WEBVTT - Cavs Get Win 61 Over Knicks

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<v Speaker 1>This crowd rises to its meaning what borrow slam it?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh Carl left wing three ball perfect, then.

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<v Speaker 2>He left block the shot at the rim pow with

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<v Speaker 2>the left head and a fowl. Welcome to the Chasetown Podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>first half was not the prettiest, but the Cleveland Cavaliers

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<v Speaker 2>found a way to adjust at halftime and walk away

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<v Speaker 2>with a domin win over the New York Knicks, who

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<v Speaker 2>they have now outscored by a combined sixty two points

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<v Speaker 2>this season through three games. Joining me today is my

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<v Speaker 2>co host Carter Rodriguez. Carter, how you doing, buddy, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>doing good.

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<v Speaker 1>I really was grumpy in the first half. I was disappointed,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, you know, sometimes you have games where they

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<v Speaker 1>don't go the way you're hoping they're going to go.

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<v Speaker 1>As a fan, and you feel frustrated, and then the

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<v Speaker 1>team kind of can't win you back in the second half.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you're just you're just grumpy, and you're like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care what you do in the second half,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still mad at you, you know, like you're mad

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<v Speaker 1>at your you know, significant other or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And I kind of was like, I kind of in

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<v Speaker 1>my brain was thinking that was going to be this game.

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<v Speaker 1>I was really disappointed by, you know, another team getting

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<v Speaker 1>handsy with the calves, getting overly physical with the calves,

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<v Speaker 1>throwing them off their rhythm, force them, baiting them into turnovers,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, all that all that fun stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And then, uh, you know, not only do they.

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<v Speaker 1>Take control of the game in the second half, they

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<v Speaker 1>took they took control of the game in the exact

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<v Speaker 1>same way that New York took control of the game

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<v Speaker 1>on the defensive end of the floor, which was they

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<v Speaker 1>started holding, grabbing, pushing, shoving, beating the crap out of

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<v Speaker 1>them in a respectful, healthy way. They stopped getting their

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<v Speaker 1>asses kicked on the offensive class the gang rebounded even

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<v Speaker 1>when it wasn't perfect. They were there to help each

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<v Speaker 1>other out. So when one of the biggest couldn't get

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<v Speaker 1>their hands on the ball, they were able to tip

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<v Speaker 1>it to someone else. You know, they just really answered

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<v Speaker 1>the bell with physicality in a way that I was

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<v Speaker 1>really encouraged by. You know, I think if they had

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, blown the doors out off of the

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<v Speaker 1>knicks with the offense, which they certainly did, they had

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<v Speaker 1>a great offensive second half. They put up thirty eight

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<v Speaker 1>and then thirty three points in the third and fourth quarters.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do really feel like the combined in forty

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<v Speaker 1>five second half points was what actually told the story

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<v Speaker 1>of that of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Game for New Year. Yeah. Yeah, And I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the second half story came down to how they played defensively.

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<v Speaker 2>Right when you start getting stops, that helps generate momentum

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<v Speaker 2>for your offense. I thought they played more decisively. I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't as low on the first half as you our

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<v Speaker 2>little kind of running group chat that we have. I

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<v Speaker 2>won't name who wasn't watching in the first half, but

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<v Speaker 2>they said, tell me the story, what's going on is

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<v Speaker 2>as bad as the score? And I said, no, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not as bad as the score. There's things that they

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<v Speaker 2>could clean up, but I felt pretty confident that they

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<v Speaker 2>were going to take a lead. I actually thought they

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<v Speaker 2>were going to take a lead by halftime. I took

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of minutes into the third quarter for that

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<v Speaker 2>to actually come to fruition.

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<v Speaker 1>But there was a difference in style of play first

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<v Speaker 1>half the second half.

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<v Speaker 2>No, there was a difference in style of play. There

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<v Speaker 2>was a difference, you know, in effort. I thought the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest difference between first half and second half was defensive connectivity,

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<v Speaker 2>like and you know, the fifty to fifty plays and

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like that. I thought it was already starting to

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<v Speaker 2>tilt back towards their favor as the first half progressed.

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<v Speaker 2>But I really felt like the defensive continuity was a big,

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<v Speaker 2>big difference because really after the first substitution pattern in

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<v Speaker 2>the first quarter, like when it went to the Garland

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<v Speaker 2>Allen lineup there, I thought that they started to find

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a groove Offensively, I thought coming

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<v Speaker 2>into this game to start the game, it felt very

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<v Speaker 2>similar to some of the Boston games where they just

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<v Speaker 2>did not look assertive. They looked a little out of

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<v Speaker 2>rhythm offensively. They got good shots, but it didn't feel like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>the ball was humming for twelve fifteen seconds here and

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<v Speaker 2>then we got a good shot. It was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>awkward dribbling around. You know, someone created a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of space. We got a nice clean look. It didn't

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<v Speaker 2>go down, But you know, it never really felt like

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<v Speaker 2>there was that rhythm when the Cats have it going.

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<v Speaker 2>It is just so obvious, like there was so much

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<v Speaker 2>energy with you know, the pass is the way that

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<v Speaker 2>they're cutting off ball. I didn't feel that energy. And

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<v Speaker 2>it really did take about six minutes into this game

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<v Speaker 2>for them to start to find that groove and to

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<v Speaker 2>find that rhythm offensively.

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<v Speaker 1>And I do think it was another one of those

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<v Speaker 1>times where the defense kind of, you know, it was

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<v Speaker 1>clear the next game plan was like, hey, we're shorthanded.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't have a lot of our offensive talent on

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<v Speaker 1>the floor. We don't have a lot of the guys

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, like Brunson obviously is the engine for

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<v Speaker 1>their team. But you know, they didn't even have Duce McBride.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they didn't have Mitchell Robinson coming off the

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<v Speaker 1>bench to play back up five for them. So like

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<v Speaker 1>I do think their game plan was, let's try to

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<v Speaker 1>chop the game up and make it ugly. And I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, those first four minutes, the Cavs were getting,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, taken that bait. They were throwing sloppy passes,

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<v Speaker 1>they were not playing as crisp as they needed to.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think you're right that that first sub pattern

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<v Speaker 1>was when the offense started to shift, where you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the first five to ten seconds of the possession could

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<v Speaker 1>be choppy, but they were patient and calm and weren't

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<v Speaker 1>getting sped up. And you know, they had in the

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<v Speaker 1>back half of that first quarter four or five or

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<v Speaker 1>six wide open threes in the corners for guys they

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<v Speaker 1>want taking those shots. Yeah, the DeAndre Hunter in particular

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<v Speaker 1>felt really good in that stretch, and Merrill got a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of really really clean looks there too, So I

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<v Speaker 1>did feel like they answered that. And then once the

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<v Speaker 1>next realized they couldn't just junk the game up, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they had to drop back into their shell, and that

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<v Speaker 1>shell defense is just very easy to beat up at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the day, you know, So I thought

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<v Speaker 1>the offensive process was really really strong. I do think,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it was the perfect storm. I mean, the

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<v Speaker 1>Knicks start the game seven of nine from three, they

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<v Speaker 1>go four of twenty seven us the way from three.

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<v Speaker 1>They end up shooting thirty point six percent from three

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<v Speaker 1>in a game that they started seven of nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Ye. The ESPN Next broadcast brought up that, I think

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<v Speaker 2>they said that they were fifteen of twenty or something

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<v Speaker 2>on contested shots in the first half, and like that

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<v Speaker 2>was just very due for regression. And I really thought that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, to start the game, it was clear that

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<v Speaker 2>they were comfortable sagging off of Josh Hart, they were

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<v Speaker 2>comfortable sagging off of De Lawn. Right, Let's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>jam up the lanes and force them to beat us

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<v Speaker 2>from the outside. And I'm somewhat okay with the approach.

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<v Speaker 2>I you know me, I prefer playing in you know,

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<v Speaker 2>your base defense, play it straight up, especially with the

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<v Speaker 2>personnel that we have. You don't really need to cheat

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<v Speaker 2>a whole bunch. You already have tremendous backline defenders in

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<v Speaker 2>Evan Mobley and Jared Allen, Max Drew, Sterius Garland, Donovan Mitchell.

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<v Speaker 2>They're all going to play their part defensively. I prefer

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<v Speaker 2>kind of playing it straight up because it felt like

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<v Speaker 2>we're sagging off of these guys. Now, these questionable three

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<v Speaker 2>point shooters have hit a couple and we're now it

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<v Speaker 2>almost seemed like they were double guessing what they were

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<v Speaker 2>doing defensively, liked, should I really be you know, sagging

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<v Speaker 2>off of Delon right Josh Hard or should I be

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<v Speaker 2>staying with them all of a sudden, you know, you're

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<v Speaker 2>almost putting yourself into rotation, you know, unnecessarily in those instances.

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<v Speaker 2>And I felt like there just wasn't that defensive continuity.

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<v Speaker 2>And I thought second half it played it more straight up.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, you know we're just going to play, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>pretty solid man a man defense. We're gonna trust our

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<v Speaker 2>guys to do their part. And in particular, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when when the Knicks had to go to their bench

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<v Speaker 2>at times, or you know, they they had to take

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<v Speaker 2>Karl Anthony Towns off the court, they just weren't able

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<v Speaker 2>to generate any offense. And the Cavs were able to

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<v Speaker 2>put athleticism in off the bench with de Andre Hunter,

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<v Speaker 2>Isaaca core Row and really you know, make them feel it. Defensively, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was d H.

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<v Speaker 1>And in our discord, he was talking about about like

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<v Speaker 1>the sagging off to gun up the Knicks offense is

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't work if you're in rotation every single possession, because

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, right might not be a Grade three

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<v Speaker 1>point shooter. Heart might not be a grade three point shooter,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're good enough that you should close out on them.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you're having to close out from the other

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<v Speaker 1>side of the court because you were playing gap coverage

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<v Speaker 1>on him, you know, that's just like you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>just do think it was a bit of a bridge

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<v Speaker 1>too far.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, we saw that on the other end with Isaac Okoro.

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<v Speaker 2>There there was a time where he caught the ball

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was in the first half, where the

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<v Speaker 2>defender came flying out at him, he drove it, he

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<v Speaker 2>kicked it to Javonte Green for an open three. Like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there's an instance where someone that the Knicks

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<v Speaker 2>are probably comfortable with him taking three point shots. We

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<v Speaker 2>saw that going back to the playoffs. But when you're

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<v Speaker 2>that far off, you're you're those closeouts are not going

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<v Speaker 2>to be on balance. You are susceptible to the driving

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<v Speaker 2>kick game. You are susceptible to you know, overall defensive

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<v Speaker 2>breakdowns as a result of that.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, and I do think, like you know, like Doris,

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<v Speaker 1>I think was the one who mentioned the contested shot

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<v Speaker 1>in the first half for New York And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I while I do think they would do for some regression.

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<v Speaker 1>I do think a lot of that was, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>not all contests are are are are made the same.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. I didn't think the first quarter contests were good.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought they were late. I didn't feel it. I

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<v Speaker 2>felt like, you know, we obviously don't have the tracking

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<v Speaker 2>data yet, but I even though they weren't great shooters

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<v Speaker 2>and even though some of those shots were nonsense, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it was Landry Shammitt that hit like a drifting

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<v Speaker 2>one going out of bounds. Josh Hart hit one in

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<v Speaker 2>the second half over Sam Merril where it's like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>like you're throwing up a prayer. You're not a good shooter.

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<v Speaker 2>Sam probably felt like Sammy Osmond in that moment where

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the Josh Hart stepped back on that end

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<v Speaker 2>of the court, but you know, like you make your

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<v Speaker 2>own luck to some extent. And my concern was when

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<v Speaker 2>the offense started to get going in the first quarter,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought we were going to take the lead. I

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<v Speaker 2>still felt good about our ability to win it, particularly

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<v Speaker 2>with the Knicks being on the second night of a

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<v Speaker 2>back to back without Jalen Brunson and everything that they

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<v Speaker 2>had going against them. I felt confident about that, but

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<v Speaker 2>I was also sitting there annoyed, being like they might

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<v Speaker 2>have made it a little more difficult than it needed

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<v Speaker 2>to be because they found a rhythm from three, they

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<v Speaker 2>found their jump shot early. You know you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>have tired legs. But if you see those first few

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<v Speaker 2>shots go down in you know, the second night of

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<v Speaker 2>a back to back, that energy and hey, we actually

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<v Speaker 2>do have a shot tonight. That little bit of adrenaline

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<v Speaker 2>is going to give you a boost in those situations,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly when it's you know, a matchup where the Knicks

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<v Speaker 2>really want to get a win. They know that they

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<v Speaker 2>are completely winless against the Oklahoma City thunder Calves and Celtics,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, they were motivated. They felt like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>we have a chance to steal this one here, And

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it really did. You know, again, show a

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<v Speaker 2>lot that the Calves were able to start the adjustment

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<v Speaker 2>prior to halftime in terms of effort, energy, defensive intensity,

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<v Speaker 2>but then really go into half understand what they were

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<v Speaker 2>starting to do better, and then cranking that up to

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<v Speaker 2>twelve and turning this into a comfortable win. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 2>certainly helped that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you know, Karl Anthony Towns has just never

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<v Speaker 1>been able to help himself with fouls. He was really

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<v Speaker 1>really reckless yet again and always is. There's even that

0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:49.480
<v Speaker 1>play where he's taken it up and just stiff armed

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<v Speaker 1>Max as he was carrying the ball up and didn't

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<v Speaker 1>get called for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there were like three or four that he easily

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<v Speaker 2>could have been called.

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<v Speaker 1>For, you know, and Og obviously like you know, that's

0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:01.480
<v Speaker 1>like that's the risk you run a little bit when

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<v Speaker 1>you're playing a hyper physical defenses, you're gonna get just

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<v Speaker 1>called for some some more handsy fouls. And you saw

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<v Speaker 1>that in the second half of the Cavs all all

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<v Speaker 1>the Cavs starters except Max had at.

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<v Speaker 2>Least three fouls. Web we picked up four.

0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:17.920
<v Speaker 1>Donan picked up at least two just out on the perimeter,

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<v Speaker 1>just being overly aggressive. But I do think like that

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<v Speaker 1>is the difference between you know, the first half contests

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<v Speaker 1>and the second half contests is not only are you

0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:35.000
<v Speaker 1>contesting the shot on release, you're contesting the process of

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<v Speaker 1>the shot. You're contesting the pin down screen, you're contesting

0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:45.160
<v Speaker 1>the catch, you're contesting the dribble, and you're contesting the shot.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is the meaningful difference that like the tracking

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<v Speaker 1>data just isn't going to show you. Is that every

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<v Speaker 1>from the second og Annobe started his action to the

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<v Speaker 1>time he got a shot attempt up, it was annoying

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<v Speaker 1>and hard and and like that is the difference between

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<v Speaker 1>their second half effort. And that's why I like as

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<v Speaker 1>much as I wanted to say, and I you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I was seeing the same game you were. I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of really hard shots going in. I was

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<v Speaker 1>seeing contested shots going I was seeing threes go in.

0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:23.560
<v Speaker 1>I've seeing that Landry Shammitt drifting corner three. But like it,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't love all the work on the road to

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<v Speaker 1>the attempt quite as much, even if they were guarding

0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:35.040
<v Speaker 1>the attempt, Whereas I just felt like, at no point

0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:41.280
<v Speaker 1>did Bridges and Anobi part any of these guys really

0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:44.600
<v Speaker 1>have their two feet under them comfortably and on balance

0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:48.440
<v Speaker 1>on pretty much any of their attempts the entire final,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say, thirty minutes of the game.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm always going to believe your defense prior to

0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:59.000
<v Speaker 2>the shot is much more impactful than the contest itself.

0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:01.840
<v Speaker 2>Like you look at the offseason drills that these guys

0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:04.040
<v Speaker 2>do in training and stuff like that, the trainer is

0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:06.400
<v Speaker 2>usually standing there with the broom or something like that,

0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:09.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, getting an extended hand up in the face

0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:12.760
<v Speaker 2>or blocking your line of sight. It's the rhythm, right,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly when you're talking about basketball. It's all right, this

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<v Speaker 2>is the combination of move, this is my footwork to

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<v Speaker 2>get into this shot. I know what to do from

0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:25.200
<v Speaker 2>this distance, right. A bunch of these guys, I guarantee

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<v Speaker 2>you you tell them where they are on the court

0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:31.400
<v Speaker 2>and you put a blindfold on them, they can probably

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<v Speaker 2>get some shots from those comfort zones for themselves. Someone

0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:38.200
<v Speaker 2>like Lou Dort, who I think is one of the

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<v Speaker 2>best perimeter defenders in the league. It's not because he's

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<v Speaker 2>this big, long guy right like he's he's not the

0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:49.040
<v Speaker 2>tallest player. He's like six' three it probably tops maybe

0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:51.960
<v Speaker 2>five six feet. Wide in terms of, strength he's built

0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:54.840
<v Speaker 2>like a mini. Fridge but what he does to get

0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:57.640
<v Speaker 2>up into your, space to disrupt your rhythm is what

0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:00.960
<v Speaker 2>makes him such a menace. Defensively that's that's what Bothers

0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:05.120
<v Speaker 2>Donovan mitchell Because Donald mitchell can score over long defenders

0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:08.880
<v Speaker 2>as well as anybody. Else but it's that ability to

0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:11.880
<v Speaker 2>really get up in your. Space Tony allen at you,

0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:14.000
<v Speaker 2>know six' two being one of The Best kevin durant

0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:17.720
<v Speaker 2>defenders that. We've seen it's because of the defense prior

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<v Speaker 2>to the shot. Going up and, you know, my, my

0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:25.080
<v Speaker 2>honestly my annoyance with the first. HALF one i just

0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:27.000
<v Speaker 2>like it when the caves, are up so that's always

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<v Speaker 2>going to be part. OF it i was also sitting there, being,

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<v Speaker 2>like well this is going to give some red meat to,

0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:34.840
<v Speaker 2>you know critics that are looking for reasons to pick

0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:35.720
<v Speaker 2>apart the cass right.

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<v Speaker 1>Now there and Here's what i'll say on. That front sorry,

0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:44.920
<v Speaker 1>to interrupt like this would be, Reasonable criticism like we

0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:48.240
<v Speaker 1>can't site he we couldn't go through the Month of

0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:52.640
<v Speaker 1>march and make all these caveats about rest and about

0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:57.000
<v Speaker 1>the travel schedule and then look at our listeners and

0:16:57.040 --> 0:16:59.960
<v Speaker 1>our viewers with a straight face after two days off

0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:05.119
<v Speaker 1>at home with with a team coming off the on

0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:07.640
<v Speaker 1>a road back to back and, be, like ah well

0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:08.280
<v Speaker 1>they just didn't have.

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<v Speaker 2>IT tonight i, don't, know man. It's inexplicable, you know

0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:15.040
<v Speaker 2>all those things that you were worried about are, you

0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:17.520
<v Speaker 2>know coming to fruition and that's why. They lost, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know just write. It off that's Not what i'm, saying.

0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:23.480
<v Speaker 1>Here right it's my first, You Weren't but i'm, just, saying,

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<v Speaker 1>LIKE no I think i would have been really disappointed

0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:30.520
<v Speaker 1>if the first half. Had continued this was THE game

0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:33.520
<v Speaker 1>i thought, They needed they needed to show a.

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<v Speaker 2>Strong PERFORMANCE then i think that was a good clarification,

0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:40.800
<v Speaker 2>by you because that's definitely NOT what i meant. By

0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:46.119
<v Speaker 2>that it's my my frustration Is when i'm, sitting there my, Thought,

0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:50.600
<v Speaker 2>was god we want a statement more Than the calves

0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:53.600
<v Speaker 2>want to make one, right now because you know the

0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:57.960
<v Speaker 2>issues that. THEY have i think all of it is stuff,

0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:01.159
<v Speaker 2>that's Correctable right like when you talk about some of

0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:04.359
<v Speaker 2>the struggles that they've had with defensive, rebounding recently or

0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:07.639
<v Speaker 2>and giving up second, Chance opportunities they've done it before.

0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:10.520
<v Speaker 2>This year they've. Done it they have held very good

0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:13.720
<v Speaker 2>offensive rebounding teams off. The glass when you, talk, about

0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:16.480
<v Speaker 2>oh these you know turnovers that they're giving up To,

0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:19.280
<v Speaker 2>the knicks they had a low turnover game Against The

0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:23.320
<v Speaker 2>Oklahoma city thunder on a national spotlight and won. That

0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:26.320
<v Speaker 2>game they are capable of doing what they need to

0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:29.480
<v Speaker 2>do to win versus any single team in. The league,

0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:33.840
<v Speaker 2>it just, you know in. Certain areas there are structural

0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:37.160
<v Speaker 2>weaknesses with the team because of, the construction just like any,

0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:40.400
<v Speaker 2>other team and they can overcome it when the focus,

0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:42.680
<v Speaker 2>is there when the effort is in the, right places

0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:45.760
<v Speaker 2>and they are executing at a. High level and it

0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:48.439
<v Speaker 2>did not seem like they came out with the you

0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:53.239
<v Speaker 2>know that level of focus and, you know readiness really for.

0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:55.800
<v Speaker 2>This MATCHUP and i was, Sitting there I'm, Like god

0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:58.800
<v Speaker 2>and of course they're struggling in the ways that everyone

0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:01.879
<v Speaker 2>that is looking for reasons to say that it's the

0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:04.720
<v Speaker 2>Same old calves is going to. Jump on and you,

0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:08.040
<v Speaker 2>know what they probably gave enough red meat in that

0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:11.800
<v Speaker 2>first half that people who already feel that way are

0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:14.439
<v Speaker 2>going to still be at. That conclusion you know it's going, to,

0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:16.600
<v Speaker 2>be oh you gave up fifteen rebounds to the offense

0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:19.879
<v Speaker 2>offensive rebounds To. The knicks it goes to show you

0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:23.240
<v Speaker 2>how tough they are in comparison To. The calves there's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be no mention of the fact That the

0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:28.000
<v Speaker 2>calves had fifteen offensive. Rebounds themselves, right like it's we

0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:30.840
<v Speaker 2>get them, by fluke the other team gets it by

0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:34.240
<v Speaker 2>hard and grit and because, We're soft right like it

0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:37.960
<v Speaker 2>was frustrating from, that standpoint and it was also FRUSTRATING

0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:40.200
<v Speaker 2>because i Felt Like evan mobley did not have a good.

0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:43.639
<v Speaker 2>HALF defensively i thought he got pushed off of his

0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:45.960
<v Speaker 2>spot a. FEW times i thought there were other times

0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:48.960
<v Speaker 2>where it was really bad perimeter defense and he was

0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:51.160
<v Speaker 2>put in a. Tough spot but some of those kind

0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:53.760
<v Speaker 2>of one on one situations where, you know six nine

0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:56.080
<v Speaker 2>precious to chew is moving him off of. His spot

0:19:56.720 --> 0:20:00.000
<v Speaker 2>that was frustrating to ME because i Think That evan

0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:03.680
<v Speaker 2>Mobily Deserves defensive player Of the YEAR and i can't.

0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:06.040
<v Speaker 2>Believe that, you know if he has a bad game

0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:08.400
<v Speaker 2>in a, national spotlight or if there is a week

0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:12.120
<v Speaker 2>that isn't, as strong that's going to be outweighing an

0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:16.960
<v Speaker 2>entire season of. His portfolio so that was driving. ME

0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:20.000
<v Speaker 2>nuts i was, sitting here, you know fighting narratives in

0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:22.920
<v Speaker 2>my head in the. First HALF but i did feel

0:20:22.920 --> 0:20:25.000
<v Speaker 2>comfortable that they were going to come out. AND win

0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:27.080
<v Speaker 2>i was just impressed that they came out and won

0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:28.240
<v Speaker 2>as comfortably as. They.

0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:32.399
<v Speaker 1>Did, yeah again it was a total answer to the

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<v Speaker 1>physicality A literal, i mean you could just literally hold

0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:40.000
<v Speaker 1>up a mirror from half to half and show the

0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:44.399
<v Speaker 1>difference in terms of who was dictating, the physicality terms

0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:49.360
<v Speaker 1>who was reaching and grabbing and bumping and annoying and

0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:52.280
<v Speaker 1>like all the, Stuff THAT like, i think Like the

0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:59.320
<v Speaker 1>calves aren't natural jerks to, play against, you KNOW like

0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:02.439
<v Speaker 1>i think they BUT like i do think it was

0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:05.600
<v Speaker 1>a nice statement, of, like no we can do, this

0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:10.240
<v Speaker 1>too and we are better, than you so like we,

0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:12.520
<v Speaker 1>we can, we can we can muck up the game

0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:15.640
<v Speaker 1>for you, and uh and we don't think you can

0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:20.560
<v Speaker 1>sustain that effort. Against US so i JUST thought i

0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:23.880
<v Speaker 1>was really impressed. BY THAT i i Feel like i've

0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:27.960
<v Speaker 1>seen this team answer that kind of hyper physicality in

0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:34.240
<v Speaker 1>the past with cold precision yeap or fun. OFFENSIVE explosions

0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:38.520
<v Speaker 1>i don't Know if i've seen them as MUCH as

0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:43.760
<v Speaker 1>i saw tonight Actively, decide no we're gonna we're gonna rough. You,

0:21:43.960 --> 0:21:48.600
<v Speaker 1>Up yep and, YOU know I want i think we

0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:52.840
<v Speaker 1>have to start the credit, at it, you know when

0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:56.520
<v Speaker 1>talking about individuals in, this Game With, isaac okora who

0:21:57.080 --> 0:22:00.240
<v Speaker 1>had maybe My favorite okoro game of, The, season.

0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:03.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know. YOU'RE right i do think that in

0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:06.600
<v Speaker 2>a lot of times, this Season the cavs have answered

0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:09.639
<v Speaker 2>with precision sometimes you need. That energy sometimes you need to,

0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:12.400
<v Speaker 2>dig deep you need to, you know give that extra

0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:15.600
<v Speaker 2>bit of effort and have, some PHYSICALITY and i Thought

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<v Speaker 2>isaacle coro absolutely brought that to the. Table, tonight honestly

0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:22.960
<v Speaker 2>it's one of my favorite of. Kor games he's had

0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:25.120
<v Speaker 2>ones where he shot better. From three he was only

0:22:25.160 --> 0:22:27.680
<v Speaker 2>one of six tonight five to ten from. The field

0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:34.280
<v Speaker 2>but this is textbook example of how we have been

0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:37.400
<v Speaker 2>saying we want To see isaac o cor use how

0:22:37.440 --> 0:22:40.560
<v Speaker 2>he can make an impact on the game against. A team,

0:22:40.640 --> 0:22:42.960
<v Speaker 2>you know you talk about the debens of the past

0:22:43.160 --> 0:22:46.119
<v Speaker 2>and how people are going to put extra weight on

0:22:46.440 --> 0:22:50.280
<v Speaker 2>this matchup Against the Knicks isaacle coro and how he

0:22:50.320 --> 0:22:52.800
<v Speaker 2>performed it Against the knicks coming off of that injury two.

0:22:52.880 --> 0:22:56.640
<v Speaker 2>Years ago you know that drew a lot. Of criticism

0:22:56.720 --> 0:22:59.160
<v Speaker 2>there was a lot of focus on, you know how

0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:02.679
<v Speaker 2>much attention they were giving. To him people were breaking

0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:05.800
<v Speaker 2>out the rulers to see how much space they were

0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:08.879
<v Speaker 2>sagging off. Of him this is exactly How isaacle corel

0:23:08.960 --> 0:23:12.240
<v Speaker 2>can make an impact on. A game he gainst a

0:23:12.280 --> 0:23:15.240
<v Speaker 2>good team even when the shot. Isn't FALLING and, i thought,

0:23:15.960 --> 0:23:19.879
<v Speaker 2>you know generating the, offensive rebounds, the steels the playmaking

0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:22.840
<v Speaker 2>out of the. Short role this this is the. Hustle

0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:25.359
<v Speaker 2>stats this is the, you know filling the. Box score

0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:27.560
<v Speaker 2>this is the activity that we need to See From

0:23:27.600 --> 0:23:30.159
<v Speaker 2>isaacle corel and that's ultimately going to buy in more

0:23:30.200 --> 0:23:32.840
<v Speaker 2>minutes because if he's playing, like this if the motor

0:23:32.960 --> 0:23:36.200
<v Speaker 2>is running, like this that's, you know That's That josh

0:23:36.240 --> 0:23:39.360
<v Speaker 2>hart type impact coming in off the bench that can

0:23:39.440 --> 0:23:39.840
<v Speaker 2>swing a.

0:23:39.880 --> 0:23:43.240
<v Speaker 1>Playoff game one of my absolute favorite plays of the

0:23:43.240 --> 0:23:46.560
<v Speaker 1>game for him was when he caught the long rebound

0:23:46.560 --> 0:23:49.080
<v Speaker 1>at like the free throw line or like near the

0:23:49.080 --> 0:23:53.120
<v Speaker 1>top of the arc and he turns and he realizes

0:23:53.880 --> 0:23:58.240
<v Speaker 1>in the immediate moment that all four knicks are at

0:23:58.240 --> 0:24:01.399
<v Speaker 1>his level or below the free, throw line and the

0:24:01.680 --> 0:24:05.440
<v Speaker 1>and the only person uh in his Way As Carl.

0:24:05.440 --> 0:24:09.399
<v Speaker 1>Anthony towns and it was one of those interesting PLAYS

0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:12.560
<v Speaker 1>because i Feel like isaac always has been a really strong.

0:24:12.600 --> 0:24:13.080
<v Speaker 2>Transition.

0:24:13.160 --> 0:24:16.520
<v Speaker 1>Player uh he's always been willing to push, an attack

0:24:16.800 --> 0:24:19.280
<v Speaker 1>but normally it's like he catches the ball on the

0:24:19.359 --> 0:24:22.160
<v Speaker 1>move and attacks or or, you know gets an outlet

0:24:22.200 --> 0:24:25.240
<v Speaker 1>and is moving the the the fact that he kind

0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:27.800
<v Speaker 1>of he kind of rebounded with the facing the rim

0:24:28.280 --> 0:24:31.080
<v Speaker 1>facing his, own rim, you know pivoted, was like, OH

0:24:31.119 --> 0:24:34.480
<v Speaker 1>wait i, got, daylight baby and just attacks and and

0:24:34.560 --> 0:24:38.000
<v Speaker 1>gets the layup and, You know towns immediately knew he

0:24:38.080 --> 0:24:43.120
<v Speaker 1>was in, huge trouble uh with and started backpedaling as

0:24:43.160 --> 0:24:47.640
<v Speaker 1>Fast As Carl anthony towns, can backpedal which ain't that

0:24:47.720 --> 0:24:53.800
<v Speaker 1>fast And Uh, AND like i just really loved, that assertiveness,

0:24:53.920 --> 0:24:57.080
<v Speaker 1>that vision that feel for like the moment, of like,

0:24:57.760 --> 0:25:00.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh wait i've Got a i've got. A runway He

0:25:00.320 --> 0:25:05.000
<v Speaker 1>and i'm not in a perfect sprinting, rhythm Already but

0:25:05.080 --> 0:25:08.119
<v Speaker 1>i'm going, To attack i'm going to get the defense,

0:25:08.200 --> 0:25:10.359
<v Speaker 1>back Pedaling and i'm gonna get us a clean look.

0:25:10.440 --> 0:25:13.240
<v Speaker 1>Right now it just felt like another one of those

0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:17.639
<v Speaker 1>moments Where the calves were taking It To. New york and,

0:25:18.240 --> 0:25:20.920
<v Speaker 1>YOU know i Felt like okora was the most emblematic.

0:25:20.960 --> 0:25:25.239
<v Speaker 2>Of, that yeah and that finished in transition was one

0:25:25.280 --> 0:25:28.400
<v Speaker 2>of my favorite finishes that. He's, had obviously my favorite

0:25:28.600 --> 0:25:30.639
<v Speaker 2>is the one Against The houston rockets where he just

0:25:30.720 --> 0:25:33.879
<v Speaker 2>dunked on the. Entire team but like, the touch, The

0:25:33.960 --> 0:25:36.960
<v Speaker 2>CONTROL like I just i love seeing that, from HIM

0:25:37.000 --> 0:25:40.159
<v Speaker 2>and i love seeing him be, this active not only,

0:25:40.240 --> 0:25:43.840
<v Speaker 2>because hey he, you know tipping ball to generate second,

0:25:43.960 --> 0:25:48.600
<v Speaker 2>chance opportunities and, you know doing those kind of impact

0:25:48.640 --> 0:25:50.520
<v Speaker 2>plays and the fifty to fifty stuff that makes such a.

0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:53.199
<v Speaker 2>Big difference BUT what i love about him being on

0:25:53.240 --> 0:25:55.720
<v Speaker 2>the MOVE is i feel like he is such an

0:25:55.760 --> 0:25:58.920
<v Speaker 2>intelligent player and makes such smart reads on. The move

0:25:59.520 --> 0:26:02.920
<v Speaker 2>he just doesn't have an advanced enough dribble to generate

0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:06.160
<v Speaker 2>those opportunities for himself a lot. Of time so when

0:26:06.200 --> 0:26:08.920
<v Speaker 2>he's catching it and, All right i've caught the ball on,

0:26:08.960 --> 0:26:12.240
<v Speaker 2>THE cut i can, you know take two strides and

0:26:12.280 --> 0:26:15.000
<v Speaker 2>go up for, a dunk or if the health defense is,

0:26:15.000 --> 0:26:16.520
<v Speaker 2>Coming here i'm going to make the. Right read i'm

0:26:16.520 --> 0:26:18.240
<v Speaker 2>going to dump it Off To jared Allen Or, evan

0:26:18.280 --> 0:26:20.640
<v Speaker 2>Mobley or i'm going to kick it out. To three

0:26:20.760 --> 0:26:24.399
<v Speaker 2>he can, make reads not, just okay well there's who's

0:26:24.440 --> 0:26:27.399
<v Speaker 2>in the. Dunker spot he'll make some like, cross court

0:26:27.640 --> 0:26:31.399
<v Speaker 2>really really nice passes in. Those situations so getting him on,

0:26:31.440 --> 0:26:35.040
<v Speaker 2>the move, finding him, you know on, the cut with

0:26:35.400 --> 0:26:38.200
<v Speaker 2>how many intelligent Passers the cavs have up and down,

0:26:38.200 --> 0:26:42.320
<v Speaker 2>the lineup it's just a perfect use. Of HIM so

0:26:42.600 --> 0:26:45.280
<v Speaker 2>i was really really excited to see him come out

0:26:45.280 --> 0:26:47.320
<v Speaker 2>and have the type of game that he. Has had

0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:51.199
<v Speaker 2>i've really liked his, minutes recently and and, you know So.

0:26:51.359 --> 0:26:55.320
<v Speaker 1>Was kenny he got asked in, postgame about, you know

0:26:55.400 --> 0:26:58.399
<v Speaker 1>who's really impressing you with their form heading into, the

0:26:58.400 --> 0:27:03.040
<v Speaker 1>Postseason and kenny's first ANSWER Was, o quorra, and uh,

0:27:03.119 --> 0:27:06.560
<v Speaker 1>you know talked about kind of the lull, he, had uh,

0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:10.000
<v Speaker 1>you know just about a month ago where, you Know

0:27:10.200 --> 0:27:12.800
<v Speaker 1>and kenny didn't, say this BUT Where o coral was

0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:15.040
<v Speaker 1>coming back from that shoulder injury and the jumper wasn't

0:27:15.119 --> 0:27:19.080
<v Speaker 1>right and the impact was really really not where it needed,

0:27:19.080 --> 0:27:20.560
<v Speaker 1>to be and he wasn't getting a lot of run

0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:23.560
<v Speaker 1>and it just kind of feels like he's been, chipping

0:27:23.680 --> 0:27:26.879
<v Speaker 1>away chip and away at getting more and more minutes

0:27:26.920 --> 0:27:30.159
<v Speaker 1>and earning his way into into more of these lineups

0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:33.040
<v Speaker 1>where in kind of, proving, that, LIKE hey i don't

0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:36.400
<v Speaker 1>need to, you know hit my two threes to justify

0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:40.560
<v Speaker 1>my existence. Out here i'm, Helpful anyway, and.

0:27:40.560 --> 0:27:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah.

0:27:41.000 --> 0:27:43.359
<v Speaker 1>IT was i thought it was very NOTEWORTHY That o

0:27:43.520 --> 0:27:47.120
<v Speaker 1>coral was the, first, guy Uh that kenny mentioned when

0:27:47.119 --> 0:27:49.280
<v Speaker 1>he was asked about who's, you know showing you that

0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:52.919
<v Speaker 1>they're in, good form, right now especially since, YOU know

0:27:53.000 --> 0:27:54.800
<v Speaker 1>i think both me and you have wondered if he

0:27:54.880 --> 0:27:57.280
<v Speaker 1>was going to be the tenth guy in that, playoff

0:27:57.359 --> 0:27:58.760
<v Speaker 1>rotation and.

0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:02.200
<v Speaker 2>You know he very well may still be heading into,

0:28:02.240 --> 0:28:05.000
<v Speaker 2>the playoffs and, You know kenny's talked about how he

0:28:05.040 --> 0:28:08.359
<v Speaker 2>still anticipates going ten deep going into. The playoffs but

0:28:08.680 --> 0:28:12.159
<v Speaker 2>that can, get trimmed that can who who is whearing

0:28:12.200 --> 0:28:15.280
<v Speaker 2>the rotation can change based on matchups and based. On

0:28:15.359 --> 0:28:18.399
<v Speaker 2>performance the most, important thing, you know if you're a

0:28:18.440 --> 0:28:21.919
<v Speaker 2>reserve IN the nba is reliability in terms of what

0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:24.879
<v Speaker 2>you're bringing to. The table and if isicle, core like,

0:28:25.400 --> 0:28:27.280
<v Speaker 2>you know we Know a dean can bring to. The

0:28:27.280 --> 0:28:29.000
<v Speaker 2>table we Know What DeAndre hunter is going to bring.

0:28:29.080 --> 0:28:31.280
<v Speaker 2>The table you Know What sam merrill's going. To bring if,

0:28:31.320 --> 0:28:35.320
<v Speaker 2>isiccle corel can, you know really, Solidify, that hey when

0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:38.800
<v Speaker 2>you put, me in you're. Getting effort you're you're getting

0:28:38.840 --> 0:28:42.560
<v Speaker 2>blunt forced basketball. Out here you're you're getting someone that's

0:28:42.600 --> 0:28:45.600
<v Speaker 2>going to do all the dirty work and really kind

0:28:45.600 --> 0:28:48.400
<v Speaker 2>of give that that. Maximum effort he's going to give

0:28:48.440 --> 0:28:52.120
<v Speaker 2>himself opportunities to play. Man like sometimes that's exactly, what's

0:28:52.160 --> 0:28:55.440
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0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:58.040
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<v Speaker 1>I Companion oh, isaac okoro what A what a what a?

0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:18.360
<v Speaker 1>Cool run, YOU know i feel like in years past

0:29:18.440 --> 0:29:21.680
<v Speaker 1>it's been one of those, things, where, Oh no isaac's

0:29:21.680 --> 0:29:24.520
<v Speaker 1>going the. Wrong way we're getting near. The postseason are

0:29:24.520 --> 0:29:26.640
<v Speaker 1>we going to be able to count? On him and,

0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:29.480
<v Speaker 1>YOU know i do feel like he's really really showing his,

0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:32.560
<v Speaker 1>value ESPECIALLY and i think both me and you really

0:29:32.600 --> 0:29:33.120
<v Speaker 1>really feel.

0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:35.120
<v Speaker 2>THIS way i don't want to speak for you, too much.

0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:37.560
<v Speaker 1>But like, YOU know i feel like of the two,

0:29:37.600 --> 0:29:41.200
<v Speaker 1>of us you've always been the higher One. On isaac

0:29:41.320 --> 0:29:45.640
<v Speaker 1>i've always been a little bit more skeptical or had.

0:29:45.680 --> 0:29:48.640
<v Speaker 1>More QUESTIONS but i think both of us agree that

0:29:48.800 --> 0:29:53.080
<v Speaker 1>After The DeAndre, Hunter trade isaac's role became much more

0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:58.840
<v Speaker 1>clear and his value became much more important to. The team,

0:29:58.960 --> 0:30:01.600
<v Speaker 1>you know not just because they did a, consolidation trade

0:30:01.800 --> 0:30:04.240
<v Speaker 1>but just because of the things that at His best

0:30:04.280 --> 0:30:07.239
<v Speaker 1>isaac does really really well and how that plugs in

0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:09.320
<v Speaker 1>with the rest of. The TEAM so i, DON'T know

0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:12.719
<v Speaker 1>I just i would love to see him earn that

0:30:12.800 --> 0:30:16.840
<v Speaker 1>eighth ninth man in the rotation in the postseason by

0:30:17.200 --> 0:30:20.640
<v Speaker 1>having more games. Like THIS and i think this is

0:30:21.600 --> 0:30:24.000
<v Speaker 1>one of the things that we've learned through this, regular Season,

0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:27.480
<v Speaker 1>right like Ultimately the cavs goals are going to be,

0:30:27.840 --> 0:30:30.960
<v Speaker 1>you know whether or not this is a successful season

0:30:31.040 --> 0:30:31.840
<v Speaker 1>is going to be defined by.

0:30:31.840 --> 0:30:34.400
<v Speaker 2>The postseason but there are things that you learn along

0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:36.760
<v Speaker 2>the way in the. Regular SEASON and i think one

0:30:36.760 --> 0:30:38.880
<v Speaker 2>of the questions that we've Had For isaaca corral the

0:30:38.960 --> 0:30:41.480
<v Speaker 2>last couple of YEARS that i think we've learned now

0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:45.960
<v Speaker 2>during this regular, season, is hey he's had stretches where

0:30:46.000 --> 0:30:48.880
<v Speaker 2>he's not, you know he looks out, of rhythm and

0:30:48.920 --> 0:30:51.360
<v Speaker 2>then he usually ends up in the starting lineup and

0:30:51.400 --> 0:30:53.480
<v Speaker 2>he usually ends up playing a whole bunch and he

0:30:53.560 --> 0:30:55.640
<v Speaker 2>usually ends up playing really well in, those minutes and

0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:58.520
<v Speaker 2>those lineups work. Really well and our question, has, been

0:30:59.240 --> 0:31:01.600
<v Speaker 2>well is this someone that can't kind of make that

0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:05.240
<v Speaker 2>transition to being a role guy and have the same kind.

0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:08.760
<v Speaker 2>Of impact is this a situation where he really needs

0:31:08.800 --> 0:31:11.479
<v Speaker 2>to have enough minutes to get, himself comfortable which we

0:31:11.560 --> 0:31:15.120
<v Speaker 2>might not be able to get him. Or right or

0:31:15.840 --> 0:31:18.800
<v Speaker 2>is it about having a defined role where he understands

0:31:18.840 --> 0:31:21.280
<v Speaker 2>exactly what's being asked of him when he's in the

0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:24.200
<v Speaker 2>starting lineup and if you were to give him eighteen

0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:26.240
<v Speaker 2>minutes a night coming in off, the bench but he

0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:28.840
<v Speaker 2>knows exactly where he's supposed, To be he's used. More

0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:33.400
<v Speaker 2>creatively he's not just sat in the corner as a

0:31:33.440 --> 0:31:35.560
<v Speaker 2>spot up guy and it's about whether or not he

0:31:35.680 --> 0:31:38.320
<v Speaker 2>hits one or two shots in a game in terms of.

0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:41.600
<v Speaker 2>Offensive impact if he's used in a more, creative way

0:31:41.760 --> 0:31:44.400
<v Speaker 2>if he's given that structure and there is clarity, of

0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:47.560
<v Speaker 2>role can he be someone that makes. An IMPACT and

0:31:47.680 --> 0:31:50.040
<v Speaker 2>i think that we have learned in this regular season,

0:31:50.080 --> 0:31:54.200
<v Speaker 2>that yes that is in fact. The case he seems

0:31:54.240 --> 0:31:56.560
<v Speaker 2>to not only be comfortable in, this role he seems

0:31:56.560 --> 0:31:59.720
<v Speaker 2>to be growing. WITHIN it i really think that he

0:31:59.800 --> 0:32:03.360
<v Speaker 2>is becoming stronger and stronger as a short. ROLE passer

0:32:03.640 --> 0:32:06.320
<v Speaker 2>i think his cuts have. LOOKED better i think, he understands,

0:32:07.200 --> 0:32:10.160
<v Speaker 2>you know the spacing of the team and where he's

0:32:10.200 --> 0:32:12.800
<v Speaker 2>able to take advantage of. THOSE opportunities i think he's

0:32:12.840 --> 0:32:15.400
<v Speaker 2>always had a good sense of where those passing. Lanes

0:32:15.400 --> 0:32:19.080
<v Speaker 2>ARE and i just feel really really, good about, you

0:32:19.080 --> 0:32:24.240
<v Speaker 2>know his trajectory at, this Point because i've continued to hammer.

0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:27.600
<v Speaker 2>THIS point i think sometimes it gets overlooked because he

0:32:27.640 --> 0:32:30.040
<v Speaker 2>came out a, year earlier but he is in fact

0:32:30.040 --> 0:32:33.000
<v Speaker 2>the same Age As, Evan MOBLEY like i don't think

0:32:33.000 --> 0:32:36.280
<v Speaker 2>He Has evan. Mobley, upside obviously, you know people might

0:32:36.360 --> 0:32:39.840
<v Speaker 2>might still hold his draft slot. AGAINST him i will

0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:42.240
<v Speaker 2>continue to say we did not do That With. Tristan

0:32:42.240 --> 0:32:45.160
<v Speaker 2>thompson and in a lot, Of Ways isaac ocor reminds

0:32:45.200 --> 0:32:47.239
<v Speaker 2>me of A Wing tristan thompson in terms of his

0:32:47.320 --> 0:32:50.680
<v Speaker 2>ability to, complete lineups to do the, dirty work to

0:32:50.760 --> 0:32:54.560
<v Speaker 2>be an impactful defender that can defend. Multiple POSITIONS and

0:32:55.120 --> 0:32:57.840
<v Speaker 2>i think for a team that is as deep and

0:32:58.000 --> 0:33:00.920
<v Speaker 2>talented as this cast, team is where, we have, you

0:33:00.960 --> 0:33:04.240
<v Speaker 2>know three guys probably in contention FOR. All nba we

0:33:04.320 --> 0:33:06.760
<v Speaker 2>have four guys That Are all. Star caliber we have

0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:08.880
<v Speaker 2>two guys that are two of the top Three six

0:33:08.920 --> 0:33:11.880
<v Speaker 2>men Of the. Year candidates We Have, max struce who's a.

0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:15.720
<v Speaker 2>Terrific starter that is Seven guys i've. Named already most

0:33:15.800 --> 0:33:18.280
<v Speaker 2>teams don't have seven guys that they, feel really really.

0:33:18.320 --> 0:33:21.800
<v Speaker 2>Confident in and we still have Guys Like, dean wade

0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:24.880
<v Speaker 2>who has made a consistent impact when. He's Available sam

0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:27.800
<v Speaker 2>merril has had a very. Good Season, isaac ocoro is

0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:30.400
<v Speaker 2>you know a twenty four year old glue guy that's still?

0:33:30.440 --> 0:33:34.080
<v Speaker 2>Getting Better i'm i'm very excited about the fact that

0:33:34.120 --> 0:33:37.000
<v Speaker 2>we still have him locked up for the next few

0:33:37.080 --> 0:33:39.480
<v Speaker 2>years and what he can do growing alongside. These.

0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Guys, Yeah absolutely and again you're still seeing the little

0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:48.240
<v Speaker 1>bits and pieces. Of growth i'll bet he didn't have

0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:52.720
<v Speaker 1>twenty possessions in his career before this season as the

0:33:52.840 --> 0:33:56.960
<v Speaker 1>roleman in the pick. And roll, and yeah. It's funny

0:33:57.160 --> 0:33:59.560
<v Speaker 1>you know Those v ball index matrics you never really

0:33:59.640 --> 0:34:01.640
<v Speaker 1>know goes. Into him some of them are a little,

0:34:01.640 --> 0:34:05.479
<v Speaker 1>black boxy but you know they, you know they they

0:34:05.520 --> 0:34:09.800
<v Speaker 1>posted a, you know screening talent ranking and was like

0:34:09.880 --> 0:34:13.360
<v Speaker 1>second or third, and Like and i'm NOT such i.

0:34:13.360 --> 0:34:15.480
<v Speaker 2>Don't know how you measure, Screening, talent like you, KNOW

0:34:15.520 --> 0:34:18.880
<v Speaker 2>what i understand what you're doing as a, role man but,

0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:22.359
<v Speaker 2>you know just quality. OF screens i feel like he's

0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:24.840
<v Speaker 2>a very, good screener so it matches my. High.

0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:27.719
<v Speaker 1>Test, YEAH well i also would imagine part of it

0:34:27.800 --> 0:34:30.640
<v Speaker 1>is like it's just a very, small sample and they've

0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:33.520
<v Speaker 1>been very successful in that, small sample, You know but

0:34:33.719 --> 0:34:36.440
<v Speaker 1>like you really do see like that empty side pick

0:34:36.480 --> 0:34:38.920
<v Speaker 1>and roll where he can kind of just see, you

0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:41.280
<v Speaker 1>know it's kind of between a screen and a slip

0:34:41.760 --> 0:34:45.080
<v Speaker 1>where he seals the other defender kind of on his,

0:34:45.200 --> 0:34:48.440
<v Speaker 1>back hip and, you know he's just so big, and

0:34:48.480 --> 0:34:51.320
<v Speaker 1>strong and he's always been a good finisher at the

0:34:51.400 --> 0:34:54.719
<v Speaker 1>rim by percentage that you know with an with an

0:34:55.080 --> 0:34:59.000
<v Speaker 1>with an empty week side or a or A rumbling

0:34:59.320 --> 0:35:02.640
<v Speaker 1>evan or j either in the dunker spot or coming

0:35:02.719 --> 0:35:06.440
<v Speaker 1>in from the elbow extended for a. Dump OFF like

0:35:06.680 --> 0:35:10.279
<v Speaker 1>i just feel like his reads get really. Really easy the,

0:35:10.640 --> 0:35:13.080
<v Speaker 1>you know the the size and the touch are there.

0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:16.120
<v Speaker 1>For him he doesn't really have to rely on his

0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:19.520
<v Speaker 1>handle because it's just two, three dribble, you know a

0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:23.880
<v Speaker 1>dribble or two, at most and then step step past

0:35:24.000 --> 0:35:27.000
<v Speaker 1>or step, step layup and the reds are just right

0:35:27.000 --> 0:35:28.640
<v Speaker 1>there in front. Of HIM and i think it's really

0:35:29.120 --> 0:35:32.000
<v Speaker 1>hard for teams to deal with because of how well

0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:34.680
<v Speaker 1>the calves are constructed in terms of. Their shooting on

0:35:34.719 --> 0:35:38.440
<v Speaker 1>the other side of, the floor the cheat options just aren't.

0:35:38.719 --> 0:35:43.839
<v Speaker 2>As, Obvious YEAH and i think too often we make

0:35:43.880 --> 0:35:46.960
<v Speaker 2>the assumption that someone is a. Finished product like, You

0:35:46.960 --> 0:35:49.359
<v Speaker 2>Know donovan mitchell is a. Great example he was a

0:35:49.360 --> 0:35:51.680
<v Speaker 2>hell of a player when he Came. To cleveland he

0:35:51.719 --> 0:35:54.640
<v Speaker 2>has gone consistently better these last. Three YEARS like i

0:35:55.440 --> 0:35:59.040
<v Speaker 2>thought he was tremendous, again tonight it really feels like

0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:02.920
<v Speaker 2>he's ROUNDING into i feel great about how. He's playing

0:36:03.239 --> 0:36:06.880
<v Speaker 2>but he has continued to grow his understanding of, the game,

0:36:07.520 --> 0:36:10.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, the nuances his vision as, a passer what

0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:14.960
<v Speaker 2>he's done as a. Defensive, player like he has continuously.

0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:19.600
<v Speaker 2>Gotten BETTER and i was, just thinking, next year when

0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:21.880
<v Speaker 2>we go into, Next Season carter darius is going to

0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:24.040
<v Speaker 2>be the Same age donovan was when he spent his

0:36:24.080 --> 0:36:27.080
<v Speaker 2>first Year. In cleveland like, you know we Think of

0:36:27.120 --> 0:36:29.920
<v Speaker 2>darius as a, finished product but in, all likelihood as

0:36:29.920 --> 0:36:32.040
<v Speaker 2>he enters his physical prime over the next three, four

0:36:32.120 --> 0:36:35.000
<v Speaker 2>years he's going to. Get better look how much you

0:36:35.000 --> 0:36:37.680
<v Speaker 2>know there's an Opportunity For isaacle coro to. Get better

0:36:37.760 --> 0:36:40.839
<v Speaker 2>there is an opportunity Obviously For evan mobley to get

0:36:40.840 --> 0:36:43.600
<v Speaker 2>better who, you know when he's putting it together and

0:36:43.640 --> 0:36:45.920
<v Speaker 2>you see, These stretches, i'm, like yeah there's that path

0:36:46.000 --> 0:36:48.759
<v Speaker 2>to be a, top ten top five player IN the

0:36:48.880 --> 0:36:51.800
<v Speaker 2>nba without a shadow, Of DOUBT like i feel confident.

0:36:51.840 --> 0:36:54.600
<v Speaker 2>About it, and then, YOU know i think the poster

0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:58.000
<v Speaker 2>child for this conversation is Someone Like, jared, allen who,

0:36:58.880 --> 0:37:01.160
<v Speaker 2>you know when he Came to clear even seem like

0:37:01.200 --> 0:37:03.200
<v Speaker 2>as finished of a product as it comes for a.

0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:06.359
<v Speaker 2>Big man but it's, the nuances it's everything else he's

0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:09.840
<v Speaker 2>added to. His game he is just, a smarter better

0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:13.800
<v Speaker 2>player than he's. Ever been and, YOU know i think

0:37:13.880 --> 0:37:17.440
<v Speaker 2>it's important when we do when we talk about, our

0:37:17.480 --> 0:37:21.520
<v Speaker 2>concerns when we say things that we're, nervous about and, we,

0:37:21.600 --> 0:37:24.080
<v Speaker 2>say oh, you know we got to Give the cavs

0:37:24.080 --> 0:37:26.520
<v Speaker 2>the benefit of the doubt that they know what's best

0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:29.200
<v Speaker 2>physically and things. LIKE that i think we got to

0:37:29.239 --> 0:37:31.640
<v Speaker 2>do That with JARED because, i was, YOU know i

0:37:31.680 --> 0:37:34.719
<v Speaker 2>was worried with him playing with that. Hand wrap it's

0:37:34.719 --> 0:37:38.080
<v Speaker 2>been off for the last, few games, you, Know, wondering,

0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:41.000
<v Speaker 2>okay well could he benefit from some time off or

0:37:41.040 --> 0:37:43.280
<v Speaker 2>is this something that it could? Get worse. With playing

0:37:43.960 --> 0:37:46.040
<v Speaker 2>it does not look like it got worse. Through playing

0:37:46.160 --> 0:37:49.640
<v Speaker 2>he's not playing with the. Rap anymore and when you look, at,

0:37:49.640 --> 0:37:53.040
<v Speaker 2>it man twenty one of his last twenty three shots have.

0:37:53.120 --> 0:37:56.520
<v Speaker 2>Gone In jared allen has. Been awesome he has. Been awesome.

0:37:56.640 --> 0:37:59.400
<v Speaker 2>You know in a Matchup, against zubach he's. Been awesome

0:37:59.600 --> 0:38:02.600
<v Speaker 2>now a Matchup Against Karl. Anthony towns he put him

0:38:02.640 --> 0:38:05.880
<v Speaker 2>down into the, front row which. Was Tremendous jared allen

0:38:05.920 --> 0:38:08.719
<v Speaker 2>has been bawling his butt off and it's been a

0:38:08.719 --> 0:38:10.759
<v Speaker 2>lot of fun. To watch i'll do you, one.

0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:13.680
<v Speaker 1>Better brother he's thirty one of thirty four from the

0:38:13.680 --> 0:38:16.000
<v Speaker 1>field in his last three. Home games oh. My god

0:38:17.160 --> 0:38:20.480
<v Speaker 1>Because that spurs game he also went in ten of

0:38:20.480 --> 0:38:21.120
<v Speaker 1>eleven from.

0:38:21.160 --> 0:38:24.600
<v Speaker 2>The field seems. Pretty good this is getting back to

0:38:24.640 --> 0:38:27.319
<v Speaker 2>that you know stretch where he had more blocks. Than,

0:38:27.360 --> 0:38:29.040
<v Speaker 2>misshots oh that was a lot.

0:38:29.120 --> 0:38:32.120
<v Speaker 1>Of fun, you know he don't need too many blocks

0:38:32.160 --> 0:38:37.600
<v Speaker 1>honestly in that stretch to. Get, there yeah he's just.

0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:43.200
<v Speaker 1>Been unbelievable another really really GREAT game. I loved, you

0:38:43.239 --> 0:38:45.560
<v Speaker 1>know another guy who really answered the bell from a.

0:38:45.600 --> 0:38:52.480
<v Speaker 1>Physicality perspective, you Know Every Carl anthony towns catch, was

0:38:52.600 --> 0:38:59.360
<v Speaker 1>contested and he really made him square up, and fight,

0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:02.880
<v Speaker 1>you know fight to, catch it fight to get, squared

0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:06.840
<v Speaker 1>up fight. To Attack and towns had a really ugly. Second,

0:39:06.920 --> 0:39:11.319
<v Speaker 1>half honestly he had seven turnovers in. This game, you

0:39:11.360 --> 0:39:14.600
<v Speaker 1>know he certainly made a, few buckets but, like overall

0:39:14.719 --> 0:39:17.799
<v Speaker 1>was not the level of impactful he was in the.

0:39:17.800 --> 0:39:21.239
<v Speaker 1>First half didn't, you know got most of his buckets were,

0:39:21.280 --> 0:39:26.520
<v Speaker 1>tipping buckets, you know wasn't able to get they didn't

0:39:26.520 --> 0:39:29.120
<v Speaker 1>have to, send help so he wasn't able to really create,

0:39:29.160 --> 0:39:32.239
<v Speaker 1>for others which is really important for them without runs. In,

0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:37.040
<v Speaker 1>there yeah, JUST overall i JUST thought I thought jared

0:39:37.200 --> 0:39:42.799
<v Speaker 1>Handily outplayed towns in, this one and you know in, That,

0:39:42.880 --> 0:39:44.680
<v Speaker 1>CONSTRUCT yeah i.

0:39:45.080 --> 0:39:48.279
<v Speaker 2>Totally agree it's just. A shot I thought jared. WAS

0:39:48.719 --> 0:39:51.360
<v Speaker 2>terrific i. Thought mobiley, YOU know i MENTIONED that i

0:39:51.360 --> 0:39:53.200
<v Speaker 2>didn't love his. FIRST half i thought his second half

0:39:53.280 --> 0:39:54.719
<v Speaker 2>was a. LOT better i still would have liked to

0:39:54.800 --> 0:39:57.040
<v Speaker 2>have seen a more assertive game. FROM him i thought

0:39:57.120 --> 0:39:59.480
<v Speaker 2>he was floating a, little bit but he made some

0:39:59.520 --> 0:40:02.960
<v Speaker 2>really great, plays DEFENSIVELY and i felt his impact more

0:40:02.960 --> 0:40:06.960
<v Speaker 2>in the. Second half great stat from the broadcast Where

0:40:06.960 --> 0:40:09.719
<v Speaker 2>the knicks had won seventy one straight games when they

0:40:09.760 --> 0:40:12.960
<v Speaker 2>went up. By fifteen not only Did the knicks not win,

0:40:13.000 --> 0:40:15.760
<v Speaker 2>this game they lost. By twenty so that was. Pretty

0:40:15.760 --> 0:40:18.560
<v Speaker 2>fun that's a pretty fun way to kill, a very very.

0:40:18.560 --> 0:40:21.439
<v Speaker 2>IMPRESSIVE streak i should have said this at, the top

0:40:21.480 --> 0:40:24.680
<v Speaker 2>But the calves have won sixty. One games their magic

0:40:24.760 --> 0:40:27.400
<v Speaker 2>number to clinch the number one seed In The eastern

0:40:27.440 --> 0:40:30.360
<v Speaker 2>conference is now down. To two Is The boston celtics

0:40:30.400 --> 0:40:33.520
<v Speaker 2>lost at home To The. Miami heat it's probably worth

0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:36.240
<v Speaker 2>noting they only have to win one more game Against

0:40:36.280 --> 0:40:39.560
<v Speaker 2>the East because boston got another loss Against The eastern

0:40:39.560 --> 0:40:42.439
<v Speaker 2>conference While the calves got. To win they do play

0:40:42.440 --> 0:40:45.840
<v Speaker 2>two teams From the West In san antonio And The,

0:40:45.880 --> 0:40:48.919
<v Speaker 2>sacramento kings so it's very possible that the magic number

0:40:49.000 --> 0:40:51.759
<v Speaker 2>kicks in Before that east. Number does but they have

0:40:51.880 --> 0:40:55.480
<v Speaker 2>pretty much locked up that number. One seed carter sixty

0:40:55.520 --> 0:41:00.200
<v Speaker 2>one wins ties the second highest marke in caz. Franchise history,

0:41:00.400 --> 0:41:03.600
<v Speaker 2>Pop quiz do you know who was starting for the Sixty?

0:41:03.640 --> 0:41:06.560
<v Speaker 1>ONE cavaliers i DO because I. Watched twitter you just

0:41:06.600 --> 0:41:09.239
<v Speaker 1>want to? Tell, everyone, Okay Sorry.

0:41:09.000 --> 0:41:14.080
<v Speaker 2>Mo WILLIAMS who, i loved Absolutely. Loved Williams, anthony PARKER

0:41:14.280 --> 0:41:17.839
<v Speaker 2>who i really, you know came just a couple of years.

0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:19.440
<v Speaker 2>TOO late i loved him as a three and. D

0:41:19.520 --> 0:41:21.719
<v Speaker 2>wing i thought he did a lot of good Things.

0:41:21.719 --> 0:41:24.360
<v Speaker 2>In toronto wasn't as Great, in cleveland but you know

0:41:24.440 --> 0:41:29.600
<v Speaker 2>he had. His Moments, lebron james, OF Course jj Hickson and.

0:41:29.680 --> 0:41:34.120
<v Speaker 1>Shaquille O'Neal i'll tell, You What lebron james was really good.

0:41:34.160 --> 0:41:42.759
<v Speaker 2>Back then that would be, my takeaway, you know that's part.

0:41:42.760 --> 0:41:45.560
<v Speaker 2>OF it i, will ARGUE like, I think i think

0:41:45.560 --> 0:41:48.520
<v Speaker 2>the pieces fit really well in those sixty six sixty one.

0:41:48.560 --> 0:41:51.680
<v Speaker 2>WIN teams i think sometimes when we look back, at

0:41:51.719 --> 0:41:54.439
<v Speaker 2>it we forget about how good certain role. PLAYERS were

0:41:55.080 --> 0:41:58.760
<v Speaker 2>i think it also, matters that, you know teams overall

0:41:58.880 --> 0:42:02.239
<v Speaker 2>just weren't. As, good, LIKE yeah i think the overall

0:42:02.280 --> 0:42:04.319
<v Speaker 2>standard for what a role player needs to do in

0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:06.960
<v Speaker 2>today's game is so much higher than it was back then,

0:42:07.320 --> 0:42:10.520
<v Speaker 2>that sometimes, you know we discredit those teams a little.

0:42:10.560 --> 0:42:15.760
<v Speaker 2>Too much, but yeah that's that's that's quite a trip now. Memory.

0:42:15.840 --> 0:42:18.560
<v Speaker 1>LANE yeah, i mean you look at some of these

0:42:18.600 --> 0:42:21.839
<v Speaker 1>teams that are like playing, quality TEAMS and i just

0:42:22.520 --> 0:42:25.040
<v Speaker 1>Today and, i'm, like man that team would be a.

0:42:25.080 --> 0:42:31.280
<v Speaker 1>Five seed, you know think About Those Gilbert arenas. Wizards

0:42:31.360 --> 0:42:35.680
<v Speaker 1>teams those feel like they would be, like, eleven twelve

0:42:35.800 --> 0:42:39.760
<v Speaker 1>thirteen seed teams in THE, modern nba just because everyone

0:42:39.840 --> 0:42:42.040
<v Speaker 1>is so freaking good up and down.

0:42:42.080 --> 0:42:42.160
<v Speaker 2>The.

0:42:42.239 --> 0:42:47.360
<v Speaker 1>Roster yeah that team also Had a, Calvs Legend. LEON

0:42:47.480 --> 0:42:49.719
<v Speaker 1>poe I loved LEON.

0:42:49.520 --> 0:42:51.640
<v Speaker 2>Po i was that was My first that was my first,

0:42:51.680 --> 0:42:58.799
<v Speaker 2>sports Autograph Reallys darnel jackson that that season was the

0:42:58.840 --> 0:43:00.800
<v Speaker 2>first TIME that i ever got to See the cavs.

0:43:00.800 --> 0:43:05.440
<v Speaker 2>Play live that early season Game. Against, Minnesota unfortunately delante

0:43:05.480 --> 0:43:08.160
<v Speaker 2>was suspended. FOR it i really wanted To, see Delante

0:43:08.640 --> 0:43:10.920
<v Speaker 2>But leon poe, wasn't active but he was walking out of.

0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:13.400
<v Speaker 2>The TUNNEL so i got him to Sign My minnesota

0:43:13.400 --> 0:43:16.360
<v Speaker 2>timberwolves game ticket because that was the ONLY thing i

0:43:16.360 --> 0:43:19.920
<v Speaker 2>had on me. To sign, oh, Yeah brother yeah that.

0:43:20.000 --> 0:43:23.640
<v Speaker 2>Was fun, but man it, felt great, you know to

0:43:24.000 --> 0:43:27.640
<v Speaker 2>get this win Against the. Knicks again it does still

0:43:27.680 --> 0:43:29.480
<v Speaker 2>feel Like the cavs just kind of want to get to.

0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:34.480
<v Speaker 2>The playoffs. YOU know i think there's been issues getting

0:43:34.560 --> 0:43:37.479
<v Speaker 2>up for some of these games and giving a full forty.

0:43:37.520 --> 0:43:39.239
<v Speaker 2>EIGHT minutes i thought they gave a full forty eight

0:43:39.239 --> 0:43:43.200
<v Speaker 2>Against the, Clippers tonight i'd, probably say, you know maybe around,

0:43:43.200 --> 0:43:49.040
<v Speaker 2>thirty Six the cavs were really looking. Like themselves but,

0:43:50.000 --> 0:43:53.319
<v Speaker 2>it really it hasn't shaken my confidence in what this team.

0:43:53.360 --> 0:43:56.799
<v Speaker 2>CAN be i think that what they are and what

0:43:56.840 --> 0:43:59.759
<v Speaker 2>they are capable of accomplishing is right there ON the

0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:02.880
<v Speaker 2>i think it's. REALLY clear i love the fact that

0:44:02.920 --> 0:44:05.480
<v Speaker 2>the Both the guards have been playing. Better lately jared's

0:44:05.480 --> 0:44:08.200
<v Speaker 2>been looking, Really good evans looked, Really Good.

0:44:08.800 --> 0:44:11.800
<v Speaker 1>Matt darius WAS really, I mean darius had a, quiet

0:44:11.840 --> 0:44:16.400
<v Speaker 1>game but he was. THE reason, i, MEAN obviously i

0:44:16.440 --> 0:44:18.680
<v Speaker 1>don't want to take credit Away, from jared who did all,

0:44:18.680 --> 0:44:22.200
<v Speaker 1>the SCORING but i Felt like darius was the engine

0:44:22.200 --> 0:44:24.520
<v Speaker 1>for why the game got out of hand in the,

0:44:24.560 --> 0:44:28.440
<v Speaker 1>Fourth quarter like it was. Just clean look every single

0:44:28.480 --> 0:44:31.799
<v Speaker 1>possession down, the floor and it was, him orchestrating just

0:44:31.880 --> 0:44:35.160
<v Speaker 1>Torturing Poor Karl anthony towns in the pick. And roll,

0:44:36.400 --> 0:44:40.120
<v Speaker 1>and yeah he got. Found everywhere button was available to

0:44:40.160 --> 0:44:41.640
<v Speaker 1>them whenever, they wanted and.

0:44:41.719 --> 0:44:44.920
<v Speaker 2>He got anywhere he wanted the. Entire NIGHT like, i thought,

0:44:44.960 --> 0:44:46.799
<v Speaker 2>you know whether It was delon right, on him whether

0:44:46.800 --> 0:44:50.400
<v Speaker 2>It Was, mikhail bridges, you know no matter who the,

0:44:50.400 --> 0:44:52.279
<v Speaker 2>MATCHUP was i thought he did a really good job

0:44:52.320 --> 0:44:55.600
<v Speaker 2>getting into, the paint generating good looks for himself. And

0:44:55.640 --> 0:44:58.520
<v Speaker 2>others nice, to see, you know the finishing, was there

0:44:58.600 --> 0:45:01.560
<v Speaker 2>the floaters. WERE dropping i thought there was a lot

0:45:01.600 --> 0:45:03.800
<v Speaker 2>of passes that led to, you know the the the

0:45:04.640 --> 0:45:08.200
<v Speaker 2>pass that got. THE assist i just thought it was

0:45:08.239 --> 0:45:10.440
<v Speaker 2>a really really good game. From Him and donovan. Was

0:45:10.440 --> 0:45:13.680
<v Speaker 2>phenomenal like, you know we we probably should have talked

0:45:13.719 --> 0:45:15.719
<v Speaker 2>about him earlier in. The podcast maybe this is one

0:45:15.760 --> 0:45:17.759
<v Speaker 2>of those instances where we take how great he is,

0:45:17.760 --> 0:45:21.360
<v Speaker 2>For GRANTED but i really Thought that donovan was. Terrific,

0:45:21.400 --> 0:45:25.160
<v Speaker 2>tonight yeah HE just i thought his control of the

0:45:25.200 --> 0:45:28.799
<v Speaker 2>game was just really. Really, strong yeah it Was a

0:45:28.960 --> 0:45:32.080
<v Speaker 2>i'm going to walk to my spots kind of night.

0:45:32.160 --> 0:45:35.759
<v Speaker 2>For him and understanding the, moment too like he you

0:45:35.800 --> 0:45:38.479
<v Speaker 2>could tell like he felt when that momentum. Was going

0:45:38.520 --> 0:45:42.360
<v Speaker 2>he's playing to the crowd like he he understood the

0:45:42.400 --> 0:45:45.759
<v Speaker 2>moment the, entire night and, you know those big kind

0:45:45.760 --> 0:45:48.279
<v Speaker 2>of momentum, swing shots he seemed to hit all.

0:45:48.320 --> 0:45:50.680
<v Speaker 1>Of THEM and i love that he picked up those

0:45:50.680 --> 0:45:53.640
<v Speaker 1>two thousand in the third Quarter Of like, I'm working

0:45:54.280 --> 0:45:57.400
<v Speaker 1>i'm gonna be too rough at the point. Of attack

0:45:57.440 --> 0:46:02.200
<v Speaker 1>i'm gonna be too rough riding, you know Bridges or ananobe.

0:46:02.360 --> 0:46:06.040
<v Speaker 1>Going around also really liked the Play where anonobe was

0:46:06.040 --> 0:46:08.880
<v Speaker 1>trying to post him and he kind of just stonewalled

0:46:08.960 --> 0:46:12.480
<v Speaker 1>him right on, the block, you know used, that length

0:46:12.920 --> 0:46:17.319
<v Speaker 1>used his core strength to not move and forced up

0:46:17.320 --> 0:46:21.439
<v Speaker 1>an ugly Miss. FOR antonobe i JUST thought i thought

0:46:21.440 --> 0:46:25.520
<v Speaker 1>he was really really. Tough, tonight yeah and and was

0:46:25.560 --> 0:46:28.279
<v Speaker 1>one of the GUYS who i. Thought most, YOU know

0:46:28.360 --> 0:46:30.439
<v Speaker 1>i thought Him and max were the guys who really

0:46:30.560 --> 0:46:33.200
<v Speaker 1>jumped out at me as like like we're going to

0:46:33.280 --> 0:46:36.319
<v Speaker 1>rough them up in the. Second, half yeah, You know

0:46:36.400 --> 0:46:38.600
<v Speaker 1>max's first HALF shift i thought was, Really rough but

0:46:38.680 --> 0:46:40.759
<v Speaker 1>the SECOND half, i thought, you know he came out

0:46:40.760 --> 0:46:44.319
<v Speaker 1>and really showed some of that toughness, and physicality And

0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:46.640
<v Speaker 1>alongside donnie and they both answered.

0:46:46.640 --> 0:46:49.480
<v Speaker 2>The. Bell. Yeah yeah for, first half the starters were

0:46:49.560 --> 0:46:53.160
<v Speaker 2>outscored by eight minus eighty net rating according To. Pivot

0:46:53.160 --> 0:46:55.440
<v Speaker 2>faate second half the Outscore the knicks by ten with

0:46:55.440 --> 0:46:58.200
<v Speaker 2>a plus ninety one, net rating so a lot better

0:46:58.560 --> 0:47:01.759
<v Speaker 2>for that. Starting lineup we also got five minutes Of

0:47:01.800 --> 0:47:04.520
<v Speaker 2>the core four Along With, DeAndre hunter which was really nice.

0:47:04.520 --> 0:47:06.480
<v Speaker 2>To see they Outscored the knicks by eight in, those

0:47:06.520 --> 0:47:09.719
<v Speaker 2>minutes so, you know it's nice to get a little

0:47:09.760 --> 0:47:12.000
<v Speaker 2>bit of. Run there coming into, THIS game i was

0:47:12.000 --> 0:47:15.319
<v Speaker 2>looking at the cleaning the glass possession stats And the

0:47:15.320 --> 0:47:18.480
<v Speaker 2>core Four With sam merrill had played one possession fewer

0:47:18.520 --> 0:47:21.880
<v Speaker 2>Than the core Floor With. DeAndre Hunter As kenny atkinson

0:47:21.920 --> 0:47:27.440
<v Speaker 2>said Recently To, jackson flickinger, you know that's that Grouping

0:47:27.480 --> 0:47:29.439
<v Speaker 2>With DeAndre hunter is something that he wanted to see

0:47:29.440 --> 0:47:31.120
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more of down, the stretch even though

0:47:31.160 --> 0:47:33.440
<v Speaker 2>there isn't. Many games so it's nice, to see, you

0:47:33.440 --> 0:47:37.240
<v Speaker 2>know another five minutes of that group not only playing,

0:47:37.280 --> 0:47:40.840
<v Speaker 2>well together but, you know getting some run and getting

0:47:40.840 --> 0:47:43.359
<v Speaker 2>it done against a. Good, team yeah they, played very.

0:47:43.520 --> 0:47:44.840
<v Speaker 2>Very well they got into the paint.

0:47:44.880 --> 0:47:47.640
<v Speaker 1>REALLY well i, JUST yeah i know we're kind of

0:47:47.800 --> 0:47:50.400
<v Speaker 1>doing a little bit of a box score recap, right now, but,

0:47:50.600 --> 0:47:52.880
<v Speaker 1>LIKE yeah i Also thought hunter.

0:47:52.840 --> 0:47:54.440
<v Speaker 2>Ties into our macro thoughts we've been.

0:47:54.440 --> 0:47:57.279
<v Speaker 1>TALKING about i Thought the hunter had an excellent game

0:47:57.480 --> 0:48:01.760
<v Speaker 1>and he didn't have like an eye popping. Box score

0:48:01.840 --> 0:48:04.759
<v Speaker 1>sixteen points on six of eleven from, the field two

0:48:04.760 --> 0:48:07.160
<v Speaker 1>of five. From three he hit those two important threes

0:48:07.239 --> 0:48:09.799
<v Speaker 1>just to keep. Us connected in the, first half only,

0:48:09.840 --> 0:48:13.319
<v Speaker 1>two boards no assists, one steal so, you, go wow

0:48:14.480 --> 0:48:16.400
<v Speaker 1>was it just kind of an empty? Calories GAME and

0:48:16.480 --> 0:48:16.799
<v Speaker 1>i don't.

0:48:16.840 --> 0:48:17.160
<v Speaker 2>THINK so.

0:48:17.360 --> 0:48:20.360
<v Speaker 1>I thought i thought he was, generally very very helpful

0:48:20.400 --> 0:48:23.560
<v Speaker 1>in the defensive end of. THE ball i thought. HIS

0:48:23.800 --> 0:48:28.160
<v Speaker 1>drives i really liked his commitment to getting all the

0:48:28.160 --> 0:48:31.760
<v Speaker 1>way to the cup on his, DRIVES tonight a couple.

0:48:31.880 --> 0:48:35.279
<v Speaker 1>Really nice you're closing out on Me and i'm going

0:48:35.360 --> 0:48:38.080
<v Speaker 1>to go all the way and either, you, know uh

0:48:38.239 --> 0:48:41.520
<v Speaker 1>there was that one wack where were precious fouled the

0:48:41.520 --> 0:48:41.920
<v Speaker 1>hell out of.

0:48:41.920 --> 0:48:43.360
<v Speaker 2>Him and he didn't get to the LINE that i

0:48:43.360 --> 0:48:44.000
<v Speaker 2>couldn't believe.

0:48:44.000 --> 0:48:46.840
<v Speaker 1>That, one YEAH but i just liked his process attacking

0:48:46.840 --> 0:48:50.839
<v Speaker 1>the hoop a. LOT tonight i think sometimes he goes

0:48:50.840 --> 0:48:54.319
<v Speaker 1>to that floater, a little, you know he leans on

0:48:54.360 --> 0:48:57.239
<v Speaker 1>that floater when he just really should take that one

0:48:57.320 --> 0:49:01.000
<v Speaker 1>extra step and use all that length at a cleaner angle.

0:49:01.320 --> 0:49:03.040
<v Speaker 1>To FINISH and i thought he really did a nice

0:49:03.120 --> 0:49:03.360
<v Speaker 1>job of.

0:49:03.400 --> 0:49:06.239
<v Speaker 2>That. TONIGHT yeah i thought those two threes that he

0:49:06.320 --> 0:49:09.000
<v Speaker 2>hit it in the first quarter were. Incredibly important, right

0:49:09.120 --> 0:49:15.040
<v Speaker 2>like early game scoring often feels more significant than, It Is,

0:49:15.160 --> 0:49:18.440
<v Speaker 2>right like when you're down twelve to, to four it

0:49:18.719 --> 0:49:21.880
<v Speaker 2>feels like it's an insurmountable mount and at times when

0:49:21.920 --> 0:49:24.879
<v Speaker 2>it's really just an eight, point game but hitting those

0:49:24.920 --> 0:49:27.760
<v Speaker 2>shots on the other end and cutting into that deficit

0:49:27.840 --> 0:49:31.200
<v Speaker 2>can make a. Big DIFFERENCE and, i, think no it's

0:49:31.400 --> 0:49:33.640
<v Speaker 2>one of the reasons why it was so important that

0:49:33.760 --> 0:49:36.480
<v Speaker 2>they went out And Got DeAndre hunter because having someone

0:49:36.480 --> 0:49:39.120
<v Speaker 2>that can hit those shots that isn't, You Know darius

0:49:39.160 --> 0:49:43.240
<v Speaker 2>Garland Or donovan mitchell or, you Know even maxtius who

0:49:44.000 --> 0:49:46.640
<v Speaker 2>can be a bit of a. STREAKY shooter i think

0:49:46.640 --> 0:49:48.960
<v Speaker 2>it's so important to have another guy like that that's

0:49:49.040 --> 0:49:51.279
<v Speaker 2>going to be able to hit shots even when the

0:49:51.360 --> 0:49:54.680
<v Speaker 2>offense isn't clicking at the. Highest level when, you know

0:49:54.800 --> 0:49:57.279
<v Speaker 2>we didn't really get the defense in. A rotation it's

0:49:57.320 --> 0:49:59.239
<v Speaker 2>a bit of a, lake contest but, you know you've

0:49:59.239 --> 0:50:01.680
<v Speaker 2>got to. High release you're a confidence shooter in, these

0:50:01.680 --> 0:50:04.640
<v Speaker 2>spots and we trust you to knock. It down having

0:50:04.719 --> 0:50:08.120
<v Speaker 2>another guy like that is just. So important that's one

0:50:08.160 --> 0:50:10.800
<v Speaker 2>of those elements that they just did not have in previous.

0:50:10.800 --> 0:50:14.359
<v Speaker 1>Playoff, series yeah you just, gotta say sometimes you just

0:50:14.440 --> 0:50:17.200
<v Speaker 1>got to hang on for, dear life and Guys Like

0:50:17.239 --> 0:50:18.480
<v Speaker 1>DeAndre hunter will help you do.

0:50:18.520 --> 0:50:21.800
<v Speaker 2>That absolutely and, you know sometimes teams are going to

0:50:21.840 --> 0:50:23.399
<v Speaker 2>punch you in. The mouth that doesn't mean you can't

0:50:23.400 --> 0:50:26.120
<v Speaker 2>come back and punch them. Right BACK as i said at,

0:50:26.120 --> 0:50:29.400
<v Speaker 2>the top fifteen offensive rebounds For, the knicks fifteen For.

0:50:29.480 --> 0:50:32.800
<v Speaker 2>The calves they won the turnover battle fourteen to thirteen

0:50:32.840 --> 0:50:36.719
<v Speaker 2>despite their, early turnovers and they won the points in

0:50:36.760 --> 0:50:40.520
<v Speaker 2>the paint battle sixty four to. Fifty two they Outwork

0:50:40.560 --> 0:50:43.280
<v Speaker 2>the knicks in the, second half and in, my opinion outwork.

0:50:43.360 --> 0:50:46.279
<v Speaker 2>Them overall really really nice to see them Answer the

0:50:46.280 --> 0:50:46.560
<v Speaker 2>bell in.

0:50:46.600 --> 0:50:49.080
<v Speaker 1>That, way yeah and, YOU know i don't want to

0:50:49.160 --> 0:50:52.160
<v Speaker 1>over Index again nix on the second half of back,

0:50:52.200 --> 0:50:54.040
<v Speaker 1>To Back, no brownson, et cetera, et cetera.

0:50:54.080 --> 0:50:55.520
<v Speaker 2>Et cetera THAT'S why.

0:50:55.320 --> 0:50:57.799
<v Speaker 1>I think like the vibe and the energy is what

0:50:57.880 --> 0:51:00.440
<v Speaker 1>matters to me a lot more than. The result proud

0:51:00.440 --> 0:51:03.800
<v Speaker 1>of their the intentionality with which they Answered.

0:51:03.800 --> 0:51:07.600
<v Speaker 2>That bell, totally agree and, you know winning in multiple ways.

0:51:07.719 --> 0:51:11.000
<v Speaker 2>Is important last time that we played Them With, jalen

0:51:11.040 --> 0:51:15.319
<v Speaker 2>brunson we smoked them with execution, right like we picked them.

0:51:15.320 --> 0:51:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Apart offensively it. Was methodical we beat them. By forty

0:51:19.080 --> 0:51:22.680
<v Speaker 2>it felt, great winning, you know through physicality in. This

0:51:22.760 --> 0:51:25.719
<v Speaker 2>matchup that feels pretty good, as well especially for a

0:51:25.760 --> 0:51:28.520
<v Speaker 2>cast team that hasn't been playing their best basketball as.

0:51:28.560 --> 0:51:31.600
<v Speaker 2>Of late but, you know magic number down to two

0:51:31.800 --> 0:51:34.000
<v Speaker 2>calves on the verge of locking up the number one

0:51:34.000 --> 0:51:36.480
<v Speaker 2>seed In The. Eastern conference really excited to see what

0:51:36.520 --> 0:51:39.120
<v Speaker 2>they do Against the Spurs. And kings we will be

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