1 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Mets of the Podcast presented by 2 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: Fox One and The Toy twenty five New York Mets 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: season was a failure. So there's gonna be a lot 4 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 1: of guys who will not return. We're gonna give you 5 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: our ten players we think will not return for the 6 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: twenty twenty sixth season. Maybe I don't know. I don't 7 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 1: know how sad this is gonna be. We'll see and 8 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: you'll know why we see because the first guy we're 9 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: starting off with is Pete Alonso an article, but Mike 10 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: Puma just came out and Pete was saying, well, I 11 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: shouldn't say Pete. Mike Puma was saying some pretty crazy 12 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: stuff that Pete might have said through especially being yeah, 13 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: through Scott Bors, especially that Pete is looking for a 14 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: seven year contract. And when you see that and hear 15 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: that Pete is hoping and wishing with Scott Bors is 16 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: an agent for a seven year contract, all of a sudden, 17 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: I don't feel as confident that the Mets are gonna 18 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: bring him back. 19 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 2: Can I read you some of the big quotes from 20 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 2: the article? 21 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: Please do so. 22 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 2: The one big thing, like you just said, the seven 23 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 2: year contract, So is Puma writes. Alonzo turns thirty one 24 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 2: in December, is expected to seek a contract of at 25 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 2: least seven years, a length consistent with deals to players 26 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 2: agent Scott Boris completed in recent seasons for Marcus Emion 27 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 2: and Matt Chapman at the same age. Chapman received six 28 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 2: year extension from the Giants after his first season with 29 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 2: the club on a different contract, And to that, I 30 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 2: think the biggest difference clearly that you can tell right 31 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 2: off the bat between Pete Alonso, Matt Chapman, and Marcus 32 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 2: Emion is those guys both play elite, top end, high 33 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 2: end defense, arguably at the time at the positions the 34 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 2: best defense in the entire league at not premium positions 35 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 2: but just a hair below premium positions, while Pete Alonso 36 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 2: very much does not. And that's kind of been the 37 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 2: sticking point with Pete's contract the last twelve months. 38 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 1: And the one thing I will say for Pete's benefit 39 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: is one thing that he does that those guys don't do. 40 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: He's just he's a significantly better hitter. He absolutely mashes. 41 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: He's an elite power hitter in the game. Those guys 42 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: are good hitters, great Pete is on a different level. 43 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: The difference there is the defense and the idea that 44 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: where's Pete's home going to ultimately be in four years, 45 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: can still be able to play first base is gonna 46 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: be a dh You just don't pay that kind of money, 47 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: And it's it is still crazy to me that in 48 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: a time where we have other first basemen to comp 49 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,959 Speaker 1: contracts off of, especially guys like Freddy Freeman and Matt Olson, 50 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: guys who are comparable to Pete, if not better at times, 51 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: at least comparable, and their contracts don't look like what 52 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: Pete is asking for. Like, I don't know if Pete 53 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: wants seven at one forty, sure I'd pay him any day. 54 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: You want twenty million dollars a year, not a problem. 55 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: But we know Pete's gonna be looking for that thirty 56 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: million dollars a year price range, and at seven years 57 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: that feels kind of insane. 58 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 2: I don't I don't think i'd ever consider a seven 59 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 2: year deal for Pele Alonzo. 60 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: Now, there's not not for one that feels so cheap. 61 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,519 Speaker 1: At that point, he's gonna he's gonna hit thirty five 62 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: home runs a year for the next five I feel 63 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: like you can pencil him in there. Once he gets 64 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: like thirty five, thirty six, you get worried. 65 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 2: You're probably looking for pe Alonzo and we'll get some 66 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 2: more of this pouh mo raticle in the second this 67 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 2: is discussion. Now you're probably looking for plans, and once 68 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 2: he turns thirty four, we're just still ways away. I 69 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 2: think you still get three very high end seasons for 70 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 2: pe Alonso's what I'm saying. Yeah, there's a clear but 71 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 2: then you're talking about the set year deal. There is 72 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: a clear and obvious world where Pete's entering his age 73 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 2: thirty four to thirty five age season and you're looking 74 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 2: at it two for the hit with three hundred one 75 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 2: base percentage sure, no tins of value without a doubt. Yes, yes, 76 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 2: And I know that people still even with that nash 77 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 2: Is thirty five home runs, but just you're there's definitely 78 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 2: a play Discipmlin floor with Pete and an on base 79 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 2: percentage floor with Pete. And there's also funny thing. I 80 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 2: didn't even realize this Semion heading into that contract that 81 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 2: he got with the Rangers, that six year deal, he 82 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 2: had two out of three seasons where he had actually 83 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 2: a higher ops and Alonso did this year. 84 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: Yes, and played premium defense at second base. They're not. 85 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 2: It's a weird like. 86 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: I know why Scott Boris is comparing them, because he 87 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: has to make perfect sense. But for anybody who thinks 88 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: about it for I don't know ten seconds, you go, 89 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: wait a second, these are I like Pete more, but 90 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: they're not the same kind of player in terms of value. 91 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: And especially when we hear David Sertins talk about how 92 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: much they want to value defense even though we don't 93 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: think first base is that important. He's not going to 94 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: give seven years to a guy who probably for half 95 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: that's gonna end up being a full time DH. 96 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 2: And at the same time, when Semi and did have 97 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 2: two of those three seasons, those were the outliers in 98 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 2: his career to that point. Those are the only two 99 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 2: seasons of Semi's entire career he even had an OPS 100 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: above seven to fifty, and it was an eight ninety 101 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 2: and an eight seventy. So it's kind of you kind 102 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 2: of look back and like, Okay, this probably was a 103 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 2: bad deal. Chapman. I think you could probably strike more 104 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 2: comparisons because Chapman does have a lot of the elite 105 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 2: underlying hitting things that Pete does have. The production's never 106 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 2: been as great as Pete, and of course the defense 107 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 2: is much better. But for some reason, and Scott Boris 108 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 2: and Pete have tried to do this the entire time 109 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 2: they've been talking about. 110 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:31,679 Speaker 1: For it hasn't worked. 111 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 2: For a second, try to link Pete to other players 112 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 2: who are not lumbering first basement, it just does. It 113 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 2: just simply doesn't work. I think the rest of the 114 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 2: league sees that seven year deal and basically the whole 115 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 2: league scoffs. I think the most amount of years Pete 116 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 2: will get from anyone, I think is five. I think 117 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 2: that's the Seals nice here you go, there you go. 118 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 2: And sadly, I do think it might be a team 119 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 2: like the Los Angeles Angeles v Anaheim, a team that 120 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 2: maybe isn't that sharp on the margins, the team that's 121 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,799 Speaker 2: not really thinking a full breath manner. 122 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: I think there's a world where the Red Sox could 123 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: be on Pete. Again, it really does depend where it 124 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: wants this contract to be though, because at seven years, 125 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: there's almost nobody who's gonna give him that. I don't know, 126 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: like you said, the Angels might be dumb enough to 127 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: do that, and that's also disrespectful to Pete, but it's 128 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 1: just you're you're not getting that contract. I want Pete 129 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: back on the Mets. But if these are if this 130 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: is the flag he's planted him and Boris and this 131 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 1: is what they're gonna fight for, We're gonna see Pete 132 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: on the free agent market until March, and then the 133 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: Mets will be totally back in. And until then, I 134 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: don't think the Mets are gonna be even slightly close 135 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: to getting him. 136 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 2: And I'll say this too, it's just to piss off 137 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 2: more of you guys, but also still be fair to Pete. 138 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 2: I have a lot of these same concerns with another 139 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 2: guy in the frigle market and Mets fans want, like 140 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 2: Kyle Shwarbur. I think that's another guy. I wouldn't give 141 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 2: more than three years to him four years old. 142 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: He's a three year deal, one hundred percent. 143 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 2: But in my world, yes, and I thin again Pete again, 144 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 2: something like four years seems like the sweet spot for 145 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 2: Pete because I still don't know if to take it, 146 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 2: and also maybe another opt out because we know that 147 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 2: year that there were a lot of rumors and they've 148 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 2: kind of been corroborated. The Mets were willing to go 149 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 2: to the three four year line for Pete. He wanted 150 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 2: the short term deal to prove his worth, which is 151 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 2: where this next big quote from the Puma article will 152 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 2: come in. After the negotiations stalled last January, team officials 153 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 2: convened with Alonzo and Tampa Florida in attempt to strike 154 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,239 Speaker 2: a deal. An animated Alonzo, according to sources, told President 155 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 2: of Baseball Operations David Stearns that in the long run 156 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 2: he planned to be hitting five hundred home runs and 157 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 2: go to the Hall of Fame, whether it was for 158 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 2: the Mets or someone else. Alonzo's impassioned statements may have 159 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 2: left a impression on Cohen, who hadn't really gotten to 160 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 2: know the first basement to that point. So I think 161 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 2: that quote does just weird. Well, it's kind of weird, 162 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 2: but I do believe I can see Pete getting like 163 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 2: a little bit agitated in these kind of situations. 164 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: Oh, that's not even the weird part for me. I 165 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: can I can see Pete Alonso being like, bro, I'm 166 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: gonna have five hundred home runs with you or with 167 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: somebody else, like and Worr is almost telling him to 168 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: say that kind of stuff as well, like coaching him up. 169 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: The weird part was Cohen didn't really know him. He's 170 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: been there the entire time Coen's owned the team. 171 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 2: I think the part of this too, that it's important 172 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 2: because I think it's the it's the way that Boris 173 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 2: is going to try and lead these negotiations, is driving 174 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 2: a wedge between Cohen Sterns and the fan base, you 175 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 2: know what I mean. 176 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: It's kind of like what happened at the end of 177 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: last year when they had the Mets fan Fest and 178 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: everyone was treat chanting. We resigned a Lonzo and again, 179 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: I'm glad we did this is not you know, Monday 180 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: Morning quarterback being like we should never signed up. Love Pete, 181 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: want him back. But that was also a little bit 182 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: of a wedge too, because that everyone in the Mets 183 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: community was like Cohen told Sterns to go get Pete, 184 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: not the other way around. Even though I do think 185 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: people overplay how much impact David SERTs actually has on 186 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: these negotiations and deals. 187 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think actually I would say David Seran has 188 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 2: played this perfectly and he got the exact deal for 189 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 2: Pete that he wanted. And something that was good for 190 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 2: the team and for Pete himself. But again, right now, 191 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 2: Pete is steadfast and he wants five, six or seven. 192 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 2: I don't see the Mets doing that me either. I 193 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 2: just think that that probably has to come down if 194 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:52,679 Speaker 2: he's going to be realistic about his market. 195 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and if that's it, that's why he's at the 196 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: top of this video of Mets who won't return. I 197 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: just at that price point, which sounds crazy for a 198 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: team that has all the money in the world, But 199 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: you just you can't take bad contracts. I was arguing 200 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: with people on Twitter about this the other day. It's 201 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: all about contracts. Still, at the end of the day, 202 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: we just got off the bat slogan Marte when we 203 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: took the bad Robinson can no one in the past 204 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: James McCann like, we've had bad contracts. I think as 205 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: a fan base, we should be tired of that and 206 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: be like, how do we make a sustainable team rather 207 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: than this year is the only year and then we go, 208 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: oh shit, four years from now, where fuck we have 209 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: no money. 210 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 2: And I think there's also part of this too where 211 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 2: fans I think players expect to be rewarded for things 212 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 2: like loyalty and consistency and achievement. But I think the 213 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 2: reality is that you get paid in baseball free agency 214 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 2: for what you will do, not what you have done. 215 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: And that is kind of they used to be the 216 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: other way around. 217 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 2: Definitely, this has been like a seven eight year time 218 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 2: period with this change, but that is kind of a 219 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 2: tough pill to swallow, especially for a guy like Pets 220 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 2: like Bro. They they're forty home runs, one hundred and 221 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 2: twenty RBIs what's the fucking problem here? Like I'm fun, 222 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 2: everyone loves me, like this is it? But answering his 223 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 2: age thirty one season, where again all the all the 224 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 2: big metrics of Pete ticked up, like he checked out. 225 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 2: He checked a lot of huge boxes year, especially the 226 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 2: ound line stuff, the fact that the batspeed trended back up, 227 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 2: the fact that he hit the ball hard more consistently, 228 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 2: and we kind of took shots of Pete at last, 229 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 2: not took shots, which is the points we were critical 230 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 2: at with Pete was the fact that it seemed like 231 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 2: sometimes too often he was taking his B swing. He 232 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 2: was just kind of too willing to lay the ball 233 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 2: off seat like he was seeking batting average but not 234 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 2: able to find it because he wasn't using his strength, 235 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 2: which is hitting for power. This year he said fuck that, 236 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 2: he said, fuck the bet swing. I'm going to hit 237 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 2: tanks all the time. He really covered the outside the 238 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 2: play better and with power, and that's how the batting 239 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 2: average and everything rose, while also the power metrics and 240 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 2: all like that stuff rose. But at the same time, 241 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 2: so doesn't pull the ball a lot. He swings and 242 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 2: misses a good bit relatively, like he doesn't walk a ton, 243 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 2: and we know the defense is bad. Those are things 244 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 2: that when you look at the guy aging between thirty one, 245 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 2: thirty two, thirty three thirty four, can really curtail your production. 246 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 2: So that's kind of where That's why it's a very 247 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 2: interesting free agency period right now. 248 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: And I can't wait to make a hundred videos on 249 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: it until he signs with the team eventually. So this 250 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: will not be the last you hear of us talking 251 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: about that. Let's move on to the next player that 252 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 1: won't return on this team, Edwin Diaz. I think these 253 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: are the two most interesting players to talk about. I 254 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: weirdly think he will just because I actually have a 255 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: weird feeling in my chest that David surt Is like 256 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 1: I actually I need Edwin Diaz back, like now that 257 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: I have money. This is one of those where it 258 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,599 Speaker 1: might not be stupid to actually pay one of the 259 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: best relievers in the game, who's always been one of 260 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: the best relievers in the game, except with the juice baseball, 261 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: the money that he deserves, like he's just he is 262 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: a game changer. The Mets win seventy five games if 263 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 1: Edwin Diaz isn't on this team. That's crazy to say, 264 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: but it's true. 265 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 2: And I know we missed the playoffs. People like I'm 266 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 2: not saying anyone would actually say this, but logically, like, oh, 267 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 2: you missed the playoffs, but this guy, you can miss 268 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 2: the playoffs without this guy. When you watch these playoff games, 269 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 2: you see how valuable it is to have a mutant 270 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 2: in the back of your bullpen. And the fact that 271 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 2: we have the king of the mutants, Edwin Diaz, the 272 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 2: guy who is I'll still say the second best reliever 273 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 2: in baseball behind Mason Miller. Yeah, I think that's fair. 274 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, because like a role Chapman, great year, but Edwin 275 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: Diaz is still better than a role as Chapman, he 276 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: just might have had a better season. 277 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 2: Edmund also I had a tremendous season. That's incredible. Yeah, 278 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 2: But I also think there'll be a point here with 279 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 2: Edwin where he is opting out. He's over thirty years old. 280 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 2: He already is the highest paid reliever in baseball. He 281 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 2: has both the highest AAV and the highest total value 282 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 2: of his contract. 283 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: Did hater not break that? 284 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 2: No, Hey, there's a nineteen edwins of twenty. Hayter was 285 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 2: five for ninety five. Edwe was five for hundred two. Well, okay, 286 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 2: so I do think that you'd be like, hey, let's 287 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 2: just run just ske I'll give We'll give you another 288 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 2: year or two on the back with the same deal. 289 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 2: Let's not make this crazy. If you do go to 290 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 2: free agency, we are going to hit with the qualifying offer, 291 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 2: because that's the business of the game. If you're hit 292 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 2: with the qualifying offer, it's really good to dampen your 293 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 2: market when you might beat this AAV, but you might 294 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 2: have opted out for less years, and no one wants 295 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 2: that to happen. No one wants to do that. Edwin 296 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 2: lost a couple of ticks in that fastball this year 297 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 2: or a tick. We know that you worry about the 298 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 2: two pitch picture, like Edwin again about agent, but we don't. 299 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 2: It's still so elite, similar to Pete with his bat 300 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 2: speed right now, where I think we have ample time 301 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 2: before you can possibly fall off a cliff. And that's 302 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 2: the case, you got two through more years of Edward's 303 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 2: probably one of the five best relievers in baseball. I 304 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 2: think it makes sense for everybody to come back together. 305 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. The only thing that reason he's on this video 306 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: is because if Edwin he has, like I want six 307 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: years at one hundred and twenty, you can you can 308 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: kiss him goodbye. And I think there's a world where 309 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: he might ask that because the numbers are that good. 310 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 2: But who would give that to him? 311 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: The Los Angeles Angels. I come back to them every 312 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: single time, every time I think of a bad contract. 313 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 1: The Angels. I mean there are some teams that probably. 314 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm like, you have a Pete now too, 315 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 2: But a team like the Nationals probably have tons of 316 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 2: money to spend trying to make a splash. But also 317 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 2: they're talking about the Yankees, Fredwin, Yeah, I mean the Yankee, 318 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 2: but the yank We know how unwilling the Yanks have 319 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 2: been to go over those luxury tax and they are 320 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 2: getting about the Dodgers. I mean I would, I don't. 321 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 2: I think we end this podcast possibly, but I only 322 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 2: wanted to put that. Put you to put that in 323 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 2: universe like people throw around the Phillies too, But like, 324 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 2: all right, then you move Bryce Harper back to the outfield. 325 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 2: You got you got another athletic, athletic. 326 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: Dude to put in the middle out of Alonzo. 327 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, with Alonso, I got the Nationals are a 328 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,319 Speaker 2: team and now they popped off my head. They're interesting for. 329 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: Both these guys, but they also are still so far away. 330 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 2: They're so far away. But do you have to start 331 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 2: to make people believe in something? But that will come 332 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 2: down to it for these guys as well. And I 333 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 2: know it probably is hard to sell the concept of 334 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 2: how good we are, how committed we are to winning, 335 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 2: not the commitment to winning, but how much we want 336 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 2: we can win. Is how bad this season was. But 337 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 2: if you're Peter Edwin and you're looking at another year 338 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,839 Speaker 2: in an extra few million dollars aav for another team 339 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 2: that might suck, and they're giving you this contract because 340 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 2: maybe they're not the most prudent in terms of how 341 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 2: they run their team, do you even take that I. 342 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: Don't know, like the Mets may not win every year, 343 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: they may have bad years, but it does feel like, 344 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: at least organizationally, they're going to try to win. 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He 375 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 2: was in that clubhouse that we don't know what it 376 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 2: was like all year, and he was just saying nah. 377 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: Maybe it's also the change the Mets need, like you 378 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: just men shed with that one and haven't one with them. 379 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: I don't like Pete's awesome, but maybe maybe he's not 380 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: the answer. 381 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 2: I mean, we talk about a lot. I do think 382 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 2: he is, though, but we talk about a lot though. 383 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 2: The will pond stench some on this roster and some 384 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 2: of these players in this organization. I think another guy 385 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 2: that has this that definitely could have played his last 386 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 2: game as a Met is Jeff McNeil. 387 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: I think there's a more than likely chance he is 388 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: not on this team by opening day. 389 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 2: And he's a guy who I mean, he's a friend 390 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 2: of the channel. We do love Jeff, but there's the 391 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 2: way this has gone the last few years, the way 392 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 2: that he kind of yells a lot. It seems like 393 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 2: there could be a point where the emotion will strength 394 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 2: of the stability of this team might be a little 395 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 2: bit better if he's not there, despite the fact that 396 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 2: he can still help a baseball team win. 397 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why maybe they would trade him is because 398 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: he has his contract will only be one year left 399 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: right like last year would be his last year with 400 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: the Mets anyway, so it's a little more moveable at 401 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: being an expiring contract and the fact that he can 402 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: help you win right now is enticing for a team, 403 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: especially because it's only one year to pay him. It 404 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: is a lot of money. But at the same time, 405 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: the Mets have some younger players coming up. We know 406 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: Jet Williams is on his way up. He could be 407 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: a guy who be playing second base. Brett Batty could 408 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: play second base if the Mets want to go out 409 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: and get the third basement their second basement available. There's 410 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: there's a world where Jeff McNeil, I don't want to 411 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: say it becomes redundant, but for the possible strife he 412 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: could cause, maybe in the Mets clubhouse, or for the vibes, 413 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: not that we know so, not that we know, we 414 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: don't know anything, but he has a bit of a 415 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: hard o sometimes maybe the Mets, maybe the Mets go 416 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: not anymore. Again, It's kind of the thing where it's like, 417 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: how many times are we gonna keep running out the 418 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: same team and expect a different outcome when most of 419 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: these guys have been here for five six years and 420 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: we haven't seen anything really close besides last year, which 421 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: was a miracle. 422 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, And at the same time, I think Jeff neil 423 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 2: can still be a tick better than the league average 424 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 2: hither and a space and at a tike bet and 425 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 2: a plus average, a plus defender at second base. 426 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: I wouldn't feel bad if Jeff is on this team 427 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: next year in twenty twenty six, I would not feel bad. 428 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: I would not be upset I just again in this video, 429 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: we're speculating, and I have a good chance Dave serns 430 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: my try and cash in on Jeff McNeil right now. 431 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 2: And there is this world where kind of like we're saying, 432 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 2: there might just be a value in shuffling up this 433 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 2: roster a lot like getting in some youth, getting in 434 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 2: some new faces and new personalities, some new heads, not 435 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 2: to get not to detract from Jeff McNeil, but just 436 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 2: getting getting just younger, faster, Like there's always that can help. 437 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 1: I got a kind of crazy thing to say, but 438 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: like where that McNeil was part of, like Pete's team, 439 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: right and Lendor's team. SODA's gonna be here fifteen years, 440 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: they're gonna start to build Wan Soto's team. Oh definitely, 441 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 1: also they should. Yes, that's that's the right direction to go. 442 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 1: He's one of the best players in baseball. I'd love 443 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: for him to be getting his guys and hearing the 444 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: guys that help want So to win as much as 445 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: physically possible. One guy that I don't think helps more 446 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: wan So to win as much as physically possible positionless 447 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: Mark Vientos. And the thing that sucks about him is 448 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 1: his value has gotta be almost zero right now because 449 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: he hit like shit, he has no position in the field, 450 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: and he can't run. Just not a lot of things there. Now, 451 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: you do hold on to the hope that maybe he 452 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 1: can go back to twenty twenty four where he mashed, 453 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 1: and we saw a stretch in twenty twenty five where 454 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: he did, but it's just August. It was a stress, 455 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: I guess, just August. The problem is that now everyone's 456 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: seen him take more than ten ground balls at the 457 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: third base position. They've seen him catch a ball at 458 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: first base, and none of it looks pretty, especially at 459 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: third base. And if you're not gonna hit, you can't 460 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: be first base, and if you're not gonna hit, you 461 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: can't be dh Do. 462 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 2: You think if you call the White Sox you get 463 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 2: that same trade from the deadline? 464 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 1: What was the trade at the deadline? Fantas Robert? Yeah, 465 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: the rumor, I beg. I beg, remember when people were 466 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: killing us for saying that, I wish that trade happened. 467 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 2: It was also funny because but one Rebert got hurt 468 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 2: immediately after and then all he was playing, but also 469 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 2: mashed immediately after hitting the tank again in September. 470 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: But I just I'm not seen with him. 471 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 2: It just seems like he's not going to be on 472 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 2: the scene. The thing that kind of got me more 473 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 2: upset about Fiantos to Times this year rather than even 474 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 2: the production because like Baseball's hard sophomore slom, I understand 475 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:03,719 Speaker 2: that way can actually just the attitude he displayed sometimes 476 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 2: kind of frustrated me. The fact that how bad the 477 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 2: bye language was, like the fact he was throwing his 478 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 2: bad and throwing his helmet like he was acting a 479 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 2: little divish and I don't know, like great last year. 480 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 1: The I didn't love the frosted tips going into the 481 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: off season, Like, Buddy, you had game, you're sitting court side, 482 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 1: Who the fuck do you think you are? Whatever? 483 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe, but it's just like there would be an 484 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,479 Speaker 2: old man, there's like there's something, there's an attitude that's 485 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 2: a big part of baseball because it's a game of failure. 486 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 2: You're gonna fail way more than you ever going to succeed. 487 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 2: Like there's a bullshit old adage where it's like you 488 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 2: fel you fail seven times that ten to one of 489 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,959 Speaker 2: the greatest players ever. But yes, it seemed that Vienzas 490 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 2: would kind of mentally spiral. It did seem like it 491 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 2: hit a boiling point with Mendoza specifically where he benched 492 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 2: him when baiting hard and he said it to me, 493 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 2: He's like, you can't those are routine plays. Ball went 494 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 2: through his legs in a must wing game, Like it 495 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 2: just can't happen. You just can't. You can't make plays 496 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 2: in that expect to be a player that sat in 497 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 2: a winning team, and we saw him be a good 498 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 2: player in a winning team. But it's just who knows. 499 00:19:55,560 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 1: And David Certain's comments again felt almost directly about Mark Fiando's. 500 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely yeah. 501 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: And speaking of David Curtin's comments, Code I sang feels 502 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: like he probably isn't coming back either, which feels crazy 503 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: to say because just a few years ago was like 504 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: whoa could I sang it. Even coming into this year 505 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,360 Speaker 1: was like, if we can get Code, I feels pretty good. 506 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: But he's he's weird. I can't shake the feeling that 507 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: I've got with him right now and it is not 508 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: a good one. 509 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 2: And again, just refresh you guys with David Sartin said 510 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 2: in that end of season like post, more than the 511 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 2: press conference is that I think would be foolish OR'd 512 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 2: be silly to expect a full season thirty stars to 513 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 2: have a guy like the Code I sango. So it's 514 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 2: basically saying that you are not reliable at this point. 515 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 2: I think you're just not You're not that guy, and 516 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,239 Speaker 2: I think they probably do still likely keep him on 517 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 2: the roster just for the point of this exercise, because 518 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 2: he is so cheap. He's only making I think fourteen 519 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 2: or fifteen million dollars a year. I'm gonna pull it 520 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 2: up right now, but. 521 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: We do know that guys are gonna get hurt, and 522 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: you guys are gonna be healthy, and guys are gonna 523 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 1: be hurt, and maybe twenty five starts is the best 524 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: version of Code I single. We get maybe that's where 525 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: his sweet spot, not throwing that many innings. But yeah, like. 526 00:20:58,119 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 2: Auys of right now, he has two years and thirty 527 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 2: millillion dollars on that contract, and the twenty twenty eight 528 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 2: option will kick in if the player has Tommy John 529 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 2: surgery or right elbow injury that keeps him on the 530 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 2: injured list for one hundred and thirty plus days. The 531 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 2: option price increases to two million dollars. With a cy 532 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 2: Young or one million dollars if he's second through fifth 533 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 2: in the voting. So just to give you how strange 534 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 2: and confluted that option is. Again, she gives a sense 535 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:23,959 Speaker 2: of what has been like for the Coode Sang experience 536 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 2: in the last eighteen months. 537 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 1: It's just it's uncomfortable feeling right now. And again code 538 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: is comments may be lost in translation, but they sound weird. 539 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: David Curtin's comments about him sound weird. Feels like there's 540 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: a bit of a falling out. Shout out Tim Healey 541 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 1: kind of putting this on our radar back in spring training. 542 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 2: And you also kind of have that thing where you 543 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 2: know it felt weird from the outside, but you have 544 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 2: a lot of beat reporters be like, the relationship between 545 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 2: Kodi Sang and the Mes could not be better. Nothing 546 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 2: makes me feel worse in a vote of confidence that 547 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 2: strong truthfully. 548 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: No, absolutely not. It's you got your girlfriend's like, how 549 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: are we like better than ever? It's like things are 550 00:21:58,760 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: probably not doing that well. 551 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 2: It's like, why do you feel the need to say that. 552 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 2: We shouldn't have to say that things are actually really good. 553 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: I shouldn't have to reassure you that things are good. 554 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 2: But Also, I really understand the Mets internal frustration for 555 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 2: Code I Sanga after the way this season went down, 556 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 2: like it's just and we said it in like during 557 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 2: the offseason, like of course, like Pete lindor Nemo Alonzo, 558 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 2: like those are the most important players in the team. 559 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 2: But cold that was the X factor. If you get 560 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 2: any semblance of top rotation stuff from Coreda I Sanga 561 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 2: this year, Mets might still be playing baseball right now, 562 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 2: maybe not, at least would have played more baseball, and 563 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 2: they played. 564 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: And while we knew it was not real, it wasn't true. 565 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,360 Speaker 1: He had a two v RA through the first couple 566 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,479 Speaker 1: of months and the Mets were winning baseball games. So 567 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: while we knew that Code I it wasn't sticky the 568 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: way that he was pitching to continue to perform like 569 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: HISZRRA said that era was low and the Mets were 570 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 1: winning baseball games. I mean it was It was just 571 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: blatantly obvious what was going on. 572 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 2: And we've talked about this phenomenon a few times and 573 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 2: we will a lot more for these next couple of weeks. 574 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 2: We start to get into the like the meat potatoes 575 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 2: of the offseason content and the Mets the podcast. But 576 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 2: there's a phenomenon with the mess rotation right now where 577 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 2: if you ask if you pulled one hundred met fans 578 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 2: for the Mets and thee starting pay, seventy percent of 579 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 2: people would say you need two or three and everyone 580 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 2: would say you would need at least one. But under 581 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 2: contract next season, the Mets still have Clay Holmes, Sean 582 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 2: and I, David Peterson, Cod Sanga. Then you have Nolan McLain, 583 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 2: Brandon's prote and Jonah Toal. That's it under Christian Scott's 584 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 2: coming back and Christian Scott coming back probably around June 585 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 2: and July. 586 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: So you off the bat. 587 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 2: You got to eight starting pitchers to bring. To bring 588 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 2: guys in, you need to clear some roster spots because 589 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 2: and money and my money less. So we know the 590 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 2: money is less of an issue here. But Johnatong and 591 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 2: Brand's prote likely still start the year in the minor 592 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 2: league unless one of those guys just goes ape shit 593 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 2: in spring training Nolan Tong learns a slider maybe yeah, 594 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 2: or brands sproach comes out and starts missing bats for 595 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 2: the first time, but really could just throw one hundred 596 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 2: and sev ninety seven Nolan Lain's rotation opening day guarantee, 597 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 2: Maniopedias and rotation, they're opening day guarantee and Clay Holmes 598 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 2: is in the rotation opening day guaranteed. More so than money, 599 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 2: the thing that's we need to clear the spot and 600 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:54,959 Speaker 2: you need to improve on something. You need to get 601 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 2: more consistency, you need to get more effectiveness, and right 602 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 2: last year called I was sadly neither of those things. 603 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 2: There probably just is a world where you can actually 604 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 2: get something for Code. You could take on another similar size, 605 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 2: similar length contract of a different position of need. But 606 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 2: I mean two for thirty, like you can find a 607 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 2: two for thirty any position. They'd be a starting caliber player. 608 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 2: It seems like it makes some sense for them to 609 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 2: explore that market. 610 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, they're definitely at least going to take 611 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 1: a look. Or you have Code I and he could 612 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: be a long guy of the bullpennykey. You could get 613 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: creative with him because he plays for this team. He 614 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 1: has no other. 615 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 2: Choice and a yeah, he's only making fifty million dollars 616 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 2: if he's a reliever. If you turn him into reliever, 617 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 2: it's actually not that bad of a thing. At the 618 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 2: end of the day. 619 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: No it's not the worst case near I prefer to 620 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: go back to being twenty twenty three, but probably not happening. 621 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 2: No, like fifty million dollars, Like that's the range of 622 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 2: like saye Suzuki, yeah matchack, say. 623 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 1: So comes comes trying to get cheap again. 624 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 2: People talk about the fact that Wilson Contraras is probably 625 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 2: available via trade that he's making seventeen next year. That 626 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 2: I'm not saying that, Aura not saying I want to 627 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 2: do that, but I'm just saying that those are the 628 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 2: kind of like even money moves, not saying the Cardinals 629 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 2: would take it. Maybe be a three team trade involved, 630 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 2: or someone else gets him something that like, even if 631 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 2: there's a trade where money has to make sense, there's 632 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 2: probably avenues to get rid of code I saying, and 633 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 2: still get something of relative value back in return. 634 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: KP. 635 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 5: We both love Omaha steaks. My latest order six private 636 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 5: reserve filet mignons. 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He's he's the yunk. But it's just 657 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 2: he's not really a vital part of the team. I 658 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 2: do wonder if we get any murmurs or anything about 659 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 2: how that affects the clubhouse. Once so though, because there 660 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 2: was a lot of stuff with him and so this. 661 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 1: Year, Yeah, I mean they were, they seemed tight as hell, 662 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: but starting market can't play the field, and while he 663 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: had moments where he hit, he's not He's not a 664 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: major league every day player on a team that's trying 665 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: to go to the playoffs. 666 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 2: As we saw, just not enough power and patience. Similarly 667 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 2: at this point, just because it's injuries, Jesse Winker. 668 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't think he didn't really play but 669 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: well with the Mets either. 670 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 2: Actually, no Jesse Winker. I'm also kind of works. I 671 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 2: do like Jesse Winker as a person. As a player, 672 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 2: I'm worried that he might be kind of halfway done. 673 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, the amount of the back injury just deteriorating like that. 674 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: It's got a scary feeling as a person, as a 675 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: person not a Mets fan. 676 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a very scary. Look some other guys who 677 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 2: I think, I'm so proud, so happy to say, we'll 678 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 2: not be back. We'll run through these quickly. Give them 679 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 2: the middle finger, Ryan standing, Ryan Helsley, you're out here 680 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 2: the weird part of me again. I said it before, 681 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 2: I'll say it again and keep saying. I think Ryan 682 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 2: Helsey finds tremendous success somewhere almost immediately. 683 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: Oh God, he's gonna be so good for the Rangers. 684 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: Lock him in. 685 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 2: I'll say this because you I know, we'll hate Bryan 686 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 2: Brian Helsey's Mets fans forever. Like there was definitely some. 687 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: Of you that were like, he's He's what everyone thought 688 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: Daniel vogel Back was, Yeah, definitely, But right like there's 689 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: as you saw, Ry Ryan Helsley is the Wan Sodo 690 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: of Daniel vogel Backs. 691 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 2: Ryan Hely is the one. So you lost me in 692 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 2: that one. But if someone else understood that in the comments, 693 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 2: let us know that's there we go and we'll see 694 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,719 Speaker 2: if anybody gets it. But you've seen some of these 695 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 2: got to struggle with pitch tipping. You saw with David 696 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 2: Bednar and he had to go to the minor leagues. 697 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 2: He literally spent a full year of being turbo dog 698 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 2: shit and then he was one of the most important 699 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 2: players in the Yankees in their playoff runt. So it 700 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 2: can definitely happen. You have this stuff, that stuff's not 701 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 2: going anywhere. So I think Ryan Helsey will be successful 702 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 2: major leaguer again. One guy who I don't think is 703 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 2: going to be successful major leaguer again, And He's definitely 704 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 2: not coming back to the team, not with a ten football. 705 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: Cedric Mallins later, absolutely not back. 706 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 2: And absolutely not back. We don't have to embellish on that. 707 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 2: Hopefully's the last time we ever mentioned Cedric Mallins in 708 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 2: this podcast. 709 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 1: The guy he's going to hit a huge home run 710 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: against just don't worry. 711 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 2: But there's no way. 712 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: The way he played at that the end of the 713 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: season for the Mets is like damning to his career. 714 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. I think that basically next year, 715 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 2: Cedric Mallins has to catch on with like one of 716 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 2: the worst teams in the league and try and recoup value. 717 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 2: He's going to sign a one for five with the 718 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 2: White Socks of the Rockies and just see if he 719 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 2: can get back into a starting lineup. Be a vet 720 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 2: for the guys in spring training, and hope that you 721 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 2: even played tolerably enough to try the trade deadline thing again. 722 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 2: And if you get sent somewhere, you just don't do 723 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 2: what you did this time. 724 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: And then the last guy not a middle finger salute, 725 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: No Gryffin Canning. Mets fans are obsessed with this guy. 726 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: We love Gryffin Canning. While he was here cheap king 727 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: shoutout and Braves team fell apart the second he got it. 728 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: Of course, he snapped his achilles and the Mets were like, fuck, 729 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: we have no pitching anymore. That was probably the biggest 730 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: problem with this entire team was how reliant we were 731 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,239 Speaker 1: on Griffin Canning. That's when we should have known when 732 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: we were in trouble, when we were like, shit, Griffin 733 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: Canning's hurt, like I was supposed to be on this 734 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: team when the season started. He ended up being incredible 735 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: for us started coming back down to earth. But he's 736 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: someone who won coming back from a major injury, who 737 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: knows when he's gonna be actually ready to go. The 738 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: achilles is terrifying. We saw what it did to Mike Soroka, 739 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: how long it took for him to come back. But two, 740 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: he's gonna want to pitch, and on this Mets rotation 741 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,959 Speaker 1: right now, there's just absolutely no room for a Gryffin 742 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: Canning type. 743 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 2: Unless you get Griffin Cannon back on like a nonyx, 744 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 2: like like you. 745 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: Can go to the spring training invite. 746 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, spring training invite, minor league deal, you rehab 747 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 2: with it, and you allowed us to put you in 748 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 2: the minor league and come up for you long man 749 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 2: when you'd. 750 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: Like like almost like Brooks Raley ish this past year 751 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: where it's like no, like he becomes hagen the next year. No, No, 752 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: I mean in the sense of we're gonna sign you 753 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: knowing your injury. He didn't need to rehab, but you're 754 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: gonna be in the minors until we're ready for you. 755 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 2: But I'm saying his role, despite how well he pitched, 756 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 2: because of the jury uncertainties, he becomes Hagemann sp. 757 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: Which I I'd love Griffin Canning as Hagan. We also 758 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: still have Justin Hagenman and. 759 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 2: Just stillose two options gonna be He's gonna be here 760 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 2: all but a lot next year. 761 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: You know what, Justin Hageman is gonna be Justin Hageman 762 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: next year. That's a guarantee. 763 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 2: That's a good points. It's really gets depressing sometimes talk 764 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 2: about this year. I don't want to look back that 765 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 2: much more truthfully, No. 766 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: Well, I think this is probably the last this field. 767 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 2: Probably have to look back, right, we probably have to 768 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 2: a few more times kind of why are we doing this? 769 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 2: You have to do a little bit more because like 770 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 2: let the World Series and then we can start getting 771 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 2: I was. 772 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 1: About to say, once the World Series happens, no more 773 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: looking back. 774 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 2: Now, once the new league year begins. 775 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: Once once Peter A Lonzo's officially off this team, once 776 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: he's officially a free agent because he's technically not yet. Yeah, 777 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: then we can start looking forward. But until then we 778 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: will keep going back and having PTSD. 779 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I said, we're sorry if we 780 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,719 Speaker 2: gave you guys PTSD in this one too, but you know, 781 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 2: we gotta try and pick onich of these guys. We 782 00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 2: don't think you're going to be on the team next year. 783 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: And at least ten it feels like. So hope you 784 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: guys enjoyed it. 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