1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio News. 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:13,239 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Bloomberg Tech Lisa Sue Helios with m 3 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 2: I four to fifty five x AMD's first RAX scale 4 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 2: system solution. But inside it AMD's first in the world's 5 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 2: first two nanimeter. 6 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 3: Chip of that type. 7 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 2: A lot was made of it when you actually just 8 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 2: stood on stage and held it in your hand for 9 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 2: the first time. 10 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 3: Why is it significant? 11 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 4: Well, first of. 12 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: All, Ed, it's great to be here with you at CS. 13 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: I think CS is always a great way to kick 14 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: off the year because you get so much perspective. So 15 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: it was fun giving the keynote last night. Look, Helios is. 16 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 4: A massive system, you can see it in the. 17 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: Background here, and m I four fifty five is just 18 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: an incredibly powerful chip. And probably the context I would 19 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: give Ed is, you know, one of the things that 20 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: we're so clear about is that the demand for AI 21 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: compute is just continuing to increase. And you know, we 22 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: have seen that over the last five years. When you 23 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 1: think about just how much you know, new capabilities have 24 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: come on board, we've now seen a real inflection in 25 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: the number of people who are using AI. So if 26 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: you think today they're probably more than a billion active 27 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 1: users using AI and we expect that to scale to 28 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: over five billion users over the next five years. So 29 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: for all of that, you need compute and lots and 30 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: lots of compute. And from that standpoint, you know, m 31 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: I four fifty five is a significant leap forward in 32 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: terms of technology capability, made up of two and three 33 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: nanometer trips, three hundred and twenty billion transistors, just a 34 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: lot of performance. 35 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 2: And a lot of the timeline for it to be 36 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 2: deployed in the real world, and then who will be 37 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 2: the principal first user of it. 38 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: You'll see it in the second half of twenty six 39 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: and it will ramp from there. And you know, we 40 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: have very strong partnerships open AI. Greg Brockman was on 41 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: stage with us last night talking about all. 42 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 4: The use cases that they see. 43 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: We've announced a partnership with the Oracle, many others as well. 44 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 2: So given that it's two h it's in full production now, 45 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 2: it's getting ready to are. 46 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 4: We are absolutely getting ready to ship it. 47 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 2: That's at one end of the sort of scale and spectrum. 48 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 2: At the other you have m I four forty x, 49 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 2: which is for small data centers. I'm trying to simplify it, 50 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: but it's basically an enterprise product. What was it that 51 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 2: you were trying to solve for with that? 52 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think what we're trying to solve for is, 53 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: you know, the world is a very heterogeneous world. 54 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 4: You have all kinds of use. 55 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: Cases for AI from you know, sort of the very 56 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: biggest cloud data centers that are doing you know, large 57 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: scale training and inference to enterprise applications as well as supercomputers, 58 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 1: and so we actually have a family of chips. 59 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 4: At the highest end, is there. 60 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: M I four fifty five for the cloud environment, But 61 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: we announced last night a m I four forty which 62 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: is actually using the same basic building blocks, but is 63 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: now really focused on enterprise applications so that you can 64 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: go into you know, let's call it current data centers 65 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: with the new technology. 66 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 4: So we're excited about that as well. 67 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: You know, there is enterprises are starting to increase their 68 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: adoption of AI. In some cases they want their own 69 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: control of their data centers in terms of on prem environments. 70 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 3: What are they doing with it though? 71 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we've been so fixated on frontier 72 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 2: models with hundreds of billions of parameters and the scale 73 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 2: of infrastructure needed for that with MI I F forty, 74 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 2: we're talking about something slightly different. I think it's just 75 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 2: really interesting if you could explain what the demand is 76 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 2: from those enterprises, what they want with the technology. 77 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: Well, I think you see many enterprises now using AI 78 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: all throughout their business processes, whether you're talking about things 79 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: in their workflow. Even AMD we're using AI through every 80 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: part of our development process. We're seeing a lot of 81 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: applications in financial services and healthcare, and these are areas, 82 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: especially in financial services, that people actually don't want everything 83 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: necessarily in the cloud. They'd like to be able to 84 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: have their own on prem deployment or private cloud deployments. 85 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: And in this case, you don't want to have to 86 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: build a brand new data center for every new generation 87 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: of chip. M four point forty allows us to use 88 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: some of those existing data centers in upgrade with the 89 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: new capabilities. 90 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 3: Welcome. 91 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 2: If you're watching us on Bloomberg Television or you're listening 92 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 2: on Bloomberg Radio. We're live in Las Vegas and we're 93 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 2: with AMD CEO Lisa Sue, and we're talking about the 94 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 2: latest generation of accelerators. What makes this generation of AMD 95 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 2: accelerators the better option, particularly for on prem and at 96 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 2: the edge over what Nvidia is offering right now. 97 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: Well, the best way to think about it, ED is 98 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: we're in this place where AI is at a inflection point. 99 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: We're seeing AI now in every part of compute. We 100 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: see it in the largest models, you know, when you're 101 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: thinking about things like track, GPT and Gemini and Rock. 102 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: You know, we're also seeing you know, many use cases 103 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: in UH, you know, new capabilities like you know, video production, entertainment, healthcare, 104 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: where you're doing drug discovery, all of these various things. 105 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 1: You know, our claim to fame is really you know, 106 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: outstanding performance at you know, very advantage total cost of ownership. 107 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 1: And the other thing that you know we believe very 108 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: strongly in is an open ecosystem and deep partnerships, you know, 109 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: with our UH you know, with our overall. 110 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 4: Ecosystem coming together. 111 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: So when you put those things in perspective, I think 112 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: we have a great set of applications that will take 113 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 1: advantage of these newest generationships. 114 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 2: You mentioned that Greg Brockman, who's the Opening Eye president, 115 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 2: was on stage with you last night, and one of 116 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 2: the basic points that he made was there are tools 117 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 2: and functions they would love to release and put out 118 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 2: into the world, but they are compute constrained. I often 119 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 2: ask you to quantify demand, but is there a way 120 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 2: to quantify the severity in the lack of compute, you know, 121 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 2: the deficit that's out there right now. 122 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: Well, let me just give you some numbers to kind 123 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: of ground what we think the demand environment is looking like. 124 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 1: So if you think, you know, today we have about 125 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 1: a billion active users and we're ramping that to you know, 126 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: five billion over the next five years, and we have 127 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: about let's call it, one hundred zet of flops of. 128 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 4: Compute you know, all around the world. 129 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: And that's just a generic number that that aggregates all 130 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:38,679 Speaker 1: of that. You know, we think we have to increase 131 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: compute by another one hundred times as you go over 132 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: the next you know, four or five years. And I 133 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: introduced a term last night, the YadA flop. You know, 134 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: people are like, what is a YadA flop? A YadA 135 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: flop is actually ten to the twenty fourth in terms 136 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 1: of flop. 137 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 4: So that's a one followed by twenty four zeros. 138 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: And to give you, you know, just a view of 139 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: just how much things have really increased. I mean, that's 140 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: another one hundred times more compute than we have today. 141 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: So that gives you an idea. Now you think, what 142 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: are you going to use all that compute for? I 143 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: mean the truth is, the models that we have today 144 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: are great. I mean they do amazing things. You know, 145 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: we talked about a number of use cases. Uh you know, 146 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: perhaps you know one that's you know, very hits very 147 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: close to home is is writing software. Like you know, 148 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: people are using uh, the AI tools right now to 149 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: significantly enhance the productivity of software developers. 150 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 4: But it's good, but it can get so much better. 151 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 4: And I mean, I think that's the key point. 152 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 2: You know. 153 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: We we like to say that AI is really going 154 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: to be everywhere, and it's really for everyone, and it's 155 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: for each one of us to make our businesses more productive, 156 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: you know, each one of us more productive, you know, 157 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: going forward. And so we're still in the very early 158 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: innings of really unlocking the power of AI. 159 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 2: So where we stand is we Okay, there's a compute 160 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 2: deficit and software has kind of hit the limits of 161 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 2: what current generation. 162 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 3: Compute can offer. 163 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 2: Help us understand the bottlenecks and barriers that to deploying 164 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 2: that compute a lot at the moment about memory chips, 165 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 2: what else, energy, electricity, what's crossing your desk, Lisa that 166 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 2: gives you pause and say this is a problem right now. 167 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: Well, our job as a technology industry is to push 168 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: the bleeding edge. 169 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 4: I mean, that is our job. 170 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: And so you know, when we think about like the 171 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: four fifty five deploying you know two nanimeter and three 172 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 1: and nanimeter chips, having the latest generation memory high bendw 173 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: with memory that is out there, and really deploying these 174 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: big systems, the important thing is that the entire ecosystem 175 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: come together and we plan together for this next big 176 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: inflection in compute. 177 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 4: And that's exactly what we're doing right now. 178 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: I think we're working very closely with the entire supply 179 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: chain to ensure that we have the the resources to 180 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: expand this compute environment. And yes, you know some of 181 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: the things that you mentioned are let's call it constrained, but. 182 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 3: Which is most severely so, you know, I don't. 183 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 4: Think that's any one thing. 184 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: I think we're all looking at, you know, how do 185 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 1: we build faster? You know, certainly power is one of 186 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: those areas where you know, you see throughout the world, 187 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: you know, power is being brought online as fast as possible, 188 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: certainly from a silicon standpoint. You know, we're ramping our 189 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: production capabilities with our partners. From a memory standpoint, our 190 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 1: partners ramping as well. So it's not any one thing, 191 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: I think, it's all of these things have to go 192 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: sort of in tandem, and that's why partnership is just 193 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 1: so important in this business. 194 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 2: We started this conversation talking about helios first, RAC scale 195 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 2: architecture and infrastructure from AMD, could you talk about the 196 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 2: future and how much of the content you want to 197 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 2: own in a server? 198 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 3: You know, we start this story with the. 199 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 2: GPU, Frank k If you look at what Nvidia is doing, 200 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 2: they want to increasingly own all of what's inside the box. 201 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 2: Is that something that AMD's focused on too. 202 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: You know, what's most important for us is to ensure 203 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: that we have turnkey solutions that are very very easy 204 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: for our customers to deploy, because when you think about, 205 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,839 Speaker 1: you know, how do you use all of this AI 206 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: compute most effectively? 207 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 4: You want it to go into the data. 208 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 1: Center and really be up and running on day one, 209 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: and for that you have to optimize a full system. 210 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: But from that standpoint, you know, we are very focused 211 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: on an open ecosystem. So yes, we designed the CPUs 212 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: and the GPUs and some of the networking elements, but 213 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: we also work you know, really with the broad ecosystem 214 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: of partners with industry standards. It's all about ensuring that 215 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: we get the best of all worlds when we put 216 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: our solutions together. 217 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 2: Looking ahead to m I five hundred twenty twenty seven, 218 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 2: that has one thousand times the performance of the I 219 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,719 Speaker 2: three hundred generation. So your last generation of real well 220 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 2: deployed gear. Something's coming that's a thousand times better. How 221 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,079 Speaker 2: did you make it a thousand times better? 222 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: It is just incredible engineering at every level. So m 223 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: I four fifty five is ten times better than the 224 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: trip that we just launched six months ago them I 225 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 1: three fifty five and m I five hundred is another 226 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 1: ten x you know. On top of that, we are 227 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: using the most advanced technology out there. We have a 228 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: very you know, very clear focus on you know, hardware, software, 229 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: system code design, and it is you know, clearly the 230 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: pushing the bleeding edge of capabilities. 231 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 2: What is the status of a m d's ability to 232 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 2: sell products into China right now? 233 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 4: So you know, China is an important market for us. 234 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: You know, we actually sell a broad range of tips 235 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,080 Speaker 1: into China, including our you know, our PCs as well 236 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: as you know other embedded chips. 237 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 3: In the data sets context of course, sorry, in the data. 238 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: Center context, we are you know, certainly we see China 239 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: as an important market. We were We did get some 240 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: licenses from the US government you know, late last year 241 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: as it relates to some of our previous generation are 242 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: m I three oh eight you know chips, and we 243 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: are in the process of applying for new licenses with 244 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: ourm I three twenty five chips that were recently allowed 245 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: to apply for licenses. We haven't gotten those licenses yet, 246 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: but we continue to view China as an important market. 247 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 2: For the reason I ask about it is in part 248 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 2: because a lot of the work that's being done in 249 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 2: open source models and bridging the gap between open and 250 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 2: closed it is being done in China to some extent. 251 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 2: There's been a lot of discussion about the demands being 252 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 2: there in China, But could you reflect a little bit 253 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 2: on that demand, but also what the Chinese government's attitude 254 00:12:55,600 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 2: is to you taking a later gen neration of tech 255 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 2: to the country. 256 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: Well, I do think the demand for you know, AI 257 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: in general and in China is high for all the 258 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: reasons that we talked about. I think we are in 259 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: a demand environment where more compute is beneficial across the world. 260 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: We think, you know, China is an important market for US, 261 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 1: and it's very active in having our solutions deployed, so 262 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: you know, we continue to view it as something that's important. 263 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 4: We're working with the US government as. 264 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: Well as our Chinese customers, you know, to find good 265 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: solutions there. 266 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 2: And there are signs from both governments that the licensed 267 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 2: process is moving. Commerce is kind of notorious for things 268 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 2: sitting on a desk for quite a long time. 269 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: I think we are optimistic that, you know, we'll have 270 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: an opportunity to get some of those licenses. 271 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 2: Granted you're watching Bloomberg Television, you're listening to Bloomberg Radio, 272 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 2: this is Bloomberg Tech, and we live in Las Vegas 273 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 2: with the A M D CEO, Lisa Sue. Last question, 274 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 2: really in the data center context, is the markets and 275 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 2: investors want data and signs that you're taking markets share. 276 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 2: What would the metrics be that you'd point to, either 277 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 2: that already exist or over the coming twelve months that 278 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 2: would evidence that well. 279 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: I think M I four fifty five is a clear 280 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: inflection point in both our technology capability as well as 281 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: the deep partnerships that we have across the industry. So 282 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: we're excited about, you know, what we see in front 283 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: of us. And you know, we've talked about you know, 284 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: tens of billions of dollars in an AI revenue as 285 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: we get into twenty twenty seven, and I think these 286 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: are important metrics, you know, for us as a company 287 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: when we think about the AI potential. 288 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 2: For all the focus on data centers, some forget that 289 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 2: a m D is leader in PC in many respects. 290 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 2: The forecasters have very different opinions of what will happen 291 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 2: this year. Some see, you know, shrinking market, some see 292 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 2: modest growth driven literally by just AIPC. You've been able 293 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 2: to tape market share and grow irrespective of what the 294 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 2: broader conditions are, but it haven't been great. How have 295 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 2: you done that and do you expect that to continue 296 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 2: to be the case. 297 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: Well, the PC market is a very good market for us. 298 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: You know, we grew a ton in the PC market 299 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five, and that really came from the 300 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: strength of our product portfolio. 301 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 4: We bet early in aipcs, so. 302 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: It was a clear area where we believe that the 303 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: technology would generate demand. We also went through a refresh 304 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: cycle with Windows eleven, and as we go into twenty 305 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: twenty six, I think we'll want to see how a 306 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: few quarters play out. I think the general demand for 307 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: computing is certainly there. There are some supplies chain constraints 308 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: that you know, we're working through and we want to 309 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: you know, watch going forward. But you know, our case 310 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: is one where we are still underrepresented in parts of 311 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: the market. 312 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 4: You know, we are very very strong in gaming, we're 313 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 4: very strong in consumer. 314 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: I think we're under represented in enterprise laptops, and we view. 315 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 4: This as a growth area for US. 316 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 3: Is AI PC change that. 317 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: Aipcs absolutely help in terms of, you know, just the 318 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: upgrade cycle coming in. We're excited about some of our 319 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: work with AI development systems as well. We announced a 320 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: new AI development system last night that you know, we 321 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: think will be also very attractive. 322 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 2: Those constraints you were talking about in the PC context 323 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 2: are specifically dram or it's broader than that. 324 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 4: It's more around the memory side. 325 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: So when you think about memory overall, I think we 326 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: have so much demand coming from let's call it AI 327 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: Data center compute that we want to see how it 328 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: impacts you know, sort of the rest of the memory 329 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: market out there. 330 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 3: One of the other areas that you discussed with Greg. 331 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 2: Brockman on stage from Open AI was sort of the 332 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 2: net or broad economic impact of AI, not just for 333 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 2: the companies. I think you were talking more about economy again, 334 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 2: very difficulty, so that how does one measure progress in 335 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 2: whether AI has or has not had a direct positive 336 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 2: economic impact around the world in any given year. 337 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: You know, It's true, it's hard to deconvolve all of 338 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: the things that are happening. But I think from a 339 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: sense of you know, what we see in the business, 340 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: and you know, many people want to see direct return 341 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:29,199 Speaker 1: on investment for a particular a set of investments, what 342 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 1: I would say is that we know that AI. 343 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 4: Is making a difference in the productivity of companies. 344 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: We know that I can see that, you know, within 345 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 1: a MD in terms of as we deploy AI, you know, 346 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: we're able to get products to market faster, We're able 347 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: to you know, significantly improve some of our business processes. 348 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: So you know, as we go forward over the next 349 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 1: several years, I think you're going to see that much 350 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 1: broader enterprises. Every CEO that I talked to is talking 351 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: about AI. It is front and center in terms of 352 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 1: how to build a better company, how to build the 353 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: better portfolio, and so you know, I think what you 354 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: know Greg was talking about is when you aggregate all 355 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 1: of that, AI has to impact you know the world 356 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: at a GDP level, and we'll see that over the 357 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: next few years. 358 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 2: You're watching Bloomberg Television, you're listening to Bloomberg Radio. This 359 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 2: is Bloomberg Tech and we're live in Las Vegas. We're 360 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 2: speaking to A m d's CEO, Lisa Sue. You are 361 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 2: an investor in Generative baronyx's also technology partner, and they 362 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 2: have unveiled a humanoid robot here at Las Vegas cees. 363 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 2: In fact, if the magic of television can happen, and 364 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 2: we cut to the why. 365 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 3: Do we have to see it in the background? Right? 366 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 2: You know, this is the first tangible sign I feel 367 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 2: we've seen from AM and D on how you intend 368 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 2: to play in physical AI. Yes, explain your strategy. It 369 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,360 Speaker 2: is the next big market, right, Yes. 370 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: And I wouldn't say it's the first time, but it's 371 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 1: probably one of the areas where we don't highlight as 372 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: much because there's so much focused on data center and 373 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: cloud and the opportunities there are you know, very much. 374 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 4: In front of us. 375 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: But when we look at physical AI, you know, starting 376 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: from all of the work we've done in FPGAs and 377 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: embedded real time you know capability, we have been in 378 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: this space for a long time. You know, we already 379 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: power a lot of robotic applications you know out there. 380 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 1: But I think as we go into the humanoid capability, 381 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,719 Speaker 1: and you know, we're excited about our partnership with you know, 382 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: g Bionics and the work with on June one, I 383 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: think that takes us to another level in terms of 384 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: capability and intelligence and what we're trying to do so. 385 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 2: Is the business model to be all things the brain 386 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 2: inside of the humanoid robot and inference side that, the 387 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 2: underlying software being traded on a trained on a m 388 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 2: D accelerators. Just I don't what's to go to the market, 389 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 2: I guess is what I'm asking you should. 390 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: Expect that our partnerships extend all through all of those levels, 391 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: so we have the components that can power the humanoid robots, 392 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: you know, sort of real time local capability, which is 393 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: a very very important and then we also have the 394 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: technology behind that in terms of, you know, how to 395 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 1: train and inference on these humanoids. 396 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,199 Speaker 3: When last we met in person, it was in Washington, 397 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 3: d C. 398 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 2: And the President had just outlined a broad strategy for 399 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 2: America in AI and it really centered around infrastructure deregulation 400 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 2: allowing those building the infrastructure to move faster. That was 401 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 2: kind of in the second half of last year. In 402 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 2: the months that have followed, have you seen any signs 403 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 2: that it worked and anything that you could point to 404 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 2: that says, yeah, people are able to build faster maybe 405 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 2: to address some of the compute deficits we discussed. 406 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 1: Well, I can say for sure, you know, the President's 407 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: AI action plan. You know, when we met, and I 408 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: think this was back in July when it came out, 409 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: I was very optimistic about having a really forward leaning 410 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: strategy from you know, sort of the whole view of 411 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: what does it take for the US to lead an AI. 412 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: And I think we've made a ton of progress along 413 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: the way. And you know, I had Michael Kratzios joined 414 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: us last night on stage as well to talk about 415 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: the Genesis Mission, which is you know, another you know, 416 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: sort of public private partnership approach to really advanced science 417 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 1: in the United States, and when you look at you know, 418 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 1: all of these things, you know, building faster, ensuring that 419 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: we have you know, the right export controls so that 420 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: we were able to have the US stack adopted. 421 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 3: Across the controls. 422 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 4: Currently, we are certainly working. 423 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: Very closely with uh, you know, the the various parties 424 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: in the US government to ensure that we have the 425 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: right balance there. And we also have you know, this 426 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 1: notion of how do we invest more here and ensure 427 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: that in the United States that we are you know, 428 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: running as fast as possible to bring you AI capacity 429 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 1: you know online, to help us in you know, science 430 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: and you know sort of the broader you know, economic benefits. 431 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 2: Lisa, what what happens in twenty twenty six, what happens 432 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 2: in the world of AI, and what do you think 433 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,719 Speaker 2: will define this year in terms of the progress that 434 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 2: your industry hopes to make. 435 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: Well, I started our keynote last night with the sentence 436 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: that you know, you ain't seen nothing yet. 437 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 4: That's really how I feel. 438 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,199 Speaker 1: I Mean, we're sitting here in January and it's just 439 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: amazing how much progress is made, you know, every week 440 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: and every month when we see how these models are developing, 441 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 1: when we see how the use cases are developing, and 442 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: then when we see the tangible results on businesses and outcomes, 443 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: I believe that, you know, we saw a good amount 444 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: of that, you know, come to Fruition in twenty twenty five. 445 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: We're going to see much more of that in twenty 446 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 1: twenty six, So that everyone should understand that, you know, 447 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: AI is not just you know, hype out there. It's 448 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 1: not just you know, sort of things that people are 449 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: talking about in the investment community. It's things that people 450 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: are using every day, real time and feeling like, Hey, 451 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: my life is better because I have this technology. 452 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 4: And I think we're going to see that in twenty 453 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 4: twenty six. 454 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 2: Lisa suit AMD CEO AMD with it's in the world's 455 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 2: first two animeter chip going into Helos, its first rack 456 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 2: scale system solution