WEBVTT - Ringo Starr: Peace and Love 0:00:15.436 --> 0:00:24.876 Pushkin. Ringo star is one of the most iconic musicians 0:00:24.956 --> 0:00:28.716 living today, fame drummer for the Beatles and a prolific 0:00:28.756 --> 0:00:32.036 songwriter in his own right. At eighty one, Ringo's gearing 0:00:32.116 --> 0:00:43.276 up to release his latest EP changed the world. Then 0:00:43.396 --> 0:00:50.556 the Lang We Fall Out of up. Following the Beatles 0:00:50.556 --> 0:00:54.396 breakup in nineteen seventy, Ringo released a run of successful 0:00:54.396 --> 0:00:58.036 solo albums and chart topping hits. In addition to a 0:00:58.036 --> 0:01:00.556 budding film career and work as a session player for 0:01:00.636 --> 0:01:03.756 artists like George Harrison, Bob Dylan and The Beach Boys, 0:01:04.476 --> 0:01:07.396 Ringo also formed his all star band who for the 0:01:07.436 --> 0:01:11.036 past thirty years, having looted a rotating lineup of some 0:01:11.076 --> 0:01:15.916 of the world's best musicians. Rick Rubin and Ringo recorded 0:01:15.996 --> 0:01:18.716 this interview the day it was announced that Rolling Stones' 0:01:18.796 --> 0:01:22.836 drummer Charlie Watts passed away. On today's episode, you'll hear 0:01:22.916 --> 0:01:26.356 Ringo reminisce about partying with Charlie and led Zeppelin's drummer 0:01:26.516 --> 0:01:29.436 John Bonna. Ringo also talks about how he was a 0:01:29.516 --> 0:01:32.116 drunk heckler at Beatles shows before we joined the band, 0:01:32.476 --> 0:01:35.276 and why Paul McCartney was the only Beatle who would 0:01:35.316 --> 0:01:41.396 share a room with him. This is broken record liner 0:01:41.436 --> 0:01:49.316 notes for the digital age. I'm justin Richmondon. Here's Rick 0:01:49.396 --> 0:01:54.276 Rubin and Ringo Star. There you are, can you hear me? Okay, yeah, 0:01:54.276 --> 0:01:57.236 I'm good, Ricor. I was just on the phone to Paul. 0:01:57.316 --> 0:01:59.316 He gave me a great advice about to do with you. 0:02:00.076 --> 0:02:04.396 What did he say? He said, you know, wonderful human being. 0:02:06.636 --> 0:02:10.116 It's a weird day for us to be talking because Jollie, 0:02:10.156 --> 0:02:12.796 because Charlie's passing, and I just wanted to ask you 0:02:12.996 --> 0:02:16.516 any fond memories of Charlie. I have a lot of 0:02:16.556 --> 0:02:19.676 fund memories of Charlie, and you know, just because you 0:02:19.796 --> 0:02:22.916 like music. I mean, my line always used to be 0:02:23.516 --> 0:02:25.756 over the years, what do you think of Charlie said? Well, 0:02:25.796 --> 0:02:31.676 Charlie plays even less than I do, you know, and 0:02:31.876 --> 0:02:34.636 any musician got that one. But yeah, we had some 0:02:34.796 --> 0:02:37.596 nights out so someone was just telling me Charlie's quote, 0:02:37.916 --> 0:02:40.676 well you know, what do you think about Ringo's drum? 0:02:40.716 --> 0:02:42.556 And he said, I don't know much of that about 0:02:42.556 --> 0:02:44.276 his druming, but we have a great time when we 0:02:44.316 --> 0:02:49.556 go out together. Fantastic. Yeah, So you know, it's sad 0:02:49.876 --> 0:02:53.836 it's like, yeah, but it happens, you know, that's the deal, 0:02:54.076 --> 0:02:56.956 that's part of growing up. Yeah, but he was a 0:02:56.996 --> 0:03:00.156 great plan. I mean he held those guys together for gutsy. 0:03:00.516 --> 0:03:06.796 His job was harder than mine. Yeah, he was incredible, incredible. 0:03:07.116 --> 0:03:09.196 I feel like as good as it, as good as 0:03:09.196 --> 0:03:12.716 it's ever been done. Yeah. Well, you know, we're from 0:03:12.716 --> 0:03:15.036 the school where you don't have to be busy, and 0:03:15.516 --> 0:03:19.476 my absolutely you know when anyone tells me or asked 0:03:19.476 --> 0:03:21.676 me how to play, well, you know, you don't need 0:03:21.716 --> 0:03:23.836 if the singers singing, you don't need to be doing 0:03:23.916 --> 0:03:26.476 drum boogie, you know what I mean, just hold them 0:03:26.516 --> 0:03:30.476 together and then you didn't do fills. That's how I work. Yes, 0:03:30.716 --> 0:03:33.916 with the song, you know, something that changed with your 0:03:33.956 --> 0:03:37.036 style though, Like in the early Beatles stuff, it was 0:03:37.116 --> 0:03:40.036 more straightforward playing a B through the song, but then 0:03:40.116 --> 0:03:43.676 as time went on it got more almost orchestral like, answering, 0:03:44.236 --> 0:03:46.276 answering what the other things were going on? How did 0:03:46.276 --> 0:03:48.996 that start? How did the switch happen? I think that's 0:03:49.036 --> 0:03:53.996 just was a natural progression. Well, I actually understand what 0:03:54.076 --> 0:03:58.356 you're saying. And you know, when the Abbey Road came 0:03:58.396 --> 0:04:02.276 out two years ago, now, I think the remaster, they 0:04:02.276 --> 0:04:05.996 had a big get together at Abbey Road and friends 0:04:06.076 --> 0:04:08.756 and family and all of kids, and they had a 0:04:08.796 --> 0:04:11.756 play back and I'm playing, I'm sitting next to Falling. 0:04:11.756 --> 0:04:20.556 I'm going, man, I'm much too busy, you know. And 0:04:20.756 --> 0:04:24.316 you know, if you're listening to Bathroom Window and those 0:04:24.516 --> 0:04:28.596 that side of that album. I got the new drums, 0:04:28.916 --> 0:04:30.716 you know, a new kid of drums, and they had 0:04:30.836 --> 0:04:33.676 actually carf heads. I never had carf heads and were 0:04:33.676 --> 0:04:36.996 always plastic. And the depth everything I've been trying to 0:04:36.996 --> 0:04:40.116 get with the tea towels and putting packs of cigarettes 0:04:40.116 --> 0:04:43.396 to deaden them because of the skin. The depth was 0:04:43.516 --> 0:04:46.836 so great. So you know, she came into blah blah 0:04:46.836 --> 0:04:53.076 blaham wins. It's all over those tracks. I think that's 0:04:53.116 --> 0:04:55.116 just how I felt then. I just loved the sounds. 0:04:55.156 --> 0:04:56.916 I was going to put them on, you know, I 0:04:57.076 --> 0:05:00.996 just did a master class and I was trying to 0:05:01.076 --> 0:05:05.036 tell them, you know, there's parts the drummer players like 0:05:05.156 --> 0:05:07.996 bump bump dig dig dil. Do you know that's a part. 0:05:08.556 --> 0:05:11.356 And then those pills you know by don blah blam 0:05:12.076 --> 0:05:14.516 blah blah blah blah. Don't you know there is a 0:05:14.596 --> 0:05:17.756 difference to it. They you know, they were They all 0:05:17.836 --> 0:05:20.756 think like it's all fills. Well, no, not really, it's 0:05:20.836 --> 0:05:24.076 part of it. Besides Charlie from the old days. Who 0:05:24.076 --> 0:05:26.476 are the other drummers that you were impressed by? Who 0:05:26.476 --> 0:05:29.676 were the ones he liked? Well, I was impressed by 0:05:30.236 --> 0:05:33.916 a lot of different drummers. But you know how weird 0:05:33.996 --> 0:05:36.796 it may sound. You know, I only have a practice 0:05:36.876 --> 0:05:39.196 once and then I learned how to play. Join in 0:05:39.276 --> 0:05:42.596 bands of Liverpool. We all made the same mistakes and 0:05:42.676 --> 0:05:46.956 got it together. And when I played a record, you know, 0:05:46.996 --> 0:05:50.196 Solomon bit doesn't matter who. I listened to the record 0:05:50.996 --> 0:05:55.116 and it wasn't like listening. The drums were just good 0:05:55.396 --> 0:05:59.756 and uh al Greens, I'm a ram. It's like one 0:05:59.796 --> 0:06:02.996 of those moments in my life. I'm in London in 0:06:03.036 --> 0:06:05.276 an apartment George and I shared, but he was out 0:06:05.276 --> 0:06:08.996 in claus Woman and I were playing records and he goes, 0:06:09.236 --> 0:06:15.316 I'm around it does this crazy? It's like parts of 0:06:15.356 --> 0:06:18.156 it and that sort of helped me. Oh well I 0:06:18.196 --> 0:06:21.036 can make parts now, you know what I mean. That 0:06:21.076 --> 0:06:26.476 blew me away. It's such a simple move that it 0:06:26.636 --> 0:06:28.796 changed my life and my way of drumming just that 0:06:29.076 --> 0:06:33.236 high hats amazing. It's amazing how we hear the things 0:06:33.276 --> 0:06:35.476 that we need to hear at the right time to 0:06:35.516 --> 0:06:38.516 move us on our journey. You know, it's amazing. Yeah, 0:06:38.556 --> 0:06:41.996 I mean, it's like you come on planet. No, it's impossible. 0:06:41.996 --> 0:06:44.596 It just happens. I mean, if it's like the ever 0:06:44.836 --> 0:06:48.876 continuing story of sliding doors, you know, if clouds hadden 0:06:48.916 --> 0:06:51.356 to come over. You know, in this moment, if I 0:06:51.396 --> 0:06:54.676 hadn't a been in or whatever, we'd have had another 0:06:54.756 --> 0:06:58.076 drink and forgot that, you know whatever. But it moved 0:06:58.116 --> 0:07:01.076 me along. I wanted to ask you about you're singing 0:07:01.076 --> 0:07:03.316 on the new EP, because it sounds like you're singing 0:07:03.956 --> 0:07:08.276 better than ever. And thanks coming from you, brother, that's good. No, 0:07:08.436 --> 0:07:10.876 you say it's amazing. You know. I think the more 0:07:10.956 --> 0:07:14.316 you do it, you know what I mean, it's uh. 0:07:14.836 --> 0:07:16.236 You know, I got a lot of help from my 0:07:16.356 --> 0:07:22.596 engineer says, oh, let's do that again. You do a 0:07:22.596 --> 0:07:24.276 cover of Rock around the Clock. And I wanted to 0:07:24.276 --> 0:07:26.236 ask you, do you remember the first time you ever 0:07:26.276 --> 0:07:29.356 heard the song Rock around the Clock like he was yesterday? 0:07:29.676 --> 0:07:33.116 Tell me. Yeah, So I'm in hospital. I have my 0:07:33.156 --> 0:07:37.316 fourteenth birthday in hospital, and we're weeks away from my 0:07:37.476 --> 0:07:40.876 fifteenth birthday and I don't want to be there for 0:07:40.996 --> 0:07:44.596 my fifteenth birthday. And I'm well, now I'm out of bed. 0:07:44.676 --> 0:07:47.556 I'm walking and running. You know, we're playing. I'm fourteen. 0:07:48.156 --> 0:07:50.676 And so my mom and I tried to get me 0:07:50.716 --> 0:07:53.836 out before my birthday and we went to talk to 0:07:53.876 --> 0:07:57.396 the doctors and they checked me in. Anyway, a couple 0:07:57.436 --> 0:08:00.276 of weeks before it was fifteen, they said you can leave. 0:08:00.436 --> 0:08:03.676 You know, I had TB. So we came out. We 0:08:03.716 --> 0:08:06.516 went down to London to my stepdad's family and said 0:08:06.556 --> 0:08:08.796 hi to them, and then we came back. And then 0:08:09.276 --> 0:08:12.716 of weeks later my grandparents who brought me off with 0:08:12.756 --> 0:08:15.916 my mother. We're going to the Isle of Man. That's 0:08:15.956 --> 0:08:20.076 an island just off England. It was like the holiday spot. 0:08:20.156 --> 0:08:23.116 It was like the Florida of the north of England. 0:08:23.516 --> 0:08:26.076 They would go over the guys from the factories and 0:08:26.156 --> 0:08:28.636 that would kiss me quick hats and you know, they 0:08:28.636 --> 0:08:31.716 were the lads anyway, rocking around the clock. The movie 0:08:31.836 --> 0:08:34.956 was playing and I went to see the movie and 0:08:35.036 --> 0:08:39.876 besides Bill Haley blew me Away. They ripped up the cinema. 0:08:40.236 --> 0:08:43.396 They pulled the seats out there with throwing them at 0:08:43.396 --> 0:08:46.756 the screen. They were just rock and roll crazy and 0:08:46.796 --> 0:08:54.036 I thought that's good, and you know, that was probably 0:08:54.076 --> 0:08:57.116 another move moved me to music. But you know the 0:08:57.196 --> 0:09:00.476 thing with Bill Haley was he was always like your dad. 0:09:00.756 --> 0:09:03.396 We were teenaged, young teenage, and he was just like 0:09:03.436 --> 0:09:05.596 your dad. He played rock. He was the only one. 0:09:05.876 --> 0:09:09.716 And the BBC actually played him several times, you know, 0:09:09.756 --> 0:09:13.156 because they played nothing. The BBC was still boring, living 0:09:13.196 --> 0:09:17.116 in the past. But then when Eddie Cochrane, Elvis of course, 0:09:17.156 --> 0:09:20.116 and you know, Buddy, all that crowd came out, it 0:09:20.316 --> 0:09:22.956 was like, all right, that's rock. You know, rock sort 0:09:22.996 --> 0:09:25.036 of came to its place. But we did have a 0:09:25.076 --> 0:09:28.836 lot of incredible sort of blues player. I loved the blues, 0:09:28.876 --> 0:09:31.236 you know, and everyone knows my story with Lightning Hopkins 0:09:31.956 --> 0:09:35.356 and a lot of other players, of course, and the 0:09:35.436 --> 0:09:40.156 country came out, got into that, loved that, and I 0:09:40.236 --> 0:09:42.516 was on the road to music now, you know. And 0:09:42.556 --> 0:09:44.836 I was playing with Liverpool Band. Then I ended up 0:09:44.876 --> 0:09:48.276 with Rory. And while I was with Rory, I mean, 0:09:48.676 --> 0:09:51.076 Brian Epstein knocked on the door. I was a musician. 0:09:51.076 --> 0:09:53.796 We didn't get up till noon bang bang, as the 0:09:53.836 --> 0:09:56.756 Beatles are doing a lunchtime session. Would you you know 0:09:56.796 --> 0:09:59.116 Pete can't make a kid you come down. That's where 0:09:59.116 --> 0:10:03.356 I started playing with them, and then out of the blue, 0:10:03.476 --> 0:10:06.396 we were on this gig for a holiday account. Three 0:10:06.396 --> 0:10:09.476 month gig in those days was incredible and I got 0:10:09.476 --> 0:10:11.556 a phone from Brian, so that moved that on, you 0:10:11.556 --> 0:10:14.236 know what I mean. So just being where you're being 0:10:14.556 --> 0:10:18.596 is it's like there's no explanation really, you can just 0:10:18.596 --> 0:10:22.756 say it happened, you know, meant to be, meant to be. 0:10:23.156 --> 0:10:25.476 You know. The fun part of when I joined the 0:10:25.476 --> 0:10:28.196 Beatles was all the people in Liverpool saying, you're not 0:10:28.316 --> 0:10:34.076 leaving Rory, are you? Because Rory was the biggest band 0:10:34.156 --> 0:10:37.236 at the time. I said, yeah, I'm leaving that front line. 0:10:37.276 --> 0:10:40.836 I love that front line. And that's how it started. 0:10:41.276 --> 0:10:45.036 Did you ever record in the studio prior to being 0:10:45.036 --> 0:10:48.716 in the Beatles. No, we did a demo Rory and 0:10:48.716 --> 0:10:51.916 the Hurricanes did a demo in Germany like the Beatles 0:10:51.916 --> 0:10:56.156 did with Tony Sherton an ascetate And the fun side 0:10:56.156 --> 0:10:59.396 of that was I lost mine somewhere in the shuffle 0:10:59.436 --> 0:11:02.676 of life, so I called Johnny guitar, who was the 0:11:02.716 --> 0:11:05.716 guitarist in Rory's band, And I said, man, you know 0:11:05.756 --> 0:11:07.356 i've lost mine. Would you make me a coffee? And 0:11:07.356 --> 0:11:15.516 he says no, he musn't even make me a coffee. Okay, yeah, 0:11:15.596 --> 0:11:18.196 but that was the only time I've ever been near 0:11:18.236 --> 0:11:21.276 a studio. Was it different playing in the studio than 0:11:21.316 --> 0:11:26.156 playing on stage? Yeah? Why? Well, because you know, I mean, 0:11:26.196 --> 0:11:29.036 I to this day, I love the audience. You know 0:11:29.116 --> 0:11:31.956 they I love the They know that, so they love me. 0:11:32.076 --> 0:11:36.476 We have a love fest. And you know, my mother 0:11:36.756 --> 0:11:40.316 said a thing years before. She said, you know what, Sun, 0:11:41.316 --> 0:11:44.756 you always seem like your happiest when you're playing. You know. 0:11:45.236 --> 0:11:48.156 That was a great line I remembered, and I did. 0:11:48.236 --> 0:11:50.756 I love to play. I'd play now. I mean I 0:11:50.836 --> 0:11:53.516 never practiced, but if you came with a piano or bass, 0:11:53.556 --> 0:11:57.356 didn't matter guitar, I'd sit with you all night. I 0:11:57.396 --> 0:12:00.316 would playing with another person, but not by myself. I 0:12:00.436 --> 0:12:03.676 never liked me bombardon you know, it's like what it's 0:12:03.716 --> 0:12:06.396 not what it's about. Oh, tell me about skiffle music, 0:12:06.436 --> 0:12:09.796 because skiffle music was before all of the music style. 0:12:10.556 --> 0:12:12.996 Piffle music, if you had the instrument you were in 0:12:13.036 --> 0:12:18.116 the band and I had a snare drum, so I 0:12:18.156 --> 0:12:21.196 was in the band. But the band the first bound 0:12:21.276 --> 0:12:24.756 Eddie Clayton Skiffle Group and Lonnie Donaghan and it was like, 0:12:25.276 --> 0:12:27.756 you know, New Orleans house party blues, you know, the 0:12:27.836 --> 0:12:29.516 rock is line as a man of good. What do 0:12:29.596 --> 0:12:32.596 we know about the rock Islam and nothing? But you know, 0:12:32.636 --> 0:12:36.276 we're in Liverpool, but songs like that, you know, and 0:12:36.476 --> 0:12:39.996 hey Lily, Lily, Lily, and you know, the laft was 0:12:40.596 --> 0:12:44.676 you could play anything schiffle in one chord. But anyway, 0:12:44.796 --> 0:12:47.636 next door neighbor and worked in the same factory was 0:12:47.836 --> 0:12:50.716 a guy called Eddie Miles who liked to call himself 0:12:50.836 --> 0:12:54.756 Eddie Clayton. But he was an incredible guitar player. And 0:12:54.876 --> 0:12:57.116 I had my snare drum. And then I had my 0:12:57.196 --> 0:13:00.756 friend Roy in the factory and he took up the 0:13:00.836 --> 0:13:03.956 tea chests, just a tea chest with a you know, 0:13:03.956 --> 0:13:07.636 a broom pole and a piece of string. So he 0:13:07.796 --> 0:13:10.396 turned into the bass place. We were the trio and 0:13:10.516 --> 0:13:13.556 we went around playing skiffle songs, you know, and that's 0:13:13.556 --> 0:13:16.596 how it started. And you know, one of the things 0:13:16.636 --> 0:13:19.916 we did in those days, we'd play weddings. We'd play anywhere. 0:13:20.236 --> 0:13:23.636 We didn't care. And we were playing at this dance 0:13:24.556 --> 0:13:26.556 and people were dancing to us. But we had no 0:13:26.596 --> 0:13:32.396 sense of time. So everythink we get fast, I can 0:13:32.556 --> 0:13:42.636 express and you throw it down he lightly. We'd get 0:13:42.636 --> 0:13:46.716 excited or whatever and anyway, so I learned my lesson 0:13:46.796 --> 0:13:51.676 and I'm a great timekeeper. But at the beginning, you 0:13:51.756 --> 0:13:56.076 don't know, You're just excited. So skiffle music. Skiffle music 0:13:56.156 --> 0:13:59.436 gave us all a chance to play. Yeah, And the 0:13:59.596 --> 0:14:02.916 government didn't know what they were doing when they you know, 0:14:02.956 --> 0:14:04.476 we start the call up. You had to go in 0:14:04.516 --> 0:14:07.436 the army at eighteen. And they came out and made 0:14:07.436 --> 0:14:10.436 an announcements after the wars in the fifties, they said, 0:14:10.476 --> 0:14:13.996 if you were born, I have to November nineteen thirty nine, 0:14:14.076 --> 0:14:18.396 you don't have to come in the army. Great, because 0:14:18.436 --> 0:14:20.956 you know, I was like an apprentice, because if you 0:14:20.996 --> 0:14:24.436 had a job or something could experience, they'd put you 0:14:24.596 --> 0:14:26.316 like on the back bench, you know what I mean. 0:14:26.756 --> 0:14:29.556 But if you were just a working guy, they'd take 0:14:29.636 --> 0:14:33.236 you in the army. So that was like an incredible 0:14:33.356 --> 0:14:36.396 moment because I just thought, okay, no, what eight months 0:14:36.476 --> 0:14:41.996 nine months how you doing, Captain, you know. So anyway, 0:14:42.036 --> 0:14:45.436 that's what happened there. And then we don't think of 0:14:45.476 --> 0:14:48.156 skiffle as a popular music in the US, but it 0:14:48.196 --> 0:14:51.996 sounds like in the UK a huge skiffle music was 0:14:52.636 --> 0:14:56.596 essentially coming. Was it coming from America? The roots of it? Yeah, 0:14:56.636 --> 0:15:00.276 it was America. It's like the blues, you know, we'd 0:15:00.316 --> 0:15:02.316 do a blues song the stone to do a blue 0:15:02.356 --> 0:15:05.356 song and it wasn't really big in America, and then 0:15:05.356 --> 0:15:09.196 everyone got into the blues because we were passing it back. Yeah. 0:15:09.236 --> 0:15:11.836 I was blessed or we were blessed. We lived in 0:15:11.876 --> 0:15:15.276 Liverpool because it was a port, so all the guys, 0:15:15.556 --> 0:15:18.476 you know, the eighteen to twenty pours would go to America. 0:15:18.916 --> 0:15:21.196 You know, it was the merchant Navy. They weren't in 0:15:21.276 --> 0:15:25.236 the Navy, and they'd bring all these records back and 0:15:25.276 --> 0:15:28.636 then they'd spend all the money and getting drunk, and 0:15:28.676 --> 0:15:31.276 then they'd sell their records and we were picking those 0:15:31.356 --> 0:15:34.396 records up. It was incredible, you know, the records we 0:15:34.516 --> 0:15:37.516 had in those days, so that you know, you have 0:15:37.556 --> 0:15:41.036 to thank them. We'll be back after a short break 0:15:41.156 --> 0:15:47.796 with more from Ringo. We're back with more from Rick 0:15:47.876 --> 0:15:52.276 Rubin's conversation with Ringo Star. Besides Rock around the Clock, 0:15:52.356 --> 0:15:54.396 what were the songs when you heard them? A like 0:15:55.116 --> 0:15:59.396 life changing songs from childhood? Well, you know, I'm a 0:15:59.516 --> 0:16:06.676 sentimental fool. Eddie Calvert, Oh my papa. And I was 0:16:06.756 --> 0:16:10.716 blessed with my stepdad because he like big bands. He 0:16:10.876 --> 0:16:15.076 had big band fever in it, like Billy Eckstein and 0:16:15.396 --> 0:16:19.196 you know, Billy Daniels and I just remember the Billy's 0:16:19.236 --> 0:16:22.636 he always played. And he was so great with me 0:16:22.676 --> 0:16:25.196 because I'd be playing whatever I'm playing and he'd said, 0:16:25.356 --> 0:16:28.236 have you heard this? You know, and he'd moved me 0:16:28.276 --> 0:16:30.716 off for Steff And the time he said to me, 0:16:30.756 --> 0:16:33.076 have you heard this? And he never said that ship 0:16:33.236 --> 0:16:35.236 get it off. You just said, hey, have you heard this? 0:16:35.916 --> 0:16:39.596 And he gave me Sarah on and said, whoa wo 0:16:39.916 --> 0:16:44.116 Yeah that was far out now looking back, yes, So 0:16:44.236 --> 0:16:48.196 she changed my life. She doesn't know it. Amazing, amazing 0:16:48.236 --> 0:16:50.956 And I bet I bet other kids in the UK 0:16:51.036 --> 0:16:53.916 weren't hearing that kind of music. They weren't. And Glenn 0:16:53.916 --> 0:16:57.316 Miller and all the big bands of the day, you know, 0:16:57.356 --> 0:16:59.636 at the side stories of this is when we were 0:16:59.676 --> 0:17:03.516 the Beatles and we were opening for Helen Shapiro. She 0:17:03.636 --> 0:17:07.436 had this band. Do you remember the Ted Heath Big Band. 0:17:08.116 --> 0:17:10.196 It was a big band in England at the time, 0:17:10.236 --> 0:17:12.556 the fifties. He was huge. Anyway, They were all like 0:17:12.676 --> 0:17:17.396 his players. But anyway, we were lads and I'm saying, yeah, Hi, 0:17:17.796 --> 0:17:21.436 what are you doing? How old are you? And he'd say, 0:17:21.476 --> 0:17:28.996 like forty forty and you're still playing. We were looking 0:17:28.996 --> 0:17:31.636 at them like these red old guys, but hey, I'm 0:17:31.676 --> 0:17:36.276 way past forty. Did you always imagine playing music young 0:17:36.436 --> 0:17:39.036 and then getting a job. Was that always like how 0:17:39.076 --> 0:17:43.036 you imagine life going? No. I dreamt from when I 0:17:43.076 --> 0:17:46.436 was thirteen in this same hospital. This hospital had a 0:17:46.476 --> 0:17:48.876 lot to do with me because I was laying in 0:17:48.956 --> 0:17:52.476 bed that we had people come around and teach it 0:17:52.556 --> 0:17:54.676 to nits and stuff you can do in bed, and 0:17:54.876 --> 0:17:59.916 had knit and they brought in these maracas and tambourines 0:18:00.076 --> 0:18:04.116 and little drums and like acoustic stuff you can hit 0:18:04.156 --> 0:18:07.956 and shake. And I hit that drum and I wanted 0:18:07.996 --> 0:18:11.476 to be a drummer. Wow. And every time she came back, 0:18:12.076 --> 0:18:13.796 if she didn't give me a drum, I wouldn't play 0:18:13.836 --> 0:18:18.676 in the band. You know. It was like lightning. Lightning 0:18:18.836 --> 0:18:22.316 attacked meats and I wanted to be only from that 0:18:22.516 --> 0:18:24.716 that moment I wanted to be a drummer. And when 0:18:24.716 --> 0:18:26.836 I came out of hospital, I go around the stores. 0:18:27.516 --> 0:18:30.676 There's are quite a few music stores in Liverpool, you know, 0:18:30.716 --> 0:18:33.996 the pretty musical city really and just look at the 0:18:34.076 --> 0:18:39.356 drums and you know God's gift. I mean, my stepdad's 0:18:39.756 --> 0:18:42.716 uncle died. We lived in Liverpool. He went down to 0:18:42.876 --> 0:18:47.516 London outside London, Romford to go to the funeral. Little 0:18:47.556 --> 0:18:50.996 did he know the guy was a drummer. And he 0:18:51.076 --> 0:18:54.756 saw that upstairs they had all these drums and he 0:18:54.796 --> 0:18:57.716 asked the guy's wife, which you sell them to him? 0:18:57.796 --> 0:19:01.196 Could he buy those drums? And he brought me my 0:19:01.276 --> 0:19:04.836 first kit that gave me a snare drum that allowed 0:19:04.836 --> 0:19:08.476 me to join all those early bands. You know, it's 0:19:08.516 --> 0:19:11.556 like magice. Something you said earlier is interesting to me 0:19:11.676 --> 0:19:15.276 that you first heard the song that you covered in 0:19:15.316 --> 0:19:19.396 a movie. It's interesting because we now we think of 0:19:19.836 --> 0:19:21.556 if you hear a song in a movie, it's because 0:19:21.556 --> 0:19:24.036 it's already popular in the world, and now it's in 0:19:24.076 --> 0:19:25.436 a movie. You know, then you get to see it 0:19:25.436 --> 0:19:28.036 in a movie. But it sounds like for you it 0:19:28.156 --> 0:19:30.276 was the opposite where the first time you got to 0:19:30.356 --> 0:19:33.116 hear it was in a movie. Yeah, but you know, 0:19:33.236 --> 0:19:36.876 Bill was huge in that time, and it was rock 0:19:36.916 --> 0:19:40.156 and roll. I mean we'd never heard of it. You know. 0:19:40.676 --> 0:19:44.556 We went from skiffle into rock into soul music really 0:19:45.076 --> 0:19:47.476 and one of the good you know, tell me Steele, 0:19:47.476 --> 0:19:51.316 the English singer from the fifties and sixties. He was 0:19:51.356 --> 0:19:54.276 in the Mansian Navy and he came back and he 0:19:54.476 --> 0:19:56.876 was set as a singer the Two Eyes coffee Bar 0:19:57.036 --> 0:20:00.036 in London and they were saying, well, what do you 0:20:00.076 --> 0:20:03.716 call that music? And he go, I think I'm gonna 0:20:03.716 --> 0:20:08.316 call it rock and roll and all the British press 0:20:09.196 --> 0:20:15.156 he's calling it rock and roll like he invented it. 0:20:15.156 --> 0:20:17.796 It was so fun because there wasn't a lot of 0:20:18.476 --> 0:20:21.916 rock and roll infest in England at the time. You know, 0:20:22.556 --> 0:20:25.796 it's uh, you know, all the family parties I went to, 0:20:25.916 --> 0:20:29.196 it was all music from the forties. Really. Everybody had 0:20:29.236 --> 0:20:33.396 to sing like show tunes, show tunes and stuff like that. Yeah. 0:20:33.476 --> 0:20:37.396 So anyway, you know, my moves came from out of 0:20:37.396 --> 0:20:39.876 the blue and that made me go left or right 0:20:39.996 --> 0:20:44.156 and in my opinion, made the right decisions. Was it 0:20:44.196 --> 0:20:47.436 as much the energy of rock and roll that spoke 0:20:47.436 --> 0:20:49.476 to you first. Was it like, what was it? How 0:20:49.476 --> 0:20:52.316 would you describe the connection having never heard it before, 0:20:52.556 --> 0:20:55.316 never heard it before. I heard Bill Haley and he 0:20:55.436 --> 0:21:00.636 was rocking. But more important, all those teenagers loved rock 0:21:00.676 --> 0:21:04.076 and roll. They'd been into it whereever it was, and 0:21:04.116 --> 0:21:06.916 that their attitude was if we hear rock and roll, 0:21:07.116 --> 0:21:09.916 we rip up the cinema, you know, because they were 0:21:09.996 --> 0:21:12.556 just so excited. I mean, I remember what was that 0:21:12.596 --> 0:21:15.116 first movie Elvis did? And it was like a western 0:21:15.116 --> 0:21:18.836 in a way. They were country boys. He's like this 0:21:18.916 --> 0:21:22.116 big on the screen and we're going on a cinema 0:21:22.196 --> 0:21:27.916 to see Elvis in Liverpool and this big All the 0:21:27.996 --> 0:21:33.156 girls screamed and said, we can't even fucking see him. 0:21:34.436 --> 0:21:36.996 There he comes. They knew he was coming and they 0:21:37.196 --> 0:21:40.036 took off. So we were not the first band to 0:21:40.076 --> 0:21:44.956 be screamed at. Was there a turning point when it 0:21:45.036 --> 0:21:48.156 went from feeling like you were in a band like everybody, 0:21:48.236 --> 0:21:50.516 like the other the other lads that were in bands, 0:21:51.156 --> 0:21:53.676 to where it felt like, Okay, this is really different 0:21:53.756 --> 0:21:57.796 being in this band. In my own way, it's all 0:21:57.836 --> 0:22:02.356 about the band and I my all my moves to 0:22:02.396 --> 0:22:05.396 get in better bands, and as we know where we 0:22:05.476 --> 0:22:09.276 ended up. But anyway, Rory was great because it was 0:22:09.316 --> 0:22:11.636 a show band and we had suits and you know, 0:22:12.076 --> 0:22:15.436 we're dressed off from those days, more like the fifties. 0:22:15.716 --> 0:22:19.676 You know. His big act of craziness at the end 0:22:19.716 --> 0:22:22.356 of the set was he'd be singing some rock number 0:22:22.596 --> 0:22:24.596 and he'd get up. There was always enough right piano 0:22:24.676 --> 0:22:28.156 behind me. A climb on that and jump over my 0:22:28.236 --> 0:22:33.436 head to the fall. But so it was like a 0:22:33.516 --> 0:22:36.756 lot of Rory in the Hurricanes. We had. The Johnny 0:22:36.796 --> 0:22:40.316 guitar was this incredible rhythm guitarist. I loved him and 0:22:40.316 --> 0:22:42.396 he stood there and he played. I was related him 0:22:42.396 --> 0:22:46.036 to Jimmy Andricks. And Rory did his staff and Lou 0:22:46.116 --> 0:22:48.756 had a great voice. He would do mail Man giving 0:22:48.996 --> 0:22:53.796 you know, Buddy Holly's numbers and it really worked. But 0:22:54.196 --> 0:22:58.036 when we ended up in Germany playing the Kaiser Keller 0:22:58.716 --> 0:23:01.236 and the Beatles were playing down the road in the 0:23:01.276 --> 0:23:05.756 band Bikino, living behind the toilets. Then Cosh Media, the 0:23:05.796 --> 0:23:08.196 guy who owned both clubs, decided to put us both 0:23:08.236 --> 0:23:12.916 on the same cloth. That's where I became an huge 0:23:12.996 --> 0:23:16.196 fan of the Beatles. Of that front line. I have 0:23:16.276 --> 0:23:19.956 to say I only love that front line. And where 0:23:19.996 --> 0:23:23.676 we got our strength from, when I think helped us 0:23:23.716 --> 0:23:27.636 become who we are, was between two bands we did 0:23:27.796 --> 0:23:30.836 at the weekend. We did twelve hours between us, and 0:23:30.956 --> 0:23:33.276 you know, you get to know what you're doing and 0:23:33.396 --> 0:23:35.556 you get to play and you get to feel each other, 0:23:35.756 --> 0:23:37.356 you know. And then I went back and played a 0:23:37.396 --> 0:23:40.916 month with Tony Sheridan and you know, that was off. 0:23:42.036 --> 0:23:45.636 It was like the music city Hamburg was great. It's 0:23:45.756 --> 0:23:47.916 very sad now was there a couple of years ago 0:23:47.996 --> 0:23:52.676 with Klaus and it's all gone. But anyway, things change. Yes, 0:23:52.836 --> 0:23:56.116 you know, what did you see in that front line? 0:23:56.276 --> 0:23:58.116 Like when you would go to see them play before 0:23:58.116 --> 0:24:00.596