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Speaker 3: Real.

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Speaker 1: He coached the Jets, He coached the Cleveland Browns. In fact,

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Speaker 1: he with the two thousand and six AFC coached the

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Speaker 1: year with the Jets. But things turn fast in New York.

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Speaker 1: Eric Mangini. First things first is joining us live. So

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Speaker 1: I suggested, I said, I think I would go get

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy. It's New York. I want coaching experience. He

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Speaker 1: won with Cooper Rush, he won with Dak, He won

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Speaker 1: with Aaron that was called boring and uninspiring As an option,

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Speaker 1: Is Mike McCarthy sound boring and uninspiring? I don't know

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Speaker 1: if I'd want to go with another coordinator in New York.

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Speaker 1: Coughlin was a head coach at Boston College Jacksonville, New York.

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Speaker 1: He could handle New York. McCarthy's had Jerry Big Packers

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Speaker 1: brand McCarthy feels like the right fit to me in

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Speaker 1: New York. Am I nuts, You're not nuts.

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Speaker 4: You for an organization that that's had as many problems

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Speaker 4: as the Giants. To get an established head coach with

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Speaker 4: the experience and who's not going to go through that

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Speaker 4: learning curve is really attractive. But typically guys don't get

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Speaker 4: three head coaching shots. That's that's not the norm. To me,

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Speaker 4: this would have been if Bill had sat If Bill

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Speaker 4: Belichick had sat out a year another year and been available,

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Speaker 4: I think this would have been a really interesting story

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Speaker 4: and it could have gone full circle. And I that's

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Speaker 4: not a great fit either because of his age and

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Speaker 4: some of the personnel issues he's had, but that that

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Speaker 4: at least is a compelling storyline, and you'd know he'd

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Speaker 4: get the defense fixed at a minimum.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't love Belichick.

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Speaker 4: I I yeah, I don't love North Carolina Belichick going there.

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Speaker 4: I think it's I think that that has kind of

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Speaker 4: allowed the ship to sail.

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Speaker 1: What do you make the Giants keeping their GM, Joe Shane.

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Speaker 4: I don't understand it at all, Colin, And and look,

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Speaker 4: I'm a little bit biased with Brian Dayball because I've

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Speaker 4: had a long relationship with him, and he's worked for me,

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Speaker 4: and I know what a good coach he is, and

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Speaker 4: he was Coach of the Year to start. But we

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Speaker 4: all saw on TV that they GM wanted to move

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Speaker 4: on from Saquon Barkley and he definitely wasn't going to

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Speaker 4: go in the division and he wasn't worth what anybody

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Speaker 4: has almost an MVP type season and arguably could have

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Speaker 4: been the MVP if we didn't always name a quarterback.

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Speaker 4: And then they do that to keep Daniel Jones, and

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Speaker 4: then they move on from Daniel Jones. They eat all

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Speaker 4: of the dead money, and here we are a year

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Speaker 4: later and Daniel Jones is doing what he's what he's

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Speaker 4: doing with the Colts. So that's the guy making the

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Speaker 4: ultimate personnel decisions. Those are two dramatic organizational shaping decisions

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Speaker 4: that not only affect you short term but long term

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Speaker 4: because of the dead money. And yet you have your

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Speaker 4: job and the coach is fired mid season. Doesn't seem

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Speaker 4: to make a lot of sense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Okay, so I said this earlier. I said

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Speaker 1: with these young quarterbacks, two things are true. It's usually

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Speaker 1: Second thing who they get is they're opening coach matters,

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Speaker 1: especially like you're Sam Darnold twenty one. You didn't have

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Speaker 1: it's Adam Gas. It's like, that's a lot. That's a lot.

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Speaker 1: So I said, here's the eleven quarterbacks twenty five and under.

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Speaker 1: to sign a three hundred million dollar you know, one

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Speaker 1: But half of these I defended bon Nicks. I'm like,

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Speaker 4: May at this point. Drake May, to me, this year's

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Speaker 4: That's all it was, and he's hot right now, and

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Speaker 4: everybody loves Drake May just like we love Jayden, just

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Speaker 4: to see these guys do it consistently and continue to improve.

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Speaker 4: But look at the list of guys who've gotten big money,

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Speaker 4: love to a Herbert, Trevor Purdy, the forty nine ers

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Speaker 4: paying Purty over a quarter of a billion dollars. And

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Speaker 4: now mac Jones goes out there and he's playing at

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Speaker 4: a really high level for three percent of what of

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Speaker 4: then affect everything moving forward because those guys have to

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Speaker 4: I still like Jayden Daniels a lot. He would probably

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Speaker 4: whether we're going to see, you know, the spottering out.

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Speaker 4: You'd like to think CJ. Stroud is a franchise guy,

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Speaker 4: but there's been a lot of ups and downs that

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Speaker 4: I didn't expect, you know, at this level to be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, we were talking about Green Bay. Is that

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Speaker 1: they're broken. They haven't scored on their opening drive since

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Speaker 1: Dallas Week four. So the scripted stuff's not good. The

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Speaker 1: Craft is a great tight end out for the year,

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Speaker 1: read a clever receiver. He's banged up, Golden didn't play.

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Speaker 1: Is it Lafleur, is it Love? Is it the injuries? Like,

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Speaker 1: how do you solve mid season a broken offense?

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Speaker 4: The Tucker Craft injury was a really bad one. He

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Speaker 4: was looking like a pretty big safety blanket for Jordan Love.

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Speaker 4: And when you look at Jordan Love over the course

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Speaker 4: He's in that sort of seventy to eighty quarterback rating range.

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Speaker 4: And that's been frustrating to see. They do a lot

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Speaker 4: grade the Eagles on a curve. This Eagles defense, to me,

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Speaker 4: then for Jordan Love, there's another great situation where they

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Speaker 4: paid him a ton of money and you're expecting him

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Speaker 1: I want to go back, and I said this. I

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Speaker 1: watched this Mendoza kid this weekend at Indiana, and that

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Speaker 1: of college starts. That's an NFL quarterback. That last drive

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Speaker 1: against Penn State on the road, I mean, Eric, it

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Speaker 1: A lot of these college kids now with nil they

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Speaker 1: might stay. And I said, well, I may go mac Jones.

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Speaker 1: I'd go Mendoza, mac Jones. But my broader point was

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Speaker 1: draft another quarterback. We're going to get somebody in the league.

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. Seattle said we're not going to draft another quarterback.

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Speaker 1: We're going to get Sam Darnold. That's what Tampa said.

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Speaker 1: Jason Light the GM, let's go get Baker. So Mendoza

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Speaker 1: to me is a slam dunk. Mac Jones would be

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Speaker 1: my second pick. The rest of these guys aren't ready

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Speaker 1: to star. Let's talk Sam Darnald, who I would have

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Speaker 1: he's not. But you broke down some film this week,

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Speaker 1: what do you see all your years in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: what do you see with Donald?

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Speaker 4: Yes, the Sam Donald elevation really started at the end

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Speaker 4: of Carolina. He's four and two at Carolina and then

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Speaker 4: he and he goes has a really outstanding season last year.

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Speaker 4: Now the end of the season that that hurt him,

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Speaker 4: and I think I think that's still the big question

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Speaker 4: mark with him. And now he moves to Seattle, and

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Speaker 4: what he's been so good at is the deep ball

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Speaker 4: and passes over ten yards. He's first in completions, he's

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Speaker 4: quarterback rating. He's got all all those things going for him.

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Speaker 4: You know, he struggled a little bit in the second half,

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Speaker 4: and we're gonna have to see how how it goes

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Speaker 4: when he gets to the playoffs. But let me show

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Speaker 4: you a deep ball play that he had against the Cardinals,

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Speaker 4: do and why he's so effective. So this is actually

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Speaker 4: the first drive of the game, and they just literally

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Speaker 4: cross midfield a couple plays earlier. They're going to run

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Speaker 4: hard sell play action, and with the hard sell play action,

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Speaker 4: they're going to end up blocking eight. So they're going

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Speaker 4: and the running back is going to stay in as well.

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Speaker 4: And then Sam does a really good job on these

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Speaker 4: play action fakes. You can see him extend the arm

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Speaker 4: out here. He's selling it. And now Seattle's just going

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Speaker 4: to run a two man route. So they've got Shaheed

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Speaker 1: He's going to push.

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Speaker 4: Vertically, then he's going to drive out to freeze the cornerback.

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Speaker 4: Then he's going to push up the field. But it's

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Speaker 4: simply a two man route. And then with the Cardinals,

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Speaker 4: they're actually very effective at stopping deep balls. They're bringing

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Speaker 4: pressure here and they actually get more pressers because so

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Speaker 4: many guys bite on the play accid and they've got

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Speaker 4: a three deep zone behind it, so they're in a

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Speaker 4: great defense to stop the deep ball. Seattle rolls Donald

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Speaker 4: out to his left. He's a right handed quarterback. Typically

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Speaker 4: you throw this moving him to his dominant arm, not

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Speaker 4: a way from his dominan arm looking in Jigbak, he

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Speaker 4: pushes out. Now that freezes the cornerback, the cornerback who

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Speaker 4: let this go even though in Jigba's not on top

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he is. There is no question. John Snyder,

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Speaker 1: When I watch him play, I see an elite quarterback.

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Speaker 4: And he's given every former first round draft pick who

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Speaker 4: He had multiple stops. And look, if he stay with

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Speaker 4: So all these guys and everybody's labeling as a bust.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff. Eric Mangini, thanks coach.

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Speaker 4: Great seeing a con All right.

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Speaker 1: J Mack sitting around, He's ready to go with the news.

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Speaker 1: Turn on the news.

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Speaker 2: This is the Herdline news.

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Speaker 6: Well, technically I'm not sitting around listening, researching, and also

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Speaker 2: Are you ready for this?

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Speaker 6: So I know you are up on Twitch and all

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Speaker 6: he was taking part in a Madden video game live

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Speaker 2: Are things going?

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Speaker 6: AJ Brown said, it's a poop show, struggling brother, This

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Speaker 6: also said, if you've got me on Fantasy man, get

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Speaker 6: Monday night football game. Well, remember the Eagles called that

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Speaker 6: they just threw a deep ball to AJ Brown. It

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Speaker 6: makes you wonder was that basically, Hey, Aj, just shut

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Speaker 6: the bleep up. We're gonna throw deep to you, and

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Speaker 6: if we fail.

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Speaker 1: Who cares the package all the time. That's how I

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Speaker 1: viewed it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's just such a weird situation. Now here we go.

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Speaker 6: Zach Berman, who covers the Eagles, said Nick Sirianni is

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Speaker 6: getting bombarded with in here the last hour, AJ Brown questions,

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Speaker 6: here's Sirianni. He's starting to lose it, Colin, I'm close

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Speaker 6: to being done answering questions about this.

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Speaker 1: He's working hard.

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Speaker 6: He's a big part of this game plan, and he'll

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Speaker 6: be a big part of the game plan going forward.

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Speaker 6: He's working crazy when he's here. We have this out.

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Speaker 3: I'm close to being done answering these questions with us, Like,

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Speaker 3: he's working hard, and he is a big part of

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Speaker 3: this game plan and there'll be a big part of

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Speaker 3: the game.

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Speaker 1: Plan going forward.

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Speaker 3: And he's working like crazy when he's here, and I'm

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Speaker 6: He sure sounds like it, doesn't he. It's like when

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Speaker 6: McK and you're like, yeah, fired up?

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Speaker 5: Was it?

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Speaker 2: I keep defending I think it's gonna be okay.

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Speaker 1: It's not. It's not okay. I mean you you seem.

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Speaker 6: Like a crazy person trying to trade him in like

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Speaker 6: week two and everybody's like, coward's losing it.

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Speaker 1: I got crushed forward. I'm like, guys, it's you're trying

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Speaker 1: to talk yourself into it. It is a bad fit.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't mean he's a bad guy. I like Aj Brown,

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Speaker 1: I like Stefon Diggs, but they're fit matters for wide receives.

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Speaker 6: You can't win the Super Bowl obviously, sayque Bartlet was great,

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Speaker 6: go to another Super Bowl with him and call it

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Speaker 6: a bad fit.

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Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, no no no. That that's

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Speaker 1: that's false. Everybody's on their best behavior when you're winning.

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Speaker 1: And it's early, but relationships, marriages, businesses, you have to

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Speaker 1: view them broadly over the course of time. Aj Brown,

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Speaker 1: last year, they're winning, he's getting good looks. But now

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Speaker 1: Devonte Smith has developed. And now the run games not

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Speaker 1: he wants the ball more. And this this has developed

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Speaker 1: into a we've seen this te o wasn't a problem

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Speaker 1: but temperamental wide receivers they want the ball. They're on

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Speaker 2: It's so weird.

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Speaker 6: If you look at the contenders, we're like, oh, I

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Speaker 6: don't know. Jordan Love could be a problem for the Packers.

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Speaker 6: Questions about the Lions play calling, You know, Dan Cable

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Speaker 5: There aren't any.

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Speaker 1: Questions about specific.

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Speaker 6: Position players on any of these contenders except AJ Brown.

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Speaker 6: I will say this guy. I think we agree. They're

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: No, what's the path to the Super Bowl without AJ Brown?

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Speaker 1: Devonte Smith? Oh?

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Speaker 6: Please come on, he's not even a number one receiver. Oh,

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Speaker 6: I mean Saquon Barkley barely can run the football. There's

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Speaker 6: no nowhere to go.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I mean they're probably gonna get a buye in the

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Speaker 6: first round and play the second round.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that they're a lot.

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Speaker 6: Colin, this is loaded NFC, rams, Seahawks.

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Speaker 1: Hell, the Lions are not bad.

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Speaker 2: I'm worried about AJ Brown. Clean it up, brother, all right?

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Speaker 1: Next story, Colin is the New York Giants. Big news here.

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Speaker 6: In the last ninety minutes, Mike Kafka has announced that

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Speaker 6: Jameis Winston It's going to be the starter against the

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Speaker 6: Green Bay Packers this weekend. Jackson dart in the concussion

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Speaker 6: protocol because he literally lives in the blue tent Jamis

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Speaker 6: bypassing Russell Wilson in the pecking order. Russell Wilson filled in.

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Speaker 6: I think he filled in on her drive and then

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Speaker 6: He had a total of like seven yards or something

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Speaker 6: like that in place.

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Speaker 2: That's not great for Russ.

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Speaker 6: I think do they cut him and let him go

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's on the next year. Let

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Speaker 1: me ask you, how many quarterbacks have played their way

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Speaker 1: out of the Hall of Fame? Said, that's tough, man.

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Speaker 6: I played his way out of the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 6: Isn't this the pregnancy thing? You're either pregnant or you're not.

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Speaker 6: You're either in the Hall of Fame or you're not.

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson was a go either way leaving Seattle, Denver disaster,

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh disaster, Giants disaster.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not great.

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Speaker 1: I mean Philip Rivers either way, goes to Indy, goes

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Speaker 1: eleven and five and like for a year, saves the Colts.

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Speaker 1: That's absolutely a credit on the.

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Speaker 6: Would you go that's a good one, Russell Wilson or

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Speaker 6: Philip Rivers?

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Speaker 1: If you said, yeah, Philip Rivers went to a second

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Speaker 1: place and was a one year wonder.

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Speaker 2: Did you get your Super Bowl?

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Speaker 1: Well, they can't all be Was.

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Speaker 6: He ever like a top three MVP finalist or anything?

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Speaker 1: I mean again, Philip Rivers probably doesn't get in. But

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Speaker 1: and won eleven games, and went to Buffalo and was

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Speaker 1: in for a dog fight against Josh Allen Russell was

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Speaker 1: go either way Denver Steelers Giants. It's not gonna help. Yeah, no, No,

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Speaker 1: I'm a rough guy.

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Speaker 2: Not just because I look a little bit like him.

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Speaker 6: I've been told.

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Speaker 2: But I think he had such a.

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Speaker 6: Good run an underdog, came out of the middle rounds

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Speaker 6: spectacular to heap from Richard Sherman and all the legion.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying yes or no. I'm just saying it's

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Speaker 1: just watching him now getting usurped by Jameis Winston.

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Speaker 6: Not great drop an sat vocabboards out here in our

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Speaker 6: number three geez sorry. Final story is Rob Grugkowski pretty cool.

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Speaker 6: He's officially retired from the NFL. He signed a one

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Speaker 6: day contract to officially retire as a Patriot today.

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Speaker 2: Here's grunk on retiring in Foxborough.

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Speaker 7: This means a lot to me big time because I'm

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Speaker 7: a I'm a New England patriot. I'm a Patriot for life.

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Speaker 7: My career started here at one needed to end here,

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Speaker 7: There's no doubt about that. I Mean, the whole bront persona,

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Speaker 7: everything about myself was all because of you guys, was

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Speaker 7: play the game of football. How in the football field.

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Speaker 1: My favorite part of Gronk, because I've been on the

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Speaker 1: set with him a couple of times, is when you

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Speaker 1: go back to those New England days and he was

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Speaker 1: I mean, he was dominant. It was just hard to

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Speaker 1: defend him. In his prime. He would he would hurt

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Speaker 1: people and and some of his soundbites after games where

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Speaker 1: he knew he was going to get in trouble, and

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Speaker 1: I mean, Belichick's got a couple of laugh out loud stories.

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Speaker 1: Brady and Belichick have stories about Gronk at practice, you know,

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Speaker 1: he's practical joke guy. Yeah, but I'm trying to think

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Speaker 1: of the best tight ends I've ever seen. Kellen Winslow, Gronk,

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Speaker 1: Tony Gonzalez, Shannon Sharp's guys, Shannon Sharp, Travis Kelsey, Antonio Gates. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's been a lot of good ones.

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Speaker 2: I'll say this.

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Speaker 6: I was only on a TV set with him once,

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Speaker 6: but somebody smart pointed him and said, you see J Mack.

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Speaker 6: You see what he's doing. He's authentic. That's the real dude.

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Speaker 6: He's not faking the funk. He's not trying to clean

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Speaker 6: it up. Just do you because Gronk.

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Speaker 2: Is doing him.

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Speaker 6: He's gonna be a TV star and obviously he's doing

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Speaker 6: a great job after his NFL career here at Fox.

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Speaker 1: Genuinely good guy. J Mack with the news.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting through the years when I've chatted

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Speaker 1: with NFL Draft directors or scouts or executives. It's interesting

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Speaker 1: with quarterbacks how often they will point to a specific

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Speaker 1: play or specific drive. I remember this with Josh Allen specifically,

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Speaker 1: and say we're going to draft him based on two

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Speaker 1: throws he made at Wyoming. Like he's raw, he makes

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Speaker 1: a lot of mistakes, but he makes a couple of

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Speaker 1: throws at Wyoming where people are like, I've never seen

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Speaker 1: anything like that. Nobody in the NFL can make that throw.

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Speaker 1: And so when I was watching Saturday watching Fernando Mendoza,

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Speaker 1: Penn State knew he had to throw. He's on the road,

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Speaker 1: major pass rush, and he's just throwing dart after dart

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Speaker 1: after dark. Penn State knows he's thrown. Penn State's coverage

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Speaker 1: all knows he's throwing the ball. He's not running the ball.

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Speaker 1: You're not fooling anybody. And he is running and moving

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Speaker 1: and throwing. And that drive alone, to me is like, Oh,

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Speaker 1: that's the number one pick in the draft. Just big

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Speaker 1: boy throws. And Penn State had all the momentum in

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Speaker 1: that game, all of it. Indiana couldn't run this drive.

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Speaker 1: They had no choice but to throw, even the game winner,

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Speaker 1: he's throwing it back foot, jumping in the air, getting clobbered,

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Speaker 1: and nothing against ty Simpson at BAMA. But I haven't

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Speaker 1: seen that. I haven't seen a throw where I'm like, WHOA,

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Speaker 1: He's got a cleaner pocket, he's got higher rated teammates.

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Speaker 1: I think you know, Alabama's Alabama. Ty Simpson's got a

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Speaker 1: cleaner pocket. He probably got better Elie quality receiving targets.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying the schedule hasn't been tougher, and

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that ty Simpson can't play. Ty Simpson

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Speaker 1: spent three years at BAMA as a backup, wasn't doing anything,

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Speaker 1: and he's older, so he should be a little bit better.

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Speaker 1: But when I look at those two, Mendoza just jumps

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Speaker 1: off the TV screen and that final drive against State

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Speaker 1: was Wow. That is that is Sunday stuff. Here's Joel

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Speaker 1: Klatt earlier on those two quarterbacks. Mendoza started two years

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Speaker 1: at cal and now a year at Indiana, so he's

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Speaker 1: highly experienced. I value that a lot more than even

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Speaker 1: just these these few games of tape that Ty Simpson

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Speaker 1: has played at Alabama. Who doesn't have that body of

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Speaker 1: work from a start's perspective. Now that doesn't mean that

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Speaker 1: Mendoza is definitely going to be better than ty Simpson.

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Speaker 1: It means that those two decisions for Mendoza, whether he

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Speaker 1: wants to come out or not, or and ty Simpson

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Speaker 1: are different because of their experience level and how much

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Speaker 1: experience they have. You have to be careful about getting

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Speaker 1: sucked in to a big win, like Johnny Manzel beat

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Speaker 1: Bamon and everybody's like, oh wow, It's like, well, what

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Speaker 1: are the traits? Johnny Manziel's tiny, Mendoza is huge. Manziel's

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Speaker 1: arm is okay, Mendoza's is huge. Like like, you can't

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Speaker 1: be blown away by individual moments. You also have to

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Speaker 1: go back to traits. But it's hard to watch that

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Speaker 1: and not just see an NFL starting quarterback like very

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Speaker 1: quickly and by the way, two years at cal and

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Speaker 1: then one year at Indiana, he's not playing with five

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Speaker 1: star guys. He's got good coaches at both places, but

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Speaker 1: he's doing it with a lot of three star recruits

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Speaker 1: and I don't know, just on the road. Have to

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Speaker 1: throw big pass rush, big accurate, great throws. You know

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Speaker 1: that only one person can catch him. I was blown

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Speaker 1: away by it, but you know, these young quarterback Eric

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Speaker 1: Mangini was just onne. We talked about if you look

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Speaker 1: at the eleven quarterbacks in this league twenty five or under,

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Speaker 1: and if you know, let's say you're the GM and

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Speaker 1: you had to make a decision on every one of them,

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Speaker 1: do you give him the big contract today or do

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Speaker 1: you just go back to the draft. It's hard. I mean,

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Speaker 1: most of these guys can't stay healthy. Drake May's healthy,

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Speaker 1: Caleb's healthy, bo Nick's healthy, everybody else been banged up.

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Speaker 1: And here here's here there's man Genie on young quarterback

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Speaker 1: play and extensions and when to know you got the

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Speaker 1: right guy.

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Speaker 4: You've got to be able to see these guys do

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Speaker 4: it consistently and continue to improve. But look at the

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Speaker 4: list of guys who've gotten big money. Love to a

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Speaker 4: Herbert Trevor Purdy, the forty nine ers paying party over

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Speaker 4: a quarter of a billion dollars. And now Mac Jones

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Speaker 4: goes out there and he's playing at a really high

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Speaker 4: level for three percent of what perty's making. So you

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Speaker 4: make these decisions that then affect everything moving forward because

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Speaker 4: those guys have to be forced multipliers because you can't

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Speaker 4: then go pay everybody else.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just interesting with young quarterbacks. I mean Jaden

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Speaker 1: Daniels ten months ago, no brainer ten months ago. Caleb

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Speaker 1: Williams bordering on, well, this isn't gonna work at all. Okay,

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Speaker 1: A lot changes, So it's just everybody now is out

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Speaker 1: on bow Nicks, and I'm like, durable in college and

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Speaker 1: the Bros excellent fourth quarter numbers and wins a lot

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Speaker 1: at Oregon and wins a lot in Denver. Be very

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Speaker 1: careful about just now now, I said, if this continues

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Speaker 1: for the next seven weeks, like if he what if

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Speaker 1: he's good this weekend against Kansas City. Last year he

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Speaker 1: had a passer rating at like one thirty against the

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Speaker 1: Chiefs and Spags. So the bone Nicks one's fascinting because

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Speaker 1: I really like Bonnicks, but he's really regressed this year.

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Speaker 1: So my take is, let's just let's see another seven

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Speaker 1: eight games and if this is just what it is,

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Speaker 1: you know, then Denver with our second or third pick,

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Speaker 1: maybe like let's get some competition in the quarterback room.

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Speaker 1: But you gotta be careful. Undervalued is durability. Caleb Williams

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Speaker 1: does not get hurt. Bonnicks does not get hurt. That

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Speaker 1: is a that is an under and that is a skill.

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Speaker 1: Don't kid yourself avoiding contact, known how to sack, get

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Speaker 1: rid of the ball. Bonnicks does not take sacks. He

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Speaker 1: and you can say, oh, it's the old line. He

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Speaker 1: just doesn't take sacks. He gets rid of that thing fast,

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Speaker 1: and for the record, that probably speaks to some of

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Speaker 1: his deep ball issues. Probably could give it another beat.

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Speaker 1: His thing is, I don't want to get sacked. I

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Speaker 1: don't want negative plays, which, by the way, is the

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Speaker 1: number one improvement all year for Caleb Williams. It's not

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Speaker 1: flashy plays, it's not accuracy, it's not Caleb's number one improvement.

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Speaker 1: He's not taking negative plays. And that's bo Nix's strangth durable,

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Speaker 1: doesn't take negative plays, gets rid of the ball, doesn't

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Speaker 1: get sacked. I did. I hope J Mack noticed that that.

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Speaker 1: Even Eric Mangini noticed that you're paying Mac Jones three

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Speaker 1: percent of Brock Purdy and Mac looks good, like really good.

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Speaker 6: I can't reason with you on this topic, so I'm

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Speaker 6: just gonna stand down. You know you don't like Purdy.

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Speaker 6: You have a beef with him because he can't hold

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Speaker 6: the football in rain, because he's not six four in

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Speaker 6: strapping and Bill like an Adonis. Well, I can't do

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Speaker 6: anything about that, but I can just put his numbers up.

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Speaker 6: If you want to put his career NFL numbers and

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Speaker 6: you don't get the cherry pick, oh, let's pick these

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Speaker 6: stats that make Caleb look better. Unequivocally, brock Perty has

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Speaker 6: been a better NFL quarterback than Caleb Williams, full stop.

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Speaker 1: It's not even close. For the record, Bo Nicks's passer

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Speaker 1: rating over this seven game winning streak, it's not terrible.

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Speaker 1: It's eighty seven. C J Stroud the last two years

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Speaker 1: is bordering in eighty nine. And so I mean it's

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Speaker 1: just the bow Knicks negativity. And when I said it,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, if I get this for another seven weeks,

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Speaker 1: maybe your third pick in the draft. Hey, Denver's got

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Speaker 1: a pretty stat roster. Whoof, and I like Bo Nicks