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Speaker 2: the Pacers are a sneaky good team. I know they're
Speaker 2: facing a banged up Bucks team without Dame Lillard, but
Speaker 2: they win nuggets and overtime over the Clippers. The Knicks,
Speaker 2: I thought they were going to lose to the Pistons,
Speaker 2: and then there was a twenty one to notzhering run
Speaker 2: and the Knicks survive Game one, the Timberwolves over the Lakers,
Speaker 2: and then yesterday the Thunder beat the grizz by fifty
Speaker 2: one points. That's the largest Game one victory margin of
Speaker 2: victory in NBA history. Fifty one points, the largest in
Speaker 2: a playoff game since twenty fifteen. And you're watching the
Speaker 2: game and I felt bad for Mike Breen, he's the
Speaker 2: play by play voice, and I'm going, Mike, you're gonna
Speaker 2: have to do some Phil You're gonna have to tell
Speaker 2: some stories with Richard Jefferson here and Doris Burke because
Speaker 2: this game is going to get out of hand early.
Speaker 2: The Lakers somehow were surprised at the physicality of the Timberwolves.
Speaker 2: I never understood that. I don't know if I'd ever
Speaker 2: admit that where I go. Yeah, dang man, they play physical.
Speaker 2: Luca played well, but the rest of the team didn't
Speaker 2: hold up there under the bargain, and Minnesota came after
Speaker 2: them and didn't let up and picked up the victory there.
Speaker 2: But you know, you can't lose games at home, can't,
Speaker 2: not first round, can't. And you can't be surprised at
Speaker 2: the physicality of a team there, but they were. But
Speaker 2: Luca did have a respectable game, but you know, Minnesota
Speaker 2: had a balance to attack here. Oh, Claoma City, they're
Speaker 2: a cute story. They're no longer a cute story. They're
Speaker 2: a real story. And I think sometimes we get caught
Speaker 2: up and he go, oh that team out there, and
Speaker 2: Oklaoma City, Oh look at them. How many wins do
Speaker 2: they have? They went sixty eight and fourteen. They dominated.
Speaker 2: You got some other players on that team. I know
Speaker 2: they're going to have the MVP in Shay Jalen Williams
Speaker 2: is a rising star. Chaed Holmgren maybe a future Defensive
Speaker 2: Player of the Year winner. They got a really good bench.
Speaker 2: The Thunder no longer a cute story. They're a problem.
Speaker 2: They are They're a real problem. And sometimes you'll see
Speaker 2: teams I mentioned this with Houston. Houston lost to Golden State.
Speaker 2: There are certain teams that go into the playoffs and
Speaker 2: it's almost like it's a fact finding mission. It's like
Speaker 2: a school trip. You're like, let's go see what that's like. Hey,
Speaker 2: let's go into the playoffs and see what that's like,
Speaker 2: and then we can kind of collect our thoughts and
Speaker 2: then get ready to go into next season. Now, I'm
Speaker 2: not going to say that they're not going to beat
Speaker 2: Golden State. I will be surprised if they beat Golden State,
Speaker 2: only because of Golden State has been there. I mean,
Speaker 2: if you look at just Steph Curry, Steph has more
Speaker 2: playoff games than the entire roster. Then you throw in
Speaker 2: Draymond Green, then you throw in Jimmy Butler, then you
Speaker 2: throw in some of these bench guys, then you throw
Speaker 2: in Steve Kerr. It's an incredible advantage for them. And
Speaker 2: you saw with Steph and Playoff Jimmy, they're probably the
Speaker 2: best tandem in the NBA. And I thought, you know,
Speaker 2: Luca and Lebron the way they were playing at the
Speaker 2: end of the regular season, and I would probably still
Speaker 2: side with them. But probably the general consensus is Steph
Speaker 2: and Playoff Jimmy the best tandem. But the Cabs rolled,
Speaker 2: they beat the Heat, but the Warriors beating the Rockets.
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised at that at all. It's just different basketball,
Speaker 2: and there's certain teams. Oklahoma City, they were on a
Speaker 2: fact finding mission last year, then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: you go, Okay, what did we learn? Go down through
Speaker 2: history a lot of times you have to lose to
Speaker 2: learn how to win. What does it take? What do
Speaker 2: we do, what didn't we do? What do they do
Speaker 2: better than us? And I think that's what you're seeing
Speaker 2: with Okacie Cleveland, big question mark there. They were great,
Speaker 2: best team in the East during the regular season. The
Speaker 2: general consensus is what the Boston Celtics, and rightfully so,
Speaker 2: that team is so Deep. It feels like everybody can
Speaker 2: shoot a three. You could probably get the trainer out
Speaker 2: there and he might be able to be respectable from
Speaker 2: three point range. Everybody and then an oh, by the way,
Speaker 2: Derek White, you know Olympian. See that's the dangerous part
Speaker 2: of this. When Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum aren't great
Speaker 2: but they're great, that's when you win championships.
Speaker 3: Yes, Marvin, have we ever disrespected a team like the
Speaker 3: Boston Celtics, And I don't mean that like purposefully, but
Speaker 3: we didn't talk about them at all all season long
Speaker 3: and they were the defending champs with the best starting
Speaker 3: five in the NBA.
Speaker 2: But it might be a compliment that we've just taken
Speaker 2: them for granted, that there's certain players and certain teams
Speaker 2: that they get elevated and then we go, Okay, we
Speaker 2: told that story. Now let's move on, because that's really
Speaker 2: we're in the storytelling business. What's the story you're telling
Speaker 2: about the Celtics this year? Man? Can if the good
Speaker 2: Rod Deep Ross, how about Peyton Pritchard? You know, I mean,
Speaker 2: you just we run out of ways to describe somebody,
Speaker 2: and a lot of these teams you don't look at
Speaker 2: where they are in the playoff seedings. The same thing
Speaker 2: with San Antonio. People would get caught up in oh man,
Speaker 2: are you going to be the number one seed and
Speaker 2: have home court advantage. Spurs didn't care. They were like,
Speaker 2: we use the regular season to get ready for the postseason.
Speaker 2: Certain teams are like, we use the regular season to
Speaker 2: make the postseason. Boston uses the regular season, just like
Speaker 2: the Patriots. They used the first three or four games
Speaker 2: of the regular season for their training camp, like this
Speaker 2: is our preseason, and then they use the regular season
Speaker 2: to get ready for the postseason. And that's a compliment
Speaker 2: to them. All Right, Seaton's not here today, So I'm guessing, Todd,
Speaker 2: are you doing the poll question? I do have the
Speaker 2: odds to win the NBA Championship? OKC is your favorite,
Speaker 2: Then it's the Celtics, and then a distant third the Cabs.
Speaker 2: Really distant fourth is the Warriors, and then even further
Speaker 2: down the list is the Lakers. It does feel like
Speaker 2: it's a two race, two team race. But the Cavaliers.
Speaker 2: Cavaliers are a lot of fun. And I was watching
Speaker 2: last night. You might go, who's this guy who's lighting
Speaker 2: up the Miami Heat. Ti Jerome. Well, Ty Jerome played
Speaker 2: for Virginia and I remember when he was playing and
Speaker 2: mcleven and I went back and forth because he goes,
Speaker 2: this Virginia team isn't good. I said, man, this they
Speaker 2: can shoot, they can shoot. And Ti Jerome, who's that?
Speaker 2: I said, I don't know who he is, but I
Speaker 2: know he can shoot. All of a sudden, Ti Jerome
Speaker 2: pops up and you go, I'll be damned. It took
Speaker 2: a while, but he had a couple of games this
Speaker 2: year that got on the radar and I went that dude,
Speaker 2: and they went at Tyler Hero last night. It was
Speaker 2: not nice. It was not nice. That's where you needed
Speaker 2: parental guidance because I'm going, damn. Everybody wanted Tyler Hero
Speaker 2: guardian last night. But Ti Jerome went at him. And
Speaker 2: you know they did a great job. Great job, Yes, poet, I.
Speaker 4: Had to look up Ti Jerome. I couldn't lie to you.
Speaker 4: He's been on four teams in six years. He's played
Speaker 4: six seasons and only started ten games.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, but he can shoot. He can. He got
Speaker 2: some buckets. He had twenty eight points and win. That's
Speaker 2: the most by any Cavalier in their first NBA playoff
Speaker 2: game since Kyrie had thirty against the Celtics back in
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen. Stat of the day, stat of the day,
Speaker 2: that past stat of the day, stat of the.
Speaker 5: Day, here comes that what stat of the.
Speaker 2: Day, Thank you, Will Ferrell. Stat of the day, brought
Speaker 2: to you by Panini America. And you try not to
Speaker 2: get caught up in one loss, you know, I like that.
Speaker 2: Ja Moran says, you know, we won't play this way
Speaker 2: next time around against Okay, see wow, stop the presses.
Speaker 2: You won't play that badly. You're gonna play a little better.
Speaker 2: It's almost one of those where he could say if
Speaker 2: they lose by fifteen, see I told you we weren't
Speaker 2: gonna play that bad. We're improving here. But that was
Speaker 2: there was no pulse. Yeah, the body that there was
Speaker 2: no pulse. There was a corpse. But sometimes you'll have
Speaker 2: these big blowouts and then you know these teams flipped
Speaker 2: the switch on you, and maybe have that with Memphis.
Speaker 2: I don't see it, just because I think Okac knows,
Speaker 2: let's be great. We were great. Continue to be great.
Speaker 2: Don't take anybody for granted, and don't be surprised. The
Speaker 2: Lakers were surprised. That's what surprises me. Wait a minute, guys,
Speaker 2: come on, you know, and it's not like Memphis is
Speaker 2: Minnesota is Memphis Minnesota. They can play for a title,
Speaker 2: and that's where you just you can't be goofing around here.
Speaker 2: Take something for granted.
Speaker 3: Yes, Mark Lakers, Hey, this is the team that beat
Speaker 3: the Denver Nuggets last year in the playoffs. They took
Speaker 3: jokij out. So why are we surprised that nas Reed
Speaker 3: and Julius Randall are being physical with them? Did he
Speaker 3: not see the Scott report?
Speaker 2: But then JJ Riddick says hey, and Lebron said that, hey,
Speaker 2: we were kind of surprised at their physicality. There should
Speaker 2: be no surprises right now. You play together long enough,
Speaker 2: you got you know, Luca playing well. And I really
Speaker 2: think that they have a chance to play, you know,
Speaker 2: for in the Western Conference finals. I mean, I really do.
Speaker 2: But it comes down to defense. But I didn't think
Speaker 2: physicality was going to be the difference. But it was
Speaker 2: all right, Uh poll questions don.
Speaker 6: Uh, we're a roll with this one from Paulie. I
Speaker 6: think the Thunder will win the NBA title? Sure, too early, okay, yeah, sir?
Speaker 6: Or too early okay?
Speaker 2: I don't think they're better than the Celtics. I think
Speaker 2: I think they're a great team. This is one of
Speaker 2: those where they don't get a lot of publicity, just
Speaker 2: like the Cavs didn't get a lot. You know, we
Speaker 2: the media steers you where they want to steer you.
Speaker 2: They guide you. So when you turn on ESPN or Fox,
Speaker 2: they're going to guide you to where they're going to
Speaker 2: guide you any place else maybe the Nicks, maybe they're
Speaker 2: gonna guide you to well, Memphis because Jaw's in trouble.
Speaker 2: Where else are they guiding you? Therefore, you really don't
Speaker 2: have a unless you watch these games. You don't have
Speaker 2: a good opinion, a strong opinion on a team because
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, okay, see I see the highlights. Yeah,
Speaker 2: all right, SGA and he's really good. But that's all
Speaker 2: you know. And then you'll see some of these other
Speaker 2: teams and you'll go, oh, wow, I was watching the Pistons, man,
Speaker 2: they're pretty good. It's because the media will hold your
Speaker 2: hand and take you where they want to because that's
Speaker 2: where the stories are. And we do a disservice to
Speaker 2: some of these other teams that play really well. And
Speaker 2: that's why I'm Glad Sga is getting recognized because he
Speaker 2: has been great and players will say this, and they've
Speaker 2: said this, Jokers the best player in the game. But
Speaker 2: they're happy that Sga is going to be the MV pick,
Speaker 2: like he he deserves to win the MV pick because
Speaker 2: of what the team did during the regular season. So
Speaker 2: that'll give you a sense of the players know. But
Speaker 2: is anybody talking about the Indiana Piecers. The WNBA team
Speaker 2: in Indiana gets more, you know, headlines, credit attention than
Speaker 2: the Pacers do. The Pacers are a really good team,
Speaker 2: but once again, the media does not guide you there.
Speaker 2: The only member of the media who does is Pat
Speaker 2: McAfee because he's in Indianapolis. But there will be some
Speaker 2: interesting stories that come out. And if you haven't watched Detroit,
Speaker 2: yes they did blow the lead the Knicks twenty one
Speaker 2: to nothing run. But Kate Cunningham is real. He is
Speaker 2: a real star. Yeah, Paully, I.
Speaker 4: Didn't want to bring this up so early, but I
Speaker 4: was watching thunder Grizzlies. I'm just looking at that. I
Speaker 4: don't know all the Grizzlies players and like, oh, Scotty
Speaker 4: Pippen June on the team, and I think he got
Speaker 4: the start for the Grizzlies. He spells his first name
Speaker 4: s c O T t y. His father, Scotty Pippen
Speaker 4: Senior spells it s c O T T I E
Speaker 4: m hm. That blew my mind. I always thought if
Speaker 4: you named your son after you, that exact same spelling of.
Speaker 2: The name back to you. Okay, thank you, Paulin break
Speaker 2: it down. Yeah, it's worth break breaking into programming. Wo no, young,
Speaker 2: you can do it.
Speaker 5: I guess who stell of the day? Style of the day,
Speaker 5: start of the day, stell of the day. This is
Speaker 5: the stele of the.
Speaker 2: Day, Paulie, would you stay on that story? Please? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I E?
Speaker 2: Or why with Scottie Pippen Junior the third Now it's
Speaker 2: in your head though, is he junior? No, it's gone?
Speaker 5: Is he?
Speaker 2: Is he junior?
Speaker 7: He is Scottie Pippen junior.
Speaker 5: But it's s c O T T Y again.
Speaker 2: Okay, his father I E I E E Yes.
Speaker 8: I gotta tell you.
Speaker 5: I found that kind of interesting as well.
Speaker 2: Now that poly mention, that's not a good sign.
Speaker 5: No it's not.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 2: Oh, Fritzy, Fritzy sent this to me. He was a Hey,
Speaker 2: Luca's number is seventy seven. I go okay, And do
Speaker 2: you realize seventy seven days after they traded Luca, the
Speaker 2: Mavericks were eliminated from the playoffs.
Speaker 7: Fascinating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I go okay. My thing numerology, I know it is,
Speaker 2: I know, love it, I know. But did you notice
Speaker 2: that no one responded to you as well?
Speaker 5: I totally annoyed.
Speaker 6: I didn't get a k or a thumbs up or
Speaker 6: a smiley thing.
Speaker 2: I was way too busy for some rey. I don't
Speaker 2: know what I was doing, but I'm sure I was
Speaker 2: way too busy to then, you know, very nice respond
Speaker 2: to your seventy seven seventy seven.
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Speaker 2: The Chimberwolves beat the Lakers Minnesota made a franchise playoff
Speaker 2: record twenty one to three pointers. So when JJ Reddick
Speaker 2: and Lebron say, hey, you know, we were surprised at
Speaker 2: the physicality of that, well, okay, but what about the
Speaker 2: three pointers that you gave up twenty one Let's talktor
Speaker 2: Chris Haynes senior NBA insider and host of the Haynes
Speaker 2: Briefs show on YouTube. He is covering the Bucks and Pacers,
Speaker 2: and then he's going to go to the Rockets and
Speaker 2: the Warriors. Worst first round lost so far turned in
Speaker 2: by who.
Speaker 10: Hmm, Well, I mean I think you definitely got I
Speaker 10: mean the worst. I think you say the worst by
Speaker 10: a point differential. You can say to Memphis Grizzlies. You
Speaker 10: know the way they lost to Oklahoma City. But I
Speaker 10: think most people believe that Oklahoma City is going to
Speaker 10: get out of the first round relatively unscathed. But the
Speaker 10: team you just talked about right now, the Lakers and
Speaker 10: the Minnesota Timbwolves, even though that's not I understand the
Speaker 10: Lakers have the higher seed, but I think that's a
Speaker 10: prey even matchup. And I think when you look at
Speaker 10: the athleticism, you look at the dog of Anthony Edwards,
Speaker 10: and you just look how they went into LA and
Speaker 10: took care of business in the threes. Those threes were
Speaker 10: opened up by driving penetration overhelping Anthony Edwards would be
Speaker 10: able to get to whatever he wanted to get to
Speaker 10: on the court, and it was setting up guys and
Speaker 10: guys found the rhythm and once they found it, they
Speaker 10: didn't let go of that rhythm.
Speaker 8: So the Lakers have some issues for sure.
Speaker 2: The Memphis loss like it was laughable, Like after a while,
Speaker 2: you're just going, I mean, does Memphis have any pride here?
Speaker 2: And I know we see teams turn it around, get
Speaker 2: blown out, and then they come back and they'll make
Speaker 2: it competitive, maybe win that game. But Oka C seems
Speaker 2: to have learned something from last year like that. It
Speaker 2: feels like they understand, you know, how to be a
Speaker 2: playoff team. I don't know if you have them going
Speaker 2: to the NBA Finals.
Speaker 10: Put me on the spot, DP, I haven't made a selection. Nobody,
Speaker 10: nobody has ever asked me yet for my prediction. I
Speaker 10: got them in the.
Speaker 2: Clint Waits you know have started, Chris, you know how
Speaker 2: this works. You can't wait till you know.
Speaker 10: Well, usually, DP, Usually that's how it works. Like if
Speaker 10: you don't get asked, because now, because now you get
Speaker 10: to see these games, go on to see a trend
Speaker 10: and then somebody they might ask you in the semi
Speaker 10: finals round, then I'll have a better gaze.
Speaker 8: Then I'll look much more smart, smarter, and brighter than.
Speaker 2: You give me your two favorites to win.
Speaker 10: The favorite two favorites, I would say, okay, see come
Speaker 10: out the West and Boston to come out the East.
Speaker 2: Okay, then give me your other two. Following them.
Speaker 10: The other two I would have to go with. God's tough,
Speaker 10: you know. I want to say Denver. I want to,
Speaker 10: but there's been so much the team is different, changing
Speaker 10: of a coach. I think that series with the Clippers
Speaker 10: is going to go seven games. I don't know who's
Speaker 10: coming out. I want to say Denver.
Speaker 8: DP.
Speaker 10: Don't hold me to that. Please, don't hold me to that.
Speaker 10: I want to say Denver. But in the East, I
Speaker 10: understand Cleveland had the best record over there for the
Speaker 10: most part. Oh boy, there are about a few other
Speaker 10: teams that I can see making noise in the East.
Speaker 10: I think if New York gets on the run, they
Speaker 10: can do some things. I think if Damian Lillard gets back,
Speaker 10: I think the Bucks and Giannis can do some things.
Speaker 10: It's tougher in the East for me, DP, I will say,
Speaker 10: I will say between New York.
Speaker 2: And Milwaukee, a team not in the playoffs, the Atlanta Hawks,
Speaker 2: the Trey Young situation. Yeah, you look at his numbers
Speaker 2: and you go God those are great numbers, but I
Speaker 2: don't know what kind of I mean. I can watch
Speaker 2: him play, but it just seems like he's going to
Speaker 2: put up really good numbers for a team that nobody
Speaker 2: really cares about. And I wonder does he need to
Speaker 2: be on another team to show how good he can
Speaker 2: really be, how clutch he can be playing in big moments.
Speaker 2: And I don't know, like Dame Lillard, and maybe it's
Speaker 2: not a fair comparison, but we look at Dame and go, God,
Speaker 2: he's playing great and meaningless games for the most part,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden he gets traded and
Speaker 2: it's at the latter part of his career. I don't
Speaker 2: know if the Hawks are at that point where they yo.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe we're better off without Trey Young. What
Speaker 2: do you think?
Speaker 8: So?
Speaker 10: I had Trey on my show, The Hainsbury Show on YouTube.
Speaker 10: Everybody check it out. I had him on my show
Speaker 10: last week and I asked him about that DP, just
Speaker 10: about where he's at with the organization, with his career,
Speaker 10: and he said he's.
Speaker 8: In a good spot.
Speaker 10: He said he knew that there was going to be
Speaker 10: speculation once the Hawks went to a younger core had
Speaker 10: the number one pick. He knew there was gonna be
Speaker 10: speculation about his future, but he said he bought in.
Speaker 10: He took the you know, Zach number one pick. He
Speaker 10: brought him to his hometown in Oklahoma to show him around,
Speaker 10: to spend some time with him right after Zach was drafted,
Speaker 10: just to get him engaged.
Speaker 8: And so he's somebody.
Speaker 10: Who again just just told to me about a week
Speaker 10: and a week and a half ago that he's down
Speaker 10: with the process. He wants to see this Atlanta Hawks
Speaker 10: squad turn the corner, and he wants to be a
Speaker 10: pivotal partner. And then dp he changed his game this
Speaker 10: past season like he was more I think we know
Speaker 10: that trade is a great facilitator, but he modified his
Speaker 10: game like it wasn't just shoot first trade. You know,
Speaker 10: this was a guy who was getting guys involved. And
Speaker 10: so that that speaks to his maturity, and that speaks
Speaker 10: to you know, him trying to empower his teammates. But
Speaker 10: with that being said, there definitely are teams out there
Speaker 10: who are monitoring his situation and trying to see if
Speaker 10: there's going to become a point this all season where
Speaker 10: that he can be had and where he can be
Speaker 10: moved because he's definitely a guy who want. Like Trey
Speaker 10: is one of the most competitive guys in this league.
Speaker 10: When he went to that conference finals a few years ago,
Speaker 10: played against the you know, he wanted, he wanted to
Speaker 10: continue on. He wanted the organization to do things, to
Speaker 10: make moves to keep the team on the trajectory. Now
Speaker 10: they took it a little backstep of the you know
Speaker 10: in recent years. He wants to get back to that point.
Speaker 10: But as of now, DP, I can say I haven't
Speaker 10: heard anything on Trey side that will lead me to
Speaker 10: believe that he wants out right now.
Speaker 2: Will Yannis finish his career in Milwaukee.
Speaker 10: I don't think so. I don't think so. I just
Speaker 10: you know, this is going to be a pivotal playoff.
Speaker 10: This the twenty twenty five playoffs for the Milwaukee Bucks.
Speaker 10: It's going to be pivotal, you know, will if they
Speaker 10: don't get to the finals, win the finals, or even
Speaker 10: make a deep run, you can probably see some wholesale
Speaker 10: changes going on in Milwaukee from you know, you can
Speaker 10: go from coaching staff, from front office to the players,
Speaker 10: like it can be a pretty big significant wholesale if
Speaker 10: Milaukee Bucks don't make a significant run this postseason.
Speaker 2: Could you see them trading Joannis?
Speaker 10: I could see them going in a different direction, And yeah,
Speaker 10: I can see that possibility if things go sour this postseason,
Speaker 10: for sure.
Speaker 2: He's Chris Haynes, senior NBA insider, host of the Haynes
Speaker 2: Briefs show on YouTube. He's covering Bucks Pacers for Game
Speaker 2: two and then heading to the Rockets and the Warriors.
Speaker 2: You know, the Warriors winning the game against Houston and
Speaker 2: then we see that playoff experience that they have and
Speaker 2: Golden State, to me, is a fascinating situation because can
Speaker 2: you do this? Can you win four games? Can that group?
Speaker 2: You know, because that's what it takes every one of
Speaker 2: these series, you can say, are you able to win four?
Speaker 2: And I think they I think they could go to
Speaker 2: the Western Conference Finals. And I don't know if anybody
Speaker 2: would be surprised, but would you be more surprised if
Speaker 2: the Warriors went to the Western Conference Finals or the
Speaker 2: Lakers did.
Speaker 10: I would be more surprised as the Lakers went to
Speaker 10: the Western Conference Finals because the Golden State Wars, they
Speaker 10: still have their nucleus in place, and they've upgraded in
Speaker 10: Jimmy Butler, somebody who fits seamlessly in what they're trying
Speaker 10: to do on the offensive end and defensive end.
Speaker 8: The Lakers, we knew there was going to be some
Speaker 8: growing pains.
Speaker 10: You're talking about two Hall of Fame basketball players, but
Speaker 10: they have very similar ways of playing the game and
Speaker 10: they both require the ball and it's worked better than
Speaker 10: what I thought when I'm talking about Lebron James and
Speaker 10: Luca doctors. But we're talking about going to State, man,
Speaker 10: they're just plugging in.
Speaker 8: You know. They Jimmy Butler with.
Speaker 10: Somebody who could fit, and he saw what he did,
Speaker 10: clutch baskets after clutch baskets, making plays, and he's somebody
Speaker 10: that doesn't have to take a lot of shots to
Speaker 10: be efficient. And so I think if you know, talking
Speaker 10: about the Lakers and Warriors, I think the Warriors will
Speaker 10: have an easier path to get to the get to
Speaker 10: the finals than the Lakers.
Speaker 2: Best in basketball right now is who.
Speaker 10: Are we talking about in the playoffs or overall?
Speaker 2: Let's do playoffs?
Speaker 8: DP.
Speaker 10: You know what, DP, You're really good at what you
Speaker 10: do because you know this is this is why, this
Speaker 10: is why you get a lot out of Charles Barkley.
Speaker 10: You know, you know how to answer. You know how
Speaker 10: to ask the right questions. You never know what you're
Speaker 10: going to ask and it requires an answer.
Speaker 2: So let me say, now you were stalling with the compliment.
Speaker 2: I see right through you, Chris.
Speaker 10: Okay, this works here, that's why you do.
Speaker 2: Do you think there's a better tandem not in the
Speaker 2: playoffs than in the playoffs? No?
Speaker 10: I can't say that, Okay, and I would get ridiculed
Speaker 10: for even saying there's a better tantent that's not in
Speaker 10: the playoffs, because if they were, they would be at
Speaker 10: the playoffs.
Speaker 2: You're stalling once again by saying regular season play homes.
Speaker 10: Okay, let's let's allow me to go. I don't want
Speaker 10: to disrespect the champions.
Speaker 8: Allow me to go. Jason Tatum Jaylen Brown? Is that safe?
Speaker 8: Is that safe? After DP?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 2: But I don't want safe. Do you really feel that
Speaker 2: right now the best tandem in basketball is Tatum and
Speaker 2: Brown over Jimmy Steph, Luca Lebron.
Speaker 8: The best talent in basketball pound for pal is No,
Speaker 8: we're not.
Speaker 2: We're just best tandem.
Speaker 5: Will you stop?
Speaker 2: You're better than this.
Speaker 7: Lebron?
Speaker 8: Luca?
Speaker 2: Okay, see that's not that hard.
Speaker 8: It actually was.
Speaker 2: Which team did the best job of tanking for Cooper Flag.
Speaker 8: You know what it was.
Speaker 10: There was a lot of teams that had a really
Speaker 10: good job. You know, I'm going to go with the
Speaker 10: Utah Jazz. They let it be known pretty early on.
Speaker 10: They put out a They put out a release and
Speaker 10: just basically said, these seven guys aren't playing for the
Speaker 10: rest of the season.
Speaker 5: You know, it was these minor injuries.
Speaker 2: The NBA Awards season, you have to play at least
Speaker 2: sixty five games. I was wondering Jared Jackson Junior. I
Speaker 2: thought was gonna win the Defensive Player of the Year.
Speaker 2: He's not one of the finalists here.
Speaker 8: How many games did he plays?
Speaker 2: He played seventy four, but he's not one. So it
Speaker 2: wasn't even one of those where because it's that super
Speaker 2: Max deal. If he wins Defensive Player of the Year again,
Speaker 2: and I thought with Victor wen Been Yama out, then
Speaker 2: he was the favorite. He's not even one of I
Speaker 2: got Dyce and Daniels, Draymond.
Speaker 5: Dra Well d P.
Speaker 10: Draymond's had a phenomenal season. But you know, Dyson Daniels
Speaker 10: leads the league in steals. Evan Mobley I would have
Speaker 10: you know, I felt like all along Evan Mobley might
Speaker 10: have been the front runner to win that award award
Speaker 10: what he's done with Yeah, I do think I think
Speaker 10: so as well. I think he's the favorite. But Jared Jackson,
Speaker 10: you know, it was a tough this was a tough
Speaker 10: one this year. And and DP, I'm telling you I
Speaker 10: don't have a vote this season, which I'm glad because
Speaker 10: DP around this time, you know, players that have those
Speaker 10: claus in their contract, they start to call me around
Speaker 10: the last two weeks of the season, Hey, you know
Speaker 10: my situation, who are you voting for it?
Speaker 8: And it just puts me in a tough spot.
Speaker 10: I'm not gonna name names, but I've had multiple players
Speaker 10: call me constantly over the path last you know, the
Speaker 10: lab but the last two weeks of the season, just
Speaker 10: to get a gauge, and I'm like, damn, man, that's
Speaker 10: that's tough about to.
Speaker 2: Be anybody try to buy your vote, like saying, hey,
Speaker 2: Chris uh Man, I got these new Jordans and what
Speaker 2: changes do you wear? Or hey, you know once you
Speaker 2: go out go out to dinner, you know, maybe made
Speaker 2: me go to Cabo. I'll make sure you take care
Speaker 2: of you.
Speaker 10: They haven't said that they haven't tried to buy it.
Speaker 10: But what they did do they do? They do try
Speaker 10: to propose an appearance.
Speaker 1: You know what.
Speaker 10: Hey, you know they the way they say it, like, hey,
Speaker 10: you know what, you have a nice show. I could
Speaker 10: think about coming home if.
Speaker 2: Great to talk to you DP any time.
Speaker 8: Man, you take care of brother.
Speaker 2: Best tandem in the NBA is who Luca?
Speaker 10: All right?
Speaker 2: I just want to make sure, thank you, Chris.
Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
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Speaker 2: W APP taking part in his forty second NFL Draft,
Speaker 2: Mel Kuiper Draft Expert. He'll be at the ESPN desk
Speaker 2: for every pick of the NFL Draft starting Thursday. But
Speaker 2: before the draft, listen to the final episodes of the
Speaker 2: First Draft Podcast with Melfield Yates in Mike Greenberg available
Speaker 2: wherever you get your podcast, Mel joining us on the program.
Speaker 2: Why do so many opinions seem to shift based on
Speaker 2: stuff that's not from actual games that these players play.
Speaker 7: It's college the pro Dan, That's what makes it so
Speaker 7: so difficult. You're seeing guys play in college against players
Speaker 7: who will not be in the National Football League, so
Speaker 7: you're not getting apples to apples. And then some games
Speaker 7: you want to watch an offensive tackle, but the defensive
Speaker 7: ends going on the right side or side opposite where
Speaker 7: the player you want the one on one to be,
Speaker 7: so you get little snippets, okay, snapshots here and there
Speaker 7: of a player against another great player. That's why senior
Speaker 7: bowl practices are so important because you're getting good on good.
Speaker 7: You don't get that in college on a regular basis,
Speaker 7: so a lot of times the stats can.
Speaker 5: Be skewed one way.
Speaker 7: You can have great numbers against I call am aog
Speaker 7: s DAN another occupation. Guys, that's what they are. You know,
Speaker 7: they're aogs. That's what you go up against in college.
Speaker 7: I can win that phrase years ago. That's what it
Speaker 7: is because that's college football. That's the same thing when
Speaker 7: you talk about high school. It's tough to go from
Speaker 7: one level to the next and be accurate with your evaluation.
Speaker 7: So when you end today, it's over evaluation too, because
Speaker 7: you're talking about so much time between the end of
Speaker 7: the season until late April that you do kind of
Speaker 7: overthink it and you do factor in things that maybe
Speaker 7: shouldn't be as heavily weighed because it's so much time
Speaker 7: and it is level to a different level, and you
Speaker 7: have to look at everything possible to try to make
Speaker 7: a good evaluation. Certainly, Dan, a lot of scouts believe,
Speaker 7: and funeral managers later in the draft, take the talented kids.
Speaker 7: Bill Polli and Hall of Fame were always told him, no,
Speaker 7: take the talented guys later in the draft. The guys
Speaker 7: are call him under achievers, Dan, but they have a
Speaker 7: big time skill set and for one reason or another,
Speaker 7: they got dinged in the process a bit. Take those
Speaker 7: kind of guys in the fifth, sixth, seventh round or
Speaker 7: bring him in his undrafted free agents.
Speaker 2: How do you grade Travis Hunter considering there's two positions.
Speaker 7: He's it's a hard decision on wide receiver and corner
Speaker 7: when you have other players that are fully invested in
Speaker 7: that one spot. So you say, Okay, Travis didn't play
Speaker 7: just wide receiver, he didn't play just corner. He was
Speaker 7: out there every play, every snap. That to me prevents
Speaker 7: him from being as good at one or the other
Speaker 7: that he could be.
Speaker 5: So even with that said, Dan.
Speaker 7: He's my number one wide receiver and he's my number
Speaker 7: one corner, and it's amazing that he would just focus
Speaker 7: on one position, how great he could be. So to me,
Speaker 7: Travis is as unique as any player in the history
Speaker 7: of the draft because he is going to play both ways.
Speaker 5: Right away, dion said it perfectly.
Speaker 7: You're not going to have a drive at the end
Speaker 7: of the first half, or a drive in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 7: or two drives in the fourth quarter, settling that game
Speaker 7: that outcome and have Travis Hunter standing on the sidelines
Speaker 7: when our cornerbacks are getting beaten in the quarterbacks, driving
Speaker 7: his team right down the field against my defense. You
Speaker 7: can't have that. So Dionna is perfectly correct. It's a
Speaker 7: thousand percent correct on that this kid's got to play
Speaker 7: both ways.
Speaker 2: Do you love or love love Shador Sanders?
Speaker 7: Like really love Shador Sanders. I tried to be loyal
Speaker 7: to what like I said August and what I thought
Speaker 7: throughout their careers. And I understand if you want Dan
Speaker 7: somebody who looks the part. I call them ltpeers. That's
Speaker 7: what they are. They're ltpers. There's a couple other guys
Speaker 7: that that's positioned that are more physically gifted. Okay, when
Speaker 7: I talk about arm strength, when I talk about just
Speaker 7: imposing size, the rocket arm, the four six speed. There
Speaker 7: are other quarterbacks that have that, Dan, if you want that,
Speaker 7: take those guys. If you want a kid who can
Speaker 7: just surgically take a team down the field, pick you apart,
Speaker 7: see things, recognize things, diagnose, make decisions that are sound. Also,
Speaker 7: get the ball to accurate points and precise points to
Speaker 7: a receiver, and hang in tough in that pocket, take
Speaker 7: hits and keep getting up. Don't point fingers, don't assign blame.
Speaker 7: Win football games. He didn't have a running game for
Speaker 7: two years of Colorado. Dan, his leading rusher, upset it
Speaker 7: for the last month, his leading rusher the last two years.
Speaker 5: The two top running.
Speaker 7: Backs in this draft, genty and Hampton, would have had
Speaker 7: more yards in a game.
Speaker 5: And a half then they had the whole year.
Speaker 7: Think about that and an offensive line, Dan, you saw
Speaker 7: that offensive line that was a bad group in twenty
Speaker 7: twenty three, a little bit better in twenty four. But
Speaker 7: bottom line is he had no chance, and a lot
Speaker 7: of those snaps he had no shot.
Speaker 5: So I'd give him a lot of credit, Dan, But.
Speaker 7: If he's not the guy that you want physically, and
Speaker 7: you can't reconcile taking a guy that high, I get it.
Speaker 7: But does that not mean that, hey, in the mid
Speaker 7: late first round, he can't be a heck of a pick.
Speaker 7: And all this notion too, Dan, Well, if you love them,
Speaker 7: or you'll like them, whatever, if you'll just like them,
Speaker 7: you can't take them. Well, I give you an example.
Speaker 7: In nineteen eighty four, Dan, my first year at ESPN,
Speaker 7: I had Boomer Assias and the third highest rated player
Speaker 7: on my board.
Speaker 5: Right now, Schador is at five. By the way.
Speaker 7: Okay, so say Shador goes in the late first think
Speaker 7: it was in the second what an idiot Kuiper is right?
Speaker 7: He had Well, guess what Boomer was. Three Bengals had
Speaker 7: three picks in the first round. Then I'm sitting there,
Speaker 7: first year at ESPN. You know what's going through my head.
Speaker 7: I'm one and done. I'm sitting there with Book, I'm
Speaker 7: sitting there with Chris Berman, Boomer and Bob Lee. I'm
Speaker 7: thinking now I'm not gonna be back for the nineteen
Speaker 7: eighty five draft. My third highest rated players there, and
Speaker 7: the Bengals passed them three times, Dan, and two of
Speaker 7: those three were bus They took him in the second round. Now,
Speaker 7: according to that philosophy, if you didn't like him, enough
Speaker 7: to take him with your first three picks in there.
Speaker 7: Why are you taking him in the second round. He's
Speaker 7: gonna be your quarterback. He's gonna be the guy, whether
Speaker 7: he was the first second round or he's your guy
Speaker 7: moving forward. You didn't even like him enough to take
Speaker 7: ahead of Ricky Hunley, Petekotch and Brian Bladoes. Okay, so
Speaker 7: again I don't buy into any of that nonsense. Brent
Speaker 7: Fahr was like highly rated player, went in the second round, right,
Speaker 7: look what happened with him. Aaron Rodgers was supposed to
Speaker 7: go number one three full of draft, the twenty four
Speaker 7: the six of the eight sliding picks in terms of
Speaker 7: my rankings over the last yeah, since nineteen seventy, Dan,
Speaker 7: I want all the way back to nineteen seventy. Six
Speaker 7: of the eight hit. Six of the eight sliding quarterbacks hit.
Speaker 7: So maybe Schador will be one of the six that
Speaker 7: does really well.
Speaker 2: We're talking to Mel Kuiper, Draft Expert, forty second NFL Draft,
Speaker 2: and you can see ESPN with every pick there that'll
Speaker 2: be Thursday through Saturday, it'll be a mel and Field Yates,
Speaker 2: Mike Greenberg the First Draft podcast as well with Mel
Speaker 2: Kiper help me understand this that I know we get it.
Speaker 2: We fall in love with quarterbacks. But if I say
Speaker 2: to a team that guy right there that you're going
Speaker 2: to take, it's not a quarterback, but he's going to
Speaker 2: be a future Hall of Famer. But instead, you'll roll
Speaker 2: the dice on cam Ward, and cam can be maybe
Speaker 2: he's a Hall of Famer. But if you said Travis Hunter,
Speaker 2: Abdul Carter, you know there's a couple of guys in
Speaker 2: here that you go. Chances are they could be the
Speaker 2: safest picked and be a future Hall of Famer. But
Speaker 2: we're gonna roll the dice on cam Ward. He explain
Speaker 2: the logic there at the top of the draft. It's
Speaker 2: a arm talent, Dan, it's the trades. It's that skill
Speaker 2: set that Brian Callahan. I listened to an interview with
Speaker 2: Brian Callahan and he.
Speaker 7: Said, I want a quarterback doing everybody in the stadium
Speaker 7: knows we're throwing a ball, can throw the ball and
Speaker 7: deliver a pass and complete it. I want a guy
Speaker 7: that's wired, right. I want a guy that certainly you know.
Speaker 5: Can be not just good.
Speaker 7: Because he said he said just good, just good, it's
Speaker 7: not good enough, Dan, It's been told to us.
Speaker 5: Listen to what they're saying. I don't want to go.
Speaker 5: That's just good.
Speaker 7: They want Joe Burrow, they want Jaydan Dan, he mentioned
Speaker 7: Joe Burrow and Jaydon Daniels in an interview. That's what
Speaker 7: he's shooting for. He's not shooting I said this for
Speaker 7: the last couple of years, Dan, The singles and double
Speaker 7: days for quarterbacks are over. This is and even maybe
Speaker 7: even a triple. You want a Grand Slam or a
Speaker 7: home runner. You don't want that guy, Dan. So what
Speaker 7: they're doing now is they're just keeping taking shots. They're
Speaker 7: taking shots. If my guy's not a triple, triple double
Speaker 7: or a triple, a home runner, Grand Slam, he's just
Speaker 7: a double or single, just good. Then I got to
Speaker 7: get better. I got to get better. And the one
Speaker 7: phrase that came out of everybody's mouth this last couple
Speaker 7: of years is I want a quarterback, my quarterback to
Speaker 7: play at consistently high level. Well they aren't looking at
Speaker 7: great then, right, Yeah, consistently high level?
Speaker 5: Who does that?
Speaker 7: Dan Patrick does it every day because he's a Hall
Speaker 7: of Famer, bottom line knows, does these these quarterbacks do
Speaker 7: it every day? Consistently high level? Dan, And that's where
Speaker 7: again you look at what we're doing here. If we
Speaker 7: got a quarterback and we think he could be good,
Speaker 7: but we got to get better. This kid has the
Speaker 7: arms talent. Shador Sanders doesn't have the rocket arm. Doesn't
Speaker 7: that have the four to six speeding, This is the
Speaker 7: six three two thirty. Cam Ward has the rocket arm,
Speaker 7: has maneuverability and creativity. The GM was with Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 7: Patrick Mahomes has a lot of creativity and a live arm.
Speaker 7: They all see a little bit elements of the quarterback
Speaker 7: they were with.
Speaker 5: With a quarterback they're.
Speaker 7: Going to select, and I think they see some elements
Speaker 7: there of what Mahomes does to the way cam Ward does.
Speaker 5: Shouldar doesn't do it that way. That's why cam Warden
Speaker 5: goes I'm.
Speaker 2: Sure, Like, are you sure that cam Ward is going
Speaker 2: to be more successful or as successful as Travis Hunter?
Speaker 5: No? No, I don't think anybody can.
Speaker 2: Be sure of. So might not take that guy? That's
Speaker 2: a generational talent there. This is what I don't understand.
Speaker 7: Well, you can't do you have to have It's the
Speaker 7: most important position in all sports, This quarterback in the NFL. Okay,
Speaker 7: so you got to keep taking chances. You're always say,
Speaker 7: if you don't have that quarterback, Dan, you're spinning your wheels.
Speaker 7: They got Joe Burrow in Cincinnati, didn't make the playoffs. Okay,
Speaker 7: so you are you gonna have all these pieces? That's
Speaker 7: what they said. And I was a big Trent Dilfer supporter.
Speaker 7: Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. Ironically, you're in Baltimore, right.
Speaker 5: My homes have worn and raised in Baltimore.
Speaker 7: I right, how it all came full circle for me, Dan,
Speaker 7: But people say, well, you needed everything around. They'd let
Speaker 7: the Trent Dilfer go. They cut him loose the next
Speaker 7: year for Elvis Kirback. They wanted to get better. Okay,
Speaker 7: they felt like, okay, we need everything around Trent. But
Speaker 7: he galvanized that team. He was the true leader. He
Speaker 7: was the difference maker on a team. They were one nowhere.
Speaker 7: T Trent took over that year. Okay, and he let
Speaker 7: them all those wins. But it wasn't good enough even then.
Speaker 7: Think about that, Dan, it was a long time ago.
Speaker 7: It wasn't even good then. They had a super Bowl
Speaker 7: winning quarterback. They kicked them to the curb to try
Speaker 7: to get better. This has been going this thought process,
Speaker 7: Dan has been going on a long time. The good
Speaker 7: isn't good enough at the quarterback position in the NFL.
Speaker 2: I need you to you gotta pace yourself because you
Speaker 2: got to get ready for a Thursday. Here, Mel, I
Speaker 2: mean you're you're in first round mode right now.
Speaker 7: I don't know about that. Dan, the voice that always
Speaker 7: goes by, You're right by Thursday. I get all fired
Speaker 7: up this week and they start yelling and screaming, and
Speaker 7: by Thursday, Friday and Saturday you got nothing left. So
Speaker 7: I'm with you. But hey, Dan, I could listen to
Speaker 7: you say pace it. I've been listening to you say
Speaker 7: pace it for about hell of a year's day we've
Speaker 7: been together.
Speaker 5: Do I ever, Dan? Listen to Dan Patrick?
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I know. I think it's interesting though,
Speaker 2: that your mock draft is saying this, this is your potential.
Speaker 2: This is how you grade them, not what the philosophy
Speaker 2: is of the teams. Is that correct?
Speaker 5: Well, philosophy?
Speaker 7: You want positions like I say, don't take a running
Speaker 7: back in the first But I'm not going to grade
Speaker 7: a kid like Ashton Genty or Amari and Hampton from
Speaker 7: North Carolina and put him as my six fifth player
Speaker 7: because I don't agree with taking your running back in
Speaker 7: the first you great, I'm based on their ability, and
Speaker 7: that's why all those running backs were rated high. I
Speaker 7: have a philosophy that people said was idiotic, Dan, and
Speaker 7: now they're all agreeing with it. They all agree with it.
Speaker 10: Now.
Speaker 7: You notice that how that's come full circle too. They
Speaker 7: all said I was a nut. Now they say, oh,
Speaker 7: you know, you shouldn't really draft a running back in
Speaker 7: the first round unless you're one of those great teams
Speaker 7: that just is missing the running back, or that team
Speaker 7: won the CUSP that's just missing a running back. Tell
Speaker 7: me a team Dan in the top ten right now
Speaker 7: doesn't think they're going to be a pretty good team
Speaker 7: this coming year. Tell me a team that thinks you're
Speaker 7: going to be picking first next year. Tell me a
Speaker 7: team going into next year's this coming season it thinks, oh,
Speaker 7: we're going to be the worst team in the league
Speaker 7: next year. Tell me a coach and that building or
Speaker 7: a player in that building they were a GM or
Speaker 7: an older that believes that. Okay, so to me, look
Speaker 7: at Tennessee. They were within a whisker last year of
Speaker 7: beating Chicago opening week of being the Jets. The second
Speaker 7: week they ended up beating Houston. They had a lot
Speaker 7: of games where they're just a mistake here or or
Speaker 7: a block that wasn't made, or a drop pass whatever
Speaker 7: it may, or penalty or whatever, or an interception to turnover.
Speaker 7: So again, this is a fine line, Dan, Washington went
Speaker 7: from being a team that was nothing to be because
Speaker 7: they had to hit with Jaden Daniels. And that tells
Speaker 7: you what we talk about a quarterback. They hit with
Speaker 7: Jade and Daniels, and now look where they are now.
Speaker 7: Look at the future of the Washington Commanders.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 7: I give Cincinnati, Hey, you get a mulligan with Joe Burrow.
Speaker 7: You're not getting two years with Joe Burrow where you
Speaker 7: don't make the playoffs. You got an MVP quarterback, you
Speaker 7: better get in the playoffs. I said I'll give you
Speaker 7: one year. I'm not going to give you two. So
Speaker 7: once you get that guy, you better win consistently.
Speaker 2: Do you regret not being a GM in the NFL?
Speaker 7: Not at all, Dan, though I had that chance to
Speaker 7: get into the league when a great probably the best
Speaker 7: friend I ever had in the NFL, where we're all
Speaker 7: you think about Ernie you Corsi general manager who was
Speaker 7: going to bring me in.
Speaker 5: At age twenty three, before I came to.
Speaker 7: ESPN, Dan, he offered me the position to come work
Speaker 7: for him, just do whatever now as an assistant GM
Speaker 7: like some you know. Erroneously said it was just to
Speaker 7: be his assistant as a young kid coming in. If
Speaker 7: I need kaiper to go wherever, I'll send them if
Speaker 7: I need him to find out something else. And I
Speaker 7: said great. He said, what do you want to do?
Speaker 7: He said, just keep going through the eighty three draft.
Speaker 5: Will announce you in July.
Speaker 7: I had the NFL security come down and interview and
Speaker 7: go through all the process to be accepted in and
Speaker 7: all that.
Speaker 5: So I was gonna that was all gonna happen.
Speaker 7: In July, Ernie had drafted John Elway without his knowledge.
Speaker 7: Er John Elway was traded to Denver. There was talking
Speaker 7: about the Colts leaving town. Ernie would obviously be leaving
Speaker 7: as well. He wasn't going to bring me in as
Speaker 7: his guy, knowing the future is so uncertain for him
Speaker 7: with this organization. He called me in June, Dan and
Speaker 7: he said.
Speaker 5: No, I can't bring you in.
Speaker 7: I said, I said, okay, what do you want me
Speaker 7: to do?
Speaker 5: He said, Hey, nobody knows that I was going to
Speaker 5: do this.
Speaker 7: It hasn't an announced to anybody. You've got a great
Speaker 7: business going. Keep doing what you're doing. Everybody craves that
Speaker 7: type of information.
Speaker 5: Keep doing what you're doing.
Speaker 7: I did, and guess what, five months later, got a
Speaker 7: call from ESPN to come up an interview for the job.
Speaker 7: Got that started in nineteen eighty four. So without Ernie
Speaker 7: caring about a twenty three year old kid, and he
Speaker 7: would have just brought me in, I'd have been with
Speaker 7: the Colts, hit a left. I'd have been gone at
Speaker 7: some point. ESPN would have had another draft analyst, and
Speaker 7: I don't know what that go I'd be doing right now, Dan, But.
Speaker 2: That leads me to what happen. Happen with Brent Musburger.
Speaker 2: I campaigned for him. I reached out to the Pro
Speaker 2: Football Hall of Fame, the Pete Roseld Award. I'd like
Speaker 2: to do the same with you. I think you should
Speaker 2: be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 7: I appreciate that, Dan, but I don't. I don't, I really,
Speaker 7: I never. I just believe there's so many people that
Speaker 7: just you get you're fortunate, you get a little lucky,
Speaker 7: on your side.
Speaker 5: You're around great people. I was, Dan, work with you.
Speaker 2: All those you you changed, You changed an industry. You
Speaker 2: what you have meant to the NFL can it's it's
Speaker 2: a different version of John Facenda, Like he was the
Speaker 2: voice and you were. You were the draft guy. Like,
Speaker 2: look at what it's a cottage industry that you created
Speaker 2: that is contributions to the game. I know you're modest,
Speaker 2: I don't care. I'm going forward with it. You you
Speaker 2: deserve to be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 8: You do, Dan.
Speaker 7: Your great friend Andy Poland has been saying the same thing.
Speaker 7: I tell Andy the same thing. You know, Andy, and
Speaker 7: he said he's gonna. I said, you know to me,
Speaker 7: you get into this and you see so many people
Speaker 7: that were responsible with ESPN for what's happened.
Speaker 5: So you say I did this.
Speaker 7: ESPN really did it, Dan, because they televised this thing
Speaker 7: when the NFL didn't want it to be televised.
Speaker 5: Think about that.
Speaker 7: Think about all the great producers that were from Bill
Speaker 7: Fitz who offered me that position in eighty four, all
Speaker 7: the way up John Wildhack. You think about what he did.
Speaker 7: Freddy Gadelli. Freddie Goadelli was able to coach me along
Speaker 7: and teach me so many things about this business. Jay Rothman,
Speaker 7: Brian Ryder now, Robert Dampsky, all the great producers.
Speaker 2: Way you're giving your Hall of Fame speech, Wayne.
Speaker 5: Markman is believing in me all these years. Seth has
Speaker 5: been a great friend.
Speaker 7: So all the ESPN guys, Dan, they were responsible, and
Speaker 7: all the people that cut those highlight packs, that all
Speaker 7: that worked behind, they were responsible for the drastics. That's
Speaker 7: keep in mind. Dan, ESPN televised draft before I got here. Okay,
Speaker 7: so the draft was on a ESPN because before I
Speaker 7: became a part of the telecast changed you changed.
Speaker 5: Well, I appreciate that. But for John for sending what
Speaker 5: you just said.
Speaker 2: The voice, that voice.
Speaker 7: Dan pulled people into the NFL.
Speaker 2: You're the hair, he's the voicemail.
Speaker 7: My great friend, You'll make great friends. George Young, right,
Speaker 7: late great George Young, Calvert Hall's owns. George Young, famous
Speaker 7: famous graduate of Calvert Hall history.
Speaker 5: Great friend of mine.
Speaker 7: Used to write me handwritten notes after he got the book,
Speaker 7: when suggestions and just thoughts. He'd called me during the
Speaker 7: draft even and give me, get me to tell him
Speaker 7: his opinion of what went on George Young always said
Speaker 7: one couple of things. He said, first of all, when
Speaker 7: you draft a player is just as important as who
Speaker 7: you select. So value is important. He said to me
Speaker 7: yours when I basically when I started ESPN, you got
Speaker 7: to you gotta get a voice, coach Mail, you got
Speaker 7: to get that ball to you gotta get that Baltimore
Speaker 7: accent out of that. You gotta lose that Baltimore accent.
Speaker 7: George Always, I said, Charles, I'm not.
Speaker 5: Going I gotta change it.
Speaker 7: Whatever I am, I am, and it's not. It doesn't
Speaker 7: resonate and his voice isn't getting done. I can't change
Speaker 7: my voice. George, you got to get that Baltimore accent
Speaker 7: and lose it. You're never gonna have any chance. So
Speaker 7: it was funny all the conversations I look back to
Speaker 7: with George and like Elady of course, and my great
Speaker 7: friend Jack Faulkner with the Ams was phenomenal back in
Speaker 7: the day. Today, I mean, all the way, all the
Speaker 7: way through my career between Jack Ernie George.
Speaker 2: Save it for your Hall of Fame speech, Save.
Speaker 5: It, I would say, give that up. You know, I
Speaker 5: got a lot of people in the lake that hate me.
Speaker 7: You know, I got a lot of a lot of
Speaker 7: people know they have hated me for a long time.
Speaker 7: I do not think anything n f L related through
Speaker 7: the Hall of Fame whatever, that will never work hand
Speaker 7: in hand.
Speaker 6: Then no.
Speaker 2: Uh, I'd say pace yourself, but you're not capable, and uh,
Speaker 2: good to talk to you. As always, We'll see you.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Take everybody