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Speaker 2: Oh a lot, Oh my god. All right, it's Sunday.
Speaker 2: We got a lot to break down. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of moving parts. Today. We got Aaron Rodgers has become
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan with the Wizards, among other things. I want
Speaker 2: to start with a game. I thought it was the
Speaker 2: lack of the year, San Francisco by a touchdown over Tampa.
Speaker 2: San Francisco beats Tampa twenty three to twenty. At one point,
Speaker 2: I was rooting for Baker Mayfield. He was playing so
Speaker 2: hard they're grabbing his face. I mean, he the kid
Speaker 2: was just and the Niners special teams are so bad.
Speaker 2: I think it cost him total sixteen points today I
Speaker 2: could be missing and Brock Purtty had a wonderful last drive.
Speaker 2: But this game wasn't close. I was just looking at
Speaker 2: total yards. San Francisco had double average, the almost double
Speaker 2: per yards per play. Brock Purty was twenty five to
Speaker 2: thirty six, three hundred and fifty three yards two touchdowns.
Speaker 2: The fact it was close to me is an indictment
Speaker 2: on Shanahan. These special teams now are in the running
Speaker 2: for the worst in the league. And you're a you
Speaker 2: know the Niners as well as anybody. What did you
Speaker 2: make of that mess?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think it's an overall embarrassment. And you
Speaker 1: know Deebo gets into it with a long snapper when
Speaker 1: he just tells the guys to lock in, like I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: the long snapper and the kicker are like that. The uh.
Speaker 1: To me, they are in theory should be the most irrelevant,
Speaker 1: never should be heard of or guy in the company.
Speaker 1: And yet with the forty nine Ers, their special teams
Speaker 1: unit always somehow overshadows the offense and the defense. And
Speaker 1: to me, it's on the head coach, like he does
Speaker 1: not care about special teams, which most people don't. Right,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna go to the driving range, usually don't
Speaker 1: spend any time putting, but you probably should, but no
Speaker 1: one ever does. Just like every head think about McVeigh,
Speaker 1: Lafleur and Kyle, the three top young offensive guys, all
Speaker 1: their special teams usually are pretty bad. Yeah, why because
Speaker 1: they do not care? Who are the two old guys
Speaker 1: Andy and Belichick. What did they always take really seriously
Speaker 1: special teams because in this this is not college where
Speaker 1: if your team is so good, it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 1: All these games, the majority of them unless you're the Jets,
Speaker 1: are close and today to miss the field goals. If
Speaker 1: the guy's not healthy, he rolls his ankle, he can't
Speaker 1: be out there kicking field goals. Colin, Now, I understand
Speaker 1: you draft him in the third round. You're not gonna
Speaker 1: cut him, but like, that's a pretty big injury for
Speaker 1: a kicker. Yeah, high ankle sprain. I clearly he was
Speaker 1: not ready. It wasn't even close. They got very lucky
Speaker 1: that he made that game winning field goal. I also
Speaker 1: think there's a coach, Liam Cohen, the offensive coordinator for
Speaker 1: the I hear all these names. That guy should be
Speaker 1: on everyone's interview list because for that I thought them
Speaker 1: and the Chiefs were both the Broncos and the Niners
Speaker 1: a day coming off that Monday night game. Both teams
Speaker 1: exhausted Tampa through you know, all their chips in the
Speaker 1: middle of the table in that game. The Chiefs are
Speaker 1: just exhausted. Whatever home game against the Broncos.
Speaker 3: That both would really be flat. The Chiefs kind of
Speaker 3: were what we expected. Oh yeah, the Bucks were fighting
Speaker 3: their ass off. I mean, how well Baker's played. He's
Speaker 3: dramatically better than he was last year, and he was
Speaker 3: good last year. So I just think the forty nine
Speaker 3: or special teams is a reflection of their head coach
Speaker 3: who does not care. It'd be like it'd be like
Speaker 3: if we had audio issues right all over the volume, Like.
Speaker 1: Eventually it's like, wouldn't that be kind of on you? Like, Okay,
Speaker 1: it happens whatever. But Colin he does not care, and
Speaker 1: it's every single week now. Their special teams are killing them.
Speaker 2: I also thought about something because brock Prudy in the
Speaker 2: fourth was fantastic. Ten of fourteen, a touchdown over one
Speaker 2: hundred yards. Brock Brock kind of saved him, played really
Speaker 2: really well down the stretch. But Ricky Piersall had a
Speaker 2: game today and my takeaway was, I don't know how
Speaker 2: great he'll be, but with all the I mean, George
Speaker 2: Kittle that play in the back of the end zone, God,
Speaker 2: George is great.
Speaker 1: How has he been this cela every week for them?
Speaker 2: I mean he's like old Gronk Whenever you doubt him.
Speaker 2: I mean, Travis Kelsey, same thing. But the Brandon Ayuk
Speaker 2: signing now, is that what they miss? Ricky Piersoll's here,
Speaker 2: Kittle's still an elite tight end. Christian McCaffrey back. You know,
Speaker 2: he wasn't great today. I just thought they averaged six
Speaker 2: point eight yards per play. Tampa averaged three point seven
Speaker 2: yards per play. How it's close is remark And when
Speaker 2: I would tell you.
Speaker 1: Penalty penalties took. I mean they had so many defensive penalties,
Speaker 1: hands of the face, face mass that were just killers.
Speaker 1: Collin on third down that gave them life.
Speaker 2: It's I know Kyle Shamahan is a good coach, but
Speaker 2: I do feel like this organization leaks a lot of
Speaker 2: oil and we don't call them out a lot because
Speaker 2: they mostly went. I mean, wasn't this the first time
Speaker 2: they'd won back to back games all season?
Speaker 1: I mean it has to be. I mean, they're five
Speaker 1: and four to me coming off of bye with a
Speaker 1: team that is running on fumes, that just played in
Speaker 1: an overtime game on the road on Monday night. Whose
Speaker 1: best players, I mean, their best player on the team
Speaker 1: is on the sideline with a hamstring issue. I would
Speaker 1: say one of their other top five players, shattered his ankle,
Speaker 1: they have no wide receivers, and for this game to
Speaker 1: be close, it was really pretty embarrassing, you know. And
Speaker 1: this is a game that I would say the last
Speaker 1: three years, coming off of bye, the forty nine ers
Speaker 1: getting healthy. I think they win by twenty plus points.
Speaker 1: I mean I expected this to be like thirty five
Speaker 1: to fifteen, say something like that, I thought. And the
Speaker 1: kicker situation, I think it was very reflective the kicker
Speaker 1: and then the long snapper getting in with Debos like, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: Debos made huge plays in this game. Let's just keep
Speaker 1: our mouth shutt and try to make a field goal
Speaker 1: like you're not in the position, be over there yapping
Speaker 1: around like you are losing this team games right now,
Speaker 1: or putting them in position. Because if they would have
Speaker 1: lost today with Arizona, I mean just absolutely mauling, they
Speaker 1: would have been in major trouble. Right, they would have
Speaker 1: been four and five. You have the Cardinals now at
Speaker 1: six and four, who look like, I don't know, playing
Speaker 1: as well as top five team in the NFL in
Speaker 1: terms of the way they're playing today.
Speaker 2: Right, and the Rams are now healthy.
Speaker 1: Are getting healthy. Yeah, So it would have this, This
Speaker 1: was must win for the forty nine ers. They get
Speaker 1: Seattle next week, who they've owned, but they do not
Speaker 1: feel anywhere near the team that was a legit Super
Speaker 1: Bowl threat. These last years they got issues. And it's
Speaker 1: not Kittle, and it's not you know, Party's playing well.
Speaker 1: It's not Trent Williams. It's all these weird bosses playing well.
Speaker 1: Fred's playing well. But for some reason, they dominate teams
Speaker 1: and you look up, You're like, it's thirteen to ten.
Speaker 1: What the hell's going on?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the numbers are incredible. Okay, Steelers beat Washington twenty eight,
Speaker 2: twenty seven. So I went today and I said, and
Speaker 2: I watched Russell. So the Steelers are three and zero
Speaker 2: with Russell Wilson averaging about thirty a game. It's the
Speaker 2: first time in several years they have the offense moving.
Speaker 2: And I went back and I took Russell Wilson with
Speaker 2: Pete Carolyn, Seattle, Russell Wilson the one year with Sean Payton,
Speaker 2: and Russell Wilson with Mike Tomlin, the three times he's
Speaker 2: had competent coaches, and you know what he gives you.
Speaker 2: He moves sixty four percent completion percentage a passer rating
Speaker 2: over one hundred. He doesn't miss any starts. He's not
Speaker 2: great from the pocket, but he throws a really nice
Speaker 2: deep ball. And when I watch what he's done to
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh he has brought it's a little big Ben. He's
Speaker 2: a totally different player. He's brought the deep ball back
Speaker 2: to the Steelers. So now you have veteran just say
Speaker 2: it out loud, veteran coach. Great defense, tough at home,
Speaker 2: solid run game, good deep ball offense. That's pretty good
Speaker 2: football team. That's pretty good team.
Speaker 1: Yeah. To me, that stat that they show that they
Speaker 1: were averaging twenty points with fields and their averaging over
Speaker 1: thirty points with him, I mean, that's a pretty big difference.
Speaker 1: That's a pretty much And what do they get a
Speaker 1: game winning touchdown on the deep ball throw to Mike Williams? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what do what are their three best wide receivers now
Speaker 1: adding Mike Williams with pickens and their tight end big guys,
Speaker 1: throw them up, give them fifty to fifty balls, because
Speaker 1: they're not fifty to fifty balls with those guys right there,
Speaker 1: seventy five to twenty five balls with those guys. So
Speaker 1: I thought at times a day like this where you
Speaker 1: gotta be careful about writing your takes down at halftime,
Speaker 1: Like the gap Jayden looked way better. Their offense was rolling.
Speaker 1: But Russell there is something to be said. I think
Speaker 1: he can be kind of corny and kind of just
Speaker 1: stupid the way that he comes off like a politician
Speaker 1: at times. But he is very steady Eddy. You know,
Speaker 1: he doesn't go into the tank when it looks just
Speaker 1: looked off early. And the Fields he also can make
Speaker 1: the throw that that lob touch throw that won them
Speaker 1: the game that a handful of bet the average to
Speaker 1: blow average quarterbacks can't make. It was a problem with
Speaker 1: Trubisky forever. You know, Fields is a more talented Trubisky,
Speaker 1: but cannot make that layered kind of lollipop throw. And
Speaker 1: at this point in time, that is Russell's go to throw.
Speaker 1: And even back when he was better, Win did his
Speaker 1: game like when he got DK metcalf. So you give
Speaker 1: him these big targets. Sutton like they had some plays
Speaker 1: at Denver, right, throw it up, let them go make
Speaker 1: a play. That was a big win for Pittsburgh. Collin
Speaker 1: because I thought I was thoroughly impressed with Washington. I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a great win, and then Russell
Speaker 1: drives him right down the field. Even calmness, there is
Speaker 1: something to be said on that game winning drive that
Speaker 1: he led them on. When those guys look at him
Speaker 1: in the huddle like this ain't his first rodeo. That's right,
Speaker 1: Say what you want about him. He's not near the
Speaker 1: same guy. But like you look at him in the huddle,
Speaker 1: you go, this guy has been in this moment, you know,
Speaker 1: fifty plus times in his career on Sunday night football
Speaker 1: and Monday night football in the playoffs. So it's he did.
Speaker 1: There's a calmness to him that you can't really dispute.
Speaker 1: I'm not the biggest fan, but there's the numbers speak
Speaker 1: for themselves. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean again, with Russell, Pittsburgh dominated time of possession
Speaker 2: because again.
Speaker 1: For the running game now is a lot better, it
Speaker 1: feels like with him in the game.
Speaker 2: And Washington had no run game. So again, the early
Speaker 2: highlights from the young player with a great offensive coordinator
Speaker 2: at half, I wrote down, Wow, Wow, Jaden makes Russell
Speaker 2: look small, and then all of a sudden, you look
Speaker 2: at the last three or four drives, Pittsburgh established his physicality,
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of teams defense plays well early,
Speaker 2: but those three hundreds, if the other team's running on
Speaker 2: you in Pittsburgh, was those three hundred pound guys seven
Speaker 2: play drive, nine play drive, ten play drive. Those guys
Speaker 2: don't have the same pass rush, And all of a
Speaker 2: sudden in the second half, that pass rush that had
Speaker 2: really stemied Pittsburgh in the first half, Now you're not
Speaker 2: getting the same juice, you're not getting the same energy.
Speaker 2: And in the end, I thought, I mean, it wasn't
Speaker 2: that Jaden was bad, but I mean it was you
Speaker 2: have one hundred and five.
Speaker 1: I don't think his numbers reflected I thought he was
Speaker 1: fantastic in the first half.
Speaker 2: I thought he was really good.
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, for a guy who throws these
Speaker 1: kind of frozen ropes, he hits his guys in stride
Speaker 1: and gives them the ability to keep on running. His
Speaker 1: touchdown the sideline is fantastic.
Speaker 2: End of the third quarter Terry McLaurin. He also does
Speaker 2: something that Russell has found Pickens that is his guy
Speaker 2: at Jayden Daniels. Terry McLaurin, like, it's really important. It
Speaker 2: didn't take Jalen or Russell long to figure out you
Speaker 2: gotta have a guy.
Speaker 1: Well, and I'm sure we'll get to the Bears. One
Speaker 1: thing that can't be argued, and you see this in
Speaker 1: that game, for your star wide receivers to believe in
Speaker 1: your quarterback. And like the guy like George Pickens clearly
Speaker 1: is on board with this move. Why then it fits him.
Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin, who has you know, overachieved given who he's
Speaker 1: played with for the last couple of years, feels like
Speaker 1: he's you know, hit the lottery right now. And you
Speaker 1: can see it in his play, just how much he smiles.
Speaker 1: I saw it the forty nine Ers forever. They didn't
Speaker 1: believe in Trey Lance, Deebo Samuel though. Those guys didn't
Speaker 1: like they didn't think he was good enough, right so,
Speaker 1: and I think you're seeing it in Chicago. Some of
Speaker 1: these guys, starting with DJ mor A, kind of turned
Speaker 1: on him and it's very reflective. Like clearly the Steelers,
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is true. You'd have to
Speaker 1: see their heart. Monitor feel like they're playing a little
Speaker 1: harder on offense for Russell Wilson in Washington, it's an
Speaker 1: incredible story. I know they lost today, but how and
Speaker 1: they're playing the Eagles. They easily could lose again on Thursday,
Speaker 1: but man, what impressive year by dan Quinn and that
Speaker 1: that operation isn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they've lost. Washington's lost to the Ravens and
Speaker 2: the Steelers and the Bucks when the Bucks were healthy.
Speaker 2: So I kind of feel we're getting a little bit
Speaker 2: of a reality check. Washington's a little bit better story
Speaker 2: than they are a team. Yeah, coming into this game,
Speaker 2: I felt they were both good stories, the Russell Wilson
Speaker 2: story the Washington story. I think Pittsburgh's the better team.
Speaker 2: I mean, let's be honest about Pittsburgh too. They had
Speaker 2: that fake punt, didn't work and they fumbled at the one.
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh really did themselves no favors in this football game.
Speaker 2: So whereas Washington got, you know, it took advantage of
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh's special teams blunder. And that's not to say it
Speaker 2: was a lucky win by Pittsburgh or to you know,
Speaker 2: marginalize what Washington is. But I do feel like once
Speaker 2: you look at Washington against Baltimore, Pittsburgh and the healthy Bucks,
Speaker 2: they're a great story. They're a good football team. They're
Speaker 2: a good football team. I think Pittsburgh going on the
Speaker 2: road today. My takeaway is if you just take out
Speaker 2: that fumble on the one yard line, it kind of
Speaker 2: felt like they controlled the clock, I mean, the dominating
Speaker 2: time of possession.
Speaker 1: Well, to me where it's huge as they play the
Speaker 1: Ravens this upcoming a week, so you win that game
Speaker 1: instead of having the same record as them with three losses,
Speaker 1: you have a game advantage on them, and that that
Speaker 1: little buffer. I mean today, same thing with Washington. Right clearly,
Speaker 1: the Eagles we're gonna meet, you know, dominate this under
Speaker 1: man cowboy team. Will you go into this Thursday night call,
Speaker 1: that's Thursday Night Football Commanders at the Philadelphia And that's
Speaker 1: a pretty big game. But I think, like what you're saying,
Speaker 1: I think most people, if we take a deep breath,
Speaker 1: go the Eagles should win that game. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: the Eagles are gonna be favoring that game and they
Speaker 1: probably will win that game. And that's if Washington ends
Speaker 1: up ten and seven or eleven and six. But with
Speaker 1: a lot of losses to these playoff teams, it's an
Speaker 1: incredible story. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And also Washington played their starters to the last snap.
Speaker 2: Philadelphia is resting guys in the second half.
Speaker 1: Keenny Picketts in like the of the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2: So I mean literally, Philadelphia's got their starters, are playing
Speaker 2: forty two snaps, Washington's played sixty five. So I think
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Speaker 2: of the games that were lobsided are actually great stories
Speaker 2: for us. So Arizona beat the Jets thirty one to six,
Speaker 2: and I'm looking at my I'm looking at Aaron Rodgers now,
Speaker 2: and when you put him on the same field as
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray, And we've been saying this now for several weeks.
Speaker 2: Arizona's got dudes offensively. How about McBride today that move
Speaker 2: running over Jets players. At one point, Kyler Murray had
Speaker 2: seventeen straight completions. So I have two takes. Number one
Speaker 2: is Aaron's become a little like the Washington Wizards. MJ
Speaker 2: called out a teammate, Kwame Brown. Mike Williams had a
Speaker 2: buddy as a coach, Hacket, Doug Collins had a buddy
Speaker 2: as a player, Lazard, Charles Oakley, under five hundred, and
Speaker 2: there were moments for MJ and Aaron, but he looks
Speaker 2: like an old man, and that Jets offense is an
Speaker 2: old man offense. So that's my first take. My second
Speaker 2: take is they blamed Robert Sala. This defense has gotten
Speaker 2: progressively worse. Sala was the best coach on the staff.
Speaker 2: They could have gone and they weren't going to beat Buffalo,
Speaker 2: but this organization, it's almost like in politics, if you
Speaker 2: lose an election, you have to identify what went wrong.
Speaker 2: You can't point fingers. You got to go quick, here's
Speaker 2: what we did wrong. Democrats will figure this out eventually,
Speaker 2: but that's the job. When you're losing. You have to
Speaker 2: identify why we're losing. The JETSA said, it's Sala, No bro.
Speaker 2: The defense now stinks and it's got good personnel. So
Speaker 2: I mean to me thirty one to six, I look
Speaker 2: at this. Kyler was Aaron Rodgers in the first half too,
Speaker 2: for forty yards. Now he got junk in the second half.
Speaker 2: But you know what it feels like a little bit.
Speaker 2: I do hold quarterbacks responsible for energy and body language,
Speaker 2: and because you know, it's like in the NBA, you
Speaker 2: follow the lead, the work ethic of the best player.
Speaker 2: Some of this is just on Aaron. I see no energy,
Speaker 2: I don't love the body language. I see no juice.
Speaker 2: And I'm watching that Arizona team. Those guys they like
Speaker 2: playing with Kyler. Whatever you say about the video game stuff,
Speaker 2: they like playing with them.
Speaker 1: Well, I think at this point in time, you know,
Speaker 1: there can't be that many players who are playing better
Speaker 1: than Kyler Murray right now since he returned from that injury,
Speaker 1: including last year. They are nine and nine like that.
Speaker 1: That's a real football team. Yeah, you know, and this team,
Speaker 1: I don't see how you watch them the day and
Speaker 1: last week they are dominating bad teams, like killing them.
Speaker 1: To me, they are. They sure look like a playoff
Speaker 1: team to me. And the Jets look like what I
Speaker 1: thought all along, a team full of mercenaries, a team
Speaker 1: with zero connection to each other. Hassan Reddicks since the
Speaker 1: moment he came back only because the owner ripped up
Speaker 1: his contract and did is I think Schefter said, no
Speaker 1: one has ever got a rework contract who held out
Speaker 1: as long as him and basically got the fines thrown away,
Speaker 1: that did not get a contract extension. It's unprecedented. What happened,
Speaker 1: and that reflects everything that's going on. They show Woody
Speaker 1: Johnson that the organization's a mess, starting from the owner
Speaker 1: the quarterback, like he is always what he's been, and
Speaker 1: anyone in the league will tell you listen for a
Speaker 1: long time. People with the Packers kind of rolled their eyes.
Speaker 1: But he was arguably, beside Peyton Manning and Tom Brady,
Speaker 1: the most important player one of them in the league.
Speaker 1: And he was more physically gifted than those guys, and
Speaker 1: his fundamentals weren't like those guys. So as he's aged
Speaker 1: what happens today. There was a play I forget the
Speaker 1: D lineman, he is a rotational D lineman. For him.
Speaker 1: I looked him up. He weighs almost three hundred pounds.
Speaker 1: He ran Aaron Rodgers down. Rogers ended up getting rid
Speaker 1: of the ball, but ran him down. With these that
Speaker 1: this is not a two hundred and forty pound linebacker
Speaker 1: running him down. This is a guy that weighs three
Speaker 1: hundred pounds and got within a couple steps. And Rogers
Speaker 1: used to be able to kind of do his version
Speaker 1: of like what Lamar does so well, kind of backwards
Speaker 1: scramble runaway. Can't even dream of doing that anymore. And
Speaker 1: that team, you know, the Cardinals defensive coordinator is thirty
Speaker 1: two years old. He was born in nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 1: What we witnessed today was a clinic put on by
Speaker 1: a guy born in nineteen ninety three against this forty
Speaker 1: year old future Hall of Famer Adam DeVante. Adams Garrett,
Speaker 1: I've been hearing about Breyce Hall's the greatest thing since
Speaker 1: Barry Sanders or Walter Payton. Give me a break. The
Speaker 1: hype on this team far exceeded the realities even if
Speaker 1: things went well. What happened today. Tyron Smith, who's had
Speaker 1: a bad year, legendary player, over the hill player, got
Speaker 1: hurt today. He gets hurt a lot. So it's like
Speaker 1: they were so dependent on all these guys they signed
Speaker 1: Mike Williams. Remember, everyone was so excited they signed by
Speaker 1: Willy's right, it's not even Thanksgiving. He's on another teams.
Speaker 1: So I just think this Jets situation was I think
Speaker 1: you saw an organization that just has a direction, has
Speaker 1: a coaching staff that's real, against a team that has
Speaker 1: an NBA mercenary feel to it. No one cares about.
Speaker 1: And like you said, the players aren't near what they
Speaker 1: once were. I mean DeVante Adams, who, let's face it
Speaker 1: is not near what he once was in the peak
Speaker 1: of his powers. Rogers a shell of himself. The Reddicks,
Speaker 1: I mean, they're How about Sauce Gardener. You know you've
Speaker 1: talked about Trey McBride. He looks like Kittle two point zero.
Speaker 1: He threw sauce Gardner off him like he was me
Speaker 1: or you. You know, he didn't even have to put his
Speaker 1: hand to go to the ground. He just kind of
Speaker 1: shoved him off. This is supposed to be one hundred
Speaker 1: million dollar corner. He's had a horrendous season. Well, what
Speaker 1: usually happens with younger players, Like younger people, most young
Speaker 1: people are followers, and when you have a lot of disconnect,
Speaker 1: coaches getting fired, a bunch of weird stuff, it's easy
Speaker 1: to kind of stray and breist hall sauce Gardener like,
Speaker 1: it just feels like they're all over the map. I
Speaker 1: don't even put it on them, I put it on
Speaker 1: the organization. You think sauce Gardner would look like that
Speaker 1: if he was playing for Andy Reid, No chance. But
Speaker 1: that's what happens when you put talented players in dysfunctional places.
Speaker 1: They usually fall apart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 1: The Jets stick calling. I mean, they are bad. They
Speaker 1: got We haven't talked since Thursday night. Game. Two of
Speaker 1: their touchdowns came with Garrett Wilson. He didn't use his
Speaker 1: left arm. I mean that's pretty big outlier, right, I
Speaker 1: mean that they easily could have lost that game if
Speaker 1: it wasn't for one of the greatest catches we've ever seen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, And the question becomes, does Aaron come back?
Speaker 2: It's when when Brett Farv went to the Jets, he
Speaker 2: had a lot left in the tank. He went on
Speaker 2: to Minnesota after that and had a couple of huge years.
Speaker 2: Aaron's done. He just there's just nothing there and he
Speaker 2: never he never had the gamesmanship or sort of the
Speaker 2: the fox whole quality of Brett Farv. Anyway, when you
Speaker 2: get to be an older radio host, an older quarterback,
Speaker 2: or an older CEO, you'll have diminishing skills, You'll have
Speaker 2: less energy. What you want to do is be able
Speaker 2: to kind of galvanize the group, rally people around you
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Speaker 2: I want to talk about another game. Let's go back
Speaker 2: to an interesting game. Kansas City beats Denver sixteen to fourteen,
Speaker 2: and I just i wrote what Kansas City has become
Speaker 2: is a great moments team. Two for two on fourth down,
Speaker 2: block to kick, great on third down, only three penalties.
Speaker 2: They're still trying to figure out what the hell they
Speaker 2: are a little bit offensively like they don't you know,
Speaker 2: they know.
Speaker 1: They're this Colin is just ugly. Just keep us in
Speaker 1: the game and we'll just try to win it with
Speaker 1: five minutes left.
Speaker 2: But when you have the best coach, the best quarterback,
Speaker 2: arguably the best defense, the best third down offense, that's enough.
Speaker 2: I was thinking about this about two weeks ago. About
Speaker 2: every six years, I went back and looked at it.
Speaker 2: But every six to seven years a great team wins
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. But mostly it's a really good team
Speaker 2: with no huge hole that coaches can pick on you.
Speaker 2: In a two week laft for the Super Bowl, when
Speaker 2: Mahomes didn't have both tackles, he gets routed. If he
Speaker 2: had one, it would have been a game. Kansas City
Speaker 2: is not terrible at anything. They're beat up. They're trying
Speaker 2: to figure out their receiving corps. But because Mahomes is
Speaker 2: so good and Andy Reid is so clever, it's functional.
Speaker 2: It makes plays when you have to. I thought this
Speaker 2: was the game. This was the game I did not
Speaker 2: pick in Blazing five. It was my last pick. I
Speaker 2: thought Denver had a chance to win today. Same but
Speaker 2: the takeaway I had beyond Kansas City doing that Bonnicks
Speaker 2: That final drive thirteen plays a little bit like brock Purty.
Speaker 2: You're like, I mean he had eight different receivers today,
Speaker 2: twenty two to thirty, two hundred and forty five yards,
Speaker 2: a couple of touchdowns, great final drive. I think all
Speaker 2: those college starts, like, I think he may have a
Speaker 2: lower ceiling. But I think Denver is eight five drafted
Speaker 2: players away and maybe a free agent signing from being
Speaker 2: a pain in the ass to people. I think I
Speaker 2: think Denver's pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought this game was way more about Denver
Speaker 1: than Kansas City. I mean, Kansas City just does this
Speaker 1: every week. They're going to go fift you know, fifteen
Speaker 1: and two or sixteen and one, and everyone's going to go.
Speaker 1: How the hell they do it? Well they do it
Speaker 1: because like you said, it's the organizational competitive character that
Speaker 1: they're no how their experience. I mean, they're missing they
Speaker 1: the best receiver who towards ACL they're starting running back
Speaker 1: like Kareem Hunt's been an awesome story. There's a big
Speaker 1: drop off between the Taco and him, huge, So I mean,
Speaker 1: you get him back hopefully in December. It's a broken leg,
Speaker 1: so you know that that'll be a big boost for
Speaker 1: them because they're gonna win like this right twenty one
Speaker 1: to seventeen twenty. But to me, Denver went in there
Speaker 1: as they should have short week, Kansas City, a little, gas,
Speaker 1: a little and they came in ready to win and
Speaker 1: bo Nicks hit sudden on the on the beautiful touchdown pass.
Speaker 1: You're like, there's gonna be the game. I thought, like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's finally the Chiefs just lose twenty eight
Speaker 1: to fifteen or something, and they just find a way
Speaker 1: because defensively they're good. Obviously the home crowd is pretty special.
Speaker 1: But I think Denver this was probably one of their
Speaker 1: more impressive weeks of the year, even counting their wins,
Speaker 1: just because like, well, off to see how it breaks
Speaker 1: out like that. That's seven seed. When you look like,
Speaker 1: obviously the Jets are done, Cults are in major trouble.
Speaker 1: You know, when you look at the AFC playoff, the
Speaker 1: Bengals are screwed. You basically have the Steelers and Ravens.
Speaker 1: You know, one team's gonna win division. One team's gonna
Speaker 1: be in. Steelers charge the Chiefs and the Chargers are in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Steelers.
Speaker 1: I think Denver could get the seven seed.
Speaker 2: Colin so do I I think the top is very
Speaker 2: good Buffalo, Baltimore, Kansas City, and then I think the
Speaker 2: wild card feels like do.
Speaker 1: You throw Pittsburgh in there too? Though I would do.
Speaker 2: I think let's say Pittsburgh become.
Speaker 1: We'll find out when they play each other this week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Baltimore at their best is better than Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: at their best.
Speaker 1: Agreed.
Speaker 2: So I think this the wild card teams and they
Speaker 2: don't feel quite as good. Chargers not a ton of
Speaker 2: juice offensively, but a good team Denver rookie quarterback and Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2: You have some limitations, I think on you know, I
Speaker 2: think Russell from the pocket, there's limitations if he was
Speaker 2: trailing in a game, and he put big heat on him.
Speaker 2: But I will say with Denver, I mean Mahomes last
Speaker 2: two games, no picks, first seven games, nine picks. So
Speaker 2: what Kansas City has basically done, They've gotten those ugly
Speaker 2: Remember the start of the year were like Jesus, Mahomes
Speaker 2: has like one or two just horrible pick. They've gotten
Speaker 2: out of that space. The win for Kansas City is
Speaker 2: harder than you think because of the short week. But
Speaker 2: I think to your point, I think you looked at
Speaker 2: Sean Payton and bow Nicks and I think we could
Speaker 2: both say he found his Drew Brees. He found his guy.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's as good as him, but
Speaker 2: he found his guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean he's he's definitely made strides. Because
Speaker 1: it was early. I think I didn't put as much
Speaker 1: stock into some of the early games in the fourth
Speaker 1: quarter when he played well, because it's like I don't
Speaker 1: the context of that the defense gave up. But I
Speaker 1: do think the last couple of weeks you feel a
Speaker 1: lot better about it. And let's face it, like there
Speaker 1: are some rookie quarterbacks playing and obviously Jayden and Daniels,
Speaker 1: it couldn't have gotten much better. It's one of the
Speaker 1: great Like, I mean, we saw one of the greatest
Speaker 1: rookie seasons of all time last year with CJ. Stroud.
Speaker 1: I would put Jayden Daniels right there, toe to toe
Speaker 1: of like, geez, it can't be this good, can it.
Speaker 1: And then you have like Drake May who's on a
Speaker 1: team that's so shitty. We don't but you're watching me
Speaker 1: go there's something there. Oh yeah, I would take that guy.
Speaker 1: And then you watch bo who doesn't have Drake's physical characteristics,
Speaker 1: who's not as talented. Why one guy goes three the
Speaker 1: other guy most people thought was overdrafted. But you go
Speaker 1: with this coach with this infrastructure, their defense. I mean
Speaker 1: that's the one thing. Like if Sean Payton's has a
Speaker 1: defense as he did in New Orleans with Drew Brees,
Speaker 1: they were elite, right, So if you just give it defense,
Speaker 1: like he'll figure out the offense. Most teams are not
Speaker 1: Kansas City to me, I think they get to nine
Speaker 1: wins and they would be the seventh seed. Now the
Speaker 1: difference though, is, you know, depending on who they play. Right,
Speaker 1: if you're the seven seed, you're playing the two seeds,
Speaker 1: So you're playing Baltimore or Buffalo, Like, no one's betting
Speaker 1: on Denver. I would say, no one's gonna want to
Speaker 1: see the Chargers as the sixth seeds. Like if you're
Speaker 1: Baltimore Pittsburgh, that will be a team that like, wait,
Speaker 1: they're a five point underdog, like who I think Harball
Speaker 1: would be a team that people would believe in. Or Denver,
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with it. One and done team in
Speaker 1: the playoffs probably like the Commanders, and you tip your
Speaker 1: hat to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you look at their schedule, John Denver now
Speaker 2: hosts the Falcons Dome team cold Weather, then they get
Speaker 2: they face the Raiders, then they face the Browns at home,
Speaker 2: then they get the Colts at home, and then they
Speaker 2: go to the Chargers. I think they match up. It's
Speaker 2: very close. So to your point, here is the you know,
Speaker 2: preseason we're like, oh, you know, you look at some
Speaker 2: of these teams. Then the Broncos end with the Bengals,
Speaker 2: and by the way, they host the Chiefs in the
Speaker 2: last week eighteen, Kansas City could be resting guys. At
Speaker 2: that point, they could be just.
Speaker 1: Why and I'm looking at it right now. Technically at
Speaker 1: five and five, they are in the seventh spot. Trailed
Speaker 1: by Indianapolis, who, let's face it, I don't blame them.
Speaker 1: I think they did the right thing. But the Flacco
Speaker 1: Anthony Richards things all out of whack. Now. Flacco looks terrible, terrible,
Speaker 1: and the Bengals, who have this quarterback who's can't play
Speaker 1: any better, and Jamar Chase, who looks like Jerry Rice
Speaker 1: in his prime, cannot win games. So you know, you
Speaker 1: don't feel very and just because of the division they're in,
Speaker 1: it's just a lot harder when you got to play
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh in Baltimore right then, they don't get the Raiders
Speaker 1: even Cleveland now throwing in Jamis as a real team
Speaker 1: with real players. I would much rather play the Raiders
Speaker 1: in the Browns. So I like that. That was a
Speaker 1: pretty devastating loss for the Bengals the other night. And
Speaker 1: that could be the difference why Denver gets the seventh
Speaker 1: seed and the Bengals end up eight to nine. I mean,
Speaker 1: it could just be the different one teams nine and eight,
Speaker 1: the other team's eight, and it's that big of a difference.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think Denver schedule right now looks very formidable. Okay,
Speaker 2: let's talk a game that wasn't nearly as captivating, but
Speaker 2: it made a statement. New England nineteen Chicago three twenty
Speaker 2: one straight drives for the Bears, without a touchdown, third
Speaker 2: straight game, no offensive identity, Caleb under fifty four percent
Speaker 2: completion rate, third straight game. He's lost one for fourteen
Speaker 2: on third down. Pitiful at Drake May again, seven different targets.
Speaker 2: They didn't ask him to do much. You know, they
Speaker 2: averaged five and a half yards of play with with
Speaker 2: without you know, much to work with. But I think
Speaker 2: the story here is, and I've said this, poorly coached teams.
Speaker 2: Brandon Staley last year start the year. Remember that, Brandon,
Speaker 2: I think it was last year. They start, They almost
Speaker 2: beat Miami to start to wild crazy game, and then
Speaker 2: about week six you're like, man, they're not well coached.
Speaker 2: And then by like week twelve, the players have quit.
Speaker 2: A poorly run business can fool people three or four
Speaker 2: five weeks. I mean that Tennessee win. I mean they
Speaker 2: were out played by the Titans at home in week one.
Speaker 2: It was a Will Levis mistake or that's an l
Speaker 2: I think what you look at this team now is
Speaker 2: you look at a poorly coach team. There's a lack
Speaker 2: of belief. There's absolutely no identity. Offensively, they average two
Speaker 2: point four yards of play. Ryan Poles said last week,
Speaker 2: we're not making coaching changes. This is not Jacksonville. Chicago
Speaker 2: is a loud media. Do you fire Matt Eberflus during
Speaker 2: the season.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's a decent chance by the
Speaker 1: time you know, we wake up or before lunch on Monday,
Speaker 1: he's relieved of his duties. You can't go back to
Speaker 1: back games like they have just had when they were
Speaker 1: a play away from looking like is this team about
Speaker 1: to win ten or eleven games? And it now feels
Speaker 1: like if I told you they win one more game
Speaker 1: the rest of the season. We've talked about their schedule.
Speaker 1: They're in shambles. They're coaching staff's in embarrassment right now,
Speaker 1: and it's going to get absolutely destroyed by every fan,
Speaker 1: and rightfully so. But I also think that, like Ryan Poles,
Speaker 1: bears responsibility. He drafted Roma Dunza, who we all like.
Speaker 1: Their offensive line is pitiful and there were countless offensive
Speaker 1: linemen on the board at pick nine that would have
Speaker 1: Who's Jim Harbaugh take? He takes an offensive lineman where
Speaker 1: it's like take a receiver. He's like, no, who would
Speaker 1: Andy Reid have taken in that spot? He would have
Speaker 1: taken a guard or a tackle because you have to
Speaker 1: protect that guy. And they took a wide receiver when
Speaker 1: they already got multiple wide receivers. And let's face it,
Speaker 1: they got a problem on their hands because Dj Moore,
Speaker 1: who for like a five straight year stretch, Everyone in
Speaker 1: the NFL is like, listen, I don't know this guy.
Speaker 1: Doesn't matter what quarterback he's playing with. This guy's a stud.
Speaker 1: People liked him, who's high character. He does not like
Speaker 1: Caleb like they have an issue, that they have an issue,
Speaker 1: and they just extended him. Now obviously it's not like
Speaker 1: if you have to pick one or the other. They
Speaker 1: have no choice. They're all in on Caleb Williams. But
Speaker 1: that is a problem for them. And I saw this
Speaker 1: with the forty nine ers. And I'm not comparing Caleb
Speaker 1: to Trey Lance. He's obviously much better player. But they
Speaker 1: never believed in Trey Lance, not the coaching staff, not
Speaker 1: the front office, the players. Why they wanted Jimmy, Why
Speaker 1: they had no problem going to Purdy because they see
Speaker 1: every day in practice. I think we were talking before
Speaker 1: you jumped on about like I think Nick Wright had
Speaker 1: a take about like just go with Trey Lance right now,
Speaker 1: because maybe you get something and best case he just
Speaker 1: sucks and you lose. You know why you can't do
Speaker 1: that because Micah Parsons and Ceedee Lamb would be like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck are we doing? Right? Because they see
Speaker 1: practice and I think you have this Caleb William situation.
Speaker 1: Everyone's going to point to Shane Waldron, who actually I
Speaker 1: always kind of liked, but clearly this is not going
Speaker 1: well for him, and eber flus Over said is gonna
Speaker 1: get fired. But there are plays to be made for
Speaker 1: Caleb and he doesn't look remotely close. Like even if
Speaker 1: you are a Caleb supporter, which I with you, like
Speaker 1: most people, I would have drafted them number one overall.
Speaker 1: But like the draft happened. Now we're ten games in.
Speaker 1: There are plays. It's not all his fault, but I
Speaker 1: think we also have to acknowledge like Drake May plays
Speaker 1: in an organization that's in Tron. His the former head
Speaker 1: coach who's one of the most legendary sports figures of
Speaker 1: all times, ripping drowed mail. Like three weeks ago, everyone's
Speaker 1: ripping the owner the coaching staff's more than questionable. There's
Speaker 1: not that much talent. You watch Drake mayor're like, God,
Speaker 1: he was the best quarterback by a wide margin on
Speaker 1: the field, no question. And the other thing Colin is like,
Speaker 1: let's use Jared Goff as an example. Remember that rookie season.
Speaker 1: It felt like is this guy, this guy even an
Speaker 1: NFL player? But the one thing you knew Jared Goff
Speaker 1: could do in college was like he was a pocket quarterback.
Speaker 1: So he's never gonna have to run. He's a pocket.
Speaker 1: If you could protect him, he could play in the pocket.
Speaker 1: There is just a question with Caleb like can he
Speaker 1: play within the pocket? That was a question coming out,
Speaker 1: like it's not something he's comfortable doing. You don't just
Speaker 1: get to freelance all the time in the NFL, so
Speaker 1: it's like one, two three, get rid of the ball now.
Speaker 1: Our receivers not getting open all the time. Obviously some plays,
Speaker 1: But I do think there's a legit question of like
Speaker 1: what offense to make this guy successful? Like I watched
Speaker 1: Drake may It's like, I think that guy could fit
Speaker 1: in a lot of offenses. Yeah, you know, I thought Jayden
Speaker 1: was like I think he's gonna have to play in
Speaker 1: like mor of a Lamar style. I'm watching like, well,
Speaker 1: what Lamar is now? What Lamar was when he was
Speaker 1: really young? Yeah, the version now? And you watch Jayden
Speaker 1: right now, it's like this guy's awesome in the pocket.
Speaker 1: So I just think the question marks on Caleb that
Speaker 1: you look at this job like this sab like Mike Vrabel, like,
Speaker 1: I'm not looking for Caleb to throw forty touchdowns anymore.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's not his game. Let's just kind of go
Speaker 1: what Pete Carroll did in thirteen and fourteen, like, Hey,
Speaker 1: we're gonna run the ball, We're gonna have a tough defense.
Speaker 1: You're gonna play within my system. That's what We're taking
Speaker 1: the cooking utensils away from your hands.
Speaker 2: That's what Philadelphia has done with Jalen Hurts. Jalen Hurts
Speaker 2: today is throwing twenty four times and it's very effective.
Speaker 2: He throws a good deep ball. They're not letting Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 2: And by the way, outside of a Mahomes or a
Speaker 2: Josh Allen, I don't want my guys throwing forty two times.
Speaker 2: I don't want my offensive lineman backing up forty two
Speaker 2: I want him going forward forty two times. It's interesting because.
Speaker 1: Jalen's a little less hrky jerky, though Caleb, I think
Speaker 1: it's a little shorter. I think Jalen's a better runner,
Speaker 1: but little a little more quick twitch, and to me,
Speaker 1: his herky jerkiness throws everything off. And part of it's young.
Speaker 1: He's kind of seeing ghosts, but it's just I don't
Speaker 1: know if we've seen something this like this goes back
Speaker 1: to like Sam Darnold jets like this is a train
Speaker 1: Wrecklin offensively well.
Speaker 2: When he was coming out. I talked to every scout
Speaker 2: I could, and they all had the same concern. There
Speaker 2: were two concerns. Number one was accuracy. People said, I
Speaker 2: think we could clean it up, but he gets really
Speaker 2: erratic every game with USC. They're like, he gets real
Speaker 2: streaky and then he just has, you know, a Notre
Speaker 2: Dame game where it's just nothing works, you know, like
Speaker 2: for an entire half. The second thing they said is,
Speaker 2: you know, guys said, didn't love the fingernails, didn't love
Speaker 2: jumping into the crowd with mom. Really emotional. Doesn't mean
Speaker 2: he's a bad kid, but he's really emotional and really
Speaker 2: emotional players tend to be high and low, especially when
Speaker 2: they're young. So you're gonna have to deal with a
Speaker 2: very emotional kid with some accuracy issues. And it kind
Speaker 2: of goes back to my say it out loud, those
Speaker 2: aren't great highly emotional player accuracy issues. You know, bo
Speaker 2: Nix is very stoic. Accuracy is not an issue. It
Speaker 2: just sounds better.
Speaker 1: So it's Russell's defining characteristic. How just kind of just
Speaker 1: you know, fake optimistic. It feels like he's but it works.
Speaker 2: It works for him, and I think so. I think
Speaker 2: with Caleb he can be a bit moody. I remember
Speaker 2: the game at USC It was the I think it
Speaker 2: was year one with they went to Corvallis. He had
Speaker 2: a terrible first half. He got really moody on the sidelines.
Speaker 2: I think they came back to win that game, but
Speaker 2: it was the first time I thought, yeah, dude, you're
Speaker 2: on TV. This is a big TV game, Come on,
Speaker 2: get it together. And I think that was really I.
Speaker 1: Feel like he goes in the shell more now. He
Speaker 1: just like sits by himself on the bench, like that's guys,
Speaker 1: we got to work together and figure some stuff out.
Speaker 1: You can't isolate in this position.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that was a J. Cutler issue.
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Speaker 2: ineffective first half, four total turnover in the first half.
Speaker 2: I think we were just waiting for Philadelphia to take
Speaker 2: over in the third and they did. In the third quarter,
Speaker 2: the Eagles had one hundred and sixteen yards. The Cowboys
Speaker 2: had three, and again they didn't ask Jalen Hurst to
Speaker 2: do much. I'm looking at it right here. Fourteen for
Speaker 2: twenty two hundred two yards. A couple of touchdowns Trey
Speaker 2: Lance came in third quarter. This was a really predictable blowout.
Speaker 2: I watched Caroline and the Giants to start the day.
Speaker 2: I believe what I'm going to say is true that
Speaker 2: Dallas is the worst team in the NFL right now.
Speaker 2: I really believe that. I think they're the worst team
Speaker 2: in the NFL because at least the Giants have Daniel
Speaker 2: Jones and Brian Dable. They could engineer a good drive.
Speaker 2: I think the Cowboys have two excellent players, Micah Parsons
Speaker 2: and Ceedee Lamb. And I think Zach Martin was great.
Speaker 2: Now he's you know, he's a good player. I'll go
Speaker 2: back to something I said before the season. If I
Speaker 2: can identify this, how could the Cowboys not. It is
Speaker 2: the worst running back room in the league. It is
Speaker 2: maybe the thinnest wide receiver room in the league. The
Speaker 2: offensive line is in a rebuild, dak is hurt again,
Speaker 2: and their defensive players a couple of my like tend
Speaker 2: to be. It feels to me a little overhyped and
Speaker 2: a tad injury prone. I could spend a lot of
Speaker 2: time on Dallas. But on the other side, I looked
Speaker 2: at Philadelphia and I thought, I'm not a Sirianni fan,
Speaker 2: but they are playing formula football with that offense, and
Speaker 2: that formula with those players feels like it's working to me.
Speaker 1: That's why I picked him at the beginning of the
Speaker 1: year to win the division, just because the talent on
Speaker 1: the roster is just immense and the quarterback does not
Speaker 1: need to be what Joe Burrow's doing right now. They
Speaker 1: adding Saquon Barkley, who I would say is I mean
Speaker 1: him and Derrick Henry have been two of the great
Speaker 1: chief acquisitions in like the history of the NFL. But
Speaker 1: one thing that they look a lot better on, and
Speaker 1: this is why you pay a guy five million dollars.
Speaker 1: There was a scheme. I don't want to say disagreement,
Speaker 1: but it was just different from the players. They had
Speaker 1: to what VIC usually likes. So there is gonna be
Speaker 1: some time that it takes to get things figured out. Well,
Speaker 1: what's happening over the last month. Jalen Carter, the premium
Speaker 1: player in which they draft, has played a lot better.
Speaker 1: I'm watching today, na Kobe Dean making plays all over
Speaker 1: the place. Nolan Smith has come on. They have just
Speaker 1: some of these young players have just slowly made more
Speaker 1: plays the season goes on. Why Vick fanjo knows what
Speaker 1: he's doing now. He's an intense a lot different than
Speaker 1: what they had last year with the Patricia Deci situation.
Speaker 1: But they and listen, obviously they're playing the Cowboys today.
Speaker 1: But I would just say over the last month they
Speaker 1: have looked like a much more capable defense. Yeah, early
Speaker 1: on in the season, it was like, this is not possible.
Speaker 1: That's my question mark with Baltimore. You can't play that
Speaker 1: bad a defense and wins Bowl. It's not possible. I
Speaker 1: can't do it, especially in the conference in there in
Speaker 1: playing Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes and probably justin Herbert
Speaker 1: as well. But you watch the Eagles. If their defense
Speaker 1: is just solid when healthy AJ Brown, Devonte Smith, Dallas Goddard,
Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley, with Jalen passing and running ability, it just
Speaker 1: doesn't get any better in the NFL.
Speaker 2: Does Philadelphia? I watched them today as I was kind
Speaker 2: of disappointed in San Francisco. I think Philadelphia has the
Speaker 2: best roster in the league.
Speaker 1: I think offensively, definitely. I think offensively definitely. I think
Speaker 1: defensively they have players so young.
Speaker 2: Some of their best players are young.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think offensively, when Jalen's playing like he has
Speaker 1: the last month, there's no you can't even compare. And
Speaker 1: when the left tackle is healthy, their offensive line is excellent.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: They have a top I don't know, two or three
Speaker 1: running back. Yeah, they have a quarterback who's played like
Speaker 1: a top six to seven guy all season long. They
Speaker 1: have a high end tight end. They have elite two
Speaker 1: wide receivers, So listen. I know Kellen Moore takes a
Speaker 1: lot of shit. I followed his career since he was
Speaker 1: a player. I think he's a pretty bright guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean he was pretty good for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Nipick them all we want. I do think when you
Speaker 1: watch Dallas, you know NBA coaches talk about this a lot,
Speaker 1: like when you play a team and their star player
Speaker 1: goes down, like the day before you play him, your
Speaker 1: team just like, oh, Giannis is out, you don't take
Speaker 1: him serious. All of a sudden you lose. Like I
Speaker 1: thought that first half was the Eagles, Like how could
Speaker 1: they take the Cowboys too seriously? Once Dak rips his
Speaker 1: hamstring off the bone and they felt like they were
Speaker 1: sleepwalking through the game for about the first twenty five
Speaker 1: minutes and then they realize, okay, this is JV versus farsity.
Speaker 1: They flipped a switch and basically fifteen minutes they scored
Speaker 1: would felt like thirty points and it was over in
Speaker 1: a heartbeat. I also think Dallas, we talked about this
Speaker 1: last week was Zeke. They had to leave him at
Speaker 1: home because he was being late, and you know, for
Speaker 1: an older player who's supposed to be like a high
Speaker 1: level leader, and then today he's playing and he fumbles
Speaker 1: on the zone, like in what world? And this is
Speaker 1: you know, obviously Jerry doesn't want to cut him. You
Speaker 1: can't tell me, Mike McCarthy if he's willing to leave
Speaker 1: a veteran player who's clearly not on board, then would
Speaker 1: play him the next week. Why did you just cut
Speaker 1: a player like that? Like what's the point? And then
Speaker 1: look today he fumbles, it leads to a score. I
Speaker 1: just think the Cowboys are all out of whack from
Speaker 1: the hierarchy. And we talk about this all the time,
Speaker 1: the parallels with the you know that late Postgruden al Davis,
Speaker 1: where you have this owner who's also in charge of
Speaker 1: the personnel, who's just in charge of the money. And
Speaker 1: it just like the Eagles. You know, if a guy's
Speaker 1: on the field, you know who's in chart Howie the
Speaker 1: GM who works hand in hand with the coach. Right
Speaker 1: with the Niners, it's Kyle and John was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: why Zeke playing out? Jerry likes him? You know, I'm
Speaker 1: good right, Like what are we doing? Jerry's eighty two
Speaker 1: years old. Just this season clearly was gonna get away
Speaker 1: from him. But it's and now they're better off column
Speaker 1: because they're gonna have a new coach. You know, the
Speaker 1: Chargers won five games last year, which led to McConkey
Speaker 1: an alt So aren't you better off here? The Cowboys
Speaker 1: just losing all these games he's wrong to end up
Speaker 1: with the fourth pick, and then you could just revamp
Speaker 1: your roster.
Speaker 2: I think, listen, there's two games left, they have a
Speaker 2: chance to be favored. Carolina look pretty good today. That
Speaker 2: rookie receiver Cuba Hubbard.
Speaker 1: I think I take Carolina in that game if they
Speaker 1: played next week.
Speaker 2: Yep. I think Bryce Young. You know, at the end
Speaker 2: of last year, Bryce was okay in the last like
Speaker 2: four games. Bryce looked comfortable today. You know, I think
Speaker 2: we both like that coach Canalis. They brought in, like
Speaker 2: a smart guy. I think Carolina can move the ball.
Speaker 2: I think that wide receiver they picked early as a
Speaker 2: hit and he's a really.
Speaker 1: Really South Carolina guy. Yeah, Debo, yep, you can play.
Speaker 2: And now New York they probably win, But that schedule
Speaker 2: is it's El's and my take is where you want
Speaker 2: to get. So you're Giants will probably have the number
Speaker 2: one pick. New England's playing New England a real off,
Speaker 2: two more, three more wins. They're not going to be
Speaker 2: number one, and they don't need a quarterback. And I
Speaker 2: think Gered Mayo, now forget Brissette, Drake's their guy. Drake
Speaker 2: may They're gonna they're gonna this, This locker room is young.
Speaker 2: They're gonna fight their ass off to win games. Giants.
Speaker 1: I would I would buy some stock. Now we'll see
Speaker 1: if the coaching. Drake May is a pretty interesting player
Speaker 1: called Ye, he's he's hard to watch and go, there's
Speaker 1: something there well, a lot of coaches would want to
Speaker 1: work with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, his comp was justin Herbert. He was an unpolished
Speaker 2: justin Herbert. You can completely see it. You can absolutely
Speaker 2: see the movement, the size, the arm. He's just his
Speaker 2: feet aren't quite as good. I mean, Herbert looks like
Speaker 2: the league logo. He's got that perfect wide stance.
Speaker 1: Is how good does he look right now? Oh my god?
Speaker 2: God. But my takeaway here with Dallas is if Carolina
Speaker 2: plays well and they'll have something to play for here.
Speaker 2: I think they want to keep Bryce young and keep
Speaker 2: him healthy. I think the Cowboys could have the second
Speaker 2: to third pick in this draft. Again, if Chicago was worse,
Speaker 2: they got a quarterback, If New England was have a quarterback,
Speaker 2: you start getting into that three or four spot. Right now.
Speaker 2: They're a three win team. Let's say they finished with four.
Speaker 2: John somebody's going to move up for cam Ward. Somebody's
Speaker 2: moving up for him, and I think Dallas could get
Speaker 2: a couple seconds, a couple thirds, that's how you read.
Speaker 1: That's what Duah Houston, you know what I think makes
Speaker 1: it really hard for Dallas. Obviously, Mike McCarthy was in
Speaker 1: the last year of his deal, had to have success
Speaker 1: to keep his job. He's gonna get fired. But if
Speaker 1: you look at the resumes when they fired Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: and hired Mike mc Mike McCarthy was just a way
Speaker 1: better coach than Jason Garrett. Like, what are the chances
Speaker 1: that they are going to upgrade firing Mike McCarthy like
Speaker 1: his Belichick lined up to work with his eighty two
Speaker 1: year old GM owner. Probably not, even though their relationship
Speaker 1: and their roster has a lot of questions, Like, honestly,
Speaker 1: the only thing they're gonna have going for him because
Speaker 1: they always they never have cap space, is going to
Speaker 1: be their high draft picks in every round. But in
Speaker 1: terms of coaches lined up, like is this something Belichick
Speaker 1: and vrabel are interested in doing? Now? You have to
Speaker 1: look around, like Jacksonville's kind of a weird place. The
Speaker 1: Bears aren't as desirable if you question Caleb's ability, So
Speaker 1: I listen. You could just it's the NFL as the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: But I wonder if a lot of people are gonna
Speaker 1: be a little reluctant, and it's like, is Jerry just
Speaker 1: gonna give rabel or Belichick fifteen eighteen million dollars? Like
Speaker 1: give Spannos credit. He finally said, okay, Jim Harball, okay,
Speaker 1: and it worked.
Speaker 2: Let's look at the jobs that could be open. Okay,
Speaker 2: Jets is not a premier job. Impulsive owner, forty year old,
Speaker 2: prickly quarterback. I don't think Dallas is an elite job.
Speaker 2: You're tied to Dak Prescott. It's a very weak roster
Speaker 2: in a quickly improving NFC. Let's think of the other jobs.
Speaker 2: A Chicago, Jacksonville, Jacksonville, Chicago. You know Trevor Lawrence. It
Speaker 2: just I how many times does he want to go
Speaker 2: and rehab? I'm not, I'm not. I mean today it
Speaker 2: was Vikings twelve, Jag seven, Sam Darnold. They were zero
Speaker 2: for five in the red zone. That game could have
Speaker 2: been thirty to seven. Matt Jones can't play two picks
Speaker 2: one hundred yards. He can't play. So I mean that
Speaker 2: Jacksonville has quit. There's just nothing there. Their defense is
Speaker 2: pretty interesting, but they got nothing offensively. Jj MC.
Speaker 1: I think Trevor. I think Trevor Lawrence getting injured, and
Speaker 1: you know, I think I saw Jay Gruden said and
Speaker 1: he had worked there. He's like, I'd heard the guy
Speaker 1: needs surgery that could easily come out in the next
Speaker 1: couple days. That he goes under the knife, I think
Speaker 1: they would have been better off. It's like, you know what,
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence is just shitty and some coach. These coaches
Speaker 1: are arrogant, like I can fix this now. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: he's crappy and he's missing a ton of time with
Speaker 1: major injuries, and they just paid him Dak Prescott money.
Speaker 1: I'm out, Yeah, I can't because you can't get rid
Speaker 1: of the guy.
Speaker 2: What is the best job?
Speaker 1: None of them. They're all terrible. It's why these jobs
Speaker 1: are open. It's why the best teams never have job open.
Speaker 1: I would say Seattle was a pretty unique job opening,
Speaker 1: pretty level headed organization with talent, a good GM. Mike
Speaker 1: mcgaught like, that's a pretty rare job. But when you
Speaker 1: just look at jobs consistently, it's like the Packers five
Speaker 1: years ago, not the best job.
Speaker 2: The Packers five years ago. Matt Laflorida was the best
Speaker 2: job justin Herbert Chargers. Some can push back on the
Speaker 2: Spanos family, that was the second best job. See about
Speaker 2: every four years you get one great job opening. That's
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: And I think it turned out. And there's it's it's
Speaker 1: always easy to play Monday morning quarterback when we have
Speaker 1: information like you would have to invest, you know, all
Speaker 1: your money in Amazon fifteen years ago if we would
Speaker 1: have known, but people don't know. But I would say Washington.
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson has to lose some sleep occasionally knowing that
Speaker 1: he turned down a quarterback that like everyone with a
Speaker 1: straight face can go, this guy could be one of
Speaker 1: the best two or three quarterbacks in the league during
Speaker 1: his you know, the next ten years. Right, he has
Speaker 1: that ability. You don't turn down a job like that.
Speaker 1: And it's like Dan Snyder's no longer there, so you
Speaker 1: get an owner. Those basketball team's weird, but that's because
Speaker 1: of morgs into that stuff. It's like he's just a
Speaker 1: high level owner, pays money, will pay for people like
Speaker 1: clearly like that's a really really good job and that
Speaker 1: was only because the guy sold his team and gave
Speaker 1: the you know Adam Peters and Dan Quinn, like I
Speaker 1: think dan Quinn got pretty lucky looking back that Ben
Speaker 1: Johnson hung up on those guys when they were flying
Speaker 1: to him, because that's a game changer.
Speaker 2: But you know what, and this goes back to god
Speaker 2: every industry in the world. But when Washington got rid
Speaker 2: of everybody, I predicted Washington would make the playoffs because
Speaker 2: I like Adam Peter's history, I like dan Quinn, I
Speaker 2: like Cliff Kingsbury, I like Jayden Daniels. My take is,
Speaker 2: if everybody's new, it's okay. If everybody they replaced was awful,
Speaker 2: and they were, and you know, for Washington to turn
Speaker 2: it around quickly, and for Houston last year to turn
Speaker 2: it around quickly, I think it highlights john something about
Speaker 2: the NFL that I think fans don't think about like
Speaker 2: we do because we do this for a living. But
Speaker 2: we look at the NFL we think, okay, there's like
Speaker 2: five great quarterbacks and five pretty good ones. That's the
Speaker 2: same with owners, gms, and coaches, everything in the league
Speaker 2: across the board. Washington right now has a top three
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator. They may have one of the top gms,
Speaker 2: they have one of the better owners Dan Quinn's. I mean,
Speaker 2: look at Dallas's defensive numbers. Without it, Dan's one of
Speaker 2: the five best defensive coaches. Jayden Daniels. We could be
Speaker 2: looking at the best rookie quarterback in a decade. The
Speaker 2: reason Washington feels even different than Houston is because I
Speaker 2: think the owner in Washington's better than the owner of
Speaker 2: the McNair's in Houston. Is if you're if you know
Speaker 2: what you're doing in the NFL and you can align,
Speaker 2: you know, I've always had this rule. If you're an
Speaker 2: a even a minus at four things, owner GM, coach, quarterback,
Speaker 2: your super Bowl. Baltimore will be in the Super Bowl
Speaker 2: conversation every year. Harbaugh, Lamar, Steve Bushetti and their front office.
Speaker 2: It's just they're all really good, Kansas City great. The
Speaker 2: truth is Washington right now, they just hit. They hit
Speaker 2: on everything. Coach coordinator GM. It's it's not a fluke,
Speaker 2: they're not ready yet, but it's it. And it also highlights,
Speaker 2: God John, half of this league doesn't know what they're doing.
Speaker 1: I would, I would. I think you're low. I think
Speaker 1: it's closer to twenty. And it really crystallized when I
Speaker 1: went to the Combine and I'm lucky enough to you
Speaker 1: know know, Andy and Howie, and you just see these
Speaker 1: organizations like it's football. Shit's gonna go wrong. You never know,
Speaker 1: adversity's gonna hit, whether a guy gets in trouble, whether
Speaker 1: coach underachieves. But like the Ravens, the Steelers, the Eagles,
Speaker 1: Andy and the Chiefs, like the same teams, Kyle's this
Speaker 1: is the worst season of all time for Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 1: He's gonna end up at minimum ten and seven. You know. Well,
Speaker 1: so it's like McVeigh. Shit hits the fans like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be in the playoffs again.
Speaker 2: Look at this hardball comes in to a tire fire.
Speaker 2: Their defense is mostly the same. Their offense arguably is
Speaker 2: worse because Michael Williams and Keenan are gone. He's relying
Speaker 2: on a right tackle and a slot receiver that are rookies.
Speaker 2: The defense has gone from the worst in the league
Speaker 2: to top five. On coaching mintor Jesse Minter and Harpball
Speaker 2: like that tells you there are there are any one time,
Speaker 2: there are five coaches in this league who are coordinators.
Speaker 2: They have no I mean Jets have one right now,
Speaker 2: Chargers had one last year, they're just not head coaches.
Speaker 1: Well, it's November tenth, Colin, and they have the Chargers
Speaker 1: have more wins than they did in to twenty three.
Speaker 1: It's November tenth. I mean, we're still several weeks away
Speaker 1: from Thanksgiving and they they're gonna more than double their
Speaker 1: win total from last year. I also think, like look
Speaker 1: at Rogers and Davante, who were in first class relative
Speaker 1: to the NFL. It's like they were in first class
Speaker 1: and they were complaining the blanket wasn't quite soft enough.
Speaker 1: And then they went to the Raiders, they went to
Speaker 1: the Jets, and then DeVante for some reason, demands he
Speaker 1: goes to the Jets, like, do you guys know how
Speaker 1: good you had it? Do you guys know how good
Speaker 1: you had it in Green Bay? No matter who you are,
Speaker 1: And I've said this forever, like about what I do
Speaker 1: for a living, because people always ask, like you have
Speaker 1: the dream, eventually a job becomes work, right, Like, no
Speaker 1: matter what you do, whether you're a football player, whether you
Speaker 1: talk about football, whether you're an architect, But like when
Speaker 1: you like it, you do have to, like sometimes be
Speaker 1: able to take a step back and realize, Like some
Speaker 1: spots and some relationships, some partnerships like I don't want
Speaker 1: to screw this up. I have it pretty well, and
Speaker 1: even Belichick and Brady for a long time, but it heads.
Speaker 1: But I think for the most it took till Tom
Speaker 1: was they do to draw a line in the sand,
Speaker 1: which again, twenty plus years, those guys both started making
Speaker 1: a stink through like what what are we talking about? Guys,
Speaker 1: if they would have stayed, it wouldn't have been as good,
Speaker 1: but it would not. Their careers wouldn't have gone what
Speaker 1: they've experienced. And now Rogers' careers is gonna end with
Speaker 1: him playing for the Jets, like that's forever. The Packers
Speaker 1: make fun of the Bears, and they currently do. Why
Speaker 1: because we're well run. They're not. They have more money,
Speaker 1: they're in a way bigger market. Yet we're one of
Speaker 1: the premier organizations for thirty years when it comes to
Speaker 1: television ratings and making all this league a bunch of money.
Speaker 1: It's us, not them, because well we are have cohesion
Speaker 1: with our GM and our head coach and you know Baltimore,
Speaker 1: the Chiefs, all the I think you know, listen, we
Speaker 1: can nitpick Sean McDermott some of his late game decisions
Speaker 1: over the But it's he's pretty well established. He's a
Speaker 1: good coach, yeah right, and him and the GM working
Speaker 1: cohesion with their quarterback. They are a high level operation
Speaker 1: in Buffalo now, been for four or five years. And
Speaker 1: think that they're running circles around their division.
Speaker 2: Look at look at look at Sean Payton. They're in
Speaker 2: cap hell this year and next year. They don't have
Speaker 2: their full ammo of picks because of Russell. I mean,
Speaker 2: Sewan is coaching with a rookie quarterback. They have one
Speaker 2: elite receiver.
Speaker 1: When's the last time they had a first round pick?
Speaker 1: Beside Bonnick spent several years right because I traded them away.
Speaker 2: That is a story of coaching. I mean, Denver now
Speaker 2: is a viable team. It is just coaching and Harbaugh.
Speaker 2: It's they have better players and they have more well
Speaker 2: rounded roster than the Denver Broncos do. But for Harbaugh
Speaker 2: to walk in and Peyton to walk in. If you
Speaker 2: look at what Sean Payton is dealing with now, I mean,
Speaker 2: go look up what they're still paying Russell this year
Speaker 2: and next They don't have a full uh Arsenal of picks.
Speaker 2: It's a rookie quarterback. There is a freaking gap the
Speaker 2: Grand Canyon wide in coaching Cord and it just happens.
Speaker 2: So happens. The Jets have a D owner, probably a
Speaker 2: D head coach right now, a C play caller, and
Speaker 2: a quarterback. Frankly, who's a seed that nobody wants to acknowledge?
Speaker 1: Well, if you put Jim Harbond the Bears right now
Speaker 1: with Caleb Williams, assuming that's who he would have wanted,
Speaker 1: because I don't think there's any guarantee that's who he
Speaker 1: would have want. Maybe he would have liked Drake May.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't put it past them. You know who knows.
Speaker 1: But let's just say he got Caleb Williams in this roster.
Speaker 1: There's no doubt in my mind. There's a wildcard team,
Speaker 1: no doubt in my mind, right and they had the
Speaker 1: opportunity he played for him. But of course like, oh
Speaker 1: the Bears too cheap, they won't do that. And I
Speaker 1: was always really critical of the spanos is because it's like, guys,
Speaker 1: the paying a coach four or five million dollars in
Speaker 1: this modern day when you clearly have the money. This
Speaker 1: isn't twenty five years ago when some teams had a
Speaker 1: lot more. Every team's getting three four hundred million dollars.
Speaker 1: You have when you get the opportunity and this guy's
Speaker 1: you have to cut the check, and they finally did
Speaker 1: and they're paying Mentor is probably one of the highest
Speaker 1: paid defensive coordinators. Obviously, Jim makes fifteen plus million. That
Speaker 1: cool success like one of the reasons for twenty years
Speaker 1: basically since Marty. It's like, ah, they always left a
Speaker 1: little something to It was never their roster. I mean
Speaker 1: the Chargers went from Drew Brees to Philip Rivers to
Speaker 1: uh to Justin Herbert. That's not exactly far to Roger
Speaker 1: to Love, but it's not far off. And it's like, ah,
Speaker 1: they just no success really beside a couple of playoff wins.
Speaker 1: And now it feels like this team's gonna be a
Speaker 1: super Bowl contender for the next four or five years. Right,
Speaker 1: as long as they can keep that quarterback healthy, they'll
Speaker 1: improve their roster. Maybe they get a playoff victory this year,
Speaker 1: like some big upset in the first round. Watch out
Speaker 1: for the Chargers because they're coming in some of these teams,
Speaker 1: Like do you have any faith that the Bears will
Speaker 1: get the coaching higher, right, don't. No, they never.
Speaker 2: I mean, let's circle back to that. What is the
Speaker 2: best job available in the NFL right now? In fact,
Speaker 2: I'll grab my phone, I'll do this to the audience.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I want to look at the standings right now.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna say.
Speaker 1: Well, do you think the Giants the Giants coming open
Speaker 1: are probably not?
Speaker 2: No, because it's one quarter.
Speaker 1: I think that would be a good job.
Speaker 2: But I'm thinking right now, so jetsill have an open
Speaker 2: not a good gig.
Speaker 1: Saints have an opening, Raiders, won't. I hear a lot
Speaker 1: of people I don't. I'm with you. I don't think
Speaker 1: they will. But I think a lot of people in
Speaker 1: the NFL think Antonio Pierce has a good chance to
Speaker 1: be They just fired four coaches the other day, clean house, so.
Speaker 2: I would argue the best job. God, you can't be
Speaker 2: the Jaguars. There is no good job opening in the AFC,
Speaker 2: so let's go to the NFC. I think the Giants
Speaker 2: will keep dable. So Dallas just because you have a
Speaker 2: capable quarterback and a couple of stars isn't bad. Okay, Bears,
Speaker 2: I don't like that as a job. Saints, I'm not interested. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll make the I'll make the argument, hell, Tampa would
Speaker 2: be the best job if available, because I get Baker.
Speaker 2: The Glazer family is pretty classy. I know them. Jason
Speaker 2: Light's an excellent general manager, one of the best.
Speaker 1: Spelichick a sleeper there.
Speaker 2: I I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 1: Him and Jason work together.
Speaker 2: And I don't think Todd Bowles is the issue. I
Speaker 2: think injuries are the issue.
Speaker 1: Same.
Speaker 2: I to me, Tampa is the best job over but
Speaker 2: if it comes open, I think Todd will probably retain it.
Speaker 2: Glasers don't want to fire people.
Speaker 1: They're good people, and I don't I think Todd's done enough.
Speaker 1: Like you watch him. They are a well coached team
Speaker 1: and they play hard. Now, I do wonder if some
Speaker 1: of these owners like, hey, we get Bill Belichick, like
Speaker 1: they're the type ownership once upon a time they traded
Speaker 1: for who John Gruden? Right, they hired Bruce Ari and
Speaker 1: signed Tom Brady like they're a sneaky like a little splash.
Speaker 1: I listen most of these. I would say the one
Speaker 1: gig that if you do believe in Caleb that he
Speaker 1: can just be the Pete Carroll early version of Russell.
Speaker 1: They have a defense, they have pieces on offense, and
Speaker 1: because their record's going to be crappy, they're going to
Speaker 1: have high draft picks, and like, I think that's a
Speaker 1: pretty intriguing job. The thing is they left they don't
Speaker 1: want to pay anybody. I mean, these coaches Kirby Smart
Speaker 1: and Lane Kiffin are playing each other. They may combine
Speaker 1: like twenty five million. It's the SEC you're the Chicago Bears,
Speaker 1: So why wouldn't you call Belichick? Hey, we'll give you
Speaker 1: three years, sixty million dollars. These are line items to people,
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, to what these teams are making now
Speaker 1: that means nothing. Mark Davis, who historically the Raiders were
Speaker 1: the poorest NFL team, right, they just didn't have the
Speaker 1: cash flow. They have no problem paying guys to go away.
Speaker 1: Now why he has unlimited money, which is scary for
Speaker 1: some of these owners who know what they're doing because
Speaker 1: they can just fire people non stop. But the cash,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to offer Bill Belichick for all these
Speaker 1: teams you can offer. You can just give him two
Speaker 1: years fifty million dollars. Just heay, just come in and
Speaker 1: get us going in the right direction. But he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: could we find this coordinator maybe for six million dollars,
Speaker 1: Like what do you don't complain when you lose? Don't
Speaker 1: complain when you lose. So I feel bad for Bears
Speaker 1: fans because I would have. This season has been a
Speaker 1: train wreck. It really has given the expectations and now
Speaker 1: feels talk about a team that we talk about the
Speaker 1: Cowboys not winning any more games. Look at the Bear schedule.
Speaker 1: I mean they might only have one win, especially if
Speaker 1: their players are quitting.
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Speaker 2: the college football topic. So during the season, nobody's gonna
Speaker 2: cry for me. But during the season, you and I
Speaker 2: don't get days off necessarily. I don't I have a
Speaker 2: Monday through Friday show, you just work on Sunday, we work,
Speaker 2: So I gave myself Saturday off. I looked on the schedule.
Speaker 2: I wanted to watch LSU Bama. I watched the first
Speaker 2: half and it was over. I got a feeling pretty
Speaker 2: quickly that Brian Kelly's team just wasn't up for it.
Speaker 2: That's that's not how you should play at home in
Speaker 2: your third year against Alabama, your primary rival. But I
Speaker 2: was thinking about this, is that the concern for college
Speaker 2: football creating even a twelve team playoff, that it would
Speaker 2: newter the regular season. And it's interesting. If I said
Speaker 2: to you, what has been the best college football game
Speaker 2: this season, I think most of us would go Ohio
Speaker 2: State Oregon was like unbelievable. But I can count on
Speaker 2: one hand the games I've said, like, I thought Texas
Speaker 2: Georgia would be great, it wasn't. I thought LSU Bama
Speaker 2: could be great, it wasn't. I thought Penn State Ohio
Speaker 2: State was fine, but I didn't think either team played
Speaker 2: particularly well. You know, they had opportunities. And I will
Speaker 2: say this, I love college for USC.
Speaker 1: Michigan was really fun at the time, it didn't age well,
Speaker 1: but that game at the time felt huge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree, and they'll be close games. But
Speaker 2: I will say whereas the NFL has fourteen games a
Speaker 2: weekend and usually about six to seven are pretty damn good.
Speaker 2: I mean we got some. I mean Kansas City, Denver, Washington, Pittsburgh,
Speaker 2: you know those were really good games. Hell, even Buffalo
Speaker 2: and the Colts for a while was good. San Francisco,
Speaker 2: Tampa was exceptional. And I think Rams Miami tomorrow will
Speaker 2: be good. So you'll get six or seven NFL games
Speaker 2: every weekend out of fourteen. I do think it has changed.
Speaker 2: My mindset is that the games don't feel as definitive
Speaker 2: or punitive, and so right now my take is everybody's
Speaker 2: going to have a loss. I'm not going a mile
Speaker 2: deep on a strong opinion on a loss. I think
Speaker 2: Texas is good. They had a really bad Saturday, got
Speaker 2: into their fields. Georgia was pissed off. Georgia lost Ole Miss.
Speaker 2: They're a limited team offensively. But I will say that
Speaker 2: the college football Playoff, it's done this to college basketball,
Speaker 2: where the college basketball now is a bracket. It's got
Speaker 2: three great weeks and a lot of stuff that nobody watches.
Speaker 2: I see the numbers, I do think the playoff was
Speaker 2: necessary for the growth of the sport. But I feel
Speaker 2: like Saturday, I said, Hey, I'm gonna take the afternoon off,
Speaker 2: spend it with my wife and just take a deep breath, exercise,
Speaker 2: just get out in Chicago. Let's go have a wild,
Speaker 2: fun day. And I do feel I didn't feel I
Speaker 2: missed anything.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I love college football. You do too, do you? But
Speaker 2: I'm feeling a little different that the regular SIS season
Speaker 2: doesn't feel as urgent to me. But I think I'll
Speaker 2: get the payoff for the last month.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not, when it comes to sports topics,
Speaker 1: a moral high horse guy. You know, I'm not someone
Speaker 1: that like pounds my chest about certain things that bother people.
Speaker 1: You know, in terms of this use College's example, the
Speaker 1: nil the transfer portal. For the most part, I'm like,
Speaker 1: whatever things change, you deal with it. Miller Moss was
Speaker 1: benched this week and immediately he just quits, I'm going
Speaker 1: in the transfer portal like that that happened. And even
Speaker 1: Lincoln's like, eeah, he's just a new opportunity. This guy
Speaker 1: has been with these players now for years with the team.
Speaker 1: I do think something's really out of whack that that
Speaker 1: was like a symbolic moment that this guy finally gets benched.
Speaker 1: He struggled, and it's like I just quit. I'm just
Speaker 1: leaving the team. Like and then you watch some of
Speaker 1: these games, like George is not nearly as good as
Speaker 1: they once were because people just the moment it chick
Speaker 1: gets toughs like I just quit. I think Brady talked
Speaker 1: about it in the offseason, was like when I went
Speaker 1: to Michigan, like for five years, it wasn't easy. Shit
Speaker 1: gets hard, but he represented every kid for the history
Speaker 1: of college football, like I want to kill my coach,
Speaker 1: I want to strangle my offensive coordinator. I just want
Speaker 1: to quit football, and you just couldn't. And I do
Speaker 1: think he watched the just what's going on in college football?
Speaker 1: I don't know how to fix it, but like that
Speaker 1: that just something's off, Like people get benched. It's football.
Speaker 1: You know, you were playing, like shit, we're four and five,
Speaker 1: we can't win a game. It's like I just quit.
Speaker 1: So it's like there's no one means anything. Clearly, you're
Speaker 1: getting some money, Like it's just out of whack. It
Speaker 1: really is. And that's why I think it represents all
Speaker 1: these guys moving NonStop, which has its positives but also
Speaker 1: has like that for me was a story like I
Speaker 1: don't know if something just feels icky, like there has
Speaker 1: to be And I think whenever these college coaches say something,
Speaker 1: most of the media.
Speaker 5: Is like, you just money hungry. You guys always had
Speaker 5: the advance guys, Yes, we get it, They've always made money.
Speaker 5: They also generate all the money for the athletic department.
Speaker 5: Look at how much coaches make in the NFL. Their
Speaker 5: valuable commodity players are two.
Speaker 1: But if Deebo Samuel's mad today, he can't just go
Speaker 1: tomorrow like I quit, I'm leaving. It's like no debo,
Speaker 1: you're under contract. Well, these guys are getting paid. It
Speaker 1: just it's just way out of whack. Yeah, And for
Speaker 1: the first time, it was just a moment. I don't
Speaker 1: care about Miller Moss. I'm not even like this USC
Speaker 1: team turns me off, But that moment, I do think
Speaker 1: He's not alone. I'm just I'm not trying to pick
Speaker 1: on him. He represents a lot of guys. Happens all over,
Speaker 1: happens with guys we probably don't know because he might
Speaker 1: be a guard or a safety. Happens at every program
Speaker 1: you get benched to middle the seasons like I quit,
Speaker 1: I'm just out. And then I saw the South Carolina
Speaker 1: has a defensive end right now, who's got a chance
Speaker 1: to be like Miles Garrett. He's an elite freshman. And
Speaker 1: I saw, you know this week maybe on like Thursday
Speaker 1: or Friday, that like his value in nil because of
Speaker 1: how good he is is going to go to like
Speaker 1: two to five million dollars this next season. Well how
Speaker 1: does he know that? Because if you think about it,
Speaker 1: like Oregon, just look at the teams all the nil
Speaker 1: they're already contacting him, which I don't blame, like there
Speaker 1: are no rules. It's a lawless land right now. But
Speaker 1: something's off. And I do think that some of these coaches,
Speaker 1: like listen, we got no problem people getting paid, but
Speaker 1: there has to be I can't just tomorrow be like
Speaker 1: calling I'm out, Like I don't know. We have contracts.
Speaker 1: Isn't that the way the business works? And I feel
Speaker 1: like the media roots for all these guys get money rightfully,
Speaker 1: so but like that that's not how any business works ever,
Speaker 1: Like there are contracts people at the fall rule there
Speaker 1: just are no rules. Yeah, even the coaches like why
Speaker 1: Billy Napier not get fired well, because he's good. They
Speaker 1: have to pay him twenty five million dollars. They can,
Speaker 1: he's under contract. It's just it is what it is,
Speaker 1: where players just like the moment shit, and I get it.
Speaker 1: Like if you're at and listen, I came from Fresno State,
Speaker 1: we would have lost all of our good players back
Speaker 1: in twenty ten. Boysey. I don't they got very lucky
Speaker 1: to keep genty He was offered a million dollars and
Speaker 1: turned it down, but he was an outliner. I just
Speaker 1: think the situation of like I do think it turns.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just out of whack. That's all I
Speaker 1: can say. I still enjoy the games, like I love
Speaker 1: Colorado is like one of the best stories, what Dion's done,
Speaker 1: Warren sapp that defensive line. I watched three games yesterday
Speaker 1: Colorado Ole miss in Georgia, and I had a lot
Speaker 1: of money on LSU and I turned it off basically
Speaker 1: in the third quarter. But those games, like, I still
Speaker 1: enjoy the pageantry between it all. But sometimes you're just like,
Speaker 1: I what going on here?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I feel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, like what's Lincoln supposed to do? Not
Speaker 1: bench Miller Moss like people get benched. It's that happens sports.
Speaker 2: I mean, Lincoln and Les Miles are really good coaches
Speaker 2: and both are really struggling. And I think, I think
Speaker 2: it is really hard to build a culture when you
Speaker 2: have to walk on eggshells around players. I mean, Sean
Speaker 2: Payton can dog cuss a guy? Where are you going
Speaker 2: to go now the NFL? You know, in the NBA
Speaker 2: you have to walk on eggshells around pro basketball players.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they'll get you fired immediately they don't like you.
Speaker 2: But in the NFL you don't. In college football, college
Speaker 2: football is becoming the NBA where coaches are terrified to
Speaker 2: alienate players, And so I think for guys like you
Speaker 2: know it, it's Harbaugh was really lucky. By the time
Speaker 2: he built them into a power, the world changed. And
Speaker 2: then he had a couple of years within IL, but
Speaker 2: he had established a junior senior dominant roster, and then
Speaker 2: he left and listened Jay Wright and Roy Williams and
Speaker 2: Mike Kay get me out of here. So Bill self
Speaker 2: is having to deal with some of this. So I
Speaker 2: think college sports the NIL.
Speaker 1: It is the dude have Virginia, who's like one of
Speaker 1: the highest level guys ever, just quit this insane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's I think it's much easier to
Speaker 2: build a culture in the NFL and churned things around immediately,
Speaker 2: Harbaugh Demiko Ryans because the cow the coach has the leverage.
Speaker 2: College sports, now the star player has the leverage. And
Speaker 2: it's just simply it's it's harder to build a culture
Speaker 2: when you're walking on eggshells. And I've known programs I've
Speaker 2: talked to coaches about this that they can't announce. They
Speaker 2: have to wait until a certain date in August to
Speaker 2: announce a starting left tackle or a starting running back
Speaker 2: because they're afraid the player will transfer. So what happens
Speaker 2: is now college coaches are much less honest with the players.
Speaker 2: They won't give them bad news early the depth chart,
Speaker 2: they don't want it published. They so you're getting a
Speaker 2: really inauthentic, dishonest relationship between college coach and college player
Speaker 2: because college player will bold and not even the great ones,
Speaker 2: the good ones will bold. Well.
Speaker 1: I think Locksley told a story at Maryland that his
Speaker 1: third string running back came in after the spring game
Speaker 1: and said he wanted two hundred thousand dollars. He said, godspeed,
Speaker 1: go get it. What are we talking about? And I
Speaker 1: think going back to the coaching thing, I think you've
Speaker 1: been talking to NFL players for decades. They will all
Speaker 1: say my relationship like they love their position coach or
Speaker 1: their coordinator, especially the good ones. But you get to
Speaker 1: develop a real relationship so he can tell me good
Speaker 1: and bad whatever. Well, how do I develop a real
Speaker 1: relationship if I'm terrified if I say the wrong thing,
Speaker 1: especially you're you're there's a difference of dealing with a
Speaker 1: twenty eight year old and an eighteen or nineteen year old.
Speaker 1: Let's face it, we're just as men. We're not as
Speaker 1: mature at that age, much more emotional, and even something
Speaker 1: that is correct, I'm not gonna listen to. So it's
Speaker 1: a much more difficult situation. And before all those guys,
Speaker 1: most of the older players in the NFL, they all
Speaker 1: attribute like the best thing going through some adversity, not
Speaker 1: getting a starting spot as a five star. I had
Speaker 1: to earn my way. It made me a better player.
Speaker 1: Now saying I'm out see you, and that just can't
Speaker 1: be healthy for the development. I think it's something to
Speaker 1: keep an eye on for the draft. Is like these
Speaker 1: teams think the draft now are not as deep because
Speaker 1: you got guys bouncing all around. The development is not
Speaker 1: as streamlined. Ye know, it's just out of whack. And
Speaker 1: I'm not some anti paying the guys or anything, but
Speaker 1: we have to. And I love football. I mean I
Speaker 1: could watch football all day long as I do, lucky
Speaker 1: enough to get paid to do it. But when I
Speaker 1: saw that Miller Moss thing, I'm like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: something is just this is not Caleb his coach followed them.
Speaker 1: I think you see a lot of times like Bo
Speaker 1: Nicks was told we're going with or no, Dylan Gabriel like, hey,
Speaker 1: we're going with Jack normal. Some things is like totally understandable.
Speaker 1: And then there's like Miller Moss acting like you think
Speaker 1: you're Matt Lioner or something. Your team's four and five
Speaker 1: and you have been shitty in some of these big moments,
Speaker 1: and you have an offense and you're just where are
Speaker 1: you gonna go? Like San Diego State, Who's who's lining
Speaker 1: up for you? Yeah? But I just thought the headline, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Something just feels a little weird.
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