probably

532
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 4: going to talk a lot. This is why I wanted

533
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 4: to get on here. Oh okay, Yeah, so I did

534
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 4: say that I got bullied in high school because people

535
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 4: did not believe me. You don't understand my high school

536
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 4: had thirty. Let me go back with this number, like

537
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 4: it's a really big high school.

538
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: Hold on, I'm sorry, your high school thirty? What?

539
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 4: Hold on?

540
00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 3: Huh?

541
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 4: I need to look at the exact because I'm on

542
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 4: the spot right now, you know.

543
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, thirty thirty thousand, no.

544
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 4: Not thirty, Okay, three thousand, two hundred and ten students.

545
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 2: That's pretty crazy for a high school. That it's a lot.

546
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 4: And to feel like I had that entire school going

547
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 4: up against me was a lot. I didn't know who

548
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,959
Speaker 4: I could trust. There was this one girl that I

549
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 4: thought I trusted, you know, we grew up knowing each other.

550
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 4: She had heard everything I had to say in class.

551
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 4: I had this one class. It was a small class.

552
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 4: It was like emotional support, math or something. I don't know. Anyways,

553
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 4: she heard all the things that I had to deal with,

554
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 4: and still she went behind my back and told people. Yeah,

555
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 4: she actually does pretend to be blind. So I found

556
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 4: her in the hallway one day and I was pissed off.

557
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 4: I swung at her and well, I missed, And so

558
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 4: you know, what does that tell you? Ignorance when it

559
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:12,240
Speaker 4: comes to disabilities like this can do a lot of damage.

560
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 4: I in my senior year, I had really thought about

561
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 4: taking my life because I couldn't deal with it anymore.

562
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 4: The constant harassment, people going behind my back, who I

563
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 4: thought I could trust in spreading this rumor. It was awful,

564
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 4: It really was. I felt like I felt like an amusement,

565
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 4: a circus class. People would laugh at me in the hallways,

566
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 4: take pictures of me, take videos of me, like I

567
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 4: was some zoo animal. It was. It was ridiculous.

568
00:34:55,120 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 2: And how did you feel once you graduated a lot better?

569
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,919
Speaker 4: I didn't have to deal with that anymore. I mean,

570
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 4: there's still people saying those things about me. But what

571
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 4: am I gonna do? You know, I still live in

572
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 4: my hometown. I'm only nineteen. I can't get away from

573
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 4: these people. But I just I hope that one day

574
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 4: these people that harass me will realize what they had

575
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 4: done and that blindness is a spectrum. There are all

576
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 4: different kinds of blindness. It's not you're blind or you're not,

577
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 4: or you wear glasses or you don't. Right, I'm losing

578
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 4: my central vision and that's something I have to live

579
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 4: with on top of the bullying that I dealt with.

580
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 2: Are you optimistic for the future in general?

581
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 4: I definitely am great. I think my past might haunt

582
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 4: me forever, but that's okay because going into this nursing program,

583
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 4: I feel right about it. I feel like this might

584
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 4: be the best thing for me.

585
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 2: In what way do you feel like the past will

586
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 2: haunt you forever?

587
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 4: I graduated two years ago and I still think about

588
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 4: it all the time. The bullying that I dealt with

589
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 4: it was really bad. I mean, like I just every

590
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 4: time I passed by I could hear people talking about

591
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 4: Not every time, but you know, the paranoia that set

592
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 4: in with these kinds of things, going around and feeling

593
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 4: like no one would believe you. On top of being

594
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 4: recently told that I was going blind. People didn't believe

595
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 4: me and they were not nice sometime in trust me.

596
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 4: Just things like that, there's emotions they stick with you

597
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 4: for a long time.

598
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 2: M Do you feel like you have a pretty good

599
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 2: community with I mean, you know, both both your friends

600
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 2: from blind Camp and other friends.

601
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do. I don't have a lot of friends

602
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 4: outside of blind Camp. That is a whole nother story.

603
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 4: I lost them my friends in high school. But yeah,

604
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 4: I mean my blind friends are you know, people that

605
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 4: I can fall back on, lean on. But I feel

606
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 4: like no one else understands me.

607
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

608
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 4: Pretty weird people.

609
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:41,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, in what way?

610
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 4: Okay? So between my boyfriend and I, my boyfriend's watching

611
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 4: this live stream right now. Oh my god, say hi Eden,

612
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 4: say hi to him? Please?

613
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:56,959
Speaker 2: Is he here?

614
00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 3: Yes?

615
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 2: Oh? Does he want? He can say hi if he wants.

616
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 4: No, I'll say, you say hi to him. He's watching

617
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 4: the live stream.

618
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 2: Oh wait, you said what you're saying me say hi

619
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 2: to him?

620
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 4: Yeah?

621
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 2: I don't even. I don't even is he like here here?

622
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 2: I mean, like, is he with next to you?

623
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 3: No?

624
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 2: Oh, well, if if he's next, I'll say, I don't

625
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 2: know if he's next to you.

626
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 4: It's okay. It's the privilege to be acknowledged by the gecko. Anyhow,

627
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 4: the nine eleven jokes went crazy at the second line Camp.

628
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 4: I want to I don't know what that was about

629
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 4: to be honest, I feel like that.

630
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: Go ahead.

631
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 4: So when we first all met each other our first

632
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 4: day at the Penn State camp, we have this objective.

633
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 4: We all got got put into groups and we were

634
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 4: given like these I don't remember what they're called. They're

635
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 4: like rods and stuff. You put them in the whole

636
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 4: kids play with them. It's it's really hard to explain,

637
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 4: but if you saw it, you know what I'm talking about.

638
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 4: But anyways, it's a group activity, who can build the

639
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 4: tallest tower whatever. My group kind of got sidetracked and

640
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,240
Speaker 4: started building the twin towers, the plane and the Pentagon.

641
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 2: Interesting. Interesting today? Get today? I get mad at you guys.

642
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: No, I mean, no, you weren't even.

643
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 2: Alive when nine to eleven happened.

644
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 4: No, I was.

645
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 2: You aren't even alive? Nope, I don't think. I don't

646
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 2: think it was, are you. I don't think. Are you

647
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 2: saying that nine to eleven wasn't your idea?

648
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 4: Well, that wasn't my idea either.

649
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 2: I think it was how did you meet your boyfriend?

650
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 4: So he used to work at it nifty fifties? You

651
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 4: know what that is? Right? He's little restaurant's supposed to

652
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 4: be like the fifties or whatever.

653
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 2: No, I know, I don't know a place called uh

654
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 2: chea burger chea burger, but I don't know a nifty fifties.

655
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 4: So it's basically like it's like imagine kind of like

656
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 4: it's to sit in. It's like a burger joint, fast

657
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 4: food place, kind of saying restaurant, but it's supposed to

658
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 4: be themed like the fifties. Anyways, I went there with

659
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 4: my friend Natalie, she's on my friend anymost fucked that bitch,

660
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 4: but I'll get into that in a moment. But anyways,

661
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,439
Speaker 4: I saw him. He was my waiter, and I thought

662
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 4: he was cute, like you know, he got He was

663
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 4: close enough so I could actually see his face, and

664
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 4: I thought he was cute. So I left my number

665
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 4: and he texted me and we started going on dates

666
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,959
Speaker 4: from there. And it's like a year and a half later.

667
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 2: So why don't you Why don't you like this lady

668
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 2: that you just said you don't like?

669
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 4: Oh my sorry, So Natalie, I remember in my second

670
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 4: blind camp, I was flaming this bitch, but I decided

671
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 4: to talk to her again after her mom died. But

672
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 4: she when I say secret animas, So do you like

673
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 4: some friends are not your friends. This girl was jealous

674
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 4: of me before I met Aiden. I'd be talking to

675
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 4: other guys and whatnot, and she would see if she

676
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 4: could talk to them too, or she'd be like, oh

677
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 4: my god, call lease share him.

678
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, what will do?

679
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 4: Is that appropriate behavior?

680
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 3: Right?

681
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 2: And and this is a person who used to be

682
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 2: your friends?

683
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 4: Oh? Absolutely? I just like.

684
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 2: And this is what? When when did you stop being

685
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 2: friends with this girl? Like when you were seventeen or something?

686
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: Then?

687
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well listen, here's let me tell you something.

688
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna act like a fucking

689
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go you know what. You know what, everyone,

690
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 2: I'm going unk mode from now on, no more being,

691
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 2: no more of this passive bullshit. I'm going straight up

692
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 2: unk mode. I refuse to not Okay, here's what I'm

693
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 2: gonna do. I'm gonna go uncomode. Listen, here's the thing

694
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 2: you're gonna One day, You're gonna you're gonna be uh

695
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 2: an old lady, and you're gonna realize that when you

696
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:37,280
Speaker 2: were seventeen, not only were you incredibly immature and stupid,

697
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 2: but everyone around you was incredibly immature and stupid. Not

698
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 2: your fault that you're incredibly immature and stupid, but the

699
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 2: fault of the fact that you're seventeen and you're in

700
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 2: high school. And so I'm gonna tell you something. You

701
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,919
Speaker 2: can either recognize that and let go of your anger now.

702
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 2: You could do it when you're in your fifties, or

703
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 2: you could hold on to it forever and die. So

704
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 2: she is, yeah, do you still hang out with her?

705
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 3: No?

706
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 4: She she's two hours away now, but she keeps harassing

707
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 4: me in any possible way she can find.

708
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 2: What do you I don't what is she in your life?

709
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,919
Speaker 2: Or is she what do you mean? What do you mean?

710
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 3: Like?

711
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 2: Is she your friends?

712
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,479
Speaker 4: I don't want her to be my friend. She thinks

713
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 4: we're friends, and that's like fucked up of me to do.

714
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 2: I'm aware, Okay, all right, wow.

715
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 4: So I finally stopped talking to her when she told

716
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 4: me that she would never date a blind person. That's

717
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 4: too far for her. She draws the line because she

718
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 4: wants them to be able to see her and what

719
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 4: she looks like.

720
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 2: And she said, hold on, all right, all right, okay,

721
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 2: I'll I'll let you finish.

722
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 4: She said, I already have a hard time being friends

723
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 4: with you because you're losing your vision, because I want

724
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 4: you to see me. I have a hard time staying

725
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 4: friends with you because of that.

726
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 2: The second, that's a stupid thing to say, But saying

727
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: that they want that, that she wants to not date

728
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 2: another blind guy, it's totally fair. I'm gonna say that's

729
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:24,959
Speaker 2: totally fair.

730
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: She said that to.

731
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 4: The wrong person, you know, I it's okay to think that.

732
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 4: Some I just felt as though that was an inside thought.

733
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 2: I I feel like, if you're well, it's superb because

734
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 2: I think if I were blind, i'd want to date

735
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 2: a non blind person because too, if we're both blind,

736
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: then you know you're the blind leading the blind. You

737
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 2: know that expression absolutely at least one person. I think

738
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 2: it's helpful. It's helpful for at least one person to

739
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,240
Speaker 2: not be blind. I think it's a it's a strong

740
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 2: logistical play that she's talking about right now. I don't

741
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 2: think she should be faulted for it, but I no,

742
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 2: I agree it was a dick move to say that

743
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 2: that you that she doesn't want to be friends with

744
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 2: you because you're blind. That was a dick move. But

745
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know anything about this lady

746
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 2: that you are friends with that you hate. She could

747
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 2: be She's probably fine, she's probably fine. You're I'm sorry,

748
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 2: She's probably fine.

749
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 4: It's not that probably.

750
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 2: But but but anyway, fuck, give me your name one

751
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 2: more time. Jessica, Jessica. And and you know what, you're

752
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 2: fine too. You're gonna go into medication and you can

753
00:45:52,560 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 2: go into nursing. It's gonna be good. You know it'll

754
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 2: be It'll be good, It'll be good. Well, what was

755
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 2: your experience of this phone call? How did this phone

756
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 2: call feel to you? Was this helpful in any way?

757
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 2: Was this anything? Was this anything? I'm sorry, I'm today,

758
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 2: I'm I'm today is a fucking weird ass to day

759
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,720
Speaker 2: and I'm and I'm just I don't know if I'm

760
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 2: doing this well today, but I but I but I

761
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 2: I'm doing it. Go ahead.

762
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 4: You kind of put some things into perspective for me.

763
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 4: As far as you know, my relationship with Nattalie, we're

764
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 4: all fucking immature. In the end, it doesn't completely matter.

765
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 4: I mean, as long as we are treating each other

766
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 4: with basically respect, that that is what matters. At the

767
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 4: end of the day. You know, it's not something to

768
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 4: whip my head off over, you know.

769
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: Okay, good, good, well, Jessica, is there anything else you

770
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 2: want to say to the people as a computer before

771
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 2: we go?

772
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, just you know, everyone be nice, to be nice

773
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 4: to disable people. I feel like people are either overly

774
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 4: nice or they are overly ignorant. You know, two things

775
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 4: can be true at the same time. Also, but I

776
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 4: just don't want someone else to go through what I

777
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 4: went through as far as the bullying goes, you know,

778
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 4: keep an open mind.

779
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 2: Thank you for sharing your story with us, Jessica. I

780
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 2: appreciate it great.

781
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 4: Thank you.

782
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 2: Bye bye.

783
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 3: From Jared. Hello, Hello, what's up.

784
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 2: How's it going?

785
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:48,879
Speaker 1: Man?

786
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 3: That's too bad? Honestly pretty good? Low key pretty good?

787
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 2: Why is it going low key pretty good?

788
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 3: I don't know, Like I would say, like, the past

789
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 3: three years has been pretty great. I've had some pretty

790
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 3: good opportunities to travel the world, and like I was

791
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 3: actually recently able to accomplish a really big dream something

792
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 3: that like I've been working towards two for the past

793
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 3: like and I wanted to say, like three and a

794
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 3: half four years.

795
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 2: Oh shit, I lay it on us man.

796
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I mean, like the big dreams that like

797
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 3: actually happened was I visited. I visited New York City

798
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 3: like for the first time, like in twenty nineteen and

799
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 3: ever since then, I was like, fuck, I need to

800
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 3: be here, like this is like the place I want

801
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 3: to live. And I recently got a job offered to

802
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 3: start there in like June, and I was living there

803
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 3: over the summer as well, and it was such a

804
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 3: good experience.

805
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 2: Cool, cool, cool, what what what job?

806
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 3: I'm basically just another corporate live at a bank.

807
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 2: You gonna get to live You're gonna get to live

808
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 2: in New York.

809
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 3: Though, Yeah, that's a big thing. It's it was like

810
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 3: so surreal over the summer because it's like wow, like

811
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 3: I finally accomplished this dream and like I yeah, I

812
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 3: just was not something I actually expected to actually happen,

813
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 3: because I don't know. But like right now, I'm just

814
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 3: kind of like, I what else is the next That's

815
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 3: kind of what I've been struggling with.

816
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 2: Interesting, Okay, so well let's talk because where in New

817
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 2: York are you?

818
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 3: So right now? Actually right now, I'm not living in

819
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 3: New York. I'll be in New York. I'll be back

820
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 3: in New York like in the summer because right now,

821
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 3: I'm in a grad program, so I'll be back when

822
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 3: I once I finished your program.

823
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 2: Oh wait, you'll be back. Oh wait, you're you're You're

824
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 2: going to New York in the summer of next year.

825
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like full time jobs. Yeah, and then this

826
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 3: past I was in the city. Just do an internship

827
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:03,240
Speaker 3: over the summer.

828
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 2: Oh okay, all right, so you are going to Okuess

829
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 2: you don't live in New York, but you are guaranteed

830
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 2: a job that will allow you to live in New

831
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 2: York in about.

832
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 3: A year exactly.

833
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, very cool. Where do you want to live there?

834
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 3: It depends on the market, but like, ideally I would

835
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 3: love to live in the East Village again because that

836
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 3: was such a good experience for a few reasons. I mean,

837
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 3: the restaurants a were great, the bar seiers there is great.

838
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 3: The age there is a little too young for me maybe,

839
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 3: but like I would STI love to live there.

840
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 2: How old are you?

841
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 3: I am in my late twenties, Okay, I remember when

842
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 3: I first visit in East Village was like relatively I mean,

843
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 3: I could be wrong, this is just from my own perspective,

844
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 3: but like when I first was there, I felt like

845
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 3: the East Village is more for like mid to late twenties,

846
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 3: while like I don't know, neighborhoods maybe Murray Hill and

847
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 3: like Hips Bay was more for like real post undergrad

848
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 3: type vibes there. But now it's like getting younger and younger.

849
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 3: I feel like, yeah, you think have you seen yeah,

850
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 3: have you seen that in your experience so far?

851
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 2: I totally. I mean there's certain parts, like a Lower

852
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 2: east Side is like huge, you know, like a lot.

853
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 2: I mean, like you know, NYU kids are all over

854
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 2: the Lower east Side, But you know, I don't know.

855
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 2: That's the funny thing, right, is because those kids, like

856
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 2: I guess I don't know how many of them when

857
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 2: they get out of like college age, are going to

858
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 2: stay in New York City. So it seems like that

859
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 2: it's just going to keep being like a rotating a

860
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 2: batch of eighteen to twenty two year olds just kind

861
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 2: of like coming in and out.

862
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that's I feel like that's always been like

863
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 3: the tradition of like those specific neighborhoods in the city,

864
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 3: just because like of how crazy it is, Like I know,

865
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 3: there's like a big like controversial thing too of like

866
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 3: how people are fluctuating, like you said there's a lot

867
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 3: of turnover in the city because of like how hectic

868
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 3: it is, and like you know, there's like a very

869
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 3: few like real New Yorkers. But that's a whole different thing,

870
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 3: I feel.

871
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 2: Like, And you said that the past three years have

872
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 2: been really really good. Why have the past three years

873
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 2: been really really good?

874
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 3: I've had some I mean, I consider myself really lucky

875
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 3: and really blessed to have opportunities to travel the world.

876
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 3: And like I get took my first year of trip

877
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 3: back in like right when I graduated undergrad and like

878
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 3: I've been addicted to go and like growing abroad and

879
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,439
Speaker 3: like seeing the world since then, and like every year

880
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 3: I've had the opportunity to go abroad and it's been

881
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 3: such a great experience. And like a few of the

882
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 3: past two years I've been able to like build a

883
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,320
Speaker 3: multiple trips to different countries, so that's been like even

884
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 3: even great, and like you know that on top of

885
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 3: like you know, actually accomplishing dream, it's been like such

886
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 3: a great time and like I don't know, the I

887
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,919
Speaker 3: just yeah, super appreciative of like what I've been able

888
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 3: to see, the places I've been able to go. And

889
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 3: then like I have plans to keep on traveling as well.

890
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 2: Nice, Nice, Nice. Where else do you want to go?

891
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 3: Actually my groad trip, I've been trying to plant it out.

892
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 3: I want to go to Vietnam and Southeast Asia. I

893
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 3: really want to do the I could be pronounced it incorrectly,

894
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 3: but I really want to do the ha Gian Loop.

895
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 3: I know it's like really popular, but like I've seen

896
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 3: videos on like TikTok and Instagram. I's like I need

897
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 3: to experience like that looks beautiful, Like that's something I

898
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 3: just really want to go.

899
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 2: Cool. Yeah, you know, it's interesting. I think, you know,

900
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 2: of all the things that I the older I get

901
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 2: and the more I've kind of achieved in my life,

902
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 2: the more apathetic I actually become towards a lot of things.

903
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 2: The amount of things that I truly care about has

904
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 2: gone has gone down over the years, which which has

905
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 2: pros and cons. I think that a man is rich

906
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 2: in proportion to the amount of things he's he can

907
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 2: afford to let alone. You know that phrase, Yeah, I

908
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 2: kind of agree with that.

909
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 3: I mean, like, yeah, the less you're able to care about,

910
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 3: the more rich you are, just because like you can

911
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,439
Speaker 3: afford to not care about certain things. Is that kind

912
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 3: of like what you're getting at.

913
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 2: Well, a little bit, I was gonna say. But the

914
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 2: thing that I'm like, I know for a fact I'm

915
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 2: gonna want to keep doing this is traveling for sure.

916
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think that's something I don't think

917
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 2: I'll ever stop doing, at least until you know. I

918
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 2: have a list of places that I still really want

919
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 2: to go. There's probably a lot of places around the

920
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 2: world that I'll die not having gone to. Like, I

921
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 2: don't know, I mean, let me look at a map here.

922
00:54:57,920 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 2: I'm gonna just start lifting. I'm just gonna start listing

923
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 2: off countries that I never need to go to.

924
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 3: I hope you don't put anybody off doing that.

925
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 2: Well, it's not about I mean, like where I like,

926
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 2: I don't know, am I ever going to go to Belarus?

927
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,919
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll go to Belarus, I don't know. I'm trying

928
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 2: to find a country. I'm really trying to find a

929
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 2: place from, Like I don't think I'm ever going to

930
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 2: go there. I want to go to Alaska.

931
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 3: What about like Antarctic?

932
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 2: I would love to love to go to the Antarctic.

933
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 2: I'll probably never go to Turkmenistan. I'll probably never go to.

934
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 2: Uh actually, you know what. I'm looking at a map

935
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I actually the actually want to go

936
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 2: to I want to go to Peru. I'm like, all right,

937
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 2: there's actually not as many places as I thought that

938
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,919
Speaker 2: I would do that I'll die never going to because

939
00:55:56,040 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 2: I want to keep going places exactly. I want to

940
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 2: see what's I know, Russia is a whole thing right now,

941
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 2: but maybe when they're not, it'd be it'd be interesting

942
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 2: to see what's going on there. It's fucking huge, look

943
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 2: at it.

944
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 3: Yes, I have that conversation the end of day about Russia.

945
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 3: I was like, you know, I would consider going there,

946
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 3: maybe like a few years after conflict ends, but you know,

947
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 3: who knows it.

948
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like to see Moscow. It's just it just

949
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 2: seems like such a interesting place where it's sucking cold

950
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 2: and crazy and I don't know, I don't I don't

951
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 2: know anything about it. I don't know any fucking thing

952
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 2: about anything. But uh, yeah, I don't know. That's the

953
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 2: one thing. Like there's a lot of things where I'm

954
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 2: there's a lot of things where I'm like, I don't

955
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 2: need to do that, you know, Yeah, I know, And

956
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 2: I'm not just like in like whatever, skydiving or like

957
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 2: when someone's like you got to go to this restaurant,

958
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'll I don't need to do that ever, ah,

959
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 2: or like a party that is that I don't. There's

960
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 2: a lot of things nowadays where I'm like, I just

961
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 2: don't fucking need to do that. But the one thing

962
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 2: I'll just continue to do is yeah, traveling and seeing stuff.

963
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 2: So uh, I'm with you on that. I think that's

964
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 2: just cool. So did I don't? Did I ask her

965
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 2: already what places are all on your bucket list?

966
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 3: No? But like right now would be like mostly Southeast Asia.

967
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 3: I'm like, I haven't. I've been to almost I've been

968
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 3: to like so, I've been to Europe, I've been to Asia,

969
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 3: and I've been to South America and obviously live in

970
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 3: North America, but like I just haven't been to Africa yet,

971
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 3: which sucks because like I don't know when I'll be

972
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 3: able to do that, like after I do this like

973
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 3: Southeast Asia trip. It's just like I don't know where

974
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 3: what attractions are cool and like you know, what would

975
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 3: be like perfect, not like perfect, but like ideal, so

976
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 3: like what I would want to see I was thinking

977
00:57:54,480 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 3: about like maybe Mount Kilimandreuro, but I don't know when

978
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 3: I want to do that, Like that's like different out

979
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 3: of the priority list. But like right now, I'm like

980
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 3: for my graduation trip after this grad program, well, I

981
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 3: want to do like Vietnam on Thailand and maybe like Cambodia,

982
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 3: just because like that's a really cool part of the world.

983
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 2: I really want to see Cambodia. What's going on in Cambodia?

984
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 3: Uh like incre Watt. I think, yeah, it's like super remote,

985
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 3: like really ancient, like a lot of history, and it's

986
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 3: like definitely one of the bucket less items I want

987
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 3: to see.

988
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 2: Mmmmm. So what is it that attracted you so much

989
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 2: to New York that you're so stoked about living here?

990
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 3: That's a great question. It's pretty much everybody has asked

991
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 3: me that, because like you can get from people from

992
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 3: different broads of the spectrum of like loving the city

993
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 3: life and like just have no idea or like have

994
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 3: zero desire to live in any kind of city. It's like,

995
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 3: so I don't know, like I went't there like right

996
00:58:56,040 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 3: after like a graduate like undergrad, and I think it's

997
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 3: just like it's reminded me so much of a college

998
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 3: campus where it's like it's super lively, there's public transportation,

999
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 3: and there's always something going on. I think that's like

1000
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 3: the main draw of it for me. I've been around

1001
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 3: like obviously I was talking about like being around the

1002
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 3: world and stuff, but like and there's last cities around

1003
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 3: Europe and Asia like that, but like, I don't know,

1004
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 3: there's just like no city that I've been to that

1005
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 3: has made me feel that I have about New York.

1006
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 3: It's really weird. But I also have like this crazy

1007
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 3: not like crazy experience, but interesting experience. It was summer.

1008
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 3: It's where I was like, I don't know where It's

1009
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 3: just like I definitely to come back then.

1010
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 2: What what was the experience?

1011
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 3: This is actually one of the main things I wanted

1012
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 3: to talk about calling in So this is like I

1013
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 3: don't know, it's a crazy it's kind of a crazy story.

1014
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 3: I guess, I guess depending on how you ask. But

1015
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 3: there I'm like kind of like connected with this girl.

1016
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:04,439
Speaker 3: This girl that like like our parents know each other,

1017
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 3: and like we've known about each other since we were kids.

1018
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 3: My parents like worked for her parents at a restaurant,

1019
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 3: and like ever since then we know each other. We

1020
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 3: known about each other. We went to the same middle school,

1021
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 3: high school, and college, and we never talked until like

1022
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 3: this past summer where like, you know, she hit me up.

1023
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 3: She saw that like I was living in the city

1024
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 3: and like we actually connected and actually, like you know,

1025
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 3: I was like, wow, this guy girl is actually really cool.

1026
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 3: You know, we're from She's also from the same hometown

1027
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 3: as me, not in the US, So there's also that

1028
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 3: crazy thing like we speak the same language, our native languages,

1029
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 3: and like, I don't know, it just looked really crazy

1030
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 3: how that kind of works out. And like ever since,

1031
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 3: like we went on like if we hung out a

1032
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 3: few times, and I was like, well, I haven't felt

1033
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 3: this way about a person in a very very long time.

1034
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 3: And I'm just like unfortunately, I have the leaves and

1035
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 3: go back to school and I'll be back in a year.

1036
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 3: Like so yeah, like I'm just I don't know. For me,

1037
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 3: it's like it sucks about how that happened, but like

1038
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 3: that's such a crazy like thing for life to happen

1039
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 3: that way as well.

1040
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 4: Hmmm.

1041
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 2: Hmmm, for life to happen in what way.

1042
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 3: Like it's I don't know, like more so just like

1043
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 3: you know, we've known about each other for so long

1044
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 3: and then like we never talked until recently when we're

1045
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 3: like adults. It felt like, I don't know, it's like

1046
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 3: a weird thing that like I might be just playing

1047
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 3: it up too much in my head, but I don't know.

1048
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 3: I felt like it's I felt like it was such

1049
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 3: like a romantic thing, like kind of low key like

1050
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 3: movie scirits. Don't want to sound corny about or anything.

1051
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 2: Where do you live currently.

1052
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 3: Right now? I live in North Carolina?

1053
01:01:56,720 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 2: Okay, well with city in North Carolina. Uh.

1054
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 3: I live in the like Raleigh Durham area.

1055
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, So how are you biding your time between

1056
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 2: now and when you go back to New York.

1057
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 3: Honestly, I've I've just been kind of chilling, just hanging

1058
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 3: out with my friends. Really, Like I've like since I

1059
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 3: have like a job offer after the grad program, I

1060
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 3: like don't really have to do too much anymore since

1061
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 3: last year is mostly dedicated to trying to find a job.

1062
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 3: So right now, I've just been kind of like chilling

1063
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 3: and like I really put a big emphasis on like

1064
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 3: enjoying them now because, like like I said, like the

1065
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 3: past couple of years, my life's been dedicated trying to

1066
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 3: get to New York and try and just like looking

1067
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 3: forward to that. But now that that's done and I've

1068
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 3: like achieved that, I just need to like I like

1069
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 3: kind of remember reminding myself and it's like I'm in

1070
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 3: grad school right now that like this is a very

1071
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 3: unique position that like I'm probably never going to go

1072
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 3: back to schools for this, So I need to enjoy

1073
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 3: being in college. I need to be joy or into

1074
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 3: like in a college town being surrounded by like my

1075
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 3: friends are like within like such a close distance, because

1076
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 3: I know after this, it's not going to be like

1077
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 3: this ever again.

1078
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, that's the weird I mean, that's the

1079
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 2: weird thing about life is that it's very transient, and

1080
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 2: you try to make sure that you can enjoy things

1081
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 2: while you can. But also how do I say this, Like, uh,

1082
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 2: whether you enjoy it or you don't enjoy it, it passes anyway,

1083
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 2: so I guess might as well enjoy it. Yeah, can

1084
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 2: You can never you can never hold on to anything.

1085
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 2: It always escapes your grip.

1086
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's I started to realize that pretty off,

1087
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 3: like relatively often when I was like being abroad and

1088
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 3: I realized, like Wow, this is a great moment, but

1089
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 3: it's you know, obviously it's not gonna last forever. I

1090
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Speaker 3: need to like just enjoy it and not worry about

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Speaker 3: it at all.

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Speaker 2: What do you say your name was, sir?

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Speaker 3: I don't remember what I put when I first called in,

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Speaker 3: but we'll just go with Jared.

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Speaker 2: Jared, Jared, was there anything else that you wanted to

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Speaker 2: talk about today before we go?

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Speaker 3: No, Man, I honestly really appreciate your time. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I've been listening to you since like I don't know,

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Speaker 3: very like twenty twenty one, so it's been pretty surreal.

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Speaker 3: I actually finally got on and like, I really enjoyed

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Speaker 3: talking to you. It was great and like such a

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Speaker 3: cool experience.

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Speaker 2: Thanks brother. Hopefully, you know, I don't know what the

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Speaker 2: future is like for me and my live stuff, but

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Speaker 2: you know, hopefully i'll get something going next year in

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Speaker 2: New York and you can come through. It'll be fun.

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Speaker 3: Hell yeah, I would love that. I will be there

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Speaker 3: if you do something in New York.

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Speaker 2: Beautiful, beautiful, take care, Jared, Good luck, Man.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, gex I'll see you.

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Speaker 2: See you.

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Speaker 3: Man goes on the line. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Just teaching you an expert