Speaker 1: Gill. You know, boys, it's back and reoaded all in
Speaker 1: your mind. Yeah, and that deep throating. This is for
Speaker 1: the streets, the reel, the railroaded, the distant franchise, the
Speaker 1: truth escape building, and they ain't knowing we speak the truth,
Speaker 1: so they ain't quoted because we wrote it. The North
Speaker 1: South East coat is the g b my keeping your
Speaker 1: head bobbing. It ain't no stopping and wants to be
Speaker 1: drips head by. And then the system is so corrupt
Speaker 1: they throw the rock out of their hands and then
Speaker 1: blame it on us. Don't get it twisted on code
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Speaker 1: the ghetto boys. Reloaded, Reloaded with another episode of information
Speaker 1: and instructions to help you navigate through this wild, crazy,
Speaker 1: beautiful world. In the studio, Sergeant Kendall Cop, Farmer, Sergeant
Speaker 1: Kendall Cop, how you doing, good man? Do you feel
Speaker 1: the same Do you feel the same way that like
Speaker 1: ex ball players feel when you've done something for so
Speaker 1: long and you gotta retire. You gotta face that retirement
Speaker 1: and now it time question. That's a good question. M No,
Speaker 1: I didn't cry. Why So I've always known the day
Speaker 1: was coming. When I came on ninety two, I said
Speaker 1: I'm leaving. I'm doing thirty years. This year was thirty years.
Speaker 1: So I've always had in my mind and I never
Speaker 1: like grew up on the police. So this is I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm glad I did it. Thank God for it. You know.
Speaker 1: HPDs allowed me to feed my family and do my thing.
Speaker 1: But I'm ready to turn the page and moving. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. My identity wasn't all no, because
Speaker 1: my identity wasn't all HPD. My my identity is like
Speaker 1: helping people, which I'm still gonna continue to do. It's
Speaker 1: just I'm doing a different capacity. Okay, you know it
Speaker 1: served this purpose. I'm cool with it. Was trying to
Speaker 1: move on. That's a young man's game. So back back
Speaker 1: back in the early nineties, man, um, when when you
Speaker 1: just got with the force, did you notice that a
Speaker 1: lot of um, a lot of profiling going on, like
Speaker 1: pulling kids out, like you you you witnessed this what
Speaker 1: you mean back in the nineties, I'm talking about it. No,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Look, so here's the name. So I'm
Speaker 1: I'm in my neighborhood and I'm in a red Ferrari.
Speaker 1: Uh five twelve, I'm doing the speed limit. I'm chilling,
Speaker 1: bubble gum, Come on, all right. I got my shotgun
Speaker 1: over in my you know how we drove with the
Speaker 1: shotgun on the passage side. So he pulled me over.
Speaker 1: He made me get out of the car. He uh
Speaker 1: he asked me because I searched the car. I tell
Speaker 1: him no. He called the dogs. He you know, he
Speaker 1: was really really went to the extreme, you know, and
Speaker 1: this is my neighborhood. And then some black cops that
Speaker 1: I actually know was pulling up, and it was like, man,
Speaker 1: he could he ain't. He didn't want to hear that
Speaker 1: I was doing something wrong. I had drugs on me,
Speaker 1: and I could, I could. I can honestly say that
Speaker 1: I have been a target of profiling back in the
Speaker 1: nineties for a long time. But I think that now
Speaker 1: that I'm older, excuse me, they don't really pull me
Speaker 1: over and target Well that's that's that's because you're older.
Speaker 1: They see what you see, they know who you are,
Speaker 1: so they're hitting that when they get behind you, they
Speaker 1: hit it. Uh. He's seventy five years old. Guy's harmless
Speaker 1: along here got along, there's something that the bottom line
Speaker 1: is listening. So back what you're saying, I mean the
Speaker 1: Delaway State the other days told y'all stuff still get profiled.
Speaker 1: And again then then the Delaway State state thing in Georgia,
Speaker 1: like they knew who it was and once they got
Speaker 1: on so who it was, they were very extra with
Speaker 1: how they went about it. But nonetheless, back in the nineties, yeah,
Speaker 1: profile was going on. Profile still goes on to a degree.
Speaker 1: Um is not so much because we have to put
Speaker 1: our we have we have to put racial profiling card
Speaker 1: in every traffic stop. That again, you have to put
Speaker 1: a racial one filing card. Yes, there's a mind of cards.
Speaker 1: So basically and again I just let the go last month.
Speaker 1: So up until the until months ago when I did
Speaker 1: my stops, I don't do stop very often. You gotta
Speaker 1: be do something crazy for me to stop you, but
Speaker 1: I'll still stop you. And even I as a supervisor,
Speaker 1: had to put in a racial profile and car. Basically
Speaker 1: it's a demographic cards saying you know who did you stop?
Speaker 1: We're you stopping? You know? What's the demograph of the person? Race? Uh? Sex?
Speaker 1: And then um, did you know this prior to all
Speaker 1: the different aspects, and that helps track people who were
Speaker 1: racially profiling people. So so, but let me just again.
Speaker 1: I got a thousand stories I've been stopped throughout my career,
Speaker 1: and I know it was racially profile. I mean, I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I couldn't make this if I wanted to come. So
Speaker 1: you want your quick story. The story we'll be hearing six,
Speaker 1: So listen. So I just worked you not division, and
Speaker 1: we work night shift. So there's a subway like it
Speaker 1: Holcom in the medical center. So it was my do
Speaker 1: the food run. You know I'm going I'm getting food everybody.
Speaker 1: So I go to subway in uniform. Okay, No, I'm
Speaker 1: playing close by man a police raid jacket and I'm
Speaker 1: in an unmarked car. So so somebody blowing my phone.
Speaker 1: So I come out of subway with the food. I'm
Speaker 1: about to make a you term on Holking whatever it
Speaker 1: was to get back to the station. I'm gonna say,
Speaker 1: it's all my cow. Okay. So I'm sitting at I'm
Speaker 1: stopped at a traffic light waiting for the light to turns.
Speaker 1: So I made to you, uh, constable is going the
Speaker 1: opposite way. So he passed me. I looked at him.
Speaker 1: He looks at me. Precincts seven. I don't know precining
Speaker 1: it was. It's right there in the area, so made
Speaker 1: precinct one. I don't know. I can't appreciate time, but
Speaker 1: it's a constable. So so he looks at me, and
Speaker 1: he turns around and gets behind me. Now he's going
Speaker 1: to ops way. He makes the worlds are the meeting
Speaker 1: and gets behind me. I just away from my light
Speaker 1: to term, so my light turns. I make to you.
Speaker 1: He makes you and pops me. As soon as he
Speaker 1: possed me, I put and I shouldn't have done this,
Speaker 1: but this is like ninety seven night seven. I merely
Speaker 1: went to the first driveway and I jumped out of
Speaker 1: the car. And I shouldn't have done that, but I
Speaker 1: don't know. I was so incessed because I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: I wasn't even moving. You can't say I did okay, alright,
Speaker 1: I wasn't doing ship. Why are you? I mean, he
Speaker 1: got behind me, and I don't think. I'm like, you're
Speaker 1: turning on. PopEd me, so I make that you. He
Speaker 1: popped me. I jumped out the car. I made my
Speaker 1: rade Jack I like what And I went up told
Speaker 1: me me Lee and he's like, oh, no, it was,
Speaker 1: and he went some lie about it was some uh
Speaker 1: cars broken into or whatever. He he reached out of
Speaker 1: his ass and made that excuse. But the bottom line
Speaker 1: is once he saw me jump out in my rage jacket,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, hey, motherfucker, if you look at the plate,
Speaker 1: you know you're so hell been on who you saw driving.
Speaker 1: If you take the time look at the plate, it's
Speaker 1: a Texas exempt plate. That should be a clue Texas
Speaker 1: exempt plate, law enforcement or some governmental agency that alone
Speaker 1: should that exempt plate should to spark you that hey
Speaker 1: this isn't you know, brother USA or whatever. Even if
Speaker 1: I am brother, you are saying what did I do?
Speaker 1: I'm stationary at a stoplight, waiting for like the terms,
Speaker 1: so he could say I did something. When he got
Speaker 1: behind me, I still had moved because the lighthead yet
Speaker 1: to turn. So that's that's one quick story. So again
Speaker 1: he went to been some breaking man, and I just
Speaker 1: I just walked off, man, get out of here. And
Speaker 1: I just wanted I could have checkn it further and
Speaker 1: like no supervisor and stuff. But at that time I
Speaker 1: was an officer so I let it ride. Let's go
Speaker 1: back to your humble beginnings. Man, Like I want to know,
Speaker 1: like what inspired you to want to be a police officer?
Speaker 1: But even before you get there, I want to know
Speaker 1: more specifically who who put it into you? That's say
Speaker 1: that I want to have a different lifestyle, you know,
Speaker 1: And where did you come from? Where? Where were you?
Speaker 1: Where were you raised? Okay, so I'm from outside Detroit, Michigan,
Speaker 1: met Point Westland, Michigan, outside Insure Westland, just outside Detroit.
Speaker 1: So when you fly into Detroit, fly, when you fly
Speaker 1: into Detroit Metro at Rhymeless, I'm right next to Rundless.
Speaker 1: You like my three months from the airport. So um,
Speaker 1: I grew up outside there, went to Catholic schools, so
Speaker 1: I show in that regard. So what made me want
Speaker 1: a police? That's funny again, I didn't grow up one
Speaker 1: of the police. I went to Tuskegee for veterinary medicine,
Speaker 1: but I went I went there with the mindset of
Speaker 1: chasing skirts instead of chasing my grades. So I get
Speaker 1: Pisspoort grades. So therefore you don't get accepted VET school
Speaker 1: if you had Pittsport grades. So therefore I didn't make
Speaker 1: it invest school, so graduate, I got her first RTC
Speaker 1: because has Air Force RTC program went through that deal.
Speaker 1: UM was in Vanderberg Air Force Base in California. Did
Speaker 1: not do well, very academically challenging, so washed out of that,
Speaker 1: and then I came here. My brother lived here. He
Speaker 1: still does, but he lived in periand that time, so
Speaker 1: I came here and I was doing UM credit card
Speaker 1: collections at that time. So at that time and I
Speaker 1: looking for a john. Got this degree, can't really use it,
Speaker 1: so teach for America. I don't. If you have from
Speaker 1: your Teach for America degree animal science animal husbandry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so UM Chief of America. If y'all heard of it
Speaker 1: before I started nine to check out of Princeton when
Speaker 1: they cop Kopp started his program where he got these
Speaker 1: corporations and fund all these people who were reaching college
Speaker 1: grads who didn't teach but wanted to teach, didn't didn't
Speaker 1: have degrees in teaching, but wanted to teach. So it
Speaker 1: took five hundred of us. We went to USC's campus,
Speaker 1: trained and went every four different locations around the country
Speaker 1: North Carolina, Rural North Carolina, Nowork rural. UM Louisiana and
Speaker 1: then l A and New York, and I chose New York.
Speaker 1: So I'm in New York City doing my thing, teaching,
Speaker 1: loving what I'm doing. Hated New York, but I love
Speaker 1: my kids. Hated New York too fast to route to dirty.
Speaker 1: I was in Brooklyn. I was living in Brooklyn, so
Speaker 1: I lived in Park Slope. By taught best I, so
Speaker 1: I would take a little my little train and you know,
Speaker 1: go to do with our best I And I love
Speaker 1: my kids. I love I love teaching by hated New
Speaker 1: York is too fast for me and too I didn't
Speaker 1: like it no nature anyway. So while teaching right Nick
Speaker 1: King Captain, Yeah, so Rodney King cappen, I said, man,
Speaker 1: you know this is messed up. I watched the tape
Speaker 1: like everybody else said, and I was like the enforcer
Speaker 1: for my school. In other words, you know, very few
Speaker 1: Maale teachers and middle schools. I was at junior high
Speaker 1: school to forty eight, which is you know, right off
Speaker 1: the hard the bed stye. So they come to me
Speaker 1: and hey, Mr cop, you need to you know, talk
Speaker 1: to whom ever. I had young men stay afterwards, talk
Speaker 1: to them, try and mentor give him some guidance because
Speaker 1: you know they've running around foot loose, fantasy free, something like, man,
Speaker 1: let me go ahead and try and get us some insight.
Speaker 1: So from that kind of put me in that mode
Speaker 1: of hey, let me try and help. But when Rodney
Speaker 1: King happened, I said, Man, wait a minute, police department,
Speaker 1: black community. I'm black, and I'm black black, So I'm like,
Speaker 1: let me get in here and make a difference. So
Speaker 1: that's that's that planned to see. So I taught one
Speaker 1: is a two year commitment. I taught one year in
Speaker 1: New York. Did not supposed to come down here for
Speaker 1: the second year. And the lady who down here in Houston,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I promised me all this stuff. When I
Speaker 1: got down here, She's like, I didn't never told you that.
Speaker 1: So she sold me out. So I had to find
Speaker 1: a job on my own. And that's why I went
Speaker 1: to Fleming. I went and talked to Chester Smith. He
Speaker 1: was the presion PRINCIPI Fleming. No I went back, so
Speaker 1: I'm talking you know my niece. Okay, So I was there.
Speaker 1: This is like ninety one. So I'm teaching Fleming. Mr
Speaker 1: Smith gave me an opportunity and at the same time
Speaker 1: I apply for Harris County and I apply for HBD,
Speaker 1: not knowing the difference. I didn't know. I'm not from here,
Speaker 1: so I didn't know. First of all, I know what
Speaker 1: the consult was because when I have counselors in Michigan.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, so, whoever called me first is who
Speaker 1: I was going with. An HPD called me first. So
Speaker 1: while I was teaching, I started my little background check
Speaker 1: and then I didn't even finish that year out. I
Speaker 1: talked like three quarters of the year and that class started.
Speaker 1: So I told Mrs Smith, I said, thank you for
Speaker 1: the opportunity, but department is calling. I got the six
Speaker 1: month academy. I gotta go. And he was like, no,
Speaker 1: thank you for you know, doing what you did in
Speaker 1: the time. Friends, I was again trying to talk to
Speaker 1: young men. You know, I talked to young ladies too,
Speaker 1: but I really focus on young man. No, you only
Speaker 1: cause no, hey, you know, no, people look at you
Speaker 1: crazy when you talking, so you gotta keep your distance
Speaker 1: in that regard. By death. Only did my thing with
Speaker 1: young men, trying to like just direct them and put
Speaker 1: them in the right path. And again I'm not the answer.
Speaker 1: I tell people, I'm an answer, I'm not. I'm not
Speaker 1: the final say. I'm not the word, the black word
Speaker 1: of life for black police. I'm just telling you, I'm
Speaker 1: giving you what I learned in fifty five years on
Speaker 1: this earth. And I like to think I got a
Speaker 1: level even kill approach to it. Who sparked that learning, uh,
Speaker 1: hunger in you from the beginning? Your mother, your mom,
Speaker 1: thirty year teacher, year teacher, and she talked, and what
Speaker 1: are some of the lessons that coming up like that
Speaker 1: you learned from your mom that you said, man, that
Speaker 1: you're still taking with you, you carried to this day.
Speaker 1: You Accountability is big, Like I'm really big on you know,
Speaker 1: only what you do good, bad, happier said you know,
Speaker 1: and and and being in the gift back you know,
Speaker 1: you know the class is saying you blessed to be
Speaker 1: a blessing. That's my stuff for real. And that's not
Speaker 1: like some little thing to put on a bumper circle.
Speaker 1: That's my stuff for real. I'm like, I'm like, whatever
Speaker 1: I got, you know, and I came from the classic
Speaker 1: two parent house or whatever. I'm like, I got that.
Speaker 1: So if I can help recreate that, because I think
Speaker 1: it turned out cool for me. So let me, let
Speaker 1: me jump the ship real quick, so don't jumping straight
Speaker 1: to my first year of HPD. So I'm in. I
Speaker 1: saw a Park fourtune district, so yeah, solo. Everybody was
Speaker 1: a rookie in South Park solo so low. No, it
Speaker 1: wasn't God babies and foods right, So that's that goes
Speaker 1: back that rap story. So anyway, so, um, I'm doing
Speaker 1: my thing, and um, of course my number one place,
Speaker 1: my number one call for service was leving not left him. Okay,
Speaker 1: everybody know that according's departments, so get a lot of
Speaker 1: calls there. So what had what made a big impression
Speaker 1: on my mind early on and still affects me now,
Speaker 1: you know, in terms of where I want to go
Speaker 1: with stuff. So the number one call I would get
Speaker 1: is mom being beaten by boyfriend, never husband, no, no, never,
Speaker 1: this always boyfriend, followed shortly by my mom's boyfriend touching kids.
Speaker 1: But the main thing that really clearly number two that
Speaker 1: like actually one and one A. But what's the first thing?
Speaker 1: Mom catching catching hands. That's the number one call I
Speaker 1: would ever get. And the second call was mom's boyfriend
Speaker 1: doing something with kids and something like sexual. Yes, it's
Speaker 1: like like that's the second most call you that I
Speaker 1: came across, and I understand this. I'm fortune district and
Speaker 1: a night shift, so I I didn't put the my
Speaker 1: numbers for like you know, the crime reports for the
Speaker 1: for the year per whatever category. Crimes have categories, but
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I'm I'm fourteen district, night shift, and
Speaker 1: that's what's my calls. Assault domestic abuse by birdfornd on mom,
Speaker 1: followed by boyfriend doing something sexual to the boys and
Speaker 1: the girls. So let's not get it twisted to the boys.
Speaker 1: Stop boyfriend, boys, boyfriend not husband, never husband, which never,
Speaker 1: that's never husband and to me that anyway, I got
Speaker 1: a whole another solicity on that about the whole Marriors
Speaker 1: thing and us in marriage. But nonetheless, so that's that's so,
Speaker 1: this was my thing, and I'll wrap upon this. So
Speaker 1: I'm getting the calls and I will sit there and say,
Speaker 1: I say, so I get there three o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 1: mom beating up something, you know, getting information, going to
Speaker 1: the apartment. Kids are up watching TV three clock in
Speaker 1: the morning or not or knocked out. But here's the point,
Speaker 1: either up, day up now because all the drama fully clothed,
Speaker 1: that's that's will kill me. You fully clothed, Yet in
Speaker 1: about three to four hours, that teacher is expecting you,
Speaker 1: the kid to show up fed, rested, clean and ready
Speaker 1: to learn. But you have none of those things because
Speaker 1: mom is trying to get the wood and she forsakes
Speaker 1: all her responsibilities for this new dude. And again, and
Speaker 1: the new dude just go on. The the beat goes
Speaker 1: on in terms of the next dude. Who wanted to
Speaker 1: be the next sire of the next child. No, nobody
Speaker 1: wants to do this, nobody. And that's what again, that's
Speaker 1: that was my number one thing. And I'm like, that's
Speaker 1: what That's what really pricked my heart. I'm like, these
Speaker 1: kids don't even have a chance. So so somebody blown
Speaker 1: me up. So listen. So when no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you could um so check this out. So I was
Speaker 1: in Atlanta one day with um with my wife. This
Speaker 1: is about two years ago, and we're in um fish
Speaker 1: local I don't know where, some little independent fish story
Speaker 1: fish shop, and there's a check there. She was decent
Speaker 1: looking and she had like a maybe five kids, and
Speaker 1: all that look difference. I'm assuming that I don't know
Speaker 1: the story of All I know is she was pregnant,
Speaker 1: and she had all these kids, and she looked through
Speaker 1: to me, she looked like she was off, like she
Speaker 1: was mentally off, but she was still looked physically she
Speaker 1: was esthetically appealing. Like I mean, I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: given normal circumstances, it would be somebody you shot at.
Speaker 1: But you know, if you don't see what the whole situation.
Speaker 1: But like I said, she pregnant, you got these kids? Again?
Speaker 1: I don't. I didn't talk to her and go in detail,
Speaker 1: but I'm just telling you. I told him, I said, wow,
Speaker 1: this is crazy. So he got this kid. You see
Speaker 1: she throw and I could tell she throw just by
Speaker 1: her interaction with kids. So what do is willing? I
Speaker 1: don't care what she looks like. I don't care. Look, look,
Speaker 1: we all love it. Yeah, it's it's great. It's awesome.
Speaker 1: But there has to be at some point in time
Speaker 1: it can't be just about getting this stuff. It has
Speaker 1: to be about responsibility and you get this stuff, Why
Speaker 1: are you creating a life you can get the stuff
Speaker 1: and get on. Why are you making a life that
Speaker 1: you don't even anyway? So I told my wife, what
Speaker 1: what person would even take time to impregnant her again?
Speaker 1: And you see you throw, you see she throw. Right.
Speaker 1: I know I'm going down. But my point is this.
Speaker 1: My point is that, y'all, I have a soapbox for this,
Speaker 1: a tremendous soapbox for this. What does that mean? This
Speaker 1: is the hill I die on. I'm about Black people
Speaker 1: in America need to marry. And why not? Okay, okay, y'all, okay,
Speaker 1: because because I think it's very important that we understand
Speaker 1: what goes into that. It's not just a piece of paper,
Speaker 1: not just a It's a bonding thing. It is it is.
Speaker 1: It is not it's a bonding thing an institutional thing. Well,
Speaker 1: it's both. You know you even to be in an institution. Okay, dog, okay, fine,
Speaker 1: if you won't go to intri rob But I'm telling
Speaker 1: this is actually bigger than what Man has said about it.
Speaker 1: It's a bonding thing because it creates that unity and
Speaker 1: he creates that that that that self sustainable situation that
Speaker 1: you can branch home from. And what I mean by
Speaker 1: that is this. I have two sons. My first son
Speaker 1: is by marriage. My wife was marriage before. She's a
Speaker 1: young widow, so you know my biology. But I have
Speaker 1: adopted and so he's mine and my the one I sired,
Speaker 1: so it's my pastors name on is very important to me.
Speaker 1: And the fact that I tell them, you know you,
Speaker 1: there's something to the name that means something to you
Speaker 1: that I show you. Hey, I've done this and it's
Speaker 1: not me. This was done for me and I'm just passing.
Speaker 1: I'm kicking this can further down the road. This is
Speaker 1: I got this from my parents, who got it from
Speaker 1: their parents, and I'm just building on this for future generations.
Speaker 1: And I think it's very important. Again, I ain't look everybody,
Speaker 1: do you do what you do? I'm saying if you
Speaker 1: asked me, I think that is the key to a
Speaker 1: lot of our woes because it will bring in unity,
Speaker 1: it will bring in a sense of structure, it will
Speaker 1: it will bring in responsibility, and it will bring in
Speaker 1: familiarity so that child in that situation you can come
Speaker 1: home nor Okay, I'm gonna come home on, get on
Speaker 1: my work, on, get on my goal, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: I'm going to further that. And I have that support
Speaker 1: based there to make that happen. I got the environment there.
Speaker 1: We all see weeds growing between uh concrete cracks, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: so those weeds are surviving. For all those weeds thriving,
Speaker 1: what is it? What or what is that grass? Let's
Speaker 1: let's weeds are bad? Let's say grass. Is that grass thriving?
Speaker 1: The ideal setting for that grass would be good, rich, fertile,
Speaker 1: solt is water intended to the grass can steal, grow
Speaker 1: between the cracks and survive. But what is the best
Speaker 1: setting for that grass to thrive? I submit to you,
Speaker 1: whoever else, so listen that if we create the setting
Speaker 1: by which we can grow this next generation and grow
Speaker 1: these kids up. Not to say everybody gonna come out
Speaker 1: on top, but you've at least nurtured the environment and
Speaker 1: create created the structure by which they can. And that's
Speaker 1: is my thing. So that's all I mean by that.
Speaker 1: That's the that's the hell. I'm dying on the marriage here,
Speaker 1: I'm dying on for us. And again not that I
Speaker 1: don't care about others, but I care about us. Voice
Speaker 1: reloaded podcast will be right back after the spot. What
Speaker 1: do you say to people who said, who point to
Speaker 1: the high divoice rate between not just black people but
Speaker 1: a people in the United States agree as evidence that
Speaker 1: marriage is a lost cause. I completely disagree with that.
Speaker 1: I completely I mean I don't know. People say that.
Speaker 1: I've heard it as well, and then I know the
Speaker 1: divorce rate is high, and it's a lot of reasons,
Speaker 1: so I say, still go forward. But see, it has
Speaker 1: to be the reason why you marry. See, you can't
Speaker 1: just marry the Mary. You can't rer because she got
Speaker 1: the big butt or he got the nice car, or
Speaker 1: you want to you gotta marry. Yeah, a lot of
Speaker 1: people get married because they don't want to see the
Speaker 1: next person with this woman with this man. Correct, I
Speaker 1: don't give a funk. Okay, so this is my my
Speaker 1: two cents. You got to marry the internal person. Don't
Speaker 1: get me wrong. You can like the packaging, but the
Speaker 1: packaging comes and goes. Man supposed she big as hell
Speaker 1: and got teeth missing and her breast. Think that's you
Speaker 1: cool with that as long as you like your personal
Speaker 1: know you that good question? The only personality. But she
Speaker 1: funny too? Yeah exactly, So No, you still gotta have
Speaker 1: You still gotta be attracted to her, but you can't
Speaker 1: worry about your boys being attracted to her. You got
Speaker 1: it long as long as she does it for you.
Speaker 1: And I like that, and y'all are building something. So
Speaker 1: here's my little thing. So in me, in my own situation,
Speaker 1: I was talking to my wife and she thought about
Speaker 1: the proposed to her and for Christmas, and I didn't
Speaker 1: And at that point I didn't find it out. Too
Speaker 1: later she said, when you didn't propose me because I
Speaker 1: took her to meet my parents. You know, I'm old school.
Speaker 1: I'm like old school beaver cleaverand you know, the black
Speaker 1: beaver cleverand I'm like, you know, meet the parents, get
Speaker 1: the blessing, that type of stuff. So we went to
Speaker 1: see my parents and and she just knew she would't
Speaker 1: come back with a ring and all her coworkers, Girl,
Speaker 1: you get a ring, She's like nope. So at that point, y'all,
Speaker 1: I was on the clock, but I didn't know it.
Speaker 1: So I ended up proposing a couple of months later
Speaker 1: because I'll do it all my time, I won't try
Speaker 1: and do it like some traditional stuff. So anyway, pointy
Speaker 1: is I believe I believe it's imperative that, yeah, you
Speaker 1: gotta be attracted tour, but long as y'all are building
Speaker 1: something together, like building is that? Is? That? Is? That?
Speaker 1: Is that money that we that everything? It's all the above.
Speaker 1: It's funny say it's every category. Y'all know Dave Ramsey, right,
Speaker 1: I don't Willie Probabie do? Will you know everybody? Willy
Speaker 1: his friends with everybody. He is, He's friends with everybody.
Speaker 1: He's a he's a financial guy to Nashville, Tennessee, old white.
Speaker 1: He checking out Dave rams dot com. He talks about anyway.
Speaker 1: So he talks about these four categories, and I'm hook line,
Speaker 1: sinker soul. He says, if for a marriage, through my marriage,
Speaker 1: and you're rationale for hooking up with somebody, he said,
Speaker 1: for marriage, your work. If you can be on the
Speaker 1: same page of these four categories worries, this will be
Speaker 1: your path to success. Not every single instance, but this
Speaker 1: is if you If you get on these four categories,
Speaker 1: usually usually set your faith, your finances, sex, and child raring.
Speaker 1: So those four categories not in that order, but you know,
Speaker 1: for that order for those who faith, your money, your sex,
Speaker 1: you know how y'all get down, and your child raying.
Speaker 1: You might be a spanker, she might not be a
Speaker 1: spanker or whatever. But the point is, if you can
Speaker 1: get on st page of those categories, you have a
Speaker 1: high percential making it on the sex part. So back
Speaker 1: to your question about the divorce ry. I know, I
Speaker 1: know things are crazy with divorce because we live in
Speaker 1: the social media world, and yeah, you have a lot
Speaker 1: of different information coming in and different stimulis, so you
Speaker 1: it dilutes the message. But y'all know who friends to
Speaker 1: Chris Wilson is. You'll remember her, right, okay, all right,
Speaker 1: all right, So I'm a big, big, big friends to
Speaker 1: Chriss Wilson. I just meant to do that day telling
Speaker 1: telling him about the icest papers. So for INDs to
Speaker 1: Chriss Wilson used to say, she said, don't marry to
Speaker 1: your thirty And she said, in the meantime, you know,
Speaker 1: get your cell phone, get your career until you at
Speaker 1: least at least that's what I'm saying to correct. And
Speaker 1: she said, you know, get yourself. You know, all the fellows,
Speaker 1: get your silling inside of you, get sow your oats,
Speaker 1: but get your career on. She get her career on.
Speaker 1: So by time y'all come together, your mature And when
Speaker 1: she talking about maturewing about us, you know, we're way
Speaker 1: behind the females in terms of years, light years exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: I'm two years old, my wife, but I'm four years
Speaker 1: younger than her, because you know, she just she's running
Speaker 1: ahead of me. So so the point is she talking.
Speaker 1: She talks about that, and I've also abscribed to that
Speaker 1: notion that, yeah, you gotta be about something. And so
Speaker 1: I know it's divorce rate, but I think people get
Speaker 1: married because you heard she can really blow. She heard,
Speaker 1: she heard you got a big one. Come on, it's
Speaker 1: just nonsense. I mean nothing, nothing based on meaningful things.
Speaker 1: You gotta marry the person. So yeah, she could be
Speaker 1: big or whatever. But if you got to look in
Speaker 1: the side, Yeah, but one of them titties might be
Speaker 1: bigger than the other. I can't do nothing. I can't
Speaker 1: do nothing with that. Let's let's let's a whole another
Speaker 1: rabbit hole. You a moment ago, you talked about you
Speaker 1: talked about your career path Dodge. Now, considering the murky
Speaker 1: relationship that the inner city communities have with law enforcement,
Speaker 1: do you feel any type of responsibility to merge that gap,
Speaker 1: especially with the youth and as a black man. Completely,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Listen, That's what I told you.
Speaker 1: That's why I got into this in first place. Please,
Speaker 1: in first place. So it's funny you mentioned that, So
Speaker 1: April At for American Places, the league, that's our brand,
Speaker 1: that's what that's what we do that listen seven and growing.
Speaker 1: So so okay, So back in the day, and I'm
Speaker 1: again hold another tangent, back in the black officers weren't
Speaker 1: allowed to do their thing. They really do have a
Speaker 1: union or I have an organized group. Oh so again
Speaker 1: may Walker and the founders of a pole At for
Speaker 1: American Place actially just like seventy four. In the seventy
Speaker 1: five the organzation started. Seventy five finally got this unionformed
Speaker 1: and you know, did their thing because you know, just
Speaker 1: things were fouled, you know, across the board for yeah, right,
Speaker 1: so so started this deal. So now it's grown to
Speaker 1: like I said, this membership. We have white, we have Asian,
Speaker 1: we have like Latin members because we're all about community.
Speaker 1: So back to your question, Yeah, there's you won't believe
Speaker 1: the number of officers. See people be like uh you
Speaker 1: um oh, Curry, I mean that that's that's there's a
Speaker 1: connect to that. But the vast majority officers are down
Speaker 1: for they're not lost with who they are. They know
Speaker 1: exactly who they are and they understand why they're there,
Speaker 1: and you trust me, you want the officer that officer
Speaker 1: in that scene because that also changes that am of
Speaker 1: how things go when they're present. Why really this So
Speaker 1: you have a predominantly black neighborhood, right, let's just say
Speaker 1: an all black neighborhoods and you have um white officers
Speaker 1: controlling or patrolling in this area. Do you think that
Speaker 1: that draws Uh? Uh, that's that's like that's like all
Speaker 1: in water right completely, So, so why don't why are
Speaker 1: we not responsible as black people to police our own area?
Speaker 1: You know, we speak the same language. You know you
Speaker 1: you you have you have compassion towards us as you
Speaker 1: know somebody else would not have no compassion towards us whatsoever.
Speaker 1: We still we just little niggers to them with the
Speaker 1: E R. So so, so answer your question. So there's
Speaker 1: a contingency of people who want to go in police
Speaker 1: white alls who want to go to the neighborhood cause
Speaker 1: they feel like they can just do whatever. And let
Speaker 1: me give you a prime example. I came on the
Speaker 1: dude I used to ride with UM we were my
Speaker 1: chance live in the same neighborhood, and we found that
Speaker 1: out like first week, So we started um car pool together.
Speaker 1: His brother worked in northeast. Brooks the last name Brooks.
Speaker 1: Your brother worked in northeast and he said, yeah, my
Speaker 1: brother said, He said, man, I can't wait on North.
Speaker 1: Don work night shift. I'll be like I'm walking down.
Speaker 1: Oh he said. He walked with me by on the corner.
Speaker 1: Come here and grab my throat. And I'm like, what
Speaker 1: are you talking about? So I'm like, I'm not going
Speaker 1: northeas I didn't want to even get down like that,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, so, so there's a contingent of people. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: who who who who? Because his brothers already there and
Speaker 1: he telling him this is how you get down. So
Speaker 1: there's a part of individuals who want to come and
Speaker 1: keep talk about this a long time ago, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, do you eight our and hit the showers,
Speaker 1: come here and please this group this certain way, and
Speaker 1: they get on. Unfortunately, have officers of color who also
Speaker 1: ascribe to that notion because they're trying to assimilate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but a right, But again that's a small minority their individuals. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you should have individuals who look like you because you
Speaker 1: can relate. See when you have your officer coming from
Speaker 1: Iowa and you're like the third last person he had
Speaker 1: his dealings with. He's not gonna know anything and his
Speaker 1: he and there's no compassion like type of compassion. He
Speaker 1: can't see himself and you or your nephew or your
Speaker 1: little brother or the little that's not his mama, that's
Speaker 1: not his. There you go. And that's not saying I'm
Speaker 1: not saying you can't fairly please, No, they listen. I
Speaker 1: just told you. I just I was a sergeant, was
Speaker 1: a patrol sergeant, so I had and I worked uh
Speaker 1: um acre zone like fourteen sixteen fifteen, fourteen fifteen, so
Speaker 1: I had all right officers and maybe one spend concer.
Speaker 1: No issues. I'll show up on seeing. And now because
Speaker 1: I'm showing up on seeing, they just they just did
Speaker 1: things right. They just did things right. And I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: they handled their business. I wrote them up ardally because
Speaker 1: they handled their business. They police fairly. Body Warren cameras
Speaker 1: came out, so we review everybody's body one camera. You
Speaker 1: have a squad, so you're as a sergeant, you have
Speaker 1: you know, so many officers up under you. You're required
Speaker 1: to review everybody on camera every month, so you see
Speaker 1: what they do, not granted you you might miss the
Speaker 1: one day act, the crazy on, but you get a
Speaker 1: feel for them, you get a little JPR, little ratings,
Speaker 1: and you see how they do and you just go
Speaker 1: to a couple of scenes how to interact. Again, nothing
Speaker 1: is fool proof, y'all. But the bottom line is you're
Speaker 1: gonna just have to get individuals to understand treat people
Speaker 1: the way they should be treated and not just treat it.
Speaker 1: Just do what's right. And let me throw this here
Speaker 1: since we're talking, and this is this is I have
Speaker 1: a thousand sayings, but this is one of them. White
Speaker 1: is not right? Right is right? M hmm. People think, oh,
Speaker 1: that's you're doing it this way. Just that's the white
Speaker 1: man's way. So early on, when my early days in
Speaker 1: South Park, they I got a couple of the times,
Speaker 1: and it bothered me, uh just loose sleep. It bothered
Speaker 1: me insessantly. I'm like, why my uncle Tom up here
Speaker 1: trying to and that. So then this is my little
Speaker 1: comeback I devise. I said, okay, So I said, okay,
Speaker 1: so why I'm uncle Town. Yeah, if you're down here
Speaker 1: arresting song and so song and so for whatever, So
Speaker 1: I said it, check this out, man, all black world,
Speaker 1: everybody black? Is what you did to cry? Is that
Speaker 1: an offense against somebody? You're stealing, you're beating somebody up,
Speaker 1: you're doing Is that a crime? It is a crime.
Speaker 1: Shut the funk up there, and this this is about
Speaker 1: what's what it's about. Right, And everybody across the board
Speaker 1: ascribes right. Just nest too white. Nobody's caring to marketing
Speaker 1: on righteousness. No group as a corner marketing righteousness. Now,
Speaker 1: if you want to spit some groups, let's spit the
Speaker 1: group of those who want to do right and those
Speaker 1: who will commit to doing wrong. If you want to
Speaker 1: spit some groups, but across the board, you've got individuals
Speaker 1: who who want to help, and you got individuals who
Speaker 1: want to tear down. So you know that's that's the
Speaker 1: we're going on. That's not the end the race where
Speaker 1: you know it's it's about individuals who want to do right.
Speaker 1: So went back to your initial question and your point
Speaker 1: when you come to police. First of all, you have
Speaker 1: to be a special breed to you even want to
Speaker 1: do this. It's kind of crazy. Remember gunshots, we're running
Speaker 1: towards gunshots. People, everybody's running away from it, and we're
Speaker 1: trying to get to the bottom. And a lot of
Speaker 1: times we be a cooperation for the public. Sometimes we don't,
Speaker 1: but we're still wanting to get out there and put
Speaker 1: our life online for people who know them to know.
Speaker 1: And that's crazy because again I didn't grow up going
Speaker 1: to do this and like I wanted to do this
Speaker 1: is just you know, it happened. So you ought to
Speaker 1: be person who wants to help. But you gotta want
Speaker 1: to help everybody fairly. You can't just want to help
Speaker 1: one particular group of one social and economic group or
Speaker 1: one No, you gotta be across the board. So you know,
Speaker 1: actual jobs also work at your jobs. So I would
Speaker 1: you work at a MC at willow Brook And I
Speaker 1: had some some skinheads come in and this is horrible,
Speaker 1: but it's true. So I had like, there was two
Speaker 1: chicks and to do and they had like some crazy
Speaker 1: shirts on and the church. The one female shirt was
Speaker 1: like a black T shirt and had the Europeanist Christ,
Speaker 1: you know, the very Christ like laid back like almost
Speaker 1: in the tumb on some rocks and had a nun
Speaker 1: kneeling in front of him, so you see the back
Speaker 1: of the nun and he laid back almost like she's performing.
Speaker 1: And then on the back on the back, now that's
Speaker 1: front of the shirt offensive as it is. Then on
Speaker 1: the back of the shirt it said Jesus was a cunt.
Speaker 1: So unt, you know, you know everybody that's a that's
Speaker 1: a big no word. So people come to me, white, Black,
Speaker 1: Porterrican come to me just so I had to go
Speaker 1: talk to him. They don't like me, and they're ready
Speaker 1: to jump on them. But I'm still I can't be like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, like I can't know. I when I signed
Speaker 1: shook his own. I took his own for everybody, so
Speaker 1: I gotta provide the same protection to you did I
Speaker 1: do everybody else, regardless of how you your ideology. So
Speaker 1: I know got them out of it safely. But the
Speaker 1: point is it's not about what someone thinks. It's about
Speaker 1: when I signed up for this. I gotta be fair
Speaker 1: to everybody. So any officer, white, Black, Puerto Rican, Asian, Latino, whomever,
Speaker 1: And I don't care what what side of plates you
Speaker 1: back from. If you're out here to help, then damn
Speaker 1: the help. But how do you reconcile being a black
Speaker 1: man in America and working for an organization that was
Speaker 1: founded to hunt intimidate, destroy, diminish, subjugate black people. Good question.
Speaker 1: So obviously slave patrols. Yeah, that's how police started, right,
Speaker 1: we get that, right, so understood. I mean I'm saying
Speaker 1: that I have known that for a long time. Bottom
Speaker 1: line is you got to get in to mix it,
Speaker 1: to mix it up and make that difference. You know,
Speaker 1: we can be on the outside and be like ra
Speaker 1: ra ra, or we can get in and change the culture.
Speaker 1: And again if going back to what you're saying, if
Speaker 1: if that's the case, then if you never get in,
Speaker 1: it's gonna remain all white and you never get you
Speaker 1: get the guy from Iowa and Idaho coming to police
Speaker 1: who can't relate verse you getting in. So you know
Speaker 1: that classic be the change you want to see. Or
Speaker 1: to your point, you know, back in the day in
Speaker 1: New York, the Irish people used to be abused all
Speaker 1: the time by police officers. There were Irish community was
Speaker 1: in either Italian community was abused by police. They were scum,
Speaker 1: you know, were degenerate exactly exactly. And what they did
Speaker 1: is that they started becoming police officers. But what's interesting
Speaker 1: is that once they overtook these departments, they started doing
Speaker 1: the exact same thing to the next class of people
Speaker 1: who they viewed as a lower class. They started murdering
Speaker 1: and robbing and planting cases and your story they started.
Speaker 1: And that's where we are right now in New York.
Speaker 1: New York NYPD is one of the worst police forces
Speaker 1: on the planet, not just the United States of America,
Speaker 1: but the planet agree. There are rings of their, prostitution rings,
Speaker 1: narcotics rings, all the things within the ind agree. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if any of Houston, but I'm you know,
Speaker 1: in right, because it's just just numbers along simple fourth
Speaker 1: largest city. It is gonna be third. So and answer
Speaker 1: your question again, I say to you, what's your motivation
Speaker 1: for getting into this? Do you really want to help?
Speaker 1: If you really want to help, again, it's a calling,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's above and about the money. You gotta
Speaker 1: really want to get out there and help somebody and
Speaker 1: do the right thing. And not every single person can
Speaker 1: do the right thing. I have classmates who have been arrested.
Speaker 1: I had a classmate who took his own life because
Speaker 1: these I did doing file stuff. Um that's my academy classmates. Um,
Speaker 1: all things happen. But if you're in this for the
Speaker 1: right reason, and you stay true to your your why.
Speaker 1: So so before I retired, I would go on occasion
Speaker 1: talk to some academy classes and one of my another
Speaker 1: saying is monderline messages. You remember your why you know?
Speaker 1: And this even for old heads, why did you get
Speaker 1: into this? You know, when you were green and idealistic,
Speaker 1: Why do you say you want to do this? And
Speaker 1: aby as those kids now you know, we go to
Speaker 1: talk to you, dad, I want to make a difference.
Speaker 1: I want to be a chance. Okay, what you gotta
Speaker 1: keep that as you're carried, you know, in front of you,
Speaker 1: because you want to come across opportunities to do all
Speaker 1: kinds of stuff illegal. You're gonna come across bribery. You're
Speaker 1: gonna come across Back to my rookie year. I was
Speaker 1: in thirteen district. And remember, jump our boys. Obviously I
Speaker 1: mean to say that because you know, I remember I
Speaker 1: understand this. Listen, this is new to all this stuff
Speaker 1: new to me because I'm not from here, so all
Speaker 1: these terms, it's okay again, I know the consplate was
Speaker 1: so anyway, so jump my boys. We're going to go
Speaker 1: do it in thirteen right across the street. You know,
Speaker 1: right across on Maccawa, East Macawa, and they need to
Speaker 1: marking to go, so I'm the marketing is chosen. So
Speaker 1: they're go and kick the door. Get my man down,
Speaker 1: young brother hens I'm in there, hooked him up. They're like, rookie,
Speaker 1: stay here and watch this room. And I'm in this
Speaker 1: bedroom with I can't tell how much money A lot,
Speaker 1: a lot, and I'm there to guard the money and
Speaker 1: I did. But um, the whole deal is I never
Speaker 1: thought once about, oh, let me get some of this money.
Speaker 1: That's not how that's not why I got into this,
Speaker 1: you know, jumping subjects the police department. If for those
Speaker 1: who were interested, they want to know if you have
Speaker 1: good credit, and I didn't understand why they thought that
Speaker 1: was why would you want? What difference does it make?
Speaker 1: And it makes a difference because your credit speaks of
Speaker 1: your integrity, It speaks of if you know you, oh,
Speaker 1: are you want to pay? Are you going to default
Speaker 1: on it? So so that's the little miss testing of itself.
Speaker 1: But I don't understand that coming in. So you'll have
Speaker 1: opportunities to do crazy stuff and if you choose to
Speaker 1: do it, you that's you ain't no coming back. That's
Speaker 1: that's that. You know you ain't on the Jedi right,
Speaker 1: you're going the sixth route. You know you're going You're
Speaker 1: going on the dark side route. Because once you do it,
Speaker 1: you caught, it gets good to you. Remember Drew Peterson
Speaker 1: that also up in Ohio, killed all his wives and stuff. Okay,
Speaker 1: you start doing stuffing, you just start doing crazy stuff,
Speaker 1: and you never when you turn it off. So the
Speaker 1: ideal is, try to never ever be corrupted. Try never
Speaker 1: ever don't let the temptation of money or whatever, or
Speaker 1: girls or whatever your thing is. I don't whatever your
Speaker 1: thing is, understand your why because if you understand your why,
Speaker 1: you'll stay resolute. Look, look, I'll tell you a thousand stories.
Speaker 1: Like I said, but he's too quick. I've been at
Speaker 1: movie theater minded my business, off duty, doing my thing
Speaker 1: about four times so many my years. Dudes coming to me,
Speaker 1: he man, what's up? Like, hey, what's up here? You
Speaker 1: remember me? He's smiling like nah, you're like, man, you
Speaker 1: arrest me back and so on. So he he's telling me,
Speaker 1: rest him with a smile, ask me why what? Because
Speaker 1: I could respectful exactly. Look, look I get it, you
Speaker 1: do what you do. But it's not personal. Now I
Speaker 1: just started personal, man when you put me in jail,
Speaker 1: So I don't know, bro, Listen, listen, listen, real talk.
Speaker 1: So that I was an acre song, so night shift, awesome,
Speaker 1: six district, so six O one, all those. Also I
Speaker 1: told you about the young young, so I would show
Speaker 1: them this clip and then y'all can watch it later on.
Speaker 1: It's an old um, not bugs Bunny, but during that era,
Speaker 1: it's like it's like offshoot. It's it's Sam the sheep
Speaker 1: dog and Ralph the coyote, and it's basically they meet
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the cartoon and they punch a clock.
Speaker 1: They literally punch a clock, and the sheep dog get
Speaker 1: on guard and the kyote starts stealing sheep and they
Speaker 1: spend time and he's still something me catching beat him
Speaker 1: up and one at one point he got about to
Speaker 1: blastom and that the lunch whistle blow, so they stopped,
Speaker 1: go eat lunch together. Then they go resumed. What's the
Speaker 1: blow again? He go resumes the thing be right, and
Speaker 1: then at the end of the day he said, see exactly.
Speaker 1: So I showed a lot of I didn't always show,
Speaker 1: but I would show some of my young officers who
Speaker 1: were just coming out that video, just say, look, dude,
Speaker 1: it's not personal, so you can't take it personally. This
Speaker 1: dude is doing a crime. You put him in jail,
Speaker 1: and he does his time and and get on. It's
Speaker 1: not your job to judge jury, executioner. You do your job,
Speaker 1: get him to the jail. That course doesn't play it
Speaker 1: out and that's it. Don't take it so personally that
Speaker 1: you feel like you how dear you want me? They
Speaker 1: wanted to be the jets that you and the execution
Speaker 1: Boys reloaded podcast will be right back after the sport.
Speaker 1: This is one thing that I wanted to, uh say
Speaker 1: say to make sure that I speak on I heard
Speaker 1: you moments to go talk about how this co that
Speaker 1: maybe from Iowa who cannot relate to people in the
Speaker 1: black community, uh may commit transgressions against them because he
Speaker 1: can't relate to them and he don't feel anything, He
Speaker 1: don't see his brother, his himself or whatever. Yeah, in
Speaker 1: these situations are with these people now. The reason why
Speaker 1: and I understand that I do understand that's part of
Speaker 1: the reason, but the greater reason is because they're not
Speaker 1: being held accountable. You see, because you can flip the
Speaker 1: strip and script and say, well, why don't black officers
Speaker 1: do the same thing. I see black officers patrolling white
Speaker 1: neighborhoods all the time, and black officers aren't jumping out
Speaker 1: killing white folks. Black folks are not black folks. Black
Speaker 1: black officers are not abusing white folks and stretching their
Speaker 1: authority because they know they're gonna be penalized. They know
Speaker 1: they're gonna be punished. And but but I'm but I'm saying,
Speaker 1: even if they were on that tip, retribution keeps them
Speaker 1: in order. The imminent retribution keeps them in order. And
Speaker 1: these white cops are not in order because there is
Speaker 1: not imminent retribution. And so a lot of these cops
Speaker 1: out here doing what they're doing because they know that
Speaker 1: they're not going to be consequences, and even if they are,
Speaker 1: there's a good chance that they're gonna be exonerated at
Speaker 1: some point. Because they got this strong union. Well it's
Speaker 1: not so much it's just good I mean union, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's part of you. But really it's the good boy thing.
Speaker 1: They got the union, they got the prosecutor, they got
Speaker 1: the judge, they got a whole lot of things going
Speaker 1: on that that allows them to continue their So so yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's a fact. I mean, it's it's unfortunate. And
Speaker 1: you would think that the buckaroo system is going where
Speaker 1: the dinosaur, but there hasn't. But again, understand this, as
Speaker 1: time goes on, thing is changing. It's a slow process.
Speaker 1: But again state of course, you know, I'm not with
Speaker 1: the slow progress process though. You know why because when
Speaker 1: white folks in this country won't something they get it
Speaker 1: ain't no slow process. The motherfucker's go straight into that
Speaker 1: room and write along and the next day that ship
Speaker 1: is happening. Immediately they do that ship. I don't want
Speaker 1: to hear that slow process ship. I don't want his
Speaker 1: change is slow and all that ship? Now, now what
Speaker 1: what what slow? Is a motherfucker who don't see what's happening.
Speaker 1: That's slow, you know what I'm saying. Like, so when
Speaker 1: we talk about uh, when we talk about um um reform,
Speaker 1: police reform, uh, this is not like some type of
Speaker 1: foreign concept, man, This is this is going back to
Speaker 1: what you were saying, really treating people how they want
Speaker 1: to be treated. We don't really need police reform. We
Speaker 1: need police to fucking conform. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You new laws. Exactly, do we need these motherfucker's to
Speaker 1: be held accountable? Because the laws are already in prace.
Speaker 1: They need to be held accountable. They're not being held
Speaker 1: at time. Hold on, and let me say this. It's
Speaker 1: not just it's not just they're superiors who are not
Speaker 1: holding them accountable. It's not just the unions that's not
Speaker 1: holding the accountable. It's not just the prosecutors. It's not
Speaker 1: just the judges. It's also your local politicians, your your
Speaker 1: your your city, your city councilmen, it's your state reps.
Speaker 1: It's your congressmen and women, it's your presidents. It's all
Speaker 1: these motherfucker's are in the same game. And if they wanted,
Speaker 1: they got the power to stop this ship overnight. They
Speaker 1: could not overnight right now if they wanted to. If
Speaker 1: they right now, I said, okay, we're coming after every
Speaker 1: motherfucker that get out of line, every one of you.
Speaker 1: So you raise his motherfucker's that crossed that line and
Speaker 1: do that fucked up ship, We're gonna get you. And
Speaker 1: once it start happening and they see that, they're gonna
Speaker 1: buck at first, They're gonna buck at first, The Union
Speaker 1: gonna buck well, we're not gonna go to work. That's
Speaker 1: what we'll do. We won't show up. They'll buck at first,
Speaker 1: but the moment they start replacing their asses them, that
Speaker 1: ship will change. Like that. They're not willing to hold
Speaker 1: them accountable because they're playing politics with people's lives. The
Speaker 1: police force in New York turn their back on the
Speaker 1: S's what I meant. That's what I meant. That's the
Speaker 1: type of ship they'll do. They got too much power.
Speaker 1: The unions have too much power. They got they got
Speaker 1: too much power. So agree, So here's your deal. So
Speaker 1: answer your question. So let's go back in time a
Speaker 1: little bit and I go to shrine a lot. Well
Speaker 1: you two haven't gone recently, but trying Black Madonna and
Speaker 1: I will go to those three class they had there,
Speaker 1: and they talked about this incest incessantly, so they would say,
Speaker 1: you know, back in the day, the government had a
Speaker 1: choice either start investing money and resources into the community.
Speaker 1: Well let it go to the where you're going the
Speaker 1: way you see it went with the drugs, and just
Speaker 1: turn it. Let let whatever happens happened. And you see
Speaker 1: the decision that was made, and we're still in that
Speaker 1: flux of that decision being that was made years ago,
Speaker 1: and what you see now is just a mansversation of
Speaker 1: what decision made late six yearly seventies into as we
Speaker 1: speak now, and it continues to be made. So so
Speaker 1: it goes back to that accountability thing. And I hate this.
Speaker 1: I hate this because okay, so again I'm fifty five,
Speaker 1: I'm voting both y'all. Right, now we're insane. You're older
Speaker 1: than me. Both of y'all older than me. Wh's your birthday? September? September. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's older than one can okay, alright, cool, So here's
Speaker 1: my point. Here's my point. So so remember downing here,
Speaker 1: So downing here, you know, pre open days, it was
Speaker 1: done here. So on you had um, somebody on and
Speaker 1: maybe a fair kind I don't know who was, but
Speaker 1: the point is that, don't You had somebody on and
Speaker 1: a white lady got up and she said, and I
Speaker 1: think I think I hear vowed not not that, not that,
Speaker 1: not that that clear. That's funny they say that because
Speaker 1: I know that too. So um, she says, she says, yeah, um,
Speaker 1: you get yourself out of situation. She was spitting so
Speaker 1: much venom. She got up and She's like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: get yourself out of the situation. And I'm a teenager
Speaker 1: of time, and I just I felt like crying, like,
Speaker 1: give myself you you have created a situation. Get ourselves out,
Speaker 1: you're asking. I just thought that was such a hard
Speaker 1: line to take, But unfortunately that's what we've been told, Mary,
Speaker 1: So get yourself a situation. So it goes back to
Speaker 1: let's get back on my horse. That goes back to this,
Speaker 1: that goes back to us doing what's right. And I think,
Speaker 1: and again this is I could be outside my neck
Speaker 1: on this from but I don't think. I am. I
Speaker 1: think if we start doing our things, and I'm not saying,
Speaker 1: lets look, we gotta do our thing too. We we
Speaker 1: got some skin in the game too, because it's our
Speaker 1: own futures. It doesn't matter what others are doing. If
Speaker 1: you start at home, if we just keep it at
Speaker 1: home with how we handle ourselves. I can't step on
Speaker 1: your shoe and you want to shoot me or you.
Speaker 1: It can't be that. I can't, I can't wanna. It
Speaker 1: has to be bigger than that. My my love, my
Speaker 1: love for you has to be way greater than some
Speaker 1: affront you did to me. So side note to the
Speaker 1: side note personally, and I don't know y'all stories. I
Speaker 1: let a lot of ship ride over the years on
Speaker 1: end off because I'm like bigger fish to fight, a
Speaker 1: bigger fish to fry, and bigger fight to go at.
Speaker 1: I don't that little incidental stuff on the race tip
Speaker 1: within the rate. I let a lot of stuff. Yeah, okay, whatever,
Speaker 1: because I'm not trying to fight you bro, we gotta.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to build some community. I'm trying I want
Speaker 1: some families, some structuring, some guidance in a sense of
Speaker 1: commun did when people actually care. You know again, I
Speaker 1: can go all over the map on this. George Floyd,
Speaker 1: let's jump here, let's go let's go here. This is
Speaker 1: so so y'all know. The deal happened in twenty like
Speaker 1: more of day twenties when he got killed right right
Speaker 1: here front of everybody. So you know, he had they
Speaker 1: had a funeral form in Minnesota, and then like July
Speaker 1: June nine, they had a funeral form here. So I'm
Speaker 1: working at casts Maxtra job the one on the orisional
Speaker 1: one of West Timer and um pandemis on. But you know,
Speaker 1: Bami is still kind of fresh. So we're still letting
Speaker 1: people in and won't know, like stop people at door.
Speaker 1: So the blobby is full and it's a dude in
Speaker 1: there and he's wearing I remember he I knew he wouldn't.
Speaker 1: He just looked like he was out of town. He
Speaker 1: had Los Angeles Los Angeles sippers instead of clippers, like sippers,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I just remember that shirt stood out.
Speaker 1: And he's with a girl, real bad girl, super bad girl,
Speaker 1: like super bad, and he's like, yeah, he just like
Speaker 1: made a spectrum himself, and he's messed with this other
Speaker 1: brother in line, and I'm like, I'm watching up there,
Speaker 1: and then I'm watching further than that. He like started
Speaker 1: almost wanted to dude, and the other dude had a
Speaker 1: pregnant girl with him. I'm going on like, hey man,
Speaker 1: I said, hey, hey, hey, why don't you calm down?
Speaker 1: And I asked him step outside. He goes outside and
Speaker 1: he's with a crew and they were like they were, uh,
Speaker 1: are seen him in parking earlier, like maybe twill deep anyway,
Speaker 1: So we're going going back and forth and now I'm like,
Speaker 1: hey man, you know you need to calm down. He
Speaker 1: getting agitated about like he wanted to get that. To dude,
Speaker 1: he like looking over me, taller to me, you're looking
Speaker 1: over me, and I'm like, hey, man, calmed down, and
Speaker 1: he slapped my hand and the dude with him, the
Speaker 1: dude's name was Trey. Because I even I end up writing,
Speaker 1: I even journald about this, I call I called it
Speaker 1: the Trouble with Trey, based on the trouble with troubles
Speaker 1: with Starting. So I put because I thought it was
Speaker 1: so troubling that that this dude. Now, this is the
Speaker 1: week of George Foord fer. We're here in Easton, so
Speaker 1: this is a Friday before so like the funerals like
Speaker 1: on the ninth or whatever that Tuesday Wednesday, So just
Speaker 1: the Friday right before this, so everybody knows George forsting
Speaker 1: are about to be in this week. So this dude
Speaker 1: slap my hand away, and dude with him who said
Speaker 1: he to do? Say? It was his cousin and Quincy,
Speaker 1: he's actually name. He said, what are you doing? He said, trade,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? And Quincy grabbed train and tried
Speaker 1: to shove him back towards the parking lot and I
Speaker 1: let that ride. Now while I let her ride, Bro,
Speaker 1: this is the week at George Flord's funeral. I'll be there.
Speaker 1: I gonna get into some officer on blackmail confrontation the
Speaker 1: week at George forrest funeral. And then I told you
Speaker 1: a twelve deep and in me getting some skirmmage in
Speaker 1: the officer assistant that this thing could have snowballed until
Speaker 1: who knows what if. I was like, hey, respect my authority.
Speaker 1: Time I let her ride. I let it ride because
Speaker 1: I thought, big picture, this can go sideways real quick.
Speaker 1: And for what this dude clearly was out of his head,
Speaker 1: zoned up doing whatever he had in the system. So
Speaker 1: he's at the restaurant. So that was it. Long behold
Speaker 1: and I wrap it up long behold. After he's out,
Speaker 1: some other dude come in and giving me I'm talking
Speaker 1: about some me mugging, so like, hey, what's up, you know?
Speaker 1: And he's like he was part of the group, And
Speaker 1: I said, you looking for your boy? I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not in here, and we met him getting a
Speaker 1: conversation and I'm like, do you wanna do you want
Speaker 1: to eat here? Do you want to leave? And I'm like, listen,
Speaker 1: I ain't trying to go this route, but bro, we
Speaker 1: sure gotta have arter, we should go have a structure.
Speaker 1: Your boy was fouled, the other dude removed him, Thank
Speaker 1: God for that. But we ain't trying to lenker this
Speaker 1: own and they end up lieving. Nothing became of it.
Speaker 1: I never had to call for units or nothing like that.
Speaker 1: But my point is, just think if that slap of
Speaker 1: my hand would have turned into me and him scuffling,
Speaker 1: and me and him fighting and then them jumping in
Speaker 1: and weapons draw for what. This is the week of
Speaker 1: George Floyd's funeral in Houston for what. So I don't
Speaker 1: know if that. I'm sure I'm way off on a tangent,
Speaker 1: But does that make sense what I'm saying It does
Speaker 1: make sense, and and and if more officers had your
Speaker 1: type of mentality, especially white police off and by the way,
Speaker 1: let me say this right now, I believe, I believe
Speaker 1: that white police officers should not police in the United
Speaker 1: States South America because they're too bias. Now I'm serious
Speaker 1: that they're a one is doing all these killing the
Speaker 1: white right. The white police officers are the wars doing
Speaker 1: all these killing, So they should be white police. These
Speaker 1: white police officers should be profiled just like they profiled
Speaker 1: Middle Easterners and thinking everybody gonna blow up something. Totally
Speaker 1: vet them to make sure that they ain't got it
Speaker 1: in them. You know, they really need to be checked hard.
Speaker 1: I know we gotta go, but I got I gotta
Speaker 1: I got a couple I got a couple more questions.
Speaker 1: I really want to ask you real quick. I need
Speaker 1: to first of all, get your thoughts on the Young
Speaker 1: Thug and Ghana situation where they've they've been brought up
Speaker 1: on charges. What's your thought about these rappers? Yeah, we
Speaker 1: just just with Young Thug and Rico UM and Young
Speaker 1: Thug and UH and Ghana was brought up on RICO
Speaker 1: charges along with several other members of their uh their
Speaker 1: camp okay, and then us other rappers around the country
Speaker 1: that have been brought up on RICO charges because they're
Speaker 1: closely affiliated to the streets and so whereas they may
Speaker 1: not even have anything to do with it, but they're
Speaker 1: being accused because they're hanging out with these guys. They're
Speaker 1: kicking it with these guys, and these guys are being
Speaker 1: accused of committing crimes they're getting connected to the RICO Act. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, what are your thoughts to that in the
Speaker 1: way that law enforcement uses to not be the case
Speaker 1: only simply because, I mean, you can't control who you
Speaker 1: grew up with. You can't control family members if you've
Speaker 1: got them doing whatever. Again, I'm not one. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna sit and tell y'all I'm down with people doing
Speaker 1: file stuff. I'm not. I just told you I'm walk
Speaker 1: to straight lines best you can. However, I don't want
Speaker 1: to sit up here and just brought stroke everybody because
Speaker 1: of your affiliation with whomever. So just because you know
Speaker 1: somebody or do whatever, don't mean you are also doing
Speaker 1: the same dirt. So that's it's not good at what
Speaker 1: they're actually accusing young thug of O can a hit
Speaker 1: goddamn different. That's that's a little different now that they're
Speaker 1: they're accusing me. I don't know. I don't know if
Speaker 1: they have any proof of that, but that's what they're
Speaker 1: they're saying. Uh, before we let you go, man, what
Speaker 1: what is it that we can do, society, the people,
Speaker 1: the community can do to to forge a better relationship
Speaker 1: with law enforcement. What we can do the forge better
Speaker 1: relationship with law specifically black people. We got got you.
Speaker 1: So what we can do is, first of all, it's
Speaker 1: from the officer's point of view and our point of view.
Speaker 1: Stop being adversario with each other. Officers got to stop
Speaker 1: being oh a long come to his neighborhood, plice this
Speaker 1: way and think I'm gonna do this, And individuals gotta understand, Look,
Speaker 1: you can't. Every officer is not gonna be treat you
Speaker 1: the same way that last officers treated you. And see
Speaker 1: that goes back to the whole thing about hey, you're
Speaker 1: ast me back there. I gotta do right by you.
Speaker 1: And it's not personally. I keep saying, it's not personal.
Speaker 1: You did a crime. I restus you. You went to jail,
Speaker 1: came suspected of a crime. Suspect the cry right right, right,
Speaker 1: right right, start the crime. So then let the courses
Speaker 1: and play it out. Good point, good clarification, suspect the crime.
Speaker 1: I do my deal, Let courses and play it out.
Speaker 1: You've come back out. You ain't doing no crime or
Speaker 1: suspect doing a crime. We ain't got no issue. So
Speaker 1: the whole thing is we black people, let's start being
Speaker 1: accountable for our actions, just like these also need be
Speaker 1: accountable for actions, meaning we don't everything can't be oh
Speaker 1: because whatever, Let's do the right thing. As best we can,
Speaker 1: not like I said I can. I'm sure you got
Speaker 1: fourteen stories. You got eighteen stories about somebody also doing
Speaker 1: you wrong. I just told you one deal earlier about
Speaker 1: I'm an also getting done wrong by an also. But
Speaker 1: the point is we need to have a sense of
Speaker 1: community back to friends of Chris Wolson, sense of community,
Speaker 1: sense of Hey, we gotta look out for ourselves. And
Speaker 1: you know the Panthers back in the day, what was
Speaker 1: that all about. That was about community policing ourselves, protecting
Speaker 1: our own community because law enforcement Open California wasn't doing that.
Speaker 1: So I said, we're doing it ourselves, you know, Guardian
Speaker 1: angels to some regards up in New York and every
Speaker 1: anywhere else. So we have to be accountable for our
Speaker 1: own actions, look out for each other. Don't let so
Speaker 1: and so who you know, be messing lesson kids make it.
Speaker 1: He can't make it, she can't make it. That's not cool.
Speaker 1: You got kid, I gottet. Nobody wants who who wants
Speaker 1: their child lesson? Nobody who wants their Catholytic converter stolen?
Speaker 1: No one who wants there? Uh you cut me off
Speaker 1: in traffic on shoot that you now no one wants that.
Speaker 1: So we just have to if you're asking, and you
Speaker 1: and you are, we have to rewrite d program and
Speaker 1: reprogram ourselves to have a love for one another and
Speaker 1: overlook a lot of transgressions that we normally would be
Speaker 1: fighting on and shooting on and personal on and let
Speaker 1: it ride and look step back and look at the
Speaker 1: big picture. And the big picture is we need to
Speaker 1: be fully give ourselves every chance to be that blade
Speaker 1: of grass, that fertile field, not that blade of grass
Speaker 1: growing between those cracks and the concrete be that create
Speaker 1: that setting where we all can grow up and had
Speaker 1: this rich field of grass, a bunch of blades together
Speaker 1: a field, not singular blade, singler blade, single blade, a
Speaker 1: community of blades making a field of rich uh grass
Speaker 1: that's is strong and focused on uplift. I hope they
Speaker 1: answers the question. That answers the question man, and that's
Speaker 1: that's a unity and and your and your unity community
Speaker 1: and your former point which is treat people like you
Speaker 1: want to be treated. Man. Thank you for coming on
Speaker 1: the show any time, Sergeant came to card no more time.
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