1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Welcome in second hour of play and Buck kicks off now, 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: Senator Marsha Blackburn of the Great State of Tennessee joins us. 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: Senator Blackburn, always good to chat with you. 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 2: Well, it is so good to chat with you. And 5 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 2: of course we've been a little bit busy here in DC. 6 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: Yes, and some good things happening. I think so often 7 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 1: in the world of commentary and talk radio, we have 8 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: to not only point out the serial failings of the Democrats, 9 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: but try to prod the Republicans to move a little 10 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: faster or a little further on something. But in this case, 11 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: I think a little bit of a golf clap may 12 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: be necessary, a little bit of a high five. The 13 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: Senate has pushed forward this recision package. Tell us a 14 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:47,279 Speaker 1: bit about what's contained and how does it feel to 15 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: be able to be a part of the Senate Senator 16 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: as they do something that Republicans have wanted to do 17 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: for pretty much my entire adult life. 18 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 2: Well, you're right about that, and I was looking at 19 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 2: something week Ronald Reagan started to push to try to 20 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 2: defund NPR and the Corporation for Public Broadcasts, And of 21 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 2: course we know that many times they have a very 22 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 2: biased view. They are anti conservative, and you can see 23 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 2: it when you go through and look at how they 24 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 2: covered the Democrat Convention and the Republican Convention. The Democrat 25 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,839 Speaker 2: Convention was nearly all positive coverage and the Republican nearly 26 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 2: all negative. Taxpayers do not want their funds to be 27 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 2: used for the Corporation for public broadcasts, addressing that, addressing 28 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 2: some of this wasteful spending that has taken place through 29 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 2: USAID and the State Department. When you look at vegan 30 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: food for Zambia, our electric buses in Rwanda, our voter 31 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 2: ID programs in Haiti, then and the list goes on 32 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 2: and on. We could talk for hours of things that 33 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 2: we were able to uncover that these agencies were taking 34 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: their appropriated funds for and spending the months, and taxpayers 35 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 2: don't want their hard earned dollars going for that. So 36 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: nine billion out of this year's by budget, drawing a 37 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 2: red line through those discretionary spending items, which is what 38 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 2: recisions are for. And then if you say out of 39 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 2: a ten year budget window all of that is gone, 40 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 2: that's about ninety billion dollars in shavings. 41 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 3: We're talking to Center Marshall Blackburn about all of the 42 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 3: successes that are taking place. Trump basically ran on economy, 43 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 3: border crime. It seems like he is delivering on all 44 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 3: three of those fronts, and I know sometimes they overlap. So, 45 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 3: for instance, the border and crime, we certainly know they're illegal, 46 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 3: violent perpetrators of crimes that should be moved from this country. 47 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 3: Can you remember, you've been in politics for a little 48 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 3: while now, can you remember a more consequential in terms 49 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 3: of delivering results on what someone ran on first six 50 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 3: months for a president than what we have seen so 51 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 3: far from Trump? 52 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: Because I can't. 53 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 2: I cannot the way he has has really buckled down. 54 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 2: And you know, Clay, we've talked about this a lot 55 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 2: in the last week, as we remembered a year ago 56 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 2: on Sunday that assassination attempt. He has been very intentional, 57 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 2: very purposeful. He made promises, he has kept those promises. 58 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 2: He's dealing with inflation, he is dealing with Paris, he's 59 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 2: dealing with our standing in the world. He has secured 60 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 2: that southern border. It is the lowest illegal entry into 61 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 2: this country we have ever seen. And we know that 62 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 2: he is making certain that things get done and we're 63 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 2: rebuilding the military, we are addressing waste, fraud, and abuse 64 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: in government programs. That is what people voted for. He 65 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:15,119 Speaker 2: is delivering and it is a joy to work with him, 66 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,359 Speaker 2: and when you see every single day how he is 67 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 2: sending power and authority and money back to the states, 68 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 2: getting it out of DC, draining the swamp, which he 69 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 2: said he would do, and sending power back to the people, 70 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 2: whether it's education or energy, or regulations or healthcare or benefits, 71 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 2: and saying, here, let's get it out of DC. Let's 72 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 2: get this money back where it belongs. 73 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 3: I think, I know I did. When you put out 74 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 3: I think it was a twenty point plan for President 75 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 3: Trump is basically the Republican platform for twenty twenty four. 76 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: Correct. 77 00:04:55,160 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 3: It was super succinct, It was very understandable. If you 78 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 3: go back and look at that, I think it's very 79 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 3: worthwhile maybe to bring that back around to circulate so 80 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 3: people can see it. It is one of the most 81 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 3: remarkably Hey, I'm going to do this, and then he's 82 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 3: delivered on it, and I get sometimes while he's a 83 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 3: little bit frustrated, because I don't know that we've ever 84 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 3: seen anything like that. Lots of politicians say they're going 85 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 3: to do things and then they don't deliver. That's a 86 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 3: very transactional document. And he's delivered on virtually every point 87 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 3: on that document that you guys put out. 88 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 2: You're right about that, and it was a joy to 89 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 2: chair that platform committee for him, and he was very 90 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 2: much engaged with that and is delivering. And as we 91 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 2: did the big beautiful bill, no tax on tips or overtime, 92 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 2: and the provision I have worked on for years, no 93 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 2: tax on Social Security, And of course we do that 94 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 2: by a six thousand dollars bonus deduction per senior per year. 95 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 2: So a couple marriage filing jointly that are sixty five 96 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 2: and over, that's twelve thousand dollars in bonus income tax 97 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 2: deductions for that couple, and that allows them to utilize 98 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 2: those funds basically tax free. But President Trump made these promises, 99 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 2: he said this is what we're going to do, and 100 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 2: he is delivering on every point, and the American people 101 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 2: are responding. You see, his polling numbers are better than 102 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 2: they have ever been. The Democrats, our friends on the left, 103 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 2: have gone so far off the cliff on the left 104 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 2: that many of my friends who are independents and Democrats 105 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 2: are going, oh my goodness, I can't go there with 106 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 2: them because of how radical they have become and some 107 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 2: of the socialist ideas that they have truly embraced and 108 00:06:58,080 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 2: are promoting. 109 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: Senator Blackburn, I know you're on the Judiciary Committee, and 110 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: a very interesting and certainly very qualified nominee just got 111 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: put through the Senate panel, right, Emil Bove, who had 112 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: defended President Trump in the past, a former federal prosecutor. 113 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: I was wondering if you could speak to the level 114 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: of opposition to somebody who seems to be so eminently 115 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: qualified for the US Court of Appeals for the third 116 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: Circuit from Democrats is well, why are they so opposed 117 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: to this one? And then also just give us a 118 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: sense as to how the judge confirmation machinery in the 119 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: Senate is working under Trump's term. So far, are you 120 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: getting through the nominees you want to? You need to? 121 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: How's that all going? 122 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 4: Well? 123 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 2: We are working on some more today and earlier this 124 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 2: week we did the first circuit point Court appointee, and 125 00:07:56,040 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: that is Whitney Hermann Dauffer out of Tennessee. She'll be 126 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 2: on the sixth Circuit. And you're referencing Emil Bovi and 127 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 2: Emo had represented President Trump at one point and had 128 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 2: worked with Todd blanche and we got him out of committee. Today. 129 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 2: The Democrats were so upset about this, they did not 130 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 2: want to approve him because they felt like he had 131 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 2: done this, that or the other wrong. But but what 132 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 2: they're going to do is nitpick. They're going to try 133 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 2: to find something and something's wrong with everybody and everything 134 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 2: that's related to President Donald Trump because they have Trump 135 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 2: Derangement syndrome. It is alive, it is out there, they 136 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 2: are living it. And what we did, as the Democrats 137 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 2: got up and walked out after the vote had started, 138 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 2: we continued the vote and he was approved and he has. 139 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 2: Now he will move to the floor for his confirmation vote, 140 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 2: and I hope we vote him very swiftly. Now, the 141 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 2: Democrats are trying to hold up every US Attorney, every 142 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 2: US marshal, every judicial appointment that we have because they 143 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 2: want to impair the ability of President Trump's administration to 144 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 2: carry out their agenda. So we are encouraging Senator Grassley 145 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 2: to find to force the issue of moving forward with 146 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 2: these nominees. Don't hold them over. Let's just as we 147 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 2: do the hearings. Let's move them to the floor. So 148 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 2: we can get them up for the vote vote, because 149 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 2: the Democrats are calling cloture on every single nominee, which 150 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 2: for your circuit judges is thirty hours on the clock 151 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 2: and for the others and for your US attorney it's 152 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 2: two hours. So if they're not going to work with us, 153 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 2: we should be working all night, every night, and every 154 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 2: weekend until we get people confirmed. 155 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 3: We're talking to Marsha Blackburn. I want to finish, Senator 156 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 3: from Tennessee. I want to finish with this and I'm 157 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 3: going to be hammering at home because I think there's 158 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 3: a lot of New Yorkers listening right now, and I 159 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 3: know there's a lot of Californians. Senator Blackburn is the 160 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 3: primary reason why there is no state income tax in 161 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,719 Speaker 3: the state of Tennessee. And for people out there who 162 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 3: are looking at Kami, Mom, Damie that's coming into New 163 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 3: York City, We've got a pretty good economic environment in 164 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 3: the state of Tennessee, wouldn't you suggest. 165 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 2: I think we have a great economic environment. And you know, Clay, 166 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 2: we talk a lot about how the leaving that fight 167 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 2: against the state income tax in Tennessee and killing that 168 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:51,239 Speaker 2: thing that required our state to go through a reset 169 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 2: and look at the programs where we were spending money 170 00:10:55,640 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 2: and to actually reduce what we were spending because we 171 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 2: didn't have the funds. And we have a balanced budget 172 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:08,199 Speaker 2: amendment for our states. And I think that the reason 173 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 2: you see Tennessee regularly as the number one are two 174 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 2: or three or four state for business and relocations and 175 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 2: business growth and GDP growth, it is because we are 176 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 2: a well managed state and we have made certain that 177 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 2: we will never have a state income tax. We actually 178 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 2: now have it as a part of our state constitution. 179 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 3: Amen, we'll talk to you again soon, Center Blackburn, appreciate 180 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 3: the work and we'll talk and we look forward to 181 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 3: chatting again soon, maybe about a big announcement. 182 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 1: Uh. 183 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 3: When you be amazed by what people can find when 184 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 3: it's time to move out of the family home going 185 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 3: through the process right now here in the Travis house. 186 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 3: I don't know when our house is going to be finished, 187 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 3: but I do know we have so many different memories 188 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 3: stacked up right now, ready to move. 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We want 216 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: to bring up to speed on some of the stories 217 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: we're going to be diving into with Professor Dershowitz himself, 218 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: so he'll you with this. He had that article on 219 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal laid out some of a clear 220 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: insider perspective on the on the Epstein case, and so 221 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: we'll ask him about some of that. And we've also 222 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: got interesting news from yesterday that just we'll we'll bring 223 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: to Professor Dershowitz is at which is that Pam Bondi 224 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: ag Bondi of the DOJ has fired Maureen Comy. That 225 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: name is familiar to all of you because Maureen Comy 226 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: is the daughter of James Comy, also known as Sanktacomy 227 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: to those of you who have been rolling along with 228 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: us for a long time. The most sanctumonious and smarmy 229 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: federal prosecutor and former FBI chief of perhaps all time 230 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: and marine Comy has been fired from the US Attorney's 231 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: office in Manhattan. She had previously worked on the prosecutions 232 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: of Gielen, Maxwell Jeffrey Epstein and most recently, and what 233 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: I think is was a clear failure of the prosecution 234 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: to do a good job the Sean Diddy Combe's case, 235 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: the Shawn Combs sex trafficking case in New York, where 236 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: they went with a rico charge, which Clay and I knew, 237 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: I'm not even a lawyer, and I was like, that's 238 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: a bad idea, and lawyer Clay agreed. So when the 239 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: two of us see it that way, guess what we were, right, Clay, 240 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: Maureen Comy getting fired by Bondie. I don't know if 241 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: we have more on this other than can't the ag five? 242 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: Are you you're serving at the pleasure of the president 243 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: when you at some level, right, you're appointed by the 244 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: president to be the US Attorney for so I assume 245 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: you're at the pleasure of the president. Therefore the age 246 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: on behalf of the president can just fire you because 247 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: they want to fire you, right? Is that? Is that not? 248 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 2: How? 249 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 3: I think that is an accurate read on it. I 250 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 3: would also point out that she just failed on the 251 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 3: Diddy prosecution. 252 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: Well yeah, so I just. 253 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, but I mean, I think if you 254 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 3: are just want to say, hey, this is a Entitan. 255 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 3: It's not based on who your dad is. It's not 256 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 3: based on his relationship with Trump. It's just you aren't 257 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 3: getting the job done. What is the conviction rate for 258 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 3: federal prosecutions, basically. 259 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: Ninety eight or it's some. It's if they bring the charge, 260 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: you're probably doing a plea deal. Because if you're going 261 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: you're going to prison for a very long time. 262 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 3: That is a tremendous uh swing and a miss by 263 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 3: federal prosecutors. So I actually think you could justify leave 264 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 3: aside whatever her last name is. I actually think that 265 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 3: case was such a mess and they so aggressively overcharged it. 266 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 3: As we said on this program, we were not surprised 267 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 3: by the not guilty verdict, but also they passed over 268 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 3: very routine convictions. They could have gotten them on gun charges, 269 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 3: they could have gotten them on drug charges, things that 270 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:41,239 Speaker 3: were not complicated and didn't need to get into trafficking 271 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 3: or consent or coercion and all this complicated things. For 272 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 3: a jury, all they had to do was say, hey, 273 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 3: he had didn't he have guns with serial numbers filed off. 274 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 3: I mean this is easy case stuff. I mean drugs 275 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 3: put in your possession, These are routine cases now they don't. 276 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: In fact, they're co located illegal drugs and fire arms. 277 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: That alone is that now you're talking federal, that's a 278 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: charge on its own. If you've got like a kilo 279 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: of cocaine in the safe next to next to your 280 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: AR fifteen, big problem, big problem. 281 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 3: So it's not as if they had a massive challenge. 282 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,719 Speaker 3: All they had to do was just basic blocking and tackling, 283 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 3: and they would have gotten convictions on those cases. So 284 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 3: the fact that they screwed all of that up, to 285 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 3: me is I think an indictment of her that would 286 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,199 Speaker 3: justify moving on. Now, does she not get the benefit 287 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 3: of the doubt because her last name is Comy. Probably 288 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 3: we'll talk about this a little bit with Dershowitz. Yeah, 289 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,199 Speaker 3: I think it's fair to say we'll talk about that 290 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,439 Speaker 3: a little bit with Dershowitz when we come back again. 291 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 3: He had the big interesting Wall Street Journal editorial, and 292 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 3: he was the defense attorney for Jeffrey Epstein during all 293 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 3: of these investigations that began back in two thousand and 294 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 3: five ish, So we will talk with him and get 295 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 3: the absolute latest there. But maybe you're dragging a little bit. 296 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 3: Maybe you don't have the energy that you. 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Welcome back into 317 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 3: Clay and Buck. We'll be with the hopefully pressor Gerschwick 318 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 3: here in a second. 319 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: It's busy man. We'll be calling him in the meantime, 320 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: But we had President Trump just now, I don't let's 321 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: not play the audio. Apparently the audio is so low 322 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: quality that for all of you listening all across this 323 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: country of ours, you'd be tough to make it out 324 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 1: to tell you. He was asked about by a reporter, 325 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 1: would you consider appointing a special council to investigate the 326 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: Epstein investigation that just happened? And President Trump responded, I 327 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 1: have nothing to do with it. So I think it 328 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: is very, very unlikely that that will happen. I've heard 329 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 1: some people saying that that's what they would like to happen. 330 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: Here some commentators out there, Clay. As far as I 331 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: can see it, there would have to be some reason 332 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: for a special council, and the reason is generally that 333 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: there's a conflict of interest. And so now now you're 334 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: you would be appointing a special counsel because you'd be saying, 335 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 1: I can't be trusted my administration, can't be trust the 336 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 1: DOJ to handle this internally, and to me that you're 337 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: just creating more problems. I don't see why that would 338 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: be helpful at all, and I think Trump is there's 339 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: almost no chance. In my mind, he's going to go 340 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: through with something like that. 341 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 3: Well, I think you can just go to the precedent 342 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 3: of the first Trump administration. I think a lot of 343 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 3: people would say they got knocked off their feet by 344 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 3: his frustration with his first Attorney General Sessions. I think 345 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 3: I'm remembering that correctly, right, the former Alabama senator who 346 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 3: was Trump's first attorney general not being willing to just say, hey, 347 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 3: there's nothing to this Russia collusion allegation. Instead you had 348 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 3: the step back, Hey, I've got a conflict. I can't 349 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 3: look at this. Here's the other challenge that I would say, 350 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 3: so I tweet about this a little bit. To me, 351 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 3: the solution is pretty simple. You need to have a 352 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 3: g Pambondi and Cash Pttel have a joint press conference, 353 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 3: answer every question that you possibly can on it. And 354 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 3: by the way, we're waiting on Alan Dershowitz. But I thought, 355 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 3: and so then you kind of draw the line there. 356 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 3: I think the challenge is how many people out there 357 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 3: are going to say, hey, I now trust the decision 358 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 3: that was rendered by the Independent Counsel if it endorses 359 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 3: the decisions made before by Pam Bondi and Cash Ptel 360 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 3: and by the way, I do think the political aspect 361 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 3: of this. Okay, We've got Alan Dershowitz with us now, 362 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 3: and Professor Dershowitz, we appreciate you joining us. We read 363 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,199 Speaker 3: some of your editorial yesterday in the Wall Street Journal, 364 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 3: and I just want to start with this question, because 365 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 3: probably the number one question that this audience has before 366 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 3: we dive into a few others. 367 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: You wrote about it in the editorial. 368 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 3: Evon Musk said Trump is in the Epstein files, this 369 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 3: larger Epstein universe of investigation. You say that is not 370 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 3: true based on what you know as the defense attorney 371 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 3: for Jeffrey Epstein for many years. What is Trump's role 372 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 3: or involvement in any way in this larger context? 373 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 4: There's no evidence that Trump is accused of having done 374 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 4: anything improper wrong sexual Donald Trump knew Jeffrey Epstein in 375 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 4: Palm Beach. They hung out together, he said some nice 376 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 4: things about him in an article for Vanity Fair, and 377 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 4: then they got into a fight either over a real 378 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 4: estate matter or about an impropriety of Epstein in relation 379 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 4: to the du order of one of the guests at 380 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,959 Speaker 4: marl Lago, and their relationship terminated. Of course, he's in 381 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 4: the files. Half the people in Palm Beacher in the files. 382 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 4: I'm in the files. Of course, I flew on his airplane. 383 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 4: I was his lawyer. All of his lawyers flew on 384 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 4: the airplane, but we never I never flew with anybody 385 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 4: who was young or underage or anything like that. So 386 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 4: there's a big confusion about the file. The file contains, 387 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 4: you know, so many people, thousands and thousands and thousands 388 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 4: of innocent people, and then there's the accusation. So there 389 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 4: are two issues as to the accusation. There is no 390 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 4: client list. Let's be very clear. Jeffrey Epstein never compiled 391 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 4: the list of people to whom he allegedly trafficked any 392 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 4: young woman. It just doesn't exist. It never existed, and 393 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 4: I've never said it existed, and nobody I know has 394 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 4: ever said it existed. Nobody has ever seen it. What 395 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 4: there is is this. The FBI interviewed some of the 396 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 4: alleged victims, and the alleged victims named some people, and 397 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 4: those names have been redacted. I know who those people are. 398 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,719 Speaker 4: There's nobody in the current government. There's no Donald Trump, 399 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 4: there's no Bill Clinton, there's nobody. Give you an example, 400 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 4: A woman named Sarah Ransom wrote a series of emails 401 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 4: to The New York Post to Marine Callahan of The 402 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 4: New York Post. In it, she accused Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, 403 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 4: and Richard Branson of having underage sex with minors and 404 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 4: said she had videos of them. This was in the 405 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 4: run up to the election of twenty sixteen. Wow wow, wow, 406 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 4: big news. So they did an investigation and this woman, 407 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:25,479 Speaker 4: Sarah Ransom, admitted to The New Yorker that she made 408 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 4: up the whole story. Come to whole cloth. She didn't 409 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 4: know anybody. She just made up the story because she 410 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 4: wanted to have something on Jeffrey Epstein. So that's the 411 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 4: kind of thing you get, these kinds of fake accusations, 412 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 4: And of course the courts don't reveal the fake accusations 413 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 4: because they want to protect the so called victims. Now, 414 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 4: Sarah Ransom was not a victim. She's a perpetrator. She 415 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 4: falsely accused people and admitted. But she is being protected 416 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 4: and the people that she accused are not being protected. 417 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 4: So that's what is going on on here, and that's 418 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 4: why some of the courts have been so concerned about 419 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 4: revealing half truth accusations without going and looking at who 420 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 4: the accusers are. 421 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 1: Professor Dershowitz on the issue of the allegations conspiracy, however 422 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: one wants to frame it of foreign intelligence contacts specifically, 423 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 1: the allegation has been leveled by some pretty big voices 424 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 1: out there. You mentioned I think in your editorial that 425 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: this has happened, that they're saying it's Israel, that there's 426 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: Masad connection here, and you address that. Could you lay 427 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 1: out your case here as a former lawyer for Jeffrey Epstein, 428 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: why you say the foreign intel thing just doesn't hold water? 429 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 4: Well, First of it, was also a former lawyer for 430 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 4: the Mosade. I represented the Masad back in the day 431 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,880 Speaker 4: when five of their agents were arrested in Cyprus, and 432 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 4: the Mosade retained me pro bono to represent these five people, 433 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,199 Speaker 4: and I got them out. I have good sources in 434 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 4: Israeli intelligence and I can tell you with one hundred 435 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 4: percent assurance there's never been any contact between Israeli intelligence 436 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 4: or Israel in general and Jeffrey Epstein, he became friendly 437 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 4: after all this happened with it had Brock, the former 438 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 4: prime minister. They did business dealings together, but there's never 439 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 4: been any contact with intelligence and the former Prime Minister 440 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 4: of Israel Bennett looked into it again and stated on 441 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 4: behalf of Israel basically that there's no truth to it 442 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 4: at all. And this is logical. It would be impossible. 443 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 4: What if he had worked for any intelligence agency? Mosads 444 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 4: ed the agency. Who's the first person who would have 445 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 4: told his lawyers, me and the other lawyers when we 446 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 4: were trying to get a good deal for him. The 447 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 4: best thing we could have had going for us is, 448 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,719 Speaker 4: oh my god, the guy worked for an intelligence agency. 449 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 4: Even alone. He never told us that, And quite the opposite, 450 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 4: he denied any information that would be helpful to him 451 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 4: along those lines. So it's a completely made up story. 452 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 4: Now I know the reason for the made up story. 453 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 4: Made up story had the following basis. His former girlfriend, 454 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 4: Gallainne Maxwell, is now in prisons. Father, Robert Maxwell, who's 455 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 4: a publisher in England, may well have had some connections 456 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 4: to the Mosad, And so Tucker Carlson probably said, oh 457 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 4: my god, his girlfriend, his father had connections. He probably 458 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 4: did too. But then Tucker Carlson goes further and says, 459 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:40,199 Speaker 4: everybody in Washington knows. Everybody in Washington knows that he 460 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 4: works for the Masade. That's just blatant bigotry, and it's 461 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 4: just wrong and it's just not credible, and he ought 462 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 4: to take that back. Nobody in Washington knows that. The 463 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 4: CIA doesn't know it, The White House doesn't know it. 464 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 4: I don't know anybody credible who believes that Jeffrey Epstein 465 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 4: would have been hired by the Mosad or by the CIA. 466 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 4: It's absurd. 467 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 3: A lot of people point to the initial prosecution. You 468 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 3: were the defense attorney for Jeffrey Epstein, that was called 469 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 3: a quote sweetheart deal. You say Epstein was actually upset 470 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 3: with the deal that he got. How does that deal 471 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 3: compare to you to other criminal defendants. Was it a 472 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 3: sweetheart deal that he got initially? 473 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,919 Speaker 4: No, in fact, it was a worse deal. What we 474 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 4: did is we did a complete analysis of every single 475 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,199 Speaker 4: case that was comparable. And remember, the only thing he 476 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 4: was charged with, the only thing he was charged with 477 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 4: was having sexual contact, not sexual intercourse, sexual contact massages 478 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 4: with two women, one way above the age of consent 479 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 4: and the other but for money, so it was a. 480 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: Crime, and the other. 481 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 4: I think three or four months below the aging consent, 482 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 4: seventeen and a half years old. That's we did a 483 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 4: thorough analysis. I did that analysis personally of every case 484 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 4: in Broward County, in Palm Beach County and Miami and 485 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 4: Dade County, of people who were charged with that kind 486 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 4: of thing, not a single one of them got any 487 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 4: prison time. So we went to the the people in 488 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 4: charge and we said, you know, fair is fair. Let's 489 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 4: give him a sentence that corresponds to prepass sentences. Ultimately, 490 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 4: we worked at it where he sentenced to eighteen months 491 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 4: in jail and he'd have to register as a sex offender. 492 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 4: Epstein was furious at that. He fired me, wouldn't pay 493 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 4: my legal fee. Thought I was a terrible lawyer because 494 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 4: I got him such a bad deal. You know, I 495 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 4: thought it was a pretty good deal. And as a 496 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 4: result of that deal. By the way, that's how the 497 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 4: FEDS got involved, because the police officials in Palm Beach 498 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 4: County thought they could do better. So they went to 499 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 4: the well. 500 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: They thought Professor drshwuids they thought there was a lot 501 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: of others. I mean, there were a lot of other 502 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: allegations of more serious stuff that were out there that 503 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: certainly came to light later. 504 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 4: He was that's right, but he was not charged with 505 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 4: any of that right, So he pleaded guilty. The only 506 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 4: things he's ever pleaded guilty to or these two charges 507 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 4: involving a seventeen year old and I don't remember twenty 508 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 4: one or twenty two year old something like that, but 509 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 4: those are the only heatings have ever charged with until later, 510 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 4: and then years later, I was not his lawyer after that. 511 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 4: I stopped being his lawyer once this was over. The 512 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 4: first case was over, he was charged with a lot more. 513 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 4: By the way, the reason that he was charged with 514 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 4: the state case not a federal case back in two 515 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 4: thousand and six because they had no proof that he 516 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 4: had ever taken women across state lines. All the young 517 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 4: people that he had any contact with were from Palm Beach. 518 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 4: These were mostly teenagers who worked in what were called 519 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 4: I had never heard this term before, but I learned 520 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 4: that when I was doing the investigation whack shacks. They 521 00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 4: were places in the West Palm Beach where you'd go 522 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 4: and pay one hundred dollars and you'd get a happy 523 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 4: ending massage. And so Epstein would go and as people 524 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 4: would go, and they'd go to these young girls will 525 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 4: may get a hundred bucks, and said, you know, we 526 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 4: know a guy who'll give you two hundred dollars if 527 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 4: you do the same thing, and that's how it started. 528 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 4: So it was all local and they couldn't get him 529 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 4: on federal charge because it's not a crime to pay 530 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 4: for sex locally. It's not a federal crime, it's a 531 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 4: state crime. So we pleaded to that state crime. 532 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: We're talking to Professor Alan Dershowitz. I put up a poll. 533 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 3: Seventy percent of people who respond to that poll said 534 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 3: they believe that cash matel Pam BONDI Donald Trump are 535 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 3: lying about what's in the Epstein case in front of 536 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 3: them right now. I imagine that those same seventy percent are 537 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 3: going to say, well, of course Alan Dershowitz is going 538 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 3: to lie now too. 539 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: What should happen? 540 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 4: What interest would I have in lying? I have no 541 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 4: interest in the case at this point. I've been completely 542 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 4: cleared and vindicated of anything improper or wrong. I'm just 543 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 4: there to try to straighten out the record. I know 544 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 4: the facts. I looked at the investigation. What should happen 545 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 4: is what I said should have happened from day one. 546 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 4: Everything should be revealed. But by everything, I mean not 547 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 4: only the accusations, some of which are false. We know 548 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 4: that the Sarah ansom accusations were false. Everything should be revealed, 549 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 4: including the negative information about the accusers, and there's lots 550 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 4: of negative information about the accusers. Some of the accusers 551 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 4: ultimately helped Epstein recruit young women, and so everything should 552 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 4: come out. But what shouldn't happen is selective release, that is, 553 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 4: just the accusations without the negative information about the accusers. 554 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 4: That would be unfair with fairst to reproduce everything so 555 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 4: that the public court of public opinion people can make 556 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 4: fair judgment as to who's guilty and who's not. Look, 557 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 4: we know the names of people who have been accused. 558 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 4: They are that some of the most distinguished people. These 559 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 4: are public records. George Mitchell, the man who brought about 560 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 4: peace in Ireland, peace in in the former Yugoslavia. He 561 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 4: was accused of having unprotected sex on a half a 562 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 4: dozen occasions. Another person was Bill Richardson that's been made public. 563 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 4: He was the former ambassador to the u N. Another 564 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 4: person was a who Barack. And so we don't know 565 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 4: whether there's any truth to any of these accusations. We 566 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 4: know they're out there, and you know they've been covered 567 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 4: widely in the press. The Miami Herald wrote article after 568 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 4: article after article by a totally one sided and biased 569 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 4: a journalist who was trying to get the pull of 570 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 4: surprise and didn't because her her reporting was not was. 571 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: Not accuratest question about this or were you here? And 572 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: we have shade the time? 573 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 3: Has President Trump asked your advice about what he should do? 574 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 3: And just to reiterate, he is not named, accused anything 575 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 3: like that based on everything you've seen. 576 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 4: No, no, not at all. I'm not. I can tell 577 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 4: you categorically he's not accused. And no, he's not sort 578 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 4: my advice. I have written my op ed in the 579 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 4: Wall Street Journal, I've talked about it and shows like 580 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 4: you words. I'm you know, right now on a book 581 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,439 Speaker 4: tour promoting my book, The Preventive State, and so I'm 582 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 4: anxious to have television and radio interviews. And while i 583 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 4: was on my book tour for the Preventive State, this 584 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 4: story broke. And so I've been talking about the story 585 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 4: one than i've been talking about my book. 586 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 1: Thank you with time, sir, Thank you so much. 587 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 4: Sure we'll be right back. 588 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 1: I've got a lot to unpack there. 589 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, you ain't imagining it. The world has gone insane. 590 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 5: Reclaim your sanity with Clay and fun. 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