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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Diddy Ho Ho Ho comes first Christmas behind bars this

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Speaker 2: while there is a j Z panic going on.

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Speaker 3: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 3: being with us.

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Speaker 4: He didd He's tangled web of sex, abuse and drugs deepened,

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Speaker 4: says Beyonce's famous rapper Hubby jay Z is named in

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Speaker 4: a hot new lawsuit.

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Speaker 3: Why would anybody call a lawsuit where a then thirteen

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Speaker 3: year old girl claims she was raped?

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Speaker 1: Why is that hot? I don't know that. I agree

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Speaker 1: with that, well I do. I disagree with that.

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Speaker 3: If these allegations are true, there's heinous.

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Speaker 1: But are they true?

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Speaker 3: How did jay Z get pulled into the Diddy nightmare?

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Speaker 3: First of all, take a listen to this.

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Speaker 5: Another shocking revelation in the scandal is Sean Ditty Combs case,

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Speaker 5: now officially including jay Z in a civil lawsuit, Sean

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Speaker 5: Dittycombs and jay Z standing cues of raping a thirteen

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Speaker 5: year old girl at an after party for the two

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Speaker 5: thousand MTV Video Music Awards. The thirteen year old at

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Speaker 5: the time says she had been trying to get into

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Speaker 5: the VMAs by standing outside of Radio City Music Hall.

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Speaker 5: And walking up to limousines that we're bringing guests into

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Speaker 5: the venue. It works, as she is invited to an

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Speaker 5: after party by a limo driver who claims to work

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Speaker 5: for Combs. He tells her she fit. What did he

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Speaker 5: was looking for?

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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on just a moment.

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Speaker 3: This is how jay Z has been dragged into aka

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Speaker 3: Shawn Carter, dragged into the Didty nightmare and just in

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Speaker 3: time for Christmas.

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Speaker 1: Now let me stress.

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Speaker 3: The jay Z aka Sean Carter insists the claims he

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Speaker 3: had anything to do with raping a thirteen year old

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Speaker 3: little girl our false.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what is the rest of the story.

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Speaker 3: The little girl is standing outside Radio City Music Halsee.

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Speaker 3: When I think of that, I think about taking the

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Speaker 3: twins to go see the Rockets Christmas Show.

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Speaker 1: But according to this girl, then thirteen, that is not

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Speaker 1: at all what happened. Listen.

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Speaker 6: The Jane Doe is handed a non disclosure agreement to

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Speaker 6: sign and a drink she believes is spiked. In minutes,

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Speaker 6: she hears Diddy utter words she can still hear to

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Speaker 6: this day. The plaintiff claims Combs approaches her with a

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Speaker 6: crazed look in his eyes, telling her you are ready

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Speaker 6: to party, the words she can't forget. She accuses Colmbs

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Speaker 6: of throwing her toward a wall, causing her to fall.

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Speaker 6: She gets up and stumbles. Combs grabs her and throws

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Speaker 6: her on the bed, and jay Z holds her down

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Speaker 6: and vaginally rapes her while Combs and another A list

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Speaker 3: Sean Carter aka jay Z, better known as Beyonce's husband,

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Speaker 3: is sim he is innocent, and he is demanding that

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Speaker 3: the idea of the then thirteen year old girl be revealed. Okay,

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Speaker 3: straight out to Kella Brantley joining us, our investigative reporter

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Speaker 3: at lawds with Dailymail dot Com and host of the

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Speaker 3: Trial of Diddy.

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Speaker 1: Another bombshell.

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Speaker 3: Okay, as if it's not bad enough that a thirteen

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Speaker 1: Old little girl is making this claim.

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Speaker 3: Jay Z is dragged into this because Kella marked my words.

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Speaker 3: Prosecutors are looking right now for any supporting evidence that

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Speaker 3: Sean Carter aka jay Z was there that night at

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Speaker 3: the after party following the VMA's and if they can

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Speaker 3: establish that jay Z was in fact there that night, they're.

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Speaker 1: Going to be looking to question him. What do we know,

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Speaker 1: Killa absolutely Nancy.

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Speaker 7: I mean, what we know so far is that this

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Speaker 7: federal lawsuit, it was originally filed in October, and it

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Speaker 7: was just refiled this week to include jay Z, to

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Speaker 7: name him Sean Carter. But what's interesting here is that

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Speaker 7: it states that there was another high profile female celebrity

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Speaker 7: who stood by and watched. So the question here, of

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Speaker 7: course is who is she? And like you said, that,

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Speaker 7: prosecutors are going to be looking for evidence, looking to

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Speaker 7: And one thing that we're definitely sure that they're going

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Speaker 1: Oh, you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 3: The mystery surrounding a female celebrity beat bias in brother.

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Speaker 3: So let me understand this, Caleb Brantley, for those of

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Speaker 3: you just joining us, not only is Diddy Ho Ho

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Speaker 3: Ho having his first Christmas behind bars, now, somehow jay

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Speaker 3: Z has been dragged into this whole nightmare. And if

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Speaker 3: jay Z he is dragged into this whole nightmare, Beyonce

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Speaker 3: is dragged into this whole nightmare.

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Speaker 1: Not that she was at the party, not that she had.

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Speaker 3: Anything to do with this, but his PR nightmare is

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Speaker 3: her PR nightmare.

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Speaker 1: His problem is her problem.

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Speaker 3: Long story short, the then thirteen year old little girl says,

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Speaker 3: correct me if I'm wrong, Kila. She's outside Radio City

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Speaker 3: Music Hall trying to get in to the VMA's and

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Speaker 3: That Sean Carter, jay Z is there, that Comb's Diddy

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Speaker 3: to sign, given a drink which she now thinks was spiked,

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Speaker 3: and then was raped with Carter, who denies it vehemently,

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Speaker 7: That's correct, Nancy, that's what the filing alleges. Of course,

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Speaker 7: it's all allegations at this point. But what he says

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Speaker 7: that's very disturbing is that once she felt woozy after

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Speaker 7: taking a drink, that Diddy allegedly said you're ready to party,

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Speaker 7: and that Sean Diddy, Combes and jay Z actually took

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Speaker 7: turns raping her while that third celebrity woman watched on,

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Speaker 7: And it was only until she fought back and hit

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Speaker 7: Diddy in the neck and she ran away, went to

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Speaker 7: So that's the whole story there from what this Anonymous

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Speaker 7: Jane Doo is telling us.

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Speaker 3: Joining me special guest Rob Shooter, host of Naughty but

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Speaker 3: Nice podcast and former publicist for Seawan Combe's, author of

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Speaker 3: the Four Word Answer, Rob PR nightmare Number one. Of course,

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Speaker 3: if any of this is true, and he says is

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Speaker 3: absolutely not true, I can't say that enough. But if

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Speaker 3: any of this is true, it's a PR nightmare. But

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Speaker 3: even if it's not true, it's still a PR nightmare

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Speaker 3: for Sean Carter.

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Speaker 8: Rob Absolutely this is a crisis for the Carter family,

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Speaker 8: not just Beyonce and Jay, but also the kids are involved.

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Speaker 8: Her mom is involved, to Beyonce's mom is involved in this,

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Speaker 8: and so this is a massive PR crisis. They knew

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Speaker 8: it was coming, so they suspected this was coming for

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Speaker 8: a while, so they had their statement ready to go.

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Speaker 8: And the day that it was actually announced that Jay's

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Speaker 8: name was announced, Beyonce was planning to walk a red

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Speaker 8: carpet that night for a Disney premiere in La I'm

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Speaker 8: told initially the family pulled out and then they changed

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Speaker 8: the red carpet less than twenty four hours after these allegations,

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Speaker 8: after his name was named.

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Speaker 1: And again Rob Shooter.

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Speaker 3: Whether the claims are true, true or false, it's still devastating.

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Speaker 3: And you know another thing about this, the fact that

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Speaker 3: Beyonce is now pulled into it. Have you ever heard

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Speaker 3: the phrase birds of a feather flock together or you

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Speaker 3: lay down with the dog, you wake up with a flea.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever heard either one of those?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know this doesn't work in a court of law.

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Speaker 1: It's not really.

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Speaker 3: Argued in a court of law because it's inappropriate and prejudicial.

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Speaker 3: But no juror can help but think those two adages.

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Speaker 3: If all of this is true about Sean Combs, he

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Speaker 3: says he's innocent, But are all these other women lying?

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Speaker 3: All I'm supposed to believe they're all lying? In Combs

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Speaker 1: I don't believe that.

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Speaker 3: If any of those claims against him are true, what.

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Speaker 1: Is jay Z doing hanging around with him?

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Speaker 8: These two grew up together in the rap world, So

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Speaker 8: when did he started out? Early on in his career,

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Speaker 8: Jay was starting out too, Beyonce as well. They weren't

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Speaker 8: always the big superstars they were today. We forget that

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Speaker 8: about celebrities that at one point they did start out

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Speaker 8: learning their craft. They were in the same sort of group,

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Speaker 8: they were hanging out together, they were probably bad boys together.

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Speaker 8: But now this is coming to bite jay Z somewhere

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Speaker 3: Well, I've got a really big indication that all is

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Speaker 3: not pure paradise in the jay Z Beyonce union. Do

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Speaker 3: you remember when Solange, oh, here we go in the

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Speaker 3: And do you notice it's a bodyguard pulling Beyonce's sister

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Speaker 3: off of jay Z. It's not her, it's not they

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Speaker 3: pulling her off. This is from our friends at TMZ.

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Speaker 3: I just can't look at that enough because when Beyonce

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Speaker 3: like got a half smile going on, like she's happy.

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Speaker 1: Soan gave him the one too.

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Speaker 3: What about it, Rob Sheeter, I'm curious to know exactly

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Speaker 3: when this video was as opposed to to compare to

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Speaker 1: But I mean that tells it all to me.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think when that video was released it was

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Speaker 8: an absolute bombshell. It's easy to think that these celebrities

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Speaker 8: there's always some family drama here. But I think what's

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Speaker 8: so interesting about this video to me is that Beyonce

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Speaker 8: We have video of them leaving that hotel. It was

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Speaker 8: we see them walk into their cars almost with a

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Speaker 8: smile on her face. Let me just quickly add two.

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Speaker 8: Beyonce had a very famous song out where she referenced

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Speaker 3: It is believed.

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Speaker 8: Amongst the music business inside us that that's a reference

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Speaker 3: You know, you Brits love a good sex story. I, however,

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Speaker 3: do not unless it has something to do with a felony,

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Speaker 3: which cheating does not. Unless it's got crime scene tape

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Speaker 3: around it. I don't care about it. So they can

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Speaker 3: all cheat as much as they want to. What I

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Speaker 3: want to talk about with you, Shooter, is this case

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Speaker 3: the evidence and another thing I want to ask you

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Speaker 3: before I go to jay Z's denials, Rob Shooter, does

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Speaker 3: that sound plausible? The thirteen year old girl would be

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Speaker 3: in a line to get into the VMA's and be

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Speaker 3: plucked out. And remember, Rob Sheeter, this is similar to

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Speaker 3: what other women have said. They would be put into

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Speaker 3: a limo, They would be taken to a party that

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Speaker 3: have a drink and the next.

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Speaker 1: Thing you know, they were raped.

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Speaker 3: It fits the same EMMA, except this time jay Z

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Speaker 3: is thrown on the part to Steve Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I think the myth here is these big celebrity parties,

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Speaker 8: You see people slip past barriers. If you want to

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Speaker 3: Sheeter, I'm not trying to sneak into a VIP, jay

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Speaker 3: Z or Sean Combe's party. That's it about to Quila Brandley,

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Speaker 3: the trial of Diddy. Kila Jackie's telling me here in

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Speaker 3: When do we think the alleged thirteen year old rape occurred.

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Speaker 1: Would you not.

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Speaker 6: Agree these alleged victims would deserve real justice if.

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Speaker 1: Diddy Ho ho ho.

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Speaker 3: Crime behind bars because he can't get his laptop.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what happens when you're charged with multiple counts

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Speaker 3: But now in the mix of all of this, jay

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Speaker 1: But what does he say? He responds vehemently, listen.

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Speaker 5: Continuing his offense, stating, you have made a terrible air

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Speaker 8: He's trying to make sure we all realize that these

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Speaker 8: I don't know if that necessarily helps them. They're so ugly, but.

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Speaker 3: That's so you're in your mind as a publicist, having

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Speaker 1: When he was thirty one, that what doesn't count. It

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Speaker 8: But they're trying to give a little bit of distance here,

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Speaker 3: What he's doing, this press release. I don't know how

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Speaker 8: I don't think he's helping his case. I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: Okay, well let me ask you something else, Rob She.

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Speaker 3: You know the old adage when you don't know a horse,

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Speaker 1: If you want to know who was hanging out with.

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Speaker 1: When the party was.

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Speaker 3: If you want to know who was with him that night,

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Speaker 1: Would you agree or disagree? Because somebody needed to a party.

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Speaker 3: Seeing a thirteen year old girl and getting rape is

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Speaker 1: Joshua, thank you for being with us. Josh I just.

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Speaker 3: Came to mind a thirteen year old girl that had

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Speaker 3: I was beating the streets till five o'clock that morning

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Speaker 1: What do you make of it?

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Speaker 11: They're trying to do exactly what you just pointed out.

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Speaker 11: This same attorney, Tony Busby now has over one hundred

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Speaker 1: I also hear Jay Z aka Sean.

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Speaker 7: Not only did Jay Z emphatically deny these allegations, he

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Speaker 7: He called him an ambulance chaser in a cheap suit.

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Speaker 3: Doctor Bethany Marshall joining me, renowned psychoanalysts joining us out

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Speaker 1: I scene out remember when A. J.

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Speaker 3: Simpson said there was a big conspiracy to frame him

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Speaker 3: So when you hear conspiracy thrown out there, it immediately

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Speaker 12: What was a code of honor makes him.

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Speaker 13: Look lose credibility because people who do heinous things turn

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Speaker 13: I think about this, Nancy.

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Speaker 3: Okay, are you trying to say that they say married

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Speaker 13: Women blind themselves to that, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: I'm writing a book about love.

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Speaker 13: Fraud right now, and what I'm seeing is that women

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Speaker 13: I don't know about jay Z if these allegations are

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm sorry, my head just blew off. Are you

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Speaker 1: I never knew what she saw in him anyway.

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Speaker 13: were socialized to feel that way, to look past the

439
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,719
Speaker 13: misdeeds of the other person. I'm sure you saw this all.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, actually I do, but not everybody is Beyonce beautiful, talented,

441
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 3: multi millionaire, probably billionaire, beautiful children.

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Speaker 1: I just I never saw the jay Z. Why did

443
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Speaker 1: she marry him to start with?

444
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Speaker 3: Not that that's part of the evidence, but why did

445
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 3: she marry him and all the men in the world.

446
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Speaker 1: She could have had a couple of reasons.

447
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Speaker 8: If I'm being optimistic, I want to say because she

448
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 8: fell in love, and love's very confusing. We never really

449
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 8: know how to follow it. But if I'm being a

450
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 8: little bit more cynical, jay Z helped shape beyond Say's Korea.

451
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 8: When she married him, she definitely was a star, but

452
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 8: she was in a group, Destiny's Child. She hadn't yet

453
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 8: broken out into being a superstar in her own right.

454
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 8: So many many people think that Jesse he's not just

455
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 8: a performer. You have to remember behind the scenes, he's

456
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 8: one of the most powerful people in the music business.

457
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 3: Plus, she started dating him when she was just nineteen.

458
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 3: And I don't know, I'm not a shrink. I don't

459
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 3: know how that played into it, But at nineteen, what

460
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Speaker 3: do you know? I mean, now I look at a

461
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 3: man and I think, but he'd be a good father,

462
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 3: is he going to be a good role model. I

463
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 3: tell my husband all the time, Look, wherever you go

464
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Speaker 3: during the day, act like you're going to work. They

465
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 3: just act that way. Okay, get dressed up and go

466
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Speaker 3: to the office. Okay. Luckily I've got life three sixty

467
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 3: on him, so I know he does go to the office.

468
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 3: But I look at what kind of father they're going

469
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Speaker 3: to be. Are they going to be stable when I

470
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 3: need him? Is he gonna be there? Is he gonna

471
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 3: be running across the street and get a pack of cigarettes?

472
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Speaker 1: So what you want? Help me out, Bethany.

473
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 3: I'm trying to explain something to Rob Sheeter, and I

474
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 3: don't think I'm doing a very good job.

475
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Speaker 1: At What you want at nineteen may not be what

476
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: you want later, Nancy.

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Speaker 13: It's true jay Z was rich, famous, and a producer,

478
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 13: and she was nineteen on her way up. He employed

479
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 13: the most common offending pattern or grooming pattern. If the

480
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 13: allegations are true, I have no idea, but the offending

481
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 13: pattern is, Hey, I'm rich and famous, and I can

482
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Speaker 13: make you rich and famous too.

483
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Speaker 1: Okay, So I okay, you know this is what I know.

484
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: All I'm hearing right now, I said, blah blah, blah

485
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,719
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. But I know this, rolland

486
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: roll it, Liz.

487
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 3: This is what I know that when Beyonce's sister Solange

488
00:26:55,560 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 3: attacked jay Z, they just stood there and went, go

489
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 3: use your foot, girl, go go go.

490
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 1: It didn't bother her at all.

491
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Speaker 3: Now that's my friend Harvey Levin over at t EMZ

492
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 3: so we can talk to We're all blue in the face,

493
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 3: But to me, that video says it all. Lynda Shaw,

494
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 3: somehow I've gotten into the marriage of jay Z and Beyonce.

495
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 3: Can we just bring it back to the thirteenth then

496
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 3: thirteen year old little girl?

497
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Speaker 12: We can bring it back, Nancy, But I have to

498
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 12: weigh in. Let's get real. I'm a New Yorker. This

499
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 12: was always we heard a business arrangement. He was such

500
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 12: a powerful man.

501
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: She will live. Where those three children come from.

502
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 12: Well that's another program, Nancy, if you want my thoughts

503
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 12: on that, because I've heard a lot of different versions

504
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 12: of where they actually came from. So I'm just gonna

505
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 12: leave it at that. So we can talk about the

506
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 12: thirty That sounds.

507
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: Like another conspiracy theory.

508
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 3: I'm not buying in to where the children do not

509
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 3: even put the words of blue ivy in your mouth.

510
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 12: Okay, Donnald, I didn't. But Nancy, let me tell you something.

511
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 12: Think about this, everybody. Conspiracy usually proves to be true.

512
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 12: Think about all the conspiracies we've heard about. When people

513
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 12: throw that word out there, it usually turns out to

514
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 12: be true. And I'm going to leave that for a minute.

515
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 12: I'm going to get to this thirteen year old. First

516
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 12: of all, very disturbing, this usual, this vehement, whatever this

517
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 12: statement is that he put out, jay Z, you know

518
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 12: what it did not include. It was very aggressive. As

519
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 12: we pointed out, he never actually said I did not

520
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 12: touch a thirteen year old. I did not touch a

521
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 12: little girl. I am the father to you, a young girl.

522
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 12: He said a lot of things, but he did not

523
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 12: actually deny this if you read through that. So I

524
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 12: have a problem with that. I also have a problem

525
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 12: with a little thirteen year old signed an NDA. A

526
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 12: child cannot sign an NDA. But here's what we need.

527
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 12: We need proof. We can talk to hell we're blue

528
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 12: in the face, scream and yell. We need proof. I

529
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 12: want to know where's that limo driver that supposedly dropped

530
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 12: her off at this white house with the circular drive.

531
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 12: Can't we trace back records to whose driver was Rob Shooter?

532
00:28:59,680 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: Way?

533
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,479
Speaker 12: You've been in New York a long time too, Like,

534
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 12: there's been so many stories.

535
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: About jay Z, Diddy, this and that.

536
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 12: And let me tell you a code of silence, code

537
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 12: of honor, whatever you call it, It's called don't talk.

538
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 12: So why is that in New York? I'm a New

539
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 12: Yorker again? Why is jay Z talking out like this?

540
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 12: Why is he opening his mouth at all? That's my

541
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 12: take on the whole thing. We have to get back

542
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 12: to the victim, the survivors. I'm the first one that

543
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 12: always supports them. But if we are to go to

544
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 12: court and prove all of this, we cannot do a

545
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 12: disservice to the real victims, the real survivors, if we

546
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 12: can't get this case into court and hold them accountable.

547
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: Okay, Rob's heater.

548
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 3: Number one, answer her question, and number two, you think

549
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 3: you know who the female mystery celebrity is, don't you?

550
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 12: Two things?

551
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 5: Two things?

552
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 8: Nancy. So to answer the question, jay Z is speaking

553
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 8: at now and not because he saw the light or

554
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 8: he's been a good guy. He was named in the

555
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 8: lawsuits and so he is responding to that lawsuits. He's

556
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 8: known about these these rumors for a really long time.

557
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 8: Also too, Let's be honest, jay Z knows what happens

558
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 8: him and did he were there. They know what happens

559
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 8: and so the only reason jay Z is talking is

560
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 8: because he has been named. Second question Nancy was about,

561
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 8: remind me forgive me.

562
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: Shooter the mystery female celebrity. You know who you think

563
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: it is. That's why I forgot it.

564
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 8: I don't want to talk about this one. There's rumors.

565
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 8: I think I know who it is. It's somebody that

566
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 8: is very close to Diddy. This is not a random celebrity.

567
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 8: This isn't somebody that stumbled into a party. This is

568
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 8: someone that's a friend, someone that considers him a brother,

569
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 8: somebody that wants to protect him.

570
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 3: I said enough, Okay, I'm not getting out of you today,

571
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 3: but I guarantee you, Shooter, I will get it out

572
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 3: of you.

573
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Natty Grace Sean Ditty.

574
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Speaker 10: Combs will be celebrating his first Christmas in jail, and

575
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 10: it looks like it will be a full day Christmas

576
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 10: at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn. Will include the

577
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 10: opportunity for inmates to play card games, dominoes, and a

578
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 10: three on three basketball tournament, and when it's time for

579
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 10: the traditional holiday meal. The Christmas Day Ditty menu will

580
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 10: feature baked cornish hen, macaroni and cheese, cranberry sauce, dinner rolls,

581
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Speaker 10: and a holiday dessert.

582
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Speaker 3: A holiday dessert cornish hen, cranberry sauce, mac and cheese,

583
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 3: dinner rolls, a holiday dessert, a traditional holiday meal, card games, dominoes.

584
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: Three on three basketball?

585
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 3: What straight out to doctor Dwayne Hendricks? Doctor Hendricks joining

586
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 3: US former Associate warden at NDC Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn,

587
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 3: former senior warden with the US Department of Justice, blah

588
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah, author of Who Are You See It?

589
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 3: Say It Sees It? And president of a New Daylight Foundation. Okay,

590
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 3: doctor Dwayne, I could go on with your CV, but

591
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 3: I don't have time, Doctor Hendrix.

592
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: What am I hearing?

593
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 3: Nobody's making me a cornish hen and I haven't committed

594
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 3: a felony norma I have. I'm been charge with one

595
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 3: cornishan mac and cheese, cranberry sauce, a special holiday dessert.

596
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 9: What He's the most wonderful time of the year, Nascy uh,

597
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 9: you know for accused rays again, there are housed under

598
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 9: the care of the Attorney general, US Attorney General, and

599
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 9: it's their responsibility to make sure that they're running a state.

600
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 9: And he made facility and as all of all Americans

601
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 9: and quotes across the world celebrate the holiday season, you know,

602
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 9: it's not unusual to spend tax payer dollars to ensure

603
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 9: individuals who are inside facilities, you know, have some semblance

604
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 9: of the holidays because you know, obviously you know, suicide

605
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 9: rates are very high during this time period. And also

606
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 9: folks are fighting for their freedom. Uh, so you know,

607
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 9: they want to make sure that there is some semblance

608
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 9: of normalcy in their lives although they are incarcerated.

609
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 3: Okay, you know, doctor Hendrix, I'm very surprised that you

610
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 3: just said that. But instead of attacking you for your

611
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 3: let me just say generosity toward accused rapist.

612
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Speaker 1: Linshaw helped me out here three on three.

613
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 3: Basketball a Christmas Day Diddy menu with cornish hen mac

614
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 3: and cheese, cranberry sauce generals, and a holiday dessert. This

615
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 3: while Sean comes aka Diddy a ka Puff aka Puffy

616
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 3: aka Puff Daddy aka Love is whining. He can't have

617
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 3: his laptop. I mean, something is completely fast awkwards with this.

618
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 3: Oh you know what, while I've got you, Lynshaw, he

619
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 3: also had a special Thanksgiving me turkey roast, mashed potatoes,

620
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 3: mixed vangies, cranery sauce, turkey gravy.

621
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: Dinner rolls of course with margarine, and.

622
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 3: A special assortment of holiday pies.

623
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Speaker 12: Thoughts hi aka Dirty Diddy, you forgot that one, Nancy.

624
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 12: Let me tell you something. Give this guy porridge, soupy porridge.

625
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: I don't care.

626
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 12: He's getting a lot of special special things here. But

627
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 12: let's turn this around. How about all the victims. We

628
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 12: at the Warriors work with survivors who are not being

629
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 12: treated to special Christmas desserts, you know, on the taxpayer dollar,

630
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 12: because we have to bake the cakes the public and

631
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 12: bring it to the people because we don't have the

632
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 12: resources to give them a nice holiday, and the toys

633
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 12: we have to collect for kids because well, the taxpayer dollars,

634
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 12: there's not enough to go around for these poor survivors

635
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 12: of human trafficking, sex, slavery, sexual exploitation. And this guy's

636
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 12: complaining he should get nothing. I'm sorry you're in jail

637
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 12: for a reason, even if you haven't been found guilty yet,

638
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 12: you should be sweeping out the cells. Send them out

639
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 12: onto the streets. Our New York City streets are filthy.

640
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 12: Let them go out there. Well, then again, here in

641
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,439
Speaker 12: New York they call that labor trafficking, so we can't

642
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 12: have that. But let's get back to come on now.

643
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 12: We don't care what he has to eat. Give him

644
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 12: that old tuna fish sandwich we heard about a few

645
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 12: months ago. He deserves nothing, and from what I understand,

646
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 12: he's still get it from my sources, a couple of

647
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 12: special privileges in this metropolitan detention center. Let's put the

648
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 12: focus back on the holidays and the kids, the survivors,

649
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 12: the victims of all sexual exploitation.

650
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Speaker 3: I just feel too, doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst, that the

651
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 3: focus is on what can we do for Sean Combs

652
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 3: to make his life better and happier and more luxurious

653
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Speaker 3: and more pleasant behind bars while he waits on his

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Speaker 3: multi count federal indictment trial. We now know he's creating

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Speaker 3: a stink because he can't have his personal laptop. Remember

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Speaker 3: Alex Murlad behind bars for double and the brutal execution

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Speaker 3: of his wife and son. Remember when he got a

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Speaker 3: hold of a tablet and he took shirtless selfies. I

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Speaker 3: don't even want to think about Alex and Murdog without

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Speaker 3: his shirt on. So why does he get special food,

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Speaker 3: special menus, a holiday ditty dinner for Christmas, a laptop,

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Speaker 3: three on three, basketball, Domino's card games.

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Speaker 1: Just when you.

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Speaker 3: Think about the lifetime sentence, the life sentence that rape

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Speaker 3: victims get after.

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Speaker 1: They are brutalized, and then.

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Speaker 3: Everyone is worried, like doctor Dwayne Hendrix is worried about

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Speaker 3: Diddy's feelings behind bars.

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Speaker 13: You know, Nancy, I always wonder, like what is good

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Speaker 13: for somebody who's sociopathic?

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Speaker 1: What would be good.

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Speaker 13: For Sean Dittycombs is to have the identical experience that

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Speaker 13: the victims had. Now, I don't mean to be raped,

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Speaker 13: but to be frightened, to be off from resources, to

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Speaker 13: as Lynn Shaw so beautifully said, sweep out the other jails,

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Speaker 13: sweep out the streets, to really know what it's like

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Speaker 13: to be in that position. Because sociopaths don't have empathy,

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Speaker 13: they don't know what their victims feel, or if they

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Speaker 13: do know, they use it to manipulate them. So if

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Speaker 13: he had a similar experience that actually might be helpful

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Speaker 13: for him and good for him to not have that

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Speaker 13: laptop because he would use it to threaten victims.

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Speaker 10: Spending his birthday and holidays in jail was never a

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Speaker 10: plan for Diddy. The Disgrace Music Mobile has been trying

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Speaker 10: to get released from jail pending trial, but even though

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Speaker 10: he has offered upwards of fifty million dollars to wait

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Speaker 10: for trial at his home on Star Island, prosecutors have

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Speaker 10: insisted he is a threat to witnesses and victims. Diddy

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Speaker 10: has had three swings at being released on bail until trial,

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Speaker 10: and each time he's whipped.

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Speaker 1: Straight back out.

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Speaker 3: Tokaela Brantley, joining US investigative reporter at large for dailymail

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Speaker 3: dot Com and host of the Trial of Ditty podcas

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Speaker 3: As Kila, tell me what happened at that last bond

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Speaker 3: bail hearing.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Nancy, this was his third attempt at bail. The

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Speaker 7: judge completely denied it, and interestingly in court did he

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Speaker 7: showed up not in shackles. This was actually a request

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Speaker 7: made by his legal team that they felt that it

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Speaker 7: would really just influence the jury and you know, people

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Speaker 7: around because this is a high profile celebrity, and the

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Speaker 7: judge did grant that, so he was not shackled this time.

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Speaker 7: You know, he said hi to his family, So that's

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Speaker 7: what happened in court. But he's supposed to have his

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Speaker 7: trials start May fifth, twenty twenty five, and every legal

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Speaker 7: expert that we've spoken to thinks that's absolutely impossible. So

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Speaker 7: it's likely that he'll be there for a while.

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Speaker 3: To Joshua Ritter, veteran trial lawyer, former prosecutor, and host

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Speaker 3: of Courtroom Confidential, josh the lawyers at trial wanted did

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Speaker 3: he housed in a luxury apartment in Manhattan. They came

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Speaker 3: up with all of these terms put off to put

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Speaker 3: up a fifty million dollar bond. They also insisted the

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Speaker 3: restrictions on him having a laptop are quote untenable, and

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Speaker 3: that he should have unfettered access to a computer whenever

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Speaker 3: and wherever.

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Speaker 1: He wants to use it.

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you first about the bail bond bid.

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Speaker 3: What do you think will there be another one? I

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Speaker 3: think there will.

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Speaker 11: I think they'll keep on trying because they're desperately trying

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Speaker 11: to get him out to try to defend himself on this.

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Speaker 11: I don't think there's a chance of it happening, though,

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Speaker 11: I mean, we've heard the more that we hear about this.

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Speaker 11: This man was an absolute menace for decades, intimidating people,

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Speaker 11: using his power, using his wealth to get what he

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Speaker 11: wanted and to scare people. And the prosecutors see that.

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Speaker 11: The judge thankfully is seeing that. I don't think there's

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Speaker 11: a chance this man gets out. He's already made his

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Speaker 11: best shot fifty million dollars and basically around the clock surveillance,

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Speaker 11: and the judge says, no doubt. So I don't think

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Speaker 11: there's a chance he gets out before trial.

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Speaker 3: We've been talking about Jay z Akaa Sean Carter getting

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Speaker 3: dragged into the Diddy turmoil, but there is another star

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Speaker 3: probably sweating it out right now, Jennifer Lopez.

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Speaker 5: A new documentary about Sean Ditty Comb's protege Shine, has

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Speaker 5: the former mogul sending out a season desist letter from jail,

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Speaker 5: But as people say it isn't to get rid of

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Speaker 5: the documentary, he sends the CND to make sure the

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Speaker 5: facts are right. Shine is with Ditty and Jennifer Lopez.

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Speaker 5: The night shots frang out in a New York nightclub

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Speaker 5: and three people are shot. He and Diddy ended up

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Speaker 5: on trial in two thousand and one, but only one

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Speaker 5: of them is convicted and sent to jail, and it

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Speaker 5: is in Diddy.

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Speaker 3: So Caleb Brantley, Daily Mail, hasn't Lopez been through enough?

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Speaker 3: And now she's got to worry about being called as

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Speaker 3: a witness because of Sean Coulms.

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Speaker 1: Hasn't this woman been through enough?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 7: Her dating history is something completely you know, separate, but

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Speaker 7: she called it the greatest love story never told. Her

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Speaker 7: story was been.

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Speaker 3: Out datum, fine, marry him, No, she doesn't marry the

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Speaker 3: next one that happens to go by.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's a whole another program.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Nancy Grace signing off, Goodbye friend,